WEBVTT - Did My Mother See Me? [3]

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you never know what to expect, to expect the unexpected,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. I mean, you never know what time you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be called out for an assignment. It could

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<v Speaker 2>be during the day, it could be in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night. Typically, if you're working day shift or

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<v Speaker 2>second shift, you would just go ahead and work whatever's

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<v Speaker 2>on your caseload. But I remember getting a call. It

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<v Speaker 2>was towards morning. It came over as what we call

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<v Speaker 2>the signal seven eighty one that was a death. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a warm morning and it was pretty dry. When

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<v Speaker 2>I got there, I guess there was a crowd starting

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<v Speaker 2>to come out arriving on a scene. I was directed

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<v Speaker 2>to where this child was laying on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>the road and just making more observations whatever I could

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<v Speaker 2>detect at the scene, which wasn't very much at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>It appeared that she was probably either dragged out of

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<v Speaker 2>the car or thrown out of the car, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just called our ID section and they responded and did

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<v Speaker 2>what they do typically taking pictures and if there's anything

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<v Speaker 2>else at this area. I mean, there was no fingerprints

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<v Speaker 2>to be taken or anything like that, look for tire tracks,

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<v Speaker 2>so there was really nothing to look for except the

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<v Speaker 2>deceased person. Everything happened so quick and just the type

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<v Speaker 2>of crime it was, in the place where it happened

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. I'm sure this happened at someplace house, but

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<v Speaker 2>she was merely dumped in that area another one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>feet it probably would have been in DC, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't add any involvement at all.

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<v Speaker 3>The homicide detectives termed the cases the little girl case.

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<v Speaker 2>This child was laying on the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't go no way, I would call up my house.

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<v Speaker 2>Those first five murderers should have been a huge warning

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<v Speaker 2>bell for the police.

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<v Speaker 5>We just want to know what happened.

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<v Speaker 6>This person must have saw that.

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<v Speaker 3>They were thinking that maybe it's just one person and

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<v Speaker 3>he says, they need to know this is me.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that they would catch him. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a matter of time.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Celeste Headley, and this is Freeway Phantom. The Freeway

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<v Speaker 5>Phantom had already claimed two victims, Carol Spinks and Derlinia Johnson.

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<v Speaker 5>Although Carolyn Darlinia's bodies were dumped fifteen feet from each

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<v Speaker 5>other and were killed the same way, law enforcements still

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<v Speaker 5>hadn't linked the two murders. They'd asked a potential suspect

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<v Speaker 5>in Darlinia's death if he knew Carol Spinks. He didn't,

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<v Speaker 5>so the two murders were still being treated as individual cases.

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<v Speaker 5>But on July twenty seventh, nineteen seventy one, eight days

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<v Speaker 5>after Darlinia's decomposed body was found, the Freeway Phantom's third

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<v Speaker 5>victim would be discovered.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember how she was clad. I remember how she

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<v Speaker 2>was dressed. I remember she had some pink rollers in

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<v Speaker 2>her hair, and she had just a little outfit on

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<v Speaker 2>a little top. But it was it seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>it was a matching outfit. There wasn't really that much

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<v Speaker 2>to see there far as she was concerned. I just

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<v Speaker 2>wrapped her hands in baggies and called for a corner

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<v Speaker 2>to go ahead and transport her or was an ambulance.

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<v Speaker 2>I should say this is.

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<v Speaker 5>A retired detective Hillary Zuklowski, who we heard from at

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<v Speaker 5>the top of this episode. He was one of the

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<v Speaker 5>first to arrive at the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 2>We weren't there very long because there really wasn't much

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<v Speaker 2>evidence together, maybe an hour. I don't think they shut

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<v Speaker 2>down the roads or anything like that because the manner

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<v Speaker 2>of the way she was dumped on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>the road.

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<v Speaker 5>Brenda Crockett was four and a half feet tall and

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<v Speaker 5>weighed only seventy five pounds. She was the youngest victim

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<v Speaker 5>of the Freeway Phantom, and like Carol Spinks and de

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<v Speaker 5>Linia Johnson, she was discovered right off a busy highway.

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<v Speaker 4>She was a child of God. She loved church. She

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<v Speaker 4>was going to refrigerate it eat raw bacon, but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the pigs were better back then. She had a dimple

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<v Speaker 4>up here in her cheek. She loved bacon and she

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<v Speaker 4>loved the Lord at ten years old, but I do

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<v Speaker 4>remember that I looked up to her that as she

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<v Speaker 4>was cute. My name is Berta Crockett and I am

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<v Speaker 4>the youngest sibling of my family. Brenda was my oldest sister.

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<v Speaker 4>She was four years older. I have a twin brother

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<v Speaker 4>who is deceased now, and we had an older brother.

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<v Speaker 4>We lived on to ours place. It was a beautiful

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<v Speaker 4>community to be honest. As a child, we did everything.

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<v Speaker 4>We had the fire hydrants out in the summertime. We

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<v Speaker 4>had arts and craft. We had a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Because one of the gentlemen that lived in the area,

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<v Speaker 4>he worked for the Department of Rets, so he bought

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<v Speaker 4>all of this activity to our street and we were

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<v Speaker 4>like like a one way street.

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<v Speaker 5>Brenda lived with her family in Northwest Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 5>Which was a crosstown from the first two murders. Like

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<v Speaker 5>the neighborhoods where Carol Spinks and Delinia Johnson lived, it

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<v Speaker 5>was tight knit. I briefly visited her neighborhood and found

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<v Speaker 5>where Brenda's house used to be. So we're standing in

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<v Speaker 5>front of the house where Brenda Crockett lived. She would

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<v Speaker 5>have stepped down this step uh to leave her house

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<v Speaker 5>for the last time. We see again this quiet I

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<v Speaker 5>would call it a sweet residential street. And she walked

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<v Speaker 5>just a few blocks. The blocks it's five blocks, but

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<v Speaker 5>The blocks here are quite small. This is not a

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<v Speaker 5>New York block. And she walked just a short way

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<v Speaker 5>to the Safeway and bought what she needed to buy

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<v Speaker 5>and never came home again. How someone can snatch a

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<v Speaker 5>little girl off the street like that, I mean, this

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<v Speaker 5>is not like where Carol Spinks and Derlinia we're living.

