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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going back on Dale Lolli.

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Speaker 3: He is Matt Williamson. It is time for the Fantasy

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Speaker 3: Football focus here. As I mentioned that going into the

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Speaker 2: How about that. It's a normal NFL Wednesday. That's great.

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Speaker 3: That's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: So I know you're going to get into it. But

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Speaker 2: the Cup stuff sounds bad, doesn't sound good. I just

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Speaker 3: Season, especially if you went Kelsey and Cup Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you probably didn't make that pick this weekend

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Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, Mark Andrews with a quadrcep injury.

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Speaker 2: On Sunday they play somebody Houston, Houston. Yeah. I wonder

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Speaker 3: If they're up, I think they went Lamar didn't play

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Speaker 3: Kendrey Miller did not practice today. He has a hamstring. Again,

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Speaker 2: While, and Kamaras suspended, spend huge Williams League. Yeah forget

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Speaker 3: Uh. Treylan Burks had no limitations. Today's a full participant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kadarius Tony with the knee has no injury designation.

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Speaker 3: Adam Thielen has an ankle. He was limited today.

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Speaker 3: It looks like Jacksonith and Jigba.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he participated today.

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Speaker 3: So Baltimore is gonna go out and get like six

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Speaker 2: And it might not be since it's the fantasy segment.

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned yesterday, that I just want to stream against.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's talk a little streaming defenses and dfs here

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Speaker 2: Even if Kelsey doesn't play, Nor do.

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Speaker 3: I want right now to use either one of those teams.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to use that as a uh Survivor

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, uh No, I think we'll pick games

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Speaker 2: like I still don't love the Lions chances of winning.

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Speaker 3: He got Carolina at Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: I'd consider picking Atlanta and their defense for Survivor. I mean,

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Speaker 2: good matchup.

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Speaker 3: Houston is at Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: We just mentioned the Yeah, like I think.

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Speaker 3: They'll get out of the gate. Well here, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: The Bengals are at the Browns.

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Speaker 2: Probably neither, Yeah, neither, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to deal with you. Well maybe Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if. I don't know if the

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Speaker 2: the Bengals will be right off the bad. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Jaguars at Colts?

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Speaker 2: Would you consider using Jags for survivor?

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Speaker 3: I hate using a road team and I don't like

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Speaker 2: How about Jags D? Though it's bad, it's not great.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. You probably don't get many sacks against

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Speaker 3: Probably not. I mean he might throw a couple of

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Speaker 2: That fumbles and that's thing. But I bet they don't

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Speaker 2: I'd rather play like the Falcons D than the Jags.

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Speaker 3: The Buccaneers are at the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: I would not touch the box.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want either one of those. No, Titans

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Speaker 2: Up ish, that could be a grinded out low scorer.

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Speaker 2: I'd start the Saints this week. Yeah, without hesitation.

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Speaker 3: Tennessee's offensive line is not good.

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Speaker 2: If Tennessee's your D, it's probably a top twelve D.

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Speaker 2: It's not great, but it's probably okay.

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Speaker 3: San Francisco at Pittsburgh neither D.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, there could be sacks, could be yeah, on

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Speaker 2: both sides. I mean there's definitely playmakers on both defenses.

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Speaker 2: I mean we haven't I don't even know my score yet,

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Speaker 2: but it's not gonna be thirty.

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Speaker 3: Five to thirty anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So maybe both these.

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Speaker 3: Arizona is at Washington.

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Speaker 2: I think Washington streamers. Yeah, that's the streamer of the week.

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Speaker 3: Would you take them in survivor pool.

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Speaker 2: At home full building, seven point favorite rookie head coach

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Speaker 2: on the road, one o'clock start from the West. Yes.

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Speaker 3: As you mentioned, the Packers are at the Bears.

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Speaker 2: Probably an ugly, a lot of running type of low

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Speaker 2: I think the Bears D is too bad to start.

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Speaker 2: But maybe the Packers.

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Speaker 3: Mber last year. This was an eleven to ten game.

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Speaker 3: They beat them. They shocked San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: In the game. Is that the swamp game?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You get the Raiders at the Broncos.

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Speaker 2: Neither, I guess neither. Yeah, Like I think the Broncos

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Speaker 2: be hard to play against. The baseball Jimmy's out there,

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Speaker 3: Period to play in Denver, though to open the season.

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Speaker 2: There is it is. Crosby could have some sacks, but

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Speaker 2: I'm not playing the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: You get the Dolphins at the Chargers. I don't want

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Speaker 3: to start either one of those. And I'm not playing

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Speaker 3: either one of those for survivor.

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Speaker 2: No, that's true. That should be a very Where's that

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Speaker 2: sure the heat in Miami wouldn't be great, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it won't be great in Los Angeles either, but

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Speaker 3: at least they have a roof over them, even though

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Speaker 2: It's just something that Miami sticky heat. Either. No, I

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Speaker 3: Philadelphia is at New England and this, folks, is why

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Speaker 3: you had to look at who teams played like. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure a lot of people have drafted the Patriots defense. Well,

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Speaker 3: the Patriots defense is always good. They get turnovers, they

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Speaker 3: score on.

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Speaker 2: The other way around. Because the Eagles defense went high too,

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Speaker 2: and this is a great matchup.

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Speaker 3: It's a great matchup for them. But I don't want

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Speaker 3: to start the Patriots defense this week.

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Speaker 2: No, And I probably made a mistake in our league

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Speaker 2: taking the Jets in the last round or whatever, because

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Speaker 2: it's similar like with the Patriots and Jets, it's just

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Speaker 2: a murderer's row week after week. Yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 2: Allen and Hurts and blah blah. You know.

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Speaker 3: Take the Eagles in the Survivor betting against Belichick at

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Speaker 3: home in the opener.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be my first pick, but I kind of

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Speaker 2: lead towards the Commanders. Yeah, if I'm doing a Survivor league.

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Speaker 3: Well how about this one though, Rams at Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: I thought about that too.

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Speaker 3: Now that you know Cooper Cupp isn't playing like, they

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Speaker 3: don't have much to hang your head, I know.

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Speaker 2: And the whole coaches knowing coaches scares me a little bit,

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Speaker 2: you know, They've had a lot of tight games, but

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Speaker 2: Seattle is so much better.

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Speaker 3: You start Seattle's defense this week.

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Speaker 2: You know, spreading that game is like seven. I thought

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Speaker 2: you had been like fourteen.

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Speaker 3: It's about the first first week of the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Seatles, do you be fine? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think so. Uh. Cowboys at Giants.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys d I mean that's one of the best ones. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'd pick Cowboys for Survivor.

