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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you

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Speaker 2: should know.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Popcorn the snack a dish, And I want

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Speaker 3: to shout out listener Sean O'shullman.

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Speaker 4: He came up with this idea, send it along.

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Speaker 3: And I'm trying to get better about crediting people when

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Speaker 3: they send great ideas that we use.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's that's a great New Year's resolution, Chuck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which reminds me I need to do a pickup

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Speaker 3: for Cliff's notes because I did not credit Mike D

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Speaker 3: of Overland Park, Kansas. Or maybe that'll suffice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it might. Well I have to ask Mike D.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and he'll you know what he'll say.

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Speaker 2: He'll say the mic stance for money and the D

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Speaker 2: is for dime.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Was that exactly what you were going to say?

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Speaker 4: No? But that's that was better? So okay.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we're talking Popcorn Day and Chuck, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot a lot to talk about with popcorn. Who helped

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Speaker 2: us with this?

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Speaker 1: Was it?

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Speaker 2: Anna?

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Speaker 4: This is Anna Green?

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Speaker 2: Very nice? So if you don't know what popcorn is,

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Speaker 2: We'll wait a second. You go ahead and google popcorn

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Speaker 2: and then come back. I'm pretty sure most people know

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Speaker 2: what popcorn is because it's a global sensation. But I

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Speaker 2: have to say I'm quite proud that popcorn is through

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Speaker 2: and through American, and not just the United States version

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Speaker 2: of American, Mexico, Central America, South America, Canada will include Canada.

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Speaker 2: Sure they love it American in that sense. That is

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Speaker 2: popcorn through and through. Even still today, most of the

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Speaker 2: popcorn in the world comes from the Americas.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: And we should talk a little bit about corn because

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Speaker 3: popcorn is just a variety of corn. There are all

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Speaker 3: kinds of varieties of corn, and popcorn is the everta variety.

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Speaker 3: And if you are corn, you have three main things.

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Speaker 4: You have a hull.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they might call it a pair of carp or

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Speaker 3: maybe even the brand. I like calling it the brand

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Speaker 3: the brand, and inside that hole you've got the germ

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Speaker 3: and the endosperm and popcorn specific hull, that outer shell

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Speaker 3: that has that stuff inside of it. That is the

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Speaker 3: main thing that makes it poppable corn. And that's what

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Speaker 3: makes it different than other kinds of corn because popcorn

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Speaker 3: has a really hard, hard outer shell, much harder than

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Speaker 3: other varieties of corn, and inside that hull there's a

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Speaker 3: much higher ratio of hard starch to soft starch.

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Speaker 4: And all that sounds well and good.

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Speaker 3: But a little tidbit I never ever knew until this

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Speaker 3: episode was like, what is making that stuff pop?

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Speaker 4: And it's very simple, right it is.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome. It's a little tiny bit of water. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Apparently anything less than thirteen percent water inside the popcorn

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Speaker 4: I think you mean the hull, yes, you're right, sorry,

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Speaker 4: or the brand as you like to see the bran.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brand to me is like mast It's like one

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Speaker 2: of those homey words. I love it. It's the sweet

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Speaker 2: spot is between thirteen and twenty percent water content inside

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Speaker 2: the brand. And when you heat that, because the brand

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Speaker 2: is non porous, that that steam that gets generated gets

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Speaker 2: trapped inside. Well, as we all know, when steam expands,

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Speaker 2: it really expands, and it expands so much that it blows.

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Speaker 2: It blows the popcorn inside out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that what you're eating, the white styrofoamy deliciousness

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Speaker 3: that you're eating, that is the starch while you're eating

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Speaker 3: that kernel up, I'm sorry, that hole. I guess it's

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Speaker 3: a kernel too, and that water is turning into steam

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Speaker 3: and expanding, the consistency of that starch is changing, becoming

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Speaker 3: more pliable of aka edible, and you're eating that interior

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Speaker 3: starch and you can still you know that that little

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Speaker 3: thing that gets stuck in your teeth, that's the last

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Speaker 3: bit of that hole that has exploded. And like you said, anything,

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Speaker 2: They said, all right, less than thirteen percent.

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Speaker 3: More exactly, that's probably the case. It also could be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something's wrong with that. It ain't right. Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: so you're like, okay, well, why doesn't rice pop suckers?

