1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: a break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely ready 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. It's 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys, 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: welcome to another show. Nick are smirking. That's rare to 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: see going Okay? Well, short, short, yeah, yeah, short, short, 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: short show. Um, real quick. Yesterday we spend the whole 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: time pretty much talking about Amari Cooper and I wanted 11 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: to really throw it quickly to you. You got a 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: chance to get first step on him yesterday and talk 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: to talk to him yesterday. I wanted to hear what 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: were some of the things that he said? How what 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: were your first impressions? Well, this will be short. Um. 16 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: He walked right in, walked by the weight room, locker room, 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: went sat down. He didn't talk to anybody else other 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: than than our set, and I got to talk to 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: him before Jason Garrett, which was which was good. I 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: was told he doesn't do a lot of interviews, doesn't 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: talk a lot, and I was like, okay, well, well's 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: all right, it'll be fine, It'll be fine. And it 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: was one of the toughest interviews I've ever done. As 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: you can see on the website, he's a nice guy. 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: He reminds me of talking to like a ten year 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: old eleven year old, a shy kid. If you leave 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: them an out, they'll take it. They're not just gonna 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: open up. So I didn't ask the best questions in 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: the world because he was kind of like, yep, you know. 30 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: I was like, how does that sound, Dallas Cowboy? You know, 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: I'm Mark Cooper News Dallas Cowboy, And he was like, 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: sounds good. And I knew right then that it was 33 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: going to be on U And it was tough. But 34 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, he talked about working hard, he talked about 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: wanting to win games, like that's his focus as to 36 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,919 Speaker 1: win games. And as I said so times on Twitter, 37 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of wide receivers around this team in 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: the last few years that do a lot of talking. 39 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: So if he's not one that does a lot of talking, 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: that's maybe a good thing. Well, at the end of 41 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: the day, can he play, That'll be a lost important 42 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: anyone cares about. We'll see now moving on from that, 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: since we spend a lot of time on him yesterday, 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on real quick. He's here, he practiced, 45 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: We were out there practice. Where is that what you 46 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: were touching on? Big old just big looking dude, fills 47 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: out that uniform. Nice. Yeah, that's always good football. That's 48 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: always good that you're like, you know, you're like, he's 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: a stud. I get a good thing to say about 50 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: a guy, but it sounds weird. I get uncomfortable every 51 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: year during Jeff season when people start talking about the 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: thickness of the thighs and all that. I'm just like, 53 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: that's a little much. Man. He's got so much for me. 54 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: He got some on him. Jerry Jones is like famous 55 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: quote when he was like, Troyman looks good getting out 56 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: of the shower. Yeah, just like too much for me. 57 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: There's a strange dichotomy there. We don't have to get 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: into it on this show, but there's a strange dichotomy 59 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: in football doubt anyway. Well, today the plan is to 60 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: talk about the game since we haven't had a chance 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: to do so, even though it's Wednesday already. But there 62 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: are still things to discuss, and I know you two 63 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: have a little debate going on, but before we get 64 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: into it, I wanted to go over the injuries that 65 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: have happened since then. Randy Gregory, he had a minor 66 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: knee scope and he's supposed to be back by the 67 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: time when you're about to say, before you say it, 68 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: go ahead. What is nothing minor about a surgery? Yes, well, 69 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean something like that, but football football and football 70 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: players are insane like that's I mean, yeah, he had 71 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: this minor thing where we went into his knee and 72 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: gug gug loose cartilage out of it and just you know, 73 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: we cut him open, but he's he'll be ready. Cut 74 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: you open for a scope, though, do they? Yeah, I 75 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: mean surgery, Well yeah, you have to go. They open. 76 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: It was just like a little like the distickle. It's 77 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: like almost like a well, like an injection going is 78 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: it's certain you're right now, you're going, you're right. I mean, 79 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: it's not like they it's not like it's put it 80 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: on PBS, but I mean to watch it's they invaded 81 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: his body with the foreign object and doug stuff. Every 82 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: time you get a okay, so downplay this. He got 83 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: a knee scope and they expect him to be ready 84 