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Speaker 1: it is Halloween time, I'm going with it. How you doing,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great because my friend Chris Colfer is back

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Speaker 1: on the show. We all love him, including the ghosts.

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Speaker 1: Ghosts can't get enough of Chris Colfer. He has had

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Speaker 1: iconic episodes. He was on like a year ago ish

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Speaker 1: so much, so I say we just get into this

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Speaker 1: episode on Patreon this week. No bonus clip from this episode.

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Speaker 1: But I'm still doing my weekly episodes where I'm looking

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Speaker 1: into different states state by state. I just did Hawaii

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Speaker 1: and check it out link in the description. Also, there

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Speaker 1: will be a video version of this episode. We literally

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Speaker 1: Those are just I mean, I usually link them in

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Speaker 1: and type in Ghosted by ROZs. Fernandez, you'll find the episodes. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me, Thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: back on. You said you have more stories, which I

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Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that you've come back. You brought notes,

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Speaker 1: You know another thing I was thinking about with you

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But all right, well, let's hear your news stories

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Speaker 1: and we'll see if I doubt.

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Speaker 1: So this is a ten, you would say on the

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Speaker 2: Say a nine because there's still that that small you

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Speaker 1: You know, I am very pale right now and it's

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I turned thirty in the pandemic and had

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Speaker 1: So that is what I would do if I was

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Speaker 2: We did go to Lockness? Yes, we took We took

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Speaker 1: You know. Miss Lockness was in the news recently. She was,

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Speaker 2: Oh right, well that's what that's what it's believed that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I what I went through that

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Speaker 2: why have I never thought about that? Like that makes

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Speaker 1: It's probably Johnny L. Tenney.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that was right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think about that all the time. With

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm I'm all for that.

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Speaker 1: There's no other way of explaining that.

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Speaker 2: And then all you can do all that stuff like

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Speaker 1: Oh? Alistair Crow? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, so you know something's going on in

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Speaker 1: Well I have faith in you that you will one

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Speaker 1: day meet Nasty. I hope.

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00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 2: So I'm a big fan.

439
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Well what else you got on that list from me?

440
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 2: Well?

441
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

442
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: We also visited Done Robin Castle, which.

443
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 1: Was done Robin Done, Robin, I am done. I'm done, Batman,

444
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: I'm done Robin.

445
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 2: When they broke up it So when I was growing up,

446
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: we had this framed photo of Robin castle in the

447
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: entryway of my childhood home, and my parents always joked

448
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 2: that it was like our family castle and then le Scottish,

449
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 2: I am Scottish.

450
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

451
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,959
Speaker 2: Later I found out my mom just got it at

452
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: a garage sale and I thought it was pretty. It

453
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with us, and I was horribly disappointed. Anyways,

454
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: so I've always wanted to go visit it, and so

455
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 2: we went, and uh, it is breath taking, it is.

456
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: It is like a French chateau, like on the Scottish

457
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 2: coast and just gorgeous. And that's where I saw the

458
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: plaque that the Haunted Room plaque was was at that

459
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 2: castle because many years ago. The story is whatever lord

460
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: lived there, his daughter wanted to marry like a commoner,

461
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: so he locked her in this tower and she tried

462
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 2: to escape and fell to her death, and so they

463
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 2: say she haunts the dun Robin to this day. But

464
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: it's hilarious because the owners after the lord turned it

465
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 2: into a nursery this this tower, as past one does.

466
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: That's so often the case, yeah, because you.

467
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: Know, why not, And so it's like the Haunted room

468
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 2: slash nursery and there's like the room is full of

469
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: like dolls and and like bassinettes, and it's just it's

470
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: just like it's just it's almost like it's been decorated

471
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: by a gussette set designer.

472
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: So the lady, she's just hanging around with the dolls.

473
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess there's

474
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: no proof that it's her, but I mean that, I mean,

475
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 2: all signs point to you know, she died tragically, so

476
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: she's she's sticking around.

477
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

478
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: Well I love that they have the Haunted Room plaque

479
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: and that hilarious.

480
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: I think that that's I like that. I like the transparency.

481
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: I like embracing it. Yeah, too many people. But then

482
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: there's also a part of me that likes it when

483
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: they don't. And it's like, I know a little dirty secret.

