Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2: Saren.
Speaker 3: Hey, he's my favorite person who I do this show with?
Speaker 3: Elizabeth Duntan.
Speaker 2: How I'm good, I'm good. Listen. You know what's ridiculous
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 3: Okay? You know about my cinematic favorite route, Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I put emphasis on that my favorite road.
Speaker 3: So it's like it's continental because it's it's it should be.
Speaker 3: It's more than American. This is my love is it's expanding.
Speaker 3: I don't know why. It's much like the Mission Impossible series,
Speaker 3: it's international, Like like, why, Liza, why do I love
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise? Like I've told you before about the running
Speaker 3: I love that. I told you about how he had.
Speaker 2: Like pumps his little arms.
Speaker 3: Yeah run, why did you talk about that? Was you
Speaker 3: talking about that? He has a he had a fame
Speaker 3: that I told you about the knee injury. And if
Speaker 3: it wasn't for the knee injury wrestling, he wouldn't have
Speaker 3: become a multi billion dollar movie star. Yeah. Think of
Speaker 3: all the all those jobs he created because of that
Speaker 3: one knee injury. Well, I've got another thing for you, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: and this is ridiculous. Tom Cruise, my cinematic guy. He's
Speaker 3: a scientologist now, you know, right, But he didn't always
Speaker 3: want to be a scientologist. But he and I have
Speaker 3: a commonality. We both thought about becoming Catholic priests.
Speaker 2: Oh he did, did he?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: And you did? I did.
Speaker 3: I thought about joining the Seminary when I was a Jesuit.
Speaker 3: I was. I thought about it. I was like, I
Speaker 3: could totally be a priest. I could rocket to sit
Speaker 3: there and do like math and like you know, sit
Speaker 3: there in the castle. They're like, you don't do that anymore.
Speaker 3: You can't be a monk. I was like, I can't
Speaker 3: be like like my man Meerson. No, okay, probably could.
Speaker 2: There's probably some monk positions open.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's very few of them, though I think the
Speaker 3: old guys would lock him down. Anyway. My point was
Speaker 3: he got still time, I got knocked off my path.
Speaker 3: You know how Tom Cruise got knocked off his path?
Speaker 2: El Ron Hubbard hit him with a volcano.
Speaker 3: No, he was at the Seminary. He took a step
Speaker 3: further night did he actually getting like he signed up?
Speaker 3: Was at the Seminary. But then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: like his Thomas Cruise just jumped out and He's like,
Speaker 3: I gotta run, and he ran to a bar and
Speaker 3: he got drunk, and he got some drunk with his
Speaker 3: friends that when the priests saw him, they're like, this
Speaker 3: life aid for y'all. And then you got kicked out
Speaker 3: of the seminary and he became Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2: Interesting, So we had all these opportunities to not have Tom.
Speaker 3: Cruise exactly like the guy who invented the saxophone. He
Speaker 3: could not be stopped.
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous, right, that is? You know what else is ridiculous?
Speaker 2: The state of our email inbox? Oh yeah, this is
Speaker 2: ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,
Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and
Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Can I say something up for up Top? Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I normal I would say you damn right, but I
Speaker 3: have to correct myself. I'm gonna use this moment to
Speaker 3: say I said you're my favorite person I do this
Speaker 3: show with, But really I do it with two people,
Speaker 3: you would, producer d I'm sorry, Producer. I didn't mean
Speaker 3: to like step on you. I met co host, but
Speaker 3: my brain goes so quick. I'm like, I do the
Speaker 3: show with mostly I'm at the talking part, but producer,
Speaker 3: do you do the talking? So forgive me.
Speaker 2: You're like, you're my favorite person who talks. That's not me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that I hear in my headset.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if listeners, if you hear a bleep earlier over person,
Speaker 4: is that's what happened.
Speaker 3: So please forget me. Producer.
Speaker 2: You have to be like a parent. I love you
Speaker 2: both equally. Yeah, I know I'm terrible to navigate this.
Speaker 3: I step on myself all the time.
Speaker 2: We always ask people to send us emails. We do,
Speaker 2: and we read those emails. Yes we do, but no
Speaker 2: one answers those emails.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it has a send function.
Speaker 2: No, I think so we broke it. I snapped that
Speaker 2: button off. We do read them, though, and then I
Speaker 2: have proof of that today, do you. I am going
Speaker 2: to go through the mail bag from the last few months.
Speaker 3: You actually brought a bag. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: And this this is from after the point where one
Speaker 2: of our interns, Breakston, accidentally deleted all the messages.
Speaker 3: I remember him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got rid of him so I can name
Speaker 2: names now. He was the worst Breakston. He was like
Speaker 2: a version of that classic Reddit post about that kid Kevin,
Speaker 2: and if you aren't familiar, google Reddit classic Kevin and
Speaker 2: then prepare to laugh so hard.
Speaker 3: You far.
Speaker 2: Right? Oh yeah, yeah this up.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 2: I like his parents didn't know what school he went to,
Speaker 2: and he went to a public school and they tried
Speaker 2: to pay tuition.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Breakston was almost like that. I made a cake
Speaker 2: one time to bring in for everyone here in HQ.
Speaker 2: Do you remember this? I think I do, And I
Speaker 2: put it on the counter in the kitchen and it
Speaker 2: was like, so cute, all these decorations case and Breakston
Speaker 2: put his grubby hands right into it and pulled a
Speaker 2: chunk out of center.
Speaker 3: Yea, he said he want the best part.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then we couldn't We couldn't let him answer
Speaker 2: the phones here because he always said, no, I hate
Speaker 2: that his hands like they'd be like, hello, oh can
Speaker 2: I speak with Dave Coustin. No, I hate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lake Breakston, stop that.
Speaker 2: So we were free of him. And now I've been
Speaker 2: forwarded most of the messages that we were able to recover,
Speaker 2: Thank God, I know. And here we are. So I've
Speaker 2: got some good messages and some good shorties that people
Speaker 2: have suggested. You know, the crimes that are great and ridiculous,
Speaker 2: but they don't have enough information to make a full exive,
Speaker 2: so like I can vamp for time, but not that much.
Speaker 2: So let's start with a message.
Speaker 3: Please.
Speaker 2: This is from Jade in Manchester, UK.
Speaker 3: I know where that is. I know.
Speaker 2: I was just listening to your ice cream van episode
Speaker 2: and it reminded me of a story my father used
Speaker 2: to tell when we were kids in the early nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: Living in Manchester, the local ice cream van was very
Speaker 2: popular with the parents. As well as selling ice cream
Speaker 2: for the kiddies, the ice cream man also had an
Speaker 2: illegal side gig of selling slash renting bootleg movie videos.
Speaker 2: My father told me the ice cream man would be
Speaker 2: one of the first people in line whenever a new
Speaker 2: movie came out at the cinema. He would then record
Speaker 2: the latest blockbuster Ghostbusters Indiana jonesleg make copies and sell
Speaker 2: them out of the van.
Speaker 3: Got bootlegs.
Speaker 2: They were always really dodgy and would have people coughing
Speaker 2: and standing up to to the toilet.
Speaker 3: In them in the crowd.
Speaker 2: It was the cheapest and quickest way for a family
Speaker 2: of five to see a new movie. Years later, my
Speaker 2: father also told me the ice cream man would also
Speaker 2: rent bootleg poorn videos to the dads, but I was
Speaker 2: never told how he got hold of that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, with the camera, what do you know that
Speaker 3: walking back and forth Jade was amazing.
Speaker 2: So bootleg movies, I think they're the best. And to
Speaker 2: buy them from an ice cream from Manchester. Perfect. So
Speaker 2: let's let's stay over on that side of the pond.
Speaker 2: I have a brit who pulled a pretty ridiculous crime.
Speaker 2: And this was recommended to us by Soren r Over
Speaker 2: in the UK. He just said, he said he was
Speaker 2: just from the UK General Ballpark. He didn't give us
Speaker 2: a county or city or what have you, just UK.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Soren, he tipped us off to a guy
Speaker 2: named Michael Fagan, a cursed name if ever there was.
Speaker 2: He was born. Michael Fagan was born in Clerkenwell, London,
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty eight. His dad was a safe cracker,
Speaker 2: like a cracker of safe, not a non dangerous cracker,
Speaker 2: and he.
Speaker 3: Was when he was thirty four MIAs.
Speaker 2: When he was thirty four, Michael broke into a place,
Speaker 2: not just a place, he broke into a palace. A palace,
Speaker 2: oh Buckingham palace, Oh and he did it twice in
Speaker 2: one month. What Yeah, so it check it out. It's
Speaker 2: early nineteen.
Speaker 3: Eighty two, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: And it should be noted that security was pretty tight there,
Speaker 2: or it should have been, because when you think about it,
Speaker 2: we're talking about nineteen eighty two. I've been reading a
Speaker 2: really great book that I was tipped off to by
Speaker 2: a number one badass journalist and all around hilarious and
Speaker 2: brilliant guy, Zach Budrick. Yeah, he's an environmental reporter for
Speaker 2: The Hill. He referenced a book called There Will Be Fire.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Ivory plot to blow up Margaret Thatcher.
