1 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Gibbs alongside Nick Shook and Andrew Gribble, and 2 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: this is the bye week condition of the best podcast available, 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: We're Happier with Us. It is Thursday. The guys have 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: officially scattered. Welcome to the four day weekend. Uh. It 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: is amazing to me when you take a look at 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: the players and their travel arrangements, that they can be 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: done practicing and within ninety minutes beyond a flight to 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: somewhere tropical. Uh. Tropical tropical, not Cleveland in other words, 9 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: but an impressive display of leaving on all of their parts, 10 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: but well deserved four days off. They are two and 11 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: four though at the bye week, and there are a 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: lot of guys still here in town. There were There 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: are guys here at the facility today. The coaches, Uh, 14 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: some of them have gotten away a little bit and 15 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: or will get away later on today. But the guys 16 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: still in the building and trying to figure out how 17 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: to turn things around here at the bye week, six 18 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: games into the two thousand nineteen season. Uh. First and foremost, 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 1: before we get into our state of the team, state 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: of the offense, state of the defense, and look at 21 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: special teams. UH. John Dorsey with his bye week press 22 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: conference yesterday. Gribble takeaway or two from what you heard 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: from the Browns general manager, Well, I think he set 24 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: a tone and established a theme of optimism. And I 25 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: think that, uh it first came with an acknowledgement of 26 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: of not being pleased with what's happened. You're two and four. 27 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: No one wants to be two and four. But it 28 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: really hit the same notes that he hit last year 29 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: at the mid season press conference after they just fired 30 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson Todd Haley, where he said there was a 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: lot of football left and it proved to be correct 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: that the team went five and three from that point 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: and that include to the game where they had to 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: pick up the pieces and get back on the field 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: against the Kansas cy Chiefs right away. Uh So that 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: was a loss there, but there is a lot of 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: football left. And and in similar fashion, your first game 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: after this kind of press conference is a very very 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: tough one against the New England Patriots. It's not one 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: that you can't win, it's one that you're not expected 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: to win. But from that point forward, you're gonna have 42 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: to win most of those games if you want to 43 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: achieve your goals. This season, So I think that he's 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: letting this thing unfold. I think there are signs of progress, 45 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: there's also signs of distress in our opinion, and it's 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of playing better. And I think 47 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: that the thing that I'm optimistic about is, first off, 48 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: the schedule gets easier. Uh. And secondly, you look back 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: at last year, this team played probably it's best game 50 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: of the season after the bye week. So maybe that's 51 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: a byproduct of game planning. Maybe it's just a byproduct 52 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: these guys clearing their heads and getting their minds right. 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to start playing like that if 54 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: you want to get to where you need to be. 55 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: And now at two and four, you gotta play a 56 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: little catch up. I kint a tweet today in in 57 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: response to something Dorsey had suggest so that we had 58 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: sent out on Twitter, um asking can this team really 59 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: go eight and two? And I mean, yeah, if you know, 60 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: especially if they win this game coming up here. But 61 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: it's it's good that they do have the extra week 62 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: to prepare and um, you know, take a look at 63 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: or consider any changes that they might want to make, uh, 64 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: and then be able to implement it, implement it in 65 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: time to get ready to play against what is probably 66 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: the best team in the NFL right now. Uh. They 67 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: just came off of playing the best player in the 68 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: NFL right now, at least this year, in Russell Wilson. 69 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: So I mean this is not like they're not they 70 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: haven't been through a little bit of a fire to 71 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: prepare themselves. I think that they're probably gonna surprise some 72 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: people with their play. Uh, and I think they're gonna 73 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: be aided by that bye week. So good time for it. 74 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: But also it's it's that time where we have to have, 75 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, a press conference like this, because that's what 76 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: you do with that, you know, at that point in 77 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: the season when you have your bye weekend. Uh. And 78 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: everything's not rosy here, but at two and four, you 79 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: shouldn't expect it. A lot to get to and lots 80 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: to work on over the next couple of weeks. I 81 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: thought it was interesting too, you know, the media asking 82 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: and you know you're gonna make a move. We we 83 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: still have another week before the deadline, week and a 84 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: half before the deadline, and John Dorsey said it, this 85 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: time of year, it's hard to make a move, especially 86 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: you know the rumors that are out there about an 87 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: offensive lineman and going after someone on the offensive line. 88 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: Dorsey said it best like guys teams are just willing 89 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: to part with offensive lineman. They have their group, and uh, 90 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, the Browns might have to make do with 91 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: what they have right now, and it's up to the coaches, 92 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: as he pointed out yesterday, to get these guys ready 93 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: to play over these next ten games. Yeah, it's as 94 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: much that they have their group as that there's just 95 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: not the high quality lineman out there. And and that's 96 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: kind of a systematic issue where you know, the way 97 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: that guys are being taught at one level as opposed 98 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: to next makes the transition for them to go, especially 99 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: from college the NFL, and for them to find immediate success. 100 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: I mean, we just had a similar story, right, you know, 101 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: with the trade of Austin Corbett to the Rams. I mean, 102 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: this is a guy who played tackle and then ended 103 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: up trying to play garden end up at center and 104 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: ultimately was dealt away. So the learning curve is much 105 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: steeper on the offensive line and the transition is not 106 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: as easy, which is why we don't have as many 107 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: options out there as you might have. It as a 108 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: running back or at a wide receiver or a tight end, 109 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: whatever it might be. So it's not gonna be easy 110 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: to if you want to make such a move, it's 111 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: not gonna be easy to strike such a deal. And 112 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: if you don't, you know, shuffling the deck in internally 113 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: is not just suddenly a quick fix either corporate trade, 114 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: queen talk real quick. Does this does this sexpedite the 115 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: need or desire to lock up JC Tredder at a 116 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: longer point in time. I mean, that's something that comes up. 117 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, he's played really well these last few years, 118 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: and I think you had that contingency plan with Austin 119 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: Corbett where maybe he was being groomed as the center 120 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: of the future. Well now you don't have one. So 121 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: I think that JC Tredder might be the the center 122 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: of your present, near future and and this and long future. 