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Speaker 1: a football player. Welcome to a celebration of Jacksonville Jaguars

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Speaker 1: left tackle Tony Baselli's induction in the National Football League

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fames. What makes it even more special for

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Speaker 1: For them to care that much means a tonu to me.

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Speaker 1: Join Jaguars dot Com senior writer John Hosier as he

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Speaker 1: I mean I was a reporter for the Florida Times

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Speaker 1: to you as the defensive lineman that he had the

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Speaker 1: What was it about those matchups that was so special?

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Speaker 1: What made it so special is he gave it every snap. UM,

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Speaker 1: You know, so you talked about the weapons that Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: Everything you would want an offensive lineman. And the rarest

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Speaker 1: And to go up against somebody like that who can

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Speaker 1: He you know, that was my challenge for the year, was,

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