Speaker 2: Fantastic book, really lucky. Yeah, I recommend it. I'm loving
Speaker 2: it anyway. So this nineteen eighty two, we're in the
Speaker 2: middle of the troubles the Buckingham Palace. You know, break in.
Speaker 2: You'd think that, like the rest of the country, the
Speaker 2: place would be a little long guard. You think they did, though,
Speaker 2: I mean they had revolving spikes and barbed wire at
Speaker 2: the top of the wall around the outside. Really, that
Speaker 2: doesn't stop Michael. The first time he gained entry by
Speaker 2: shimmying up a drain pipe and popping in a window.
Speaker 3: Okay, how do you get over the fence?
Speaker 2: I don't know. And he poked around for a little bit.
Speaker 2: He had legitimately he had cheese and crackers. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: went and got himself some cheese and crackers. Someone saw
Speaker 2: him and called security and so he hid and was undetected.
Speaker 3: He just broke in and had a snack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just wandered around. He gets away from a snack, yes,
Speaker 2: And he was trying to get out, and he set
Speaker 2: the alarm off and then security thought it was just
Speaker 2: a glitch in the system, so they ignored it. They
Speaker 2: just shut it off. So we wound up hanging out
Speaker 2: a little bit more and then.
Speaker 3: He left, took a little nap.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fast forward a few days, He's hanging out at
Speaker 2: his local Irish pub and it comes on TV that
Speaker 2: the Queen fellow. Yeah, well, Sagan, I know I'm not
Speaker 2: making any guesses. It comes on TV that the Queen
Speaker 2: is staying at Buckingham Palace over the weekend. The flag
Speaker 2: is up over the palace. You can guess how this
Speaker 2: fun fact went down at the pub. Yes, so Michael
Speaker 2: bets these pals that he's drinking with five pounds each
Speaker 2: that he could get into the Queen's bedroom that night.
Speaker 3: Do they know he's done this?
Speaker 2: No, So seven people at the bar and each of
Speaker 2: them gave him five pounds. They're like, you're on, there's
Speaker 2: no kidding. So he gets to Buckingham Palace. He's like, later,
Speaker 2: chaps off he goes. He gets to Buckingham Palace, he
Speaker 2: climbs that twenty foot spiked wall. And this time he
Speaker 2: didn't just get into like the public area of the
Speaker 2: palace where he had done before. He went into the
Speaker 2: area where the royal family actually lived and ate and
Speaker 2: slept and just like lazed about. Wow, he got into
Speaker 2: the royal apartment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to their like chambers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he grabs a bottle of wine, starts strolling around.
Speaker 3: So I went to Prince Andrew's place. Go on.
Speaker 2: So this was said to be the biggest breach of
Speaker 2: security in the modern history of the English world.
Speaker 3: I can't believe that this would be massively embarrassing for them.
Speaker 2: He did the old drain piped a window trick again,
Speaker 2: and then he made it onto the balcony of a
Speaker 2: bedroom and there's there are more than two hundred bedrooms
Speaker 2: in Buckingham House with the Queen. Well, he had a
Speaker 2: one and two hundred chance of selecting a very special bedroom. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he hit the jackpie. He got onto the balcony
Speaker 2: of Queen a in this bedroom. He goes in. Queen's
Speaker 2: asleep and according to him, like she sleeps sitting up
Speaker 2: in a four poster bed.
Speaker 3: Get out of it.
Speaker 2: Her eyes. Her eyes are covered with a sleeping mask,
Speaker 2: so she may have her eyes open like a.
Speaker 3: Horse, Elizabeth. I am still stuck with her sleeping sitting up.
Speaker 2: Maybe she broke her collar bone.
Speaker 3: Okay, but what So he comes in and there's the
Speaker 3: Queen and she's sitting up like.
Speaker 2: With a sleeping mass. Think she was snoring, but probably,
Speaker 2: but she couldn't see who he was. She just hears something.
Speaker 2: She does hear him though, Yeah, So he creeps over
Speaker 2: to the bed and he sits at the end of it.
Speaker 2: She she wakes up. She's like, is that you Philip Way?
Speaker 2: And so he like clears his throat and he does
Speaker 2: this super posh English accent. Uh huh, No, it's me Michael,
Speaker 2: And so she just freaks out.
Speaker 3: She's just like, why put on the name because.
Speaker 2: It's fun and cups So he like she rips off
Speaker 2: hersking was like ah, she's positive as curtains for her.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's got an irishman sitting on the end
Speaker 3: of her bread in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2: He's full of beard. He has love in his heart,
Speaker 2: agape love.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's like a bed warmer.
Speaker 2: He wanted to soothe her soul. He says to her,
Speaker 2: quote relaxed, sister, you don't have to worry. I'm Irish.
Speaker 2: Like at this point she's probably just peeing. Like that's it.
Speaker 2: That is the punchline of the century. So she says,
Speaker 2: what do you want from me?
Speaker 3: Okay, negotiate?
Speaker 2: She says, all I want is a kiss?
Speaker 3: What? Yeah, he wants a kiss from the queen.
Speaker 2: Yikes?
Speaker 3: Why peopleways want to kiss from queen?
Speaker 2: What does she say?
Speaker 3: What did she say?
Speaker 2: Let me tell you in like a thick Brooklyn accent,
Speaker 2: she said, do you know who I am? I'm the
Speaker 2: Queen of England.
Speaker 3: She name checks herself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, p s yeah, I'm the queen. Like
Speaker 2: do you have the right room where you're trying to
Speaker 2: find you.
Speaker 3: Know totally, I I own everything here, you know.
Speaker 2: That right Ann's places down the hall and so he's too.
Speaker 2: He says, quote, I don't care who you are. I'm
Speaker 2: Michael Fagan from Ireland and I'm here for a kiss,
Speaker 2: like if I'm one hundred percent sure I'm about to die.
Speaker 3: Yeah where he's a kind of an Irish poet, like,
Speaker 3: give me a kiss.
Speaker 2: Now He's like, no, kiss a shooter in the post.
Speaker 3: Apocalyptic movie and he's like, oh did the beat?
Speaker 2: So she would say no, and then he'd try to
Speaker 2: convince her, and this went on for a long time.
Speaker 3: Kidding she can't scream or do anything. She's no bell
Speaker 3: to ring.
Speaker 2: Now there is? She She picks up the phone next
Speaker 2: to the bed. Okay, guns, no one answers for answers,
Speaker 2: he gets impatient. He said, quote, for God's sake, woman,
Speaker 2: would you give me a kiss? And then the queen,
Speaker 2: according to him, said quote, I shouldn't even be massaging
Speaker 2: your back, Like wait, what.
Speaker 3: What are you are you making?
Speaker 2: I'm missing something in this that what I was like,
Speaker 2: does the queen insist on bodyworks on someone? She's like,
Speaker 2: I haven't even rubbed your back yet. You think I'm
Speaker 2: gonna kiss you anyway? So Michael he told this story
Speaker 2: when he was arrested, but then he took it all
Speaker 2: back into a twenty twelve interview with The Independent.
Speaker 3: Yes, because of course the Queen's not gonna yeah.
Speaker 2: So he said in that interview that as soon as
Speaker 2: he appeared in the room, she cut out to go
Speaker 2: get help. She called the palace switchboard twice to ask
Speaker 2: for the police, but no one showed up. That part
Speaker 2: it did happen. So she went back to the room,
Speaker 2: used her bedside alarm bell and then no one shows up.
Speaker 3: T which he leaves the bedroom and then comes back.
Speaker 3: God has to come back to the bedroom. She realized
Speaker 3: that's where her alarm is.
Speaker 2: Her like, you know what, I've fallen and I can't
Speaker 2: get yeah, exactly, life alert. So she then runs back
Speaker 2: out in the hall, she sees a maid who's just
Speaker 2: like doo.
Speaker 3: Do do twos. It's like a clapper like clap off.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and so the maid she yells out and the
Speaker 2: maid comes to help her, and the queen and the
Speaker 2: maid usher Michael quote into a nearby pantry on the
Speaker 2: pretext of supplying him with the cigarette. What they're like, well,
Speaker 2: you know what you need to smoke?
Speaker 3: Total, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: I got a case of Benson and hedges the roll. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so let's just go on the pantry. There was
Speaker 2: supposed to be an armed guard outside of her bedroom.
Speaker 3: Door all night long, I would assume.
Speaker 2: But this all happened during a shift change. What, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can have. There was this guy, the dooty footman,
Speaker 2: Paul Wybrew. He was out walking them corgies when this
Speaker 2: all went down. Uh huh, taking him out for a piddle.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He gets back, he sees this whole messoudn't be Yeah,
Speaker 2: runs to help. They're pushing Michael into the pantry, but
Speaker 2: he still wants more time with the queen. So why
Speaker 2: Brew he stalls Michael, He's like, quote all right, but
Speaker 2: let her get dressed first. That's what he tells them.