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Speaker 3: I think Saquon Barkley that could run all over.

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Speaker 2: There, he could do really well. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so uh, and then you got the Monday night

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Speaker 3: game Buffalo at the Jets.

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Speaker 2: Neither d I prefer Buffaloes.

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Speaker 3: I prefer Buffaloes.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's Roger.

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Speaker 3: They're both good defenses.

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Speaker 2: Again, both probably in every league. Yeah, I mean they're

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Speaker 2: talking two of the top for seven defenses on the planet.

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Speaker 2: But just brutal matchup.

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Speaker 3: It's a tough, tough matchup. So if we're looking at

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Speaker 3: this from the Survivor.

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Speaker 2: Pole, Washington tie on the list.

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Speaker 3: The Ravens, yeah against Texans.

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Speaker 2: Even in Houston, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Jacks Jaguars at Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Jags Indy probably, but what's that division game on.

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Speaker 3: The road though, Yeah, that was down the little a

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Speaker 3: little bit. Falcons against Panthers at home.

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Speaker 2: I liked the land on that one. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: Beijeon does well. I think that they move the ball

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Speaker 2: pretty consistently. I feel pretty The other one is Brian

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Speaker 2: Burns is is sitting out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's the the reason is to look at

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Speaker 3: that one. I mean, he's their best pass rusher. I

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Speaker 3: think the Seahawks against the Rams is pretty strong.

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Speaker 2: Trying to think what else head.

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Speaker 3: Eagles at Patriots. I mean, I hate taking a road team.

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Speaker 2: And you hate I wouldn't use the Eagles yet to

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Speaker 2: use the.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, you can't look at a survivor

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Speaker 3: poll that way.

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Speaker 2: He's got some You just got to survive.

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Speaker 3: You know, so many people like last year again I

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the forty nine ers and against the Bears.

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Speaker 3: The Bears are awful and they lose the game.

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Speaker 2: And the Niners go the NCUE Championship and the Bears

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Speaker 2: are in the first overall pick. But right, you weren't wrong,

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Speaker 2: right you were that day? You were that dad?

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Speaker 3: Again, the Steelers have won their their their regular season

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Speaker 3: I'm sure both of those teams were were looked at

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Speaker 2: Do I have a lot of faith in the Commanders. No,

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Speaker 3: Think it's it's more about the Cardinals, more.

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Speaker 2: About the card Yeah. Yeah, I think they're like seven

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Speaker 2: point favorites that game in that regard.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you look at the Commanders and you say, well,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get the Commanders out the way. I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to use the Commanders into any other time this season,

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Speaker 3: which is probably.

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Speaker 2: True, probably true, but it's not without risk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but there is, there's that risk.

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Speaker 2: So back to fantasy defenses, and I'm sure this is

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Speaker 2: true most years, but it seems sure seems to me,

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Speaker 3: In most teams, I want to start team. I want

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Speaker 3: to start my defenses against Tampa Bay. Yeah, because Mayfield

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Speaker 3: I want to start against the rookie quarterbacks, the three

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Speaker 2: I think all three. Yeah, especially with the state of

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Speaker 3: I want to start my defense against Arizona. Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's five right there.

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Speaker 3: Tennessee doesn't scare me a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, they're not going thirty on it.

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Speaker 3: It's an awful offensive line. Yeah, you should get ahead

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Speaker 3: get ahead of them, you take Derrick Henry out of

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Speaker 3: the game. Yeah, and you force them to start throwing it.

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Speaker 2: And even if even if Tennessee wins the game, it's

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Speaker 2: going to be seventeen to fourteen, right, that's what they're

444
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Speaker 2: up thirty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they're set up, the way they're set

446
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Speaker 3: up to play, and I want to play. I want

447
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Speaker 3: to play defenses against New England, potentially New England.

448
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Speaker 2: I don't know if they fixed everything up there. Yeah,

449
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,600
Speaker 2: I didn't like to see it first in the Rams.

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Speaker 2: The Rams, Yeah, that's like eight. How about like the Bears.

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Speaker 3: They don't scare me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not horrible, it's not that I mean,

453
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Speaker 2: if I'm.

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Speaker 3: If I'm streaming defenses all season long. Okay, fields is

455
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Speaker 3: going to have a run or two? Is that going

456
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Speaker 3: to beat you? Is that going to get put twenty

457
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Speaker 3: five points.

458
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Speaker 2: Drop thirty on you?

459
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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Probably not right. How about Denver?

461
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Speaker 3: Potentially, I'd like to see it for a week or two,

462
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Speaker 3: but yeah, I haven't. I mean, if it's like anything

463
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Speaker 3: close to what it was last year.

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Speaker 2: I mean they were awful onans. For example, if I

465
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Speaker 2: had a good defense like the Jets or Bills and

466
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Speaker 2: they were playing Denver, I'd be thrilled if it was

467
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Speaker 2: one of the good defenses.

468
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Speaker 3: Like I know for a fact, because I drafted the

469
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Speaker 3: Washington defense knowing that they play Arizona this week, they

470
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Speaker 3: played Denver in week two.

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Speaker 2: Nice, I might just ride them. I would think, yeah,

472
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Speaker 2: that's two stars.

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Speaker 3: Because they've got a good defensive front, and I think

474
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Speaker 3: I think Denver's offensive line is overrated, and I know

475
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Speaker 3: Wilson will run around back there and try to take

476
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Speaker 3: you know, take sacks.

477
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Speaker 2: And maybe Judy doesn't play, and you know they're hurt.

478
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Speaker 3: Now if they come out and drop thirty on the

479
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Speaker 3: Raiders this week, okay, I'll rethink that.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a pretty bad D two. Yeah, but

481
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Speaker 2: they could, they could, they could, they could?

482
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Speaker 3: So interesting. Yeah, that's the look around the league there

483
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Speaker 3: at what's going on here as we sit here on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: That's going to do it for the Fantasy Football Focus today.

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Speaker 3: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. We'll be

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Speaker 3: back with more on the Drive right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dal LOLLI.

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Speaker 3: He is Matt Williamson and Matt. Bill Barmwell's at it again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is. I saw this one. I read the

493
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Speaker 2: Steelers section. I didn't read the whole article top to bottom,

494
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 2: but kind of interesting stuff, let's dig it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's from Bill Barmwell and ESPN. This has happened

496
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Speaker 3: for years with Bill. Bill consistently underestimates the Steelers because

497
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Speaker 3: he is strictly an analytics guy.

498
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Speaker 2: He's a football sider's background and all that stuff, right, so.

499
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Speaker 3: He doesn't take coaching into effect into consideration at all.