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Speaker 2: Why doesn't Why isn't wheat pop smart guys? Well, it

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Speaker 2: turns out it's because they have porous holes, so steam

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Speaker 2: inside like it does popcorns. So popcorn is a very unique, darling,

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Speaker 2: peculiar little thing that everybody loves. Yeah, no, don't don't

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Speaker 2: even come at us like you don't love popcorn. Everyone

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Speaker 3: Sorry, agreed, And we're going to get some some young

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Speaker 3: yuckers that are gonna say they hate popcorn.

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Speaker 4: I just don't get it. I don't get it either.

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Speaker 3: There's a guy named Andrew Smith and he's a popcorn

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Speaker 3: aficionado and in popped culture. Pretty great name for something

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Speaker 3: on the internet. He has gone through and shared popcorn

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Speaker 3: varieties that were sold in the early I guess twentieth century,

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Speaker 3: commercially at scale like that. Maybe a couple of varieties were,

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Speaker 3: of locally. But again, it's not branded or anything at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all popcorn. It was just a generic

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Speaker 2: in the mid nineteenth century. Later nineteenth century, the company

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Speaker 2: And there was even a mascot in the eighteen seventies

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Speaker 2: called Kernel Pop Love that one. I couldn't find a

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Speaker 4: No, But that's because I did not look.

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Speaker 2: The same here. And there's actually a popcorn company from

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Speaker 2: called the American Popcorn Company. And they're the people who

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Speaker 2: make jolly Time popcorn. And if you've never made jolly

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Speaker 2: Time popcorn, you should just do it. Just go buy

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Speaker 2: one of those little foil things that has all the

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Speaker 2: as it pops, like the foil expands. It's just such

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, I'm talking about Jiffy pop. Jolly Time comes.

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Speaker 4: In the bangs. Yeah, yeah, still you should try and

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Speaker 4: Jiffy pop I get.

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Speaker 3: I mean, before we go further, I'm curious of how

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Speaker 3: you how do you pop your popcorn?

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't very much. We have like a

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Speaker 2: and then it pop pop pops, but transparent. Well there's

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Speaker 2: a hamster that runs the whole thing. I guess technically

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Speaker 2: it's mechanical energy, but there's like a transparent yellow bowl

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Speaker 2: that keeps it from popping out, and then you just

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Speaker 2: turn it upside down, okay, yeah, and then you have

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Speaker 2: your bowl of popcorn right there.

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Speaker 3: So you got the old school sort of can't you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But weirdly we got it in the last few years.

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Speaker 2: We tried air popping for a while.

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Speaker 4: And that's just like punishment garbage.

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Speaker 3: I use a whirlypop that is the stovetop thing that

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Speaker 4: You need a hamster, I do.

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Speaker 3: Those are like seventy bucks, so you know, not cheap

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Speaker 3: But the whole point is you're cooking it on your

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Speaker 3: stovetop and you're turning it yourself, right, And that's how

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Speaker 3: I like to do it. As the the you know

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Speaker 3: and I just do a little bit of that popcorn

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Speaker 3: salt because I love salt. But that stuff is super

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Speaker 3: salty and goes a long way I saw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. There's a specific kind called Flavacall and

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Speaker 2: for what? Oh flake, that's what a pop popcorn is called.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that?

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Speaker 2: I did not know that. Well at any rate. It's

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Speaker 2: meant to get in every crevice and nook and cranny

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Speaker 2: doesn't take very much of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we don't pop popcorn a lot, like we

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Speaker 3: should do it for every single family movie night because

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Speaker 3: there's really no reason not to. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: Ruby loves it, the family loves it. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: start popping more popcorn. But let's go back.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I'm not quite done. I should say, like, more

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Speaker 2: often than not, it's microwave popcorn that.

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Speaker 4: We Sorry, I'm judging you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all right. I can take it.

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Speaker 4: I just don't like it.

