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Speaker 1: crazy week around the state of Texas. Hope everybody once
Speaker 1: again staying safe. The warmth is not necessarily the issue
Speaker 1: at this point, but hopefully you were able to stay
Speaker 1: warm and say through some crazy times. But we are
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Speaker 1: on everyone there. Hey, Cowboys Nation. As of course, it's
Speaker 1: a big offseason for Dallas and there's plenty to reset about.
Speaker 1: And after a long week, that's what we're gonna do today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna reset. We're gonna talk about what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: top storylines are this offseason and how they can be
Speaker 1: successful going in to twenty twenty one. I'm your host
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's alongside Rob Phillips, heck My Harrison. We've got
Speaker 1: our guy, Isaiah stand back, resident super Bowl champion as
Speaker 1: always down in the bottom left hand corner. Guys, how
Speaker 1: are we doing this week? Rob? You able to stay
Speaker 1: warm throughout the last week? I missed you guys on
Speaker 1: last Monday. Yeah, we missed you too, Kyle. What was
Speaker 1: the temperature yesterday? Seventy two? So for people that don't
Speaker 1: live in Texas, like, this is what we deal with.
Speaker 1: You know, it might be minus two one day, might
Speaker 1: be seventy two one day. But I think we're all good, right.
Speaker 1: I think everybody's okay now, hanging in there like a
Speaker 1: hook cap and a fast lane over meging it happened, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: negative two one day, seventy two to next. Would wouldn't
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Speaker 1: the going trend is no one was ready for the
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Speaker 1: you a week ago. We gotta go ended up turning
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Speaker 1: I reck the grocery store and back like I did
Speaker 1: to the store and back last year. That's exactly what. Yeah. No,
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Speaker 1: But let's get away from that. Let's talk about some football.
Speaker 1: Let's talk some Cowboys here over the next hour. And
Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest storylines this offseason are what quarterback
Speaker 1: play right, contracts, garterbacks, salary caps, and rob There was
Speaker 1: news the other day from the NFL that the salary
Speaker 1: cap in twenty twenty one has the new floor. We
Speaker 1: expected this. Teams on a Thursday memo said that the
Speaker 1: salary cap floor has been increased from one seventy five
Speaker 1: to one eighty following talks with the nfl PA. So
Speaker 1: one eighty is higher salary cap than we really anticipated.
Speaker 1: We thought it might have a chance to stay the
Speaker 1: same or go down, as Cowboys fans, but this is
Speaker 1: a great sign for the Cowboys who aren't necessarily in
Speaker 1: the best place. Cowboys. Yeah, it's a little little extra
Speaker 1: change in the Cowboys cushions. You know, you reach down,
Speaker 1: you find a little extra five million. That's good. They
Speaker 1: need every bit that they can because we know that
Speaker 1: you talked about it, Kyle. The top priorities around the
Speaker 1: league and in Dallas, our quarterback here, it's Dak Dak.
Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of news right now. Everybody
Speaker 1: wanting to know if and when this deal is gonna
Speaker 1: get done. And obviously an extra five million helps if
Speaker 1: nothing else, you can slot it to help pay for
Speaker 1: your draft class when you have to sign those draft picks.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot the Cowboys need to work out
Speaker 1: in the co weeks. What's interesting is, you know, the
Speaker 1: NFL doesn't really have official dates, official official dates. We
Speaker 1: know the NFL drafts at the end of April, but
Speaker 1: everything that you know, I think teams are working off
Speaker 1: of is a you know, tag window that starts tomorrow,
Speaker 1: goes through March ninth, and then you got free agency
Speaker 1: about a week later. And in that time, you know
Speaker 1: the Cowboys guy that find ways to create room. So
Speaker 1: the raise cap floor is good, it might go higher
Speaker 1: if the league decides to try to you know, kick
Speaker 1: the can down the road and eat a little bit
Speaker 1: of that salary cap space in future years when hopefully
Speaker 1: we're out of this pandemic. So maybe there's a little
Speaker 1: extra room the Cowboys will have to maneuver, not only
Speaker 1: to slot Dak either on the tag or on ideal
Speaker 1: Plus give you some wiggle room in free agency because
Speaker 1: we all know they've got a lot of needs coming
Speaker 1: up here. He whenever you look at this salary cap
Speaker 1: and you look at kind of the situation that's at
Speaker 1: hand in the NFL, it's positive that it went up.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, does it give you any
Speaker 1: pause as to how the Cowboys would have to handle
Speaker 1: the cap issue because of Dak Prescott, because of the
Speaker 1: way these other teams, I don't know. I look around
Speaker 1: the league and I see all these other organizations finding
Speaker 1: ways to maneuver cap money, and I feel like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't necessarily done that. Are you? Are you still
Speaker 1: hesitant on the Cowboys signing Dak Prescott to that long
Speaker 1: term deal, and especially with the salary cap not going
Speaker 1: up as much as it normally would. Well, I like
Speaker 1: what Rob said, kicking the can down the road, and
Speaker 1: that's what we've been doing with our salary cap for
Speaker 1: a little while now. It's kicking the can down the road.
Speaker 1: But all of these things have come to ahead, Kyle,
Speaker 1: and we have to make a decision on what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. And you know, the extra five million dollars
Speaker 1: for the cap from seventy five to eighty is good,
Speaker 1: but you're looking at a cap that's generally I think
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty was one ninety eight, So that's still
Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars in cap that you've had to sacrifice
Speaker 1: because of COVID nineteen and no one's going to cry
Speaker 1: for us because of that, but boy, we sure could
Speaker 1: use that extra eighteen million dollars right now. And maybe
Speaker 1: that was something that they were banking on, But you know,
Speaker 1: when it comes down to do I have pause with
Speaker 1: everything that's going on with the franchise and Dak is
Speaker 1: it's yeah, is the answer. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: that when you when you say kicking the can down
Speaker 1: the road. We've restructured a lot of contracts and we
Speaker 1: can still do that. But it's not impossible to get
Speaker 1: the Dak Prescott deal done. But it's going to do.
Speaker 1: It's going to stress the hell out of your cap
Speaker 1: and it's not going to give you a lot of
Speaker 1: room to get other things that you need. And when
Speaker 1: you talk about need verse one with the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: right now, we have some bigger issues at foot with
Speaker 1: our organization and that's bad contracts and you know, an
Speaker 1: aging offensive line and injuries to guys that we may
Speaker 1: not even see anymore and the Dallas Cowboy uniform. So
Speaker 1: the priority right now, you can say, would be to
Speaker 1: sign Dag. But again, when you look at your cap
Speaker 1: and you look at the future, kicking the can down
Speaker 1: the road, you may have to start making some bigger
Speaker 1: decisions for down the road, Isn't that what's frustrating the
Speaker 1: most about this situation, though, is that you had so
Speaker 1: many opportunities and you still haven't figured it out. Like
Speaker 1: That's what's frustrating to me. It's the fact that you've
Speaker 1: kicked the can down the road and now you've run
Speaker 1: out of road. It seems like, I mean, you really
Speaker 1: have run out of road to kick it down. Now
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to turn around and go to the
Speaker 1: other direction. And I hate that as a fan of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and as somebody who's been around the organization now,
Speaker 1: it's really a frustrating from a fan standpoint whenever you
Speaker 1: have a quarterback like that, you have these contract issues,
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it's frustrating from a players standpoint too, Isaiah.
Speaker 1: I know you played in the league, You've had contract
Speaker 1: negotiations more so than any of the rest of us have.
Speaker 1: But is this frustrating. Is this insulting from a player's perspective?