484
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: I know that there's a lady that fell out of

485
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: this window.

486
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, I definitely loved how they

487
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: embrace it and how it's just like it's just like

488
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: it's not even there's no stigma. It's just it's just

489
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 2: like talking about the weather. It's like, oh yeah, yeah,

490
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 2: it's on it. Yeah, oh yeah the white Lady.

491
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but then that's not Yeah, the white lady.

492
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: But that is that spooky, I guess. So yeah, I

493
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: feel like there has to be a little bit of

494
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: stigma if we want to keep this ship.

495
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: There has to be a little bit of fear behind

496
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: the eyes for it to be entertaining.

497
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: Because you're just like, oh, it's just normal. Then it's like, yeah,

498
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: it's just Jerry, yeah, which is what I always think

499
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: about with Bigfoot and Lockness. It's like, oh yeah, it's

500
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: just like a species. Yeah. Like no, it's fun when

501
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: it's like.

502
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, magical, yeah, yeah, dangerous.

503
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: Tell me Mark, Okay, I have one more.

504
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 2: We took this thing called the City of the Dead

505
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: tour in Edinburgh and dying to go there. Oh it's

506
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: it's your dream. It is so neat the history and

507
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: just I mean just a beautiful city in general, but

508
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: all the dark history of it is just fascinating. Uh.

509
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: The thing that I'm sure you've heard about it the

510
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: tombs underneath Edinburgh, So like basically like there was a

511
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: whole city that they just built on top of, and

512
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: so there was like over a thousand like tombs underground,

513
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,719
Speaker 2: and like in the seventeen hundreds and the eighteen hundreds,

514
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 2: basically all the society's rejects, the poor, the diseased, the criminals,

515
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: the prostitutes all just kind of lived down there because

516
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 2: they had nowhere else to go. And at the time,

517
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: they couldn't even leave the city because there was a

518
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: really strict exit tax where you'd have to like pay

519
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: like you basically give the city all your money in

520
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: order to leave it. And so it was just like

521
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: the cesspool of just like sin and crime, and it

522
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: was just really really eerie. And they say that once

523
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: someone went there, they only lasted about six months before

524
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: they either died some horrible death by disease or they

525
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 2: were murdered. Yeah, it's just really really bad bad juju.

526
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: So we took a tour, Yeah, let's go vacation, and

527
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: it was so creepy because it's like you're you walking

528
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: through like these stone corridors that are just like one

529
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: hundred feet underground, and you can see like there are

530
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: like scratches on the walls of people when they were

531
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: like attacked. There are like someone like put tally marks

532
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: on the bricks of how long they'd been down there.

533
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: And they said that because it was you know, it's freezing,

534
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: that they would they would have they would burn like

535
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: firewood down there, and like they would all just like

536
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: die of a affixiation because because of the smoke would

537
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: just feel you know anyway. So it was really really creepy,

538
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: and it was kind of funny because, uh, it was

539
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: at one point, at one point that the tour was

540
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: like right underneath like this like club and it was

541
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: like country western night, so we could hear like like

542
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: the hanky panky like coming through the walls, which that

543
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: kind of took took away from the from the fact,

544
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: but it also for me added an eerie element because

545
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: it was like like these people like they were they

546
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: were that close like to like so like to like

547
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: the real society, like like people had like people living

548
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: under underneath their home and like like think like like

549
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: they would hear people like you know, celebrating and having

550
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: you know, festivities to a few feet above their head,

551
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: but they were you know, like these mole people just

552
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: scratching their watching their way out.

553
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

554
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: So highly recommend that I.

555
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: Don't like to go to any place where there's not

556
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: a quick exit, yeah yeah.

557
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: And this was like winding, so they even like warn

558
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: you like there's no way out.

559
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

560
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: So and it gets a little claustrophobic sometimes because they're

561
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: really it gets really narrow. But I mean, I think

562
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: you'd love it because it's just like it's just you.

563
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: Don't even like going against subways.

564
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: Oh then yeah, you wouldn't like this at all.

565
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: Subways freak me out.

566
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is this is like subway on steroids.

567
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm talking about sub boy eat friend.

