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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to another show. Nick are smirking. That's rare to
Speaker 1: see going Okay? Well, short, short, yeah, yeah, short, short,
Speaker 1: short show. Um, real quick. Yesterday we spend the whole
Speaker 1: time pretty much talking about Amari Cooper and I wanted
Speaker 1: to really throw it quickly to you. You got a
Speaker 1: chance to get first step on him yesterday and talk
Speaker 1: to talk to him yesterday. I wanted to hear what
Speaker 1: were some of the things that he said? How what
Speaker 1: were your first impressions? Well, this will be short. Um.
Speaker 1: He walked right in, walked by the weight room, locker room,
Speaker 1: went sat down. He didn't talk to anybody else other
Speaker 1: than than our set, and I got to talk to
Speaker 1: him before Jason Garrett, which was which was good. I
Speaker 1: was told he doesn't do a lot of interviews, doesn't
Speaker 1: talk a lot, and I was like, okay, well, well's
Speaker 1: all right, it'll be fine, It'll be fine. And it
Speaker 1: was one of the toughest interviews I've ever done. As
Speaker 1: you can see on the website, he's a nice guy.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of talking to like a ten year
Speaker 1: old eleven year old, a shy kid. If you leave
Speaker 1: them an out, they'll take it. They're not just gonna
Speaker 1: open up. So I didn't ask the best questions in
Speaker 1: the world because he was kind of like, yep, you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, how does that sound, Dallas Cowboy? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm Mark Cooper News Dallas Cowboy, And he was like,
Speaker 1: sounds good. And I knew right then that it was
Speaker 1: going to be on U And it was tough. But
Speaker 1: you know, he talked about working hard, he talked about
Speaker 1: wanting to win games, like that's his focus as to
Speaker 1: win games. And as I said so times on Twitter,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of wide receivers around this team in
Speaker 1: the last few years that do a lot of talking.
Speaker 1: So if he's not one that does a lot of talking,
Speaker 1: that's maybe a good thing. Well, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, can he play, That'll be a lost important
Speaker 1: anyone cares about. We'll see now moving on from that,
Speaker 1: since we spend a lot of time on him yesterday,
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on real quick. He's here, he practiced,
Speaker 1: We were out there practice. Where is that what you
Speaker 1: were touching on? Big old just big looking dude, fills
Speaker 1: out that uniform. Nice. Yeah, that's always good football. That's
Speaker 1: always good that you're like, you know, you're like, he's
Speaker 1: a stud. I get a good thing to say about
Speaker 1: a guy, but it sounds weird. I get uncomfortable every
Speaker 1: year during Jeff season when people start talking about the
Speaker 1: thickness of the thighs and all that. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: that's a little much. Man. He's got so much for me.
Speaker 1: He got some on him. Jerry Jones is like famous
Speaker 1: quote when he was like, Troyman looks good getting out
Speaker 1: of the shower. Yeah, just like too much for me.
Speaker 1: There's a strange dichotomy there. We don't have to get
Speaker 1: into it on this show, but there's a strange dichotomy
Speaker 1: in football doubt anyway. Well, today the plan is to
Speaker 1: talk about the game since we haven't had a chance
Speaker 1: to do so, even though it's Wednesday already. But there
Speaker 1: are still things to discuss, and I know you two
Speaker 1: have a little debate going on, but before we get
Speaker 1: into it, I wanted to go over the injuries that
Speaker 1: have happened since then. Randy Gregory, he had a minor
Speaker 1: knee scope and he's supposed to be back by the
Speaker 1: time when you're about to say, before you say it,
Speaker 1: go ahead. What is nothing minor about a surgery? Yes, well,
Speaker 1: I mean something like that, but football football and football
Speaker 1: players are insane like that's I mean, yeah, he had
Speaker 1: this minor thing where we went into his knee and
Speaker 1: gug gug loose cartilage out of it and just you know,
Speaker 1: we cut him open, but he's he'll be ready. Cut
Speaker 1: you open for a scope, though, do they? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean surgery, Well yeah, you have to go. They open.
Speaker 1: It was just like a little like the distickle. It's
Speaker 1: like almost like a well, like an injection going is
Speaker 1: it's certain you're right now, you're going, you're right. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like they it's not like it's put it
Speaker 1: on PBS, but I mean to watch it's they invaded
Speaker 1: his body with the foreign object and doug stuff. Every
Speaker 1: time you get a okay, so downplay this. He got
Speaker 1: a knee scope and they expect him to be ready
Speaker 1: for Monday. That's crazy to me, It's not crazy. That's okay.
