1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Be around the NFL podcast. Didn't kill their wife, didn't 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: kill my wife. It's the cadence from the Chris Westling 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: podcast studio. It's around the NFL, devoid of context. That's 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: a really strange way to open the show. I'm Dan 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: hansas Uh in a studio filled with some heroes, Greg 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Rosenthal Mark Sessler both innocent of any spouse homicide as well. 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: So we're off to a great start so far, right, 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: so far as at least when it comes to Mark 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: that we know of, Like, there there's a well, there's 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: previous lives. There's there's just set up Mark like a bowling. 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: There's children, presuppose there's children. I thought we saw one 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: the other week, one of your lost daughters or whatever. 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: So who knows what what could have happened. I've been 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: open about my my other daughter. She's out there and 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: she just wants a hug. How is your little birthday? 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: What did I say about my wife? Mark? That's all 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: that That's all that you take away from the birthday 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: celebration is that she survived. It was excellent. Um the 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: wine and cheese? Is it wrong of me to ask 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: the wine and cheese? Excellent? She was very happy with that. 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: We went out to restaurant, We went to the beach 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: and watched the sunset. It was very nice. Did our 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: names come up during your time together, Gregor Marks? Not 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: a single time. Sometimes you gotta disconnect. We've been in 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: the studio a lot. You seem weirdly bothered by it, 26 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: as if like you have special feelings, and its like 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: wondering if Emily was like, I wonder what Mark's doing 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: right now? Kind of my wife. Alright, alright, it is 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: another episode of Around the NFL. Thank you everybody. Uh, 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: we're churning out the content. We hope you're enjoying it. 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: We got another great show coming up today. It's our 32 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: annual check in on Hot butts um and I feel 33 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: like I don't have to give this disclaimer, but some 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: in the football industry get a little uncomfortable even talking 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: about job security. Is if to talk about it on 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: our program like this is to celebrate it, or to 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: not see the human side of the game. We see 38 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: all that, we got it. We are above the tree tops. 39 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: We're just this show is about the reality that six 40 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: to eight head coaches will lose their jobs in the 41 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: first week of January or second week of January. That's 42 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: just the way it is, Greggy, and we're gonna talk 43 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: about which coaches are in the most danger of having 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: that fate. Well, I think some people also are just 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: uncomfortable with with the word butts and then also the 46 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: sound drops that that you play of what it's like 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: for a man's butts to be hot. But I got 48 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: an app point, Well, it is it's a audio you 49 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: know medium, And I think one of the things the 50 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: audience I think enjoys about the show is we kind 51 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: of take them inside the game. But like, do we 52 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: need to get a new actor set of actors every 53 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: year to you know, make these sound drafts. I think 54 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: that's unnecessary. The well, listen, that's that's a fair criticism. 55 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: But the show is what the show is. I loved 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: that an acting gig allowed someone to actually come up 57 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: with that sounded beginning. I mean, that's probably a lower 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: level action. Got to bring the whole oven in. It's 59 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: a whole thing. It's yeah, it's a tough situation, but yes, 60 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: we'll get into that um before we do. By the way, 61 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: how are we We had Mina comes on the show 62 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: this week. There was a lot of buzz on social 63 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: media about the photos she posted, Mark, I know you 64 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: were particularly upset about it. Where are you at emotionally 65 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: after she did put up? I don't think Mina did 66 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: it on purpose, although in a follow up tweet after you, 67 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: I think did. She made a choice what she thought 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: was a better look for her and then kind of 69 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: threw you to the wolves a little bit with your 70 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: blinking shot. All I have to say is that I 71 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: have done that same thing in group photos, right. I 72 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: look for the best version of me, and it's like 73 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: someone if someone else has to get sent down the 74 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: river a little bit. You got, you got a tough move, 75 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: but you gotta do it so I get where she 76 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: I'm not upset with her choice, right, I'm upset that 77 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: the photo was given to her as an option to 78 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: begin with by our producer. Because Sean Kelly has been 79 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: excure extremely talented, good attitude driven individual sitting in today 80 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: for just for grave Digger. I don't understand the thought 81 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: process how that got past your filter. Unless there was 82 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: something malicious on your end, then Sean doesn't have a 83 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: malicious phone in his body. Kelly doesn't, no, no, no 84 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: milicious phone in the body. What exactly happened was I 85 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: was asked to send all the photos that I had 86 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: taken professionally, as you've seen on the Instagram, put up 87 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: the photo in the studio. Yeah, you'll see it. It's 88 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: going to go up. And um, it's really right now 89 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: because I put the camera on me while I'm talking. Obviously, 90 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: well I have you doing that? But no, it's it's 91 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: it's up. And there was three photos taken and one 92 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: of them just happened to have Mark's eyes closed. And 93 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: I had sent all three photos out to Greg and 94 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: Justin and they had sent over to me for a photo. 95 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: So now Greg, so the filter went. It went not 96 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: for I go to the That's not what I'm trying 97 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: to do. But no, this is a good investigation photos 98 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: that just that was a little nugget that we need 99 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: to add to our investigation. This is very important that 100 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: I sent the photos out and they were given to 101 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: mina Um by Greg. This is a water gate level. Well, 102 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: first of all, why is it so important to you Mark? 103 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: Like the sad thing is when we saw this, we 104 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: knew this is gonna ruin Mark's week. This is gonna 105 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: be I do. I will say it turned funny at 106 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: some point to me. But but the process, now that 107 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm hearing about the faulty process, that to me stands 108 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: out cheese. We're at a little post beach camp frozen yogurt. 109 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: Mina asked for the pictures. I asked justin and shot 110 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: into the pic for the pictures. They send them copy paste. 111 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: There you go. I didn't. And it's not like I'm 112 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: examine the photos like you. No one would notice unless 113 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: you actually, like, you know, make you know, make it closer, 114 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: focus in on Mark's face, or they all look the 115 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: same from far away. God forbid we be detailed. And 116 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: I think other thing was Mark had everything else buttoned up. 117 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: If you look at the photo, uh, and you could 118 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: check it out on Mina social you have the cool 119 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: uncle pose with your arms crossed, confidence, everything's there. The 120 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: only thing you had to do at that point was 121 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: not blink. And it it makes me think of Chris Westling, 122 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: our late great friend, who blinked in every picture until 123 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: weirdly he met lakisha Um. And so maybe there's a 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: connection to west Maybe his spirit was in the photo. 125 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: And so if that's the case, then I that I'm 126 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: going to look at it differently. Well, do you remember 127 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: blinking actually during one of Shawn's shots, thinking like that sucked. 