Speaker 3: They're so British about it.
Speaker 2: And then the footman asked Michael if he wants a drink,
Speaker 2: and Michael says, quote yes, please, I'll have a scotch.
Speaker 3: Like they don't want to embarrass the men, Like I
Speaker 3: don't want to. Let's let's get you a smoke and
Speaker 3: a drink.
Speaker 2: This is how Michael tells it.
Speaker 3: Quote, Wow, nobody's swinging. Nobody's like you don't need to
Speaker 3: get here?
Speaker 2: What oh? He would have been Yeah. In in modern time,
Speaker 2: I don't know anyway. This is how he tells it.
Speaker 2: Quote the footman came and said, cool, right, you look
Speaker 2: like you need to drink. He took me to the
Speaker 2: Queen's pantry across the landing, where I presume she cooks
Speaker 2: her baked beans and toast and whatever, and takes a
Speaker 2: bottle of famous Grouse from the shelf and pours me
Speaker 2: a glass of whiskey.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: I mean, hello, J Yeah, I am, I'm so judging.
Speaker 2: Michael told The Independent that he really needed to find
Speaker 2: a bathroom. You know, he'd had a bunch of paints
Speaker 2: at the at the Puppy's been drinking on that one
Speaker 2: long night. But like he said, everything was poorly marked. Quote.
Speaker 2: I found rooms saying Diana's room, Charles's room. They all
Speaker 2: had names on them. But I couldn't find a door
Speaker 2: which said WC. All I found were some bins with
Speaker 2: quote corky food written on them. I was breaking my
Speaker 2: neck to go to the toilet. What do I do?
Speaker 2: Pee on the carpet? So I had to pee in
Speaker 2: the corky food?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? He's like, I couldn't find an umbrella,
Speaker 3: stand a peon.
Speaker 2: Finally security shows up, then the cops, then more security.
Speaker 2: Michael gets arrested.
Speaker 3: Finally somebody actually shows up like hey, let's get rid
Speaker 3: of the and.
Speaker 2: They gently escored him up. He got sentenced to two
Speaker 2: years in jail, but he only served a few months
Speaker 2: and then they let him out for good behavior. And
Speaker 2: legend has it that the queen sent him a couple
Speaker 2: of letters while he was in prison.
Speaker 3: No, I do not believe that.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's what they said.
Speaker 3: What Yeah, the actual which is amazed.
Speaker 2: So when he got out, you.
Speaker 3: Think that they actually had like a real conversation and
Speaker 3: maybe she was like, you know what, I took your
Speaker 3: advice and I thought about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he influenced all sorts of.
Speaker 3: You know, he's working on trucks, like so maybe like
Speaker 3: they like they were talking about like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: I was working on this, uh you know lander over
Speaker 3: the other day. Maybe they kissed maybe and then yeah,
Speaker 3: and then the maid was like make them kiss.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's Charles's real dad, like you know, a retcon. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So he gets out, he goes back home to dairy
Speaker 2: in Northern Ireland. Years later, he said he didn't regret
Speaker 2: the trespassing.
Speaker 3: I bet not.
Speaker 2: What did he say about this episode in his life?
Speaker 3: I made fifteen pounds.
Speaker 2: It's brought me adversity, but I can laugh about it,
Speaker 2: and that's the main thing.
Speaker 3: So irish, I love that way to go. That's incredible.
Speaker 4: Is this what inspired the now disgraced Morrissey to sing?
Speaker 4: So I broke into the palace with a sponge and
Speaker 4: a rusty spanner and the queen is dead?
Speaker 2: Perhaps?
Speaker 3: I don't wow, deep pull producer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually could be.
Speaker 3: That was like top of mind for me as soon
Speaker 3: as you started. I did not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently this whole episode was depicted in that show
Speaker 2: The Crown, but I don't watch it.
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, I don't watch The Crown. I'm not really
Speaker 3: a royal. My sister loves the Royals shot on Mags,
Speaker 3: but I personally, you know me, it's all osmotic process
Speaker 3: of like, oh, I've heard about this, I've seen that.
Speaker 2: Right right, that's not a great story, Thank you, Soren. Yeah, excellent,
Speaker 2: excellent tip. Let's take a break. I'm gonna go pee
Speaker 2: in the corky food and you get a glass of
Speaker 2: scotch and when we come back.
Speaker 3: Hey, Dave, you want to give me a kiss.
Speaker 2: More from the mail bag. Hello, Saren.
Speaker 3: Done pretty good?
Speaker 2: I'm good. I peed in the corky food.
Speaker 3: You look relaxed that so I was about to say, that's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be my new you know, we had what was it,
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati ice cream truck. My other new euphemism is oh,
Speaker 2: she's been peeing in the corky food.
Speaker 3: Uhbeth.
Speaker 2: I got more listener mail and suggestions. I do need
Speaker 2: to note that if you sent something and we don't
Speaker 2: talk about it today, and that's gonna be a lot
Speaker 2: of people because we get a lot of mail, well,
Speaker 2: please do not have hurt feelings. I just want that
Speaker 2: out there. Yes, Like you know, we never want to
Speaker 2: slight anyone or ignore them. There's a lot to juggle
Speaker 2: and we're not always very good at it, but you know,
Speaker 2: just keep that in mind.
Speaker 3: Whatever. Definitely and definitely deeply appreciate any emails readers. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, completely, you guys are some funny people.
Speaker 2: Here's a note that we got. Hello. First off, thank
Speaker 2: you for the podcast. It's my favorite and always gives
Speaker 2: me an interesting story to tell my sister. Second, I
Speaker 2: have a story on my own. It's not too illegal,
Speaker 2: I think, but hopefully it's still interesting. Before the pandemic,
Speaker 2: my sister, Mom and I visited my grandmother living in Russia.
Speaker 2: We traveled to Moscow and went through a lot of museums,
Speaker 2: one of which was the Diamond Fund, which housed the crowns, scepters,
Speaker 2: and other jewels of the Russian royal families. The only
Speaker 2: thing is traveling in Russia as a foreign tourist is
Speaker 2: a different experience than traveling as a Russian tourist. The
Speaker 2: line ticket tickets to see this museum for regular tourists
Speaker 2: was incredibly long outdoors and not even opened the whole
Speaker 2: business day. My mom read about another ticket office specifically
Speaker 2: for foreigners. We found the spot, which was a nice
Speaker 2: indoor office with plenty of empty room, but we had
Speaker 2: to keep up the foreign act. My sister and I
Speaker 2: speak English natively, so we were instructed to approach and
Speaker 2: ask for tickets for all four of us. The woman
Speaker 2: at the front friendly started this process, and then my
Speaker 2: grandma passed her Russian retirement card as she's used to
Speaker 2: in case that gives her a discount, so the jig
Speaker 2: was up. The woman spoke to my mom in Russian
Speaker 2: with a hushed angry tone. This office is only for foreigners.
Speaker 2: My mom beckoned to us, replying, they're foreigners. You aren't
Speaker 2: going to separate them from us, are you. Meanwhile, I
Speaker 2: stood there trying to look clueless, as if I had
Speaker 2: no idea what they were saying, trying to save the act,
Speaker 2: and thankfully the woman right, the woman sold us the tickets,
Speaker 2: though begrudgingly. I don't think you can really consider this
Speaker 2: a con It wasn't even completely successful, but I sure
Speaker 2: felt like a con artist in the moment. Finally, I
Speaker 2: have a story suggestion. Search up the Morris Worm. It's
Speaker 2: a nineteen eighty eight internet virus that shot off ten
Speaker 2: percent of all computers connected to the Internet, and it
Speaker 2: was all because of an accident. Still, its creator was
Speaker 2: credited as the first person to be convicted under the
Speaker 2: Federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. And that's from Alexia RK.
Speaker 3: No, thank you, Alexia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Alexia, I love a little bit of ticket soft scamming, Like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I support it, I mean, and I really
Speaker 2: love the wall me part of it, like you gotta
Speaker 2: sell the performance. Well done, Alexia. So what's the Morris Worm? Uh?
Speaker 3: It's a actually nineteen eighty eight, Elizabeth, Okay, what is
Speaker 3: the Morris worm?
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, Well, I looked into it, look at me, look
Speaker 2: at me, and I can tell you about it. November two,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight, eight thirty pm. I don't know the times,
Speaker 2: that's it. And so this was in the early days
Speaker 2: of the Internet, as she told us, when it connected
Speaker 2: colleges and or like military and governments systems. This was
Speaker 2: one year before the quote Worldwide Web was invented. So
Speaker 2: at this point, again just government research. So you know that,
Speaker 2: like Massachusetts Institute of Technology MIT sh yes, So computers
Speaker 2: on the network started like seizing up, going black on
Speaker 2: this on this fateful day. Quote, we are currently under attack,
Speaker 2: wrote a concerned student at UC Berkeley in an email
Speaker 2: later that night, very dramatic. Six thousand of the sixty
Speaker 2: thousand computers connected to the Internet at that point were hit.