Speaker 1: I know this is something we've probably hit already, but
Speaker 1: I feel like it just continues to be so as
Speaker 1: we get closer and closer than this deadline. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the injury to Deck did not help
Speaker 1: the situation at all. M complicated things substantially. So obviously,
Speaker 1: now you got the curveball, are you going to be healthy?
Speaker 1: When are you going to be healthy? Are you going
Speaker 1: to be the same player that you were? All? Right?
Speaker 1: Do we have to put that in a contract so
Speaker 1: that you have to prove it to us? Or are
Speaker 1: we just gonna give you the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 1: because you've been so good to us, you know, in
Speaker 1: the past. So there's so many things now that are
Speaker 1: convoluted um. They we're gonna have to see. But I'm
Speaker 1: interested and I'm curious to see um as to how
Speaker 1: good our general manager skills are. Now, this is when
Speaker 1: you find out exactly how great of a manager um
Speaker 1: you have within your organization. And because you have to
Speaker 1: get so creative, because you have to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have a new coach in, we have a general
Speaker 1: manager who's been there since since since birth, and now
Speaker 1: with a figure out. Okay, what's our vision for our
Speaker 1: for our team? What's the vision for this organization? Do
Speaker 1: we want to win right now? Do we want to
Speaker 1: are we trying to win championships right now? Or are
Speaker 1: we trying to set up our team for the future.
Speaker 1: So you got those two those two organizational hands that
Speaker 1: are coming to coming to one and they have to
Speaker 1: figure things out. And obviously the deck situation is the
Speaker 1: most highlighted thing of them all. But there's like, as
Speaker 1: you guys already alluded to, there's so many gaps, there's
Speaker 1: so many things that need to be addressed. And you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: be eighteen million dollars short doesn't help you, but it's
Speaker 1: a lot better to be in twenty three million dollars short.
Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see what happens. Man. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see the maneuvers they're making because you see how
Speaker 1: aggressive some of these other organizations are being. Um, let's
Speaker 1: see what our what our organizations made of. And you
Speaker 1: know I do too, and it is it is like,
Speaker 1: this is the biggest offseason for the Cowboys I can
Speaker 1: remember since I've been covering the team because it is.
Speaker 1: It's like a crossroads. It's like what's your future going
Speaker 1: to be and what's your outlook for your team? And
Speaker 1: Heck mentioned creating room and getting creative. They can do that.
Speaker 1: They can, you know they can. They can slot for
Speaker 1: this tag. It's it's not pretty. It's a monster number
Speaker 1: thirty seven point seven million if they have to do it.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a distinct possibility that they're going
Speaker 1: to have to do it in fifteen days or sixteen
Speaker 1: days to buy more time, unless less they can figure
Speaker 1: something out in two weeks. I mean, they haven't done
Speaker 1: it in two years, two plus years. I think they
Speaker 1: would probably have to tag him again. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know that can be done. They don't want to
Speaker 1: do that. I'm sure they don't want to do that because, look,
Speaker 1: you want to have some flexibility in free agency. A
Speaker 1: week later, but but Heck mentioned the restructures, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of speculation on what they'll do to create space.
Speaker 1: That's the most logical thing. Look, they restructure Tyrann Smith,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, DeMarcus Lawrence last year and took all of
Speaker 1: that space and saved it for this year. I think
Speaker 1: NFLPA said They've got the third most unused cap room
Speaker 1: carried over into this year twenty five million or so.
Speaker 1: So that's that's good, and they can restructure more deals.
Speaker 1: They've been doing this pretty much as long as I've
Speaker 1: been there covering the team, and they do they just
Speaker 1: you just kind of you can do this forever. Really,
Speaker 1: you can kick this down the road. The problem is
Speaker 1: when it comes to the back end of those deals.
Speaker 1: If if a guy doesn't reach the end of his
Speaker 1: deal or is not playing to the level of his deal,
Speaker 1: then you've got a lot of dead money at the end.
Speaker 1: If you think about twenty eighteen, I think it was
Speaker 1: a year after they released Tony Romo, he counted nine
Speaker 1: million on their cap. Travis Frederick retires in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and it's like an eleven million dollar cap hit spread
Speaker 1: over two years. So that's you know, you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta think about the back end of those things. But
Speaker 1: other than cutting players, I don't know what else you
Speaker 1: do to create space and still keep kind of the
Speaker 1: cord your roster together and try to go win football
Speaker 1: games with Dak Prescott as your quarterback. Hey, Ron, go ahead, now,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the other the curveball here, right,
Speaker 1: and obviously we addressed it last year. Was you know
Speaker 1: they're now also managing Dax Dax emotions, right, what are
Speaker 1: Dax emotions? If he gets tagged? Understand, we all get it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to tag to buy more time. But
Speaker 1: if I'm DAK, I probably have I'm probably having my
Speaker 1: foot in the ground. As like, hey, if y'all tag me,
Speaker 1: uncle Drew alluded to the other day, if you tag me,
Speaker 1: just no, I'm not I'm not coming back. Do you
Speaker 1: just know that you know what I'm saying. Just just just
Speaker 1: know it can as disrespect. You guys have had two
Speaker 1: years of work on his d you know, say, I've
Speaker 1: proven to you guys what my worth to this organization.
Speaker 1: I've shown you guys, obviously through unfortunate the circumstances that
Speaker 1: when I get injured, what happens to the organization, what
Speaker 1: happens to the team. Right, So if you guys tag
Speaker 1: me again, just no, just know what's gonna happen on
Speaker 1: the back end, right, So they have to manage that
Speaker 1: as well, And that's something that's not being address obviously.
Speaker 1: Everybody's just talking about how oh you know they'll have
Speaker 1: this much time to figure it out. Dak might not
Speaker 1: want to figure it out. Dak might be on a
Speaker 1: two week on a two week count down. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: y'all got y'all have two weeks to figure this sting out.
Speaker 1: I'm with you in terms of, uh, you know, if
Speaker 1: if it's still the mid July deadline, that's still the
Speaker 1: count of the NFL working off of and there's no
Speaker 1: deal in place by then, I mean, yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: imagine he'll be back in twenty twenty two because it's
Speaker 1: a fifty four million dollars franchise tag or something like
Speaker 1: that next year for Dak and and that's not gonna happen. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't fit that, so he would be
Speaker 1: ready to hit the market. And I agree there's there's um,
Speaker 1: there's pride, and there's feelings involved. Guys want long term
Speaker 1: security and understandably so. UM, But I I still think
Speaker 1: they all want to get it done. I believe that.
Speaker 1: I just don't know, Um, I don't know how you
Speaker 1: Maybe they can get it done by March ninth, but
Speaker 1: something's got to give here both sides to try to
Speaker 1: work this out for the Cowboys to get some relief,
Speaker 1: to try to build a team in the free agency
Speaker 1: for Dak to get that security. Um, it's man, it's time,
Speaker 1: it's time to get working on it. Noah, I loved
Speaker 1: Rob when you said we're at a crossroads, and it
Speaker 1: just gave me that visual of us in the car
Speaker 1: said sitting at a crossroads and which way do we go?
Speaker 1: Because if you look at it on the cow for
Speaker 1: the organization, the price for being mediocre is just getting expensive.
Speaker 1: And that's that it just continues to build on. You
Speaker 1: look at the bad contracts that we've we've we have
Speaker 1: and there are a few of them that you can
Speaker 1: go to where these guys are once they signed their deal,
Speaker 1: their production depreciated, and we have these bad deals on
Speaker 1: the book books. And yes, you can look back two
Speaker 1: years ago where we should have gotten Dak's deal done
Speaker 1: and it's been very costly not getting Dak's deal done.