128 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: I think they don't use that one. It is funny, though, 129 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: because we send out these you know, photos or pictures 130 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: from our podcast all the time on the around the 131 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: NFL pot you know, twitter feed, and that's great, a 132 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: lot of people follow that. But because Mina was on 133 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: the show, not only did the NFL network with four 134 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: point six million followers retweeted we never got a retweet, 135 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: but the NFL main account with thirty million also retweeted it. 136 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: And so you just they I think the employer is 137 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: telling me what they think of of my overall. I 138 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: think it also tells us, you know, Mina is being 139 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: a little modest about Oh, I only get spotted in 140 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: sports bars. NFL network everyone very thirsty to get the 141 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: Mina photo out there to the mass masses. But I 142 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: guess that's a good look for us as well me 143 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: And it came on our shows. Great guest, great guest, informative, personable, 144 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: the whole thing. Um. All right, before we get into 145 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: our study of coaches on the hot seat, the ones 146 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: with the hot butts buttoxes that are very warm and 147 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: sometimes sizzling and outright melting again, that's just the way 148 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: it is. Greg. I think this is what Greg is 149 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: referring to that maybe some really enjoy it. I'm still 150 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: struggling with the whole idea that we have to make 151 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: it four categories, not five. My mind is racing with 152 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: some of these guys. Let's just touch on. We'll get 153 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: to Todd Bowls later in the conversation. A first year 154 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: head coach with the Bucks, but he is going to 155 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: be without his quarterback Tom Brady for a period of time, 156 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: to the way Bolls put it, to deal with some 157 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: personal things. The Brady absence was discussed in advanced and 158 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: the ideas that he'll return after next week's preseason game 159 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: against the Titans. In August twenties. Here's what Bolls said 160 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: to the media. Tom has been excused today. He will 161 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: be taken anywhere. He'll be back sometime around after Tennessee. 162 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: He's gonna deal with some personal things. This is something 163 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: we talked about before training camp started. We alloted this 164 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: time because he wanted to get in and get chemistry 165 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: with the guys and go through two weeks of training 166 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: camp knowing he wasn't gonna play the first two games. Uh, 167 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: he didn't want to take away reps from Blaine and Uh, 168 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: Kyle and as well as Griff as far as going 169 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: into these next two games, and it's something he needs. 170 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: We trust him. We talked about it. It was like 171 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: it was scheduled way before training camp and he will 172 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: not be here until after Tennessee. There's not a lot 173 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: of variance to his vocal. Asked if the issue was 174 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: health related, Bull said, it's a personally to That's all 175 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: I can tell you. He also added when I asked 176 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: if it would impact the commitment to the team going forward, 177 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: Bull said, per our conversation, I am not worried. No, 178 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: but Mark Greg wasn't worried before the show, so let's 179 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: check in with and I wasn't worried. I just said, 180 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: it's unprecedented, right, I mean, we in our time doing 181 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: this podcast, and from what I can think that there 182 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: isn't a player that leaves training camp for this long. 183 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: It's going to be at least about nine or ten days, 184 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: maybe longer. Context wise, Brady himself is unprecedented. Everything different. 185 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: The only reason why I I wanted to make sure 186 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: it got into the show was just the question uh 187 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: two Bowls about his level of confidence that he'll be 188 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: ready and that he's going to play week one, and 189 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: Bowl said, there's always going to be some doubt, and 190 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: but he has a pretty high level of confidence that 191 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: Brady will start this season open. Just just those words 192 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: being thrown out there, there's no point in speculating what 193 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: this is, uh, or or why speak to me just 194 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: to be safe. He's adding that, you know, back end, 195 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: But I see what you're saying. I don't think so. 196 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: I think if he knew for sure the day that 197 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: Tom Brady was coming back, he would say that and 198 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: whatever it is, obviously hope everything is okay. But just 199 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: just the fact that he said a pretty high level 200 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: of confidence and there's always going to be some doubt. 201 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: It's just just something a monitor. I would note that 202 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: our friend and Rappidport on NFL Network set stressed end 203 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: quotes Tom Brady is fine, calling it more of a 204 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: personal family issue. So I think the you know, there's 205 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: always some doubt that if it is a family issue, 206 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: it could be his extended family his We don't know, uh, 207 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: that it's a situation that is, you know, in midstream 208 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: and and you hope he'd be fine to come back then, 209 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: but there's a chance. I don't think it's Tom Brady 210 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: is sitting at home wondering if he wants to play 211 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: football still, all right, So there it is. That's the 212 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: greatest player of all time. And that's the update of it. 213 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: I think we'll see him in a couple of weeks. 214 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: He'll be ready. He's not on the hot but never 215 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: has been, maybe not since his Michigan days, you know, 216 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: but two thousand one season, certainly there were a lot 217 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: of a lot of Patriots reporters wanting to bring Bledsoe 218 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: back for those playoff games. You know who else is 219 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: hot was? But forget about Brady the kid back then, 220 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick once upon a time had a hot seat 221 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: in New England before that two thousand one proven nothing 222 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: as a head coach. At that when he had not 223 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: proven anything. He was coming off a bad season in 224 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: New England with a you know, not a great roster. 225 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: And then he did beat Bill Parcels in the playoffs 226 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: as the Browns coach. He did prove sometimes and they 227 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: started one in three. Um. But now he's untouchable and 228 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: forever we'll be untouchable. I would imagine until he decides 229 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: to retire. But that just goes to show you, uh, 230 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: this exercise that yes, sometimes these teams would be better 231 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: off having patients, but that's not really how our league operates. 232 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: So we're gonna go through, Um, we're gonna go through 233 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: all the thirty two coaches here, and we're gonna put 234 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: him in categories for the hot butt rankings twenty two. 235 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: Uh safe, first degree burns the buttocks. Second degree it's 236 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: getting a little you know, it's a little touch and 237 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: go put it that way. And then third degree, which 238 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: is danger, danger danger. This is not a good situation. 239 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: And we're going back to seun Kelly filling in for Grave. 240 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: Digger did a nice job, um showing us last year's results. 241 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: He sent us a note with last year's results for 242 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: third third degree burns. Last year, for instance, all three 243 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: of us had Zach Taylor and you may say, oh, oh, idiots, 244 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: dummies then went to the super boat. Well, he needed 245 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: to prove it last year. I have no problem that 246 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: he was on that list. I think you'll understand probably 247 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: where he's gonna be for all three of us, although 248 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: I won't speak for everybody. He's off the list this year, 249 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: but otherwise we've all had Matt Naggy also and Greg 250 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: Wisely at vic Faggio also on third degree burns and 251 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: he got taken out as well. So to get in 252 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: that category, you're in deep trouble. Uh. And we'll see 253 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: who else has uh someone in that category. I really 254 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: appreciate the enthusiasm Sean has for his job, the energy 255 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: that he did this without being asked, especially because it 256 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: makes me look good, you know, I had I was 257 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: the only one that had Joe Judge there in the 258 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: second degree too, so that that was nice. Dan and 259 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: I did have Zimmer in there doing both on that um. 260 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: But I was like, uh, Mark on the tennis court, 261 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: and you guys were like, my kids now know. It's 262 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: a nice performance by you. And although it's not supposed 263 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: to be predictive, so that actually defeats I'm I'm going again, 264 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: that's really predictive. Zach Taylor really did have three third degree. 