Speaker 2: Whoa yeah, and this this wasn't a virus. A virus
Speaker 2: needs software to host on a device. This was a
Speaker 2: computer worm and those can just spread on their own,
Speaker 2: which is so gross. So I don't know you asked
Speaker 2: me how.
Speaker 3: I just really wanted to see your face whatever.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. You're like, oh, well, it's I
Speaker 2: don't know. It worms.
Speaker 3: It wormed around mostly and it just works.
Speaker 2: Wah, inch worm, inchworm? How do you do? So it
Speaker 2: wasn't just Berkeley. All the big dogs got hit. I'm
Speaker 2: talking Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Johns Hopkins, NASA, University of Chicago,
Speaker 2: I don't know, and the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, right in your backyard.
Speaker 2: It didn't strike every computer on the network. It only
Speaker 2: hit those that ran a certain version of the is
Speaker 2: it eunix operating because people might be U, N I
Speaker 2: X Y, you don't know. It's okay whatever, eunix. But
Speaker 2: it was still enough to wreck shop and it snuck
Speaker 2: in through an email, and it was designed to stay hidden,
Speaker 2: so it's just worming around. It didn't damage or destroy files.
Speaker 2: It just slowed things down to like molasses speed. And
Speaker 2: keep in mind they didn't have the like supercomputer processing
Speaker 2: levels that sure, yeah, definitely, things were already slow, and
Speaker 2: you know they they didn't have like the mainframes and
Speaker 2: the matrix and the hackathons and whatnot, yes, please talk,
Speaker 2: so nothing would process or send and the U users
Speaker 2: were stumped as to like how to find the thing,
Speaker 2: and remove it. Some some places they just went ahead
Speaker 2: and wiped their systems.
Speaker 3: On the start fresh new computers.
Speaker 2: They're like, control all, delete, boom everything. Others yeah, others
Speaker 2: just unplugged from the network and they're like, we can't
Speaker 2: risk this, and they were offline for a week working.
Speaker 2: It was frustrating, but it was also really expensive. Losses
Speaker 2: started out at like one hundred thousand dollars and then
Speaker 2: went into the millions. Oh really, yeah, I mean because
Speaker 2: no one could sell anything on eBay. It's terrible. So
Speaker 2: there were those who spent every waking hour trying to
Speaker 2: fix it, like, you know, just a lot of coffee,
Speaker 2: a lot of like hunched over a.
Speaker 3: Screen, computer ratchets.
Speaker 2: Everyone wearing like weird earth tones and oatmeal colors. You
Speaker 2: know that there were those who, you know, probably like me,
Speaker 2: who wanted to know who was to blame, who's the purp?
Speaker 2: So right after the worm went live, the purp spoke, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but not publicly and not with identification. The hacker had
Speaker 2: been tinkering with his creation, honing it, like playing around
Speaker 2: and thinking about what a god he would be if
Speaker 2: he were to release this worm. Release the worm, that's
Speaker 2: what he said. And he released it saren, he released
Speaker 2: what happened? Then he felt really really bad. He felt terrible.
Speaker 3: He's like, why did I do this? It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm ashamed.
Speaker 2: I am become death destroyer of worlds. He's just, you know,
Speaker 2: the bag of a gida everywhere. He called two friends.
Speaker 2: He's like, hello, Michelle, guess what And he told him
Speaker 2: what he did. He confessed and he's like, got totally
Speaker 2: out of control. I thought it would be cool and
Speaker 2: now it's not cool. And he asked a friend to
Speaker 2: send an anonymous message across the internet on his behalf,
Speaker 2: telling everyone how sorry he was and explaining how to
Speaker 2: get rid of the program.
Speaker 3: Okay, that'd be the important part.
Speaker 2: Right, here's the problem. No one could get messages on
Speaker 2: the network because it is stupid worm. Right, so they
Speaker 2: couldn't get his stupid message. They could send postcard or
Speaker 2: like they still did telegrams Western Union.
Speaker 3: Yeah they still do today.
Speaker 2: I know, well, Elizabeth, do you know? So? Uh? The
Speaker 2: other friend that he talked to was like, forget this bro.
Speaker 2: He called the New York Times. Wow, he left an
Speaker 2: anonymous tip.
Speaker 3: He didn't even hold out to get paid. Now he's
Speaker 3: just like I was going to get this off my hands.
Speaker 2: I am so enraged with Yeah, he was like this,
Speaker 2: someone needs to put a stop to this.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to call the police. He's like, I'll
Speaker 3: call the Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's like, the police aren't going to understand what I'm talking.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just I'm just position. So he
Speaker 2: told the paper that he knew who built the program.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: And he did explain that the creator didn't mean to
Speaker 2: do harm and that it was just this experiment and
Speaker 2: that it was actually so infectious, not due to the
Speaker 2: guy's ace programming, but because there was an error in
Speaker 2: the programming.
Speaker 3: Replicating he had put.
Speaker 2: Like a zero to put one, and then.
Speaker 3: He couldn't even fix it.
Speaker 2: He could Yeah, He's like, oh no, oops. And so
Speaker 2: the hacker oops his way to infamy.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And when he left the tip, the source referred to
Speaker 2: the worm's author by his initials RTM. Okay, Well, so
Speaker 2: the New York Times was back then full of very
Speaker 2: smart people and.
Speaker 3: Only sixty thousand. We have to check on these.
Speaker 2: Universales, right, So they took the information and they deduced
Speaker 2: that the rogue hacker programmer had to be twenty three
Speaker 2: year old Cornell University graduate student Robert Tappan Morris, Oh
Speaker 2: there it is. Meanwhile, the worms cruising through the internet quickly,
Speaker 2: crashing computers left and right. Everything's freezing, and who is
Speaker 2: this Morris Zarin.
Speaker 3: Do we know that he was intentionally trying to create
Speaker 3: the worm's functions or because you said that it was
Speaker 3: kind of a mistake the functionality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like the respectively, I could create a
Speaker 2: worm that would that would like really like slow everything down.
Speaker 3: On so he intentionally wanted to.
Speaker 2: And then it's as if like I was like, I
Speaker 2: bet I can make like a big firecracker that would
Speaker 2: go off, and then instead of putting like an M
Speaker 2: a D and then like slide a stick of dynamite,
Speaker 2: I bet that's gonna be great. And then oh so
Speaker 2: he this Morris cat right, Harvard graduate in computer science.
Speaker 2: His dad was an early innovator at Bell Labs.
Speaker 3: Oh wow Central.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he grew up surrounded by computers and networking
Speaker 2: in mainframes and database the cybers and whatnot. The matrix.
Speaker 2: Don't forget the matrix.
Speaker 3: It comes later, but yeah, no, it was then.
Speaker 2: At Harvard Morris made a name for himself with his
Speaker 2: text skills. He was like Scooter Computer and mister Chips. Yeah,
Speaker 2: total b b bops, so many bes. And he was
Speaker 2: particularly adept with Unix. And that's a code, and that's
Speaker 2: all I know about it. We're going to just leave
Speaker 2: it lest it's like the O G Hipster code. It's
Speaker 2: the drip coffee of code. I have no idea what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about anyway. So he went to Harvard and
Speaker 2: then he got into grad school at Cornell, future alma
Speaker 2: mater of Andy Bernard, and so he this this right.
Speaker 2: He was known for his technological prowess, especially in Unix.
Speaker 2: And he's you know, so he's waiting for the academic
Speaker 2: year to begin. He did some tinkerings his bored He
Speaker 2: built a program spread slowly and secretly across the Internet.
Speaker 3: How do I make digital cancer?
Speaker 2: I am hoping that, as he was like tep tap
Speaker 2: tap tap on his Amiga computer, that at some point
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that at some point in the process he
Speaker 2: leaned back in his desk chair and did like the
Speaker 2: full throated volume building Villain's lab. Oh yeah, I hope
Speaker 2: he dident.
Speaker 3: Let's se him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he wanted to release his little darling into
Speaker 2: the world, like me, writing inside jokes into my show
Speaker 2: outlines that only Sarah TACIONI will understand that was his.
Speaker 2: It was for him.
Speaker 3: Are me pouring salmon oil into someone's air conditioning of
Speaker 3: their cars?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 3: Like come this summer, this is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2: So Morris is a smart puppy little fella. He didn't
Speaker 2: release the worm from his computer at home or at
Speaker 2: Harvard or at Cornell. He stuck it to those pricks
Speaker 2: at MI T and he hacked into their system and
Speaker 2: sent it from there. So it wasn't that much of
Speaker 2: a mistake. It wasn't that much of a noopsy, doesn't
Speaker 2: at all. He's like, boom, how do you like them apples?
Speaker 3: That bay.