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<v Speaker 5>We do not see aunties on the porch. But that

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<v Speaker 5>could also be because the the Gude neighborhood is obviously

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<v Speaker 5>flipped over. This is not a majority black neighborhood anymore. Still,

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<v Speaker 5>leading up to Brenda's murder, fear hadn't infiltrated this community.

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<v Speaker 5>It could be that Carolyn Delini's murders hadn't been connected,

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<v Speaker 5>or that they happened too far away for anyone here

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<v Speaker 5>to notice. Whatever the reason, people here had yet to

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<v Speaker 5>realize that there was a killer targeting young girls. If

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<v Speaker 5>they had, things might have gone differently. It was neighborhood

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<v Speaker 5>movie night on Main Street when Brenda headed to the store.

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<v Speaker 4>All the kids in the neighborhood could watch movies on

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<v Speaker 4>the screen. So in the summertime, you remember, it was

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<v Speaker 4>daylight until about nine o'clock PM. So my mom, my sister,

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<v Speaker 4>being older the store that she went to was literally

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<v Speaker 4>two blocks around the corner and two blocks down the street,

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<v Speaker 4>and because she didn't come back by the time it

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<v Speaker 4>was turning dark, my mom went looking for her because

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<v Speaker 4>we were getting ready to watch the movies on the

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<v Speaker 4>big screen.

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<v Speaker 5>Brenda wore a white and blue plaid halter top with

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<v Speaker 5>matching shorts and had pink rollers in her freshly pressed hair.

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<v Speaker 5>A witness said Brenda had been barefoot. She was headed

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<v Speaker 5>to buy food for Ringo, Rex and Romeo, the family's

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<v Speaker 5>three dogs, along with bread and typing paper.

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<v Speaker 4>When my sister didn't return from the grocery store, my

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<v Speaker 4>mom didn't realize that no one had went with her,

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<v Speaker 4>and so after she didn't come back, because it should

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<v Speaker 4>have been literally a half hour forty five minutes, my

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<v Speaker 4>mom went looking for her and she didn't find her.

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<v Speaker 4>My sister didn't return.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's what Reetha Crockett, Brenda's mother, told the police about

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<v Speaker 5>the night Brenda went missing, as read by a voice actor.

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<v Speaker 7>I sent my daughter to People's drug store to get

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<v Speaker 7>type in paper, also to the Safeway store located at

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<v Speaker 7>fourteenth and U Street's northwest to get some dog food.

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<v Speaker 7>This was about eight o'clock. After a while, she didn't return,

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<v Speaker 7>so I looked at the door for her. I thought

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<v Speaker 7>she went to the store with her brother and sister

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<v Speaker 7>and a friend, like she always does. I went outside

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<v Speaker 7>and it was starting to get dark. I found my

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<v Speaker 7>other two children, Benjamin and Bertha, and asked them if

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<v Speaker 7>they had seen Brendan, and they said no. All three

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<v Speaker 7>of us watched the corner of thirteenth in w streets

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<v Speaker 7>to look for I told Benjamin to return to the

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<v Speaker 7>house to lock the door, and when he didn't return,

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<v Speaker 7>I sent Bertha to get him. She came back and

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<v Speaker 7>said he was going to stay and watch the street movie.

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<v Speaker 7>She said he don't want to go. Mamma, Can I

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<v Speaker 7>stay too? So I said yes. I walked down the

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<v Speaker 7>safeway and it was closed and there were some boys

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<v Speaker 7>sitting outside, and went back home to see you she there,

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<v Speaker 7>but she wasn't. I then asked my neighbor, missed A. Bundy,

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<v Speaker 7>if he had seen her, and he said no. I

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<v Speaker 7>walked back to fourteenth Street, where I seen a police

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<v Speaker 7>car and asked him what to do when your daughter

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<v Speaker 7>goes missing. They told me to stand on the corner

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<v Speaker 7>that they were out at their area. And that they

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<v Speaker 7>would have another policeman come and take a missing person report.

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<v Speaker 7>I was stand there, I see mister Bundy walking out

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<v Speaker 7>Seventh Street, so I ran across the street, thinking she

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<v Speaker 7>had come home. Mister Buddy said she was not home,

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<v Speaker 7>but she called.

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<v Speaker 5>At around nine twenty that night, the phone at Brenda's

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<v Speaker 5>house rang, and Bertha answered.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm in Virginia in a white man's house.

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<v Speaker 9>The witness came a car and cured me.

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<v Speaker 8>To his house. My mother see me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm seven years old. I remember it like it was yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>So my sister was ten years old. She was old

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<v Speaker 4>enough and wise enough to remember our home number at

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<v Speaker 4>that time. She called home and she said that somebody

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<v Speaker 4>had picked her up and took her to Virginia. They

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<v Speaker 4>were going to send her home in a cab. And

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<v Speaker 4>I answered the phone the first time. I'm too young

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<v Speaker 4>to even understand what's really going on. So that call

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<v Speaker 4>went out, and then the next call came in. My

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<v Speaker 4>mom's fiance at the time, who became my mom's husband,

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<v Speaker 4>answered the next call and he said, well, Brenda, if

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<v Speaker 4>you tell me where you are, come and get you.