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Speaker 2: What about smart food? I like that stuff too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Bag popcorn that's a whole other game, but a

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Speaker 4: huge industry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Remember it used to be on our what do they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you had to give us smart pop popcorn

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Speaker 2: backstage at our shows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. It's good snack, calorie filling for sure, and cheesy,

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Speaker 3: Let's go back a little bit though, and talk about cultivation,

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Speaker 3: because if you look at you know, indigenous Americans before

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Speaker 3: it was farmed it was in the southwest of the

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Speaker 3: you know, white Europeans, came here, they started farming popcorn

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Speaker 3: in New England was a surprise.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Through most of the nineteenth century that was sort of

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Speaker 3: the center of popcorn, I guess, growing and manufacturing, until

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Speaker 3: eventually it moved to the Midwest in Chicago became the

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Speaker 2: Yes, which explains why Chicago is a caramel corn town.

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Speaker 2: And despite the fact that people in Chicago won't admit it,

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Speaker 3: But most of the popcorn these days that comes for

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Speaker 3: the United States, well not most, but twenty five percent

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Speaker 3: of the popcorn popped in the US is grown in Nebraska,

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Speaker 3: It's it's low in calorie. Like I said, it's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can also get about three grams of protein

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean sixty seven hundred years ago there was popcorn.

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Speaker 3: We just you know, don't know exactly when people started

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Speaker 2: Imagine eating thousand year old funeral burial popcorn. That would

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's probably in some fancy menu somewhere in a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of those underground restaurants for richies where they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where they eat ancient foods and people, yeah, disguised

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Speaker 4: And they called it momo cheetle okay.

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Speaker 3: And there was a seventeenth century missionary rename I'm not

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They called it pens and cola.

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Speaker 4: Cool, that's all I got, good stuff?

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Speaker 2: Uh Yeah, so yes, they were. They were. These guys

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we should probably take a break and come back

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Speaker 2: So euro Americans knew of popcorn long before they started

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Speaker 4: Oh. I never really thought about where that might have

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Speaker 2: I always thought it was the UK, but I was wrong.

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Speaker 3: Well, as far as popcorn goes, they used to make

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Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. Well, that is the first patented

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Speaker 2: Right, So people were like, okay, I can kind of

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Speaker 4: People were buying popcorn because it was always pretty cheap.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so another thing that people put popcorn to use for. Again,

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Speaker 4: Oat or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I have recently used it for is for flour. You

441
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 3: could grind popcorn into flour.

442
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 4: And I have had this pancake popcorn pancake mix in

443
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 4: my house, which is pretty good and way better for

444
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 4: you than pancakes.

445
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's gluten free, right, yeah, and it

446
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 2: is good. You're not just saying that it's pretty up

447
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 2: some money on my god, you're gonna like.

448
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of the company, unfortunately, but

449
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: you could. You can find that out pretty easily.

450
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: I saw a recipe for popcorn bread and I was like, wow,

451
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 2: that sounds interesting. And if you look closely, there's like

452
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: five other types of flour in it. It's popcorn is

453
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: just part of it. Yeah, I'd still eat it if

454
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: somebody else made it, you know.

455
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

456
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: So we finally made it to the twentieth century. And

457
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: the reason the twentieth century became such a big deal

458
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: as far as popcorn goes is because that is when

459
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: movies started to come out At first they were silent movies,

460
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: and then talkies and movie theaters started to open throughout

461
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: the United States, and very quickly people were like, popcorn

462
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 2: and movies go together really well. But it turns out

463
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: the theater owners were the last ones to figure this out.

464
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

465
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: They were like, this stuff is a disaster of a mess.

466
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: It's all over the floor, and it still is, but

467
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: they deal with it because they make a ton of

468
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: money selling it. It was the depression coming along where

469
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: theater owners were like, hey, wait a minute, people don't

470
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 3: have a lot of money right now. Popcorn is very,

471
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: very cheap. It's a very affordable snack. So the people

472
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: were selling popcorn outside at theater that people could bring in,

473
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: much like my mother did in the nineteen eighties and

474
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: the first YEP, and they finally were like, hey, maybe

475
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 3: we could lease lobby space these popcorn vendors and just

476
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: have them sell it in here.

477
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,239
Speaker 4: And then someone was like, wait a minute, we're what

478
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 4: are we doing. We're doing this all wrong.

479
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: We need to pop and sell this popcorn because the

480
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: markup is incredible and we're just losing money. So they started,

481
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 3: you know, it became hand in hand with theaters making

482
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: profits from the concessions largely popcorn.

483
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean like a lot of money off of popcorn.