265 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: We're trying to explain like where things are right now, 266 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: not telling you what. So you're right that a little predictive. 267 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: Like I thought, if Joe Judge has a bad season, 268 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna be in big time. Why did 269 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: we not how did we not have Vic Fongio on 270 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: a hotter seat? Dan that I had a mistirst degree 271 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: as you did. Uh, I don't know. Looking back, I'm 272 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: not sure why. It was a long time ago. I 273 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: can't remember my thought process on that. So do you 274 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: want to um, do you want to go through? Go 275 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: through like the safe list? Maybe I'll read my safest 276 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: here and then you guys tell me if you guys 277 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: all helped build up to third degree. Okay, yeah, let's 278 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: build to that spot. Okay, I think that's it. More 279 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: get hot or don't get colder. So this is this 280 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: is safe, this is Hey, it's a summer, it's August. 281 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: You're gonna sit by the pool. You're gonna pour yourself 282 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: a glass of cold ice coold lemonade. Life skill. That 283 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: was kind of gross. That was awful. Did that get 284 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: your cannot do that? If that's happening again in this episode, 285 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: I'll check you later. Well that triggered the big time. 286 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: I mean if if I him saying if that happens again, 287 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: which which that sounds nice. You know it's that it's 288 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: the swallowing and then the business after what the human 289 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: enjoying himself and feeling relaxed. I don't I want them 290 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: to enjoy themselves. It was the throat process. I don't 291 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna have anybody. We'll see. Let's see. This 292 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: is who I have his safe personally. John Harbaugh, Stop 293 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: me whenever you know, Sean McDermott, Matt ebra Flos, Zach Taylor, 294 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett, Matt Lafleur, Doug Peterson, Andy Reid, Sean McVeigh, 295 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, Bill Belichick, Brian Dable, Mike Tomlin, Kyle Shanahan, 296 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel. Does everyone do we have the same safer? 297 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: Does anybody have one of those figures in a from category? 298 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: I have two of them in separate places, very interesting 299 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: without saying where they are. Who are the two names? Uh, 300 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, which I really I had him safe up 301 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: until the eleventh hour of this process, and then I 302 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: had a strange vibration UM and Kyle Shanahan MHM, and 303 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: I have called Shanahan in a completely separate category. That's 304 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: not part of our exercise that I can explain later. Okay, 305 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: So he's not in first second or see him as 306 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: like a hot butt because he's not a great coach. 307 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: I just sense um Shanahan esque chaos down the road. Well, 308 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: when I had an extra section, he wasn't he wasn't 309 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: one above, But now I combined, and to me, Shanahan 310 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: is is safe because if something's gonna happen there, if 311 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: they had a disappointing season, I truly believe John Lynch 312 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: will be gone and Kyle Shanahan is essentially John Lynch's boss, 313 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: and that he could survive. How I do this exercise 314 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: is like, all right, let's get pretty close the worst 315 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: case scenario. Uh, what's there? Heat? And I think Kyle Shanahan, 316 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: even in a worst case scenario is safe. Can I explain? Then? 317 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: Where where do you want to just explain quickly. I 318 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: have it in my own category category called I Smell Chaos, 319 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be the rare thing 320 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: where if things go poorly and if there is in 321 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: in issues inside the house, that Kyle Shanahan will hop 322 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: scotch to another job. That's what I'm predicting. Within your realm, though, 323 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: where would that fall? Would it fall on? First? Second, 324 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: or third degree? In between in between safe and first? 325 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: Because I think Kyle Shanahan deciding to leave. Not they 326 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: think he's not a good enough and if you will 327 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: do I think he's unsafe. Today he would be in 328 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: the safe category, but I'm telling you, I'm predicting something 329 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: weird happening. He's safe to you, but something could happen 330 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: and he could leave. So I struggled with this one. 331 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: But one of your names I did have in the 332 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: first degree category. Uh. And there aren't many one and 333 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: done in NFL history, So putting Nathaniel Hackett there feels harsh. 334 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: But there is a new owner, and just that alone, 335 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: that alone and the high expectations, I just put him 336 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: in first degree. New owners come in, they like to 337 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: have their own guys. And I'm sure George Peyton and 338 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett feel great. The roster looks great. Russell Wilson's there. 339 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. You know, I'm not always happy with his 340 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: offensive coaches over the year. If for some reason they 341 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: go six and eleven and Russell Wilson doesn't play very 342 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: well and there's a new owner, then I would think 343 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: he would be in some trouble. I like that. And 344 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: and that sound you heard first degree is you're getting 345 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: into a car in a very hot summer day, and 346 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: it's a little sticky, you know, if you especially wearing 347 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: shorts or something. It is not the most comfortable thing. 348 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: But it's also not anything to be alarmed about. It's 349 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: pretty normal everyday occurrences. And so you said so many names. 350 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 1: I think I had one or two that were in 351 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: my safe that weren't in your, like Lovey. Did you 352 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: say Lovey Smith? I did not say love Smith. I 353 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: ultimately don't think they would go one and done two 354 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: times in a room. Weird team that they just sort 355 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: of see a little longer. But maybe I'm yeah, well, 356 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: we'll get that. Do you want what's the best way 357 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: to do this? Should I just go through my first degree? 358 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: Or do you want to go through your first degree? 359 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: Do you remember how we did it last year? Let 360 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: me go through my first degree and then you guys 361 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: again will uh, we'll talk about it. So first degree again. 362 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: It's getting a little sticky in the car in August, 363 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: kind of gross, but you just power through it. Put 364 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: the A C on. If you're lucky, leather seats first 365 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: of all as a problem. But if you're lucky and 366 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: you have air conditioning in the seats. That's a nice, 367 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: very stick. Anyway, I got Cliff Kingsbury coming off the 368 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: contract extension. But you want to talk about chaos. I 369 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on in Arizona and if and 370 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: one thing that I've thought about, um, Greg, you were 371 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: talking about like what you think about worst case scenario. 