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: for Monday. That's crazy to me, It's not crazy. That's okay. 85 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 1: By week to rest very time. Whatever. Chill out today, 86 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: chill out tomorrow, get some rest, take advantage. I've heard 87 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: you wine enough about your running injuries to say, and 88 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: what I do. I keep running through away, just away 89 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: for me, seriously, we're not going back there. You're not 90 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: going back there, need less to say. Based on what 91 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: they said, it's nothing major. It's a minor thing. But 92 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of common for these guys to get now. 93 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: Geoff's Jeff Swain. Jeff Swain, he sprained his mcl against 94 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: the Redskins, and any updates on how major this one is. 95 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: No real concrete update. J he was getting an MRI yesterday. 96 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's hopeful that it's a sooner rather than later 97 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: type of deal, but he wasn't willing to speak concretely 98 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: about it. Hopeful for some more information later in the week. 99 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 1: I mean, sprain MCLs always seem to be two to four, 100 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: That's what it always seems to be. I mean, every 101 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: injury is different. I get it. And that's what Malik 102 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: Collins had and he missed. He got he got hurt 103 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: in a week two and he wasn't back until the 104 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: Jags game. So but you know that being said one 105 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 1: week would be you know, to the buye weekend. Two 106 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: weeks is which and the Titans in a Monday night game. 107 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: Zach Martin, I don't know. I mean, you'd probably call 108 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: it a sprain as well, sprained his knee, but I'd 109 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: be shocked if he's not ready for the Titans game. 110 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: So that's true, but come back into the game. No 111 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: two injuries are the same, and no two players are 112 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: the same. So but since you got seventeen tight ends 113 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: on this team, you can do whatever you can. Bring 114 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: No Brown back and he can be tighten. But that 115 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: doesn't bring up an interesting point though about the tight 116 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: ends it's been. I mean, I think this season we've 117 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: seen that Jeff Swain has been the predominant guy at 118 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: tight end. He's played more than anybody else. That does 119 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: open up a really interesting question of who's going to 120 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: take over that role. Will they be just blitting that 121 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: role and now you're gonna have a different tight end 122 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: in and tight end in their every play, like or 123 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: both terrifying both. I mean, no, that's and that's not 124 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff, Jeff's a good player. I don't think 125 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, it's it's not like losing 126 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: Jason Witten, but it still is. That's the best of 127 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: what they have. He is the only one of the 128 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: four that I trust to handle blocking and route running 129 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: assignments and catch the ball when it is thrown at him. 130 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: He's the only one that I remotely trust. Think about 131 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: how many snaps he has and how many targets he 132 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: has this year, I mean that means he's doing what 133 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: he's blocking, and if he's probably the best of that, 134 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: he's actually pretty good. That's pretty good. He's not Martella Spinet, 135 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: but he's not bad at all. And that's actually one 136 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: of the interesting things I think when because if memory 137 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: started to me correct when he first got here, I 138 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: don't think he was that good of a blocker, and 139 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: it seems like that's a part of his game that 140 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: he's developed and worked on and gotten really good at. 141 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: Whitton wasn't a good blocker, No, he wasn't. I mean, 142 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: he's getting away at you. But if you can be 143 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: a tide end that can get in the way. Oh, 144 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: he told me that that's one of the things that 145 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: he's the most proud of, this blocking game and yeah, 146 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: Jeff he I asked him when he got his first touchdown, 147 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: was it Yeah, when he got his first touchdow, I 148 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: asked him, I'm like, hey, how does that feel like? Okay? 149 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: Do you like better now being able to catch the 150 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: ball and make plays or do you prefer blocking? And 151 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I prefer blocking. I That's what I 152 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: love doing and that's what he's the most proud of doing. 153 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: So so that's gonna be that's gonna be a big No, 154 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: that would be a big loss. I didn't say it 155 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: is a huge problem if he's out for any extended period. 156 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of those situations where the 157 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: depth chart order might be a certain way now because 158 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: you know swaying up there, and then you fill in 159 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: in the other guys. But because of what he does 160 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: predominantly and what that position does, you might see some 161 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: changes in Wait, I mean think about who might start. 