Speaker 2: Of course, the FBI got involved, and of course they
Speaker 2: pretty quickly figured out it was Morris, And so all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's got guys and suits on his doorstep,
Speaker 2: not the Kuza, and more of them are interviewing his friends,
Speaker 2: which they're calling his associates, which they're like, I am cool.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, and they're seizing his computers and
Speaker 2: they're decrypting his files and so so much evidence and
Speaker 2: it's all incriminating. This was a new frontier, this hacking,
Speaker 2: Like what law.
Speaker 3: Had he I did not ask, but did they even
Speaker 3: have laws?
Speaker 2: Because people hadn't even heard the word internet, daren. I
Speaker 2: didn't hear that word until twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if they even come up with like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is like you know, I don't know, trespassing or
Speaker 3: like electronics.
Speaker 2: Check it out. Two years before he unleashed his worm. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Congress passed the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty six. I am not kidding you. They saw so
Speaker 2: many radio shack commercials and they're like this.
Speaker 3: We got to make some staws here.
Speaker 2: So this outlawed unauthorized access to protected computers.
Speaker 3: They watched Rocky Ford, they went nuts, they.
Speaker 2: Welled war games. Yeah, so like gatcha Morris, we got
Speaker 2: a law. He was charged in nineteen eighty nine. In
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety, he was found guilty, and that made him
Speaker 2: the first person convicted under the nineteen eighty six law.
Speaker 3: Ow.
Speaker 2: Interesting didn't do any time.
Speaker 3: No, no, this is like I'm not root form, just surprised.
Speaker 2: He got a fine, probation and four hundred hours of
Speaker 2: community service. Okay, and then I feel like we're at
Speaker 2: the beginning of Sneak at this.
Speaker 3: Point, Yeah, one of your favorite films.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, in my top five. I love that
Speaker 2: movie so much. I think I have to watch it
Speaker 2: again though. But what he did do is wake people
Speaker 2: up to the dangers lurking on the Internet. Right after
Speaker 2: the worm attack the Department of Defense, they created the
Speaker 2: country's first computer emergency Response team, and then developers started
Speaker 2: creating intrusion detection software and so on.
Speaker 3: This was like early MacAfee kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. And then on the dark side of
Speaker 2: the coin, the Morris Worm inspired a new generation of hackers,
Speaker 2: and some say, on a quiet night, you can still
Speaker 2: hear the haunting screams of the worm as it makes
Speaker 2: his way through the tubes and caverns of the digital frontier.
Speaker 3: Is that what that is?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the matrix, brot hear. Let's hear from a listener.
Speaker 2: Let's shift gears a little bit. Do you remember Hondo.
Speaker 2: He's the rude dude who his house got broken into
Speaker 2: and he wanted to remind us all that property crime
Speaker 2: still hurts.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, Yeah, it was a important message.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we were letting him and the other listeners
Speaker 2: know that we totally miserate, and we really only cheer
Speaker 2: on burglars who steal from the violently rich. Yes, and
Speaker 2: every day stuck, every day working folks like you and
Speaker 2: me and Hondo don't deserve these sorts of things. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Hondo reached out again. Here it is. Hey guys, it's
Speaker 2: Hondo again. Thanks for the shout out a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2: It meant a lot. You want to hear something ridiculous.
Speaker 2: While we were cleaning up the mess where the burglars
Speaker 2: broke into the safe, we found a receipt from a
Speaker 2: local supermarket. The receipt is for a scratcher redemption a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks before the break in. It has the date, time,
Speaker 2: store location, even the cashier's name on it. I'm one
Speaker 2: hundred percent sure that the receipt does not belong to
Speaker 2: myself or any of my family. LAPD has done nothing
Speaker 2: with the lead, though, but I thought it was funny
Speaker 2: that the burglar dropped a receipt with all the information
Speaker 2: to get a space on camera and perhaps a license
Speaker 2: plate in the parking lot. I went to the store
Speaker 2: and I asked to see the footage, but the manager
Speaker 2: said they need a police order. Hopefully the detective will
Speaker 2: get off his button do something. But unfortunately this kind
Speaker 2: of crime in LA is not very important to them.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's pretty rampid. I had people break into security.
Speaker 3: I had one of those personal storage units. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: and there's a little like gap at the top of
Speaker 3: the wall, and so it's the person in the in
Speaker 3: the storage unit next to mine broke through the top
Speaker 3: of that and then pulled everything they would squeeze they
Speaker 3: could squeeze through. But it turns out what they could
Speaker 3: squeeze through was like fifteen guitars. Wait, yeah they were
Speaker 3: my guitars there, my cousin guitars. Yeah, well my cousin,
Speaker 3: my cousin SKA bands guitars. But yes, like so he lost,
Speaker 3: like and I went and I contacted the LAPD. I
Speaker 3: showed them all the stuff I had, all these pictures.
Speaker 3: They have all of the cameras down in the self
Speaker 3: storage place and they're like, yeah, man, I don't know
Speaker 3: what to tell you. If you checked the eBay, maybe
Speaker 3: you can get lucky and like what buy some of
Speaker 3: them back, And that was their best advice.
Speaker 2: So frustrating, and it happens so often, like they have.
Speaker 3: The information I feel for you, Hondo.
Speaker 2: I know someone who had their bike stolen and it
Speaker 2: had an air tag on it and you could track
Speaker 2: it to like an apartment building, and they told the cops,
Speaker 2: and the cops were like, I can't really, you know,
Speaker 2: we don't know. They had all these reasons they couldn't
Speaker 2: knock on the door. So the person got a group
Speaker 2: of fools and went down there and taught themselves, which
Speaker 2: is not smart. It depends on who you posse. You
Speaker 2: need at least like three four furries.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I was as close as he could get.
Speaker 3: He was like, you got a Mophead.
Speaker 2: Back to Honda. He continues, Anyway, I heard an interesting
Speaker 2: story recently and thought you guys would do a great
Speaker 2: job of telling it because it's funny. The story of
Speaker 2: Lothar malscat an artist who was supposed to restore medieval
Speaker 2: murals on churches in Nazi Germany. Instead, he had to
Speaker 2: recreate the murals entirely. He made the mistake of leaving
Speaker 2: wild American turkeys done by another artist in a mural,
Speaker 2: and the Nazis said it was proof that the German
Speaker 2: race had discovered the New World first. And after the
Speaker 2: war he wanted credit for faking the Beloved and Beautiful Murals,
Speaker 2: but no one believed him, so he sued himself to
Speaker 2: get the credit. There's much more to the story, involving
Speaker 2: more artists and crime, but I've written a long enough email.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear you guys cover the story. Keep
Speaker 2: up the good work. Thanks. So I am going to
Speaker 2: look into loth Art and if I can't work up
Speaker 2: an entire episode for this cat, then I'm going to
Speaker 2: try and put together some sort of art forger grab bag.
Speaker 2: You know I love art forgers. So thank you for that. Honda.
Speaker 2: One quick email before we take a break. Hi, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: I know you hate the emails, so sorry. So not
Speaker 2: that you would ever watched nine one one, but do
Speaker 2: you think they've gone too far with the cruiseh disaster. Also,
Speaker 2: I finally checked out the website and it's epic. Love
Speaker 2: you guys, Mikayla. I don't even know where to begin
Speaker 2: when talking about the latest season of nine to one one. Mikayla,
Speaker 2: I mean, for real, it's so unhinged and so campy.
Speaker 2: It so there's like the Cruise Ship three parter was nuts,
Speaker 2: nothing made sense, it was pirates, and then it was
Speaker 2: like a lady from an old episode having an affair,
Speaker 2: and then it was a hurricane, and then LA Fire
Speaker 2: Department performed a dangerous sea rescue in international waters. It
Speaker 2: was just so much, and that's why I love the show.
Speaker 2: It's all just too much Eddie causing that store clerk
Speaker 2: to go nuts and impersonate his dead ex wife. I
Speaker 2: just can't. And I've recently been introduced to another show
Speaker 2: full of crimes that I missed the first time around.
Speaker 2: I'm watching it now and I'm currently on i think
Speaker 2: season three, a little show called Scandal. Scandal walked so
Speaker 2: nine to one one could run. Yeah, it's the wildest
Speaker 2: nonsensical telenovela and I can't stop watching it. And apparently
Speaker 2: there are only a dozen people in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: And they're all plotting for and against them with each other.
Speaker 2: Let's pause, MICHAELA. You can take a commercial break two
Speaker 2: and two and all that be right back. This just
Speaker 2: in a bunch of rude dudes. Hepped us to this
Speaker 2: update to one of our most iconic stories. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about Democracy manifest Yes. Yes, it was on October eleventh,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one that the cameras captured a guy protesting
Speaker 2: his innocence from dining and dashing as police escorted him
Speaker 2: from the China Sea restaurant, Iconic, Iconic Australian. He did
Speaker 2: his whole speech about his succulent Chinese meal and someone
Speaker 2: touching his penis and is great, Well, there's been a.
Speaker 3: Reunion between him and the guy who touched him.
Speaker 2: So Jack Carlson was the guy, and the arresting officer
Speaker 2: is a guy named Stole Watt. Stole Watt, Yeah, not
Speaker 2: pole pot, stole stole so like like like.