Speaker 1: By week to rest very time. Whatever. Chill out today,
Speaker 1: chill out tomorrow, get some rest, take advantage. I've heard
Speaker 1: you wine enough about your running injuries to say, and
Speaker 1: what I do. I keep running through away, just away
Speaker 1: for me, seriously, we're not going back there. You're not
Speaker 1: going back there, need less to say. Based on what
Speaker 1: they said, it's nothing major. It's a minor thing. But
Speaker 1: it's kind of common for these guys to get now.
Speaker 1: Geoff's Jeff Swain. Jeff Swain, he sprained his mcl against
Speaker 1: the Redskins, and any updates on how major this one is.
Speaker 1: No real concrete update. J he was getting an MRI yesterday.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's hopeful that it's a sooner rather than later
Speaker 1: type of deal, but he wasn't willing to speak concretely
Speaker 1: about it. Hopeful for some more information later in the week.
Speaker 1: I mean, sprain MCLs always seem to be two to four,
Speaker 1: That's what it always seems to be. I mean, every
Speaker 1: injury is different. I get it. And that's what Malik
Speaker 1: Collins had and he missed. He got he got hurt
Speaker 1: in a week two and he wasn't back until the
Speaker 1: Jags game. So but you know that being said one
Speaker 1: week would be you know, to the buye weekend. Two
Speaker 1: weeks is which and the Titans in a Monday night game.
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, I don't know. I mean, you'd probably call
Speaker 1: it a sprain as well, sprained his knee, but I'd
Speaker 1: be shocked if he's not ready for the Titans game.
Speaker 1: So that's true, but come back into the game. No
Speaker 1: two injuries are the same, and no two players are
Speaker 1: the same. So but since you got seventeen tight ends
Speaker 1: on this team, you can do whatever you can. Bring
Speaker 1: No Brown back and he can be tighten. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't bring up an interesting point though about the tight
Speaker 1: ends it's been. I mean, I think this season we've
Speaker 1: seen that Jeff Swain has been the predominant guy at
Speaker 1: tight end. He's played more than anybody else. That does
Speaker 1: open up a really interesting question of who's going to
Speaker 1: take over that role. Will they be just blitting that
Speaker 1: role and now you're gonna have a different tight end
Speaker 1: in and tight end in their every play, like or
Speaker 1: both terrifying both. I mean, no, that's and that's not
Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff, Jeff's a good player. I don't think
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, it's it's not like losing
Speaker 1: Jason Witten, but it still is. That's the best of
Speaker 1: what they have. He is the only one of the
Speaker 1: four that I trust to handle blocking and route running
Speaker 1: assignments and catch the ball when it is thrown at him.
Speaker 1: He's the only one that I remotely trust. Think about
Speaker 1: how many snaps he has and how many targets he
Speaker 1: has this year, I mean that means he's doing what
Speaker 1: he's blocking, and if he's probably the best of that,
Speaker 1: he's actually pretty good. That's pretty good. He's not Martella Spinet,
Speaker 1: but he's not bad at all. And that's actually one
Speaker 1: of the interesting things I think when because if memory
Speaker 1: started to me correct when he first got here, I
Speaker 1: don't think he was that good of a blocker, and
Speaker 1: it seems like that's a part of his game that
Speaker 1: he's developed and worked on and gotten really good at.
Speaker 1: Whitton wasn't a good blocker, No, he wasn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's getting away at you. But if you can be
Speaker 1: a tide end that can get in the way. Oh,
Speaker 1: he told me that that's one of the things that
Speaker 1: he's the most proud of, this blocking game and yeah,
Speaker 1: Jeff he I asked him when he got his first touchdown,
Speaker 1: was it Yeah, when he got his first touchdow, I
Speaker 1: asked him, I'm like, hey, how does that feel like? Okay?
Speaker 1: Do you like better now being able to catch the
Speaker 1: ball and make plays or do you prefer blocking? And
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I prefer blocking. I That's what I
Speaker 1: love doing and that's what he's the most proud of doing.
Speaker 1: So so that's gonna be that's gonna be a big No,
Speaker 1: that would be a big loss. I didn't say it
Speaker 1: is a huge problem if he's out for any extended period.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of those situations where the
Speaker 1: depth chart order might be a certain way now because
Speaker 1: you know swaying up there, and then you fill in
Speaker 1: in the other guys. But because of what he does
Speaker 1: predominantly and what that position does, you might see some
Speaker 1: changes in Wait, I mean think about who might start.
