Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky
Speaker 1: and kooky. I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I'm Gonstanes that days. Hey boo, it's
Speaker 1: me raz. I was in Joanne Fabrics the other day
Speaker 1: and I saw Halloween decorations. So if Joanne says, so
Speaker 1: it is Halloween time, I'm going with it. How you doing,
Speaker 1: I'm doing great because my friend Chris Colfer is back
Speaker 1: on the show. We all love him, including the ghosts.
Speaker 1: Ghosts can't get enough of Chris Colfer. He has had
Speaker 1: so many stories and it's his third time being on
Speaker 1: in a year, which I love. I would love to
Speaker 1: have him here all the time. He recently went on
Speaker 1: a trip to Scotland and had a little bit of
Speaker 1: paranormal experiences there. If you haven't heard the other times
Speaker 1: he's been on, go back and listen. They are some
Speaker 1: iconic episodes. He was on like a year ago ish
Speaker 1: and then he came back on with his best friend
Speaker 1: Ashley Fink. The two of them had some stories and
Speaker 1: now he's back and I love him. I love him
Speaker 1: so much, so I say we just get into this
Speaker 1: episode on Patreon this week. No bonus clip from this episode.
Speaker 1: But I'm still doing my weekly episodes where I'm looking
Speaker 1: into different states state by state. I just did Hawaii
Speaker 1: and check it out link in the description. Also, there
Speaker 1: will be a video version of this episode. We literally
Speaker 1: just recorded this yesterday, so it's just going to take
Speaker 1: a moment to get that edited and up on YouTube.
Speaker 1: The folks over at Starburns Audio are work and real
Speaker 1: hard to get these video episodes out, so please watch them.
Speaker 1: Those are just I mean, I usually link them in
Speaker 1: the descriptions of these episodes. I'm not going to do
Speaker 1: it this time because it's not out yet, but if
Speaker 1: you just Google, or if you just go to YouTube
Speaker 1: and type in Ghosted by ROZs. Fernandez, you'll find the episodes. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's talk to Chris on with the show. I'm joined
Speaker 1: by a three peat guest, somebody, I think the first
Speaker 1: time in history that a guest has been on three
Speaker 1: times in a year. Really, Chris, call for hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me, Thanks for coming
Speaker 1: back on. You said you have more stories, which I
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear. You know, I've never I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I've ever really talked about this on
Speaker 1: the pod. But like you and me and Rachel the Exorcists,
Speaker 1: we're like real friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we see each other.
Speaker 1: We hang out like a decent amount.
Speaker 2: It's not just for for for the show. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's for life.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, we don't we're not though. The three of
Speaker 1: us ghost hunting sounds so fun.
Speaker 2: That would be so much fun. That would be a
Speaker 2: road trip I would love to take.
Speaker 1: God, what a dream. But yeah, you and I hang out,
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that you've come back. You brought notes,
Speaker 1: I brought notes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have a few stories and I wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure I didn't forget anything because because you know,
Speaker 2: I take this very seriously.
Speaker 1: Would like your I mean, I joke, but you truly
Speaker 1: are a gift from the podcasting paranormal podcasting gods.
Speaker 2: Oh I appreciate that. Thank you you well.
Speaker 1: You know another thing I was thinking about with you
Speaker 1: is that I witnessed your first ever tarot reading.
Speaker 2: You did yeah my house. That was by Cales, our
Speaker 2: friend Calax.
Speaker 1: Shout out Calyx. Some people might know as wearing a
Speaker 1: speedout on Rpulse drags part of the pit crew, showing
Speaker 1: off that body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god. He's he's in great shape, and
Speaker 2: he also reads terror and he's really good, really good
Speaker 2: at it, really really good at it. Yeah, you should
Speaker 2: have him on on on on the show. Oh, I
Speaker 2: would love to. I'm sure he'd love to come and
Speaker 2: talk about it.
Speaker 1: He gave you such a good reading. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just sitting there like, so everyone was gathered around.
Speaker 2: So into it, Like everyone was just around the table
Speaker 2: listening to him, and I was my my jaw kept
Speaker 2: dropping because the things he was saying were just so
Speaker 2: accurate and so unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you've never had a tarot reading.
Speaker 2: I know, it's unlike me to not not have that.
Speaker 2: I guess it's I would rather like have a psychic
Speaker 2: reading than a terror I don't know. I think I
Speaker 2: just like psychics are more exciting to me. Past life
Speaker 2: regression is exciting to me.
Speaker 1: Your friend shar who you hooked me up with, she
Speaker 1: she's going to be on the podcast in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. She has a new book. You wrote the
Speaker 1: forwards to it, and she is the real deal, real deal,
Speaker 1: And you've had a lot of like readings and stuff
Speaker 1: from her.
Speaker 2: Right. Oh yeah, No, she's one of my my best friends.
Speaker 2: And I met her years ago backstage at the Kelly
Speaker 2: and Regis Live show. And back then, I was terrified
Speaker 2: of psychics because I was always afraid that they would
Speaker 2: give me bad news and I did not want any
Speaker 2: bad news. And so I was kind of like, kind
Speaker 2: of like avoiding her in the halls. And then she
Speaker 2: walked up to me and she grabbed my hand and
Speaker 2: she said, I just want to let you know you're
Speaker 2: here to help people, and who ever ever want a
Speaker 2: reading from me, just let me know I'd be honored
Speaker 2: to give to give you a reading. And I was like, oh, okay, okay, sure,
Speaker 2: sure sure. And then years later, I'm sitting like on
Speaker 2: the set of Glee talking to that I think it
Speaker 2: was Leea, Michelle and Ny Rivera and Sarah Tisica Parker,
Speaker 2: and we're all talking about psychics and talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: our different experiences with them. And I said, you know,
Speaker 2: I had never had a reading before, but I met
Speaker 2: this lady named Shar, and I'm really kicking myself that
Speaker 2: I didn't reach out to her and you know, take
Speaker 2: take a reading. And then two days later Shar reached
Speaker 2: out again. This was two and a half years later,
Speaker 2: and she just reached out like a day after it,
Speaker 2: because she had to go through her people to get
Speaker 2: to my people. So like literally the same day she
Speaker 2: reached out just to let me know that my offer
Speaker 2: was still on the table. So I took her, took
Speaker 2: her up on it and went to her her place,
Speaker 2: and she gave me reading and it was scary accurate
Speaker 2: and uh and yeah, and we've been friends ever since.
Speaker 1: Does she give you bad news?
Speaker 2: Well, she she's very very maternal to me, So it's
Speaker 2: more it's more like a motherly you know, this is
Speaker 2: what you need to do better on, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of a thing. But no, she's never given me like
Speaker 2: like you know, like like you're gonna die or you know,
Speaker 2: anything like that. Obviously, Yeah, but uh no, I love
Speaker 2: her to pieces.