162 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: I think Rico probably will start now. Yeah, I might 163 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: be your best flocker. No, it's not gonna be Schultz. 164 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, Um, And I don't know if 165 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: Jarwin's really that that great of a blocker either. I 166 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: think Rico might be your best blocker there. But don't 167 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: don't forget too, You've got some Darian. I can't believe 168 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: I almost went there, almost went there. Who's seventy five Fleming? 169 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: Fleming ran yea, not even thinking about Byron Bell? You 170 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: went back, like way back in the I yeah, that's 171 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: a good point you could use. He really isn't that old, 172 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: dar Now, Darren Williams, isn't that old? You could use 173 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: Cam Fleming as a as a you know, a tackle 174 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: tight end, although obviously he doesn't give you anything as 175 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: a pass catching threat. But that's if Jeff swam. If 176 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: Jeff Swain is out for a serious period of time, 177 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: I think you either need to think about finding another 178 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: tight end or which I don't believe this will happen, 179 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: or adjusting the way you play and using fewer tight ends. 180 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: No I know, yeah, I don't expect that to happen either. 181 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: So well you also, but you don't have Tavon right now, 182 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: so that may affect their ability to want to do that, 183 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: because when you want it to do that, you had 184 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: Tavon in the mix, right That's which is why this 185 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: is so curious and why I'll be interested. You know, 186 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: maybe something will come out today. But also Jason Garrett 187 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: talks again tomorrow, and I'm sure he will be asked 188 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: about that, because I don't like the idea of trying 189 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: to play games without him the way that this team 190 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: likes to play. When do we know anything about Noah 191 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: Brown and when he could possibly be back he can practice? 192 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: Actually saw him this morning doing routes on air, just 193 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, with a strength coach, nothing official or serious looking, 194 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: but running routes. They could start his clock and bring 195 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: him back to practice today if they wanted to, and 196 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: he can play starting week nine, so he could play 197 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: against the Titans if they wanted to do that. But 198 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: the reason why I say this, because he is the 199 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: reason why he has been here I think for so long, 200 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: is because they think he is a value to them 201 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: as a blocker, and they do motion him a lot 202 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: into situations where they want to block in line a 203 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: little bit more, so you know, maybe that's some way 204 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: to offset that a little bit. Well. Also, you gotta 205 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: you know there's more evaluations going on than just him, 206 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: because you've got guys on injury reserve. Two of these 207 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: players can come back this year, he would be one 208 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: of them, and then whoever else you want. Travis Frederick 209 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: was another guy that could be. I don't think anyone 210 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: believes Travis Frederick is going to come back and play 211 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: this year. I don't. I don't anyone that walks they 212 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: can see him walking around, would think that. Yeah, Terrence Williams, 213 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't believe it's coming back again ever, and anybody 214 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: else than I are it's Travis Terrence. So no, you 215 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: know Dayton Jones. Dayton Jones also somebody I completely forgot 216 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: about um so much that I can't even remember his 217 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: freaking name. Um the guard, the guard who heardst there 218 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, I forgot all about him as well. Yeah, no, 219 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: I'm you know, completely forgot. I wonder how much they 220 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: could have used him this year. We'll never know those 221 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: the fun what ifs of a football season. That much 222 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: he had work to do. I mean, he came in 223 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: looking like a guard and a tackle, so he needed to. Well. 224 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: When we just talking yesterday about having that bigger body, 225 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: although maybe that helps a little bit, it is it's 226 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: a name to remember for next year when you're talking 227 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: about problems on this offensive line though, just saying yeah, 228 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: so not to I mean, that's February talk or March talk, 229 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: but we've got to talk about something time. Um. And 230 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: then the last guy I almost forgot to mention is 231 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: the cornerback C J. Goodwin, who is expected to have 232 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: surgery after an arm fracture. Another great point, having surgery 233 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: on his broken forearm. I think he had it yesterday 234 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: and literally, like this was the conversation, was like, so 235 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: he'll go on IR and Jason Garrett was like, yeah, 236 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: not necessarily. We'll see, we'll see what his timetable is 237 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: and see if it's realistic to keep him. I'm just like, 238 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: are you insane? Broke your forearm like just snapped it 239 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: in two And they're like, he's wrapping up things. Could 240 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: he'll he's throw on the team in special teams tackles already. Yeah, 241 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: And I'm Barry Church did that two or three years ago. 242 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: Like maybe his bones, I don't know, maybe his bones 243 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: can heal. Hiks. What he's doing is running down on 244 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: punts and making plays. Can you play the cast? Well, 245 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: that's the thing. I mean, it's his it's not his foot, 246 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: it's his right Okay, but you need your arm to tackle, 247 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: not necessarily if you got a cast on it, you 248 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: could still especially if it's kind of cast it doesn't 249 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: encumber his hands. Well didn't he still could? You're you're right, 250 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: right down and make a tackle. You're right. But also 251 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: the main thing there is the rundown there, getting the 252 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: guy's face and make them call faircatch. That's the main 253 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: thing that you know, so especially in today's game. Yeah, 254 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: all right, exactly. Okay, I'm talking about meta humans here. 255 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: They're not they are. They're meta humans. They're different, they're 256 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: different species than the rest of us. Believe that. Okay, Um, 257 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: if they need band aids, probably not. I'm thinking they 258 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: just laughed at all that. 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Now, 308 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna light up this match and throw it over 309 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: there and walk away. So there's aussion going to be there. 310 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, the game ended four days. Stop it. I'm 311 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: gonna get you high up right now, all right, and 312 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: you better bring it if you want to win this argument. 313 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: All right. One of you saying that the play calling 314 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: was good, another one was saying another play calling wasn't good, 315 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: or that it should have been a little different than 316 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: the decisions. Let me started start. I don't even think 317 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: that that that statement is that accurate, but I'll just 318 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: essentially that is. But essentially, because I'm not trying to 319 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: be hypocritical here, Derek knows this. The ball was at 320 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: the thirty seven yard line at one point. He asked me, 321 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: how many more yards do you need? And I said 322 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: thirty seven seven I need I want them to score. 323 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: Maybe that was personal preference. I don't want to go 324 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: to overtime again. Let's do this, Let's let's get it done. Um, 325 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: but I do think just when you when Jason's get 326 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: and killed about managing the game. I think when four 327 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: minutes to go, you're down by ten, and to think, 328 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: you know what, you're gonna have a forty six yard 329 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: field goal to tie this game, everyone would have taken it. 330 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: I thought they managed it well to get to that point, 331 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: forty six yards forty seven yards, and then of course 332 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: we saw what happened. The snapper got an a penalty 333 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: called on him and the kicker missed the kick. So 334 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: but I thought to that point, I thought Jason Garrett 335 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: did a good job of getting him there. Could have 336 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: been better. Yeah, it could have been better, But I 337 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: mean that's that's my taking. And you you made a 338 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: really good point, and I'll own it. Like we were 339 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: on the sideline at the end of that game, and 340 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: I you know, I'm like, well, what do you stand 341 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: to lose by going for the onside kick, like you 342 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: gotta get you have to hold him to a three 343 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: and out, and they did, but you didn't know that 344 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: at the time. So you're like on side kick, if 345 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: you don't get it, you can still get the ball back. 346 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: Even if you're pinned, you still have a chance they 347 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: didn't do that. They played it great. Sean Lee forced 348 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: Alex Smith out of bound. So I agree with you 349 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: in the sense that trailing by ten with four minutes 350 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: to play, they did a really good job to put 351 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: themselves in position to extend the game. But fifty two 352 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: seconds to play and a time out on the opponent's 353 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: forty six yard line, you've been out played basically all day, 354 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: and you have a chance to, in the best case scenario, 355 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: steal a win from the opponent, or, in the worst 356 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: case scenario, kick a field goal. I just I don't 357 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: believe they tried hard enough to put themselves in a 358 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: position to succeed, even if it's only a field goal. 359 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: H This was the sequence. It's first and ten from 360 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: the forty six. They throw a nine yard pass to 361 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: be Beasley along the far side line. He goes out 362 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: of bounds, and do I have that right? Well, it 363 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: says short pass short right to Beasley for nine yards. 