Speaker 1: But Isaiah, I don't know if if the organization would
Speaker 1: even care, if you know, if they have to give
Speaker 1: him another tag, if he's if this is gonna be contentious,
Speaker 1: and he's already like, look I'm out of here. If
Speaker 1: you do that, then I think that the organization does
Speaker 1: that knowing full damn well that he's gonna walk in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. So, I mean, the art of the
Speaker 1: deal and the song and dance is very fragile right
Speaker 1: now with the organization and his representatives. But I am
Speaker 1: hoping that they can find a way to get this
Speaker 1: deal done and if it's gonna be something for the
Speaker 1: long haul, especially if you look at not having an
Speaker 1: offensive line or anything like that, look at how bad
Speaker 1: it's gonna be if you don't have that quarterback to
Speaker 1: build around for the future. I think that Dak is
Speaker 1: the future of the franchise. But again, if the if
Speaker 1: the organization doesn't see it the same, then who the
Speaker 1: hell am I I mean? Because I think he's good
Speaker 1: enough to sign right now. Are are we worried? And
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about the Cowboys when I say we,
Speaker 1: I never would say we whenever it comes to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: because I don't wear a jersey. But are we as
Speaker 1: a group or as a fan base, are we worried
Speaker 1: about Dak Prescott's ankle? Because are we worried about the
Speaker 1: injury at all? Because if we're worried about it at all,
Speaker 1: what are the Cowboys feeling? What is the front office feeling,
Speaker 1: because that's one of my things is it's been so quiet.
Speaker 1: That's what's weird to me. It's it's been definitely silent
Speaker 1: and you haven't heard a single thing about either side
Speaker 1: of the negotiations. So is that a good sign or
Speaker 1: is that a bad sign? As nothing's getting done or
Speaker 1: something's about to get done, because Rob, I mean it's
Speaker 1: giving to the point, like you said, we're getting down
Speaker 1: to this deadline. It's a time clock. I mean, time
Speaker 1: is ticking whenever we get to this moment, and then
Speaker 1: what happens whenever it reaches zero? Yeah, I mean I'll
Speaker 1: throw in one thing there too, is that we don't
Speaker 1: we mentioned the floor for the salary cap. We don't
Speaker 1: know the salary cap level yet, and we may not
Speaker 1: know it till after March nineth. So that's the problem
Speaker 1: here is it's it's this weird offseason with the dates
Speaker 1: and this crazy cap with the pandemic, and so there's
Speaker 1: just a lot of when you talk about a deal
Speaker 1: with this magnitude, you need to know everything that you're
Speaker 1: dealing with, and I don't think the Cowboys know everything
Speaker 1: they're dealing with yet. Yeah. The ankle too, I mean
Speaker 1: that that is another layer. You know, we've referenced that
Speaker 1: on past shows where it's a serious injury. Everything we've
Speaker 1: heard he's gonna make a full recovery. The Cowboys aren't
Speaker 1: concerned about it. But that is another part of the
Speaker 1: negotiations that I don't know that we know everything involved
Speaker 1: in it because we really haven't. There hasn't been, like
Speaker 1: you said, Kyl, hasn't been a lot of public discussion
Speaker 1: since this nothing really since the season ended on any subject.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of a lot of speculation, a
Speaker 1: lot of sources. All I know is I still feel
Speaker 1: like both sides would like to get this done. I
Speaker 1: just personally don't have as much confidence as I did
Speaker 1: last year because I've maybe I was naive last year
Speaker 1: because I feel like every time the Cowboys want one
Speaker 1: of these deals done, they get it done, and this
Speaker 1: hasn't for whatever reason. I think you can talk about
Speaker 1: both sides for you know, reasons for that um But now,
Speaker 1: like you said, the clock's ticking. So until it gets done,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can say with confidence that that
Speaker 1: it that it will be, and that that this is
Speaker 1: going to be a long term deal. Heck, oh, it's
Speaker 1: just it just sucks to continue to do this. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the second offseason we haven't gotten yeah, third
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten this done. And it becomes the same argument,
Speaker 1: what is the organization looking to see to feel confident
Speaker 1: in getting the deal done? And there's so many people
Speaker 1: that's going to comment and say, oh, that's not worth
Speaker 1: the money. And then you know, well, who else do
Speaker 1: you have? Do you think that you could just go
Speaker 1: into the draft and pick anybody that could come into
Speaker 1: this organization and lead you to the playoffs in the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, Because this is a right now sort of
Speaker 1: situation for every team in the NFL. Everybody. This is
Speaker 1: a right now business. And if we're saying that, look
Speaker 1: we can just go outside and get anybody to be
Speaker 1: the quarterback here, I think you're delusional. Dak Prescott if
Speaker 1: he's not the top five. And yeah, there are a
Speaker 1: few guys you say their name, Pat mahomes all, the
Speaker 1: guy Aaron Rodgers on down, but he's not far down
Speaker 1: on that list. If there are going to be a
Speaker 1: lot of guys that get contracts that are going to
Speaker 1: be the highest player quarterback in the league that don't
Speaker 1: that are not on the same level as some of
Speaker 1: those guys. So we can't keep moving the goalpost in
Speaker 1: this conversation about Dak because anytime you have a conversation
Speaker 1: with somebody about Dak Prescott's contract, you sound dumb and
Speaker 1: they sound dumb because no one agrees with the cap.
Speaker 1: No one agrees with the cap, and no one agrees
Speaker 1: with the talent. There's the difference on each level. But
Speaker 1: the question is what do you do if you don't
Speaker 1: sign him? Well, we sound dumb all the time. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna continue talking about talking about Dak Prescott because
Speaker 1: you brought up the draft and we've been talking about
Speaker 1: this crossroads through the first segment. The draft is really
Speaker 1: where that crossroad stands for me. I think that is
Speaker 1: the drop dead date of this whole deal with the
Speaker 1: franchise tag and everything that's been a part of it.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this previously on a couple of
Speaker 1: the shows. But when we come back here on Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about crossroad, what what the crossroads
Speaker 1: are going to be, and what we would do if
Speaker 1: we were in the front office's shoes crossroads. When we
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Speaker 1: those crossroads, gentlemen, because I'm gonna put you guys in
Speaker 1: this in the shoes of a front office, yes, personnel
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys front office, because I think we need
Speaker 1: to look ahead into the future and see what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. Use those slur lenz is to look ahead
Speaker 1: into the future because there's a lot going on whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to the draft. April twenty ninth is the draft.
Speaker 1: We're less than sixty days away at this point. And
Speaker 1: even though the franchise tag deadline is March ninth, I
Speaker 1: think the draft is the drop dead date for the
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott contract negotiations because you can tag Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: before March ninth, which I think will happen. I think
Speaker 1: most of us think that will happen, and then after
Speaker 1: March ninth, you can still negotiate that contract up until
Speaker 1: the middle of June. So I think there's going to
Speaker 1: be a tag there, and whether or not there's a
Speaker 1: long term deal done, it needs to get done before
Speaker 1: the draft. And so we had a mail bad question
Speaker 1: this week, Rob that was talking about no Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: long term deal. If there's a quarterback available at the
Speaker 1: tenth overall pick, would you take a quarterback there? And
Speaker 1: what would you do from that point forward? So this
Speaker 1: is the crossroads. You're looking at a rebuilding of a
Speaker 1: future or you're trying to to center your future around
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Which one would it be, Robin, Which one
Speaker 1: do you think would be more successful. That is a
Speaker 1: juicy hypothetical, Kyle, I did you mean noodle of June
Speaker 1: or middle of July to get the July excuse me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the drop dead date, get tagger or a long term deal.