372 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: I also think about the teams that have high expectations 373 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: or a certain level of expectations. If things crater ownership 374 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: could be like, oh my god, what are we doing here? 375 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: And we've already seen this is the same team that 376 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: fired a coach one and done before Cliff king Barry 377 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: also drafted a quarterback in the first round in the 378 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: top ten picks two years in a row. Could Cliff 379 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: get fired one year into an extension? Probably not. But 380 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: I have been first degree also Arthur Smith, Kevin Stefanski, 381 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, Josh McDaniels, Brandon Staley, Dennis Allen, Nick Sirianni, 382 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: Todd Bowles. In my first degree, many of those were 383 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: in my safe when I combined it down. Ultimately, I 384 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: only had about ten coaches in any sort of trouble first, second, 385 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: or third degree. To me, Sirianni, he's gonna be fine 386 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: even if they even if they did poorly, I think 387 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: they have a real belief in Brandon Staley in Los 388 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: Angeles that would protect him. I also don't think they 389 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: want to pay uh coaching contracts like two years into it, 390 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: so they seemed like a team. I think that would 391 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: avoid that Ebra Flus did you say him? He was 392 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: in your Arthur Arthur Smith? I also have in my 393 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: my safe because I just even though there's a chance 394 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: they might have the number one overall pick, I just 395 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: feel like they made a purposeful rebuild here and are 396 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: just gonna see it through. Okay, well, I'll quickly tell 397 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: you who's in my first degree. I have Pete Carroll 398 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: that that could be also just Pete Carroll decides to 399 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: walk away. But I think that there's a little bit 400 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: of tumult there if this season Brandon Staley just based 401 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: on the fact that you have like the Michael Jordan 402 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks on your your roster, things go poorly, the 403 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan of quarterbacks. I think it's like there's so 404 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: much optimism hope around the Chargers that if they floundered, 405 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: he would be he would be blamed. So that's that's 406 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: the moment Sean that you want to put on the 407 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: social post, just a big like picture of Mark, ideally 408 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: the one from yesterday with his eyes closed, and then 409 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: it just says Justin Herbert is the Michael Jordan of 410 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: Quarters on the social media from Michael Jordan Justin Herbert 411 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: Dominique Jordan's pretty high. Pretty I mean, at least at 412 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: this point, it's a little so Pete Carroll, Brandon Stilley, 413 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel just based on the Dolphins being weird, based 414 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: on the fact that a year from now there will 415 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: be no outrage if they went after Sean Payton again, 416 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a different scene if it didn't go well. 417 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: I think Mike McDaniel is gonna do well though. Uh, 418 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: Frank Reich just be by and when we did our 419 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: slogans mine for them was good but not great Part seven? 420 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: Or is the owner going to be down for part eight? 421 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: If things were really milk toasts there? Um Lovey Smith 422 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: justin that's a weird organization, Arthur Smith. Things went terribly 423 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Dennis Allen m hmm, Dennis Allen is the 424 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: cliff is later on? Yeah, so similar. We have some 425 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: names that that I have higher up. I had that 426 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: Dennis Allen there too, to be He's a really interesting 427 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: first degree because he's a first time head coach with 428 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: the Saints and normally would think there's like this long leash, 429 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: but he kept everyone and it just feels like a 430 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: continuation of the Sean Payton era, whereas you might not 431 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: get the same consideration that everyone gets now. I think 432 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: Dennis Allen is almost a proxy for this entire organization 433 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: that is all trying to keep collecting paychecks. And I 434 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: include Mickey Loomis there. I include that entire coaching staff 435 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: that's been there forever, the personnel group who's done which 436 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: has done a great job. To be fair, Uh, they've 437 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: all been there together, and I think they all want 438 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: to keep collecting those paychecks from the Benson's together. So 439 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of indication Gayle Benson would actually 440 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: pull the plug after one year, but there's high expectations 441 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: and and I think Dennis Allen could could go out. 442 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: I also have Stefanski in my first degree. It's been 443 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: so weird depending on what happens with Watson to change coaches, 444 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: but either way, it's you just can't look at the 445 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: history of Jimmy Hasselman put him like you just can't 446 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: put them anywhere else after a pretty disappointing and then 447 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: I put Robert Sala here, uh as well, I guess 448 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: we'll mention, uh they did signed Dwayne Brown. So on paper, 449 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: the offensive line looks pretty good, the defensive line looks 450 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: pretty good. The roster looks better. I think Joe Douglas 451 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: and Sala will be fine. Um, but worst case scenario 452 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: they win four games again, there there's gonna be they're 453 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: gonna be in some heat. I moved solid from first 454 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: backup to safe just because I don't think that he's 455 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: the issue at all there. I think they love him 456 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: right first. To me is kind of like, we don't 457 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen, but if if it three and four, 458 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: he would be in grave danger, I think, and just 459 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: knowing the Jets history of the last ten years, it 460 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: could happen. But you know, what's important for him is 461 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: that their defense plays well. He's a defensive coach. They 462 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: struggled on defense last year. The roster looks much better. 463 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: I think it's a good looking defensive roster. If they're 464 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: better than average defense, he should be fine. If they're 465 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: they're a bad defensive team again, that ends up being 466 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: in trouble reflects poorly. If Joe Douglas was swept out 467 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 1: and another GM was come to what was brought in 468 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: with powerful and wanted to make changes, that that gets ugly. 469 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: What about Dan Campbell? I had him in first, had 470 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: him safe. Now that's a real rebuild. I mean yeah, 471 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: I'm just how did they only win three games? I 472 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: have this memory that they were in every game? I 473 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: mean they were, Yeah, they were, they got better in um, 474 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: I have them there because there's so many amazing vibes 475 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: around the Lions that you do forget that they won 476 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: only three games. And uh if with higher expectations, what 477 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: if they created again and he put together back to 478 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: back three win seasons, would owners should be cool with that? 479 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: Would the Dan Campbell vibe potentially wear off? First degree 480 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: means I think they'd give the I think they'd give 481 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: the third year. That's generally the idea that you get 482 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: three years and then after three, if you haven't made 483 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: the playoffs after three, you generally are fired. I mean 484 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: that's it's almost like an NFL rule. But I put 485 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: him similar to Levy, where it's like if you win 486 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: five or six games, everyone's gonna be okay with that. 487 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: That's at least my my view of it. And uh 488 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: I had Sirianni there only because Greg, They're expectations are 489 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: pretty high and if for whatever reason things went to hell, 490 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: maybe he would be on the chopping block. But if 491 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're I don't know if you 492 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: missed Wednesday's show, but that was my number two overall 493 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: pick over Eagles nine and a half. Go to the bank, 494 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: lock it up. The rainmaker arrived early. I don't know 495 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: where was the rainmaker on Wednesday. Greg, it's got to 496 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: build your brand. I don't I don't want my brand 497 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: to be putting other people's money at stake that I'm 498 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: not allowed down. And what if I told you you're 499 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: on a TV show that does exactly NFL game debut 500 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: will be back this year Friday afternoons. But that doesn't 501 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: that ton of the gate what you're saying. I don't 502 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: think Greg struggles to build his brand. And there was 503 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: some like negativity in that statement. No, I'm just I 504 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: don't think that's a weakness of yours. I don't know, 505 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't like this at all. Let's 506 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: take a break and we'll get to second degree in earnest. 507 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back again. This is not a celebration 508 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: of I can't wait for this person to get fired. 509 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: This is just reality, a place where Titans fans don't live, 510 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: for example, but here we stay in like it's like 511 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: for Dan, it's a little bit of a celebration for 512 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: for Mark and I think we're we're normal. But this 513 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: is sort of speaking of brand. Hot Butts is sort 514 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: of your brand. So I think there's a joy that 515 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 1: it's Hot Butts Day. It's like, um, you know, it's like, oh, 516 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: the football season is almost here. There's fire. Is the 517 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: joy that I have by doing this podcast and talking 518 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: to you guys and sharing these conversations with a grand audience. Now, 519 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: I am not celebrating these men being in grave danger. 