123 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: So that that's something that we might want to keep 124 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: an eye on here and and that maybe it happens 125 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: in season, maybe it's right after season. But I imagine 126 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: jac is a guy that wants to keep playing here 127 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: and he's he's played really well. He him and but 128 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: Tonia are not your problems on the offensive line. The 129 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: rest is has been the issue, and that's that's an 130 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: area that we're gonna have to focus on here, uh 131 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: and the next week or so and see if there's 132 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: gonna be any different pieces on that offensive line when 133 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: you when you line up against the Patriots. You know, 134 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: George said it best yesterday. He believe that you have 135 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: to have a strong foundation on both offense and defense, 136 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: and that starts with the lines. You know, those two lines. Uh. 137 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: He's what he did during the press conference. Sitting right here, 138 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: those two lines, Yeah, right here are the most important 139 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: parts of of your of your football team. And I 140 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: think right now you're getting good performance from one and 141 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: you're getting decent performance from the other, but it's not 142 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: quite where you want it to be in order to 143 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: have success. And as we all know, you know, once 144 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: you eat the four losses in six games time, you 145 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: know it gets late a little early. So the pressure 146 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: is on, no question about it, Grimma. Were you surprised 147 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: about the corportt read? Maybe by the timing? Uh? And 148 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: I guess you take advantage of a situation with the 149 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: Rams just need bodies at this point because they've been 150 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: struggling with injuries, and it must have just reached the point, 151 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: uh where you're like, what's the ceiling of Corbett here 152 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: in Cleveland? Does he need a fresh start? Uh? And 153 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: you know you you you hold onto him because he's 154 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: a second round pick. But at what point do you 155 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: you cut your losses and move on and give him 156 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: another opportunity. I think you you moved him around at 157 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: every possible position. And if you couldn't make him an 158 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: active if you couldn't make an active member on your 159 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: on your game, dear roster at this point of the season, 160 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: what does that mean about his third season or can 161 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: you even bank on him being on the field then? 162 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: And then maybe it's part of it's like, hey, we 163 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: want to keep j. C. Treader here a long term 164 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: and center is not going to be the position that 165 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to move into as well. So uh, 166 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: I guess you you evaluate the market fifth round pick 167 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: or or reportedly a fifth round pick for for the deal. 168 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: I guess you you make the move and you move on. 169 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: I think it was telling that and this is a 170 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: tease for what's coming up, which is a one on 171 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: one with James camp in the offensive line coach. But 172 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: I think it's telling that one of the responses he 173 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: gave me in that interview was pointing out the fact 174 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 1: that the Browns used all seven of their active lineman 175 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: last week. And if Austin Corbett, like you said, can't 176 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: be one of those active linemen, then it makes you 177 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: start to wonder, especially when one of those active linemen 178 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: actually both of them are guys you acquired at the 179 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: start of the season. I mean, it's not like these 180 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: guys went through camp and really prove something. These are 181 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: guys you brought in late. That right there proves to 182 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: me that, Okay, maybe you know, you go back and 183 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: re evaluate where you are with this player, and I 184 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: think if you can get value for him, you know, 185 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: and if you deem it, you know, appropriate value, then 186 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: you pull the trigger. And they did. There's alignement after 187 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: lineman after lineman in the NFL who's been like Austin 188 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: Corport where the first place didn't work out, second or 189 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: third might might work out for just fine form. I mean, 190 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: I think that there's an example right now in the 191 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. The Browns had to move on from 192 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: cam Irving. He's filling in just fine over there. I mean, 193 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: these guys develop at different points in different times in 194 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: their career. But now when Corporate goes to the Rams, 195 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: he's no longer second round pick Austin Corporate. That's that's 196 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: the difference. When you go into a different setting, you 197 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: don't have to deal with that kind of label on you, 198 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: and you don't have to deal with those kind of pressures, 199 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: and you're really gonna have to fight for your spot 200 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: on that roster. It's funny he goes from, Oh, this 201 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: is the guy you spent the thirty pick onto. Oh, 202 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: we only gave up a fifth for him. Oh, look, 203 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: he's playing great, you know, and it can turn around 204 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: that quickly, and perception can change that quickly. All right, 205 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: let's take a look at the offense here through six games, 206 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: and Gribble, I'll start with you give me a positive 207 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: that you've seen from this offense through six games, Nick Chubb. 208 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: I think that's I mean, he's one of the best 209 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: running backs in the league, and I think he's he's 210 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: only eleven yards off the league lead and rushing. Both 211 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: him and McCaffrey are gonna be off this week, so 212 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: they'll fall back to back a little bit this weekend. 213 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: You have McCaffrey. Yeah, it's Okay, we'll still win. You might, 214 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: but he's been really, really good, and I think that 215 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: I think that's why everyone wants to get him the 216 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: ball more. I don't know if you really can get 217 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: him the ball too much more without running him into 218 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: the ground. He touched the ball. I think he ran 219 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: it twenty two times this past week and had a 220 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: bunch of other passes thrown his way as well. Uh, 221 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: he's been really good. And I think that this offensive 222 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: line has had its struggles, but they've been all right 223 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: at run blocking and opening up holes for him. Uh. 224 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what happens once you get 225 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: Cream Hunt involved, how you can maybe make that a 226 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: real strength of your team. Uh. But he is, he's 227 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: been pacing this offense, and when he's playing as well 228 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: as he has, that's why people keep saying run the ball, 229 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: and it makes it important enough too, not fall behind early, 230 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: not not getting penalty situations where you can't run the ball. 231 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: That's that's where he becomes so valuable. And I know 232 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: that I've kind of maybe had this epiphany the last 233 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: couple of weeks with this offense. Uh, you look at 234 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: everyone says you gotta establish the run and that's gonna 235 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: help out Baker Mayfield. I almost think it's the opposite 236 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: with this team. I feel like Chubb's best games with 237 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: this offense are when the offense comes out hot passing 238 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: the ball, and then he closes out the game in 239 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: the second half. You go back to last year some 240 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: of his biggest games of the Browns. Last year against 241 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: the Falcons, the Browns come out really efficient on offense 242 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: passing the ball down the field. Baker gets touched down 243 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: pastor a Shard Higgins early in the game. Then in 244 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: the second half, Chubb gets his ninety two yard run 245 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: helps seal the game. This past year against the Ravens, 246 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: the offense was really good in the first half throwing 247 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: the ball. They weren't good running the ball. Chubb didn't 248 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: hadn't done much in the first half at all. They're 249 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: passing the ball bunch, and then it's the second half 250 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: where he comes in and seals the games. I don't 251 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: necessarily think this is an offense where it's Chubb first, 252 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: then that helps Baker. I think it's Baker in the 253 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: passing game first, then Chubb comes in and helps you out. Yeah. 254 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: I totally agree, and and and Chub is also a 255 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: guy who gets stronger as the game goes on, and 256 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: maybe some of it is due to that, but I 257 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: mean we've seen even this year that you know, he's 258 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: he's just seems to him prove as you get in 259 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: deeper into the second half and you really need maybe 260 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: a run or two to ice things or put you 261 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: in a better situation. I mean, he's he's about as 262 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: reliable as they come. But I am really intrigued about 263 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: the potential for coming out in two back sets and 264 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: and different things. You can do. Have the shotgun and 265 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: maybe the pistol once Kareem Hunt is available, because that's 266 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: somebody else that you have to account for. I mean, 267 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: with all due respect to dont Trell Hilliard and UH 268 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: and d Ernest Johnson, they are not Kareem Hunt. They're 269 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: not somebody where you're looking. Oh that's twenty seven over there. Uh, 270 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: let's make sure we keep an eye on him. He 271 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: could break a big one, and Uh, I think it'll 272 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: make this offense more balanced and more dangerous, which could 273 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: help in the long run, because you know, people talk 274 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: about establishing the run in part because you want to 275 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: soften up a defense and you want to keep them 276 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: from putting their ears back, and that's totally true. But 277 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: at the same time, you could do that similarly in 278 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: the passing game if you can, you know, become a 279 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: quicker passing game, which is what we saw early in 280 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: that game. And I think there was a little bit 281 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: too much emphasis on, oh my god, Baker Mayfield get 282 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: the ball out so quick. He must just only be 283 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: good at doing that on Sunday, which is not the case. 284 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: But it does help you establish a rhythm, and they 285 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: got to know quite a rhythm on Sunday. So if 286 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: they can continue to do that, uh and kind of 287 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: do this reverse logic with their offense, like Gribble mentioned, 288 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, with the short passing in the quick passing 289 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: game helping set up the run, then they could be 290 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: comeing offense that would be very difficult to overcome because 291 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: once you established the the run in the later part 292 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: of the game like that, you can control time of possession. 