Speaker 1: Have you had other psychic readings.
Speaker 2: I've had pet psychic readings.
Speaker 1: Wait did we talk about this?
Speaker 2: We might have.
Speaker 1: I'm confused now because you've told me so many sorts
Speaker 1: and you've told me like we've talked not on the podcast,
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to remember it.
Speaker 2: Remind me I can tell you Sory, you can cut
Speaker 2: it later if if, if ever, I said so, My
Speaker 2: cat was very he had heart failure, and so I
Speaker 2: reached out to a to a pet psychic, because that's
Speaker 2: what you do when you live in Los Angeles. And uh,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure he had no like
Speaker 2: unfinished cat business or you know, and or there's anything
Speaker 2: I could do to like make his last days, you know,
Speaker 2: more comfortable. And the psychic says, do you sing to him?
Speaker 2: And I go, yes, I do sing to him, and
Speaker 2: she goes, do you like change the words and songs
Speaker 2: to be about him, like, for example, the hills are
Speaker 2: alive with the sound of Brian And I said, oh, yes,
Speaker 2: I do. I do. And I'm getting teary eyed because
Speaker 2: I'm thinking like, oh my gosh, my voice is soothing
Speaker 2: him and you know, blah blah blah blah, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: he hates your voice.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: He's telling me if you want him to die in peace,
Speaker 2: to please stop singing, to stop with the yeah with
Speaker 2: the weird al you have the name that tune. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I did, and uh and uh, I guess he
Speaker 2: passed peacefully because of it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. But so you haven't had a psychic
Speaker 1: greetings for humans?
Speaker 2: Listen no, And I've you know, I've been offered, like
Speaker 2: you to be a guest on the Long Island Medium
Speaker 2: and Tyler Henry and all that. But I just like
Speaker 2: my family is rowdy, and especially the ones that are
Speaker 2: that have passed, And I don't know if I just
Speaker 2: I want that out there right. But whenever I go
Speaker 2: through a rough time or you know, you know, something
Speaker 2: comes up, I always run it by Shar and she
Speaker 2: always gives me really good advice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be nervous to hear what some people
Speaker 1: would have to say. Yeah, like that could be embarrassing.
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes like I'll just like lose my keys
Speaker 2: and I'll call Shar and she'll tell me right where
Speaker 2: they are. Like it's it's so, it's it's it's like
Speaker 2: having a best friend with a superpower that.
Speaker 1: Truly is a superpower. Well, one of your other superpowers,
Speaker 1: one of your superpowers, is that ghost are obsessed with you.
Speaker 2: I wish they were.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I'm obsessed with What do you mean you
Speaker 1: have twenty thousand?
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. I'm still in denial. I said
Speaker 2: that in our first episode. I'm in denial of what
Speaker 2: I guess that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I want.
Speaker 2: I want it so bad, like I want I want
Speaker 2: to have an experience that is just so undeniable. Uh,
Speaker 2: I want that, so I know. But I think I
Speaker 2: think even like with the experiences I've I've had, there's
Speaker 2: always that that little seed of doubt, you know, that's
Speaker 2: in all of us, that just kind of I want
Speaker 2: to get rid of that doubt. So I'm hoping one
Speaker 2: day I'll have an experience that really just is is
Speaker 2: blatantly undeniable. Yes, it's it's it's it's all here.
Speaker 1: You lived in a haunted house. I did you? I
Speaker 1: saw a UFO.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've had a bajillion that you have shot like,
Speaker 1: you've had so many incredible stories, but you still doubt it.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why. I think it's. Uh, maybe
Speaker 2: because I was raised to believe that there's no such
Speaker 2: thing as goes, there's no such thing as aliens like that.
Speaker 2: That that that's still that's still in my head some
Speaker 2: some for some reason, I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But all right, well, let's hear your news stories
Speaker 1: and we'll see if I doubt.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I actually I will say I had recently
Speaker 2: the most paranormal experience I've ever like I've ever had,
Speaker 2: and I'm very excited to tell you about it. In fact,
Speaker 2: as soon as it happened, I I even told someone
Speaker 2: I can't wait to tell Roz about this.
Speaker 1: So this is a ten, you would say on the
Speaker 1: paranormal scale, Oh gosh, I would.
Speaker 2: Say a nine because there's still that that small you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Wait, which story is like your your closest most paranorm
Speaker 1: I think that the UFO.
Speaker 2: I got that on camera, so like that, you know,
Speaker 2: and I haven't seen this video sen to you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I I was on the Tonight Show and we showed
Speaker 2: it on the Tonight Show and like people still haven't
Speaker 2: been able to tell me like what it could have
Speaker 2: been like, So I mean that that's intriguing. That was
Speaker 2: cause that was like it that was like I have
Speaker 2: evidence of that one. Most of it though, it was
Speaker 2: just like you know, like I'll wake up and I'll
Speaker 2: like I'll see something or someone standing at the foot
Speaker 2: of my bed and then like they'll fade away and
Speaker 2: then but then like you know, that also could be
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis. You know, there's so many could be could be.
Speaker 2: But I mean I know, I know, I think these
Speaker 2: kids are obsessed with you. I guess yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I think I'm so pale they just think I'm one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: You know, I am very pale right now and it's
Speaker 1: not happening for me, but I don't want to. So, okay,
Speaker 1: you were in Scotland.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I turned thirty in the pandemic and had
Speaker 2: this huge, obnoxious, elaborate trip planned to celebrate my thirtieth
Speaker 2: birthday to Scotland and I had to postpont everything to
Speaker 2: this year, and I was gonna lose all my deposits
Speaker 2: if we didn't take the trip. So we went ahead
Speaker 2: and did it this this year. But I designed the
Speaker 2: whole trip around going to like you know, haunted castles
Speaker 2: and like haunted tours and Lochness and and all the
Speaker 2: famous paranormal Scottish stuff. So had had some pretty great
Speaker 2: experiences there. I'll start with this place called Castle Menzies,
Speaker 2: which is in Aberfeldie. Castle Menzies is was built like
Speaker 2: in like I think, like the twelve hundreds. It's it's
Speaker 2: very very ancient, and I believe Outlander has filmed there
Speaker 2: a few times, and it is very very haunted and
Speaker 2: also what I love about Scotland, let me tell you,
Speaker 2: is haunted places. Like there there's no stigma, there's there's
Speaker 2: no there's no mockery. It's just it's just like a fact.
Speaker 2: Like like like they're like they'll have like plaques outside
Speaker 2: rooms that just say the haunted room, like it is.
Speaker 2: It is like hilarious, like how however, and everyone just
Speaker 2: like it's just like it's just part of life there.