484
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: There's a well trod story about a theater owner from

485
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: during the depression name R. J. McKenna, who found that

486
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: popcorn was basically keeping his theater afloat. During the depression,

487
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: people didn't really have much money for a movie theater ticket,

488
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: but if they did, they still had money enough for

489
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: popcorn because it was a cheap snack. So R. J.

490
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: McKenna made the very wise is this decision of lowering

491
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: his ticket prices below what he would have made a

492
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: profit on because he made so much money off of

493
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: popcorn in the concession stands. And I think they the

494
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: number that's bandied about is two hundred thousand dollars from

495
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: popcorn alone, which is more than four and a half

496
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: million dollars today. If that's in nineteen thirty six, dollars.

497
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 4: From popcorn big big profits.

498
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. And he said a bit of a tradition,

499
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: as we'll find out that popcorn still big.

500
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 4: Profits, Yeah, big time.

501
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: During World War Two, there were sugar shortages, so sweet

502
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 3: treats were on the wigin I guess, and salty treats rose,

503
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 3: and popcorn was right at the center of that. Apparently,

504
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: Americans were eating three times more popcorn in the nineteen

505
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 3: forties than they ever had before, and also in the

506
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: know the connection to movie theater strengthened during the nineteen forties.

507
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 3: In nineteen forty five, more than half the popcorn people

508
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: eating in the United States was in those movie theaters.

509
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's another really great I want to say

510
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: it's an urban legend, but it actually happened a guy

511
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: named James Vicari or Vickery, who we've talked about before,

512
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: because he was basically the inventor of subliminal advertising, even

513
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: though subliminal advertising isn't really a thing. But the reason

514
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 2: he ties into this is because he supposedly experimented on

515
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: people showing frames interlaced within movies that popped up so

516
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: quickly that you couldn't perceive them, you only perceived them subliminally,

517
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: and they said things like go eat more popcorn, and

518
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: popcorn sales like tripled. Supposedly, even though the whole thing

519
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: was a total fraud and the guy made it up,

520
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: it's still worth mentioning.

521
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 3: If you ask me, he didn't actually even do that,

522
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: he said later that he made all of that up.

523
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 3: He never even did the subliminal advertising.

524
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

525
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: I saw that too.

526
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was just a fraud from top to bottom.

527
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: Prior to the thirties, most of the popcorn was white corn,

528
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: but movie theaters moved to the yellow corn variety and

529
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: it just looked better. It looked buttery, even though it wasn't,

530
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: and people that just became the de facto popcorn that

531
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: you mainly eat here in the United States, is that

532
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: yellow corn. I think by nineteen ninety ten percent of

533
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: commercially soul popcorn was whitecorn.

534
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, do you get buttered popcorn at

535
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: the movies?

536
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: I get popcorn, And the AMC that I go to

537
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: here has the do your own butter. That's not butter,

538
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: by the way, at all. It's buttered flavored oil and stuff.

539
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 3: But I add, you know, when I was a kid,

540
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: I would just drench it in that stuff.

541
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: Now I do not.

542
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: Now I do like that flavor, but I'll just do

543
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: a pretty sparing couple of squirts and shakes.

544
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I never was into it, even as a kid.

545
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: I'd hard to be and I just couldn't get into

546
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: it for some reason. I think because it just it's

547
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: the popcorn. And I don't like popcorn wet.

548
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: I love it, but it's just you can't have it

549
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: drenched in that stuff. Like that's when it's really bad

550
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: for you. It's when you're just like dumping all that

551
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: oil on there. But a little bit I like, and

552
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: I'll shake it up and you get you know, I

553
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: get enough of that flavor just from a dab good.

554
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 2: I respect our differences.

555
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 3: Here's the thing though, with TV coming along, the popcorn

556
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: industry was really really worried that like, oh no, like

557
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: you know, all this popcorn is being eat in movie

558
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: theaters like we're toast because people aren't gonna go to

559
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: the movies anymore because of TV. A. That didn't really happen.

560
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: People still went to the movies back then. But what

561
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: they found out was people loved popping that popcorn at

562
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: home while they watched TV. And you can also have

563
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: popcorn ads on TV, and so people with their televisions

564
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: were eating more popcorn than ever in the nineteen fifties.