568
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: No, no, of course.

569
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: Okay, wait where else did you go?

570
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 2: So on the same tour we went to I think

571
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: it was the Greyfriar Cemetery. It's it's called Grayfriar Cemetery

572
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: because back in the day the monks that ran it

573
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: or gray robes, so they call it Gray Friars. So

574
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: not not very creative, but you know, and that's home

575
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: of the Mackenzie Poultrygeist. Have you heard of Themckinzie Poltrygeist?

576
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: Which one is this?

577
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: So he sried, giving a history lesson?

578
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh please?

579
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: So, and like I think the seventeen hundreds, there's this

580
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: group called and I'm it's been a while since I

581
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: heard the story, so forgive me. My facts aren't completely straight.

582
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: But the cliff notes version is there was this group

583
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: called the Covenants, I believe, and they were fighting for

584
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: you know, territory and religious freedom and you know, you know,

585
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: freedom to govern themselves within Scotland. And they lost this horrible,

586
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: horrible battle, and so this guy named Lord Mackenzie sentenced

587
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: them all that the survivors to basically be prisoners outside

588
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: in this this cemetery. So these people were just exposed

589
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: to the elements for years and years and just burned

590
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: and starved and froze very very much and was like

591
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: a kind of like concentration camp. But but uh out

592
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: you know, more more outdoors and uh so anyway, so

593
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: so you know, just unimaginable suffering happened in this in

594
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: this cemetery. And then when Lord McKenzie died, he was

595
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: actually buried in that cemetery, which I think is just

596
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: very uh ironic anyway, So if you I think, I

597
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: think in the nineties, like like like twenty thirty something

598
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: years ago, the homeless man wandered into the cemetery trying

599
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: to find shelter to get out of the storm, and

600
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: he went into this this uh this mausoleum where Lord

601
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: McKenzie was buried, and apparently like he like fell through

602
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: the floor and like opened the casket and the body

603
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: was disturbed, and ever since that happened, there had just

604
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: been crazy, crazy experiences that if that have happened in

605
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: this cemetery, wow. Yeah. And it's considered by a lot

606
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: of people to be the most haunted place in the

607
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: world because people will go and they'll like, they'll they'll

608
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: they'll faint, they'll they'll get lightheaded, they'll they'll become nauseous.

609
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: People will leave and then they have bruises all over

610
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: their body that they can't explain. So Ms McKenzie's not

611
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: a very nice nice gal.

612
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And so once again you said, let's

613
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: go sign me up, let me spend my vacation.

614
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it it was kind of sad because during

615
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: this tour we were also jet lagged. We were basically

616
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: just like the walking dead anyway, so we didn't quite

617
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: you know, get the full experience that I was hoping for.

618
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: But it was a lot of fun.

619
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: That is terrifying the mackenzie polter guys. So it wasn't

620
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: even until the nineties when when it was disturbed. It

621
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: wasn't haunted before that, not.

622
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: That I'm aware of. I think it was like that

623
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: homeless guy disturbed the grave and then a few years later,

624
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: this is actually kind of funny to like, college kids

625
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: were messing around and they went into the mausoleum and

626
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: they took apart the body and one of them performed

627
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: sexual acts to the school. So I think that that

628
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: probably pissed.

629
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: Him off because I could have something to do with Yeah, yeah,

630
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: so yeah.

631
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: So he's he's pretty pissed. But they also say like, like,

632
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: no one's sure if it's actually even though it's called

633
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: the McKenzie Poldier guys, no one's actually sure if it's

634
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: actually Lord Mackenzie because there was so much suffering that

635
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: was done, you know, by him or caused by him,

636
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: that it might be someone one of the one of

637
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: the prisoners that's it's doing all this, or a combination

638
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: of the prisoners.

639
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: But it could just be a mass energy, right right.

640
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but so far everyone gives him the credit.

641
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So basically, don't stick your giblets and

642
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: skulls of dead people.

643
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean that should be a given. Well now,

644
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: but now we have now we have proof.