Speaker 1: Usually yes, if they keep the same schedule, the league
Speaker 1: does what they always do. I it was the mail
Speaker 1: back question, and I answered, yes, stick with Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: and don't worry about drafting the quarterback because I'm with
Speaker 1: you in that. You know, you'd like to know what
Speaker 1: the deal is by the draft because you have a
Speaker 1: top ten pick, and it's hard to get a top
Speaker 1: ten pick. You know, you got to be pretty bad
Speaker 1: to be in that position. But the thing the thing
Speaker 1: with me is you've invested all this time, and and
Speaker 1: if you if there's still hope, if there's still optimism
Speaker 1: that you know, okay, it's not done by the draft,
Speaker 1: but we think we could still get there in two months.
Speaker 1: Then I'm not drafting somebody to potentially potentially sit for
Speaker 1: five years, four years on his rookie contract as the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback behind Dak Prescott. I'm just not ready to
Speaker 1: do something like that. And sure that could blow up
Speaker 1: in my face, but I would still be operating under
Speaker 1: the premise that we could still have Dak as our
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. So you're sticking with Dak no matter what,
Speaker 1: even if there's not a long term deal, and it
Speaker 1: could really put you in a situation that I know
Speaker 1: you said you would sit for a year, but isn't
Speaker 1: that ideal with a rookie quarterback that may not be
Speaker 1: ready yet aka Trey Lance North Dakota State quarterback or
Speaker 1: Mac Jones out of Alabama. Well, I'm ease that was
Speaker 1: part of that was part of the hypothetical, that was
Speaker 1: probably hypothetical. Yeah, okay, okay, because that change your answer
Speaker 1: a little bit. Dak Prescott, are you saying that's high
Speaker 1: or low? Mack mom, I'm curious as to where you
Speaker 1: think that would be as No. Look, all of this
Speaker 1: is giving me the willies anyway. So I'm just saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, what we cannot do as an organization is
Speaker 1: reach on a player. And when you talk about a
Speaker 1: historically awful defense and we're talking about taking a quarterback
Speaker 1: at ten, I don't look, no matter where we go
Speaker 1: with the Dak Prescott contract, what we can't do is
Speaker 1: reach on a player at ten and we can't reach
Speaker 1: on mac Jones, all respect to him, great quarterback, but
Speaker 1: not do that. Huh. Ten is too high in your mind?
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, If you're in that position, you know you
Speaker 1: should start thinking about trading draft capital if that's what
Speaker 1: that's on your mind. Okay, good, I'm glad you think that.
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying he wasn't going to fall
Speaker 1: to ten, and I was like, there's no way he's
Speaker 1: not there at ten. Ten would be reaching, I think
Speaker 1: a read. I completely agree. I think Tim would be
Speaker 1: reaching on mac Jones, and reaching on a player is
Speaker 1: where I would lean on this answer too. But I
Speaker 1: want to hear Isaiah's thought process first. All right, So
Speaker 1: I'm either staying with that. I'm definitely a drafted a
Speaker 1: quarterback that's just not the round to go, So I'm
Speaker 1: staying with that, or I'm gonna I'm gonna have some
Speaker 1: kind of crazy, blockbuster, your Matthew Stafford type type type
Speaker 1: tree that gives me a Russell Wilson or something Aboudy
Speaker 1: somebody like that. That's the only thing that's even a
Speaker 1: foreseeable and that's that's a super stretch since we're doing uh,
Speaker 1: you know, just a craziness today. So yeah, I'm staying
Speaker 1: I'm staying with that, or I'm doing a crazy blockbuster trade. Okay,
Speaker 1: how about I give you guys a crazy blockbuster trade.
Speaker 1: I'll see what you think. Here. The Miami Dolphins, who
Speaker 1: currently hold the number three overall pick, the number eighteen
Speaker 1: overall pick, and they have a two a Tonga Vloa
Speaker 1: at quarterback that they don't necessarily need any or if
Speaker 1: they're gonna trade for Dak Prescott, what if they gave
Speaker 1: you all three of those for the tenth overall pick
Speaker 1: and Dak Prescott, or they give you all three of those,
Speaker 1: Let's do all three of those four Dak Prescott alone.
Speaker 1: So then you have three ten and eighteen and two
Speaker 1: of What would you do? No in Miami, man, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that in Miami. I would have to do something. No,
Speaker 1: I would have to do something where I'm giving up,
Speaker 1: you know, my number ten pick and Zeke to get
Speaker 1: rust in here. That would be the only thing that
Speaker 1: I could even see. I can't see anybody else that
Speaker 1: I would want to go grab. Isaiah wants a sure thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get if you're gonna do If you're gonna do that,
Speaker 1: you have to get the sure thing right. Like, it's
Speaker 1: not even a question. It's no different than Tampa. Right.
Speaker 1: Tampa was like, hey, screw it, we're gonna get T
Speaker 1: twelve because we know what position he puts us in.
Speaker 1: So if you pull a move like that, you better.
Speaker 1: That's why why do you think that La did what
Speaker 1: they did? They know Matthi Staffords a dog. They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll do this. It's gonna make us look crazy, but
Speaker 1: we know we're getting a dog. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you just if you pull that move you have
Speaker 1: to have it's if a show right home. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it made him look crazy for a week. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you're not interested in trading to rebuild. You're trading
Speaker 1: for concrete. You're you're trading for somebody that you think
Speaker 1: is going to be the dude. Is Russell Wilson the dude?
Speaker 1: Are you? Like? Are you sold on Russell Wilson? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not sold on him at all. You're
Speaker 1: not You're not sold on Russell Wilson. That's interesting in
Speaker 1: this offensive line. Though it's too short, I still think
Speaker 1: he's short. What ya a look at the past? Look
Speaker 1: at look at the look at the positions he puts
Speaker 1: his in. Oh my goodness, look he's it's not a
Speaker 1: troll job. I think Russell Wilson's a great right goodness.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm saying, I don't let me. Let
Speaker 1: me help you out with this quarterback thing. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is a myth that obviously being in the training world
Speaker 1: now and obviously being a quarterback my entire levee, let
Speaker 1: me just just me, just go ahead and squash this.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks don't look over lineman. You look through through throwing lanes.
Speaker 1: So this whole height thing is such a myth and
Speaker 1: it gets way too much weight put on it. So
Speaker 1: all my short quarterbacks out there, keep balling, keep killing
Speaker 1: it because you look through lanes. You don't look over lineman.
Speaker 1: I'm sixty three. I was not looking over my six
Speaker 1: five six sixth linemen. I wasn't doing it. It It didn't
Speaker 1: matter if I was five. Tendn matter about sixty three. Listen,
Speaker 1: you throw through lanes. So if you guys there got
Speaker 1: those figure out that footwork, be quick, that being quick
Speaker 1: and being fast is more important to being tall. Trust me, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree that you know what to do. Kyle
Speaker 1: Collins start an argument. He's a professional arguer, so that's
Speaker 1: what he just did. And he know that Isaiah was
Speaker 1: gonna fall for the bait, and he couldn't help himself.