Speaker 1: Well. Also the fact that if a ghost is sticking
Speaker 1: around from the twelve hundreds, yeah, like they must feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, it's pretty cozy if they're they're still around. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But so anyway, so Castle Menzi's has this really really
Speaker 2: bloody history. Most notably they're like like like the clan
Speaker 2: you know, slash clan leader, slash like king guy that
Speaker 2: that lived there at one point had a daughter that
Speaker 2: was basically raped and murdered by by these men. So
Speaker 2: we had these men rounded up and tortured them in
Speaker 2: the dungeon. So there's just a lot of and that's
Speaker 2: just like one of many bad things that happened there.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot a lot of bad juju in
Speaker 2: that in that building. So we h my friends and I,
Speaker 2: including our mutual friend Drew Drogi. He was with us.
Speaker 2: We went there to have a tour and to have
Speaker 2: dinner because they served dinner in like the original like
Speaker 2: kitchen of the castle.
Speaker 1: Can people stay there?
Speaker 2: They can't spend the night, but I mean we were
Speaker 2: there really late, like we were there from like six
Speaker 2: to midnight. Yeah, and it's just so cool to like
Speaker 2: be like in like a medieval kitchen and like have
Speaker 2: like the meal being prepared in like the oven. And
Speaker 2: it was it was a very cool experience. So we
Speaker 2: get there.
Speaker 1: Was it like medieval times?
Speaker 2: No, No, it was it was. It was like it
Speaker 2: was like steak and potatoes and and and there was
Speaker 2: silf aware thankfully, Okay, I mean that would be great,
Speaker 2: but uh no, not not not in this not not
Speaker 2: not this particular place. So anyway, we get there and
Speaker 2: we're kind of like doing like a little bit of
Speaker 2: a tour and we walk we walk into this this
Speaker 2: this room that is just sort of between the dungeon
Speaker 2: and the kitchen, and it I think it was like
Speaker 2: used as like a storage room like where they'd like
Speaker 2: hang meet and you know, you know keep you know,
Speaker 2: barrels of wine and stuff. And we walk in and
Speaker 2: as soon as we walk in the room, the window
Speaker 2: slams slam shut, like just just and it was like
Speaker 2: it opened towards us. It just slams shut as soon
Speaker 2: as we walk in. Andrew and I look at each
Speaker 2: other because we were just like, did did did we
Speaker 2: just did you just see? Did we just see the
Speaker 2: same thing?
Speaker 1: And it kind of been a no gust of winds Now,
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: I have never ever in my life seen the wind
Speaker 2: blow a window shut, you know, like like I've seen
Speaker 2: it blow a window open, of course, but never like
Speaker 2: you know, shut. And so the guy that ran the castle,
Speaker 2: like we were kind of spooked and he was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it was the wind. It was the wind, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't really windy that day. And again like it was
Speaker 2: also like the window was fully open with with the
Speaker 2: with the you know, with the with it coming to
Speaker 2: coming into the into the room. So that had to
Speaker 2: be like it would have to have been like a
Speaker 2: weird freak of nature like pressure wind thing for it
Speaker 2: to shut like like that.
Speaker 1: But not one of those things where like you open
Speaker 1: a door and then that causes another one.
Speaker 2: No, there's there was it was, there was no door,
Speaker 2: There was no there was nothing. Uh, there was nothing
Speaker 2: that we did to create any kind of draft or
Speaker 2: different kind of pressure in the room. But as soon
Speaker 2: as we walked in, this window that had been opened
Speaker 2: all day slam shut on its own. Okay, And that
Speaker 2: is that is probably the most uh as close as
Speaker 2: in my in my experience, the closest undeniable paranormal experience
Speaker 2: I've had, because it was just I have a picture
Speaker 2: of it, but I wish I was, I wish I
Speaker 2: was recording a video. But yeah, no, I just I've
Speaker 2: never seen the window do that to a window.
Speaker 1: Did you talk to the staff at all about it
Speaker 1: being haunted?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yeah, and they're and like like, like I said,
Speaker 2: it's just all it's just a matter of fact, like yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's a haunted place. Yeah, Like there're just there's
Speaker 2: like one guy like lives there and he's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah it's.
Speaker 1: On doors, slam, windows slam. I have no big deal. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He even said like like he goes, oh, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't come here at night. I stay
Speaker 2: at the in the cottage. It's on the property. I don't,
Speaker 2: but I don't come here in here at night.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm working with Drew next week.
Speaker 2: I was to ask me about it. Yeah yeah, So
Speaker 2: that was really cool. And then and then we had
Speaker 2: like a ghost tour where like mediums came and gave
Speaker 2: us a tour of the whole castle and uh, a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot they they said. They said the castle,
Speaker 2: given its history, affects young women a lot more than
Speaker 2: than men, probably because so many horrible things have happened
Speaker 2: to young women in that castle, and a lot of
Speaker 2: the the women that were with us were felt really
Speaker 2: really uncomfortable. My friend actually left because she didn't want
Speaker 2: to take the tours because she was feeling so eerie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. And like when we got up to
Speaker 2: the attic, a lot of people, including Drew and my
Speaker 2: friend Chaz, they heard growling, like behind their ears. I
Speaker 2: didn't hear the growling. I was very jealous, but it
Speaker 2: really spooked them.
Speaker 1: Who was growling?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I don't know, some demon. I
Speaker 2: guess it would have to be.
Speaker 1: So that is what I would do if I was
Speaker 1: a ghost, I would be going up to people.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, just grow yeah, oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd be the worst ghosts. I would display pranks all day.
Speaker 1: God, it'd be so fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, well did you go to Lockness?
Speaker 2: We did go to Lockness? Yes, we took We took
Speaker 2: a boat tour of Lockness, and that was probably my
Speaker 2: favorite part of our trip because it was just so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I mean like my eyes were glued to the water
Speaker 2: the entire time, just like hoping this would would make
Speaker 2: an appearance. I didn't see Nessie. Ashley said that she
Speaker 2: did see something following the boat in the water. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing with Ashley, Uh, it'll take her five
Speaker 2: years to process it before she really tells me what
Speaker 2: she saw. So it's a miracle that I got that
Speaker 2: out of her in the moment. So uh that that's
Speaker 2: how she's always been. Like she sees something spooky, she
Speaker 2: holds in, she holds it in, she holds it in,
Speaker 2: and they I'll get it out of her like over drinks,
Speaker 2: like years later, and I'm like, why did you tell
Speaker 2: me in the moment? I could have ran over and
Speaker 2: confirmed or you know, denied.
Speaker 1: So what about the stuff on that tour?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's exactly where I was gonna That's exactly what
Speaker 2: I was gonna say. You know, you know me, I do.
Speaker 2: I do my research when I go to these places.
