WEBVTT - Persona w/ Clea DuVall 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:11.240 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories, Done. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:32.199 Done Happy twenty twenty three. Everybody, It's That's Messed Up 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.159 an SVU podcast And I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.640 Hello. This is a podcast where we talk about SVU, 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.560 the true crimes that are based on We have celebrity 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.440 guests and up top we chit chat a little bit. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.720 We catch up, even though truly we've been spending eight 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.560 hundred hours together constantly because we're in the time machine. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.280 I think, well, by the time this episode comes out, 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.800 we will have missed each other because I have been 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.160 out of town for a couple of weeks. You know, 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:01.680 you're doing stuff, but. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.759 At this point we're really These are kind of super 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:06.000 time machine episodes. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.080 Just because of the holidays. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:09.600 You know, we got to let all of our babies 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.680 at exactly right take a little break ski and we 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.319 need a break. So you know, it's before holidays for 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.480 us right now, but it'll be post holidays. It'll be 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:19.240 the brand new year when this comes out. Actually this 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.080 comes out of my sister's birthday. She does not listen 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.040 to the podcast, but happy birthday, Sis, and I'm sis. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:28.040 Yeah, maybe some of you are thinking about your New 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:32.119 Year's resolutions. Probably not. That's like so well, no, we're 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.160 just trying to survive at this point. I don't know, 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:35.640 Like what am I going to say? Am I going 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.640 to really say the same thing again over for the 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.720 tenth year in a row, Like it's done. I'm not 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.600 going to clean my room. I like I have been 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.960 nicer to my parents that I remember. That was one 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.200 off for a few years ago. Yeah, that I had 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.800 to stop yelling at my parents all the time. Yeah. 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:55.160 I don't really have any resolutions. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:56.800 I would like to start to try to work out 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.480 a little bit, but I don't know if I have 0:01:58.560 --> 0:01:58.920 it in me. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.200 Purnologists, rip me a new one. She goes, you better 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.080 be out there, you need to walk, You need to 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.960 get your life together, as she was pissed at me. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.639 My Undokrenologists rip me a new one? Is that merch? 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.639 It was just like, yeah, I would like to get 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.000 my life sorted. It's just like what am I going 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.080 to chew on a broccoli stock? I don't know. I mean, 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.600 I've done it before, I'll do it again. Who cares? 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.680 Well, one of your resolutions if you're listening, should be 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.080 to see us live. I'm just gonna do my quick 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.680 business update. Here we are it is. It is early January. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.600 We will be in Indianapolis on January twelfth, and then 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.800 we will be in Philadelphia on the nineteenth. New York 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.000 is sold out on the twentieth, but who knows, maybe 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.160 you can find some tickets somewhere. And then the twenty 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.919 first two shows in Boston. There are still tickets available 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.160 for the four pm show in Boston, and then Hartford, 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.760 my old college stomping grounds. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.800 I'll be there on the twenty second. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.920 So that is going to conclude our fall winter tour 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.240 of twenty twenty two to twenty three. So these are 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.120 your last chances to see us until we two we 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.000 go to Vancouver, Vancouver for Just for Labs. If you 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.519 live in Western Canada or anywhere near Vancouver, we will 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.800 be there for a great festival. You should really make 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:16.800 a weekend of it. Go see some comedy. We'll be 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:21.040 doing stand up as well at that and get yourself 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.040 some of our merch if you'd like, speaking of is 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:24.960 that merch? We've got this beanie that is so funny 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.640 because it says is that merch on it? And also 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.720 that's messed up? And then it's a great sweatshirt. Lisa's 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.120 modeling it right now. We will be posting photos of 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.280 ourselves wearing the merch. We just got our own pieces. 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.000 There's also a fanny pack that's super cute. 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.080 Yeah, we haven't gotten that yet. But I'm wearing the 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.040 sweatshirt now two days in a row, and I'm really 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:43.320 happy to be wearing it. 