520 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: Their butts are on fire. I understand that second degree. 521 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: It's getting gross, it's getting a little bit painful. It's 522 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: like bacon in a frying pan. Another issue for Mark, 523 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: who doesn't like meat products. I like the sound effect. 524 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: This is calming to me. All right, you you change 525 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: it up this year effects. I love it, mixing it up. 526 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: But now imagine this is a buttox still ruins it 527 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: for you, doesn't I mean that would be more troubling. Yes, 528 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: the gigs buttocks in the in the other reality of it, 529 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: but that's fine. Hit it again. Here we go. So 530 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: I have LOVEE Smith and second degree just because I 531 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: don't trust the direction of the Houston Texans after poor 532 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: David Culley. Where is David Culley? Honestly, where is he 533 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: on the beach? Right now? That's the other things like 534 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: these guys that I can They're still getting paid a 535 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: ton of money for the next three or four so 536 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: so and I know it's Davis Mills hype season on 537 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: some level, but you know, and the roster maybe isn't 538 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: as bad. I think somebody else banged me over for 539 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: the Texans. Yeah, but what if they suck and Lovey 540 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: Smith is not a flashy name brand and maybe someone 541 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: catches there are you know, the gift of the guy 542 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: walking with his girlfriend and the other girl, the more 543 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: attractive woman walking in the other direction, Well there there, 544 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 1: I can see that happening to the Texans. I mean, 545 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: there's pretty strong speculation and there was reporting that they 546 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: were going to hire Josh McCown that the McNair family 547 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: is in love with Josh McCown and that the timing 548 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: of the Brian Flores lawsuit might might have partially impacted 549 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: their decision. To that said, I put him safe because 550 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: I I am projecting a little bit, because I do 551 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: think they'll win six games and then I think it'll 552 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: be fine. And I didn't find it to be I 553 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: like Levey Smith. We interviewed him at the combine. He 554 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: was a cool guy. I don't think there's a lot 555 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: of sizzle um to the higher and I feel like 556 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: they would move if they felt like the organization was 557 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: I hear you. But I do think there is similar 558 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: to Doug Peterson in Jacksonville, there is a feeling amongst 559 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: the players and the people covering that team that's like, hey, 560 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: we've got someone who knows how to be a head 561 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: coach here. Um. Unfortunately that's a reflection on David Culley, 562 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: who seemed like a nice guy, but generally the players 563 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: this year, you look at Levey Smith, that's a legend 564 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: in the game. So it's a little different. Um, it 565 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: starts more about your organization. If you have to one 566 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: and done coaches. I think there's gonna be hesitancy to 567 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: be paying both of those guys if you're the ownership. 568 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: It's been done before. In fact, it's been done in 569 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: the A T. N Era. I was looking at one 570 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: of them coaches and then in two thousand thirteen, Rob 571 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: Jadinski with the Browns, two thousand sixteen, Chip Kelly with 572 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 1: the Niners two thousand seventeen, Jimmy Tomsula with the Niners 573 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, Steve Wilkes with the Cardinals two thousand nineteen, 574 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens with the brand. How many of these guys 575 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 1: did we interview? Are we? Are we behind this? Well? 576 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: You know what it is. We go we when we 577 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: went to that owners mean, it's like we get the 578 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: first time head coaches, it's like and then they're like 579 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: a little more choosy as they get. It's like, we 580 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: got McVeigh, Andy Reid, Remember we got John He's just 581 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: a mention. We got McVeigh the first time we went 582 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: to ramskip not getting him right now, We're not two 583 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: thousand twenty one, the offer mentioned missing in action but 584 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: a millionaire David Culley almost every season, and David and 585 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer didn't even make it a full one. He 586 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 1: lasted thirteen games before going back into whatever hole he 587 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: was living in. All right, now, it's just not good. 588 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: That was a little strong. He's a human too, I 589 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: get it, but it was not a good look. I 590 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: don't think any of those men's like, um, you know, 591 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: their their livelihoods in mind when he took that job. 592 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: Just didn't seem like a good human vibe there. And 593 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: you're right, he is a human. But at least I 594 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: think that could be debated, Like I think it's it's 595 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: up for the second degree. I have a lovey I 596 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: have Frank Wright for the reasons that Mark said that. 597 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: You know, listen, last year was a cattle cataclysmic situation 598 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: for the Colts the way that season ended, and somebody's 599 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: head had a role, so it was the quarterback. If 600 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: the season goes poorly again, they're probably gonna come from 601 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: the coach, and that's Frank Reich. Mike McDaniel, I have 602 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: second degree for chaos theory reasons. First time head coach 603 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: and second degree they said it wouldn't be done. Two 604 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: reasons why chaos theory behind the scenes with the Dolphins. 605 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: And also, listen, we all like that he's a different 606 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: cat and he come to the game differently and he 607 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: connects with players perhaps differently. But maybe what if that 608 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: doesn't work. I'm not totally sold that the brand is 609 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: gonna play here. I hope it does because he seems 610 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: like a breath of fresh air, but we have to 611 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: I need to see it work, and uh, you know 612 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: the fact that he doesn't he doesn't have a quarterback. 613 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: I totally believe in UM is an issue as well, 614 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: so McDaniel. I have solid second degree, just because I 615 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: think this is such an important year both for Sale 616 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: and Joe Douglas to show progress in the organization. Woody 617 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: Johnson is back from his UK ambassador thing, and I 618 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: imagine as he gets older, if they have another dread 619 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: dreadful season and the playoff list dropt, drought stretches to 620 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: another year, something could happen. I follow the team too long? 621 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: Would he would he? Um leaving the UK has matched 622 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: up pretty you know, one on one with a lot 623 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: of troubles for the UK, just politically and everything. I'm 624 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: just saying things have gone south since they missed what 625 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: he's leaders. Things haven't gotten like I would say great 626 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: since he came back here either it's a it's just 627 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: we're all the empires on the decline. Uh. I got 628 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll and second degree. I had him first degree 629 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: last year, second degree this year. It's a slow process 630 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: getting there. Ron Rivera I have in second degree and 631 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: finally Zaddie Mike McCarthy, who I really thought about the 632 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: highest level. But ultimately, you know, I think second degrees 633 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: where he belongs. What do you guys think? Right? Yeah, 634 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: I disagree with you there. I I have them in 635 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: third degree. I guess, at least for me will go. 636 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: I have Rivera and Zaddy in third degree. I only 637 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: have three names there and you can probably guess the 638 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: third uh to me? Like like I said, no coach 639 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: comes back for a fourth season if they haven't made 640 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's it's almost a rule. It has happened. 