Speaker 3: A mink stole, like stalls.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, star wars, Yes, in the snow. So those
Speaker 2: two they get together. They went back to that very
Speaker 2: same Brisbane restaurant. Decades later, they enjoyed a succulent Chinese
Speaker 2: meal together.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you know video of that rant has been watched
Speaker 2: millions and millions of times, that has been memed to
Speaker 2: death And this was the first time they spoke since
Speaker 2: becoming viral sensations. Yeah, So the press joined them as
Speaker 2: they sat down and broke noodles together. They said that
Speaker 2: they couldn't believe how notorious and well known the video
Speaker 2: had he come. Jack told ABC News Breakfast that the
Speaker 2: whole skipping out on meals or like paying was stolen
Speaker 2: credit cards? Thing was quote a case of mistaken identity.
Speaker 2: It was no, he said, quote, I was released. I
Speaker 2: wasn't the person they thought I was.
Speaker 3: They went with the shaggy defense, just Australia style.
Speaker 2: It wasn't night and so good, thank you. And then
Speaker 2: the claim that someone you know, like touched on his
Speaker 2: Jenny's that was quote probably made up, according to Jack.
Speaker 3: We all heard it, I know.
Speaker 2: But then Stole he was like quote. Jack has since
Speaker 2: said that he exaggerated that one.
Speaker 3: Oh, so he didn't. The moment he decided to go.
Speaker 2: For it, he gave quite the performance and mc patrick
Speaker 2: reporters asked him the classic question about his acting. What
Speaker 2: was your motivation?
Speaker 3: Did they?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And he said he didn't remember. But what like Stole,
Speaker 2: he's chatting the cops chattier. He's like, quote, I think
Speaker 2: he would have been a great actor. I must say
Speaker 2: Jack would have made a good detective in a different
Speaker 2: line of work.
Speaker 3: Good detective.
Speaker 2: I guess the criteria were, you don't know.
Speaker 3: So the two got a marvelous voice. I could listen
Speaker 3: to it all day.
Speaker 2: He has a presence, So.
Speaker 3: That's not a detective. You're talking about maybe a radio announcer.
Speaker 2: I don't know who's to say anyway, So they get
Speaker 2: together and the reason was to unveil plans for a
Speaker 2: documentary about that fateful day Wow and Jack's troubled life.
Speaker 2: And it's called The Man Who Ate a Succulent Chinese Meal.
Speaker 2: That's the name of the came down a mountain I know, right,
Speaker 2: And it's going to come out early twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: It's going to delve into Jack's troubled past. Before the arrest,
Speaker 2: he said that most of his life since the age
Speaker 2: of seven had been spent in institutions, homes, prisons. He'd
Speaker 2: been a criminal and escape from jail three times. I
Speaker 2: love it going on.
Speaker 3: Good for him.
Speaker 2: An Australian show.
Speaker 3: Told Your Freedom with his motivation, I sense that.
Speaker 2: Exactly, guy, that's his motivation. An Australian show called Earshot
Speaker 2: recently covered his crazy life, including his first escape from
Speaker 2: jail in nineteen sixty six, the Bogo Road jail and
Speaker 2: he jumped in order to escape. He jumped from a
Speaker 2: train on the way to the court hearing. I know
Speaker 2: he'd been busted for breaking and entering, but at the
Speaker 2: restaurant for the press off. Jack said that there's one
Speaker 2: escape that he's quote pretty proud of. Apparently he impersonated
Speaker 2: a detective and walked out of his court cell before trial.
Speaker 2: On another.
Speaker 3: He knows how we walk, how we talk.
Speaker 2: He'd been arrested for he broke into these cars and
Speaker 2: they found all the tools on him total. Anyway, he
Speaker 2: walks right out. He's had a lot of health challenges
Speaker 2: of late, and I think he's come forward in order
Speaker 2: to get some help with fundraisers and such. Yeah. Remember
Speaker 2: there was controversy as to his real identity. There was
Speaker 2: that artist called Jack Kay whose real name was supposed
Speaker 2: to be Cecil George Edwards. Cecil George Edwards. I think
Speaker 2: that's him, but the story's still really muddy. Anyway, that's
Speaker 2: the update. We got a great email from a listener
Speaker 2: named Kit. It begins, I run an out patient's psychiatry practice.
Speaker 2: Someone broke into our office and it was totally ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Close your eyes, oh snaps, eren kid wants you to
Speaker 2: picture it.
Speaker 3: Oh kid, bring it. Eyes are closed.
Speaker 2: It's two am and you are a half eaten Costco
Speaker 2: sized bag of checks picks just hanging out in a
Speaker 2: cabinet with some fellow snackis next to a first aid
Speaker 2: kit in the kitchenette of an office suite shared by
Speaker 2: a group of mental health providers. Suddenly, the piece is
Speaker 2: disturbed by a loud crash. It is the sound of
Speaker 2: someone's smashing down the back door, an emergency exit that
Speaker 2: apparently is not connected to any sort of alarm. For
Speaker 2: the next few minutes, you hear the thieves rummaging around
Speaker 2: each office. Some f bombs are dropped as soon as
Speaker 2: they realize there's literally nothing valuable in any of the
Speaker 2: offices you've been in. Some of them pretty much just couches,
Speaker 2: coffee tables, and inspirational wall art, like the cat dangling
Speaker 2: from a branch with the caption hang in there. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you. One thief yells to the other, I found
Speaker 2: one of those machines that squeeze your arm. The other
Speaker 2: yells back, I saw a projector in the conference room.
Speaker 2: Go grab it. I'm gonna look in the kitchen. You're
Speaker 2: blinded by light as the cabinet door swings open. The
Speaker 2: next thing you know, you're tossed in a sack with
Speaker 2: the first aid kit, a couple kansas soup, a box
Speaker 2: of tissues, the projector, San's power cord, and a blood
Speaker 2: pressure cuff. I am dying, Zaren, and I'm worried that
Speaker 2: Kit is going to steal my jibs.
Speaker 3: Seriously amazing.
Speaker 2: That was so amazing. The email continues. The thing that
Speaker 2: makes this crime even more ridiculous is that one of
Speaker 2: the providers left their office keys on the desk and
Speaker 2: the thieves stole them. I guess they wanted to let
Speaker 2: themselves back in if they got hungry for another can
Speaker 2: of soup. All told, the burglars made off with about
Speaker 2: sixty seven dollars of loot. It cost about fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: dollars to fix the back door. Because the stolen keys
Speaker 2: included the key to the front door of the building.
Speaker 2: We had to change that lock and make a new
Speaker 2: front door key for everyone in the building. Locksmith bill
Speaker 2: twenty six hundred dollars. How's that for ridiculous? Love the show.
Speaker 2: Keep bringing us the hilariously ridiculous Kit.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Kit.
Speaker 2: That was a legend.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you served it up.
Speaker 2: That's totally ridiculous. I'm always blown away by like low
Speaker 2: stakes crimes, and I suppose that's a sign of serious
Speaker 2: desperation or drunken or drunken, but it's still ridiculous and
Speaker 2: it's so frustrating with those repair bills. That's that's the
Speaker 2: unspoken part of time.
Speaker 3: That's the thing I regret most about my adolescent crimes
Speaker 3: is how much damage I did to people who would
Speaker 3: then have to pay for it. I didn't think obviously,
Speaker 3: I didn't think about it at the time. If I'm
Speaker 3: from graffiti to like, hey, let's you know, boat across
Speaker 3: that lake and break into that cabin or whatever we
Speaker 3: came up with as an idea, I regretted people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you maya culpa. I have another update.
Speaker 2: Remember your nuns, not the Belgian ones, but the Texas ones.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fighting the good fight. O fallen in love
Speaker 2: with the priest. So the bishop had accused Mother Girlock
Speaker 2: the mother Superior in Austin. Yeah, she was like sexting
Speaker 2: and drugs. She admitted to breaking her vow of chastity
Speaker 2: on two occasions, but she said that she only spoke
Speaker 2: to the priest by phone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't know.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of heavy breathing. I was not
Speaker 2: in my right mind, she said. Even the nune can fall,
Speaker 2: which like yeah, you're human, get it. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to start in on that. Like, let's just leave it
Speaker 2: lay where Jesus flaying it is, I like to say,
Speaker 2: because I can go on a rant anyway. The bishop
Speaker 2: released photos of Weed inside the monastery that he said
Speaker 2: he got the pictures from a maintenance.