Speaker 1: I think Rico probably will start now. Yeah, I might
Speaker 1: be your best flocker. No, it's not gonna be Schultz.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, Um, And I don't know if
Speaker 1: Jarwin's really that that great of a blocker either. I
Speaker 1: think Rico might be your best blocker there. But don't
Speaker 1: don't forget too, You've got some Darian. I can't believe
Speaker 1: I almost went there, almost went there. Who's seventy five Fleming?
Speaker 1: Fleming ran yea, not even thinking about Byron Bell? You
Speaker 1: went back, like way back in the I yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point you could use. He really isn't that old,
Speaker 1: dar Now, Darren Williams, isn't that old? You could use
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming as a as a you know, a tackle
Speaker 1: tight end, although obviously he doesn't give you anything as
Speaker 1: a pass catching threat. But that's if Jeff swam. If
Speaker 1: Jeff Swain is out for a serious period of time,
Speaker 1: I think you either need to think about finding another
Speaker 1: tight end or which I don't believe this will happen,
Speaker 1: or adjusting the way you play and using fewer tight ends.
Speaker 1: No I know, yeah, I don't expect that to happen either.
Speaker 1: So well you also, but you don't have Tavon right now,
Speaker 1: so that may affect their ability to want to do that,
Speaker 1: because when you want it to do that, you had
Speaker 1: Tavon in the mix, right That's which is why this
Speaker 1: is so curious and why I'll be interested. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe something will come out today. But also Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: talks again tomorrow, and I'm sure he will be asked
Speaker 1: about that, because I don't like the idea of trying
Speaker 1: to play games without him the way that this team
Speaker 1: likes to play. When do we know anything about Noah
Speaker 1: Brown and when he could possibly be back he can practice?
Speaker 1: Actually saw him this morning doing routes on air, just
Speaker 1: you know, with a strength coach, nothing official or serious looking,
Speaker 1: but running routes. They could start his clock and bring
Speaker 1: him back to practice today if they wanted to, and
Speaker 1: he can play starting week nine, so he could play
Speaker 1: against the Titans if they wanted to do that. But
Speaker 1: the reason why I say this, because he is the
Speaker 1: reason why he has been here I think for so long,
Speaker 1: is because they think he is a value to them
Speaker 1: as a blocker, and they do motion him a lot
Speaker 1: into situations where they want to block in line a
Speaker 1: little bit more, so you know, maybe that's some way
Speaker 1: to offset that a little bit. Well. Also, you gotta
Speaker 1: you know there's more evaluations going on than just him,
Speaker 1: because you've got guys on injury reserve. Two of these
Speaker 1: players can come back this year, he would be one
Speaker 1: of them, and then whoever else you want. Travis Frederick
Speaker 1: was another guy that could be. I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: believes Travis Frederick is going to come back and play
Speaker 1: this year. I don't. I don't anyone that walks they
Speaker 1: can see him walking around, would think that. Yeah, Terrence Williams,
Speaker 1: I don't believe it's coming back again ever, and anybody
Speaker 1: else than I are it's Travis Terrence. So no, you
Speaker 1: know Dayton Jones. Dayton Jones also somebody I completely forgot
Speaker 1: about um so much that I can't even remember his
Speaker 1: freaking name. Um the guard, the guard who heardst there
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, I forgot all about him as well. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, completely forgot. I wonder how much they
Speaker 1: could have used him this year. We'll never know those
Speaker 1: the fun what ifs of a football season. That much
Speaker 1: he had work to do. I mean, he came in
Speaker 1: looking like a guard and a tackle, so he needed to. Well.
Speaker 1: When we just talking yesterday about having that bigger body,
Speaker 1: although maybe that helps a little bit, it is it's
Speaker 1: a name to remember for next year when you're talking
Speaker 1: about problems on this offensive line though, just saying yeah,
Speaker 1: so not to I mean, that's February talk or March talk,
Speaker 1: but we've got to talk about something time. Um. And
Speaker 1: then the last guy I almost forgot to mention is
Speaker 1: the cornerback C J. Goodwin, who is expected to have
Speaker 1: surgery after an arm fracture. Another great point, having surgery
Speaker 1: on his broken forearm. I think he had it yesterday
Speaker 1: and literally, like this was the conversation, was like, so
Speaker 1: he'll go on IR and Jason Garrett was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: not necessarily. We'll see, we'll see what his timetable is
Speaker 1: and see if it's realistic to keep him. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: are you insane? Broke your forearm like just snapped it
Speaker 1: in two And they're like, he's wrapping up things. Could
Speaker 1: he'll he's throw on the team in special teams tackles already. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm Barry Church did that two or three years ago.