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:47.640 It's very soft. It's very soft. It's totally soft. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.720 Also, I want to do a quick shout out to 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.280 our Sacramento crowd. Thank you for bringing us chocolate covered 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.480 gummy bears. Oh my god, such a lit crowd. That 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.800 meant the world to us. I even ate the cinnamon bears, 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.320 the white chocolate bears. I love it that you guys 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:07.440 are so thoughtful with your gifts. We you know it, 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.640 really it's nice, you guys. Listen. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.360 I mean, somebody knitted me a hat that I've been wearing. 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.080 The little hat. Somebody acknowledged us in the in the 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.279 forward of their book. The book is called Drew Leclair 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.039 gets a clue, and I think it's like a it's 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.599 like a mystery book for like, I think it's like 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.680 a teen situation. Like it's like, you know, it's it's 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.479 it's more than two hundred pages. So it's not for 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.479 like a little kid. It's for you know, a kid 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.600 that wants to bust through a mystery. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.279 Yeah, it's just really it's sometimes it's hard to be 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.520 in the time machine. Even though we all everyone deserves 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.640 a little holiday break and I hope you all get 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.960 one as well. But not only is care of ruining 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.160 my life by not being caught up to White Lotus. 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.520 We now have to wait weeks like you guys won't 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.360 hear us recap White Lotus for like another Oh mon. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.440 You know we have to talk about we have to 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.680 talk about the final episode of Rawlins. I mean we 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:00.240 haven't talked about that yet. Oh my god, yeah we okay, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.960 so sorry, this happened a month ago, but we're in 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:04.719 the time machine. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.359 This is my thing. I thought the Little Caper crime 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.760 is so silly. I was just like, they're investigating in 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.480 a town they have no jurisdiction on there, with no backup. 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.919 In their own little crime silly, like a spoiler alerts, 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.760 I guess if you don't want to get spoiled on 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:27.000 this weird episode. But like Live and Rowin spend hours 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.039 getting a man drunk to bring him back to the 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.839 hotel and then just arrest him, like I don't understand, Like. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.640 It's like their last hurrah, but Robins hasn't even confessed 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.760 to Benson that she's leaving, and it it is just so. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.280 But I loved their time together, so it really is, 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.640 But I like it. They were looking for an excuse 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.279 to get those two in a motel together drinking boxed wine. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.880 Then they did it, but the caper with the hidden 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:56.120 cameras seemed so far fetched and crazy. I also was 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.359 like not crazy about this Noah's half brother story, but 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.520 you know that I don't care about Noah storylines, Like 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:03.600 I can't believe this is the first time this is 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.400 like coming up, Like wouldn't there be records that he 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.400 has family nearby like before his adoption. I don't know, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:15.080 it's really and the family being so picture perfect was 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:15.800 like annoying me. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:17.880 Well, I was just scared that the brother was gonna 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:22.080 molest him, Like I'm just glad everything's you know, hunky Dory, Like, yeah, 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:23.640 I was just on the edge of my steeving, like 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.000 is someone gonna touch Noah, I cannot handle this, and 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.200 so I'm glad he just got like a PlayStation and 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.280 a nice dinner and they're sweet and this might be live. 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:32.560 You know. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.680 I liked tear up thinking about it, but I loved 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:40.120 Rollins getting drunk. Also, could she have not afforded one Hilton? 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:41.919 There's not one days in she had to be in 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:42.560 this motel. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.000 It felt like they were at a very like like 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.040 a psych area, and she wanted to like be closer 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:50.800 to the where the family was. I don't know that, 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.599 And like we haven't seen like Olivia Benson walking out. 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.280 Of a shower and a towel before. 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:01.040 Like that was a lot of skin for old Rishka 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.880 And then all they say old, Oh, I don't mean 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:04.360 old like that. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.880 I know, I know, I mean, oh Ellie old, our 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:07.480 old buddy. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:12.040 Yeah, but like yeah, I was just surprised, Like even 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.320 young her, we never saw her like getting out and 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:15.800 like I just kind of loved that. Now she's like 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.280 in her fifties and she's like, fuck it, put me 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.440 in a towel and I'm wet, let's do it like well. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.440 I also loved that she was down for her nudes 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.080 to be released. She was like, you know what, we 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.520 have victims to reveal a lot, Like I don't care, 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.920 you can send my news. I bet she knew she 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:33.920 looked good. Yeah, no, I love them getting drunk. I 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.040 you know, I'm glad this all happened because if she 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.280 had stayed in the house with Noah, there couldn't have 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.400 been this drunk thing. But like, I think in reality, 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:42.920 she would have stayed in the guest room. Like I 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.000 really don't think she would have left. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.120 She would not have left her kids with a family 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:47.680 that she just met, Like you don't know what the 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.280 dad's deal is, Like you don't know anything, Like I 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.760 don't think she knowing everything she knows, especially with the 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:54.760 grand people. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.200 But yeah, but we all thought Brooke Shields was good. 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.120 Yeah, but that took a long time for her to 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.240 let brook Shields in. I know, it wasn't first night 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.480 go have a fucking sleepover with Grandma Sheila. 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:07.440 No. So I don't know. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.760 I think it's because Noah's always just like putting her 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.280 on the spot and is like, I don't know, you know, 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:13.920 I'm not a fan, but anyway. 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.640 But I just hope it's good. I just hope that 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.920 she's able to like I mean, it's stung when Noah goes, 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.280 this is the closest I have to family, or like 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.760 this is a real this is my real family. She 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.360 said something like that, and it's like, yeah, you self 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.600 centered little bitch, like your mom is your fucking family. No, 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.840 I just want her to have this family and integrate 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.960 it with her work family and meet someone like I want. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.640 You know what we're talking. This episode was wild too. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.800 I feel like we hadn't heard so much confess confession 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.319 about how she We've never really heard her say. For 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.400 all you'll say about the long looks off into the 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.199 distance and whatever that we've seen, we've never really heard 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.199 her come out and say that she's interested in him 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:56.600 that way. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.680 No, And what I wanted to like, I just the 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.839 postponing joy like tell you know, I'm guilty of it 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.480 where you give people great advice and you never follow it. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.280 And I just felt in that moment, I just love 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.280 Rollin's being like you do the same girl, Like, yeah, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:16.440 stop waiting for something to enjoy your life. Yeah, it's 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:17.680 like shit, Ter get off the pot. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.120 Like it's like get together with him or fucking get 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.439 on e harmony or something. But let's do something else, 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.560 you know, I know, Benson on Riya, Benson on Riya. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.880 Do you think they let an SVU detectives on Riya? Oh? 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.679 My god, A captain. I bet a captain, I bet 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:33.160 a captain. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.560 I'm sorry that was insulting. I didn't mean to insult 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.800 our queen. But anyway, Also, I do want to mention 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.560 the wedding. I love that it was pre credits like 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:47.320 that really made me happy, because we anticipating something you 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.240 know is gonna happen is annoying. So I love that 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.200 it was just like a great surprise right away, you know, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.160 with the people who really love them and know them 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:55.920 so deeply. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.600 And I'm like really not horny for Careesi at all, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.840 but I did think that was such a we mourning 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.040 with like them in the bed and then like they're 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:03.920 girls coming in. 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.000 It's like they're a cute family. You know. What's another 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.719 thing I didn't even think of. It's like Rollins does 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.840 have to get off the force. If Rollins dies, what 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:12.520 happens to her? 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:16.000 Girls cares better adopt their asses because what happens to them, 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:17.040 they have different fathers. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.800 We don't know what their relationships is with their fathers. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.680 What are they gonna go to her crazy ass mom 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.719 down in Georgia or to Kim Rollins, you know what 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:26.839 I mean? Like, she's got to figure out a plan 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:28.280 for those girls. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.360 Honey, she Yeah, she's gonna have more time. What are 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.840 a professor? What teaches two times a week? Like she'll 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.360 have times if Carisy would have adopted these girls four 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.560 years ago before they were born. Yes, but I'm just saying. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:40.920 I see why she doesn't want to put herself in 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:42.640 harms way all the time. She doesn't exactly have a 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.040 plan set up for these gals if something happens to her. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.880 Yeah, and she deserves to chill out. I mean, so 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.360 does Benson with all the trauma they have. But I 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.200 loved that and I'm sorry, And this always happens to 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.800 the new people. So it's like, but I'm not these 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:03.240 You're not feeling muncy. No, it's like cartoonish and not grounded. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.959 Her performance is not grounded to me, And maybe I'm 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.760 acting like two cocks. Well I got booked in one 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.080 show and now I'm gonna judge. Everyone's acting, but like 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.000 I I don't like her little lie. I just don't. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.200 I'm not buying it. And it's like, you know, this 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.760 case is important, we have to put Elias in jail, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.160 and you flip out on the stands. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.320 We don't need another best stable. If anything, what's the 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.800 coaching for. What's all the coaching for? If you just 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.120 literally it took barely anything to get you, like, she. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.800 Just doesn't astran And it's like, now we're gonna have 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.679 to watch these two knuckleheads. 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.720 Flirt for I'm sorry, he is cute, but he does 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:44.679 absolutely nothing for me. This Taviano man, he does nothing 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.760 for me. So if she's not grounded, he's literally like 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.160 dragging his body. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.320 On the floor. It's like so like so I'm like bored. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.679 He's always like, uh, what happened? Like I don't know. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.000 I just like don't. Yeah, he's like a kid in detention. Yeah, 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:00.840 it's like, not up your an, Sucktavio. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.679 But we've been begging for more humor and they give 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.120 us Monthsy with her jokes and they're not really doing it. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.720 They're not It's just those are munch size shoes to fill. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.240 And I'm not really getting it. So I don't know 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:11.920 what we gotta do. 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.600 Yeah, we gotta do. There's growth. I'm sure there's a 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.440 learning curve. We'll see what happens. I'm in you know, 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:21.160 I'm invested. We both are. Will never stop. Yeah, view 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:22.000 till we die. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.280 I'll be watching you when I'm sixty five with my grandchildren. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:33.040 Noah's the new captain. Let's start, let's start, let's start. 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.760 We have a great episode for you guys today. Don't 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:40.959 go anywhow. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:45.439 All right, We're doing episode Persona, season ten, episode eight, 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.320 and it says it came out November twenty fifth, and 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.680 so this is the day before Thanksgiving. I'm assuming and 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.400 this is a horrific start to the Thanksgiving holiday. I'll 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:53.720 say that. 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.560 This episode is it's a tough ye, but I would 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:04.720 say haunting one, most haunting. Yeah, so we opened strong. 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.200 No long walk in the park or a bickering couple. 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.800 It's straight up Clea Duval. She looks stressed. She is 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.480 my queen. I've loved her for decades. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.600 I feel like she created the asymmetrical Bob before anybody 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.280 else in the game. Posh thinks it's her, but it's not. 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.200 It's clear. Maybe it's clear from the faculty, but I'm 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:28.040 a cheerleader and you know, uh, we'll vat more currently 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.120 but then Happiest Season the lesbian Christmas movie she wrote 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.200 and directed that so fun, creative, amazing. But here she's 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.640 a conservative, rich looking lady. There's a pussy bow white shirt, 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:44.920 a sweater you love that I do, and she's asking 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.280 the pharmacist for a morning after pill, which should be 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.120 an easy transaction. It should be like, hello, mister pharmacist, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.520 can I have this? And then the pharmacist goes, of 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.600 course you can. But this bitch is an anti choice 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.160 Karen and I don't even know how she passed pills school. Okay, 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.000 she doesn't want to give it to her, and Clia 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:04.800 is like, bitch, I don't need to see a doctor, 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:06.959 just give it to me. And the nerve of this 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.480 woman suggests an adoption that is outside your scope of 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.520 your job. You feck him, like these people should be fired. 