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<v Speaker 4>She says, I'm in Virginia. This man picked me up

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<v Speaker 4>and took me to He's going to put me in

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<v Speaker 4>a cab and send me home. She's ten years old.

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<v Speaker 4>At the same time, my mom went looking for her,

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<v Speaker 4>and she was asking my stepfather me or whoever at

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<v Speaker 4>that time did my mom see me? Which led us

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<v Speaker 4>to believe that whoever captured her had her in a

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<v Speaker 4>vehicle or some sort and saw my mom looking for her.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was that Mama is out looking for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Where are you? That's my thought, Dan, even now to

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<v Speaker 4>this day, I look at the scenario of where from

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<v Speaker 4>DC from where we grew up to Maryland to Virginia,

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<v Speaker 4>because like, we grew up at twelfth Street Northwest, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I work at twelfth Street Southwest and then right

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<v Speaker 4>around the corner, you just hit that bridge and you're

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<v Speaker 4>at Virginia. So I'm like, was she really familiar with

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<v Speaker 4>where she was going? Did she see a sign that

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<v Speaker 4>says she was going to Virginia? You know, It's like

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<v Speaker 4>all of the questions in my head. I got the

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<v Speaker 4>impression that she was a little frightened, that she was

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<v Speaker 4>like just thinking as whoever it was was gonna put

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<v Speaker 4>her in a cab and send her back home. She

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<v Speaker 4>said I'm in Virginia and he's gonna put me in

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<v Speaker 4>a cabin send me back home.

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<v Speaker 5>This was new. This was a complete change from the

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<v Speaker 5>Freeway Phantom's mo Although there had been reports of him

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<v Speaker 5>calling the families of the first two victims, this is

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<v Speaker 5>the only confirmed contact. What makes this even more strange

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<v Speaker 5>is that Brenda didn't call once, but twice. Theodore Caldwell

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<v Speaker 5>was raythist fiance. In his statement, Caldwell said he met

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<v Speaker 5>Bertha coming up the street. This was right after Brenda

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<v Speaker 5>had called the first time, so Caldwell was aware Brenda

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<v Speaker 5>had said a white man took her to Virginia. When

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<v Speaker 5>Brenda called again around nine forty five, Caldwell picked up

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<v Speaker 5>the receiver. This is a voice actor reading his statement.

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<v Speaker 10>Brenda said, mister Ted, I say, yes, Brenda, are you

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<v Speaker 10>at She said, I'm in Virginia and a white man's house.

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<v Speaker 10>I asked how she got over there. She said the

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<v Speaker 10>white man put her in the car and carried her

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<v Speaker 10>over to his house. I asked her, is there anyone

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<v Speaker 10>there besides you and the man? She said no. I

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<v Speaker 10>told her tell him to come to the phone and

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<v Speaker 10>tell me where you're at, and I'll come pick you up,

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<v Speaker 10>and she said, did my mother see me? I said no,

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<v Speaker 10>how could she see you when you're in Virginia asked

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<v Speaker 10>her again, tell the man to come to the phone.

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<v Speaker 10>I heard someone walk in Heaven. She said, really low,

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<v Speaker 10>I'll see you, and someone just cut the phone.

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<v Speaker 5>There's no definite reason why Brenda went to the store

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<v Speaker 5>alone that night. Eartha thinks it could be because it

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<v Speaker 5>was only two blocks from where they lived at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>and the fact it didn't get dark until nine pm.

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<v Speaker 5>But there was another person to see Brenda before she disappeared.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's how one investigator described their interview with a witness

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<v Speaker 5>named Paulette Johnson.

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<v Speaker 11>Missus Johnson was asked if she could recall the night

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<v Speaker 11>of July twenty eighth, nineteen seventy one, and the incident

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<v Speaker 11>involving Brenda Faye Crockett. Missus Johnson stated she was well

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<v Speaker 11>aware of that evening and the night, and that she

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<v Speaker 11>had become acquainted with the victim, Brenda Crockett, prior to

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<v Speaker 11>her abduction on that night. Missus Johnson stated that at

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<v Speaker 11>approximately eight forty five to nine pm on the night

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<v Speaker 11>of July twenty eighth, nineteen seventy one, She was walking

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<v Speaker 11>from the quarner of Fourteenth and U Street northwest, heading

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<v Speaker 11>south on the east side of fourteenth Street, near the

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<v Speaker 11>Safeway store. Just as she approached the Safeway store, Brenda

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<v Speaker 11>Crockett walked around beside her and passed just in front

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<v Speaker 11>of her, heading toward the door of the Safeway store.

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<v Speaker 11>Missus Johnson stated she knew Brenda Crockett by sight because

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<v Speaker 11>the Crockett Girl's father works for one of her boyfriends,

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<v Speaker 11>and she recalled that Brenda had been to her daughter's

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<v Speaker 11>birthday party a few days before this incident. Missus Johnson

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<v Speaker 11>stated that it was her opinion that Brenda Crockett could

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<v Speaker 11>not have been taken from in front of the Safeway

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<v Speaker 11>store by force without someone seeing and observing the incident.

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<v Speaker 11>She stated that as she turned the corner on Wallick Place,

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<v Speaker 11>she lost sight of the Crockett girl, and shortly thereafter

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<v Speaker 11>when she returned, she did not see her in front

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<v Speaker 11>of the store. She stated that the time elapsing after

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<v Speaker 11>she last saw the Crockett girl and when she returned

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<v Speaker 11>to in front of the Safeway store was approximately five minutes.

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<v Speaker 5>If missus Johnson's timing was accurate, this means Brenda was

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<v Speaker 5>kidnapped within a five minute window. This means missus Johnson

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<v Speaker 5>could possibly be the last person to see Brenda alive

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<v Speaker 5>other than the killer. Police questioned Raytha about the abduction.