Speaker 1: Like maybe his bones, I don't know, maybe his bones
Speaker 1: can heal. Hiks. What he's doing is running down on
Speaker 1: punts and making plays. Can you play the cast? Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I mean, it's his it's not his foot,
Speaker 1: it's his right Okay, but you need your arm to tackle,
Speaker 1: not necessarily if you got a cast on it, you
Speaker 1: could still especially if it's kind of cast it doesn't
Speaker 1: encumber his hands. Well didn't he still could? You're you're right,
Speaker 1: right down and make a tackle. You're right. But also
Speaker 1: the main thing there is the rundown there, getting the
Speaker 1: guy's face and make them call faircatch. That's the main
Speaker 1: thing that you know, so especially in today's game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, exactly. Okay, I'm talking about meta humans here.
Speaker 1: They're not they are. They're meta humans. They're different, they're
Speaker 1: different species than the rest of us. Believe that. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: if they need band aids, probably not. I'm thinking they
Speaker 1: just laughed at all that. Yeah, let's take our first
Speaker 1: break and when we come back, we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: the game, the details of the game play, calling and
Speaker 1: all that, and I'll throw the debate over to that side.
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Speaker 1: we are back on the final segment of today's show. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna light up this match and throw it over
Speaker 1: there and walk away. So there's aussion going to be there.
Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, the game ended four days. Stop it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get you high up right now, all right, and
Speaker 1: you better bring it if you want to win this argument.
Speaker 1: All right. One of you saying that the play calling
Speaker 1: was good, another one was saying another play calling wasn't good,
Speaker 1: or that it should have been a little different than
Speaker 1: the decisions. Let me started start. I don't even think
Speaker 1: that that that statement is that accurate, but I'll just
Speaker 1: essentially that is. But essentially, because I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be hypocritical here, Derek knows this. The ball was at
Speaker 1: the thirty seven yard line at one point. He asked me,
Speaker 1: how many more yards do you need? And I said
Speaker 1: thirty seven seven I need I want them to score.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was personal preference. I don't want to go
Speaker 1: to overtime again. Let's do this, Let's let's get it done. Um,
Speaker 1: but I do think just when you when Jason's get
Speaker 1: and killed about managing the game. I think when four
Speaker 1: minutes to go, you're down by ten, and to think,
Speaker 1: you know what, you're gonna have a forty six yard
Speaker 1: field goal to tie this game, everyone would have taken it.
Speaker 1: I thought they managed it well to get to that point,
Speaker 1: forty six yards forty seven yards, and then of course
Speaker 1: we saw what happened. The snapper got an a penalty
Speaker 1: called on him and the kicker missed the kick. So
Speaker 1: but I thought to that point, I thought Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: did a good job of getting him there. Could have
Speaker 1: been better. Yeah, it could have been better, But I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's my taking. And you you made a
Speaker 1: really good point, and I'll own it. Like we were
Speaker 1: on the sideline at the end of that game, and
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm like, well, what do you stand
Speaker 1: to lose by going for the onside kick, like you
Speaker 1: gotta get you have to hold him to a three
Speaker 1: and out, and they did, but you didn't know that
Speaker 1: at the time. So you're like on side kick, if
Speaker 1: you don't get it, you can still get the ball back.
Speaker 1: Even if you're pinned, you still have a chance they
Speaker 1: didn't do that. They played it great. Sean Lee forced
Speaker 1: Alex Smith out of bound. So I agree with you
Speaker 1: in the sense that trailing by ten with four minutes
Speaker 1: to play, they did a really good job to put
Speaker 1: themselves in position to extend the game. But fifty two
Speaker 1: seconds to play and a time out on the opponent's
Speaker 1: forty six yard line, you've been out played basically all day,
Speaker 1: and you have a chance to, in the best case scenario,
Speaker 1: steal a win from the opponent, or, in the worst
Speaker 1: case scenario, kick a field goal. I just I don't
Speaker 1: believe they tried hard enough to put themselves in a
Speaker 1: position to succeed, even if it's only a field goal.