293 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: And it's a lot better to control time of possession 294 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: with a lead, obviously than if you were at if 295 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: you're tired, or if you're trailing. So it could be 296 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: interesting to see how this offense develops. What's what's one 297 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: thing shook that scares you when it comes to this 298 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: offense or worries you through games. I think right now, 299 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: it's just the turnovers and and um, a lot of 300 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: them have been happenstance. They've been unfortunate circumstances where a 301 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: ball goes off of receiver's hands and the defenders right 302 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: there to pick it off. And I think, you know, 303 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: Jarvis made a good point when he talked with reporters 304 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: on Monday, which was, you know, any time a ball 305 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: gets tipped in the air in this league, it's it's 306 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: likely to be intercepted. And I think that's something that 307 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: you've got to cut down on. Um, Being a little 308 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: bit more on time with your throws I think is 309 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: going to help because a lot of those interceptions, especially 310 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: last week, we're behind receivers. But at the same time, 311 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: I think that just comes with practice and also comes 312 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: with comfort, and this offense has not looked comfortable for 313 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: most of this season. I think they got closer to 314 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: it in the most recent week. Hopefully you can cut 315 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: down that because if you can throw those passes on time, 316 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: Dravis was open in the end zone when that ball 317 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: went off his hands. Uh, Dontrelle was kind of opening 318 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: the flat um. That one probably is the hardest one 319 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: to explain. And uh, and then the the first interception 320 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: on Sunday, which was basically O'Dell got screened off of 321 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: his own play, got bumped. That could have gone for 322 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: a pickup of you know, seven to fifteen yards if 323 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: not more. I mean it was there. He just ran 324 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: into the defender when or the defender ran into him. 325 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: So if you can eliminate it's not that these turnovers 326 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: are flat out mistakes. I think that's the thing that 327 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: people are struggling to differentiate right now. Sometimes they're just 328 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: that was a little bit off, it dot tipped and 329 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: ended up in the other in the opponent's hands. So 330 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: just working on that, I think we'll cut down that 331 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: and then we'll all I put up more points and 332 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: end up coming away with wins, because let's face it, 333 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: you're a turnover or two away in that game for 334 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: winning that game. Uh, my concern is probably the you're 335 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: passing offense in the red zone. And it's not just 336 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: the turnovers. It's just there's nothing. It's like nothing's coming 337 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: easy at all. And that's the that's the exact opposite 338 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: of what happened last year. It's troubling to me that 339 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: you have one touchdown catch by a wide receiver this season. Uh, 340 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: And I just think everything looks difficult, like even that 341 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: the debated Jarvis Landry touchdown on on Sunday, that was 342 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: a crowded mess, Like that was not like a simple 343 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: easy pitch and catch, and that's not what this was 344 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: supposed to be. When you have guys like Odell Beckham, 345 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: UH and Jarvis Landry. I know you're missing a really 346 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: good red zone target in David Njoku, but it's just 347 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: everything is a struggle once you get inside the fifteen 348 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: yard line. It's almost like it's almost like I'm grimacing 349 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: when you have first and goal at the eight, like 350 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: I don't. It's like, I don't, like, why did you 351 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: feel I don't feel comfortable with that. I It's like 352 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: I need my first and goal to start inside the 353 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: four and then I know you can just run the 354 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: ball with Nick Chubb a few straight times. So it's 355 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: just it's when this team goes four or five wide 356 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: with limited space, it just feels like there's no one's 357 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: getting open. Nothing's It's just it's been a grind and 358 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: I think that's the that's the thing that worries me 359 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,239 Speaker 1: because you do have to throw the ball in those situations. 360 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: You can't just rely on Nick Chubb to run every 361 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: single time. And really, I just can't think of an 362 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: easy pitch and catch we've seen all season at that 363 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: spot in the field. Are we overthinking it? I don't know. 364 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: I just don't know. It's just it is a huge 365 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: head scratch it because of how easy it came to 366 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: us last year. Yeah, I mean, it's just I don't 367 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: it's it's got to be a matter of timing, precision, 368 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: decision making, all of it, and you're just not You're 369 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: just not having the same success throwing the ball in 370 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: that red zone area. And that's that's concerning because you 371 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: have to do that to be able to win. Yeah. 372 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: I think it's the five wides scenario that Drill just 373 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: drew up that we've seen probably too often inside the ten. Uh. 374 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: It limits you because of space, as he said, But 375 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: I mean, all you're gonna get is a bunch of 376 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: different crossers basically. I mean you can get a fade 377 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: to the corner of it. How often. I mean we 378 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: even saw that on Sunday there was a fade on 379 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: third down thrown towards the pylon that really didn't have 380 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: much of a chance. I mean, and in those situations, 381 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: it's obvious that after the fact you're gonna sit back 382 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: and go it just pounded four times from the four 383 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're actually gonna get four yards. But it 384 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: also makes you wonder, well, you know, are you trying 385 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: too hard? I think, are you trying too hard to 386 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: uh to out maneuver your opponent when maybe something simpler 387 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: might end up working. And I think it's a case 388 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: by case basis. You just have to go on feel. 389 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: And I think Freddie is still kind of learning, uh more, 390 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: getting more comfortable for that feel as he continues as 391 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: a head coach. For more on the Brown's offense, namely 392 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: on the Browns offensive line, Nick Shook offensive line defensive 393 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: line extraordinary Slash Expert had a chance to sit down 394 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: with the offensive line coach James Camp and have a listen, 395 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: we're through six games here, um, a little bit of 396 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: up and down season so far, but how has your 397 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 1: position group performed so far? In your opinion? Oh, you know, 398 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: I think there's a there are some things that we 399 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: have to you know, continue to improve on. I think 400 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: they've done a reasonably good job of run blocking, uh 401 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: those things. If if you know, we're progressing in that, 402 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: we certainly have ways to go with that. And you know, 403 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: the protection is usually a component of a lot of 404 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: different things, and we obviously need improve in that area. 405 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm seeing a lot of improvement from 406 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: guys and and things like that. So what about in protection. 