364 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: Here we go. No, No, I'm sorry, No, the long 365 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: past to Beasley along the sidelines set them up on 366 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: the forty six. Yes, Then they throw short to Beasley 367 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: along the right side, which two he does not get 368 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: out of bounds and to the credit of people that 369 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: defend this, Like if it's a better thrown ball, Beasley 370 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: probably keeps running and it's a different story. But I 371 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: just I didn't like the way they carried themselves. He 372 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: goes down after nine yards, they jogged to the line. 373 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean they threw that, you know, the play star 374 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: of fifty two seconds left, they snapped the next ball 375 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: with twenty eight it's another pass over the middle, which 376 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: don't like that, and they kind of jogged to the line, 377 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: and then there's a review and then there's twelve seconds left, 378 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: and like, honestly, at that point then you've made your bed. 379 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: So that's not I'm not the guy sitting here saying, 380 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: with twelve seconds to play, you should have been taking 381 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: shots at the end zone. No, with fifty two seconds 382 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: to play, I mean, how many times have we seen 383 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: Jason Witten run the five yard out to move yourself closer? 384 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: You know, like in that situation, like where are the 385 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: short quick passes to get out of bounds? And that's 386 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: Tony Romo was saying it. Obviously we couldn't hear it 387 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: at the time, but Tony Romo is like, I'm running 388 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: short stuff, running slants, I'm keeping my time out alive, 389 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to move into field goal range, and then 390 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: I want to take a want to attack the end 391 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: zone at least a couple of times perfectly said Tony, 392 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: well done. And they didn't do that, Like they got 393 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: literally to the edge of what is considered makeable field 394 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: goal range, and we're like, that's good for us. May 395 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: ask you this question. Let's assume for a second the 396 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys went the route that you did and they got 397 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: to a point where they were able to attack and 398 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: actually throw to the end zone. Do you think there 399 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: was any concern by the coach or should have been 400 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: concerned by the coach that if you get into that scenario, 401 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: you don't know that you want to do that. He'd 402 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: already been sacked four times that day, and the likelihood 403 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: that he gets sacked in the situation like that, in 404 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: my mind, there was relatively high probability that that could happen. 405 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: And it then pushes you out of field goal range. 406 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: Are you get off or maybe gets a turnover? Are 407 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: you all concerned about that or the fact that Connor 408 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: Williams couldn't block anyone that day? Lyle Collins was having 409 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: an all kinds of problems. Tyrant Smith. They were getting 410 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: called for holding as well, And if they're gonna sit 411 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: there and call a holding a snap in fraction at 412 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: that point and juncture in the game, then they'll definitely 413 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: call a holding as well. So I think that that 414 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: has to play a factor into like you're are there, 415 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: now you're getting greedy. We could be back and lose 416 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: this whole thing. I have two thoughts to that one. 417 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett himself said yesterday that as bad as they 418 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: were overall, he thought that the final two scoring or 419 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: the final two drives, the scoring drive, the Dak rushing 420 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: touchdown and then the missfield goal says the cleanest the 421 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: line played all day. So they were playing well according 422 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: to the two drives, they were playing well. On top 423 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: of that, Fabian Moreau, who's your number two cornerback because 424 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: Quentin Dunbar didn't play, gets hurt on the eighteen whatever 425 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: yard completion to Beasley the third down right there. So 426 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: you've got reserves playing corner and so you're over your 427 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: O lines playing well. Washington Secondary's depleted this pro football, Like, 428 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta, yeah, there's a risk, you gotta 429 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: take some risks. If you want to win, and I 430 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: just and like I said, I mean, maybe maybe asking 431 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: them to go score a touchdown is a tall order, 432 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: but with fifty two seconds in a time out, I 433 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: like to think you could at least get down near 434 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: the red zone and at the very least give Bret 435 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: Maher an easy kick instead of a very difficult one. 436 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the part I agree with you most on. 437 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that I ever would have seeing how 438 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: this game played. I know what he said about those 439 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: last two drives, but I know I was thinking as 440 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: they were driving, don't take a sack. Don't take a sack, 441 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: because they had been in his grill all day, and 442 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: so my thought was they could have probably managed to 443 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: clock better and maybe that gets them an extra player 444 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: two and if they use it on short pit passes, 445 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: that could just kind of move them a little closer. Now, 446 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: even if you get the same exact penalty you got, 447 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: you still are within range for Brett Maha to be 448 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: able to make that kick. And you know, I think 449 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: without the penalty, I think that kid goes in, you know, 450 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: just a little bit back further and him pulling it 451 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: just a slight bit to where it hit the upright. 