Speaker 1: H This was the sequence. It's first and ten from
Speaker 1: the forty six. They throw a nine yard pass to
Speaker 1: be Beasley along the far side line. He goes out
Speaker 1: of bounds, and do I have that right? Well, it
Speaker 1: says short pass short right to Beasley for nine yards.
Speaker 1: Here we go. No, No, I'm sorry, No, the long
Speaker 1: past to Beasley along the sidelines set them up on
Speaker 1: the forty six. Yes, Then they throw short to Beasley
Speaker 1: along the right side, which two he does not get
Speaker 1: out of bounds and to the credit of people that
Speaker 1: defend this, Like if it's a better thrown ball, Beasley
Speaker 1: probably keeps running and it's a different story. But I
Speaker 1: just I didn't like the way they carried themselves. He
Speaker 1: goes down after nine yards, they jogged to the line.
Speaker 1: I mean they threw that, you know, the play star
Speaker 1: of fifty two seconds left, they snapped the next ball
Speaker 1: with twenty eight it's another pass over the middle, which
Speaker 1: don't like that, and they kind of jogged to the line,
Speaker 1: and then there's a review and then there's twelve seconds left,
Speaker 1: and like, honestly, at that point then you've made your bed.
Speaker 1: So that's not I'm not the guy sitting here saying,
Speaker 1: with twelve seconds to play, you should have been taking
Speaker 1: shots at the end zone. No, with fifty two seconds
Speaker 1: to play, I mean, how many times have we seen
Speaker 1: Jason Witten run the five yard out to move yourself closer?
Speaker 1: You know, like in that situation, like where are the
Speaker 1: short quick passes to get out of bounds? And that's
Speaker 1: Tony Romo was saying it. Obviously we couldn't hear it
Speaker 1: at the time, but Tony Romo is like, I'm running
Speaker 1: short stuff, running slants, I'm keeping my time out alive,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to move into field goal range, and then
Speaker 1: I want to take a want to attack the end
Speaker 1: zone at least a couple of times perfectly said Tony,
Speaker 1: well done. And they didn't do that, Like they got
Speaker 1: literally to the edge of what is considered makeable field
Speaker 1: goal range, and we're like, that's good for us. May
Speaker 1: ask you this question. Let's assume for a second the
Speaker 1: Cowboys went the route that you did and they got
Speaker 1: to a point where they were able to attack and
Speaker 1: actually throw to the end zone. Do you think there
Speaker 1: was any concern by the coach or should have been
Speaker 1: concerned by the coach that if you get into that scenario,
Speaker 1: you don't know that you want to do that. He'd
Speaker 1: already been sacked four times that day, and the likelihood
Speaker 1: that he gets sacked in the situation like that, in
Speaker 1: my mind, there was relatively high probability that that could happen.
Speaker 1: And it then pushes you out of field goal range.
Speaker 1: Are you get off or maybe gets a turnover? Are
Speaker 1: you all concerned about that or the fact that Connor
Speaker 1: Williams couldn't block anyone that day? Lyle Collins was having
Speaker 1: an all kinds of problems. Tyrant Smith. They were getting
Speaker 1: called for holding as well, And if they're gonna sit
Speaker 1: there and call a holding a snap in fraction at
Speaker 1: that point and juncture in the game, then they'll definitely
Speaker 1: call a holding as well. So I think that that
Speaker 1: has to play a factor into like you're are there,
Speaker 1: now you're getting greedy. We could be back and lose
Speaker 1: this whole thing. I have two thoughts to that one.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett himself said yesterday that as bad as they
Speaker 1: were overall, he thought that the final two scoring or
Speaker 1: the final two drives, the scoring drive, the Dak rushing
Speaker 1: touchdown and then the missfield goal says the cleanest the
Speaker 1: line played all day. So they were playing well according
Speaker 1: to the two drives, they were playing well. On top
Speaker 1: of that, Fabian Moreau, who's your number two cornerback because
Speaker 1: Quentin Dunbar didn't play, gets hurt on the eighteen whatever
Speaker 1: yard completion to Beasley the third down right there. So
Speaker 1: you've got reserves playing corner and so you're over your
Speaker 1: O lines playing well. Washington Secondary's depleted this pro football, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta, yeah, there's a risk, you gotta
Speaker 1: take some risks. If you want to win, and I
Speaker 1: just and like I said, I mean, maybe maybe asking
Speaker 1: them to go score a touchdown is a tall order,
Speaker 1: but with fifty two seconds in a time out, I
Speaker 1: like to think you could at least get down near
Speaker 1: the red zone and at the very least give Bret
Speaker 1: Maher an easy kick instead of a very difficult one.