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<v Speaker 4>Has your daughter ever told or advised you that men

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<v Speaker 4>were trying to entice her into a vehicle?

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<v Speaker 11>No?

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<v Speaker 8>Did she often go to the door alone?

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<v Speaker 7>Just the star around the corna, not the safety buzz self.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anyone you suspect?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 10>Is there anything else you can add to the statement?

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<v Speaker 7>No?

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<v Speaker 5>As we heard before the break, Brenda called home not once,

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<v Speaker 5>but twice. Brenda had said that a white man abducted

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<v Speaker 5>her and that she was in Virginia. This information seemed

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<v Speaker 5>suspicious and it raised a lot of questions. Was the

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<v Speaker 5>killer feeding Brenda lies to tell her family and.

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<v Speaker 12>Why he was doing a lot of things to deliberately

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<v Speaker 12>mislead the authorities.

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<v Speaker 5>This is writer Blaine Pardo, who co wrote a book

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<v Speaker 5>about the Freeway Phantom. He says it didn't make sense

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<v Speaker 5>that a white man would have abducted Brenda as she

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<v Speaker 5>claimed over the phone. When we talked with members of

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<v Speaker 5>the local community, they agreed that a white man would

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<v Speaker 5>have stood out in the congress Heights neighborhood, since the

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<v Speaker 5>area has always been predominantly black.

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<v Speaker 12>Anything he had her say, you have to put under

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<v Speaker 12>a microscope and go Is he trying to throw the

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<v Speaker 12>trail off?

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<v Speaker 2>In this case?

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<v Speaker 12>I definitely think he was in terms of Virginia. I

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<v Speaker 12>don't know for sure on his race, though, very creepy

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<v Speaker 12>and if he was, imagine her knowing that she's lying

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<v Speaker 12>to her family about this. That had to ratchet up

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<v Speaker 12>her terror level.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>It's one thing. If somebody's holding you and they said

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<v Speaker 12>you could tell him we're in Virginia and you're in Virginia,

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<v Speaker 12>you tell him I'm white because I'm white. But if

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<v Speaker 12>they're telling you things that you know aren't true, you

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<v Speaker 12>got to be more scared. That just ugh scares me

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<v Speaker 12>to think about that.

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<v Speaker 5>Having Brenda call home was a new mo for the

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<v Speaker 5>Freeway Phantom, and it showed that he was starting to escalate.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, it was only eight hours or so after

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<v Speaker 5>that phone call that Brenda's body was discovered. In the

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<v Speaker 5>early morning hours of July twenty eighth, nineteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Ray Carter began to head home from work. He

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<v Speaker 5>worked at the Safeway Bakery in Landover, Maryland, but lived

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<v Speaker 5>in Alexandria, Virginia. While he was trying to hitch a ride,

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<v Speaker 5>he spotted Brenda's body in Chevley, Maryland. Carter had the

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<v Speaker 5>cab that had stopped for him take him to Joy

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<v Speaker 5>Donut Shop to call law enforcement and let them know

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<v Speaker 5>about the body. After law officials were on the scene,

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<v Speaker 5>the medical examiner declared Brenda's time of death at six

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<v Speaker 5>fifty five am. Brenda was killed and disposed of in

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<v Speaker 5>less than eight hours.

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<v Speaker 12>It was really sad when we saw the pictures of her.

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<v Speaker 12>I was deeply moved because she's laid on her back

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<v Speaker 12>and her eyes are open, looking up and it's on

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<v Speaker 12>the curve of a cloverleaf exit.

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<v Speaker 5>Blaine tells us he spoke with Carter, you know.

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<v Speaker 12>He said it was the saddest thing because he said,

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<v Speaker 12>she's just laying there, and he said, I just thought

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<v Speaker 12>maybe she's asleep, maybe she's not feeling well, something along

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<v Speaker 12>those lines, And it turns out that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 12>What's interesting, too, is you see a trend with this.

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<v Speaker 12>Her shoes are missing and the killer has taken shoes

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<v Speaker 12>off several of the victims. That's usually a control mechanism.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, if you take someone's shoes, it's harder for

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<v Speaker 12>them to get away or flee or whatever, and he

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<v Speaker 12>may be keeping those things as souvenirs. Also missing from

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<v Speaker 12>her were some pink hair curlers that she had. We

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<v Speaker 12>know it was a fairly narrow window of time, so

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<v Speaker 12>narrow in fact, that it almost rules out when you

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<v Speaker 12>know the geography of dc DC being kind of wedged

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<v Speaker 12>between Virginia and Maryland, the time that her her body

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<v Speaker 12>is found versus the phone calls, etc. And when she disappeared,

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<v Speaker 12>it would have been very difficult for someone to go

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<v Speaker 12>anywhere but other than right across the border into Virginia.

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<v Speaker 12>If indeed the killer was there, the thinking that most

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<v Speaker 12>law enforcement have had is that he had fed her

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<v Speaker 12>that information to deliberately mislead the authorities. We just don't

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<v Speaker 12>know for sure, but you know, the concept of a

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<v Speaker 12>killer taking his victim back and then letting her call

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<v Speaker 12>home twice is very disturbing. It's just incredibly creepy.

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<v Speaker 5>The killer placed Brenda's body along the Prince George's County,

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<v Speaker 5>Maryland line. Here's how the police report describes the scene.

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<v Speaker 11>The body was viewed by this detective and it was

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<v Speaker 11>observed that she was clad in a blue and white halter,

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<v Speaker 11>matching shorts, white cotton underpats, and around her neck was

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<v Speaker 11>an orchid colored silk scarf knotted and a greenish colored

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<v Speaker 11>quarter inch cord attached to which was a silver house key.

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<v Speaker 11>The body was rigor and no visible trauma was present.