Speaker 1: But eighty six, let's come back. Let's come back a
Speaker 1: little bit, because he don't even believe He don't believe
Speaker 1: that either, right, he don't believe that when you when
Speaker 1: you talking about the Miami Dolphins scenario, and I'm with
Speaker 1: Isaiah on this, you know, I'm gonna go for this
Speaker 1: er thing if we're gonna make if we're gonna trade
Speaker 1: away draft capital, or we're gonna take on anything else,
Speaker 1: especially like to and still put ourselves in a situation
Speaker 1: in the next three years to have to renegotiate his contract.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go that route either, with a
Speaker 1: very similar thing that you just yeah, And that's that's
Speaker 1: the kick in the can down the road sort of deal.
Speaker 1: And especially when you talk about what we need to
Speaker 1: do defensively. Now, the ideal is signed back and the
Speaker 1: rest it gives you a survey of the land on
Speaker 1: which way you need to go. But the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: in a position at ten to where they can move back.
Speaker 1: If let's say Seoul is gone, if the offensive line
Speaker 1: before Virginia Tech is gone, if the cornerback from Virginia
Speaker 1: Tech and Alabama are both gone, then let's not reach
Speaker 1: on a player, all right. If we can go back
Speaker 1: get a bar More or get a linebacker or get
Speaker 1: someone like that, then let's do that. And then especially
Speaker 1: when it comes down to offensive tack or defensive line.
Speaker 1: You know, look, anytime you can get a big ten,
Speaker 1: anytime you can get a big ten offensive lineman, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be a several of those guys in the second, third,
Speaker 1: and fourth round. There's going to be opportunities, and even
Speaker 1: for a quarterback in the later rounds, right, Kyle Trash,
Speaker 1: You know, I'm high on that guy. But you can
Speaker 1: go in and you can still develop guys. I don't
Speaker 1: understand how Dak Prescott is being penalized by being everything
Speaker 1: that you want from a fourth round draft pick. You
Speaker 1: develop him, he turns out to be a player, and
Speaker 1: this is what you get. You have to sign to do,
Speaker 1: and we're reluctant to do that. And we're talking about
Speaker 1: two of like nah noh, Kyle's Kyle's throwing it out there.
Speaker 1: But going back, going back, that's just we're just throwing
Speaker 1: stuff out there. Going going back to the original hypothetical, Kyle,
Speaker 1: why do you feel like so if you if it's
Speaker 1: not done by the draft, you're not done by the draft,
Speaker 1: you would draft quarterback at ten. It's basically what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I would highly if if if a guy's available that
Speaker 1: you like and you would have to have, you would
Speaker 1: have to have somebody that you like there, or trade
Speaker 1: up and go get somebody if you wanted to go,
Speaker 1: maybe get Ajton Fields or Zach Wilson. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much draft capital you'd have to give to give
Speaker 1: up there, and I don't know if the Cowboys would
Speaker 1: be willing to do that. I think that would be
Speaker 1: a waste of draft capital. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: trade up. But if somebody falls and you like him
Speaker 1: a lot, like a Trey Lance, I think Trey Lance
Speaker 1: would probably be the more likely of the quarterbacks to
Speaker 1: fall and for the Cowboys to like him, because he's
Speaker 1: really similar in play style to what Dak Kreshcott brings
Speaker 1: to the table. But I just don't I'm with Hecma
Speaker 1: and what he said. It makes my gut turn knowing
Speaker 1: how bad this defense is and thinking, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to try and maybe draft a quarterback
Speaker 1: because that just makes me sick in the point of
Speaker 1: having to use a tenth overall pick where you could
Speaker 1: get a starter opposite of Trey Von Diggs. You did
Speaker 1: get a starter somewhere else, and you make your better
Speaker 1: and you're worried about this the only way you've invested
Speaker 1: too much onto your offense. Look offense. So that's the
Speaker 1: last position that you can have being a question that
Speaker 1: has to be a solid freaking exclamation point, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like that has to be either you
Speaker 1: sign that or like I said, you pull something off
Speaker 1: that nobody else in a world that right, you bring
Speaker 1: somebody in who's up a show right on, because that's
Speaker 1: all you can do now you get you turn your
Speaker 1: your attention towards defense, or you solidify that offensive line.
Speaker 1: That is the only moves that should be made on offense.
Speaker 1: Old line, that's it, you know what I'm saying. Other
Speaker 1: than that is defense. Yeah, and even even old line
Speaker 1: to me, for me personally, it's like he's got to
Speaker 1: be ceedee lamb, he's got to be the best guy
Speaker 1: on my board way better than any defensive prospect that
Speaker 1: can step in and help me right away, because because
Speaker 1: they need an infusion of talent on defense in my opinion.
Speaker 1: But absolutely, I just feel like with the quarterback thing,
Speaker 1: the only way you consider drafting quarterback that high for
Speaker 1: me is if by the draft, like Isaiah reference in
Speaker 1: the first segment, if there's emotions involved and there is
Speaker 1: a sense that it's just not going to happen with
Speaker 1: d then then maybe you have to pivot. But unlesson
Speaker 1: if that's not the case and they're just not it's
Speaker 1: not done yet, and again maybe it won't ever get done.
Speaker 1: Then I'm still trying to build around Dak Prescott and
Speaker 1: hope that I can figure figure something out. Yeah, Pete,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. You haven't I know you
Speaker 1: y'all haven't forgot how bad our defense was last year, right,
Speaker 1: I've not forgotten that. Okay, I watched the film. I
Speaker 1: watched the film, and we were bad of d last year.
Speaker 1: So even all of this talk of offensive line and
Speaker 1: I'm with new His Struggs. Man new He Struggs is
Speaker 1: the guy that said, I mean, he's hanging on this
Speaker 1: whole argument because man, you defensively, and historically we have
Speaker 1: not been a team that has drafted safeties, and we've
Speaker 1: had opportunities and free agency and all that, we still
Speaker 1: didn't get a safety last year. Bad safety play cost us.
Speaker 1: But we can also go to the front of our
Speaker 1: defense and say, man, up front, seven was pretty weak
Speaker 1: as well, and so if we had any guys that
Speaker 1: could create or manufacture any pressure on the quarterbacks, maybe
Speaker 1: that wouldn't have been as blaring of a need. But
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Man, if you look at the NFL, you're
Speaker 1: going to have to have a safety, especially in Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's defense where he's playing safety high. So look, I
Speaker 1: trust I think Dunver Wilson will be fine at the
Speaker 1: strong safety spot, but who will we have back there
Speaker 1: facilitating as a midfielder. That free safety is a huge
Speaker 1: question mark, and the Cowboys having drafted one in the
Speaker 1: first two rounds since what two thousand and two, Rob,
Speaker 1: Is that right? Two thousand and two is the last
Speaker 1: time they drafted a free safety or a safety and
Speaker 1: Roy the first couple rounds and it was Roy Williams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just hasn't best. It has not been a priority
Speaker 1: for them, you know, Thomas, But like, how old were you?
Speaker 1: Kyle was six years old last time. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: drafted a safety six years old. Dang it, you're still
Speaker 1: yeah what you what you that? Doug? I could have
Speaker 1: baby set you man. Don't you ever? Don't you ever?
Speaker 1: You baby sit me on the show. Anyways. It's fine,
Speaker 1: But that's another thing. I mean, whenever, what's your birth?