Speaker 1: I think that's the part I agree with you most on.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I ever would have seeing how
Speaker 1: this game played. I know what he said about those
Speaker 1: last two drives, but I know I was thinking as
Speaker 1: they were driving, don't take a sack. Don't take a sack,
Speaker 1: because they had been in his grill all day, and
Speaker 1: so my thought was they could have probably managed to
Speaker 1: clock better and maybe that gets them an extra player
Speaker 1: two and if they use it on short pit passes,
Speaker 1: that could just kind of move them a little closer. Now,
Speaker 1: even if you get the same exact penalty you got,
Speaker 1: you still are within range for Brett Maha to be
Speaker 1: able to make that kick. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: without the penalty, I think that kid goes in, you know,
Speaker 1: just a little bit back further and him pulling it
Speaker 1: just a slight bit to where it hit the upright.
Speaker 1: I don't think that happens if he's got four more
Speaker 1: five more yards. So if they would have just done
Speaker 1: enough to get that five more yards, you probably have
Speaker 1: a different outcome. So I agree with you from that stamp. Well,
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a systematic thing with football coaches,
Speaker 1: and this is an this isn't Jason Garrett specific, but
Speaker 1: I I really truly believe like most football coaches, in
Speaker 1: their heart of hearts are going to make the decision
Speaker 1: that's easier to defend than than necessarily the right decision. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I don't think, I really I think. I
Speaker 1: think the public perception is I really don't. It's not
Speaker 1: about I don't. I don't think most coaches do. I
Speaker 1: it's not so much public perception, but like people get
Speaker 1: fired over this stuff, and so I think, like when
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they want to be like, well,
Speaker 1: what what do you want me to do? Like I
Speaker 1: did the smart thing instead of the bold thing. So
Speaker 1: how many times, how do we account for? How many
Speaker 1: times over the last two or three weeks in the
Speaker 1: NFL have we seen coaches do unconventional things and a
Speaker 1: lot of them have backfired on them and it ended
Speaker 1: up being I call that didn't win the game. I
Speaker 1: think it's changing, and I don't think it's a coincidence
Speaker 1: that a lot of those types of decisions are younger,
Speaker 1: newer head coaches making them, like Doug Peterson and Mike Rabel.
Speaker 1: And a lot of this has to do, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: with the overtime rules that I think have got to
Speaker 1: be I hate, You've got to get this thing figured
Speaker 1: out in some way in overtime. I don't care about
Speaker 1: the TV. I know they do a TV and the
Speaker 1: time and all that stuff, but I think it's affecting things.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, you know what, I got a
Speaker 1: better shot to go win this game at the two
Speaker 1: point conversion than to go to play overtime. We're seeing
Speaker 1: that a little bit more. That's another point too, which
Speaker 1: is like you know, you're like, well they haven't been
Speaker 1: playing and well all day, like just just get to overtime. Well,
Speaker 1: let's play out overtime. Like worst case scenario, Washington gets
Speaker 1: the ball, drives down the field. Okay, if they score
Speaker 1: a touchdown, games over. So let's say they kick a
Speaker 1: field goal, they kick off back to you and you
Speaker 1: start at your twenty five, and now you've got to
Speaker 1: go at least fifty yards to get into makeable fuel
Speaker 1: goal range, if not the whole seventy five yards to
Speaker 1: win the game. You don't know how much time you
Speaker 1: got on the clock exactly. You could get the ball
Speaker 1: back with two minutes for or whatever. So even if
Speaker 1: you get to overtime, your offense, unless something crazy happens
Speaker 1: like a pick six, your offense has to put together
Speaker 1: a fifty sixty seventy yard drive instead, you're already on
Speaker 1: the forty six. Why not just try to end the
Speaker 1: thing right there? Like and again, I know it's a
Speaker 1: lot easier said than done, but they didn't even really try,
Speaker 1: right and that they did the issue issues that they
Speaker 1: didn't try. They didn't try at all, And I don't think, honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think the results would have been different. Probably
Speaker 1: I do think that the results could have probably turned
Speaker 1: out to them having a few more yards and maybe
Speaker 1: that gets you to overtime, But I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they necessarily get at the endzone.