407 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's kind of been you know, like 408 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: you said, based on defenses and the fronts that they're 409 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: giving and the pressure that they bring in, the type 410 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: of stunts and everything that they're gonna do. It's been 411 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of a of a different story on 412 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: a week by week basis. But this most recent week 413 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: you faced a pretty solid, you know, a front and 414 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: didn't allow us sack. So what went into that. I 415 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: think that the guys responded very well from the week before, 416 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: and um, you know, we faced a lot of tall 417 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: people for the first time. Everyone was really tall at Frisco, 418 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: and we just gotta have our fundamentals, you know, we 419 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: got we played high with linear people and that's a 420 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: big mistake. And so I think that the it was 421 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: a conscious effort to to make sure that tackles played 422 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: lower longer those a tall Clowney and Ziggy are very 423 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: tall outside and um, I think they responded well and 424 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: then performed better. As a coach, when you're facing a 425 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: longer defensive lines, what are you telling your guys to 426 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: do it in order to keep their hands down and 427 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: keep them from batting passes down? Well, I mean just 428 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: you have to play lower than them, and you can't. 429 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: You can't rise up when you're when you're setting and 430 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: those things. It's just it seems like it's such a 431 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: simple equation, but it's it's it's difficult when you're saying 432 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: numbers and stuff. So you just you work on targeting 433 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: and some of those things to get better. What do 434 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: you want your guys to do with this by week? 435 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: How do you want them to spend it? Um? Where 436 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: do they need to focus on both in the film room, 437 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: on the practice field and then with this break that 438 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: they're gonna get. Yeah, I think it's just like with 439 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: coach said, you know, and I'm sure he is. I 440 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: don't know if he's addressed the meeting with you all yet, 441 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: but he know, you gotta focus on yourself and and 442 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: we have to have, you know, self improvement, self belief 443 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: and and what we're doing and how we're going about 444 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: our business and how we're going to you know, make 445 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: the get the problems corrected. And I'm a firm believer 446 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 1: in that. And I think at the same time, you know, 447 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: when you're they're away from here, when they have their 448 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: three or four days off whatever that is, you know, 449 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: it's easy to say, well, just don't think about football, 450 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: but you know you're going to you know, but you know, 451 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: think about the things that you can control and correct. 452 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: But also you know, it's not a bad thing to 453 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: think of the good things you've done, and so you 454 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: can remember those and we move back into this thing 455 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: full swing when they come back on Monday, to hey, 456 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: we're ready to go. You know, um uh things that 457 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: things are going to get better and we have you 458 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: have to believe that. Speaking of the good things you 459 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: already mentioned earlier, Um, you know they bought for the 460 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: run pretty well, what have you liked about them specifically 461 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: in their own blocking as far as the group our 462 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: group here, Um, you know, I think I think you know, 463 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: we've done it. We've done a pretty good job of 464 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: running blocking that has been stuff that you just go, 465 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, you know, but we've left a lot 466 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: of yards on the on the field there too. But 467 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: I mean that's a whole combination too, because receivers have 468 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: to block the running backs course, I mean the tight 469 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: ends are blocking and you know, schematically it's it's we 470 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: can drop anything, excess nose. But if if any of 471 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: the positions, including the line doesn't aren't fundamentally sound, well 472 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: it's just excess and os. You know, you gotta the 473 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: paper's got to come to life at some point. And 474 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: I think that they're starting to realize, look angles concepts 475 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: of where you're supposed to be and why and why 476 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: is the defensive structure doing this to us? And I 477 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: think that's part of the growth in an offense. Um, 478 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: as far as running the ball is concerned, I think, 479 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, taking that moving forward, we should be better 480 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: moving forward as we move along. Speaking of growth, UM, 481 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: we've seen you into the sixth linemen at times. Justin 482 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: McCray has been that guy. But we've also gotten a 483 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: quick look at the pencil of guy like whyat Tyler playing? Um, 484 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: how do you feel about the guys who are not 485 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: in your starting five? But have the potential to play, Oh, 486 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: I think very much. So that's why we're using them, 487 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: you know. And uh, I mean last week we used seven, 488 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: We used all seven. Did you know that you saw 489 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: that too? Okay, good, no, But I mean we've had 490 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: used seven and we had used them all last week. 491 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: So we obviously trust anyone who's dressing obviously to be 492 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: able to perform at the level wherever they need to be, 493 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and again, being flexible I just 494 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: asked over there, but you know, like like having some 495 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: flexibility you know with Justin and uh why getting him 496 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: up to speed? But that it helps you a ton. 497 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: What kind of a Justin period does a guy like 498 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: that go through when they just get here right before 499 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: the season. Well, you know, I have never had to 500 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: do that. I'm sure it's difficult a little bit, but 501 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: you know, if if you make things it really it 502 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: helps when you have you have to make the other 503 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: people accountable, the players to to help the person because 504 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: we can coach it and everything's fine, but when you're 505 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: out there playing, you better and rely on the guy 506 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: next you say, hey, what concept was that? What am I? 507 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: You know? You know what that terminology? Because a lot 508 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: of it might be a similar play or a concept 509 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: from a different team and they come here, it's just 510 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: a different word. They say, well, it's just a different word. Yeah, 511 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: but it's like a different word. So it's a you know, 512 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: it's not like learning a different language, but in some 513 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: instanes it is. So you have to, um, really rely 514 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: on the people around him when someone gets into it 515 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: has to play on short notice. Do you think, um, 516 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: you know, a week like this or you can kind 517 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 1: of take a little bit off physically can help with 518 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: that kind of process. Oh, I do a lot. Yes, 519 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: I think it helps it. Tone, you take the mental 520 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: aspects of it, clean up your stuff, and when you're away, 521 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, away from here. That's what I mean. It's 522 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: no one everyone likes to say, oh yeah, I'm just 523 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: gonna get away from football, and you're not. I mean, 524 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: you're resting your body, taking a little breaks with your 525 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: head and moving along. You know. But uh, you know, 526 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: you can always mentally go take an hour or two 527 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: and pull out your playbook and see what the story 528 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: is the defensive side. Let's move over to that side 529 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: of the football defensively. Gribble, what have you liked? What 530 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: worries you a little bit through six games of the season. 531 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: I think the thing I like, and this is what 532 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: we'll get to with our conversation at Joe with the 533 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: best thing that they've done is pretty much limited the 534 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: explosive plays in the passing game. You've had some catching 535 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: runs for some big games, but you really haven't let 536 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: them get over the top of you. And that's without 537 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: having to play a safety thirty yards off the ball. UH. 538 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: So they've been good at limiting that, especially considering you've 539 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: been with your backup corners uh ever since week three. 540 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: So I think that's a positive. I think the negative 541 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: right now is you're not forcing enough turnovers. And I 542 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: just think you're the games like the Ravens game, you 543 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: did a good job of that. Uh even the Rams 544 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: game you did that kept you in the game by 545 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: forcing turnovers. You're just not seeing that enough, and I 546 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: think that could be a byproduct of your corners maybe 547 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 1: sagging off and not playing as tight to their man 548 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: because they don't want to get beat down the field. 549 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: So I just think that's that's something that needs to improve, 550 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: uh over these next few weeks, because you've got to 551 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: get some situations where you're setting up your offense with 552 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: some short fields, especially when they're when they're going through 553 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: the issues they are right now. I think we saw 554 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: a good example of of how a turnover can affect 555 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: the game, even though it didn't produce an immediate touchdown. 