Speaker 2: I did ask the the the the guys that were
Speaker 2: that were, you know, the captain and his crew if
Speaker 2: they had seen anything, and they said, they have never
Speaker 2: seen an actual like serpent like creature, but they have
Speaker 2: seen many things that that were not that they can't
Speaker 2: be explained, like the water like doing like weird like
Speaker 2: like whirlpools, splashes coming out of nowhere. Yeah, that that
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. Miss Lockness was in the news recently. She was,
Speaker 1: wasn't she. Yeah, because they found a fossil of a
Speaker 1: Plesia sore.
Speaker 2: Oh right, well that's what that's what it's believed that
Speaker 2: she is.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was in Morocco in a salt in a
Speaker 1: fresh water lake, I believe. Oh and it's always been
Speaker 1: believed that they were only in salt water, so it
Speaker 1: could support the idea that she could be Yeah, some
Speaker 1: kind of plicio sore hanging out. But we're talking like
Speaker 1: I think one hundred and fifty million years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I what I went through that
Speaker 2: I that I listened to on this show, on your show,
Speaker 2: that I was just like I got chills. When I
Speaker 2: heard about it was I forget who it was, but
Speaker 2: he said that he believes that like Nessie and the Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: are just ghosts of creatures that used to exist. Yeah,
Speaker 2: why have I never thought about that? Like that makes
Speaker 2: perfect sense.
Speaker 1: It's probably Johnny L. Tenney.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that was right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think about that all the time. With
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, I'm always just like, I think
Speaker 1: we just have to believe that it is some kind
Speaker 1: of magical creature.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm I'm all for that.
Speaker 1: There's no other way of explaining that.
Speaker 2: And then all you can do all that stuff like
Speaker 2: with that, what was the was he an alchemist that
Speaker 2: lived there?
Speaker 1: Oh? Alistair Crow? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, so you know something's going on in
Speaker 2: that in that in that walk. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I have faith in you that you will one
Speaker 1: day meet Nasty. I hope.
Speaker 2: So I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well what else you got on that list from me?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: We also visited Done Robin Castle, which.
Speaker 1: Was done Robin Done, Robin, I am done. I'm done, Batman,
Speaker 1: I'm done Robin.
Speaker 2: When they broke up it So when I was growing up,
Speaker 2: we had this framed photo of Robin castle in the
Speaker 2: entryway of my childhood home, and my parents always joked
Speaker 2: that it was like our family castle and then le Scottish,
Speaker 2: I am Scottish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Later I found out my mom just got it at
Speaker 2: a garage sale and I thought it was pretty. It
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with us, and I was horribly disappointed. Anyways,
Speaker 2: so I've always wanted to go visit it, and so
Speaker 2: we went, and uh, it is breath taking, it is.
Speaker 2: It is like a French chateau, like on the Scottish
Speaker 2: coast and just gorgeous. And that's where I saw the
Speaker 2: plaque that the Haunted Room plaque was was at that
Speaker 2: castle because many years ago. The story is whatever lord
Speaker 2: lived there, his daughter wanted to marry like a commoner,
Speaker 2: so he locked her in this tower and she tried
Speaker 2: to escape and fell to her death, and so they
Speaker 2: say she haunts the dun Robin to this day. But
Speaker 2: it's hilarious because the owners after the lord turned it
Speaker 2: into a nursery this this tower, as past one does.
Speaker 1: That's so often the case, yeah, because you.
Speaker 2: Know, why not, And so it's like the Haunted room
Speaker 2: slash nursery and there's like the room is full of
Speaker 2: like dolls and and like bassinettes, and it's just it's
Speaker 2: just like it's just it's almost like it's been decorated
Speaker 2: by a gussette set designer.
Speaker 1: So the lady, she's just hanging around with the dolls.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess there's
Speaker 2: no proof that it's her, but I mean that, I mean,
Speaker 2: all signs point to you know, she died tragically, so
Speaker 2: she's she's sticking around.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well I love that they have the Haunted Room plaque
Speaker 2: and that hilarious.
Speaker 1: I think that that's I like that. I like the transparency.
Speaker 1: I like embracing it. Yeah, too many people. But then
Speaker 1: there's also a part of me that likes it when
Speaker 1: they don't. And it's like, I know a little dirty secret.
Speaker 1: I know that there's a lady that fell out of
Speaker 1: this window.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, I definitely loved how they
Speaker 2: embrace it and how it's just like it's just like
Speaker 2: it's not even there's no stigma. It's just it's just
Speaker 2: like talking about the weather. It's like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's on it. Yeah, oh yeah the white Lady.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but then that's not Yeah, the white lady.
Speaker 1: But that is that spooky, I guess. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like there has to be a little bit of
Speaker 1: stigma if we want to keep this ship.
Speaker 2: There has to be a little bit of fear behind
Speaker 2: the eyes for it to be entertaining.
Speaker 1: Because you're just like, oh, it's just normal. Then it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just Jerry, yeah, which is what I always think
Speaker 1: about with Bigfoot and Lockness. It's like, oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like a species. Yeah. Like no, it's fun when
Speaker 1: it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, magical, yeah, yeah, dangerous.
Speaker 1: Tell me Mark, Okay, I have one more.
Speaker 2: We took this thing called the City of the Dead
Speaker 2: tour in Edinburgh and dying to go there. Oh it's
Speaker 2: it's your dream. It is so neat the history and
Speaker 2: just I mean just a beautiful city in general, but
Speaker 2: all the dark history of it is just fascinating. Uh.
Speaker 2: The thing that I'm sure you've heard about it the
Speaker 2: tombs underneath Edinburgh, So like basically like there was a
Speaker 2: whole city that they just built on top of, and
Speaker 2: so there was like over a thousand like tombs underground,
Speaker 2: and like in the seventeen hundreds and the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: basically all the society's rejects, the poor, the diseased, the criminals,
Speaker 2: the prostitutes all just kind of lived down there because
Speaker 2: they had nowhere else to go. And at the time,
Speaker 2: they couldn't even leave the city because there was a
Speaker 2: really strict exit tax where you'd have to like pay
Speaker 2: like you basically give the city all your money in
Speaker 2: order to leave it. And so it was just like
Speaker 2: the cesspool of just like sin and crime, and it
Speaker 2: was just really really eerie. And they say that once
Speaker 2: someone went there, they only lasted about six months before
Speaker 2: they either died some horrible death by disease or they
Speaker 2: were murdered. Yeah, it's just really really bad bad juju.
Speaker 2: So we took a tour, Yeah, let's go vacation, and
Speaker 2: it was so creepy because it's like you're you walking
Speaker 2: through like these stone corridors that are just like one
Speaker 2: hundred feet underground, and you can see like there are
Speaker 2: like scratches on the walls of people when they were
Speaker 2: like attacked. There are like someone like put tally marks
Speaker 2: on the bricks of how long they'd been down there.