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<v Speaker 11>The deceased was laying approximately five feet six inches from

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<v Speaker 11>the curb side, flat on her back with her arms outstretched.

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<v Speaker 11>After the body was removed, it was noted that the

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<v Speaker 11>ground was extremely dry under the deceased, however, around the

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<v Speaker 11>body was wet.

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<v Speaker 5>The orchid scarf was new, Brenda hadn't been wearing it

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<v Speaker 5>when she left for Safeway, and this further added to

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<v Speaker 5>the theory that the Freeway phantom was redressing the girls.

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<v Speaker 5>Brenda's body was taken to the Morgue at Prince George's

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<v Speaker 5>County Hospital. This is her autopsy report.

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<v Speaker 13>Cause of death was ruled to be ligature and manual strangulation.

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<v Speaker 13>She had been vaginally raped and there were ring like

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<v Speaker 13>contusions around her nipples, suggesting they had been bitten. There

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<v Speaker 13>was a small contusion in the left temple region of

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<v Speaker 13>her scalp she was fully clothed, with the exception of

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<v Speaker 13>her shoes. It was noted no soil on her feet.

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<v Speaker 13>On her head were pink plastic hair curlers, several of

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<v Speaker 13>which were missing. A few small hairs of negroid origin

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<v Speaker 13>were found on the palm of her right hand, but

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<v Speaker 13>were too small for any sort of comparison. Synthetic black

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<v Speaker 13>textile fibers were recovered from her scarf. Green synthetic fibers

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<v Speaker 13>were also recovered from her blouse, shorts, and panties. Blood

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<v Speaker 13>mixed with semen was found in the crotch of her panties,

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<v Speaker 13>but could not be conclusively grouped.

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<v Speaker 5>Brenda's case is different from Carol and Darlinia's in two

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<v Speaker 5>major ways. One is the time period between capture and killing.

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<v Speaker 5>Carol was kept alive and even fed for about a week.

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<v Speaker 5>Authorities weren't able to determine an exact time of Darlinia's

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<v Speaker 5>death due to the decomposition of her body when she

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<v Speaker 5>was found. However, they did confirm that it was a

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<v Speaker 5>shorter interval than the previous murder. The second difference, as

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<v Speaker 5>we mentioned, are the phone calls, but outside of that,

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<v Speaker 5>the similarities remain. How the girls were killed, the killer's

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<v Speaker 5>dump sight and the washed feet. Although Brenda had been barefoot,

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<v Speaker 5>her feet had still been washed. But there's another detail

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<v Speaker 5>in Brenda Crockett's case that wasn't initially noticed. This is

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<v Speaker 5>Romaine Jenkins, the retired Metropolitan Police Department sergeant who investigated

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<v Speaker 5>the freeway phantom cases. We visited her at her home.

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<v Speaker 6>What do you think of her hair?

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<v Speaker 4>Her hair's been washed, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 6>See, men didn't notice that. I noticed that and me

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<v Speaker 6>all said, oh, the hay has been washed in water

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<v Speaker 6>some way, So how tied up it is? And her

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<v Speaker 6>sister said their hair had just been done. They had

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<v Speaker 6>just been pressed and curled and put on rollers and

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<v Speaker 6>look at it. Now, she's been in water. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 6>the guys didn't notice that. They did not. I knew

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<v Speaker 6>that when I saw that picture.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's what Bertha Crockett has to say about her sister's

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<v Speaker 5>hair being wet.

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<v Speaker 4>When they found her. I think her hair was wet

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<v Speaker 4>with the rollers in it. If that's the case, I

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<v Speaker 4>think he would have tried to remove evidence. If you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna wash your victims, you're removed trying to remove evidence.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, as black women, we don't do wet hair.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't even remember my hair back then, but I

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<v Speaker 4>have one picture of her at Easter and her hair

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<v Speaker 4>was cute, So I guess we would have had to

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<v Speaker 4>been pressing, pressing curl back then. In the seventies, it

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<v Speaker 4>met shampoo, blow dry, iron, curl on the stove and

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<v Speaker 4>press and roll up with rollers. None of this.

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<v Speaker 13>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember curling eyes. I don't remember h flat eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember any of that. It's just you press

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<v Speaker 4>it with the straightening comb on the stove and you

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<v Speaker 4>rolled it up with some greeds.

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<v Speaker 5>Reports also showed the negroid headhairs in Brenda's right palm

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<v Speaker 5>were not hers, and for the third time now green

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<v Speaker 5>rayon fibers were found on the body. Here's Blaine Pardo again, So.

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<v Speaker 12>We now know for sure she's linked to Carol Spakes.

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<v Speaker 12>So at that point law enforceman knows they've got somebody

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<v Speaker 12>who's doing this. And more importantly, those fibers are showing

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<v Speaker 12>up under their clothing. If you think about it from

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<v Speaker 12>a perspective of what's happening, if you get your victim

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<v Speaker 12>to disrobe because you're going to sexually assault them, or

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<v Speaker 12>you disrobe them if you're putting their clothes on the

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<v Speaker 12>source of those fibers, You're still kind of laying clothes on.

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<v Speaker 12>Let's say it was a reading blanket out of bed.

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<v Speaker 12>When you're throwing the clothes on there, the fibers are

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<v Speaker 12>still going to be on the outside of the clothing.

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<v Speaker 12>These things are showing up inside. And you know, it's

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<v Speaker 12>a real scary concept of what's happening here as to

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<v Speaker 12>how they're picking these fibers up and from.

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<v Speaker 5>What The Maryland Police Department issued an award for any

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<v Speaker 5>information on the case. And while the police were searching

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<v Speaker 5>for the killer, birth as send. The community changed.