500
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Speaker 3: And that's the problem I have with the analytics crowd.

501
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna use it one of the many here.

502
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Speaker 2: But like so, one score games is a huge analytic thing.

503
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Speaker 2: So if you study the league for the last thirty years,

504
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: if you're really good winning one score games, you'll probably

505
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Speaker 2: regress to the meme.

506
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Speaker 3: Like the Vikings last year.

507
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Speaker 2: They were the perfect example. So history shows us that's true,

508
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: accept except if you're Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Belichick, Mike Comlin,

509
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Speaker 2: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes like there. And it's

510
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Speaker 2: not because they did it twice in one year. It's

511
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Speaker 2: because they did it for twenty times after six years

512
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Speaker 2: or whatever. So there are things like that that others

513
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Speaker 2: are some are better than others. Yeah, you know, like Frankly,

514
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: I don't think Deantay Johnson's bad at scoring touchdowns, but

515
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Speaker 2: you look at somebody like Andre Johnson, Julio Jones, all

516
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: time greats, Well, they didn't score a lot of touchdowns

517
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Speaker 2: in their career, you know, compared to other all time greats.

518
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: Why is that? And there's probably a reason. It's not

519
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: just bad luck. Yeah. So he has.

520
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Speaker 3: The team's ranked thirty two through one on how teams

521
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Speaker 3: can how each every NFL team can win Super Bowl

522
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Speaker 3: fifty eight.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers, he has twentieth on this list. I don't

524
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Speaker 2: know how he came up with the order. I think

525
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Speaker 2: it is how Vegas.

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Speaker 3: This is how No, it's not the Vegas. This is

527
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Speaker 3: the ESPN. This is their Yeah yeah yeah, this is

528
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Speaker 3: has the Steelers as the twentieth best team in the league,

529
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Speaker 3: which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Twentieth most likely to win the Super Bowl. I think

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Speaker 2: that is how they do it. So his which is

532
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Speaker 2: harder because you're in the AFC two, Yeah.

533
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Speaker 3: Which I get. But their chance to make their chance

534
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Speaker 3: to win Super Bowl fifty eight is one percent. Chance

535
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Speaker 3: to make the playoffs is thirty four percent, okay, according

536
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Speaker 3: to their algorithms.

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Speaker 2: The one percent thing adds up to me. I mean

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Speaker 2: that's fine. Yeah, yeah, the thirty four does that about

539
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Speaker 2: where you sit on that?

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Speaker 3: I feel much better.

541
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Speaker 2: I feel more like fifty three. Yeah, like I wouldn't

542
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Speaker 2: go to oh two out of three years. Du I mean,

543
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Speaker 2: it's hard to make the playoffs. You ca get hit,

544
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: hit hard with injuries and things, but thirty four seems late.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he says. The FPI algorithm doesn't know if

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Speaker 3: it's it's actually impossible for Mike Tomlin to win any

547
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Speaker 3: fewer than nine games, which gives the Steelers one of

548
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Speaker 3: the league's highest floors.

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Speaker 2: See. I got a kick out of that because he

550
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: at least realized, he said, maybe there is some people

551
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Speaker 2: better than this at others. You know what I mean?

552
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Speaker 2: In all seriousness, that was a joke. I guess for you.

553
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Speaker 3: On one, Pittsburgh will be counting on a healthier season

554
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 3: from edge rusher TJ. Watt. Upgrades to the offensive line.

555
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 3: In about six decades of successful drafting and developing, yielding

556
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Speaker 3: breakout seasons for quarterback Kenny Pickett and white out George Pickens,

557
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Speaker 3: among others, understandable. I'm on record as being skeptical of

558
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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh's chances, but I'm writing about how the things go

559
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 3: right in this piece as opposed to what might go wrong.

560
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Speaker 3: Picks development over the second half of the season was impressive,

561
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Speaker 3: even if his interception rate doesn't stick. The Steelers valued

562
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Speaker 3: him as a potential franchise passer round one of last

563
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Speaker 3: year's draft for a reason. If he makes the same

564
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Speaker 3: second year leap as Carson Wentz made for the Eagles

565
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Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, you know how that ended up for Philly.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a weird comparison. Yeah, Carson Wentz thing. Yeah,

567
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Speaker 2: but I guess the Eagles were sort of in a

568
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Speaker 2: similar place at this time that year, you know what

569
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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess and Wentz played like an MVP

570
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Speaker 2: before Foles took over. I think that was the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that year. Yeah, but there's a long

572
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Speaker 3: track record here, and if you look back, as I

573
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Speaker 3: did a story on this earlier in training camp, of

574
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Speaker 3: second year quarterbacks drafted in the first round taking that

575
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Speaker 3: second year leap is pretty significant.

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Speaker 2: That's a trend. Yeah, And that's a real trend and

577
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Speaker 2: we're seeing it too. Yeah, if he was at the

578
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Speaker 2: Zach preseason like right, but especially see in every practice

579
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: in the preseason games, you definitely see it. And not

580
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Speaker 2: that others don't. But he certainly puts the work in

581
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: and has the mind for it too. I mean, he's

582
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Speaker 2: not manzellin it out there.

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm well past the idea that Kenny Pickett is

584
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Speaker 3: going to be at least league average at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a good football player,

586
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Speaker 2: a good starting quarterback, And I.

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Speaker 3: Gets his floor. His floor is being league.

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Speaker 2: Average, And I kind of like what Clawson said a

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Speaker 2: couple of segments ago that it's not crazy talk to

590
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Speaker 2: think that he could be a plus player. Yeah, I mean,

591
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: you know the reason you win. So one thing I

592
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Speaker 2: do want to mention there though, because I do believe

593
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Speaker 2: this and this is not a positive for the Steelers,

594
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Speaker 2: is I forget exactly how he phrased it, but he

595
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Speaker 2: said his Kenny Pickett's second half interception percentage likely won't stick.

596
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Speaker 2: It's not going to stick.

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Speaker 3: Right in six games.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's not the norm. So that's going

599
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Speaker 2: to go up. I mean, he's going to throw more

600
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Speaker 2: picks per past attempt then won every six games. There's

601
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Speaker 2: just no way.

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Speaker 3: But he's probably also going to throw more touchdowns.

603
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: Yes, last year too, right, I mean, if they counteract

604
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Speaker 2: each other. But that's one of the regression things that's

605
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: going to happen. It's going to be negative regression with us.