Speaker 2: And they said that because it was you know, it's freezing,
Speaker 2: that they would they would have they would burn like
Speaker 2: firewood down there, and like they would all just like
Speaker 2: die of a affixiation because because of the smoke would
Speaker 2: just feel you know anyway. So it was really really creepy,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of funny because, uh, it was
Speaker 2: at one point, at one point that the tour was
Speaker 2: like right underneath like this like club and it was
Speaker 2: like country western night, so we could hear like like
Speaker 2: the hanky panky like coming through the walls, which that
Speaker 2: kind of took took away from the from the fact,
Speaker 2: but it also for me added an eerie element because
Speaker 2: it was like like these people like they were they
Speaker 2: were that close like to like so like to like
Speaker 2: the real society, like like people had like people living
Speaker 2: under underneath their home and like like think like like
Speaker 2: they would hear people like you know, celebrating and having
Speaker 2: you know, festivities to a few feet above their head,
Speaker 2: but they were you know, like these mole people just
Speaker 2: scratching their watching their way out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So highly recommend that I.
Speaker 1: Don't like to go to any place where there's not
Speaker 1: a quick exit, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And this was like winding, so they even like warn
Speaker 2: you like there's no way out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So and it gets a little claustrophobic sometimes because they're
Speaker 2: really it gets really narrow. But I mean, I think
Speaker 2: you'd love it because it's just like it's just you.
Speaker 1: Don't even like going against subways.
Speaker 2: Oh then yeah, you wouldn't like this at all.
Speaker 1: Subways freak me out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is this is like subway on steroids.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about sub boy eat friend.
Speaker 2: No, no, of course.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait where else did you go?
Speaker 2: So on the same tour we went to I think
Speaker 2: it was the Greyfriar Cemetery. It's it's called Grayfriar Cemetery
Speaker 2: because back in the day the monks that ran it
Speaker 2: or gray robes, so they call it Gray Friars. So
Speaker 2: not not very creative, but you know, and that's home
Speaker 2: of the Mackenzie Poultrygeist. Have you heard of Themckinzie Poltrygeist?
Speaker 1: Which one is this?
Speaker 2: So he sried, giving a history lesson?
Speaker 1: Oh please?
Speaker 2: So, and like I think the seventeen hundreds, there's this
Speaker 2: group called and I'm it's been a while since I
Speaker 2: heard the story, so forgive me. My facts aren't completely straight.
Speaker 2: But the cliff notes version is there was this group
Speaker 2: called the Covenants, I believe, and they were fighting for
Speaker 2: you know, territory and religious freedom and you know, you know,
Speaker 2: freedom to govern themselves within Scotland. And they lost this horrible,
Speaker 2: horrible battle, and so this guy named Lord Mackenzie sentenced
Speaker 2: them all that the survivors to basically be prisoners outside
Speaker 2: in this this cemetery. So these people were just exposed
Speaker 2: to the elements for years and years and just burned
Speaker 2: and starved and froze very very much and was like
Speaker 2: a kind of like concentration camp. But but uh out
Speaker 2: you know, more more outdoors and uh so anyway, so
Speaker 2: so you know, just unimaginable suffering happened in this in
Speaker 2: this cemetery. And then when Lord McKenzie died, he was
Speaker 2: actually buried in that cemetery, which I think is just
Speaker 2: very uh ironic anyway, So if you I think, I
Speaker 2: think in the nineties, like like like twenty thirty something
Speaker 2: years ago, the homeless man wandered into the cemetery trying
Speaker 2: to find shelter to get out of the storm, and
Speaker 2: he went into this this uh this mausoleum where Lord
Speaker 2: McKenzie was buried, and apparently like he like fell through
Speaker 2: the floor and like opened the casket and the body
Speaker 2: was disturbed, and ever since that happened, there had just
Speaker 2: been crazy, crazy experiences that if that have happened in
Speaker 2: this cemetery, wow. Yeah. And it's considered by a lot
Speaker 2: of people to be the most haunted place in the
Speaker 2: world because people will go and they'll like, they'll they'll
Speaker 2: they'll faint, they'll they'll get lightheaded, they'll they'll become nauseous.
Speaker 2: People will leave and then they have bruises all over
Speaker 2: their body that they can't explain. So Ms McKenzie's not
Speaker 2: a very nice nice gal.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And so once again you said, let's
Speaker 1: go sign me up, let me spend my vacation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it it was kind of sad because during
Speaker 2: this tour we were also jet lagged. We were basically
Speaker 2: just like the walking dead anyway, so we didn't quite
Speaker 2: you know, get the full experience that I was hoping for.
Speaker 2: But it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: That is terrifying the mackenzie polter guys. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: even until the nineties when when it was disturbed. It
Speaker 1: wasn't haunted before that, not.
Speaker 2: That I'm aware of. I think it was like that
Speaker 2: homeless guy disturbed the grave and then a few years later,
Speaker 2: this is actually kind of funny to like, college kids
Speaker 2: were messing around and they went into the mausoleum and
Speaker 2: they took apart the body and one of them performed
Speaker 2: sexual acts to the school. So I think that that
Speaker 2: probably pissed.
Speaker 1: Him off because I could have something to do with Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah.
Speaker 2: So he's he's pretty pissed. But they also say like, like,
Speaker 2: no one's sure if it's actually even though it's called
Speaker 2: the McKenzie Poldier guys, no one's actually sure if it's
Speaker 2: actually Lord Mackenzie because there was so much suffering that
Speaker 2: was done, you know, by him or caused by him,
Speaker 2: that it might be someone one of the one of
Speaker 2: the prisoners that's it's doing all this, or a combination
Speaker 2: of the prisoners.
Speaker 1: But it could just be a mass energy, right right.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but so far everyone gives him the credit.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So basically, don't stick your giblets and
Speaker 1: skulls of dead people.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean that should be a given. Well now,
Speaker 2: but now we have now we have proof.
Speaker 1: Finally, Well remember that. Hey, can I read you a
Speaker 1: story please? Yes? Okay. This one came from a listener
Speaker 1: named Diane from Kentucky. So, Dan, Dian's a great writer
Speaker 1: and wrote a bunch of details, So I'm just going
Speaker 1: to paraphrase some sections. But basically, she dated this guy
Speaker 1: named Todd back in the eighties and he ended up
Speaker 1: being a real asshole. He was abusive. It was just bad,
Speaker 1: So Diane, Yeah, I know. But so Todd's best friend
Speaker 1: was named Jim. So she writes, Jim and I had
Speaker 1: been friendly while I was dating Todd, and after the breakup,
Speaker 1: we grew closer and our friendship developed into love. Six
Speaker 1: weeks after our first date we got married. Todd was
Speaker 1: pissed and he felt betrayed by us. He was very
Speaker 1: angry and very bitter. So she said that he would
Speaker 1: call over the years, and this is like pre call
Speaker 1: her Ida or whatever. So she would just like pick
Speaker 1: up and it would be him, and he'd be saying
Speaker 1: all these awful things, and it was usually around his
Speaker 1: birthday or she and Jim's anniversary, and it effect her
Speaker 1: for a while, but eventually, you know, time went on
Speaker 1: and she got over it. But she writes that he
Speaker 1: would call several homes. She changed her phone number, or
Speaker 1: not well, her phone number changed because she kept moving
Speaker 1: and she stopped hearing from him eventually and he disappeared
Speaker 1: off the map. Was great, and then several years later
Speaker 1: she and Jim divorced, but they remained extremely close friends
Speaker 1: and they still lived together, which is sweet. So many
Speaker 1: years later she looks him up on social media because
Speaker 1: she was already like looking up other people from that time,
Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm just gonna block him just
Speaker 1: in case, you never know, he could still be out there.