556 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: The fumble in last week's game ends up you're down 557 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: on onto the goal line and should score a touchdown there, 558 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: and then you could really count the next sequence of 559 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: events as like a quasi turnover because the point that 560 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: you know, you forced out of the back of a 561 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: short end zone, uh, it went out of the twenty four, 562 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: So I mean that's basically where you would have an 563 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: interception if they're trying to throw the ball at the 564 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: end zone anyway, So I count that almost as as 565 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: a turnover, and then you end up scoring off of that. 566 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: So the more you can do that, the more you know, 567 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: the higher chance you have of success. But it's easier 568 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: said than done. What bothers you? What do you like 569 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: the last two weeks? The run defense set needs to 570 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: be better. Um. I think that San Francisco did a 571 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: very good job of blocking up you know their place. 572 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle us Chick is a huge part of 573 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: the offense, and we got hurt, but uh, he was. 574 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: He was probably the most important player not named Jimmy 575 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: Garoppolo in that offense, just because of the many things 576 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: that he does in the passing, in the run game, 577 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: and the way that his block is really the one. 578 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: It's the cherry on top, it's the one that finishes 579 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: the masterpiece and then opens a huge hole for a 580 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: big run. And I think that the Browns were felt 581 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: victim to that a lot, and and they kind of 582 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: talked about it, you know, and in the days that 583 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: followed that they tried to get too cute in matching 584 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: what the Niners were doing instead of sticking to what 585 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: they do and forcing the Niners to adjust accordingly. So, um, 586 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: you know, that was a glaring concern. And then the Seahawks, 587 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't really rip off a ton of 588 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: big plays, but gradually they rushed for a good amount 589 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: of yards last week. So I think you need to 590 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: get better at that. That's what's concerning. But overall, I mean, 591 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: I like the way that this defense has played. You've 592 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: given up thirty plus in the last two games. The 593 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: last game became a shootout and you got drilled in 594 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: time of possession, So your offense isn't doing you any favors. 595 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's a seven minute difference, and you're gonna 596 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: end up gased in situations like that, which is why 597 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't entirely surprised that Russell Wilson led them down 598 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: the field and scored that touchdown at the end of 599 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: the game. But um, overall, I think they've done a 600 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: good job of keeping this team in the game as 601 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: the offenses tried to figure it out. That's what's the 602 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: most encouraging. Also encouraging is the fact that you're gonna 603 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: get denzil Ward and Greedy Williams back and that should 604 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: make your secondary a lot better. And last week was 605 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: the first time that they didn't really play up to par. 606 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: So you get them back, hopefully get stronger in the 607 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: back end. You can limit the total amount of yards 608 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: gained by an opponent, the total amount of points scored, 609 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: and then you get a better chance of winning game. Gribble, Uh, 610 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: do we get to you? Yeah. I don't like that 611 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: they've they've minimized the exposed to plays. I think that's fine, 612 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: and I think that you're you're getting I think you're 613 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: getting what you wanted out of your defensive line to 614 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: an extent with pressuring the passer. It seems like truly 615 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: the games that they've gotten the worst amount of pass rushes, 616 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: these games against these patchwork offensive lines. The Titans game, 617 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: in the Seahawks game, yeah there was, there was. There 618 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: was moments in that Seahawks gamers like there's no one 619 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: even getting close to us. We will saying he's that moving, 620 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: And I think that's so. I'd say the pass rush 621 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: has been a little consistent. It's hard to be great 622 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: every single game, but I think we're I think that 623 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon is taking a lot of undue criticism because 624 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: of the numbers. I think that it's I think he's 625 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: having an impact in the game. I think he he 626 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: had an impact this pass game, and it's the Seahawks. 627 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: I just need to see it all come together and 628 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: really kind of wreck a game with and getting the pastors. 629 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: I think there there could be an opportunity against the Patriots. 630 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think their offensive line is great 631 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: by any means, and Tom doesn't move, So I think 632 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: that that that's there's there's an opportunity to start, you know, 633 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: really getting pin in your ears back and getting after 634 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. Uh. And and that's a Patriots offense that's 635 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: really not playing all that well. They're they're relying on 636 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: their defense. So I think the past russ can be better. 637 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: I still think they've handled the adversity with with the 638 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: amount of injuries they've had pretty well. Uh, but you've 639 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: you've got to be a little bit better than you've 640 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: been this last couple of weeks. I think that the 641 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: Browns have gone through quite a gauntlet defensively, uh, for 642 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: opposing offenses. They've faced pretty much every style of offense 643 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: you could have in these first six games, and they've 644 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: also faced uh, who's who of quarterbacks. I mean you've 645 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: got you know, Russell Wilson last week, the week before 646 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, you faced Jared Goff, you had to deal 647 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: with the many different artistic stylings of Lamar Jackson. Um. 648 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's been a struggle. And yeah, Marcus 649 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: Mariotta has been benched in Tennessee, but he still brought 650 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: that mobility that you had to account for as well. 651 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: The only time you really got a break at quarterbacks 652 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: and you played the Jets. So you know, it's it's 653 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: been a lot to prepare for, and I think they've 654 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: handled it well. I think that Tom Brady is probably 655 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: the least mobile quarterback they're gonna face since Trevor Simeons 656 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: slashed Luke Falk in Week two, and I think they 657 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: could bode well. But uh, you know, numbers wise, it's 658 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: not really you know on oliviavor And and and he's affecting 659 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: the game more than one way. And and the rotational 660 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: guys up front have done well. I mean, Devorah Lawrence 661 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: has played very well, Daniel Quality has done his job 662 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: in spots. I just think it's a matter of playing 663 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: complimentary football for this entire team, which they got close 664 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: to doing on Sunday. They just need to be better 665 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: at for more on the defensive side of the football, 666 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: namely the pass game and the secondary. Joe Witt, the 667 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: past game coordinator and secondary coach, had a chance to 668 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: sit down with Andrew Gribble. Listen, all right, coach, six 669 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: games in, you've had a few moving pieces in the 670 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: secondary because of some injuries. How do you think you 671 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 1: guys have held up through this time? I mean our 672 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: records two and four, so you know, we we did 673 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: good for two games, four games. We didn't do enough. 674 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's about winning. That's what this league is about. 675 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: So you know that's that's all I focus on. How 676 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: do you think the guys responded, especially though with that 677 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: Week three game when you had four starters out? How 678 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: did those guys respond the way you you expected him to? 679 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been in the NFL, I guess going 680 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: on fourteen years now, and the thing that you have 681 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: to understand is everybody has to be ready. I mean, 682 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: all these guys are quality players. Um, we expect the 683 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: next guy to come and perform, uh to a winning performance. 684 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: So I don't get caught up in necessarily who's out there. 685 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: I just got up get caught up in the result. 