641 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: There was one recently, but it's very rare. Now. Technically, 642 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: Ron Rivera did make the playoffs this first year, but 643 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: they won seven. I think they won the division and 644 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: and hung in a playoff game. You can't say it 645 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: did it happened? They went seven and nine. So I 646 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: think this is a team and I am projecting a 647 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: little bit that could be in major trouble this year, 648 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 1: and if you go seven and nine, seven and nine, 649 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: four and thirteen or five and twelve, the record to 650 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: me matters more than you made that playoff run the 651 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: first time around, and I think Rivera would be gone. 652 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: So to me, he's third degree because I think they 653 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: need to win this year and I think he's in 654 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: a brutal situation. I I have Ron riverin third also, 655 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: but I do think he's different than some of the 656 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: other people that we put in third before because he's 657 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: brought stability to a really shaky organization during a turbulent time. 658 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: That said, if they wind up being the worst team 659 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: in football, the floor falls out my second real quick. 660 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, I just think that this season has the 661 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: chance to use a lot of darkness, and it might 662 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: be I think if you're Kevin Stefanski, this went from 663 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: being a really positive experience. You were coach of the 664 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: year too. You were overseeing something that you don't want 665 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: to talk about every day. And yes, maybe you have 666 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: a better quarterback on the field, but this was not 667 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski's issue. There's a lot of pressure on everyone 668 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: in there. I feel like there's anxiety and I could 669 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: just sense that season turning really into awkward to talk 670 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: about it, but there's a strong chance they'll have a 671 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: inferior quarterback on the field. The whole scene. Well, absolutely, 672 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: I also love Cliff Kingster. I just put him in 673 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: second because for what mention, what you mentioned, Dan, but 674 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: I take it up a degree just because I don't care. 675 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: I also don't care at all if a coach signed 676 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: a new contract. I think most of these owners don't 677 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: give any care about that at all. There's eighty guys 678 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: floating out there getting They don't let a float f 679 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: other right away. But this season, if they if they 680 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: really flatlined. I think Cliff Kingsbury's entire kind of program 681 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: and what he's built around in the offense and the 682 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: way it's faded the last couple of years is just 683 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: a bad year. I think he'd be a scapegoat. I 684 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: would think things would have to and I have him 685 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: in first degree, so I I hear you. But I 686 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: would think you would take like a meltdown for well, 687 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. If there was a meltdown, say 688 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: like say the last five games of last season for 689 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: the Garden, right standing that over a season that was 690 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: and that was a that was a meltdown. They had 691 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: one game where they sort of other than that win 692 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: against the Cowboys, they would have lost five straight to 693 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: lose the season. I think it was five or six. 694 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: Maybe it was four or five, but either way, and 695 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: they weren't competitive. That's why I have him in second degree, 696 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: just like Mark here he has signed through or else 697 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: he would have been in third degree. Like if if 698 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't for that contract, I would just put him 699 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: in third before the contract was signed, maybe I think 700 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: just this year. So it was so okay, I get it. 701 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 1: But you can totally extend him one year like that's 702 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: been done many times. You can totally extend him two years. 703 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: Why did they extend him five years? Well, that kind 704 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: of speaks to the point that they're probably not going 705 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: to fire him to give him that. That's so much 706 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: guaranteed money. It's not under the salary cap, but they 707 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: have to pay him through. I would, but imagine something. 708 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: Imagine this, you play the a f C West, which 709 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: is gonna be a problem, and let's say you go 710 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: one and three against the a f C West, which 711 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: is not more it's totally feasible, and then you're out 712 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: coached in three or four games against Kyle Shanahan and 713 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. The Cardinals have no identity at that point. 714 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: If that happens, that's a disaster. I'm talking about it 715 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: like everything that you think about Cliff Kingsbury. I think 716 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: if they go seven and ten and then it's a 717 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: bad seven in ten and it's not where it's six 718 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 1: and eleven, you don't have DeAndre Hopkins for the first 719 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: part of the season, that is going to cost them 720 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: a lot. But I'm just saying that things went bad 721 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: and you win sex games six games and it's an 722 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: unappealing six games or seven games out the door. I'm 723 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: with I'm with I'm with you, Mark. That's why he 724 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: would have been third degree for me, if not for 725 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: the contract, because they've committed to Kyler Murray and these 726 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 1: two guys clearly have some issues. I mean, Kyler Murray 727 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: and the organization clearly had some issues. When things got ugly, 728 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: and that's when you learn a out who's really tight. 729 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: They split apart, and the the the organization decided to 730 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: keep them all together and get everyone paid, but it 731 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: didn't feel like on the field, Kyler and Kingsbury were 732 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 1: kind of like in sync. And then off the field, 733 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: I think there's questions whether they're in sync. So to me, 734 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: if there's seven and ten but they have a mediocre offense, 735 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: I think he could be gone. So I have him 736 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: second degree. I have Pete Carroll. I agree with you, 737 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: second degree. I think they'll do fine, But the ownership 738 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,439 Speaker 1: situation there is just hanging. At some point, it really 739 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: looks like Jody Allen will sell the team. It's probably 740 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: not in the next year, but it might be in 741 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: the next year. Uh, And that that kind of hangs 742 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: over it. And then I have Frank Reich in the 743 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: second degree. And this is where I believe I would 744 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: hire Frank Reich as one of my top six seven 745 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: coaches in the entire league as a play caller, but 746 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: I feel like you have to be second degree if 747 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 1: it's playoffs or you'll lose your job. And I think 748 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: he's absolutely at that point. If they didn't make the playoffs, 749 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna fire Frank Reich. He all but said that, 750 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: Jimmer say, which takes us to third degree, which nobody 751 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: wants to be. And according to the chart last year, 752 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: listen to Zack Taylor survived, survived that there you can 753 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: you can Naggie did not Nagy and he did not. 754 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: So here is third degree and it's on my list. 755 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: It's just the one man. It's the guy who's in 756 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 1: a darker place than anyone else. It's Matt Rule. Well 757 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: he's obviously on ours. Yeah, it doesn't mean he has 758 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: no chip. It's back. But you could have just used 759 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: the old soundclip. You didn't have to bring that man 760 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: back in. It's like you enjoy it, Dan, No, that's 761 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: that's just what it's like to be sitting on the 762 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: seat that's literally on fire. That's all. I like it 763 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: better than the swallowing of water. It was lemonade, lemonade 764 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: ice cold. Uh yeah. So Rule obviously has had very 765 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: little success here um with the Panthers, and there's been 766 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: you know, he did impress Mark. That was a nice 767 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: little feather. And it feels like a long time ago. 768 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: Uh it was. It was before he had coached, And 769 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: I mean I think that David, you know, you want 770 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: to go season after season without finding a quarterback, you're 771 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: gonna sink on and he's and he you know, so 772 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: where's he trying to see through? Two seasons? He's ten 773 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: and twenty three, fired his offensive coordinator um in the 774 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: middle of last season, and you know, he said some 775 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: things in the press that have been put a target 776 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: on his back a little bit. And now he's, you know, 777 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: deciding between two former you know, first round picks who 778 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: were jettisoned by their previous teams. So maybe Baker Mayfield 779 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: saves his job, but I'm not as high in that 780 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: possibility where we are right now. I think Rules just 781 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: done a lot of trouble for an organization that as 782 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: an owner in David Tepper, which we've heard time and 783 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: time again, he's a guy that like wants results and 784 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: wants to be relevant. Well, guess what if they don't 785 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: make a playoff run or win at least eight games. 