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Speaker 3: You know, we talked to pick It today and he mentioned,

607
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Speaker 3: you know, he was asked about adversity and he says, look,

608
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Speaker 3: we're going to have adverse situations. We know that. You know,

609
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Speaker 3: it's not all going We're not going to go out

610
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Speaker 3: there and score five touchdowns on five possessions. That's not

611
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Speaker 3: going to happen, he said, But I feel like we

612
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Speaker 3: have a team that's that's capable of dealing with that

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Speaker 3: as a group.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think there's a lot to be said for that.

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Speaker 2: The leadership, the bet around the block, the you know,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't call him veteran head coach. That's selling Tomlin

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Speaker 2: even short. He's dealt with a ton of adversity, you know,

618
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Speaker 2: Cam Hayward and these guys too, and then you bring

619
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Speaker 2: in the sell them all loos and Alan Robinson's too,

620
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Speaker 2: and just like that side of the ball, and I

621
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Speaker 2: think Kenny's pretty mentally tough too.

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Speaker 3: This is where I kind of run off the rails here.

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Speaker 3: So the Browns, on the other hand, are fourteenth on

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Speaker 3: his list. Chance to win the Super Bowl two percent,

625
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 3: chance to make the playoffs forty four point one percent.

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Speaker 3: What he writes, the Browns look attractive on paper. We'll

627
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: leave a side quarterback, but Nick Chubb is the best

628
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 3: back in football running behind one of the league's best lines,

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Speaker 3: and Mary Cooper emerged as a number one wide out

630
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Speaker 3: last year. Miles Garrett is one of the best pass

631
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Speaker 3: rushers in football, and he never has He's never had

632
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: more help up front than his Zadarius Smith and Dalvin

633
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 3: Tomlinson added in the offseason. If new defensive coordinator Dream

634
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: Schwartz can coach up the secondary with three first and

635
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Speaker 3: second round draft picks, including a former chief safety one Thornhill,

636
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 3: into a passable unit, Cleveland really doesn't have any weakness

637
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: on offense or defense. You can't write that about the Steelers.

638
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 3: You know they have a good pass rush. He never

639
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: mentions that. No, you know that the offensive line is improved,

640
00:27:53,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: he never mentioned that. So that he stars at all

641
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: three levels on defense.

642
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: Even more so than the Browns do, even more so.

643
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 3: Than the Browns do. Maybe you might have the best

644
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: trio of defensive stars this side of I can't even

645
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: think of anybody else.

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00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 2: San Francisco. San Francisco is good. Yeah, if we give

647
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: him Hardgrave is the third. But in terms of I

648
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: would take the Steedles trio maybe over any I'm trying

649
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: to think this off the top of my head, Like

650
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: the Philly Corners are good, but I wouldn't put it

651
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: at that same level. Right, you know there are right right,

652
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: real quick though, that Brown's right up. If we didn't

653
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: read the Steeler one not compared to the Steeler one.

654
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Speaker 2: Just reading those paragraphs, I think it's very well written

655
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Speaker 2: and he's one hundred percent. But I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 3: What I don't see Matt is why we'll leave aside

657
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: the quarterback. But that's the reason why he feels the

658
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: Steelers are going to fail because of the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But what I what? I also agree with that he

660
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Speaker 2: doesn't go into detail there is on paper. On paper, yeah,

661
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: Browns are always good on paper. They build goods. That's

662
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: not how the league works, though they're they're very strong

663
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: on paper.

664
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: He then gets into the quarter Of course, the big

665
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: if is whether Deshaun Watson is the guy that Browns

666
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: traded three first round picks to acquire or the one

667
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: who looked bad in the shadow of Jacoby in the

668
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: shadow of Jacoby Brissett in the same offense a year ago.

669
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: If Watson is right, this is one of the league's

670
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: most complete teams.

671
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: It's a big if.

672
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: I feel more confident that Kenny Pickett will be will

673
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: be better than or it will be in the same

674
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: neighborhood as Deshaun Watson than I do. This Shawn Watson

675
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: moving into back into being one of the most uh

676
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: top five quarterbacks.

677
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: Say that again. You said you think Pickett.

678
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: I think Pickett is is has a better chance of

679
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: being in the neighborhood of Deshaun Watson in terms of

680
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: if he's league average being league average.

681
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 2: I just don't know what Deshawn's league average, either garbage

682
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: or great. I can't imagine that league atas.

683
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: I don't know that he he I don't know that.

684
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: I mean maybe a great necessarire.

685
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: And I love Deshaun Watson. When he came out, I

686
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: had him rated the head of Patrick behind Emby.

687
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

688
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, four years is a long time. We

689
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: haven't seen that guy in four years.

690
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: See. I kind of feel like Watson's either gonna be

691
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: noticeably worse than Pickett and everyone in the world will

692
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: see it because he's bad, or he's back and there's

693
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: nothing to do with Kenny. But Kenny's a thirteenth best

694
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: quarterback in Watson six.

695
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: I watched one preseason game of the Browns.

696
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: This shit, I don't think Watson's gonna be sick.

697
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: I think it was there. I think it was Cleveland's

698
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: third preseason game. They're playing against backups. Watson was like

699
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: five to ten for fifty nine yards off fumbled.

700
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: Twice in a rough free season, like he put the ball.

701
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: On the ground. Like the.

702
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: Errors are there all the time. Yeah, right, They've always

703
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: been there, even at Clemson, but.

704
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: He had the ability to make up for it with

705
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: the great place. I don't know that he's that guy anymore.

706
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: I don't know either. I don't know. I mean, I

707
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: know he's not a sixty four million dollars cap hit

708
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: the next three years.

709
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: This much.

710
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: I know that much. I know in which makes him

711
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: a bad investment and three first round picks.

712
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: But I don't see how you look at that Browns

713
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: roster and you look at the Steelers roster. If we're

714
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: comparing roster to roster, I'll give you that their offensive

715
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: line it's better, is better.

716
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: But I don't think the Steelers is bad.

717
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's I don't think the gap

718
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: is not what it was two years ago.

719
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: Let's do that's real quick quarterback aside. We just talked

720
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: quarterbacks to death. I'll take their backs, but they only

721
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: got one.

722
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: They've only got one, but I love them. He's the

723
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 3: best pure runner in the league.

724
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: I'll take the Steelers tight ends, but it's not by

725
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: a landslide. But I'll take the Steelers tight ends. I'll

726
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: take the Steelers receivers right, and I bet most people

727
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: out there would have Amari as their first round pick

728
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: of all the receivers in those two teams. I don't

729
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: know that. I don't think I would. He might even

730
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: be third, But there's a case for both. I'll take

731
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: the Browns oh line, right, but it's not leaps and bounds.