686 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: The result right now it's two and four, so we 687 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: have to do better. When you watch Denzel ingredient practices 688 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: last few weeks, how how bad they those guys want 689 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: to get back and helping you guys out there. That's 690 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: a great question for them. I don't know. I mean 691 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I can't speak for him. UM, that's something 692 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: you have to ask them. How badly they want to 693 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: get out here? How much could them coming back help 694 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: this secondary out there? You know, like I just said, 695 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's about winning, and so their skill sets 696 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: and lend to that. And they have they have length, 697 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: they have speed, they have some things. But the guys 698 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: that have been out there playing have also had skill 699 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: sets that lead to winning. So once they get back 700 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: out there and if we start winning games, then I 701 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: can say, you know, they were a factor to that 702 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: or not. But other than us winning, I don't want to, 703 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, talk about them coming back or or like 704 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: the men that we have, you know, we're a unit. 705 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: We play as one. We don't put one in person 706 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: above the other. I know it's an emphasis every week, 707 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: every game, but but the focus on takeaways, how much 708 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: does that take? Coming to focus here going the second 709 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: half of the season. We have to do a better 710 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: job of pulling the ball off of people. Um, We've 711 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: had a couple opportunities with the ball in our hands, 712 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: haven't come down with him. Um, that's part of what 713 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: we need to do. How we punched the ball out, 714 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: intercept or whatever you have to do to get it, 715 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: and that's what we need to do. We have to 716 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: do a better job in that area. I've seen Damarius 717 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: and Morgan Burnett in the backfield a lot that's not 718 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: something that Demarius has done here in previous years. But 719 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: what is it about this defense that enables them to 720 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: make plays in the backfield like that? Steve's defense is multiple? 721 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean it since multiple people, Uh, you know the 722 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: maror's had his first two first sat here, you know, 723 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: and and so I believe he has too. I believe 724 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: Morgan has to. Um. You know, white head has a pressure, 725 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: so you have you have a number of different people 726 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: coming and um, and that's that's just a credit to 727 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: Steve Wilkeson and and the defense that that that he 728 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: has installed that guilds multiple people opportunities to get to 729 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback, gets the quarterback a number of different looks. Um. 730 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: I believe That's why I feel I believe we're fourth 731 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: and sex right now. And it's not just coming from 732 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, one group of you know, it's coming from 733 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: a number of different levels, the D line, linebackers and 734 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: the second area. What if you thought of leadership from 735 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: the player's standpoint in that room and you've got some 736 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: veteran guys in there, how how much has that helped 737 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: you guys get through this part of the schedule. Um, 738 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: you know, the leadership is always good. We have quality men, 739 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, t J. Kerry, Jermaine white Head, Morgan Burnett, 740 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: those guys have done a great job of you know, 741 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: Eric Murray. They have done just a great job of 742 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: taking the young guys and and and teaching them what 743 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: it is to be a pro um, how to work 744 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: out of practice. And now we just have to you know, 745 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: translate that to wins. You to relationship with Jermaine white 746 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: Head before coming here, how is he sees this opportunity 747 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: so far and what's been kind of maybe his most 748 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: opportunity had as a pro um. I mean, Jermaine is 749 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: a pro. He's a good football player. Um, he's very 750 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: smart and you know he helps everybody around him. So 751 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised at all. I've been pleased with Jermaine. 752 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: And then as a coach, what do you do during 753 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: this bye week with your guys when you're maybe not 754 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: looking forward to an opponent just yet. How how do 755 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: you do this the scalf self scout and get your 756 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: guys better? Um, we just right now we're focusing on 757 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: what we've done good and what we've done bad. Where 758 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: do we need to improve? And so that's that's what 759 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: we that's really what we're focused on on us. You know, 760 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: he's individual player and as a group. And then point 761 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: of one thing you may be done good and one 762 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: thing you really want to see get better over the 763 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 1: second half. Um, you know, exposed passes. We haven't really 764 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: given up many. Um you know the ones that we 765 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: have given up and may have been catch a run element. 766 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: And then um, you know like we got many fourth 767 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: more turnovers. You know, we have to do better job 768 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: in that area. All right, let's get a quick thought 769 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: from both of you on on the special teams and 770 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: Mike Preef for maybe the maybe the best unit so 771 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: far through six games on this football team. And who 772 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: would have fuck it with two rookie kickers when we 773 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: first when we gribble, when you and I sat in 774 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: this room on cutdown day and just and said, all right, 775 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,919 Speaker 1: we're gonna go with two rookie kickers. Buckle up, let's 776 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: see what we guess. Yeah, they've been they've been better 777 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: than I think we could ever imagine. And I think 778 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: that they've been find met upon block this past week. 779 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: It didn't really get you beat. That's the key thing. 780 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: I think. I don't know special teams hast necessarily won 781 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: you a game. Yet, I mean, you can make the 782 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: argument that even though you were going to win that 783 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: game no matter what, special teams really had an impact 784 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: on that Jets game. I mean, they put the Jets 785 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: in field position that that whole game. But but they haven't. 786 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: They certainly have not lost you a game this season. 787 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: You've missed a couple extra points at home, but otherwise 788 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 1: been really good on field goals. I don't think there's 789 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: any uh lack of trust and your kicker right now, 790 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: which is a major sign of improvement for this team 791 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: over the last few years. Uh And Jamie Gillen has 792 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: it in him to truly flip the field, which he 793 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: did on Sunday with his one punt that he was 794 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: able to get off. Uh And and your overall, you're 795 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: you're covering punts and kicks as well as you have 796 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: in years. So it's really a testament to coaching. Uh 797 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: and and I think that buy in from some of 798 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 1: these players. And I also think it compared to past years. 799 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: I this is purely anecdotal and them just throwings out there. 800 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: You haven't had the same roster churn at the bottom 801 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: of your roster this year. You've had about the same 802 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: guys out there all year, and I think that's had 803 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 1: a big impent or something. Cohesivenists can go a long way. Uh. 804 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: First off, Jamie Gillen is UH a dream for a 805 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: guy like Jim Trussell, for example. He's like, it's like 806 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: his his greatest dream ever. Woke up from the next 807 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 1: day He's like, oh my god, I have a punter 808 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: who could send it a net of sixty to seventy yards, 809 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, once or twice a game and really put 810 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: you help you win the field position battle, which I 811 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,439 Speaker 1: think has really helped the Browns more through the first 812 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: six games. And I think we realized if you went 813 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: back and really looked at you, like, wow, you know 814 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: that that punt put them in much better position, you'd 815 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: see how much he's impacting the game. But yeah, you know, 816 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: I think the one thing that was missing until this 817 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: last game was the return game that you know, they're 818 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: really teams had done well of covering UH punts, especially 819 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: with Jarvis Landry back there returning punts and the one 820 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: time Odell Beckham returned to punt, and and they're recovering 821 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: kicks as well. And then you finally got a spark 822 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: on the first, uh you know, opening play of a game, 823 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: and it produced seven points basically because he scored three 824 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: plays later. So the more you can do that, obviously 825 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: is gonna bode well for your team. But it was 826 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: encouraging to see that they have the capability of doing that, 827 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: which they haven't done so far. But they've been lights 828 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: out everywhere else. Be honest, how much how long did 829 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: you guys look at the field to try to find 830 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: a flag on that? Don Hill I was looking everywhere. 