645
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: Finally, Well remember that. Hey, can I read you a

646
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: story please? Yes? Okay. This one came from a listener

647
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: named Diane from Kentucky. So, Dan, Dian's a great writer

648
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: and wrote a bunch of details, So I'm just going

649
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: to paraphrase some sections. But basically, she dated this guy

650
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: named Todd back in the eighties and he ended up

651
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: being a real asshole. He was abusive. It was just bad,

652
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: So Diane, Yeah, I know. But so Todd's best friend

653
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: was named Jim. So she writes, Jim and I had

654
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: been friendly while I was dating Todd, and after the breakup,

655
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: we grew closer and our friendship developed into love. Six

656
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: weeks after our first date we got married. Todd was

657
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: pissed and he felt betrayed by us. He was very

658
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: angry and very bitter. So she said that he would

659
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: call over the years, and this is like pre call

660
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: her Ida or whatever. So she would just like pick

661
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: up and it would be him, and he'd be saying

662
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: all these awful things, and it was usually around his

663
00:31:53,280 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: birthday or she and Jim's anniversary, and it effect her

664
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: for a while, but eventually, you know, time went on

665
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: and she got over it. But she writes that he

666
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: would call several homes. She changed her phone number, or

667
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: not well, her phone number changed because she kept moving

668
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: and she stopped hearing from him eventually and he disappeared

669
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: off the map. Was great, and then several years later

670
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: she and Jim divorced, but they remained extremely close friends

671
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: and they still lived together, which is sweet. So many

672
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: years later she looks him up on social media because

673
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: she was already like looking up other people from that time,

674
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm just gonna block him just

675
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: in case, you never know, he could still be out there.

676
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: She can find him, so she googles him and then

677
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: she finds out he's dead. Oh no, she finds his obituary.

678
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: She stunned. She confirms with Jim, who again used to

679
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: be really good friends with Todd, that it's the same guy,

680
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: same birth date. They went to find a grave dot com.

681
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: They found it and they confirmed it was him.

682
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: But find a grave dot com. Oh huh that's a thing.

683
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: Oh yes it is.

684
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: Oh I've never heard of that.

685
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: Yes, it's got great. What I'm doing when I get home,

686
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: I could find a grave there. Yeah, but don't begin

687
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: freaky deeky with no. Okay, So, for the first time

688
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: in decades, I felt like I could relax and breathe again.

689
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: I had been braced for that other shoe to drop,

690
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: and now it was never going to happen. What a relief,

691
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: she writes. So one night last year m it was

692
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: close to her and Jim's which she calls Forever Anniversary.

693
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: They were sitting in the living room watching TV and

694
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: the phone rang. She says, I have phone service through

695
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: my cable company, so whenever someone calls, their name and

696
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: number pop up on my TV screen. And it was

697
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: Todd's full name and his thirty year old phone number.

698
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: Oh creepy, she says. Her heart stopped. I couldn't breathe.

699
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: My body was tingling from the top of my head

700
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: to the tips of my fingers and toes, and the

701
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: way that what you do when you feel like someone

702
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: you know is watching you, but you are willing yourself

703
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: not to acknowledge them or look their way. I looked

704
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: at Jim, he looked at me. We both turned back

705
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: to the TV to see that the name and number

706
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: again was on the phone, and it continued to ring.

707
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: And then they looked back at each other and they

708
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: both asked each other, are you seeing this? Is this

709
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: really happening? So her phone was in the bedroom, she

710
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: was too scared to move and to go answer it

711
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: to talk.

712
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, she never answered it.

713
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: Didn't she didn't answer it, which she says. The next morning,

714
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: Jim called the funeral home where Todd's funeral was held

715
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: and confirmed that it did actually occur. He did die, oh,

716
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: and he was able. Jim was even able to get

717
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: his death certificate from the funeral home, and it says

718
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: he called the number that popped up on the screen.

719
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: Jim did the next day and got a recording saying

720
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: that the number was not in service.

721
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so who was it?

722
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how did that happen? I know?

723
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: You see, this is why I never wish death on

724
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: my enemies, because it's like I want I want to

725
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: I want you to stay where I can see you.

726
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: This is like thirty years later, that's crazy. You know

727
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: the same thing happened with me when my mom passed away.

728
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: Did I tell you this story?

729
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: I know you have, but I don't remember where.