Speaker 1: She can find him, so she googles him and then
Speaker 1: she finds out he's dead. Oh no, she finds his obituary.
Speaker 1: She stunned. She confirms with Jim, who again used to
Speaker 1: be really good friends with Todd, that it's the same guy,
Speaker 1: same birth date. They went to find a grave dot com.
Speaker 1: They found it and they confirmed it was him.
Speaker 2: But find a grave dot com. Oh huh that's a thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yes it is.
Speaker 2: Oh I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's got great. What I'm doing when I get home,
Speaker 1: I could find a grave there. Yeah, but don't begin
Speaker 1: freaky deeky with no. Okay, So, for the first time
Speaker 1: in decades, I felt like I could relax and breathe again.
Speaker 1: I had been braced for that other shoe to drop,
Speaker 1: and now it was never going to happen. What a relief,
Speaker 1: she writes. So one night last year m it was
Speaker 1: close to her and Jim's which she calls Forever Anniversary.
Speaker 1: They were sitting in the living room watching TV and
Speaker 1: the phone rang. She says, I have phone service through
Speaker 1: my cable company, so whenever someone calls, their name and
Speaker 1: number pop up on my TV screen. And it was
Speaker 1: Todd's full name and his thirty year old phone number.
Speaker 1: Oh creepy, she says. Her heart stopped. I couldn't breathe.
Speaker 1: My body was tingling from the top of my head
Speaker 1: to the tips of my fingers and toes, and the
Speaker 1: way that what you do when you feel like someone
Speaker 1: you know is watching you, but you are willing yourself
Speaker 1: not to acknowledge them or look their way. I looked
Speaker 1: at Jim, he looked at me. We both turned back
Speaker 1: to the TV to see that the name and number
Speaker 1: again was on the phone, and it continued to ring.
Speaker 1: And then they looked back at each other and they
Speaker 1: both asked each other, are you seeing this? Is this
Speaker 1: really happening? So her phone was in the bedroom, she
Speaker 1: was too scared to move and to go answer it
Speaker 1: to talk.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she never answered it.
Speaker 1: Didn't she didn't answer it, which she says. The next morning,
Speaker 1: Jim called the funeral home where Todd's funeral was held
Speaker 1: and confirmed that it did actually occur. He did die, oh,
Speaker 1: and he was able. Jim was even able to get
Speaker 1: his death certificate from the funeral home, and it says
Speaker 1: he called the number that popped up on the screen.
Speaker 1: Jim did the next day and got a recording saying
Speaker 1: that the number was not in service.
Speaker 2: Okay, so who was it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how did that happen? I know?
Speaker 2: You see, this is why I never wish death on
Speaker 2: my enemies, because it's like I want I want to
Speaker 2: I want you to stay where I can see you.
Speaker 2: This is like thirty years later, that's crazy. You know
Speaker 2: the same thing happened with me when my mom passed away.
Speaker 2: Did I tell you this story?
Speaker 1: I know you have, but I don't remember where.
Speaker 2: So after she died, I kept getting and her number
Speaker 2: was just discontinued and all that stuff, and I kept
Speaker 2: getting missed FaceTime calls from her from from her phone.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing about my mom is she had
Speaker 2: like this almost superpower that whenever I was like in
Speaker 2: the middle of a meeting, a pitch meeting or an
Speaker 2: audition or whatever, she'd always just like pick it up
Speaker 2: out of the universe and like and call me right
Speaker 2: then tried to FaceTime me and then and then if
Speaker 2: I didn't pick up, she'd just keep going and going
Speaker 2: and going and going. So the fact that like I
Speaker 2: was getting like miss FaceTime messages from her beyond you know,
Speaker 2: beyond the grave is is is uh a very fitting?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? When's the last time it happened?
Speaker 2: A few months ago?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Crazy?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have screenshots You've never answered? Uh, Well, when
Speaker 2: I when I? When I. That's the thing. I never
Speaker 2: get the call. I just get the miss the missed notifications,
Speaker 2: never get the call.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this reminds me of one of these e
Speaker 1: vps that I've found. Do you want to hear please
Speaker 1: ghost voices?
Speaker 2: This is always when I have to turn it off
Speaker 2: when I'm listening to the show because it always cruis
Speaker 2: me out. But but I'm not alone.
Speaker 1: These are feepee today. Yeah, great, it's time for ev
Speaker 1: P or ev please. Okay. So I go to YouTube.
Speaker 1: I find people's electronic voice phenomena or e vps alleged
Speaker 1: ghosts captured on audio, and I've got two of them
Speaker 1: here for you, and I want you to tell me
Speaker 1: what you hear. The one that I was thinking of
Speaker 1: that this reminded me of is okay. This first one,
Speaker 1: it comes from Martini Kiss three s ooh nice name
Speaker 1: on YouTube, and it's at the Hotel Utica in Utica.
Speaker 1: Is Itica? No, it's Utica Utica Utica, New York.
Speaker 2: Would you call me?
Speaker 1: I know? And it is now known as the Double
Speaker 1: Tree by Hilton Hotel Utica Metica. It opened in nineteen twelve.
Speaker 1: And there's so many stories. But one of the stories
Speaker 1: that I was reading about online is that hotel staff
Speaker 1: get phone calls at the front desk from some of
Speaker 1: these rooms and they answered up, they answered it it's
Speaker 1: just static, and so then they call back, they hang up,
Speaker 1: and they call back and someone answers and it's still static.
Speaker 2: Oh creepy.
Speaker 1: So that would mean that the phone would have to
Speaker 1: get picked.
Speaker 2: Up right right for them to get the static. Although
Speaker 2: that sounds like the kind of ghosts I would be,
Speaker 2: you know, ordering room service even when I'm dead.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah. Yeah. So there's also a woman housekeeper, ghosts
Speaker 1: that roams through the hallways. There's a man that wears
Speaker 1: a tuxedo in the bar, and there's a woman in
Speaker 1: white on the staircase. Classic classic. Okay, so what is
Speaker 1: this ghost saying? Okay, it's a little crack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's played again.
Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like a phone call. Now I
Speaker 1: don't think that it didn't say on this YouTube video.
Speaker 1: Wait to think of you this ghost is or where
Speaker 1: it's coming from. But okay, it's real crackle. It kind
Speaker 1: of sounds like, Oh, I'm wasted. I'm wasted. You gotta
Speaker 1: pick me up. Many. It's like a phone call coming
Speaker 1: from Applebee's at two am. Oh man, I'm wasted.
Speaker 2: So if you die tipsy, are you just drunk forever?
Speaker 1: That's a great question, you know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess it's possible. I have heard of a haunted bar
Speaker 1: or two where like somebody died because they were drunk
Speaker 1: and they like slipped and fell. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're drunk. See, but ghosts tend to act a
Speaker 1: little drunk. Yeah, we're being real here. They don't make
Speaker 1: any sense when we hear them talking. They're opening windows
Speaker 1: and just walking by, they're knocking shit over, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's possible. Okay, So here's some
Speaker 1: options of that ghost. They did not think it was.
Speaker 1: What did you think it was?
Speaker 2: I'm wasted? Is it A?
Speaker 1: Oh I know where this is going? Is it B?
Speaker 1: I know where you live? Is it C? I don't
Speaker 1: think so?
Speaker 2: Or D?
Speaker 1: Is it worth it? Let me work?
Speaker 2: I mean I want it to be D, but I
Speaker 2: would say B.
Speaker 1: Maybe so you believe that it is saying, Oh I oh,
Speaker 1: you believe it's saying I know where you live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so creepy. It's really creepy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is actually what they believe it is saying.
Speaker 1: So let me play it again.
Speaker 2: Oh totally, yeah, totally here at that time, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: know where you live.
Speaker 1: I know where you live, but with like a hard
Speaker 1: candy wrapper like in the microphone. Okay, here's another one.
Speaker 1: This one comes from Crystalline j And it is at
Speaker 1: the Crown Hill Semi Terry, which is in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Speaker 1: I was looking into this place and this is a
Speaker 1: creepy cemetery. It's haunted because well because it's the cemetery.
Speaker 1: So there's that. But it was established in eighteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: which for America, that's pretty old. I mean it's nothing
Speaker 1: comperta Yeah you were just that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I got a grandpa that'ld.
Speaker 1: They've got more than two hundred thousand graves. Wow, Benjamin
Speaker 1: Harrison is buried there? Who's that.
Speaker 2: Like? Oh?
Speaker 1: Ben Yeah, I believe it or not? A US president?
Speaker 1: Oh really, President Harris Harrison Harrison? Oh yeah, you tried,
Speaker 1: you tried? Oh President?
Speaker 2: Oh that Benjamin Harrison, co President Harris.
Speaker 1: I mean you're not going to Benjamin Harrison, who's the
Speaker 1: twenty third president?
Speaker 2: Got it? Okay?
Speaker 1: I honestly did not know that at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I yeah, I'm really bad. I I know
Speaker 2: English in French is three way better than I do
Speaker 2: American history.
Speaker 1: God. Okay, so apparently he's that. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's a ghost there. But people see the ghost of
Speaker 1: a woman wandering while holding a baby. She's looking lost
Speaker 1: with her baby, just going around. They hear children laughing
Speaker 1: and playing, and here's a ghost that somebody believes they've heard. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's another whisper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one more time. It kind of sounds like a
Speaker 2: laundry machine.
Speaker 1: I know there is that, but do you hear the whispers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like something like like
Speaker 2: before you can say something to me or something I
Speaker 2: do hear, like A.
Speaker 1: Say, okay, well here's some options. Is it a ooh,
Speaker 1: extra juicy?
Speaker 2: Is it B?
Speaker 1: Wait? Let me see?
Speaker 2: Is it C?
Speaker 1: What did you say? Or D wow? You can sing? Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I don't I don't hear
Speaker 2: any of those, but I guess I have to. What
Speaker 2: was a.
Speaker 1: Juicy?
Speaker 2: Wait? Oh yeah, extra juice. I don't think it was
Speaker 2: that one. I mean I wanted to be that one.
Speaker 1: Might be you think you think that extra juicy again?
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, I put these outrageous options in here.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that is what they Oh yeah, I'm sure, okay,
Speaker 1: let me play one more time.
Speaker 2: I just hear more syllables than than juicy. So what
Speaker 2: was B again?
Speaker 1: Maybe it was they had juicy? Could who are on?
Speaker 1: And I go ooh ju see wait let me see.
Speaker 1: Well I'll just tell you. Yeah. I mean, so there's
Speaker 1: no prize, so we don't have to try that hard.
Speaker 1: It's see what did you say?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, yeah, which I kind of yeah. I can
Speaker 2: hear that more so than yeah did you say, I mean,
Speaker 2: and that's assuming it's in English.
Speaker 1: I hear it. I don't know what did you say? Okay, well, Chris,
Speaker 1: let's let's wind on down here. Let me just uh,
Speaker 1: let me just do this thing that I've done with
Speaker 1: you a few times. I'll just say some paranormal stuff
Speaker 1: and you tell me what you're saying. Yes, please witchcraft? Um,
Speaker 1: do you think it's even paranormal? What do you think?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I I it's been around for so long I have
Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe that it's not something
Speaker 2: I I feel like, I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 2: maybe like like what's the difference between like witchcraft and
Speaker 2: also like praying for something?
Speaker 1: You know, It's like the more you get into it,
Speaker 1: the more you see how similar.
Speaker 2: Right, how much of it? Yeah, it's all at the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 1: And so much of witchcraft is like with a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff, it's so spooky because of books and
Speaker 1: movies and it's really not right.
Speaker 2: And I feel like just like witchcraft in general was
Speaker 2: just like frowned upon because it was like empowerment for
Speaker 2: women back in the day, and you know, heaven forbids.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I'm a I guess I'm a
Speaker 2: fan and I you know, I grew up and I've
Speaker 2: written a book about Witchcraft. So right, so I'm a fan.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think about time travel? Do you
Speaker 1: think it's possible? I do?
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think why I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I just desperately want it to be to be true.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it, Like I wonder if it is
Speaker 2: true yet does that make sense? Like I don't, like,
Speaker 2: are we maybe we're living in the first reality before
Speaker 2: it's been invented? Okay, does that? Does that make any sense?
Speaker 1: But would that mean this ship gets me so freaked out?
Speaker 1: It's fun because then it's like, would that mean that
Speaker 1: so it becomes the thing in the future? Ye? Could
Speaker 1: those people come back to see like would they visit
Speaker 1: us now?