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<v Speaker 4>After that. The community became really strict. Like I was

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<v Speaker 4>in a short block. I mean I'm talking like maybe

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<v Speaker 4>a quarter mile, not even that. When the lights came on,

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<v Speaker 4>you better be in front of your home to go

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<v Speaker 4>in the house. In our neighborhood, the community raised us.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you did anything wrong, the neighbors told your

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<v Speaker 4>parents be for they even got home. So everything. Everybody

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 4>was watching out for everybody. It was so strict, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was just what it was after that, And I

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<v Speaker 4>think I think my sister's death is what sparked such

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<v Speaker 4>a tight knit a lookout for everybody on that block

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<v Speaker 4>and on the next blocks. I I was on twelfth Place,

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<v Speaker 4>so we had Twelfth Street. On the next block we

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 4>had thirteenth Street. So we just kept a tight knit

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:35.439
<v Speaker 4>community after that. It was so sad, though, because I

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 4>didn't understand the restrictions that I had on me as

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 4>a little child. But my mother didn't want anything to

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<v Speaker 4>happen to me either.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's an excerpt from the book The Mystery of the

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<v Speaker 5>Freeway Phantom by Wilma Harper.

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<v Speaker 9>The death of Brenda had a traumatic effect on the

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 9>neighborhood where she lived. The residents said the area would

0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 9>never be the same. In contrast to the usual crowd

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 9>to frolicking youngsters, only a few children were playing ball

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 9>on the block. After Brenda's body was found. An eight

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 9>year old boy refused to go to the store for

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 9>his mother because he was afraid he would be kidnapped.

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 9>Neighbors and friends along twelfth Place, which is just behind

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 9>Cardoza High School, described Brenda as a bright fifth grade

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 9>student at nearby Harrison Elementary School. Missus Eva Artist, a

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 9>neighbor who cared for the children when their mother was

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 9>at work, said we usually have lots of games going

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 9>on the street, but nobody's been acting right today. I

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 9>think everyone is disturbed.

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<v Speaker 5>But Bertha Crockett says the death of her sister had

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<v Speaker 5>an even bigger impact on her immediate family.

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<v Speaker 4>I know it took a lot on my mom, though

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 4>I saw my mom just appreciate from that. But she

0:28:56.280 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 4>just wasn't her stuff anymore. It's like life went out her.

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 4>And so then that's when you that's when you you say, well,

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.719
<v Speaker 4>why wasn't it me? Why would God take that Anchel?

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 4>Because she had going no way better than me, even

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<v Speaker 4>at seven years old. You want to think that, like

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 4>I know her, I knew her. I didn't, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. I didn't. I wasn't on her level

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 4>because she had her own girlfriendstead of friends at ten

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 4>years old, she had a whole school of girlfriend that

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 4>loved her. I went to the cemetery about a month ago,

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 4>but I could not find her, and I couldn't. My

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 4>mama is in the same place, the same cemetery, but

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't. So I will have to literally go back

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 4>and ask them to show me the plot, because it's

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<v Speaker 4>been fifty years to show me where my sister I

0:29:54.400 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 4>know she's located in Hilltop Garden of Roses. That the

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 4>name of the place where they, you know, have her

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 4>laid to rest. But my mom is in the same place.

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 4>My mom is on that big tree. But yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 4>said that, you know, having a sister that I really

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 4>didn't get to know because she got taken away at

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 4>such a young age, growing up without a sister, and

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<v Speaker 4>then like in my early twenties, I lost my mom,

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<v Speaker 4>so I mean out here forever, and so some things

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<v Speaker 4>just bring emotion back.

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 5>Well. Bertha and her family were grieving Brenda's death. The

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 5>police had begun to suspect that her murder might be

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 5>connected to Carol and Derlinia, and months later those suspicions

0:30:50.120 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 5>were finally confirmed when another girl was found dead. Sixteen

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<v Speaker 5>year old Stephen James Potopio was watching TV when he

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 5>decided to go visit his friend Chuck. On his way

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<v Speaker 5>to Chuck's house, he passed by a broken down pontiac

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<v Speaker 5>on the shoulder of Pennsylvania Avenue near a sign that

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<v Speaker 5>said Upper Harborough twelve. Stephen said he heard a man

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 5>holler a girl's name and told her to cut the

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<v Speaker 5>lights on. He described the woman as young and white,

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 5>no older than nineteen or twenty. The man was also

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 5>white and well dressed, with brownish blonde hair, glasses, and

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 5>about five foot ten inches. Stephen said he noticed the

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 5>guy was staring at him, so when Stephen was about

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 5>twenty feet from the car, he jumped the bank to

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 5>cut across the cemetery to Chuck's house. When he got there,

0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 5>nobody was home, so Stephen decided to head back to

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 5>his house. This next part is an excerpt from Stephen's

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 5>statement to the police.

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<v Speaker 8>I then left and headed home the identical where I came.

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 8>As I was walking up Pennsylvania Avenue toward Maryland, I

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 8>started walking backwards, shying the thumb hitchhike. I noticed a

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 8>box sitting off the shoulder on the grass. I walked

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 8>over to the box and saw glass in it. I

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 8>turned and saw something in the grass, but right then

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.719
<v Speaker 8>I didn't know what it was. I walked up to it,

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 8>but I didn't know if it was a man or

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 8>a girl. I stood there a couple seconds to see

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 8>if you wuld move. I took my right foot and

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 8>kicked it two or three times, and the body seemed

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 8>to wiggle. I stood there a couple seconds, and it

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 8>felt the body under the ribs to see if the

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 8>heart was beating. The body felt cold, and then something

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 8>hit me, maybe it was dead.