732
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: Let's take Garrett and Watt and throw them away. They're

733
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: a wash. Okay, so the rest of your defensive front,

734
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: I'll Cam's really strong in that argument. Yeah, and high

735
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: Smith ain't bad. They're looking for their high Smith. They

736
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: may have found them. Steers already have one, and Cam's

737
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: definitely the first pick of the rest of those dudes

738
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: off the ball. Linebackers are about the same to me.

739
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: Both have question marks. Could be good, could be bad.

740
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: I'll take the Browns Corners right, but I'll take the

741
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: steel safe safeties because America.

742
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: And yet when you talk about these teams.

743
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: And again, Steelers depth across the board.

744
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: Without a doubt, Yeah, yeah, yeah, But when these two

745
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: talked about, especially by guys like Barnwall who are just

746
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: looking at the analytics, love the Browns roster. They never

747
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: say that about the I don't get it. I don't

748
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: get it.

749
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: And frankly, which team has more star power? I'm not

750
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: calling Watson a star yet. I mean, yes, he's a

751
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: star nobody. I mean, he's a celebrity.

752
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: Garrett's a star, Loots a star. That's a wash though,

753
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: Chubb's a star.

754
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ward's a borderline star.

755
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: I don't think he is. He's to me, Ward isn't?

756
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: Is he a top?

757
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: I mean, can he? Would it shock you if he

758
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: ends up having a Pro Bowl season? I guess it depends.

759
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: On Yeah, he's No, he didn't.

760
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: Again, I've nerded out and done some Brown stuff to

761
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: give him a break. They were the least team of

762
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: left right corners, so he followed receivers more than anyone

763
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: out there. I didn't know that. He's not that guy though,

764
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: But that was asking too much of it, You know

765
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: that that's it was actually too much for almost anybody.

766
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: But Mink is a bigger star than him, without a doubt.

767
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: I mean easily, Cam's a bigger star than anybody else

768
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: they have on defense And okay, maybe they're guards or stars,

769
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: they're guards. Why tell her? I know he is. He's

770
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: a big dude. Only who that is? Maybe he's a

771
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: football players.

772
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: The offensive line isn't the vantage that it had been.

773
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: The two lines playing tomorrow are better than the Browns.

774
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: The Eagles are better than the Browns. So I think

775
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: there there lines going backwards at the time at the

776
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: moment because.

777
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: They're not adding anything to it because they gave up

778
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: three first round draft picks.

779
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: Again, Watson, they might have hit something into Wad Jones.

780
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: Who knows, you had a really good preseason, but who knows.

781
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: There's a reason he fell to the fourth round.

782
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 2: He doesn't really like football that much. But they may

783
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: have found their right tackle. But yeah, but I don't know.

784
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: The other thing is we talk about the rounds a lot.

785
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: When DeShawn becomes a sixty four million dollar cap it

786
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: next year, are you be able to keep both those

787
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: guards you're gonna be able to keep.

788
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: When Garrett's also costing you. They kicked money for Garrett

789
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: down the road this year as well. I didn't mean

790
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 3: to turn this into a whole Brown no, I know

791
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: segment here, but you look at their salary cap next

792
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: year with what they did moving.

793
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: While you're looking their salary cap this year, Deshawn's only

794
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: eighteen million, but their running back room, their tight end room,

795
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: their wide receiver room, and their O line room, they're

796
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: still by okay, I'll just put this way. The Browns

797
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: offense is by far, by far the most expensive in

798
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: the league. And they're only playing to Shawn eighteen this year. Yeah,

799
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: because they're spending so much in all those other rooms.

800
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: And then he's sixty four now.

801
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Deshaun is sixty four next year and Garrett is

802
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: thirty Five's.

803
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: A you get one hundred dollars and two players, and

804
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: one of them they're getting the money out of Yeah,

805
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, like that's a Bosa like it.

806
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 3: But then you know, Cooper is twenty three.

807
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: Seven, See I don't know if he's Denzel.

808
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 3: Ward is twenty three to six, Joe Batonio is twenty

809
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: one five. Like what are you doing? David and Joke

810
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: who is nineteen million dollars?

811
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: He's a really they're like the third most expensive tight

812
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: end room.

813
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: Yeah you're still playing.

814
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: You know.

815
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 3: It's just a bad build, it.

816
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: Is, and especially going all in on Watson of course,

817
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: but that aside, it's kind of a bad bill.

818
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: He has to be yeah, a top five quarterback this year,

819
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: and I don't think he can get there.

820
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: The only way that it's a good trade for them

821
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 2: is if they win the Super Bowl. And I think

822
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: this is kind of their last year.

823
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: To do it, and I don't think they can't.

824
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: He has to be a top five ye to do it, right.

825
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: Like, I just don't. I don't see that. Like, I

826
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: think it's there's a better chance that Kenny Pickett takes

827
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 3: a big step forward than Deshaun Watson regains his former

828
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: That's what I was trying to say.

829
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, If Picket's a what ever four out

830
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: of ten and Watson was a three out of ten,

831
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: I think Kenny's leap will be bigger. Yeah, Okay, maybe

832
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: the numbers are screwed up, but yeah, I trust Kenny

833
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: to take the leap more than I trust Watson.

834
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: At this point in his career. Watson might be what

835
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: he is.

836
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: I pretty much know Kenny's gonna take a leap. How big,

837
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

838
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 3: And it's not even so much like if the Cleveland

839
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: Browns were located in Saskatchewan, Tucson, Tucson, Arizona. I think

840
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson is a better warm weather quarterback.

841
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: Hmm okay, I thought we're not taking it personally because Steelers.

842
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: I don't think that he throws the ball well enough

843
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: to play in Cleveland. That's my that's my problem with

844
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: him signing in Cleveland, Like.

845
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: He doesn't know Mar's that way too.

846
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's not accurate enough as a quarterback.

847
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: I don't know where he grew up, but I think

848
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: it's in the South. I think it was somewhere around Clemson, Houston.

849
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't picture him playing many cold weather games.

850
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's in a cold weather city.

851
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: And the problem the Watson apologists will tell you he

852
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: dealt with some of the worst weather last year. Well

853
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: it's not to get better. Yes, it's Cleveland.

854
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: They do that every year. Yeah, it's I mean, I

855
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 3: can't tell you how many games I've covered in Cleveland

856
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: where the weather was just garbage.

857
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: And again I was only there one year, but I

858
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: remember the meetings our special teams coach, who was a really,

859
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: really good dude. We're talking about kickers like Arizona State kicker.

860
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: Don't even bring them up, Like we don't play in Arizona.

861
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: Like this is a unique stadium.