786 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: I think one of the first things he does, it's 787 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: like one of those things. If Rule lasted the season, 788 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: he would be the one like immediately is announced as 789 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: soon as the season is overtype vibe. And he's the 790 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: guy that signed the seven or eight year contract when 791 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: he when he was hired, which threw a lot of 792 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: people off, and there was such high hopes. And I 793 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: never understood that the first was partly because of the 794 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: Jets that he just there was two teams that really 795 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,959 Speaker 1: wanted him, and that's when you get But that wasn't 796 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: exactly what it was like, or at least the coaching 797 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 1: staff and the Jets had reservations, so they pulled out. 798 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: Just mean there was a bidding that the agent got 799 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: them thinking there was a bidding. Word. Yeah, they got 800 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: a lot of commitments they got got. That's what they got. 801 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: Like Matt Rule and uh Temper when they first met, 802 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: had like a fish boiled together at Rule's house and 803 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: they just they got along, like very swimmingly shrimp or 804 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: some sort of sea fish. I've read this interviews. I 805 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: read this interview on the athletics, like that clams or 806 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: shrimp or something, and it was with it was with 807 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: Joe person in the dark, just guessing what the humans 808 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: are eating. Fish boil it was from the sea. I mean, 809 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,919 Speaker 1: fish boils are great. That sounds like something that would 810 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: absolutely I mean a shrimp boil. That sounds like totally 811 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: take back tradition in areas of Wisconsin and along the 812 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: coastal upper grades. I'm gonna look, I'm going to look up. 813 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: While you discussed large Scandinavian Oh, you're saying there was 814 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's fish boys. It does sound kind of 815 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: gross a fish fish boil to me, shrimp boil excellent. 816 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: So Rule had this interview with Joe Person in the Athletic, 817 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: and I think it was intended to kind of show 818 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: the human side of where he's at, Like there was 819 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: a lot of talk about his family, what he did 820 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: on vacation, different restaurants. He's on a diet right now. 821 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: If you've seen Matt Rule, he's lost a lot of weight. Uh, 822 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,240 Speaker 1: he's he's only he said, eating eggs, meat, and vegetables 823 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: and no sugar. I mean eating zero sugar. Just seems 824 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,919 Speaker 1: that's no dairy, no sugar. Um, that doesn't sound fun. 825 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: And and there's just a lot of like what's he 826 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: binge watching? And just a lot of like this, I 827 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: think to kind of humanize to the point of this exercise, 828 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: like this guy is in a tough situation. But these 829 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: are the types of interviews that happened in these types situations. 830 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: And I felt bad listening to him because ultimately he 831 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: was very defensive talking about how he wants to be 832 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: in Charlotte long term, that he he essentially knows what 833 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: the conversation is that he loves the area that his 834 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: kids are in these great schools that I don't want 835 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: to be going back to college. People think he's just 836 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: gonna end up going back to college. Like this is 837 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: what we've done. I think we've done a great job. 838 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: We've built up this level of players, and teams go 839 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: in cycles, and that cycle came to an end. We've 840 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: weathered the storm, and I feel like we're in the 841 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 1: process and it's gonna show. And it's just sort of 842 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: the he's trying to convince himself he's you know, because 843 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 1: otherwise it's freaking miserable. I mean, there is sad to 844 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: have this thing hanging over your head and your kids 845 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: are going to school and you've gotta be worried about that. 846 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: And I think he knows he's the guy in Vegas. 847 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: He is the favorite to he's the guy to be. 848 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: It's always one guy. And that's why I kept a 849 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,800 Speaker 1: list of just him a third degree, because there's always 850 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: that one guy, it seems like, and nobody wants to 851 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: be that guy. And you probably it's probably a huge 852 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: weight off as your shoulders once you finally do get fired, 853 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: because it's it seems like a tough place to liok. 854 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 1: I guess I do do some projection because the reason 855 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: I didn't put McDaniel on my list at all, I 856 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 1: had him safe was like, I think two is going 857 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: to be better, and if he makes two a bet, 858 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: I like, I believe in Mike McDaniel, So I didn't 859 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: put him there. And I do have a feeling with 860 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: that defense. The way it is in Baker Mayfield and 861 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: the schedule that they have, I just think they'll be better. 862 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 1: I think they'll be they might be competitive, and I 863 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: have him third degree, but I don't have a mob 864 00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,800 Speaker 1: by himself. That's all right, you like to and you 865 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: think they'll play, they'll do well together. But for this exercise, 866 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: doesn't it shouldn't it be at least you know, to 867 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: take to account that the owner met with like Tom 868 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: Brady to try to sell a Sean Payton as my 869 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 1: head coach, Tom Brady as my part owners slash maybe quarterback, Like, 870 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: doesn't that feel like you only gave me four categories? 871 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: I had five before, but more He was in a 872 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: little different to Shaun Watson as well. I mean, he's 873 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,439 Speaker 1: constually seeking to upgrade, but he's a first year head coach. 874 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 1: And the owner. You know what we know about him, 875 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 1: and let's come out like I'm just saying you have 876 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: him in the same categories. Bill Belgian another category I 877 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: needed another category the car it's warm. So I I, 878 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: even though I just gave a rule by the way 879 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 1: to love, I put in McCarthy and Rivera there, partly 880 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: because of projection too, especially with Rivera that I think 881 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: he's in a tough spot. And I think McCarthy, like uh, 882 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: our buddy Frank Reich, is in a playoffs or else 883 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's just a tough spot to be 884 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 1: And to me, I feel I feel like the Colts 885 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 1: and the Cowboys are both more likely than not to 886 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: make the playoffs and then they would be fine. But 887 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,240 Speaker 1: if they don't, I would think both of those coaches 888 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: would would be fired. And I have a little less 889 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: faith in McCarthy. I have the same three people as you, Rivera, McCarthy, 890 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: and Rule. And I think McCarthy could make the playoffs 891 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: and lose a playoff game if it was um in 892 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: ignoble fashion, the way that last year is unfolded, he 893 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 1: could be gone then. And of course it becomes annoying 894 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: to always talk about this but the Sean Payton thing 895 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: sits out there as a weighty pressure on Mike McCarthy. 896 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 1: I almost thought of putting the Chargers in first degree 897 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: just because Sean Payton's associate told The Miami Harold that 898 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 1: the three teams he wants the coaches the Chargers, the Dolphins, 899 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: and the Cowboys. That's what I'm saying about the upgrade. 900 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: An associate of Sean Payton told The Miami Harold in 901 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: the dog days of July that the three teams he 902 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: had circled were the Chargers, the Dolphins and MS totally safe. Well, now, okay, 903 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: you guys have convinced me put him in first degree. 904 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 1: You're right, Okay, you got me. Just that's crazy. He's 905 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: still a first year head coach. But I guess it's crazy. 