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<v Speaker 5>Stephen had found the body of twelve year old Ninamosha Yates,

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<v Speaker 5>a sixth grader at Kelly Miller Junior High She was

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 5>a well behaved, quiet child, and now she was the

0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 5>fourth victim of the Freeway phantom. Ninamosha lived with her

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 5>father and stepmother in the Benning Heights neighborhood in southeast Washington,

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<v Speaker 5>d C. Benning Heights is about six miles from Congress Heights,

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<v Speaker 5>a completely different area on the other side of d

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<v Speaker 5>C from the first three murders. It was Friday, October first,

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen seventy one. Ninomosha's stepmother had just given birth and

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<v Speaker 5>was at the hospital with Nina's dad. About seven p m.

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<v Speaker 5>Ninomosha was given five dollars and sent to Safeway to

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<v Speaker 5>buy sugar, flour, and paper plates. The grocery store was

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 5>located at forty eight oh one Benning Road Southeast. That's

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 5>the same road Ninomosha lived on. Although the store was

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 5>only about a block away, her father had instructed her

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 5>not to talk to strangers. According to witnesses, Ninamosha made

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 5>it to the grocery store, but she never made it back.

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 5>Here's Victoria Hester, who co wrote a book about the

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 5>Freeway Phantom with her father, Blaine Pardo.

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<v Speaker 14>We know that for sure she was at the Safeway.

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<v Speaker 14>The store manager confirmed on October first. It would have

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 14>been pretty dark at that time. It was normal to

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 14>go down the street to a Safeway at nine o'clock

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 14>at night in DC at that time.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't until the next day, October second, that a

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<v Speaker 5>Safeway employee found the items nan Emosha had purchased.

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<v Speaker 14>We know wherever she went she was either forcibly taken

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.479
<v Speaker 14>only because the bag of sugar that she had bought

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 14>from Safeway was found in the parking lot of Safeway,

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 14>so she didn't get very far. She wouldn't have left

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 14>that bag of sugar. If she was getting a ride

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 14>home or getting a ride to somewhere else by someone

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.479
<v Speaker 14>driving by, she would have taken that with her, which

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 14>kind of leads us to believe it was forcibly. But

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 14>at the same time, with it being a well lit

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.760
<v Speaker 14>parking lot, she would have screamed. She would have made

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 14>some sort of noise and a area I she was

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 14>being forcibly taken, so it gets kind of tricky and

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:03.320
<v Speaker 14>that sense because of her age too, she was twelve.

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 14>Was she easy to convince to get in a vehicle?

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 4>Just to me?

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 14>It makes it look forcible since her bag of groceries

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.760
<v Speaker 14>that she went out to get was left behind. Another

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 14>important thing about it was her body was found dry

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 14>on wet grass, so we know she wasn't killed where

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 14>she was dumped, and she wasn't killed outside or she

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 14>would have been wet. She was wearing her clothes that

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:34.240
<v Speaker 14>she was wearing when she disappeared. The cause of death

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 14>was known to be strangulation and she was sexually assaulted.

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.799
<v Speaker 14>She also had fingernail marks on her neck, so either

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 14>from being strangled or trying to fight back and getting

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 14>marks on her neck.

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 5>Ninemosha was found in cut off brown shorts, a white

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 5>sweatshirt with green lettering that spelled Randall, Highland hornets, and

0:35:55.560 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 5>white zips tennis shoes. Autopsy reports indicated her a soft

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 5>was crushed. Not only did Ninomosha have more wounds than

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:08.399
<v Speaker 5>previous victims, but the killer had accelerated his timeline. She'd

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 5>left home around seven pm and her body was found

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 5>around nine fifteen pm. This means she was taken, murdered,

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:21.280
<v Speaker 5>and disposed of in roughly two hours. Like the others,

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 5>green fibers were found on the body, Negroid hairs from

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 5>a person's head were on her panties, brazier, sweatshirt, cut

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:31.759
<v Speaker 5>off jean shorts, and shoes. At the time of her disappearance,

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 5>Ninomosha was wearing a sanitary napkin. Semen was found in

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 5>that napkin. Additionally, two dollars ninety one cents and a

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.799
<v Speaker 5>grocery list were found in her pocket, along with two

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 5>house keys. Attached to a string. Near her body were

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 5>several items, including a single woman's loafer. Police considered the

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 5>loafer was dragged out of the vehicle with Ninomosha's body

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 5>because it was also dry. Remember Darlinia Johnson was missing

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 5>loafers when she was found. There were also drag marks

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 5>from Ninamosha's heels in the wet dirt. The police report

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.239
<v Speaker 5>noted that tire tracks created by a small vehicle were

0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 5>found near the body and had been photographed. Later. Another

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 5>witness told police they'd seen Ninamosha get into a blue

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 5>Volkswagen with a yellow stripe down the side headed in

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 5>the direction of the safeway. The witness assumed it was

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:25.800
<v Speaker 5>her mom, since she drove a similar car.

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 14>Kind of sent a wild goose chase on the Volkswagen

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 14>issue with a witness thinking that they saw her get

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 14>into a Volkswagen. It kind of created this, well, now

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 14>we've got to find this car that happens to be

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 14>one of the most popular cars right now, and it

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 14>really went nowhere. It's kind of unfortunate. It's nice that

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 14>the witness thought they saw something, but at the same time,

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 14>it created a lot of misleading information about who they

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 14>were looking for, and it wasted a lot of police

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 14>time running all these plates and trying to identify all

0:37:58.719 --> 0:37:59.320
<v Speaker 14>these cars.

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<v Speaker 5>Later, investigators interviewed Stephen again. This time he added to

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.240
<v Speaker 5>a statement The following is from that report.