Speaker 3: Her and the is in the photos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the nuns lawyer is like hash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like a little plastic bong like it's
Speaker 3: a terrible novelty from the headshop. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh so she mother girl like she was hospitalized in
Speaker 2: November twenty twenty two for seizures. She's taken pain medication, Like,
Speaker 2: was that medication the good er? Well, it's nobody's business
Speaker 2: but the sisters. She uses a wheelchair and a feeding tube,
Speaker 2: so let's just let the lady do her thing. The
Speaker 2: Vatican initially gave the bishop authority over the nuns as
Speaker 2: part of his land grab to get his grubby paws
Speaker 2: on the monastery. He went to fire Mother girlock nuns
Speaker 2: wouldn't budge. Bishop said he was going to excommunicate him. Okay,
Speaker 2: so the Vatican stepped in, Yes they did, and the
Speaker 2: nuns now have a new boss. Yeah, oversight will now
Speaker 2: belong to the Association of Christ the King in the
Speaker 2: United States of America. Oh and that's the association that
Speaker 2: oversees all Carmelite monasteries, and the Vatican is the one
Speaker 2: that decreed it. So the bishop's out of a picture.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: Nice right, here's a good email. Here we hear, we
Speaker 2: go email. I am a fan of your podcast. I
Speaker 2: started listening recently from the beginning and it's been a
Speaker 2: riot to listen to. I feel like you might get
Speaker 2: a kick out of the shenanigans that have become commonplace
Speaker 2: for my university town. Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario, Canada,
Speaker 2: gained the reputation of a party school in two thousand
Speaker 2: and five when during homecoming celebrations, a car was flipped
Speaker 2: and burned during a large street party.
Speaker 3: Oh down.
Speaker 2: Each year since then has been a spectacle of some sort,
Speaker 2: with twenty sixteen being my absolute favorite, when three people
Speaker 2: were charged after a police horse was slapped the pandemic
Speaker 2: front end or back. You'll find out the pandemic changed
Speaker 2: homecoming in twenty twenty one to a virtual event, so
Speaker 2: faux coming happened on Saint Patrick's Day and caused students
Speaker 2: at a street party to cause a roof to collapse.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's so much more that I'm forgetting, which
Speaker 2: I have no doubt you could hunt down if you're interested.
Speaker 2: Stuff like students swinging from power lines. It's usually pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I was prompted to send this email when I hosted
Speaker 2: a clothing exchange and someone brought a Queen's Homecoming Volunteer
Speaker 2: two thousand and five ball cap, Big Fan, Thanks, Aaron.
Speaker 2: I was intrigued by the horse slapping. Let me fill
Speaker 2: you in. I think I think we all are so
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, like Aaron said, Now, you would usually think
Speaker 2: that I'd be outraged at a crime involving slapping and animals.
Speaker 3: Why I tried to apologize for my laugh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: This one has something I really love in it. Buckle up, FRIENDO. Okay,
Speaker 2: Three people, as she said, were charged after slapping Murnie,
Speaker 2: a Kingston, Ontario police horse, and that during that homecoming celebration,
Speaker 2: Murnie was a new recruit, all bright eyed and silky made.
Speaker 2: In all the present information, the officer riding Murnie is
Speaker 2: referred to as her partner, which I love so much
Speaker 2: it hurts. Oh yeah, so Mernie got slapped the first
Speaker 2: time at two fifty five pm, and then again five
Speaker 2: minutes later, and then a third time around three thirty pm,
Speaker 2: and a woman was detained and then released. At the scene,
Speaker 2: two guys were arrested and they were charged with causing
Speaker 2: injury to a law enforcement animal.
Speaker 3: Oh so they really tried to slap it hard.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. You know how, I love when
Speaker 2: wild animals turn on people who are trying to keep
Speaker 2: them in captivity. Like the lady who had a chimp
Speaker 2: in her suburban home and it ripped her face off.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Do it a good I love it. So the horse here,
Speaker 2: the victim took back some agency. There's a video and
Speaker 2: it's glorious. The woman who was detained to the scene,
Speaker 2: she like runs up behind the horse. But the horse
Speaker 2: is beautiful.
Speaker 3: But I hope she didn't hit the back end.
Speaker 2: Oh, it gives the rump a big old slap. Oh
Speaker 2: she's funny. Now you've been around horses. Yeah, common sense, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this action lacks a sort of common sense. The horse
Speaker 2: does what a horse would and should do. It gives
Speaker 2: old girl a swift backwards kick and sends her tumbling.
Speaker 2: It is a thing of glorious beauty. I have watched
Speaker 2: it so many times. You know how seeing people get
Speaker 2: hurt in videos or in real life gives me those
Speaker 2: shooting pains, mostly my legs.
Speaker 3: Its Yeah huh.
Speaker 2: We still haven't figured out what that's all about. But
Speaker 2: this I felt no pain. Really, I felt power, because
Speaker 2: you know what, the summer of Dark Elizabeth continues.
Speaker 3: It's so fired.
Speaker 2: After the incident and the video showing up on Instagram,
Speaker 2: Constable Steve Coopman told Global News quote, it could have
Speaker 2: been a much worse situation. The animal still kept its composure.
Speaker 2: Luckily the animal didn't bolt and the officer wasn't armed.
Speaker 2: And yeah, bless oh yeah, because just go right open. Okay,
Speaker 2: here's an email that's a little different. Hello, Elizabeth and
Speaker 2: zaren So. I started listening to Ridiculous Crime about a
Speaker 2: year ago, and only started listening from the beginning a
Speaker 2: few months ago. It has come to my attention that
Speaker 2: we know a weird amount about y'all, but have some
Speaker 2: very large gaps missing. Me and a friend I listen
Speaker 2: with have started referring to anything we know about your
Speaker 2: and y'all's lives has since been coined ridiculous crime lore.
Speaker 2: Please enlighten us and fill in a few of my
Speaker 2: blanks by answering some or none or all. Pick your
Speaker 2: poison of my various questions.
Speaker 3: Oh they got real questions?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm going to read you the questions here
Speaker 2: and we'll pick some. Sure, Elizabeth, how did you get
Speaker 2: into podcasting?
Speaker 3: Great question?
Speaker 2: How did y'all meet? It's obvious you knew each other before,
Speaker 2: But for how long and how well? Is there actually
Speaker 2: a wall full of story ideas? Why did you stop
Speaker 2: asking us to confess to ridiculous crimes at the end
Speaker 2: of every episode? Who writes the show credits? What's your
Speaker 2: favorite type of hot sauce?
Speaker 5: Say?
Speaker 2: I was a dog in sunglasses? How would I get
Speaker 2: an intern position? What jobs have you had in the past?
Speaker 2: I know Zaren was a journalist and Elizabeth was a
Speaker 2: teacher and author and for a short time work today's hardware.
Speaker 2: How old are you? Guys? You don't sound old at all,
Speaker 2: but Elizabeth has talked about cassette tapes and it makes
Speaker 2: me wonder, how, Elizabeth, how old is your Goodreads author profile?
Speaker 2: Because I know you now live in California?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 2: If you ever do end up reading this email. Thank
Speaker 2: you for your time, Brent.
Speaker 3: Those are great questions, Brent.
Speaker 2: Those are good I can tell you about I'm locked
Speaker 2: out of my good Reads author profile. They don't believe
Speaker 2: that I'm the author, of course, and they don't let me.
Speaker 2: I do all their little thing of prove it up,
Speaker 2: and they keep saying sorry, it doesn't and I don't
Speaker 2: know what I'm doing wrong.
Speaker 3: That's weird.
Speaker 2: So whatever, I hate good Reads for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 2: Let's see. So is there a wall full of story ideas?
Speaker 3: There is the big boards we called it literally is
Speaker 3: a corkboard too. I have a giant corkboard that I
Speaker 3: maintained for Elizabeth because she doesn't like poking things into
Speaker 3: the corkboards. I'm like, I'll take care of it. So anyway,
Speaker 3: it's a big.
Speaker 2: Board question writing. So I write the cards.
Speaker 3: Much better handwriting. And then Dave's got best taste in
Speaker 3: the stories. So between the three of us we generally
Speaker 3: kind of figure out.
Speaker 2: Some fox cards the index cards. Yes, I'm sorry I
Speaker 2: should describe that subject on it.
Speaker 3: So there has some like mention of either like a
Speaker 3: recommendation from you guys, or possibly just like a three
Speaker 3: word phrase that Elizabeth came up with and like some
Speaker 3: fever dream and then wrote down and the interns like
Speaker 3: gave it to us. We put on the big board.
Speaker 2: So you have some on the here at headquarters, on
Speaker 2: the big board that will never get made.
Speaker 3: Oh, like Nigerian dick theft.
Speaker 2: Nigerian dick theft. It's just fun to have up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we just keep that one up there, like, oh,
Speaker 3: we'll get that there. It is never doing that.
Speaker 2: Why why did we stop asking people to confess to crimes?
Speaker 2: I think it was twofold.
Speaker 3: We didn't want to encourage people to do criminality and
Speaker 3: some of them.
Speaker 2: Are like, that's not really crime. Yeah, it was just
Speaker 2: it just doesn't work it out.
Speaker 3: And sad stories, a lot of sad stories.
Speaker 2: Who writes the show credits? We take turns telling the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Elizabeth writes hers, and I write, Elizabeth, what.
Speaker 2: Is your favorite type of hot sauce?