Speaker 1: What's your birth? Here? Mighty what? And there's no recorection
Speaker 1: of Michael Jordans. That's that's That's what I always go to,
Speaker 1: is I never saw mic play. Yeah. Yeah, even with
Speaker 1: even with all of the jokes and everything, aside the
Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys could take a safety in the
Speaker 1: first or second round, it's not gonna happen at the first.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen in ten. I'll tell you that
Speaker 1: right now. This draft class is not strong enough to
Speaker 1: have a safety ticket ten. But at forty four, I
Speaker 1: think it's a realistic converce, a realistic conversation depending on
Speaker 1: who's there. Because there is the Richie Grants, there is
Speaker 1: the treyvon Mo Riggs, there's the James Wiggins. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys there that could be at
Speaker 1: forty four that the Cowboys could take a safety so
Speaker 1: we may see it for the first time. How likely
Speaker 1: is that going to be and how highly does this
Speaker 1: front office in the scouting department think these safeties are
Speaker 1: going to be held to. I don't know like that,
Speaker 1: it's it's a huge question mark of I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. It continues with the quarterback, but it
Speaker 1: continues with the safety position and where they value that
Speaker 1: heck fund. But let me ask you this though, pe
Speaker 1: Now now that like last year in twenty twenty, the
Speaker 1: practice squad players increased, Now in twenty twenty one, is
Speaker 1: that going to be the same thing or where they
Speaker 1: have to go back to the regular account we're practice
Speaker 1: squad players because teams were hoarding their practice squad guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that is a great question, because I think it
Speaker 1: was it was like an addendum they made to the
Speaker 1: new CBA because of the pandemic. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if that carries into twenty twenty one with a
Speaker 1: with a larger practice squad. Maybe that might be something
Speaker 1: they got to figure out at the spring meetings with
Speaker 1: the Competition Committee and all that stuff, or past rule
Speaker 1: changes and all that kind of thing. Now that and
Speaker 1: the reason I bring that up is obviously in free
Speaker 1: agency as well and picking players. This is gonna be
Speaker 1: a huge offseason for Will McClay and his staff to
Speaker 1: be able to calm through those guys. Because we didn't
Speaker 1: have a preseason last year, and because teams were able
Speaker 1: to hoard their guys and keep their talent you know,
Speaker 1: still on their roster. Will we be able to pick potentially,
Speaker 1: you know, good guys at the safety position, d line,
Speaker 1: what have you. But I think that's going to be
Speaker 1: important as well. I hate even having this conversation because
Speaker 1: it's scary because there's so many different spots that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could potentially get to. Now. Last year, in the offseason,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had an opportunity to pick up some free
Speaker 1: agents before the draft and kind of set their board
Speaker 1: a little bit to where they could go best player
Speaker 1: are available. When we come back, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: whether that best player available will still be there, or
Speaker 1: what positions the Cowboys need to fill prior to the
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Speaker 1: we'll go a little bit longer as well. But Rob,
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the Cowboys in this crossroads. And
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about the draft, We've talked about
Speaker 1: the salary cap. But now it kind of comes to
Speaker 1: the fact that, well, the Cowboys have to do some
Speaker 1: some shifting, some moving. They're gonna have to to have
Speaker 1: some guys that maybe salary cap cuts. They may be
Speaker 1: something in terms of and ease. What do you expect
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and when do you expect the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: start shifting this roster around, because there are a lot
Speaker 1: of different things that are going to have to go
Speaker 1: into the next couple of weeks. Well, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I mentioned the option to restructure certain guys and that's
Speaker 1: been you know, you could read about it, and it's
Speaker 1: been speculated a lot recently. There's you know, I mentioned Tyrone,
Speaker 1: Zach and Marcus. You could restructure their deals again, Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: There's there's ways you can create millions and millions of
Speaker 1: salary cap space. And what you're doing is you're you're
Speaker 1: taking a big base salary and you're dropping it way
Speaker 1: down and taking that extra money and converting it too
Speaker 1: signing bonus that goes on the back end. It's the
Speaker 1: whole kick the can down the road thing and they
Speaker 1: do that all the time. Teams do that all the time.
Speaker 1: So I think they can probably do a lot of
Speaker 1: that and not have to do a bunch of salary
Speaker 1: cap casualties like you mentioned, Kyle. No people have speculated
Speaker 1: maybe Jalen Smith. They don't. I don't think they have
Speaker 1: to do that. It could be an option. Um, But
Speaker 1: to me, when you're looking at all of their needs,
Speaker 1: I would I would rather uh, knowing that you're you're
Speaker 1: you're thin on salary cap space, knowing you only have
Speaker 1: a certain amount of draft picks. How about Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: comes in and figures out the best way to use
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. I mean, that's that's kind of where I'm
Speaker 1: at with that. Um. But yeah, they've they've got to
Speaker 1: figure some stuff out. They will in terms of creating space,
Speaker 1: and UM, what I'm interested to see, guys is how
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see how this this free agency period
Speaker 1: works around the league. How many guys are going to
Speaker 1: take a bunch of one year deals. You know, is
Speaker 1: that going to be the thing guys betting on themselves
Speaker 1: and banking on everything turning around next year and try
Speaker 1: to cash in then and maybe you maybe you can
Speaker 1: wind up with some impact players on cheaper deals than
Speaker 1: you would think, depending on on on how guys want
Speaker 1: to approach free agency this year, or maybe not. Maybe
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to sign anybody because you
Speaker 1: don't have any room. I don't know. I'm fascinated to
Speaker 1: see it. Well, look at us, It's scenario time, boys
Speaker 1: and girls. So let's do this. Let's do this. Let's
Speaker 1: get specific, guys. Come on, let's get dirty. We've been
Speaker 1: I mean, spend two weeks and you know, Kyle almost
Speaker 1: started to fight with Isaiah. But so let's get into
Speaker 1: some specifics here. So if we're just in cap Hell
Speaker 1: and we're at the point where we're like, look, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna start this whole train rode over and we're
Speaker 1: gonna reboot with some more guys than I say, everybody
Speaker 1: last named Smith boy June first is traded a cut.
Speaker 1: All right. Let you while you're thinking about whose last
Speaker 1: name is Smith, then I'll tell you anybody past ninety
Speaker 1: ninety seven, All right, any number past ninety seven, you know,
Speaker 1: trader cut. We gotta get rid of, get rid of
Speaker 1: all of that. So basically, what you're doing is you're
Speaker 1: you're needing some you're needing some things on your defense,
Speaker 1: and that's where your draft and free agency is going
Speaker 1: to come in. Offensive line is still gonna be a
Speaker 1: problem for you because now you don't have a left tackle,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to get a guy there. And
Speaker 1: if you're telling me that you know the guy that
Speaker 1: we signed last year from Kansas City can come in
Speaker 1: and do it, then fine, all right, then we have
Speaker 1: to stick with him. But you still have a problem
Speaker 1: at right tackle, and no one knows when Leo Collins
Speaker 1: is coming back with those moves. I think you're healthy.
Speaker 1: Cat wise, you're able to bring in better players, maybe
Speaker 1: even better, be able to get a good second string
Speaker 1: quarterback from somewhere that gives you confidence. I don't know
Speaker 1: to start the season, but otherwise, those are some of
Speaker 1: the things that you're going to have to do specifically
Speaker 1: to turn this around ninety seven. When I when I
Speaker 1: keep we're here in ninety seven, I still think a
Speaker 1: taco I don't know, it's not it's not. It was
Speaker 1: a Driffin this year and he's so that's already done.
Speaker 1: And then it's above that, man Antoine Woods is above that.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, so I see where Hack was
Speaker 1: going with it. But they're free agents. But they're free agents.
Speaker 1: Tyrode's a free agent, Antoine is restricted. I think I
Speaker 1: thought wasn't bad. I didn't think he was that bad
Speaker 1: helping you at the one text spot. I don't know. Sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, But whether dan Quinn wants him or not,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a whole nother thing. Like we're just
Speaker 1: kind of broad stroking this thing. I want to get specific.