730
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: So after she died, I kept getting and her number

731
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: was just discontinued and all that stuff, and I kept

732
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: getting missed FaceTime calls from her from from her phone.

733
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: And the funny thing about my mom is she had

734
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: like this almost superpower that whenever I was like in

735
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: the middle of a meeting, a pitch meeting or an

736
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: audition or whatever, she'd always just like pick it up

737
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: out of the universe and like and call me right

738
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: then tried to FaceTime me and then and then if

739
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: I didn't pick up, she'd just keep going and going

740
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: and going and going. So the fact that like I

741
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: was getting like miss FaceTime messages from her beyond you know,

742
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: beyond the grave is is is uh a very fitting?

743
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god? When's the last time it happened?

744
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: A few months ago?

745
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

746
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 2: Crazy?

747
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: What?

748
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have screenshots You've never answered? Uh, Well, when

749
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: I when I? When I. That's the thing. I never

750
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: get the call. I just get the miss the missed notifications,

751
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: never get the call.

752
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this reminds me of one of these e

753
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: vps that I've found. Do you want to hear please

754
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: ghost voices?

755
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: This is always when I have to turn it off

756
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: when I'm listening to the show because it always cruis

757
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 2: me out. But but I'm not alone.

758
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: These are feepee today. Yeah, great, it's time for ev

759
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: P or ev please. Okay. So I go to YouTube.

760
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: I find people's electronic voice phenomena or e vps alleged

761
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: ghosts captured on audio, and I've got two of them

762
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: here for you, and I want you to tell me

763
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: what you hear. The one that I was thinking of

764
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: that this reminded me of is okay. This first one,

765
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: it comes from Martini Kiss three s ooh nice name

766
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: on YouTube, and it's at the Hotel Utica in Utica.

767
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: Is Itica? No, it's Utica Utica Utica, New York.

768
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: Would you call me?

769
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: I know? And it is now known as the Double

770
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: Tree by Hilton Hotel Utica Metica. It opened in nineteen twelve.

771
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: And there's so many stories. But one of the stories

772
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: that I was reading about online is that hotel staff

773
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: get phone calls at the front desk from some of

774
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: these rooms and they answered up, they answered it it's

775
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: just static, and so then they call back, they hang up,

776
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: and they call back and someone answers and it's still static.

777
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: Oh creepy.

778
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: So that would mean that the phone would have to

779
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: get picked.

780
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: Up right right for them to get the static. Although

781
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: that sounds like the kind of ghosts I would be,

782
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, ordering room service even when I'm dead.

783
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: Hell yeah. Yeah. So there's also a woman housekeeper, ghosts

784
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: that roams through the hallways. There's a man that wears

785
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: a tuxedo in the bar, and there's a woman in

786
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: white on the staircase. Classic classic. Okay, so what is

787
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: this ghost saying? Okay, it's a little crack.

788
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's played again.

789
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like a phone call. Now I

790
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: don't think that it didn't say on this YouTube video.

791
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: Wait to think of you this ghost is or where

792
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: it's coming from. But okay, it's real crackle. It kind

793
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: of sounds like, Oh, I'm wasted. I'm wasted. You gotta

794
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: pick me up. Many. It's like a phone call coming

795
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: from Applebee's at two am. Oh man, I'm wasted.

796
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: So if you die tipsy, are you just drunk forever?

797
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: That's a great question, you know, I don't know. I

798
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: guess it's possible. I have heard of a haunted bar

799
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: or two where like somebody died because they were drunk

800
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: and they like slipped and fell. But I don't know

801
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: if they're drunk. See, but ghosts tend to act a

802
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: little drunk. Yeah, we're being real here. They don't make

803
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: any sense when we hear them talking. They're opening windows

804
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: and just walking by, they're knocking shit over, you know

805
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's possible. Okay, So here's some

806
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: options of that ghost. They did not think it was.

807
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: What did you think it was?

808
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: I'm wasted? Is it A?

809
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh I know where this is going? Is it B?

810
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: I know where you live? Is it C? I don't

811
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: think so?

812
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: Or D?

813
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 1: Is it worth it? Let me work?

814
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: I mean I want it to be D, but I

815
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: would say B.

816
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: Maybe so you believe that it is saying, Oh I oh,

817
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: you believe it's saying I know where you live.