565
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know what stuck out to me from

566
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: that that anecdote, Chuck, is like, that's a an example

567
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: of early disruption, right yea, where people are like, oh,

568
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: there's a change, there's a huge sea change in the

569
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: way people do things, So this thing is going to

570
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: totally go away forever, right, And just since the Internet age,

571
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: we found that just doesn't really happen, Like everything from

572
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: bookstores to paper to I don't know, seeing people in person,

573
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: we're all just destined to just go away because they've

574
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: been replaced and it's just not how it goes, which

575
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: I think is kind of neat to understand because it

576
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: makes you a little less fearful of change or technology

577
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: or progress in some ways, I agree, although anyone who's

578
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: listened to the end of the world knows there's plenty

579
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: of technology to be scared of. It's got to be selective.

580
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know there are dents and industries for sure,

581
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: like you know, newspapers and magazines. Some have shuddered, but

582
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: if you believed, you know what the scare tactics, everyone's

583
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: gonna be like, you're never going to hold a newspaper

584
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: again after a certain year.

585
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, newspapers, So that one did take a pretty hard hit,

586
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: but it wasn't necessarily because of the Internet. It was

587
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: because of captains of industry essentially realizing that they could

588
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: capture journalism if they if they defunded local news, and

589
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened. And I don't remember what episode

590
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: it was on. There's this there's a YouTube podcast that

591
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: I love, if you mean introduced it to me or

592
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: me to it, one of the two called doom Scroll.

593
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: It's hosted by a guy named Joshua Ciderella, and he

594
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: has the most interesting guests on who are just they

595
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: just think and talk about their thoughts, and I mean

596
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: like it's it's all rooted in, you know, like academia

597
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: or research or something. They're not just riffing or anything

598
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: like that. But one of them was talking about that

599
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: that capture and what happened to it, and it's just

600
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: so strange to think, like, yeah, local newspapers went away,

601
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: but the effect that that had on democracy and on

602
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: people being informed and just generally caring about stuff that

603
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: was a huge, huge deal.

604
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: Allegedly, did he eat popcorn while they said this stuff?

605
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: No? I don't think he did. No, he drinks like

606
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: Lacroix instead.

607
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: All right, well let's take our second break and we'll

608
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: finish up with popcorn.

609
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 4: Right after this, I want to learn.

610
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: About a terrisort and call it fridactyl. How to take

611
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 5: a pink is gone? That's a little hunt word up, Jerry.

612
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: All Right, So we talked a little bit about innovations

613
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: and how to pop popcorn over the years. That is

614
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 3: still evolving. I feel like every few years there's some

615
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: new sort of weird gadget to pop popcorn with.

616
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: I did not know that, man.

617
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, electricity coming along was a big deal obviously for

618
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: electric popcorn poppers like you have, well, you and your

619
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: electric hamster. That is, they had a drawback though, because

620
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: they were dangerous. The early electric popcorn poppers were like

621
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: fires waiting to happen, essentially. I think in the late

622
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: sixties Consumer Bulletin examined all the most popular ones and

623
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: one of them they determined did not post safety hazards.

624
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one we have.

625
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, from nineteen sixty eight.

626
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: Although the hamster that runs our popcorn popper did come

627
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: with a little fire chiefs hat that he wears.

628
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: It's so cute.

629
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's another interesting thing about popcorn. If you

630
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: kind of track its trajectory, it just keeps evolving with

631
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: new stuff. Like anytime something new comes along that you

632
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: can apply to popcorn. Whether it's movies or TVs or electricity,

633
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: people apply it to popcorn like it's just this little

634
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: thing lurking in the background that's been woven into our

635
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: culture so thoroughly and for so long, you just look

636
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: right past it and then it trips you as you

637
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: walk by, and you suddenly recognize how important popcorn is.

638
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. TV Time was another one.

639
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: We already mentioned jippy pop, but TV Time was it

640
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: was just a packaging innovation where they had like sealed

641
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: popcorn to keep it really fresh, and then also separate

642
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: kind of like fun dip, separate compartments for seasonings and oil.

643
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: So it was kind of an all in one thing.

644
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: So just even little innovations that aren't mechanical, like packaging

645
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: innovations like microwave popcorn. I guess we could get too,

646
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: because that really changed the game.

647
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've talked about this guy plenty of times.