Speaker 1: Let's get down and dirty. I hear you, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not too far off from where heck is. Man,
Speaker 1: I be honest with you, I'm gonna look at my
Speaker 1: entire roster, and I'm gonna say everybody who's under contract
Speaker 1: right now, if I picked up the phone and called
Speaker 1: all thirty two teams, how many teams would trade or
Speaker 1: if with any team's trade and pick up this guy's contract.
Speaker 1: And if if I have to debate and figure out
Speaker 1: whether or not somebody else will want to pay for
Speaker 1: the same services I'm paying for, you might want to
Speaker 1: think about letting that person go. You might think about
Speaker 1: letting that person go. Um. And I think that's the
Speaker 1: situation that we're in right now. I mean you started
Speaker 1: talking about the last name Smith. If you picked up
Speaker 1: the phone right now and say, hey, you guys wanted
Speaker 1: his contract? Nah nah? Right, So so, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: that's not all on the player. That's on some of
Speaker 1: that's just bad contractual agreements by by the organization. But
Speaker 1: that's where I would start. That's where I would started,
Speaker 1: I was started, I would just pick apart my entire
Speaker 1: roster and figure out obviously this is what they're doing anyway,
Speaker 1: but I'll try figuring out who who has to be here,
Speaker 1: who do we absolutely need here, and who can who
Speaker 1: can we bring in possibly somebody else to do it
Speaker 1: the zact same road that they're doing and probably do
Speaker 1: it for cheaper. You want to hear something that might
Speaker 1: surprise might be the most surprising thing I've said today
Speaker 1: on this show, which is going to be something interesting
Speaker 1: for you guys to hear. But I wouldn't mind having
Speaker 1: fifty four back next year. And I'm talking about Jaylen Smith. Now.
Speaker 1: There's two conditions here, though. One, like Rob said earlier,
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn's gonna have to figure out a way to
Speaker 1: use him. I think that's bar none. That's the most
Speaker 1: important thing that Dan Quinn has to figure out is
Speaker 1: how the hell are we using Jalen Smith. How is
Speaker 1: he going to play next year? Is he going to
Speaker 1: be more of a pass rusher. Is he going to
Speaker 1: be somebody that's going to plug these gaps? Because right
Speaker 1: now he can't change direction and he can't necessarily plug
Speaker 1: a gap, so he's not physical enough to do that
Speaker 1: right now. I think you need to figure out a
Speaker 1: way to get Dan Quinn to fix Jaylen Smith. The
Speaker 1: second one is I wanted to restructure his contract and
Speaker 1: that would probably be the best way to do it.
Speaker 1: But I if those two things happen, would not mind
Speaker 1: seeing Jalen Smith back into Cowboys uniform. But at this moment,
Speaker 1: I don't know if even one of those things are
Speaker 1: going to happen. I just look at it, like seven high,
Speaker 1: two million dollars, right if I'm looking at that curb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean you're you're hit. You're getting a dead
Speaker 1: money hit too if you do it. I mean it's
Speaker 1: not it's it's not massive. But I just look at
Speaker 1: it like, Okay, you don't have Jalen Smith. That's another
Speaker 1: spot you go in the draft and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who's who's playing whatever linebacker position. For me, I just
Speaker 1: think a more please, thank you. Yeah, he's he's a stud.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, I mean, we've talked. You can
Speaker 1: name any you can name a lot of positions on
Speaker 1: this team right now and say yeah, they can use that,
Speaker 1: even in the first round, and then make a linebacker
Speaker 1: or another one. I guess that's what you'd have to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But this is all about trimming the fat, right, right,
Speaker 1: This is all about trimming the fat. So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: even though you might create more voids, but you're you're
Speaker 1: shedding some you're shedding some weight, right and if if
Speaker 1: rich out you're ready for our spring and summer bodies
Speaker 1: that we need we got, we gotta share some fat,
Speaker 1: right and become in my wheelhouse right now talking about
Speaker 1: you know what, So even though yeah, it might create
Speaker 1: another problem for you, it might be it might be
Speaker 1: the first step to your resolution. And that's not just
Speaker 1: that's just not just that position. That's at a lot
Speaker 1: of positions. Well, yeah, go ahead. Sorry, No, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say, you know, if you watch the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: man and you talk about linebacker play, Devin White, put
Speaker 1: everybody on notice and so if he is the where
Speaker 1: you start comparing your as your linebacker, then you have
Speaker 1: to start talking about Jalen Smith possibly moving to the
Speaker 1: mic linebacker and moving LV to the wheel because of
Speaker 1: just coverage and all of that. But you're still in
Speaker 1: a situation when you talk about dan Quinn bringing into
Speaker 1: four three and starting to have those reminiscing about twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen with these two guys, I think they're far removed
Speaker 1: from that, and so I may agree, you know that, Look,
Speaker 1: you can bring it back if your restructure, but it
Speaker 1: may be time just to move on because dan Quinn
Speaker 1: may not be able to salvage anything. They've moved him
Speaker 1: from Mike to Will, They've they've put him at the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. They've done a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you want to trust your eyes
Speaker 1: or look at film on him, as Jalen says, you know,
Speaker 1: the numbers are there. He's making a ton of tackles,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that that production correlates into difference
Speaker 1: maker on your defense, and that's what the Cowboys need. Hey,
Speaker 1: don't forget. He's also been given it the title of cornerstone, right,
Speaker 1: and Cornerstone, yeah, are we are we sold on Layton
Speaker 1: vander Esh too, And while we're talking about linebackers, are
Speaker 1: we sold on what he brings to the table as
Speaker 1: a as a young linebacker? Is his health and issue?
Speaker 1: Are we seeing a decline already? Are we worried about
Speaker 1: fifty five moving forward? I mean not just fifty four,
Speaker 1: but Rob mentioned if fifty four goes, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to fill them with somebody. But same thing with Layton Vanderesh.
Speaker 1: How much of a hole is he potentially on that defense?
Speaker 1: Will be your option coming up? I like, I like LV, man,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have to if you have to
Speaker 1: fight to put LB put it like this, if we
Speaker 1: had to compare to two, right, if we had compared
Speaker 1: to it, you're going to keep one. I think it's
Speaker 1: an easy it's an easy call for me to stick
Speaker 1: with Lvee. That's That's no shade that Jalen at all.
Speaker 1: I just I just like the way to he approaches
Speaker 1: the game. And for me, that's a lot. Obviously, I
Speaker 1: don't know all the classroom stuff and all that other
Speaker 1: jazz that that all the intangible is that really matter?
Speaker 1: But I like the way that LV approaches the game. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously all both of those guys need to improve, just
Speaker 1: like every other player in this league. But I feel
Speaker 1: like it appears as if he's more willing to, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, to adapt, and more willing to absorb information
Speaker 1: from coaches. Um, just when you just hear somebody, just
Speaker 1: when you hear them speak, right, Um, it's almost like
Speaker 1: Jay when Jalen speaks, it's almost like like, my stuff
Speaker 1: don't stink type type stuff. So it's like that's just
Speaker 1: from just from that alone, UM, I would go at
Speaker 1: LV if I had to pick betweenty two. I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree that with that, but also it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of funny how both of these guys came into the
Speaker 1: NFL with durability issues, with Laydon with the neck and
Speaker 1: also Jalen with the drop foot and knee issues. So
Speaker 1: look at this point, and even back to what Peace
Speaker 1: said about the fifth year option, the durability issues of
Speaker 1: your defense are your linebackers has got to be addressed.