818
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so creepy. It's really creepy.

819
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is actually what they believe it is saying.

820
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: So let me play it again.

821
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 2: Oh totally, yeah, totally here at that time, Yeah, I

822
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: know where you live.

823
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: I know where you live, but with like a hard

824
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: candy wrapper like in the microphone. Okay, here's another one.

825
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: This one comes from Crystalline j And it is at

826
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: the Crown Hill Semi Terry, which is in Indianapolis, Indiana.

827
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: I was looking into this place and this is a

828
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: creepy cemetery. It's haunted because well because it's the cemetery.

829
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: So there's that. But it was established in eighteen sixty three,

830
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 1: which for America, that's pretty old. I mean it's nothing

831
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: comperta Yeah you were just that.

832
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I got a grandpa that'ld.

833
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: They've got more than two hundred thousand graves. Wow, Benjamin

834
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: Harrison is buried there? Who's that.

835
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: Like? Oh?

836
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: Ben Yeah, I believe it or not? A US president?

837
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: Oh really, President Harris Harrison Harrison? Oh yeah, you tried,

838
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: you tried? Oh President?

839
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: Oh that Benjamin Harrison, co President Harris.

840
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean you're not going to Benjamin Harrison, who's the

841
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: twenty third president?

842
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: Got it? Okay?

843
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: I honestly did not know that at all.

844
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I yeah, I'm really bad. I I know

845
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: English in French is three way better than I do

846
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: American history.

847
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: God. Okay, so apparently he's that. I don't know that

848
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: he's a ghost there. But people see the ghost of

849
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: a woman wandering while holding a baby. She's looking lost

850
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: with her baby, just going around. They hear children laughing

851
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: and playing, and here's a ghost that somebody believes they've heard. Okay,

852
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: it's another whisper.

853
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, one more time. It kind of sounds like a

854
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: laundry machine.

855
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: I know there is that, but do you hear the whispers.

856
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like something like like

857
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: before you can say something to me or something I

858
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: do hear, like A.

859
00:42:51,680 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: Say, okay, well here's some options. Is it a ooh,

860
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: extra juicy?

861
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: Is it B?

862
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: Wait? Let me see?

863
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: Is it C?

864
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: What did you say? Or D wow? You can sing? Okay,

865
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: here we go.

866
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I don't I don't hear

867
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: any of those, but I guess I have to. What

868
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: was a.

869
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: Juicy?

870
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: Wait? Oh yeah, extra juice. I don't think it was

871
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 2: that one. I mean I wanted to be that one.

872
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 1: Might be you think you think that extra juicy again?

873
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, I put these outrageous options in here.

874
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes that is what they Oh yeah, I'm sure, okay,

875
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: let me play one more time.

876
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: I just hear more syllables than than juicy. So what

877
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: was B again?

878
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it was they had juicy? Could who are on?

879
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: And I go ooh ju see wait let me see.

880
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: Well I'll just tell you. Yeah. I mean, so there's

881
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: no prize, so we don't have to try that hard.

882
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: It's see what did you say?

883
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, yeah, which I kind of yeah. I can

884
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: hear that more so than yeah did you say, I mean,

885
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: and that's assuming it's in English.

886
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: I hear it. I don't know what did you say? Okay, well, Chris,

887
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: let's let's wind on down here. Let me just uh,

888
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: let me just do this thing that I've done with

889
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: you a few times. I'll just say some paranormal stuff

890
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: and you tell me what you're saying. Yes, please witchcraft? Um,

891
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: do you think it's even paranormal? What do you think?

892
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

893
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: I I it's been around for so long I have

894
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe that it's not something

895
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: I I feel like, I don't know. I feel like

896
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: maybe like like what's the difference between like witchcraft and

897
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: also like praying for something?

898
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: You know, It's like the more you get into it,

899
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: the more you see how similar.

900
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: Right, how much of it? Yeah, it's all at the

901
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: same thing.

902
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: And so much of witchcraft is like with a lot

903
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: of this stuff, it's so spooky because of books and

904
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: movies and it's really not right.

905
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: And I feel like just like witchcraft in general was

906
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: just like frowned upon because it was like empowerment for

907
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: women back in the day, and you know, heaven forbids.