648
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: He was kind of like the Hayflick limit for a

649
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: while and early yeah stuff, you should know. He came

650
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: up a lot. But a guy named Percy Spencer worked

651
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: for the Raytheon Company and he was in charge of

652
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: creating magnetrons. I can't remember what he was doing with them.

653
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: I think they're for like radar or something. And he

654
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: was standing next to one at some point and he

655
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: had a chocolate bar. I'm guessing mister goodbar, that's what

656
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: I've always envisioned, Yeah, in his front pocket, like a

657
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: total nerd, because obviously his shirt was also a short

658
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: sleeve button down shirt, and the mister goodbar melted in

659
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: his pocket and he thought, hmm, that's curious.

660
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: And I was saving this late exactly.

661
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: No, it's just oozy. And then he decided almost immediately

662
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: to see what happens with popcorn, if you could do

663
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: the same thing with popcorn, and he did it.

664
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so like microwaves and popcorn, microwave popcorn grew

665
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: in lockstep from.

666
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 4: The very beginning.

667
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: In fact, he even in his nineteen forty six patent

668
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: for the microwave showed popcorn being popped, so it was

669
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: always sort of tied together. The first commercial microwaves were

670
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: very big and expensive and not really for the home.

671
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: They were more for restaurants.

672
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 3: So once they went to the house, microwave popcorn was

673
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: right there along with it. In nineteen fifty one, a

674
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: gentleman named Orville Redenbacher got to together with a guy

675
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: named Charles Bowman and bought a corn plant in Indiana

676
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: and experimented with different versions of popcorn varieties and landed

677
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 3: on the Red Bow variety, and in nineteen sixty nine

678
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 3: started selling Orvile Reddenbacher branded popcorn. And here's what I

679
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: didn't know. They sold that brand six years later. They

680
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: sold it in nineteen seventy six, Wow, to hunt wessn Foods.

681
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: But he was just the name and face of it,

682
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: So he stayed the name and face of it.

683
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. And I've read bow variety, you said, I

684
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 2: wonder if they named it after his penchant for red

685
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: bow ties, or he started wearing red bow ties because

686
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 2: of the variety.

687
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: I don't think they named the variety, So I bet

688
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: you he started wearing that thing because of that.

689
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: Thank you, CA. He also just said one more thing

690
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: about Orvile Riddenbacher. His Eames lounge chair, you know, the

691
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: one with the ottoman. Yeah, he had one in his

692
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 2: office and I think Nebraska, Omaha or something, and it's

693
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: still out there Orvile red Eames lounge chair from his

694
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: offices out there somewhere in.

695
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 4: The world, like someone owns it.

696
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 2: Yes, I've coveted it ever since I first heard about that.

697
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: Not just a name chair you want Orvile Reddenbocker's Emes chair.

698
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, and I still I don't know why. I've

699
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: never really stepped back and asked myself, but it's it

700
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 2: just got me for some reason.

701
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't be a gen x er and

702
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: not have a soft spot for Orvile Reddenbacker and the

703
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: Bartles and James guys.

704
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: No, yeah, they were great. They were wonderful dudes. They

705
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: were the predecessor of Penn and Teller.

706
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think you're right.

707
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, we talked about microwaves and how microwaves started

708
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: coming to the home, and microwave popcorn came along quickly

709
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: after that. I think nineteen eighty one was when you

710
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: could start buying microwave popcorn. And like I said, it's

711
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: like a global phenomenon. I think I said it. At

712
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: the outset. Everybody knows popcorn, whether you love it or not.

713
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: You know about popcorn, you know where to buy it,

714
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: and there's different tastes around the world, as you might

715
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: i'd imagine, apparently in the United States, the favorite flavors

716
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: of popcorn are salted, buttered, white cheddar, regular cheddar. So

717
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: white Cheddar's finally overtaken regular cheddar. This is a big deal.

718
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 2: And then kettle which is the sweet kind.

719
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 4: I like a kettle corn.

720
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: That's all right. I've never been crazy for it, but

721
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: you know, if somebody put it in my mouth, I

722
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't just spit it out.

723
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try that sometimes, he would have backstage at

724
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: our next live show, I'm just gonna stuff some kettle

725
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: corn in your mouth.

726
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: Do you remember when we were filming a We were

727
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: filming some commercial, I think, and we were eating popcorn

728
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: at the movies for this part of the commercial, and

729
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: we did like one take and then chat. Our friend,

730
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: the director directed the stuff. He's doing a TV show.