452 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: I don't think that happens if he's got four more 453 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: five more yards. So if they would have just done 454 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: enough to get that five more yards, you probably have 455 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: a different outcome. So I agree with you from that stamp. Well, 456 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a systematic thing with football coaches, 457 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: and this is an this isn't Jason Garrett specific, but 458 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: I I really truly believe like most football coaches, in 459 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: their heart of hearts are going to make the decision 460 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: that's easier to defend than than necessarily the right decision. Yeah, 461 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: I do. I don't think, I really I think. I 462 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: think the public perception is I really don't. It's not 463 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: about I don't. I don't think most coaches do. I 464 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: it's not so much public perception, but like people get 465 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: fired over this stuff, and so I think, like when 466 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they want to be like, well, 467 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: what what do you want me to do? Like I 468 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: did the smart thing instead of the bold thing. So 469 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: how many times, how do we account for? How many 470 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: times over the last two or three weeks in the 471 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: NFL have we seen coaches do unconventional things and a 472 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: lot of them have backfired on them and it ended 473 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: up being I call that didn't win the game. I 474 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: think it's changing, and I don't think it's a coincidence 475 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: that a lot of those types of decisions are younger, 476 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: newer head coaches making them, like Doug Peterson and Mike Rabel. 477 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: And a lot of this has to do, in my opinion, 478 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: with the overtime rules that I think have got to 479 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: be I hate, You've got to get this thing figured 480 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: out in some way in overtime. I don't care about 481 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: the TV. I know they do a TV and the 482 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: time and all that stuff, but I think it's affecting things. 483 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, you know what, I got a 484 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: better shot to go win this game at the two 485 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: point conversion than to go to play overtime. We're seeing 486 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: that a little bit more. That's another point too, which 487 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 1: is like you know, you're like, well they haven't been 488 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: playing and well all day, like just just get to overtime. Well, 489 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: let's play out overtime. Like worst case scenario, Washington gets 490 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: the ball, drives down the field. Okay, if they score 491 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: a touchdown, games over. So let's say they kick a 492 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: field goal, they kick off back to you and you 493 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: start at your twenty five, and now you've got to 494 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: go at least fifty yards to get into makeable fuel 495 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: goal range, if not the whole seventy five yards to 496 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: win the game. You don't know how much time you 497 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: got on the clock exactly. You could get the ball 498 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: back with two minutes for or whatever. So even if 499 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: you get to overtime, your offense, unless something crazy happens 500 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: like a pick six, your offense has to put together 501 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: a fifty sixty seventy yard drive instead, you're already on 502 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: the forty six. Why not just try to end the 503 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: thing right there? Like and again, I know it's a 504 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: lot easier said than done, but they didn't even really try, 505 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 1: right and that they did the issue issues that they 506 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: didn't try. They didn't try at all, And I don't think, honestly, 507 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: I don't think the results would have been different. Probably 508 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: I do think that the results could have probably turned 509 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: out to them having a few more yards and maybe 510 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: that gets you to overtime, But I don't, I don't know. 511 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that they necessarily get at the endzone. 