908
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I'm a I guess I'm a

909
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: fan and I you know, I grew up and I've

910
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: written a book about Witchcraft. So right, so I'm a fan.

911
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think about time travel? Do you

912
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: think it's possible? I do?

913
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think why I don't know.

914
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.

915
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: I think.

916
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: I think.

917
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: I just desperately want it to be to be true.

918
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: I wonder if it, Like I wonder if it is

919
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: true yet does that make sense? Like I don't, like,

920
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: are we maybe we're living in the first reality before

921
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: it's been invented? Okay, does that? Does that make any sense?

922
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: But would that mean this ship gets me so freaked out?

923
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: It's fun because then it's like, would that mean that

924
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: so it becomes the thing in the future? Ye? Could

925
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: those people come back to see like would they visit

926
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: us now?

927
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: Would be like a vacation? Like is that right?

928
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: Right?

929
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: Are they us in the future visiting us?

930
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: Yeah?

931
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: I like that theory. I wonder if it's I if

932
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: it does exist, I think it's past humanity like I don't,

933
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: I don't think like we are there when it does

934
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: that make Does that make any sense?

935
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Like?

936
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: I think like we either evolve before it happens, or

937
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: we we we're extinct before it happens. And I don't

938
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: I'm not sure humanity should be trusted with time travel. No,

939
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: you know, like you think of like all you know,

940
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: how political it would get, and you know, and they

941
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: film the wrong hands, like you know, you'd races of

942
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: people could could could you know, disappear and you know

943
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: all that right? Or have they you know?

944
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: I know I think about that all the time. Yeah,

945
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: what if somebody messed something up? Yeah? I actually like

946
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: it kind of freaks me out every time I think

947
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: about it.

948
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: If you could go back in time and change one thing?

949
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: What would it be if you were thought of me?

950
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: But that's one of those things where it's like you

951
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: can't answer that correctly, Yeah, because people go, then what

952
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: about this thing? Why wouldn't you say that? Yeah? Yeah,

953
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I don't. I don't feel like

954
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: I am comfortable answering that question because I will never

955
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: be able to say it right. Yeah, what would you?

956
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I mean the twenty sixteen election comes

957
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: to mind, but I honestly I'd go back and just

958
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: like kill the first mosquito. I like we don't need them.

959
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: They do nothing for us. They love me more than

960
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: ghosts do.

961
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: Really, yes, I go ooh extra juicy.

962
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: They are like oh Nola bean. Yeah yeah, I'm actually

963
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: reading this book right now called The Mosquito and it's

964
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: fascinating about how just how like mosquitoes are like the

965
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: number one killer of the number one predator of human beings.

966
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: Is it a nonfiction it's a nonfiction book. Yeah, really yeah, yeah.

967
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: Mosquitoes they and and they like you think of all

968
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: the diseases they've spread and like and like we have

969
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: the technology to wipe them out. But it's like a controversial,

970
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: uh issue, because you know Noah's arc like that's really

971
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: the only reason.

972
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: There are mosquitoes and Noah's are well, there must have been.

973
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: I guess there must have ben So how do you

974
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: do the role call and make sure that the mosquitoes

975
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: are there? I know, right, there's sorry, that's another time. Okay,

976
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: what about sleep paralysis you were saying.

977
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I have major sleep prolysis, and it's

978
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: it's terrifying absolutely, Like, like there are many times when

979
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: like I will like half my brain will wake up,

980
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 2: but the rest of me won't wake up. So I'm

981
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: just paralyzed, and I'm just like and like and you know,

982
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: you know, usually like when you're asleep, you breathe less. Ye,

983
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: so like it just feels like you're suffocating because you're

984
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: not getting the air that that you need when you're conscious.

985
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: And there's so many there's so many times because you

986
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: can control your breathing a little bit when you're under

987
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: sleep prolysis, when I will like try to breathe as

988
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: hard and as loudly as I can, hoping that that

989
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: my boyfriend will will wake up and help me wake

990
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: up the rest of the way.

991
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: But I hate it.

992
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: It is it is is awful. I hate sleep prouses.

993
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: But have you seen like do you believe that it

994
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: could be paranormal? It could be.