731
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 2: He came over. He's like, just one note, don't mash

732
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: a handful of popcorn into your mouth all at once.

733
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: And he goes, that's a note for regular life too.

734
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, And so.

735
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 4: Are you supposed to eat it?

736
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I guess you hold it in

737
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: one hand and then like daintily pluck a few out

738
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: with the other hand. That's what I've seen people do

739
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: in the movies. But I like that, Yeah, I just

740
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: put my hand in a bag of popcorn or a

741
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: bullet popcorn, just shove it into my face as best, like, Okay,

742
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: it's not just me, but yeah, Chad made it seem

743
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: like it.

744
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: Was just me.

745
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: Isn't it a little funny that you ever think about

746
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: that we used to get way more opportunities to do

747
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: that stuff very much earlier in our career.

748
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: Uh yeah. I think also that we've kind of mellowed

749
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: out in our quest or our willingness to do stuff

750
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: like that.

751
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 4: We kind of like we said, yeah, we're kind of like.

752
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: Hey, we're happy podcasting. We tried so many different things

753
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: and it's always just come back to podcasting that I

754
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: think we're just like, yeah, we're happy living this way.

755
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: I mean I am.

756
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: I'm kind of glad now that I'm older and have

757
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: a you know, family at home that did not have

758
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: to travel to do that stuff.

759
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 4: It just seems weird.

760
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: Like earlier on, I felt like TV shows were trying

761
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 3: to get us on to be like talk show guests

762
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 3: or like Toyota do Toyota commercials, Hey come on and

763
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: talk about the housing crisis for the NBC and like

764
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: just nobody asks anymore, and it's.

765
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: It's quite wonderful.

766
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is nice.

767
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it.

768
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: Anyway, if you go around the country, you're gonna get

769
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: some interesting flavors. In Japan, apparently there's a bagged popcorn

770
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: company called Mike that Fred La owns, and they have

771
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: of course, like Yuzu salt or.

772
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 4: Kishu plum popcorn.

773
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: So you're gonna get some some pretty exciting flavors when

774
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: you travel around the world, depending what they like there.

775
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know for a fact it's not pronounced Mike,

776
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: but I failed to ask you me how to pronounce it.

777
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 4: So now what is it?

778
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: Me? K, We'll go with Mike, but it's not Mike.

779
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 4: Well, of course it's not Mike. But I'm an American, so.

780
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you. I just wish I knew how

781
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: to say it, but you probably were right with me.

782
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 4: What else could it be? Me? K? Nike?

783
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: Kind of yeah, mikey? What else? Chuck? Is there anything

784
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: else to say about popcorn? Oh? I know one? Apparently

785
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: people have used popcorn as like a packaging like stuffer.

786
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 4: For packing peanuts.

787
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, packing peanuts, but popcorn instead. Since like the nineteen fifties.

788
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: But the problem is is if you use popcorn, it

789
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: can get kind of gross, especially if you didn't think

790
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: and you popped it in oil and covered it with

791
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: butter before you put it in as a packaging material.

792
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: It'll just get gross. It can attract pests and stuff

793
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: like that. So no one's quite figured it out, but

794
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: I guess a few years back, twenty twenty one, there's

795
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: some German researchers who are like hot on the trail

796
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: of this, using scraps of corn that is like that

797
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: you get off the floor of like a corn flake

798
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: factory that they figured out how to pop and it's

799
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: essentially styrofoam, but it's made of pop corn, And I'm like,

800
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 2: hurry up with this because styrofoam is one of the

801
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: worst things humans produce on this entire planet.

802
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, packing peanuts are a nightmare, they really are.

803
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe.

804
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 3: Popcorn could could help out with that, just a couple

805
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: of things to finish on. It is an eight hundred

806
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: and fifty million dollar industry. I guess in the United

807
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: States alone that bag popcorn, like the smart popping, all

808
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: that stuff combined is about one point five billion, So

809
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: it is it is.

810
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: It's popping.

811
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pop it's popping.

812
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 3: And I'm glad that we held onto the stat because

813
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 3: we kind of teased about movie theaters and how much

814
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: the markup was and how much money they made. The

815
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: popcorn markup in movie theaters is one two hundred and

816
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 3: seventy five percent.