Speaker 1: You've got to get some young studs in here that
Speaker 1: can get the job done. I think dan Quinn realizes
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have that long of a timeline. We
Speaker 1: got rid of Mike Nolan on twelve months into the job.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's not a lot of safety for
Speaker 1: these guys, so you gotta turn it around, especially when
Speaker 1: you talk about a historically bad defense and the linebacker
Speaker 1: played was so pits poor obviously with you know, bad
Speaker 1: defensive line player as well. Yeah, I'm I'm with the
Speaker 1: guys on it. I mean, I think I think he
Speaker 1: can play. I think he's he is a above average
Speaker 1: linebacker when he's healthy. I don't want to make a
Speaker 1: direct comparison to Sean Lee, but that's kind of what Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that's kind of way it's gone for him the last
Speaker 1: two years where I don't think he's been on the
Speaker 1: field enough to I don't know, find his rhythm, find
Speaker 1: you know, he just hasn't looked as comfortable overall as
Speaker 1: he did that rookie season when he was a pro bowler,
Speaker 1: And it's just unfortunately for him, it's just constantly been something.
Speaker 1: Um But I think, I think there's a good player
Speaker 1: in there, and I think more importantly, there's a guy
Speaker 1: that really I think he has committed to being a
Speaker 1: good football player. It's just going to be a matter
Speaker 1: of health and so yeah, I mean, but he's got
Speaker 1: one year left on his rookie deal unless they pick
Speaker 1: up his option. I don't know what they're gonna do there.
Speaker 1: I would think they would, but he has had some
Speaker 1: injuries that you know, it's it's Raises dry brows the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Yeah, I mean the linebacker position,
Speaker 1: at least in my eyes, is the most unstable part
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys defense, even though I know there are
Speaker 1: worst parts of the Cowboys defense, talking about maybe the
Speaker 1: cornerbacks and maybe the defensive tackles, But in terms of
Speaker 1: the most unstable, it would take one injury, two injuries.
Speaker 1: We saw that last year to really up in the
Speaker 1: entire linebackers room, and I think it's something that needs
Speaker 1: to be addressed this offseason. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: address it. I don't know if you just look for depth.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you just find a way. If
Speaker 1: you're Dan Quinn to figure things out. That's not my job, luckily.
Speaker 1: My job is to talk about it and ask about it.
Speaker 1: But we do have a We did have a trade
Speaker 1: in the division, and while we've got a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes left, wanted to get your thoughts on the trade.
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is no longer in the NFC East. He
Speaker 1: has been traded to the Indianapolis Colts for a conditional
Speaker 1: second round pick that could become a first round pick
Speaker 1: pretty much based on Carson Wentz health and then a
Speaker 1: third round pick plus Michael Pittman Junior, the Colts wide
Speaker 1: receiver who wore number eleven last year, was a rookie
Speaker 1: last year out of USC wide receiver, somebody Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: is going to be throwing the ball too, said no,
Speaker 1: you're not getting my number eleven. You are not wearing
Speaker 1: my jersey number. Carson Wentz, you come in and you're
Speaker 1: just as new as the rest of us. So respect.
Speaker 1: My question is do you do you like the trade
Speaker 1: for the Eagles? Is it nice to have Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: out of the out of the division or is this
Speaker 1: a sad day for Cowboys fans that you won't have
Speaker 1: eleven throwing the ball to your team? And yes, I
Speaker 1: mean the Cowboys for any twice twice a year anymore?
Speaker 1: Well I'll go first, Eagles suck, and you know, I
Speaker 1: absolutely love it. You know how backwards was that they
Speaker 1: take on a thirty three million, thirty four million dollar
Speaker 1: cap hit and they trade it Carson Wentz for a
Speaker 1: black and mile and a golf bag. It makes no sense.
Speaker 1: But at the same in the same breath, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna miss him. I never thought he was
Speaker 1: any good at all in the comparison between he and
Speaker 1: dak As. I've always believed that dak was a better
Speaker 1: quarterback and people know that as well. But you know,
Speaker 1: he's out of here, and unfortunately for those guys in
Speaker 1: his division, he'll be able to serve up those hot turnovers.
Speaker 1: And the wind sucks too. And you know, the Eagles
Speaker 1: are just gonna be in a situation where they're not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to bring in a bunch of talent
Speaker 1: because of that cap hit. And you know, when you
Speaker 1: talk about teams in the NFC East and you look
Speaker 1: at how bad things are for you, just look around.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can find a neighbor that is in
Speaker 1: worse than shape. And the Eagles are in a bad place.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to beat them twice this year.
Speaker 1: So do we move? Do we move? Mondays? I mean
Speaker 1: Fridays and Mondays now that we're only once a week
Speaker 1: that we're doing. I miss you guys. I miss you
Speaker 1: guys now. I think I Honestly, I think I think
Speaker 1: Wins needed a fresh start. I think how he's obviously
Speaker 1: been bad for for a little while now I think
Speaker 1: Nick Falls is better than him while while he had
Speaker 1: his time there, honestly, but I think he needs a
Speaker 1: fresh start. Man. I don't think that he has a
Speaker 1: lack of talent. I think he actually has talent. I
Speaker 1: just think that he's he just mentally just couldn't get
Speaker 1: his together. So I think that Indianappa has actually got
Speaker 1: a pretty doug on good deal. Yeah, those guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: they stole him. So I think that if he has
Speaker 1: a I think if you have a resurgence and confidence
Speaker 1: um with the new way, and that happens with the
Speaker 1: new start, sometimes you you you remember who you were
Speaker 1: at one point in time. I think that Indianappa has
Speaker 1: won the deal. And in Philly, yeah they got they
Speaker 1: got got, as we say in the hood. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I feel like, based on it was a pretty
Speaker 1: small sample size of Jalen Hurts, but I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good. I mean, watching him for whatever
Speaker 1: four starts, it was like, damn for a rookie, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem. He's gonna be a problem and
Speaker 1: give credit to the Cowboys in December for kind of
Speaker 1: keeping him in the pocket and making him uncomfortable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and for a young player, that's tough. But I think
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get better. And I you know,
Speaker 1: I know people were thinking, maybe, you know, Eagles could
Speaker 1: still draft quarterback in the first round. They could be
Speaker 1: in play in the top ten to give competition. But
Speaker 1: I would look at drafting an alignment or a receiver
Speaker 1: or somebody to help him because I think, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I Wentz is out of the division, but I think
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that they build around him properly
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have, you know, all these injuries around
Speaker 1: him like Wins did. I think Jalen Hurts could be
Speaker 1: a really good quarterback in this division that you got
Speaker 1: to deal with for a while. A lot of people
Speaker 1: don't believe that. I think you might be in the
Speaker 1: minority there and you think so disagree. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you might be. Now, I don't disagree with you, though.
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Hurts is a winner. He's proven that
Speaker 1: both at Oklahoma and at Alabama, and he got his
Speaker 1: way to the Philadelphia side of things and instantly provided
Speaker 1: a jolt to that offense. So we'll see if he
Speaker 1: ends up being the quarterback that ends up being the
Speaker 1: future for Philadelphia. But right now you look at Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz and just say, hey, maybe now that he's out
Speaker 1: of the division, he can turn into the top notch
Speaker 1: prospect he supposed to be with Indianapolis, and I think
Speaker 1: that's what the Colts maybe looking for as well as
Speaker 1: a replacement for Philip Rivers. But that's going to do
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