995
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say, like every time that I have

996
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: woken up and seen something like at the foot of

997
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: my bed, it uh, it has has not been the

998
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: paralyzed version that I also have experienced, So I mean

999
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 2: both could be different types of paranormal stuff.

1000
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. God, I still have not had sleep prelesses.

1001
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: You're so lucky. It is awful. I've had it. I

1002
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 2: actually I haven't had it in a while. But usually

1003
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 2: it happens, like if I'm like stressed out about something,

1004
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: it'll happen. But it is. It is terrifying when the

1005
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: question is always how do you sleep?

1006
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: So on your back?

1007
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I sleep on my back usually. Usually

1008
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: that's just that's it. I know, I know, that's that's

1009
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: my first my first problem. I just wake up in

1010
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: a pool of drool.

1011
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: But no demon, I'm a.

1012
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: I'm an aging child star. So I try not to

1013
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: like sleep on my face, so you know, to create lines.

1014
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: Well, I used to be like, oh, just get bowtogs,

1015
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: but then I learned from getting botogs that you can't

1016
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: sleep on your face of your boatogs.

1017
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: Oh really, so oh good to know.

1018
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: Well, so I I I got boatogs and then I

1019
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: was told that after it was already in my face,

1020
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: did it like push it or well? No? I like,

1021
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: once I got the bowtox, They're like, all right, just

1022
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: make sure you sleep on your back, don't sleep on

1023
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: your face. And I was like, wait, this is how

1024
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: demons crawl on top of you at night. I'm not

1025
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: going to sleep on my back. So if I get

1026
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: anything done to my face, I then sleep on my

1027
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: back for a couple of nights on my couch and

1028
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: let it settle with a sleep mat just in case,

1029
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: because if something's going on, I don't want to see it.

1030
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: That's hilarious to me that you don't want to see it.

1031
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: I would think that you'd really want to see it.

1032
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. You know, I did have an experience a

1033
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: couple of months ago during the middle of the night

1034
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: that was in my bedroom. That was a ghost, I believe,

1035
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a sleep paralysis thing, I don't think,

1036
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: But I just don't the things that people describe to

1037
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: me that they see crawling on them or sitting on

1038
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: them or in the corner of their room when they

1039
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: have sleep Prolysses, you can get real scary. Whoever that

1040
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: is that appears to people, the old hag, the demon whatever,

1041
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: They have been waiting for the moment they can catch

1042
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: me on my back. Yeah, and it's not gonna happen.

1043
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, not today, Satan. Literally, we got to get you,

1044
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: like a massage bed to sleep in.

1045
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: That would be great.

1046
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: Is coming up and I know where to get you.

1047
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: Well, Chris, this has been lovely so as always the

1048
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: third installment. I can't wait to hear what other adventures,

1049
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: what other terrifying places you're gonna go for fun.

1050
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 2: Please report, but you'll be the first to know, I promise,

1051
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: and we.

1052
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: Need to go to one of these together.

1053
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: Yes, let's do it.

1054
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you know what yah book coming out

1055
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: or is it out? Do? Oh?

1056
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do this October I have the the tenth

1057
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: anniversary of the first Land of Stories book is coming out,

1058
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: so I'll be out about promoting that.

1059
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: Amazing.

1060
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: Well, I can't believe it's been ten years. Jeez, I

1061
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: know you, but then also it feels like fifty years

1062
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: at the same time. So I'm you know, I can

1063
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 2: and I can't.

1064
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 1: It's so great.

1065
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

1066
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this. Thank you so much to Chris Colfer.

1067
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: Are you subscribed to the show. Please follow this show,

1068
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: tell your friends about it. Let's get it going for

1069
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Halloween time, and please rate the show five stars. Hey,

1070
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: special thank you to Diane for sending me that ghost story.

1071
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: I would love to read your ghost story, so leave

1072
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: it in a five star review on Apple podcast or

1073
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: email me at ghosted by rozat gmail dot com. I

1074
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: am on Instagram at roz Hernandez TikTok and Twitter at

1075
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: it's Raz Hernandez. I love you all, both living and dead.

1076
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

1077
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: haunt me.

1078
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: Came back.

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