Speaker 1: It no, and the way that even if they were trying,
Speaker 1: I don't know that they necessarily getting enzone, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it, There's no I can't sit here and say
Speaker 1: they definitely would have scored. This offense doesn't deserve that
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. But when Cole Beasley catches the
Speaker 1: ball for nine yards at the Washington thirty seven with
Speaker 1: thirty two seconds to play, and there's like no urgency whatsoever,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what's going on here? Why are y'all?
Speaker 1: Why is this good enough for y'all? What would you
Speaker 1: like to see them do in that situation? Are you
Speaker 1: wanting them to run ups clock the ball that stops
Speaker 1: the clock, because I assume you're still believing that they
Speaker 1: need to save that time out right. If let's say, okay,
Speaker 1: they completed to Beasley for nine yards, I probably run
Speaker 1: like a quick sneak or a quick run or no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, spike the ball quick. So then it's third
Speaker 1: and one, quick play, slant route somethings or something to
Speaker 1: the outside, and then see where we're at at that
Speaker 1: point they were at is because that's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say. At that point they would have been well,
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been third and one? I would have you
Speaker 1: would have spiked it to get to third and one right,
Speaker 1: and then it would have been third and one at
Speaker 1: the Washington thirty one, So you're already in field goal range.
Speaker 1: You would assume, right, you're assuming at that point as
Speaker 1: long as you want to take a sack at that point.
Speaker 1: Thirty yes, thirty seven, you're right, you're right. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you said something though about you five more yards
Speaker 1: would have you know, it would have been a difference there,
Speaker 1: and they could have gotten five more yards, but they
Speaker 1: they did that though they were already there. They were
Speaker 1: there for a forty seven yard field goal. Right. My
Speaker 1: point is, if you had one more play and let's
Speaker 1: say you could pick up five more yards, then even
Speaker 1: with the penalty, he still are at you know, you're
Speaker 1: still kicking a field goal that's under fifty and with
Speaker 1: those extra yards, I think pulling it means it probably
Speaker 1: even if it hits up right, scan it scantly hits
Speaker 1: it and bounces end versus hitting it square and bouncing
Speaker 1: back right. I mean, or you know them on the
Speaker 1: lat on the drive before that, the swing pass to
Speaker 1: Zeke that inexplic like the weirdest play of the entire game,
Speaker 1: where Zach zach Dac missed Zeke on a swing route.
Speaker 1: Run that again. Run something towards the sideline. Again, I
Speaker 1: know he's not on the team, but somebody else can
Speaker 1: run Jason Witten's route that he was so good at.
Speaker 1: You run three yards, does it regularly break towards the sideline,
Speaker 1: something that's going to stop the clock. And again I
Speaker 1: completely agree it's a slim bet that they actually score
Speaker 1: a touchdown. But just the lack of even trying, and
Speaker 1: you can even take an argument and don't even say that,
Speaker 1: just say don't just like the Baltimore game five or
Speaker 1: six years ago, where you know they're like, well, Bailey
Speaker 1: for fifty one like that, you know he can make it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to settle for a kick.