862
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: It's a real things always blowing up there, and sometimes

863
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: it's I mean, I've been up there on nice days

864
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: and it's still rough and the wind is blinkers. Yeah,

865
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: it's the same thing playing in Giant Stadium. Yeah, you know,

866
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to deal with the wind coming in

867
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: off the water.

868
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 2: It's it's down the list of reasons why they haven't

869
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: had a quarterback and since Kozar, but it's one of

870
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: the reasons. It's not an easy place to.

871
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: You've got to have arm strength, and you got to

872
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: you gotta have not just arms strength.

873
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: But know how to handle the win.

874
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, how to how to deal with those things. You're

875
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: gonna play in cold weather, you're gonna play rain, You're

876
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: gonna play in bad situations.

877
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: He's a good question about Watson. It's like, I've never

878
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: seen him excel in bad weather. Ye, canny.

879
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know that he's the runner that he

880
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 3: was earlier in his.

881
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: Career that I'm curious about this year.

882
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 3: That's what I don't know.

883
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: I know Wilson isn't yeah, like and that hurts him dramatically.

884
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: You know, he can't extend plays and live that way.

885
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: I don't know Watson, Ken or not anymore.

886
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was one of his calling cards.

887
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons, you know.

888
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, tremendous.

889
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: I liked him so much. He was like the modern quarterback.

890
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: Really what you want a great vision, right, And.

891
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: To think back to I think it was his first

892
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: start against the Bengals and he took off on a run,

893
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 3: like a sixty yard run against the Bengals. It's like, oh, yeah,

894
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 3: there's that guy from Clemson.

895
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: So but he also doesn't have a huge arm. No, no,

896
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: that that was my problem with him at Clemson is

897
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: he threw a fair amount of picks at Clemson, and

898
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: a lot of them were when he was late with

899
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: the ball or would hold the ball and thought he

900
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 2: could just drive it in even in the ACC and

901
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 2: he proved me wrong with the Texans. But that was

902
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: one of my concerns that I'm coming out.

903
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Barnwall has the Ravens at seven on this list.

904
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think he puts the order. I think

905
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: it's all off their.

906
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: That it's all off. But the chance for the Ravens

907
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: to win the Super Bowl four point three percent. I

908
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 3: would bet against that a hundred times.

909
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 2: I mean, Steelers were one the Browns were two.

910
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, a chance to make the playoffs fifty nine point

911
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: eight percent.

912
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm not.

913
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: I'm just not buying it. Maybe I'm wrong.

914
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: I think the off Houston, you know, like I originally

915
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: looked a him and said, boy, that team could start slow.

916
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: I wish they were playing the Browns or Bengals or somebody,

917
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I don't think they're opening schedules

918
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: particularly difficult. Yeah, I mean what I remember, I know,

919
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: Houston's a pretty easy game.

920
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: You look at their schedule.

921
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: I don't think the defense will get exposed by that offense.

922
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: And even if Lamar is struggling, he'll probably do fine against Houston.

923
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: So they have Houston, then they're at Cincinnati.

924
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so maybe that'll be the telling me one.

925
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: Then they have the Indianapolis Colts at home. Then they're

926
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 3: at Cleveland.

927
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: Remind me to bet on the Bengals in week two.

928
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: Then they're at Pittsburgh.

929
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's two out of four tough ones.

930
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: Then they're at Tennessee.

931
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: That's tough defense at least. Yeah, I think the end

932
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: of their schedule is hard. I know there's some anomalies

933
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: with their schedule that I don't remember off the top

934
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 2: of my head.

935
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 3: Then they got and that's the Tennessee game is in London.

936
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: That's the one that's in London. And they come back home.

937
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: And they didn't want the rest.

938
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: They didn't want the rest. They come back and play

939
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: the Lions at home, at least at home in week seven. Yeah,

940
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: that's actually when Jamis and Williams could come back point week.

941
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: Then they're at Arizona. Okay, win that game, Seattle at home.

942
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: You must have a bye late then. Yeah.

943
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: Then they played the Browns at home. Then they played

944
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: at Bengals home. So they get three in a row

945
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: at home. But it's Seattle, Cleveland, Cincinnati. None of those

946
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 3: are the layups.

947
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: But at least they get Seattle in their building, going

948
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: to Seattle Stings.

949
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: Then it's at the Chargers.

950
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be a ton of Raven fans.

951
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: You get a buy in week thirteen.

952
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: That might be nice considering our late season injuries. And yeah,

953
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: maybe a late bye is good for them.

954
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: Play the Rams at home. Then you're at Jacksonville at

955
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: San Francisco, Miami at home, and Pittsburgh at home.

956
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: That's people talk about the seats.

957
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: The Steelers schedule down the stretch. That's a I mean,

958
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: you gotta go to Jacksonville to San Francisco, the Dolphins

959
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 3: at home the Steelers.

960
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking before, because that last

961
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: month is rough.

962
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: If they don't get off to a good start.

963
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: Exactly, it's troublesome. They do have a couple of nice

964
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: ones Arizona. I'm sure they'll have like Stetson Bennett and

965
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: by the time they had Rams and Yeah, but the.

966
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: Steelers have those same games. It is what it is.

967
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: We're overdue for a break. He is Matt Williams and

968
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

969
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back to finish up

970
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: the show right after this.

971
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

972
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

973
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

974
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: And we are back, Matt. We have a Steelers injury

975
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: report from today, first one ever, huh, the first one

976
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: for the season. The only players that is twenty or yeah.

977
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: Two guys limited this day today. That would be Cam

978
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: Hayward that was not injury related, yeah, and then Larry

979
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 3: Ogunjobi with a foot was limited as well. But that's it.

980
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: I have no reason to think this. But is there

981
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: any indication that Larry Ogunjobi's gonna be on there every Wednesday?

982
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: I mean probably yeah.

983
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: I mean that's just a situation of that situation, huh.

984
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: And they don't I mean, he's a thirty year old

985
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: defensive line and they don't need to run him out there. Yeah,

986
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: you know, you go left, you go right.

987
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: Practice.

988
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: Casey Hamptonson famously a couple of years, a bunch of

989
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 3: years ago, I got two jobs.

990
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: I go left, they go right, and then they try

991
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: to Leo and Benton and give him a break to

992
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, you got so many young guys there.

993
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 3: It's not such a bad the young and new guys,

994
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: I should say, with Harmani Watser as well, not such

995
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: a bad idea to get those guys as many as

996
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: as possible. And I think early in the season as well.

997
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: I don't think you need to ask a ton out

998
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: Ogan Jo.

999
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going to probably rotate those guys pretty heavily

1000
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: early in the season. Yeah.