831 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: I like, if you go back and look at the 832 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: Jim Donovan clip, because we have the camera in the booth, 833 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 1: I'm not looking at the play's and you're looking this way. 834 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: It was the same thing on the Chub touchdown. That's 835 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: not just a reflection of our history. It's more a 836 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: reflection of how hard it is to return a kick 837 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Man, It's just it's you just don't 838 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: see plays like that anymore. I think that's a reason 839 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: why Doncharle I think he leads the league and kickoff 840 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: return yards because of that one play, and and to 841 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: think if he hadn't stumbled an open field, he probably 842 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: would have scored maybe and crazy thing was the Bengals 843 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: return to kick at the exact same time for a touchdown. 844 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 1: The f C North was was figuring things out returning 845 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: kicks at the exact same sential teams Division of the year. Perfect. 846 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: I'll go with that, all right. Let's get a few 847 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: awards in here real quick, just some accolades were six 848 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: games in again, as Dorsey said yesterday, there's a ton 849 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: of football left to be played through six games though. 850 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: Outstanding Offensive Player Gribble, We'll start with you. It's an 851 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: easy one where I was gonna go with the same thing. 852 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I just knew he was going first, so 853 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: he'd get the credit for it. All right, Well, I'll 854 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: give you no. It's fine because it's obvious. There's no 855 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: there's no question, there's no argument, there's no debate. Al Right. 856 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: Is the runner up Jarvis Landry? Yeah, I would say so. 857 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: I think he's done. Could you? I was leaning on 858 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: you to maybe pick a guy like Joel Ptonio, but 859 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: I don't know enough to say that if he's been. 860 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of Nick Chub's big players have 861 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,479 Speaker 1: been a product of of solid run blocking, Cheryl Brown 862 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: and Demetriz Harris doing a really good job on the edge, 863 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: and also Nick Chub having excellent vision and being a 864 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: very decisive and explosive runner. So I'll hold I'll say 865 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: that I think it is Jarvis Landry. I I think 866 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 1: he provided an emotional boost in the win over Baltimore 867 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: with his performance and his attitude in the way he 868 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: carries himself during a game him, I think he's probably 869 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: gonna have to be even more vocal of a leader 870 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: than he is at this point, um, but I think 871 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: he sets the example with the way that he carries himself, 872 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: and I hopefully the rest of the team can kind 873 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: of embody his spirit, because if they can, they're going 874 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: to come out of the gate like gangbusters and run 875 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: off some wins and and make a lot of people happy. 876 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: I think I think O'Dell and Jarvis has been about 877 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: equal because I think they've both been a little hot 878 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: cold in some of these games. And that's not really 879 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: afflection on their personal play, but just how the game 880 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: has worked. I mean, Jarvis had the one big game 881 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: against Baltimore, O'Dell had has had two big games. It's 882 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: been kind of a mix of both. You really haven't 883 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: gotten both of them going at the same time. I 884 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: don't know if you really can. I mean, the only 885 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: team that seems to get two receivers going at the 886 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: same time as Tampa, And do you really want to 887 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: be like Tampa? That's not I mean, that's not it's 888 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 1: it's more of a fantasy football thing than it is 889 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: a winning football thing. When you get both receivers in 890 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: these high numbers, that means you're probably playing from behind. 891 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: Usually it's going to be one or the other, and 892 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: I think that's the way it's been so far this season. 893 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 1: I think I think the advantage in having those guys 894 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: is not that you want each of them to go 895 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: for you know, eight for one fifty and two touchdowns 896 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: each and put up fifty points. It's that they have 897 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: the potential for either of them to do it, because 898 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: it just makes game planning for your offense so much 899 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: more difficult for a defense and then opens up so 900 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: much more. I mean, on Ricky Seiels Jones touchdown against 901 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: the Seahawks last week, O'Dell ran two guys off him. 902 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: I mean he ran, he had a man on him, 903 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: and he ran him to the to the goal post, 904 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,479 Speaker 1: and then there was a safety who was trailing Ricky 905 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: across the field who might have had deep third responsibility. 906 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: Saw O'Dell running that way. Took two steps, which would 907 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: be basically be east, but if you're looking north south, 908 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: and the Philly went north toward the goal post, and 909 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: that was all the space that was needed not only 910 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: for Ricky to catch the ball, but then to go 911 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: in untouched because by the time that defender recovered, there 912 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: was no way he was catching him before the end zone. 913 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: So that's the impact of a guy like O'Dell has. 914 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: Jarvis can have that same impact if he's been going off, 915 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: and I think that's where the real danger lies. And 916 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,959 Speaker 1: you just hope that, you know, it starts to strain 917 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: together some wins. I'll start with you outstanding defensive player 918 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: through six games, you know. I mean, Miles is the 919 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: easy pick here because he's kind of he's tied for 920 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: the league lead in sacks nine, but I'm gonna go 921 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: with Joe schobert Um because he's just been a very reliable, 922 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: uh quarterback of this defense. I think he's helped Mack 923 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: Wilson get acclimated more than people might realize after the 924 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: loss of Christian Kirksey, and he's had some really good games. Statistically, 925 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: I mean the Jets game, what did you come away 926 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: with like sixteen tackles or something like that. Yeah, I 927 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: mean that's that's crazy to think of it. And he's 928 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: been there to recover some timely fumbles and make some 929 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: plays and and he's been i think a good, uh 930 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: pacemaker for this entire defense. So while there are other 931 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: players who are making a bigger contribution, maybe statistically or 932 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: maybe when you think back to a game, I think 933 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: known as more steady than Josh Obert. Right now, I'll 934 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 1: go with the easy answer. It's he has nine sacks. 935 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: Somehow gets taken for granted, especially about one fan earlier 936 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: this week. Uh, you know, it's just it's that's a 937 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: historic pace. It's crazy that both him and Jack Barrett 938 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: have nine sacks. I mean they're on pace to potentially 939 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: break the NFL record this season. I mean they're that 940 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: that's really good. He's gonna shatter the bronze record this 941 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: season if he can stay healthy and stay on the 942 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: field all sixteen games. Uh, he's been really good. And 943 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: the fact that he can have a game where he 944 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: this past degree at two sacks and everyone's like I'm 945 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: talking about man He's just been really, really good. He's 946 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: only had one game where he didn't get a sack, 947 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: and that was in San Francisco. He's having a consistent 948 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 1: impact on the game. Uh, and he's one of the 949 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: NFL's best pass rushers, if not the best right now. 950 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: We had a question during the whip before last game, 951 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: what can he do to elevate himself to a serious 952 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: consideration for NFL Defensive Player of the Year. And I 953 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: think the only thing that he can do more than 954 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: he's doing right now is to affect the game so 955 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: much that you have to account for him on every 956 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: single play. And I think he makes he'll you know, 957 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: he'll make those tackles against the run, but it's to 958 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 1: the point where you have to account for multiple blockers 959 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: even and try to run away from him. And I 960 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: think he's almost there. It's not quite there yet, but 961 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 1: he's almost there. He's definitely there in the passing game. 962 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: And I think once he gets to that point, that's 963 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: when you're really gonna start hearing about him outside of 964 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: just the Cleveland area. Alright, newcomer, award, free agent or 965 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 1: draft deed. That's the biggest impact through six games. Gribble 966 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: we'll start with you. I'll go with Ricky Seals Jones, 967 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: the team leader in touchdown catches right now with two 968 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: if you had that congratulation, I think there have been 969 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: better players. But I think he's been thrust into a 970 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: role that he might not have expected and now he's 971 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: helped he's your number one tight end, and he was 972 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: a waiver claim before the start of the season, and 973 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: I think he's given you He doesn't have kind of 974 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: the same crazy athleticism that David Joko has, but right now, 975 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: now that he's in the flow of the offense and 976 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: getting up to upwards of near fifty snaps a game, 977 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: he's given you what you need out of that position 978 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: and a real pass catching thread at tight end that 979 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: is complimented nicely with Farrell Brown, who continues to grow 980 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: as a blocking tight end. I think he's been He's 981 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: filled the void nicely and I think he's everything you 982 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: need until the joke is ready to come back. I've 983 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: actually I've been very blown away by Farrell Brown's improvement 984 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: as a blocker and just the way like it's actually 985 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: starting to stand out on on the tape two, which 986 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: is remarkable to consider when when we thought, you know, 987 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: in training camp he might have been a bubble guy. 988 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: And now I think he's an important part of this 989 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: offense as both a fullback and a tight end or 990 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: an h back, whatever you wanna call him. Uh. My 991 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: answer this question though, is I'm gonna stick with defensive 992 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: tackle Sheldon Richardson, who has not appeared in the sack category. 