906 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: But everything's happening in Miami kind of crazy. That's a plus. 907 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,240 Speaker 1: I put n s Ol in there and Hackett for that. Okay, 908 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: you convinced me. You know I can be convinced. I'm 909 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: not inflexible in respected by the way. Um I did 910 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,280 Speaker 1: reach out to Matt Rule on this and we actually 911 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: got him on record. I'm still so you're on winding 912 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: preamble about the serious nature of this is is crumbling. 913 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:45,359 Speaker 1: You're giggling while that was playing. Also really goes again 914 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: sat a former guest of you around the NFL or 915 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 1: broadcast I think it was on the network where Gregs 916 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: threw us under the bus. Remember that Teddy? Oh yeah, 917 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: I said, you guys were not a believer. You can 918 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: see his face like he's face just like you know, 919 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: sucking on a lemon. He was. I was forever like 920 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: in his corner rule. He's a New Yorker. And I 921 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: asked him Hampton's or Jersey Shore, and without even that hesitation, 922 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: he said Jersey Shore. And I was like, all right, 923 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 1: this is a dude. I want him to be successful. 924 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,719 Speaker 1: But also if as a journalist, if I get a quote, 925 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play it on the show. That's all it. 926 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: He follows me on Twitter, so I'm like, I'm rooting 927 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: for him hard. There you go that I would that 928 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: would add for me as well if he did. I 929 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 1: don't think he follows me into I don't know head 930 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: coaches are are they on Twitter? Typically he is. I 931 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: don't mean he's active. He's not like, you know, throwing 932 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: a ton of stuff out there. He follows you nice pop. 933 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: You follow him? No, of course I do you follow 934 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: him first or I don't. I don't recall how that 935 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 1: gonna throw rule, follow and just see what happens. Same. 936 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 1: He hasn't um tweet efficient for a follower. He hasn't 937 00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: tweeted since. As I said, not an active participant, but 938 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, monitoring. We're gonna do this, Dan, We're gonna 939 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: take this show in under an hour. It's been a while, 940 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: it is. How does it feel? It feels good. It 941 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 1: almost feels like I got a little time here to 942 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,840 Speaker 1: give James White a shout out. One of the greatest 943 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 1: Patriots of all time, took that mantle from Kevin Falk 944 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: as the third down back, and of course the legendary 945 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,839 Speaker 1: performance in the Super Bowl. Just happy retirements. Too bad, 946 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: a hip injury ended his career. A clip, that's all. 947 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: We We do have some analysis from Mark Sessler after 948 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: the super Bowl that day. He's a top ten Sessy's 949 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,359 Speaker 1: a top ten analysts. We have some good analysis from Mark. Yeah, 950 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,920 Speaker 1: top ten analysts. You ready for this. I couldn't get 951 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: a handle and what they were trying to do. James. 952 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 1: I did not believe in the James White experiment out 953 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,920 Speaker 1: of the gate, and the Patriots kind of proved all 954 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: that wash of negativity that was on Twitter about what 955 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,120 Speaker 1: they were doing. They proved it wrong. What's up with 956 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,399 Speaker 1: my voice there? This was? That was that's like two 957 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,919 Speaker 1: in the morning up to the Super Bowl. I asked 958 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,280 Speaker 1: you to get a few clips. Maybe West would be involved, 959 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,440 Speaker 1: just like give me some options. Uh, you know from 960 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: that day if there's anything fun and you know what 961 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,760 Speaker 1: that My takeaway was, we were all weirdly low energy 962 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,759 Speaker 1: considering it was the greatest comeback of all time. But 963 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: I think it was late and that was probably deep 964 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: in the show. But maybe like if you listen a 965 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,319 Speaker 1: little longer, you get a little West Easter. I get 966 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: the end. James White also, and I think he's that game. 967 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: Of course against the three, they don't obviously come back 968 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: without what he did. I think what fourteen catches in 969 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 1: that game on mey was dominant and also um caused 970 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 1: me and I mentioned this before I had written my 971 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: my game story. Uh, you know, midway through the third 972 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,920 Speaker 1: quarter and then James White starts going crazy along with 973 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and it's just like paragraph by paragraph like 974 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: the Polaroid and back to the future is just like 975 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: having to be erased bit by bit so I you know, James, 976 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,919 Speaker 1: all the pre rights three were lost little I love James. Yeah, 977 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,760 Speaker 1: there's sort of like a cool like take like Damage 978 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: Check had it too, and I and I like it. 979 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: It's like they should have given James Waite an m 980 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: VP that day Catches touched. I'm gonna give it to 981 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to the quarterback who led the 982 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: greatest comeback of all time as much as another link 983 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:18,399 Speaker 1: to the Patriots glory years. That's this is what, this 984 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,319 Speaker 1: is what the Patriots fans are gonna enjoy. He'll be 985 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: in the Patriots Hall of Fame. But that play is 986 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: weirdly underrated. An incredible goal line run from a third 987 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 1: down back who was tackled originally at the four yard 988 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 1: line by Dean Deon Jones and someone else, and he 989 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: makes the bounces off two guys and then powers through. 990 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone thinks of it as a 991 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,319 Speaker 1: great play because it's like, oh, it was inevitable. Then 992 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 1: I think a ton of people think of it as 993 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,239 Speaker 1: a great It was is one of the greatest goal 994 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,440 Speaker 1: line runs in NFL history, Which one won the one 995 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,399 Speaker 1: the game. See that's what I'm saying. But he broke 996 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 1: three tackles. Do you remember the way the Falcons were playing? 997 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,080 Speaker 1: Just say it was well they were spiritually broken at 998 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,359 Speaker 1: that pay were with you. I take nothing away from 999 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 1: James White, but there have been many more impressive runs 1000 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: in football. It was a literally it won the Super Bowl. 1001 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:19,760 Speaker 1: So that that alone the circumstances. Okay, that's a nut. Alright, Uh, 1002 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,800 Speaker 1: good week of shows. Thank you to everybody for listening. 1003 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 1: Next week, starting with Monday, we'll have a full rundown 1004 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: of all the preseason action in week one. I care 1005 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: so little about the preseason I won't to be at 1006 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: the show, so we're gonna have right. We taped this 1007 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: before the couple of games on Thursday, but we want 1008 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,840 Speaker 1: a nice clean all the preseason games in one on Monday. 1009 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,840 Speaker 1: Get to watch that Patriots offense tonight. So if you 1010 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,319 Speaker 1: want an in depth breakdown of all the action in 1011 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,399 Speaker 1: week one of the preseason, all the superstars on the 1012 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,800 Speaker 1: in the sandbox that is the NFL, the sideline watching 1013 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 1: the game, make sure you're tun tune into I'm like 1014 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,560 Speaker 1: actively telling people not to listen to Mondays show and 1015 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,880 Speaker 1: freaking weird move, A weird move that Dan is like 1016 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: rooting against the show that he is also suddenly assigning 1017 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: Mark and Greg a ton of weekend work. If we're 1018 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,399 Speaker 1: gonna be watching every single preseason, I would think if 1019 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 1: if we're if we are presenting Monday's show as an 1020 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: in depth look at the first We're got to be 1021 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,920 Speaker 1: some game that's involved. I think there's gonna have to 1022 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 1: be a lot of Mark for you, a lot of 1023 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 1: the NFL Network because they do play a lot of 1024 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,800 Speaker 1: the preseason games. I'm game for. Yeah, I want to 1025 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,919 Speaker 1: see some of these these guys, these good so here 1026 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 1: the enthusiasm in the boy's voices, that is what you're 1027 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,280 Speaker 1: gonna get with Patrick Laban and I'll see you on Wednesday. 1028 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,479 Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody again. Thank you to Sean Kelly. 1029 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,799 Speaker 1: Good job, buddy. Not an easy gig, but he just 1030 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:55,080 Speaker 1: stepped right in. Thank you until Monday. Everybody, have a 1031 00:53:55,120 --> 00:54:28,440 Speaker 1: great weekend. Never remember he the car Ah