1001
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: None of them have played one hundred percent snapcounts, including

1002
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: Hayward and Watt, and those guys I got a uh,

1003
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: do you think like her big will get in and

1004
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: a little bit yeah, yeah, and rotate those guys a

1005
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: little bit, the rookies, And yeah, I do too.

1006
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: I think he's just a fast ball off the edge too.

1007
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: We'll see that an interesting conversation. Speaking of that today

1008
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: with with T J. Watt, I asked him about Cynthia

1009
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: Freeland's no yeah she uh tracked him in the game

1010
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: against the Bills and said his first three steps were

1011
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: even faster than they were a couple of years ago

1012
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: when he won Defensive Player of the Year. And I said,

1013
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: do you do you work work on it? Hees Why

1014
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: I always work on it? He said, I don't necessarily

1015
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: track it.

1016
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if the guys actually time it.

1017
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that explosion is always something that I want.

1018
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: And I said, you know, is that like, is that

1019
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: the key component of a pass rush? He says, yeah,

1020
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: because if I had that good get off, it allows

1021
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: me to set the offensive tackle up for so many

1022
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 3: different things. If I don't have that good get off,

1023
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 3: essentially I got a bull rush the entire game. He said,

1024
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: that's just no fun and you're not gonna have a

1025
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: lot of success.

1026
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: But if we're smart and they know it.

1027
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I have, if I can threaten him with

1028
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: my get off, now, it sets up the spin move,

1029
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: it sets up the duck under, it sets everything else up.

1030
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you got to have your fastball to make

1031
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: the curve work. And no type of thing. I think

1032
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: we've brought this up. But one thing I've really noticed

1033
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: over the last five, six, seven years, and maybe it

1034
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: goes back thirty years, I don't know, but their edge guys,

1035
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: I can promise you the scouting department is more conscientious

1036
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: than most teams of first step second step quickness. You know,

1037
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: all their guys are at the top of the league.

1038
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: Like, I don't care if you run a four to

1039
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: seven obout your ten yard Yeah, what's your what's your

1040
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: ten yard split? And how do you bend around the edge?

1041
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: How flexible are you?

1042
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: I mean like if you read any scout report on

1043
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: herbig high smith Watt even when they're coming out, and

1044
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: those guys weren't high picks even what it's really good

1045
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: get off yeah you know what I mean. Like, I

1046
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: think they stress that when they work at it.

1047
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they start they start every practice

1048
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: with that ball drill, with the guy with the football.

1049
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: On a stick.

1050
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: Everybody lines up and you, you know, watch the ball

1051
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: and he'll give a false count every once in a while.

1052
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: But they measure that that ten yard split and they

1053
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 3: race to see who as the best ten yard split

1054
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 3: in defense.

1055
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: I don't know how the organization works in this regard,

1056
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: but it wouldn't shock me if someone's doing what Cynthia's

1057
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: doing and actually timing it. Yeah, why do I have

1058
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: that stuff? Yeah? Oh, I'm sure they do.

1059
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: I got an email here, matt from Jimmy Shapiro and

1060
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: he's who runs a bet online and he has the

1061
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: favorites here for some different awards. Patrick Mahomes still the

1062
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 3: favorite to win the MVP.

1063
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: Just to win it two years in a row. It

1064
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: really is the voters get bored, he said.

1065
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson has made the biggest jump from eighteen to

1066
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: one to nine to one.

1067
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: I guess I can understand that. I'm not sure when

1068
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: the eighteen to one was. Was that like before Flowers

1069
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 2: was drafted and Odell was signed.

1070
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: Or he doesn't say here, I guess from where they

1071
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: started at to where they're just probably like right after

1072
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: the draft. Yeah, he said that. Matthew Stafford has had

1073
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: the biggest fall from forty to one to one hundred

1074
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: and twenty.

1075
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: Five to one. I don't know. I can't paint a

1076
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: picture where he wins.

1077
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 3: People finally caught onto the idea that the Rams are

1078
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: gonna be bad. Like a month ago when Steele, when

1079
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: we were getting ready to go to training camp. People

1080
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: are still talking, well, the Rams could be a surprise team.

1081
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: I think they the surprise will be if they won

1082
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: more of sick games.

1083
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be neck and neck with the car.

1084
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: I think the Cardinal Rams games are going to determine

1085
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: who wins its first overall pick.

1086
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1087
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: As we were talking on my podcast today and we

1088
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: were talking about the Cup injury and my co host

1089
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: is like, who's Stafford going to be thrown to? And

1090
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, Drake London, Kyle Pitts, you know, like I mean,

1091
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: it might not even be somebody, it might not even

1092
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: be a Ram.

1093
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Defensive Player of the Year Micah Parsons is now

1094
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Speaker 3: the favorite. What opened is the favorite?

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00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: Really?

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00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 3: The biggest jump from one fifty to one to thirty

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00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: three to one. Jalen Phillips, Okay, I love that player.

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00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: Coach of the Year. Nate Tice was on a podcast

1099
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Speaker 2: and he said, I'm putting money on Minka Fitzpatrick to

1100
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: win Defensive Player of the Year. Big takeaway here and there.

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00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of a sneaky one. He's

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00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: a super long shot.

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00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not bad in the defensive It's hard for

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00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: defensive backs to win it. But if you have seven

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00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 3: or eight picks.

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00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gilmore did. Yeah that long ago. He threw out

1107
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: out there as his favorite long shot. I'm like, oh,

1108
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 2: that's not bad.

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00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Coach of the Year Sean Payton was the opening

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00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: favorite and is now tied for second. Arthur Smith is

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00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: the new favorite.

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00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: I can see that if they win a division, or

1113
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: even if they just go to the playoffs. Yeah right, yeah,

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00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: I picked the Packers to win that division. Not that

1115
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: I love it, but if that happens, I think Laflora's

1116
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: got a great chance to win it, you know, win

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00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: the division.

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00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 3: With NFC North A's opposed to the NFC South.

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00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: Offensive Rookie of the Year Jean Robinson is still the favorite.

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00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: Jordan Addison and Devin A. Chain have both moved up.

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00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 3: I don't know why a change would move.

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Speaker 2: I guess because they didn't trade for Taylor or anything.

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00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. Six new players have been added to the board,

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Speaker 3: although he doesn't say who they are. I can't believe

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00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: none of the quarterbacks.

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00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: The problem with Bijeon is could have been Britisee Hall,

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Speaker 2: could have been Walker. They get hurt. Yeah, it's tough

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Speaker 2: for If he plays seventeen games, I think Bejeon will

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Speaker 2: win it, but you might not play seventy games.

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00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: Defensive Rookie of the Year Will Anderson still the favorite.