993 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: He's had a couple of sacks stolen from him, definitely 994 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,879 Speaker 1: had a half sacks stolen from him on We'll give 995 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: it to my Yeah, he will, he will tell He'll 996 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: tell you three times, we'll give it to Miles. But 997 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,479 Speaker 1: he was definitely in on that sack. Um. But he's 998 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: he's affected the game. He he has been somebody that 999 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,399 Speaker 1: you've had to account for when considering the B gap 1000 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: or the A gap and uh and he's even moved 1001 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: around well. I mean he ended up rushing as a 1002 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 1: wide nine on the play that was a strip sack 1003 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 1: of Jared Goff and resulted in, you know, turnover, a 1004 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 1: key turnover and take away for the Browns in that 1005 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,800 Speaker 1: Week three game. Um, and he's I mean, if you 1006 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: see him, you wouldn't expect him to be coming off 1007 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: the edge. But that's how athletic he is and how 1008 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 1: much he can affect the game. So I think he's 1009 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 1: done a good job of plugging up the gap and 1010 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: also being someone who can take on two blockers and 1011 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: still make an impact, which he can be said about 1012 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,879 Speaker 1: all those tackles. Has freed up the other guys. Larry 1013 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: has benefited from it. Larry Ogun Joey has benefited from it. 1014 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: Miles and Olivia Von have also benefited from it. So 1015 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: I think he was If you thought about your defensive Vin, 1016 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: I thought, where are we missing a piece? He has 1017 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: filled that spot extremely well, even if it doesn't show 1018 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: up statistically. Finally, guys, Uh Finals final thoughts. Keys, if 1019 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 1: the Browns are gonna turn this around. At two and four, 1020 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: there's ten games left. If the Browns are gonna make 1021 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 1: a playoff run, I'm not gonna say get to the playoffs. 1022 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,399 Speaker 1: The Browns can control a lot of this stuff. What's 1023 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: the biggest key to getting this team back on track, 1024 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: getting him above five and having Uh having the kind 1025 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: of year that we all thought at the beginning of 1026 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: the year that they were capable of having. I'm gonna 1027 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: throw the number fifty percent out there. If you drop 1028 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: your turnovers and penalties by I think you can get 1029 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. I think it's as simple as that. 1030 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: That's what's holding this team back, both offensively and defensively, 1031 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: because I think even the defense doesn't escape the blame 1032 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: with the with the penalties. Their penalties have been untimely 1033 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: and truly, I again, I'm throwing this completely off my 1034 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: top my head. It seems like whenever there's a drive 1035 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,319 Speaker 1: on defense where they have a penalty, they're given up 1036 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: points Like they just aren't able to overcome these penalties 1037 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: on defense, and uh, their their backbreakers. And I think 1038 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 1: that you're still gonna commit penalties that's a byproduct being 1039 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,320 Speaker 1: an aggressive team. Uh, if you just cut those in 1040 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: half so you're not the league leader anymore and both 1041 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: penalties and penalty yards. Cut the turnovers and half, which 1042 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: I think is more likely than cutting the penalties in half, 1043 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: that gets you in a better position. You're gonna win 1044 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,920 Speaker 1: some of these games that you lost earlier. Yeah, I 1045 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: think the turnout well, actually, you know, it's funny. Logically 1046 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: you would think that the penalties are more controllable, but 1047 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: then sometimes you find yourself in instances like Sunday where 1048 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: you think you make a good block in the open 1049 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: field and you get flag for it. So it's not 1050 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: always that simple, right, but I will say that, uh, 1051 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: it's I would like to know if the numbers bear 1052 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: that out what you said, because it seems like every 1053 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,760 Speaker 1: time that they make and it's especially the catastrophic penalties, 1054 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 1: the fifteen yarders are the ones that are result automatic 1055 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 1: first downs, especially on the third down when you're this 1056 00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: close to getting off the field and getting your offense 1057 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: to the ball back. And I think that's true for anybody, 1058 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 1: but it seems to be especially true for this team. 1059 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: I would I want to know what the the average 1060 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: number of penalties per game is. I don't know if 1061 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,439 Speaker 1: what it is off the top of my head because 1062 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: it's a little bit skewed with the amount of penalties 1063 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: you had in Week one, but I would imagine that 1064 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: it's near the league lead. So if you can, like 1065 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: Ribble said, if you can cut that in in half, 1066 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: I think that would greatly improve your chances the games 1067 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: which the Browns of one, they have been low and penalties, 1068 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a basic formula of how to 1069 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 1: win games. But I think the turnovers thing is is 1070 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: more perhaps even more controllable. But you also have to 1071 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: take a certain amount of risk to find success in 1072 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: this league. So you know, is that going to come down? 1073 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: We'll see. Um, I think it's it's more just consistency 1074 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,840 Speaker 1: and you founded on defense. You lost a little bit 1075 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,840 Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks. I think some of 1076 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: that was a product of being on the field too much. 1077 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: Last week. Um, you just got punched right in the 1078 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: mouth in San Francisco and did not recover. But you 1079 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: need to be more consistent on both sides of the football. 1080 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,320 Speaker 1: I think again, the emphasis is on playing complimentary football, 1081 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: and I think right now two of the three phases 1082 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: are doing their job, and I think that the offensive 1083 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,759 Speaker 1: phase needs to step it up. And I think that 1084 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: you'll get on that track as long as you know, 1085 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,800 Speaker 1: you take advantage of this week and come out strong, 1086 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: because I think that's going to be important at two 1087 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 1: and four. It's the world is not over. You know, 1088 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: you said, I'm not gonna, you know, say about making 1089 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs. We'll talk about it. That's the goal. Let's 1090 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: talk about making the playoffs. What can they do to 1091 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,800 Speaker 1: make the playoffs? Move the football consistently, give your defense 1092 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: a chance to not be on the field all afternoon 1093 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,759 Speaker 1: and grab another lead early and this time hang on. 1094 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,279 Speaker 1: Final thoughts anybody else with anything quick before we get 1095 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: out of here and go enjoy a three day weekend. 1096 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 1: I think if you win four yr five division games 1097 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: during the playoffs, that's that's the key though, right, because 1098 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: you have played no division uponents except Baltimore, and you're 1099 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: one to own the division right now. Four more you 1100 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: lose one division game, you lose one more out of 1101 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: the division. That's ten and six. You're yeah, it's a 1102 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: tall ask in the larger picture, but if you take it, 1103 00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 1: one of the one of the four has to be 1104 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: against Baltimore. Yes, that out there. You cannot die with 1105 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: them and make the playoffs. You have to sweep them, 1106 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 1: no pressure. Good news. They come to our place for Christmas, 1107 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 1: so that'll be good. That would be a heck of 1108 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: a gift. Yeah, indeed, all right, We hope you enjoy 1109 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: your bye week. 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