Speaker 1: You can try to make it an extra point type
Speaker 1: field goal. Right, It's a tough balance. I just think overall,
Speaker 1: I don't think game management there was poor. They had
Speaker 1: a chance to tie the game, and weird things happened
Speaker 1: and they missed. But I mean, I don't disagree one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. You could have done a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But I can see with the way that Lyon was playing,
Speaker 1: which when that goes, okay, forget what I you know,
Speaker 1: if you disagree with me. Forget what I said about
Speaker 1: coaching coaches making safe decisions. But I can see in
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's mind, you are in Brett Maher's makeable range,
Speaker 1: and if you keep throwing the ball and something terrible happens,
Speaker 1: then you get killed for yeah, for being greedy when
Speaker 1: you're already in his range. But it's a windy day
Speaker 1: outdoors in the fall. I would at least try to
Speaker 1: get him closer. But every time you started relying on
Speaker 1: who you think would get the job done for you
Speaker 1: does when he bites you in the butt. But isn't
Speaker 1: that also the definition of what it is to be
Speaker 1: versus a conservative coach versus more aggressive coaching. He keeps
Speaker 1: maintain and he's an aggressive coach, but what we've seen
Speaker 1: this year suggests that that's not necessarily the case. In
Speaker 1: this instance, the instance of going forward on fourth down,
Speaker 1: those are more he's shown more of an example of
Speaker 1: being of being a conservative minded coach than an aggressive line.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he's he's he's showing that
Speaker 1: he's a coach that's actually seeing what's happening and going, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play off the percentages here right then, that's
Speaker 1: what conservative is. We didn't get one inch on third
Speaker 1: and one, so now on fourth and one, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get it. Our defense is playing well. I have a
Speaker 1: good punter. I can stop. I'm not disagreeing. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but that's the definition of conservative. Conservative means I'm gonna
Speaker 1: calculate everything, and I'm gonna make it calculated decision. Aggressive
Speaker 1: means I listen all that, but I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: my gut and say I'm just gonna go for it
Speaker 1: because I think that's what I need to do in
Speaker 1: order to get a win. That's why to me, playing
Speaker 1: to win the game and playing to not lose the
Speaker 1: game is the exact same. That's why I believe that
Speaker 1: for that very reason right there is that it's it's
Speaker 1: all the same either way, the result is exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Whether you're aggressive to get there or you're calculated, it's
Speaker 1: the same. That's I can argue this all day. We
Speaker 1: every time a game ends this way. Nick and I
Speaker 1: fight about this because and it's it's fine. I see
Speaker 1: his point, but I think that's yeah, read the situation,
Speaker 1: and I just think being aggressive more aggressive there it
Speaker 1: gives you your best chance to win, and that's at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. Jason Garrett still has to
Speaker 1: make those decisions, so he gets credit for them. But
Speaker 1: I believe most of his aggressive decisions have been painfully obvious.
Speaker 1: But it's not like he's it's not like they're truly
Speaker 1: that aggressive. It's like, well, yeah, it's fourth and half
Speaker 1: an inch, of course, you know. That kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to my point too real quick. When you guys
Speaker 1: talk about coaches caring what the what they're gonna get
Speaker 1: killed for, if that were the case, I think he
Speaker 1: would have been more aggressive because what does he getting
Speaker 1: killed for right now? Being too conservative, he decided, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna still go with the percentages. The percentages say, we
Speaker 1: get into this range, we're gonna be a little more
Speaker 1: thoughtful about what we're gonna do, and we're gonna put
Speaker 1: our kicker out there and try to make that field goal.
Speaker 1: I don't think he really cared about what people fuck
Speaker 1: because that did. That's not what played out, you know. Well,
Speaker 1: percentages also said that you know, you keep you keep
Speaker 1: going back there to pass, you're gonna get another sack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, and that that would have hurt everything
Speaker 1: as well. So I don't know. I just think he
Speaker 1: kind of played the situation he had it there. You know,
Speaker 1: if you if you think, you know, you know what,
Speaker 1: I need five more yards because they might call a
Speaker 1: penalty that we have never seen in the last thirty
Speaker 1: one years. So if they do that, then we're going
Speaker 1: to be screwed. Yeah, if they win this game. I
Speaker 1: wonder if I wonder if people would have said the
Speaker 1: same thing about about how it all played out. I know, Dave,
Speaker 1: you were on the sideline saying, what are we what
Speaker 1: are they doing? Why are they not having more why
Speaker 1: are they not more urgent? But get that. If I
Speaker 1: wonder how many people would be saying that if they
Speaker 1: because her miss isn't against Detroit, then they didn't get
Speaker 1: close enough there. Then they shouldn't have taken that one
Speaker 1: play where he just rolled off to the side to
Speaker 1: get to the middle. They should have done something to
Speaker 1: get seven more yards. So he didn't hook the ball
Speaker 1: against Detroit. And that you don't think like that. Coaches
Speaker 1: never never really get hey, good job, good managing the game.
Speaker 1: It's always when they lose. And that's the nature of
Speaker 1: the business that comes with the Dinners would say, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I pat myself on the back because it's
Speaker 1: not hindsight. I was questioning these decisions as they were happening.
Speaker 1: But if they had found a way to win the game,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be hard to argue that I would be like, well,
Speaker 1: I would have done but it worked out. So we
Speaker 1: move on to the next subject. All right, Well, this
Speaker 1: was a great debate and a good conversation. Thank you
Speaker 1: everyone for your opinions, but we do have to end
Speaker 1: the show. We have to head to the locker room
Speaker 1: and listen to what these players have to say about
Speaker 1: all this mess. So let's figure that out. For Derek Kingleton,
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