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00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: Elijah Cantsey went off the board. He was tied for

1133
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: fifth at twelve to one. While he's hurt right now,

1134
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: so that's not going to happen. Will McDonald has made

1135
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: a nice jump.

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00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: He's a part time player though.

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00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see him winning it. Five new players

1138
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: have been added to the board.

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00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: The one I'm most interested in, I'm sure Anderson's the leader.

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Speaker 2: Jack Campbell's the one I would pick.

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00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: I think Jack Campbell's going to a strong Yeah, like

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00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: he's gonna have again tackles are not a legitimate and a.

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00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: Statistics still, but he's gonnabody.

1144
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: He's gonna have one hundred and thirty five of them field.

1145
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be in primetime games the first time ever,

1146
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: will be the face of that defense. Tough guy. You know,

1147
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: he was my pick and I bet you can get

1148
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: decent odds on him.

1149
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then comeback Player of the Year Damar mar

1150
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 3: Hamlin's the overwhelming favorite too, has moved up in the second.

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Speaker 2: My question is such a weird award. Why isn't t J.

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00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: Watt considered for that? If is, if he missed seven

1153
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: games last year, he was off his game because of it.

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00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: If he goes out, if he does happen to be

1155
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: in the running, let's say finish his top three in

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Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year.

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00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 2: Or even if he has twelve sacks Hamlin stuff, it's

1158
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: not high. Yeah.

1159
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: The Damar Hamlin stuff is great and it's a great story,

1160
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: but he's just back up.

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00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I never quite understand how to do that award.

1162
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: I mean, in a way, it's like congratulations, you stunk

1163
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: two years ago, hurt year, or you were hurt or

1164
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: so to me.

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00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: That's why I look at guys where you're hurt like

1166
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't fall into the you know, this

1167
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: guy stunk and he had.

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00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: A better year, like Lawrence from your one to two.

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00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that doesn't get you comeback. That just means

1170
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 3: you got better. Comeback means you missed a good chunk

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00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 3: of the season and then you came back and we're,

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00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 3: you know, great again.

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Speaker 2: What if like Wilson has a big year, right, Okay,

1174
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: you stunk and came back. Yeah, you know that would

1175
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: make some sense. It's gonna be Handling, It's gonna be yeah.

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00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: And again we're not giving Handling a hard time. It's

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Speaker 2: a tremendous no.

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Speaker 3: No, it's a great story, but it's not for me.

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00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: The guy should if.

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00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 3: He plays, if he plays ten snaps a game on

1181
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: special teams.

1182
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: And is the dimeback, the Bills probably would be okay

1183
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: without I mean, hey, I'm rooting for him too.

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00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: Guys, right, I mean it's just to me, I I

1185
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: it's a weird award, it really is. Looking here, we

1186
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 3: got the charge here? Who else is on that Comeback

1187
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: Player of the Year? So Tua or Damar Hamlin, Tua

1188
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 3: te John Machi? What do you go you never played

1189
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 3: the game in the NFL? What do you coming back from?

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00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson is on that list.

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00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, Okay, I was saying some of the quarterbacks

1192
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: Mac Jones, Ridley, Alvin Ridley. I guess kind of makes sense,

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00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: but it's coming back from suspension. Did we give you

1194
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: awards for that?

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00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: Well, if you remember when he was just at the

1196
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: time he was suspended, he was he was sitting out

1197
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: already because of the he was having the issues with

1198
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: with right. I think it was depression.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it seems like coming back from suspension,

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00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: you broke a league rule and now we're gonna give

1201
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 2: you an award. That doesn't seem to add up to be.

1202
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 2: Lamar is on here, you missed some time.

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00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: Cooper cup Odell, Beckham, Sam O'Dell, I can understand, Sam Darnold,

1204
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 3: Trey Lance, Breese, Hall Baker me of going down this list,

1205
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: I don't see t J.

1206
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: Watt on there at all. What's the difference with him

1207
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: as opposed to several Tom I mean, the one of

1208
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: the best at their position. I don't get had the

1209
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: miss time. Chase Young that's a good one, uh J. C.

1210
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 3: Jackson, Okay, Kyler Murray if he comes back, all right?

1211
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 3: Michael Thomas.

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00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: Michael Thomas A good one.

1213
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Alan Robinson is on here. He's the Alan Robinson's

1214
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 3: the only Steeler mentioned on that list.

1215
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: It's still the weirdest to word to me.

1216
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: That's a crazy one. Just looking here see if any

1217
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 3: of the Steelers rookies have made it into the Defensive

1218
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year voting. And I don't see anybody

1219
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: on there. Oh No, Joey Porter Jr. Opened at twenty

1220
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: to one. He's now twenty two to one.

1221
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: It's a really tough position to make it.

1222
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: I'm just looking to see here.

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00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: Where's Campbell, Adam, I'm looking to see you he is,

1224
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing him. Oh he's that.

1225
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: He opened at twenty five to one, He's now sixteen

1226
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 3: to one.

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00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: I'll put a buck on that. Yeah. I mean Anderson

1228
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: to me should probably be the favor, but Campbell's not.

1229
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: It's nature of the position.

1230
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: Is Anderson, Jalen Carter, Tyree Wilson, Devin Wetherspoon, Elijah Kntsey's

1231
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: off the board now.

1232
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: Christian Zalez, I think Campbell over almost all those guys.

1233
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: He's gonna be on the field all the time.

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00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: Lucas van Ness, Nolan Smith, Will McDonald.

1235
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: Like Nolan Smith and Will McDonald, aren't you starters?

1236
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: Van Ness is on the same team as Campbell, Like

1237
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: he's a packer, right, these guys are on starters.

1238
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not even sure Jalen Carter is going to

1239
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: take the.

1240
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: Guy who's going to be in the middle of that defense. Yeah,

1241
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 3: a bunch of tackles.

1242
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: Have interceptions and tackles and fumble recoveries, and yeah, I

1243
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 2: think that's a good bet.

1244
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that offensive view. I just got to the offensive rookie.

1245
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: Bijeon is by far. Then you got Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson,

1246
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 3: Jamior Gibbs, and then c J. Stroud.

1247
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: I don't know how i'd rank the quarterbacks. I might

1248
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: put richardson first just because of highlights. Yeah, you know,

1249
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: shows on Sports Center a lot, you know, but he

1250
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: might throw twenty five minutes. Low lights could be bad.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, that's goind to do it for today's show. He

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Speaker 3: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lalli. We want to

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Speaker 3: thank our man CJ. Wooefully in the studio here keeping

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Speaker 3: us on the air, and we want to thank you

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Speaker 3: for listening to this edition of The Drive on Steelers

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