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<v Speaker 11>He advised he furnished what he thought was the full

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 11>facts of what he had seen that evening, but he

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 11>has since recalled he had seen another car in the

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 11>vicinity of where he discovered the body Potopia related after

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 11>he left his residence and turned east toward Washington d C.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 11>On Pennsylvania Avenue in the right hand lane, he observed

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:38.439
<v Speaker 11>a Volkswagen in the westbound lane. This Volkswagen pulled off

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 11>onto the side of the road and parked about twenty

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 11>five feet west of where Potopia discovered the body. Potopia

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 11>looked back after he had seen the car park and

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 11>observed two men get out of the Volkswagen, a white

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 11>from the driver's side and a Negro man from the

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 11>passenger side. The two men walked along the side of

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 11>the road distance and then went down the embankment, and

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 11>she no longer thought anything about it. Potopia then crossed

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 11>the westerly lane the median and then in the westerly

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 11>lane observed the other car with the hood up, which

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.920
<v Speaker 11>he had put into the signed statements.

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 5>The car with the hood up belonged to the young

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:28.320
<v Speaker 5>couple we heard earlier. Police were now investigating two sets

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 5>of individuals, one a young Caucasian couple, the other a

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 5>black man and Caucasian man, but this didn't last long.

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 5>Shortly after the news broke about Nina Moosha Yates, a

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 5>witness came forward. Here's what James Richard Lloyd told police,

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 5>as read by a voice actor.

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 15>I was with Jay Robinson in his nineteen seventy one

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 15>Pontiac Laman, which is brown in color, and we were

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 15>coming from the Fairfax Village in Washington, d C. Jay

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 15>heard a noise coming from the engine, so we stopped

0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 15>along Pennsylvania Avenue, just passed the gates to the cemetery.

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.040
<v Speaker 15>We got out and opened the hood. Jay was trying

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 15>to find where the noise was coming from. About that time,

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 15>someone walked past us. I first saw him walking up

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:12.239
<v Speaker 15>the road as we pulled off. He was walking toward DC.

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.239
<v Speaker 15>While we stopped, I saw two cars stopped along the

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 15>road in front of us, about one hundred yards up

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.759
<v Speaker 15>the road from us. They were close together, but I

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 15>don't know what type of cars they were. We got

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 15>back in our car and drove off.

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<v Speaker 5>James told police he came to speak with them after

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<v Speaker 5>Jerry's mother had read about the news. It had been

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<v Speaker 5>only him and Jerry in the car when they stopped

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<v Speaker 5>just pass the entrance to the cemetery along Pennsylvania Avenue.

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<v Speaker 5>He said he saw both cars the entire time he

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<v Speaker 5>and Jerry were pulled over. This was about three to

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<v Speaker 5>four minutes. James also told police the cars were there

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<v Speaker 5>when he and Jerry left, and he didn't see anyone

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<v Speaker 5>or anything else as they drove off. With James's statement,

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<v Speaker 5>both sets of suspects were ruled out. Authorities were back

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<v Speaker 5>to square one. There were now four young dead black girls,

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<v Speaker 5>girls that were from tight knit neighborhoods, places where the

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<v Speaker 5>community kept an eye on children, places that were meant

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<v Speaker 5>to be safe, Yet the police had no leans. Here's

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<v Speaker 5>Romain again.

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<v Speaker 3>Whoever grabbed these young ladies grabbed them right in their

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<v Speaker 3>own neighborhood. Nina Mostates went to the grocery store in

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<v Speaker 3>the forty eight hundred block of Benning Road. She's picked

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<v Speaker 3>up that she she's grabbed in the forty nine hundred block,

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<v Speaker 3>and nobody sees anything. All the people out there, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't care. When you go out there. You have East

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<v Speaker 3>Capitol Street there, it's always people because you're close to

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<v Speaker 3>the district line. People are doing shopping. She's grabbed at

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<v Speaker 3>a time when there are lots of people out, kids

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<v Speaker 3>are out, and nobody.

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<v Speaker 6>Sees the thing. Because he fit in with the community,

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<v Speaker 6>nobody was suspicion.

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<v Speaker 5>What happened to Ninemosha was also true in the case

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<v Speaker 5>of Brenda Crockett. Both girls had been snatched in broad Daylight.

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<v Speaker 5>As Romaine has said, it's very likely the killer was

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<v Speaker 5>somebody from the neighborhood. I asked Bertha Crockett if she

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<v Speaker 5>had any suspicions about who the killer could be.

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<v Speaker 4>Back then, we used to have officer friendlies that came

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<v Speaker 4>to our school and they got to know the kids.

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<v Speaker 4>That means officers that used to come to your school

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<v Speaker 4>and make sure that the kids feel safe. Like right

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<v Speaker 4>now they have patrol officers or officers in the school

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<v Speaker 4>and make sure kids are not doing the violence stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that they've been doing lately. But back then they were

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<v Speaker 4>called officer friendlies and they would come to your school

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<v Speaker 4>and have like little conversations with you and and it

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<v Speaker 4>always made me feel like an officer friendly was somebody

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<v Speaker 4>that saw different girls and he selected them.

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<v Speaker 5>Next time on Freeway Phantom.

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<v Speaker 3>DC had never had a serial killing before, and so

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't something not that you ever get used to it,

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<v Speaker 3>but it wasn't something they were familiar with. The fourth

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<v Speaker 3>body that brought more people in because where's the body found.

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<v Speaker 3>You're talking about PG County, right, You're talking about crossing

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<v Speaker 3>jurisdictional lines, So then he is PG County coming into play?

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<v Speaker 13>All of these girls were not from runaway families.

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<v Speaker 5>These girls, they were good families.

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<v Speaker 10>And if they do investigate, they don't investigate when it

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<v Speaker 10>comes to black people, you know, unless it's something that's juicy.

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<v Speaker 7>And all of a sudden, the guy, he comes out

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<v Speaker 7>of the driverside and he comes around the front of

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<v Speaker 7>the car.

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<v Speaker 3>And snatches me.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no emotion on his face. None.

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