Speaker 3: Daring, stolen? What's yours? Elizabeth?
Speaker 2: Tiger sauce? I like tiger.
Speaker 3: I think, in all honesty, I'm pretty boring because the
Speaker 3: I still love the taste of mckilney's and everything. I
Speaker 3: just compared to that, So really That is my favorite.
Speaker 3: The Maclanies like the old school tabasco sauce.
Speaker 2: Okay, I walked into the kitchen at headquarters the other
Speaker 2: day and you didn't see me, and I watched you
Speaker 2: grind half a container of pepper onto a sand. Love
Speaker 2: pepper so he gets more pepper?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah no, but I love like. I had to
Speaker 3: learn how to say pimiento when I was traveling in
Speaker 3: Colombia because they don't keep it on the table. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what does this just salt? Just salt? Like, where's my pimiento?
Speaker 2: I stood there in the in the doorway and I
Speaker 2: was like, I hope he doesn't see me. This is creepy.
Speaker 3: It's always in the air. Can smell it in the air.
Speaker 3: When I'm dune. I grind so much pepper.
Speaker 2: It's I've never seen a person eat that much pepper.
Speaker 3: People like, you know, when you go to a place
Speaker 3: where they have like actual pepper grinder and you have
Speaker 3: to ask for it. Now they do always the joke
Speaker 3: with the cheese and there, oh I got to grind
Speaker 3: the cheese. I'm bad for the pepper grinder. But the
Speaker 3: person's like, I didn't know it was going to work
Speaker 3: out today, sir, what about the vinegar peppers? Do you
Speaker 3: like to use that for hot sauce? That's kind of
Speaker 3: my thing for barbecue. You have much better taste than
Speaker 3: I do, do you. Well, it's it depends on what
Speaker 3: I'm eating.
Speaker 4: Like they as has been revealed on the show previously,
Speaker 4: that Red's hot sauce, which comes in a couple of kinds,
Speaker 4: I really like as a kind of all purpose uh
Speaker 4: trulula for Mexican food, sure, and those like you know,
Speaker 4: there's like a bottle, a clear bottle of peppers with
Speaker 4: covered in vinegar, and that's the best for barbecue for sure.
Speaker 2: Definitely the best for barbecue. I agree with that. If
Speaker 2: you're a dog in sunglasses and you want an intern position,
Speaker 2: then you just submit your resume to our head intern Mickey.
Speaker 3: Yes, and we do need a pawprint, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then as far as other interns, don't you don't
Speaker 2: want It's the worst job in the world.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of butts sniffing.
Speaker 2: The aren't the dug So that I have one more message,
Speaker 2: Do we have any other questions?
Speaker 3: Some other ones?
Speaker 2: How did we meet a long time ago?
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you that. Next question, how old.
Speaker 2: Are we a lady?
Speaker 3: Never tell yes? Next question I like skipping.
Speaker 2: What jobs have you had in the past, is Aaron
Speaker 2: you were a journalist?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been a lot of things as a journalist.
Speaker 3: Have been a house spanner. I've delivered kosher pizzas, I've
Speaker 3: delivered Chinese food. I have gone around and tried to
Speaker 3: sell TV shows to people. I've done all sort of
Speaker 3: been an ad man for a while. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff. What about you, Elizabeth?
Speaker 2: You know, drifter, smoker, hobo, nickel collector and saleswoman exactly,
Speaker 2: exactly America's Sweetheart.
Speaker 3: That's lasting title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had that job for a while.
Speaker 3: You're what america sweetheart emeritus?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly a Maratha. How did I get into podcasting?
Speaker 3: The show opened the door and I walked right in.
Speaker 3: That's where we record men.
Speaker 2: I told them. I told them that my name was
Speaker 2: something else. I was like, Hi, my name's Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 2: I'm here for my podcast, and they bought it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then here I am.
Speaker 3: I was I was actually woken up from induced coma,
Speaker 3: and they said, do you know what a podcast is?
Speaker 3: And when I said no, then they gave me.
Speaker 2: One exactly see that's how it works. I think that's it.
Speaker 2: That's all the story. Yeah, that's good on that one.
Speaker 2: So let me give you one last message, Zarah and
Speaker 2: Elizabeth and Dave. I know that no one, not even
Speaker 2: the poor poor interns, will check this email, but I
Speaker 2: have no social media, so this is my only option
Speaker 2: to reach out to you all. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: send a quick thank you message to all of you
Speaker 2: for the wonderful show you all produced. As a physical therapist,
Speaker 2: I spend all day focused on my patients and their
Speaker 2: complex medical, physical, and mental situations. I very much appreciate
Speaker 2: your show as a part of my unwinding and self
Speaker 2: care when I get home. I'm not so sure how
Speaker 2: much my cat's appreciate my snorting laughs, but they perk
Speaker 2: up at your voices. I very much appreciate your contributions
Speaker 2: to the world via Ridiculous Crime. I learned so much,
Speaker 2: laugh heartily, and regain my faith in humanity when I
Speaker 2: listen to you all, and wish y'all were my best friends.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Cc oh we hear this that
Speaker 2: the show is a relief from the garbage around us
Speaker 2: in a way to unwind and like connect with it,
Speaker 2: and I want to say that the feeling is one
Speaker 2: hundred percent mutual.
Speaker 3: We do it for you.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because like the insanity that is ridiculous crime
Speaker 2: keeps us sane. I can't properly explain to you what
Speaker 2: it means to connect with people I've never met like this,
Speaker 2: And like, sometimes I have a tough time of things,
Speaker 2: like we all do, and when I come into headquarters
Speaker 2: and I get to sit with my friends and tell
Speaker 2: stories and escape, it is the greatest feeling in the world.
Speaker 2: And so knowing that that great feeling makes other people
Speaker 2: feel good goly. And I don't usually think of it
Speaker 2: beyond that, right like I think of us we make it.
Speaker 2: But then we hear from listeners who have us in
Speaker 2: their lives twice a week, and it's a little overwhelming,
Speaker 2: you know. And people all over the world in places
Speaker 2: I would only dream of visiting, like I'm looking at you, Cleveland,
Speaker 2: they hear us, and they and they enjoy being part
Speaker 2: of it, you know, And they are there. The listeners
Speaker 2: are totally a part of this. They're part of the conversation.
Speaker 2: So when we get messages like this, my heart gets full.
Speaker 2: And that's something very necessary in this world totally.
Speaker 3: My little grinch heart just grew to twelve sizes. So
Speaker 3: thank you, honestly, I mean it means the world to
Speaker 3: us because we do this for you guys. You know
Speaker 3: obviously there there is you know, iHeart and stuff like
Speaker 3: we have to. We have people going, hey, you guys
Speaker 3: do stuff, but we really do it for you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's all makes it so.
Speaker 3: Happy to come in here and tell stories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that we are all together in this. We're
Speaker 2: totally together, is so, Zaren. What's your ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 3: My ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth, thank you for asking is I
Speaker 3: think we need to tell more stories about crime, evolve,
Speaker 3: living legends who are still around so we can hear updates.
Speaker 3: I like this here and the updates.
Speaker 2: I love the updates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing against like the history ones. I love those two.
Speaker 3: But being able to be able to hear from like
Speaker 3: succulent Chinese meal man is awesome.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what my ridiculous takeaway is. Thank you
Speaker 2: for asking me.
Speaker 3: I didn't really care, but okay, fine, okay, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to take on your callous attitude.
Speaker 2: It feels good, dark Elizabeth. Kids coming from a job
Speaker 2: with her picture or there picture it. That's all I have. Oh, Dave,
Speaker 2: do we have a talk back?
Speaker 3: We sure do? Oh God, I love je. Hi.
Speaker 5: What you guys do is amazing and I think you
Speaker 5: guys couldn't really keep it up.
Speaker 2: I was watching them on your past episode. Reason it
Speaker 2: was really good.
Speaker 5: No, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: That's very nice. I thought there was more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know. Yeah, what a sweet voice, though.
Speaker 2: Dave's like, then she threatened your life, so I cult it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the last half.
Speaker 2: You can find us online at ridiculous Crime dot com.
Speaker 2: We're also at ridiculous Crime on Twitter and Instagram. Obviously.
Speaker 2: You can email us at ridiculous Crime at gmail dot
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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnette,
Speaker 2: produced and edited by Keeper of the Keeper of the
Speaker 2: Emails Dave Kusten, starring annals Rucker as Judith. Research is
Speaker 2: by Slapper of Horse Slappers, Marisa Brown and nineteen eighties
Speaker 2: radio shack hacker Andrea Song Sharp and Tear. The theme
Speaker 2: song is by Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton, two men
Speaker 2: who enjoy a succulent Chinese meal. Post wardrobe is provided
Speaker 2: by Botany five Hun Guest hair and makeup by Sparkleshot
Speaker 2: and mister Andre. Executive producers are Ben. This meeting could
Speaker 2: have been an email Bowlin and Noel. This email could
Speaker 2: have been a rock opera.
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