512 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: It no, and the way that even if they were trying, 513 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that they necessarily getting enzone, no doubt 514 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: about it, There's no I can't sit here and say 515 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: they definitely would have scored. This offense doesn't deserve that 516 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. But when Cole Beasley catches the 517 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: ball for nine yards at the Washington thirty seven with 518 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: thirty two seconds to play, and there's like no urgency whatsoever, 519 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm just like, what's going on here? Why are y'all? 520 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: Why is this good enough for y'all? What would you 521 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: like to see them do in that situation? Are you 522 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: wanting them to run ups clock the ball that stops 523 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: the clock, because I assume you're still believing that they 524 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: need to save that time out right. If let's say, okay, 525 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: they completed to Beasley for nine yards, I probably run 526 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: like a quick sneak or a quick run or no, 527 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, spike the ball quick. So then it's third 528 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: and one, quick play, slant route somethings or something to 529 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: the outside, and then see where we're at at that 530 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: point they were at is because that's what I was 531 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: gonna say. At that point they would have been well, 532 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been third and one? I would have you 533 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: would have spiked it to get to third and one right, 534 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: and then it would have been third and one at 535 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: the Washington thirty one, So you're already in field goal range. 536 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: You would assume, right, you're assuming at that point as 537 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: long as you want to take a sack at that point. 538 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: Thirty yes, thirty seven, you're right, you're right. Yeah, I 539 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: mean you said something though about you five more yards 540 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: would have you know, it would have been a difference there, 541 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: and they could have gotten five more yards, but they 542 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: they did that though they were already there. They were 543 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: there for a forty seven yard field goal. Right. My 544 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: point is, if you had one more play and let's 545 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: say you could pick up five more yards, then even 546 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: with the penalty, he still are at you know, you're 547 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: still kicking a field goal that's under fifty and with 548 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: those extra yards, I think pulling it means it probably 549 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: even if it hits up right, scan it scantly hits 550 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: it and bounces end versus hitting it square and bouncing 551 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: back right. I mean, or you know them on the 552 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: lat on the drive before that, the swing pass to 553 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: Zeke that inexplic like the weirdest play of the entire game, 554 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: where Zach zach Dac missed Zeke on a swing route. 555 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: Run that again. Run something towards the sideline. Again, I 556 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: know he's not on the team, but somebody else can 557 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: run Jason Witten's route that he was so good at. 558 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: You run three yards, does it regularly break towards the sideline, 559 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: something that's going to stop the clock. And again I 560 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: completely agree it's a slim bet that they actually score 561 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: a touchdown. But just the lack of even trying, and 562 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: you can even take an argument and don't even say that, 563 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: just say don't just like the Baltimore game five or 564 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: six years ago, where you know they're like, well, Bailey 565 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: for fifty one like that, you know he can make it. 566 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to settle for a kick. 567 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: You can try to make it an extra point type 568 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: field goal. Right, It's a tough balance. I just think overall, 569 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: I don't think game management there was poor. They had 570 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: a chance to tie the game, and weird things happened 571 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: and they missed. But I mean, I don't disagree one 572 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: hundred percent. You could have done a little bit more. 573 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: But I can see with the way that Lyon was playing, 574 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: which when that goes, okay, forget what I you know, 575 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: if you disagree with me. Forget what I said about 576 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: coaching coaches making safe decisions. But I can see in 577 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's mind, you are in Brett Maher's makeable range, 578 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: and if you keep throwing the ball and something terrible happens, 579 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: then you get killed for yeah, for being greedy when 580 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: you're already in his range. But it's a windy day 581 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: outdoors in the fall. I would at least try to 582 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: get him closer. But every time you started relying on 583 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: who you think would get the job done for you 584 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: does when he bites you in the butt. But isn't 585 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: that also the definition of what it is to be 586 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: versus a conservative coach versus more aggressive coaching. He keeps 587 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: maintain and he's an aggressive coach, but what we've seen 588 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: this year suggests that that's not necessarily the case. In 589 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: this instance, the instance of going forward on fourth down, 590 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: those are more he's shown more of an example of 591 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: being of being a conservative minded coach than an aggressive line. 592 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he's he's he's showing that 593 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: he's a coach that's actually seeing what's happening and going, Okay, 594 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play off the percentages here right then, that's 595 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: what conservative is. We didn't get one inch on third 596 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: and one, so now on fourth and one, we're gonna 597 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: get it. Our defense is playing well. I have a 598 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: good punter. I can stop. I'm not disagreeing. I'm saying, 599 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: but that's the definition of conservative. Conservative means I'm gonna 600 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: calculate everything, and I'm gonna make it calculated decision. Aggressive 601 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: means I listen all that, but I'm gonna go with 602 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: my gut and say I'm just gonna go for it 603 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: because I think that's what I need to do in 604 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: order to get a win. That's why to me, playing 605 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: to win the game and playing to not lose the 606 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: game is the exact same. That's why I believe that 607 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: for that very reason right there is that it's it's 608 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: all the same either way, the result is exactly the same. 609 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: Whether you're aggressive to get there or you're calculated, it's 610 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: the same. That's I can argue this all day. We 611 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: every time a game ends this way. Nick and I 612 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: fight about this because and it's it's fine. I see 613 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: his point, but I think that's yeah, read the situation, 614 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: and I just think being aggressive more aggressive there it 615 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: gives you your best chance to win, and that's at 616 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: the end of the day. Jason Garrett still has to 617 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: make those decisions, so he gets credit for them. But 618 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: I believe most of his aggressive decisions have been painfully obvious. 619 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: But it's not like he's it's not like they're truly 620 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: that aggressive. It's like, well, yeah, it's fourth and half 621 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: an inch, of course, you know. That kind of goes 622 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: back to my point too real quick. When you guys 623 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: talk about coaches caring what the what they're gonna get 624 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: killed for, if that were the case, I think he 625 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: would have been more aggressive because what does he getting 626 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: killed for right now? Being too conservative, he decided, I'm 627 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: gonna still go with the percentages. The percentages say, we 628 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: get into this range, we're gonna be a little more 629 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: thoughtful about what we're gonna do, and we're gonna put 630 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: our kicker out there and try to make that field goal. 631 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't think he really cared about what people fuck 632 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: because that did. That's not what played out, you know. Well, 633 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: percentages also said that you know, you keep you keep 634 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: going back there to pass, you're gonna get another sack. Yeah, 635 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: so you know, and that that would have hurt everything 636 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: as well. So I don't know. I just think he 637 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: kind of played the situation he had it there. You know, 638 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: if you if you think, you know, you know what, 639 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: I need five more yards because they might call a 640 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: penalty that we have never seen in the last thirty 641 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: one years. So if they do that, then we're going 642 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: to be screwed. Yeah, if they win this game. I 643 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: wonder if I wonder if people would have said the 644 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: same thing about about how it all played out. I know, Dave, 645 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: you were on the sideline saying, what are we what 646 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: are they doing? Why are they not having more why 647 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: are they not more urgent? But get that. If I 648 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: wonder how many people would be saying that if they 649 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: because her miss isn't against Detroit, then they didn't get 650 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: close enough there. Then they shouldn't have taken that one 651 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: play where he just rolled off to the side to 652 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: get to the middle. They should have done something to 653 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: get seven more yards. So he didn't hook the ball 654 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: against Detroit. And that you don't think like that. Coaches 655 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: never never really get hey, good job, good managing the game. 656 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: It's always when they lose. And that's the nature of 657 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: the business that comes with the Dinners would say, and yeah, 658 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I pat myself on the back because it's 659 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: not hindsight. I was questioning these decisions as they were happening. 660 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: But if they had found a way to win the game, 661 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be hard to argue that I would be like, well, 662 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: I would have done but it worked out. So we 663 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: move on to the next subject. All right, Well, this 664 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: was a great debate and a good conversation. Thank you 665 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: everyone for your opinions, but we do have to end 666 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: the show. We have to head to the locker room 667 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: and listen to what these players have to say about 668 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: all this mess. So let's figure that out. For Derek Kingleton, 669 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: Nicki Man, David Hellman, and Burgercia. This has been the 670 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has 671 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the 672 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Football Club.