817
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: Totally buy that. That actually seems low.

818
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a money maker because it's just so

819
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: cheap to get and you get that machine that runs forever,

820
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 3: maybe a little maintenance on it, and then the stuff

821
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: goes with it, and then you sell it for a

822
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: gazillion dollars for a bucket. Then you got that butter

823
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: flavored liquid. This snow good.

824
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: If you do like.

825
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: Real butter on your popcorn at home, I encourage that

826
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: because real butter is great. But you got to use

827
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: clarified butter or ghee right because the water and the

828
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: milk solids are removed in those and that's what's going

829
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: to make the popcorn soggy. So if you're just melting

830
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: butter and pouring on your popcorn, you're like, why is

831
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: my popcorn soggy and gross? That's why I use clarified

832
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: butter or clarify your own butter and pour it over

833
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: your popcorn, and it is delicious and not soggy.

834
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 2: Very nice. I think that's it for popcorn.

835
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: Right, I've got nothing else on popcorn. Go forth and

836
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: eat it. It's good and pretty good for you.

837
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and check out that book by Andrew Smith, pop Culture,

838
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: because it's the definitive toe on popcorn.

839
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 4: That's right.

840
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, since we talked about Andrew Smith, it's time obviously

841
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: for listener mail.

842
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: This is from Cecilia S and it's about our music

843
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: bumpers that we've said before, but it always bears repeating.

844
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: They are made by stuff you should know, listeners. They

845
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: always have been. Every single one of them are made

846
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: by listeners and they send them in and it's a

847
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: really cool, like interactive part of the show for the

848
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: listenership guys. In terms of your music bumpers, I love

849
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: how they relate.

850
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: To the episode subject.

851
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: If it's about an eerie subject, the song reflects that

852
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: with an eerie tone, or if it's a somber, sad subject,

853
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: the song reflects that. And there are many other examples.

854
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: This brings to my father, who is a music director

855
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: at the church we belong to growing up. He would

856
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: sometimes fill in when the organist was unavailable, and before

857
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: and after Mass he would softly play hymns but an

858
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: insert a bit of whimsy. For example, at the start

859
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: of baseball season he'd play a little take Me out

860
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: to the ballgame and the style of a hymn, or

861
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 3: during football season the university fight song could be heard

862
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: in the fashion of a solemn liturgical piece. Many other

863
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: instances of his playfulness. He had a big band combo

864
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 3: in college in the nineteen forties and into the seventies,

865
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: and they could sometimes be heard in church.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, love the show.

867
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: You both display such curiosity and knowledge and with wonderful

868
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: wit and sensitivity when needed.

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00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: Thank you to whoever is responsible for the music.

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Speaker 3: It's not often I would say that about a podcast,

871
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: so Cecilia, like we said, those are from the listeners.

872
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Speaker 4: But Jerry, our esteemed third leg of our.

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Speaker 3: Stool, is who ties those so aptly to the subject

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Speaker 3: matter with her own wit and whimsy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry deserves way more credit for that too, because

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's just like, man, you just knocked it out

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Speaker 2: of the park with that pick.

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Speaker 4: Jerry, she does, and we're never like, uh, who Jerry

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Speaker 4: this is a Halloween one, so make sure to use

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Speaker 4: a scary bumper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't do that.

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Speaker 4: We leave it to Jerry, she does her thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, huge, huge, heartfelt thanks. I think I

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Speaker 2: just said thanks, but I really meant thanks to every

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Speaker 2: single person who's ever sent in a music bumper, because

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Speaker 2: that's just such a cool, just little subtle part of

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Speaker 2: the show. Ye, all those different, great little pieces of music.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to everybody who's ever done that. Thank you

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Speaker 2: to everybody who's going to do it in the future,

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Speaker 2: even too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, twelve seconds or less.

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Speaker 2: I think we say sixteen. I thought it was twelve

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Speaker 2: somewhere in that neighborhood. Between twelve and sixteen seconds, how

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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you send in one of those thirty

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Speaker 3: second long ones, you'll hear from me saying this is great,

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Speaker 3: but cut it down and we'll use it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a note for real life too.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you want to get in touch with us,

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Speaker 2: like Cecilia, you can send us an email too. Send

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