Speaker 2: Would be like a vacation? Like is that right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Are they us in the future visiting us?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I like that theory. I wonder if it's I if
Speaker 2: it does exist, I think it's past humanity like I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't think like we are there when it does
Speaker 2: that make Does that make any sense?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: I think like we either evolve before it happens, or
Speaker 2: we we we're extinct before it happens. And I don't
Speaker 2: I'm not sure humanity should be trusted with time travel. No,
Speaker 2: you know, like you think of like all you know,
Speaker 2: how political it would get, and you know, and they
Speaker 2: film the wrong hands, like you know, you'd races of
Speaker 2: people could could could you know, disappear and you know
Speaker 2: all that right? Or have they you know?
Speaker 1: I know I think about that all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what if somebody messed something up? Yeah? I actually like
Speaker 1: it kind of freaks me out every time I think
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: If you could go back in time and change one thing?
Speaker 2: What would it be if you were thought of me?
Speaker 1: But that's one of those things where it's like you
Speaker 1: can't answer that correctly, Yeah, because people go, then what
Speaker 1: about this thing? Why wouldn't you say that? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I don't. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I am comfortable answering that question because I will never
Speaker 1: be able to say it right. Yeah, what would you?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I mean the twenty sixteen election comes
Speaker 2: to mind, but I honestly I'd go back and just
Speaker 2: like kill the first mosquito. I like we don't need them.
Speaker 2: They do nothing for us. They love me more than
Speaker 2: ghosts do.
Speaker 1: Really, yes, I go ooh extra juicy.
Speaker 2: They are like oh Nola bean. Yeah yeah, I'm actually
Speaker 2: reading this book right now called The Mosquito and it's
Speaker 2: fascinating about how just how like mosquitoes are like the
Speaker 2: number one killer of the number one predator of human beings.
Speaker 2: Is it a nonfiction it's a nonfiction book. Yeah, really yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Mosquitoes they and and they like you think of all
Speaker 2: the diseases they've spread and like and like we have
Speaker 2: the technology to wipe them out. But it's like a controversial,
Speaker 2: uh issue, because you know Noah's arc like that's really
Speaker 2: the only reason.
Speaker 1: There are mosquitoes and Noah's are well, there must have been.
Speaker 1: I guess there must have ben So how do you
Speaker 1: do the role call and make sure that the mosquitoes
Speaker 1: are there? I know, right, there's sorry, that's another time. Okay,
Speaker 1: what about sleep paralysis you were saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I have major sleep prolysis, and it's
Speaker 2: it's terrifying absolutely, Like, like there are many times when
Speaker 2: like I will like half my brain will wake up,
Speaker 2: but the rest of me won't wake up. So I'm
Speaker 2: just paralyzed, and I'm just like and like and you know,
Speaker 2: you know, usually like when you're asleep, you breathe less. Ye,
Speaker 2: so like it just feels like you're suffocating because you're
Speaker 2: not getting the air that that you need when you're conscious.
Speaker 2: And there's so many there's so many times because you
Speaker 2: can control your breathing a little bit when you're under
Speaker 2: sleep prolysis, when I will like try to breathe as
Speaker 2: hard and as loudly as I can, hoping that that
Speaker 2: my boyfriend will will wake up and help me wake
Speaker 2: up the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: But I hate it.
Speaker 2: It is it is is awful. I hate sleep prouses.
Speaker 1: But have you seen like do you believe that it
Speaker 1: could be paranormal? It could be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say, like every time that I have
Speaker 2: woken up and seen something like at the foot of
Speaker 2: my bed, it uh, it has has not been the
Speaker 2: paralyzed version that I also have experienced, So I mean
Speaker 2: both could be different types of paranormal stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. God, I still have not had sleep prelesses.
Speaker 2: You're so lucky. It is awful. I've had it. I
Speaker 2: actually I haven't had it in a while. But usually
Speaker 2: it happens, like if I'm like stressed out about something,
Speaker 2: it'll happen. But it is. It is terrifying when the
Speaker 2: question is always how do you sleep?
Speaker 1: So on your back?
Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I sleep on my back usually. Usually
Speaker 2: that's just that's it. I know, I know, that's that's
Speaker 2: my first my first problem. I just wake up in
Speaker 2: a pool of drool.
Speaker 1: But no demon, I'm a.
Speaker 2: I'm an aging child star. So I try not to
Speaker 2: like sleep on my face, so you know, to create lines.
Speaker 1: Well, I used to be like, oh, just get bowtogs,
Speaker 1: but then I learned from getting botogs that you can't
Speaker 1: sleep on your face of your boatogs.
Speaker 2: Oh really, so oh good to know.
Speaker 1: Well, so I I I got boatogs and then I
Speaker 1: was told that after it was already in my face,
Speaker 1: did it like push it or well? No? I like,
Speaker 1: once I got the bowtox, They're like, all right, just
Speaker 1: make sure you sleep on your back, don't sleep on
Speaker 1: your face. And I was like, wait, this is how
Speaker 1: demons crawl on top of you at night. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to sleep on my back. So if I get
Speaker 1: anything done to my face, I then sleep on my
Speaker 1: back for a couple of nights on my couch and
Speaker 1: let it settle with a sleep mat just in case,
Speaker 1: because if something's going on, I don't want to see it.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious to me that you don't want to see it.
Speaker 2: I would think that you'd really want to see it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. You know, I did have an experience a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago during the middle of the night
Speaker 1: that was in my bedroom. That was a ghost, I believe,
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a sleep paralysis thing, I don't think,
Speaker 1: But I just don't the things that people describe to
Speaker 1: me that they see crawling on them or sitting on
Speaker 1: them or in the corner of their room when they
Speaker 1: have sleep Prolysses, you can get real scary. Whoever that
Speaker 1: is that appears to people, the old hag, the demon whatever,
Speaker 1: They have been waiting for the moment they can catch
Speaker 1: me on my back. Yeah, and it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, not today, Satan. Literally, we got to get you,
Speaker 2: like a massage bed to sleep in.
Speaker 1: That would be great.
Speaker 2: Is coming up and I know where to get you.
Speaker 1: Well, Chris, this has been lovely so as always the
Speaker 1: third installment. I can't wait to hear what other adventures,
Speaker 1: what other terrifying places you're gonna go for fun.
Speaker 2: Please report, but you'll be the first to know, I promise,
Speaker 2: and we.
Speaker 1: Need to go to one of these together.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you know what yah book coming out
Speaker 1: or is it out? Do? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do this October I have the the tenth
Speaker 2: anniversary of the first Land of Stories book is coming out,
Speaker 2: so I'll be out about promoting that.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't believe it's been ten years. Jeez, I
Speaker 2: know you, but then also it feels like fifty years
Speaker 2: at the same time. So I'm you know, I can
Speaker 2: and I can't.
Speaker 1: It's so great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this. Thank you so much to Chris Colfer.
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