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.880 I don't understand how, like personal biases do not get 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.480 you fired in a medical profession, right, you shouldn't have 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.000 opinions at all, not. 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.960 Bible based opinions, science based, science based opinions, fact based, 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:29.720 well that's. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.760 What I mean. If you have any sort of personal 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.160 leanings where you're not doing things that are fully legal 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.360 to do, you should not be a medical professional. You 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:42.240 just shouldn't. That should be a rule. Motherfuckers. Clea loses 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.800 it though, and she screams at this woman, and you know, 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.280 she seems and then the pharmacist is like shock, she's 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.200 being yelled at, and it's like, well, fuck around and 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.960 find out. Have you never heard of that? So she 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.200 grabs her and pleads like I need it. I can't 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.880 have his baby, and she, oh my god, if you're 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.880 not already so furious, she goes, well you shouldn't have, 0:14:59.920 --> 0:15:02.840 Like I'm getting to your pants, and then a security 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.160 guard who is no less than seventy eight years old 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.080 grabs Clia and throws her into the glasses spinny display. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.800 I just like, I can't even believe this. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.400 Which is like where my mom exclusively bought her glasses 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.520 for years, four years on the spinny display at the pharmacy. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.480 And Clia is like, don't do this, like you don't 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.080 understand I was raped. So then it cuts to Benson 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.680 and Stabler pushing the door into the pharmacy breakroom where 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.200 they're holding Clia's character Mia, so we'll call her Mia 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.400 from now on. And Stabler's pissed. He's like, you cuffed 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.120 a rape victim. And the security guard's like, she caused 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.720 a disturbance. It's policy and obviously a Stabler's like unhooker, 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.360 and then the pharmacist is like, she assaulted me. I 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.160 want to press charges. In your fucking dreams. They don't 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.880 respect her at all, and they run out. They're like, yeah, 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.560 hold your breath, bitch, and then they rush out with 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.920 her to take her to the hospital, and it's the credits, 0:15:55.360 --> 0:16:00.120 so a really action packed in raging cold open and 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.960 we're back and wildly. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:07.080 Frenchie from Greece is the nurse. I think she's in 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.040 more than one episode. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.760 I don't know. I did search. Hold on. Let me 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:18.520 let me look, cause I remember being like, oh, Deed Cohn, yeah, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:19.560 oh three episodes. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.880 You're right, yeah, Like I've seen her before because I 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.080 remember every time I go, oh my god, it's Frenchie, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:24.600 you know. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.240 Authority per So that's the Robin Williams one and oh 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.480 my god, she's in Great ones. So she's in Robin Williams, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.800 she's in this one and then she's in Behave with 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.960 Jennifer Love hewittt Wow, three classics. I would say, ah, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.040 that's yeah, season's nine, ten, and twelve, so that's cool. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.120 But it's just like shocking that it's her, Like I 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.120 had to take eight double takes. I would say, to 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.920 see a person from Greece thrilling. So she's filling Olivia 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.640 in and shows photos of the victim's body and it's 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.600 horrific bruising. I've never seen bruising like this on this show, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.920 Like it is deep, intense and all over her body. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.160 And then they should talk the pharmacist as well, so 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.000 she's like, please find him fast, I don't want to 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.359 see any more of his handiwork, and lets them know 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.199 that Mia is down to talk, so they go to 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.920 chat with Miam. So she says it was getting light, 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.000 so she went out for bagels when a man grabbed 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.359 her from behind and her eyes are closed as she's talking, 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.120 and she says that he had a knife and if 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.359 she screamed, he would slit her throat and then dragged 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.040 her into an alley, knocked her down and like punched 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.680 her and kicked her, and the next thing she knows, 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.320 she like wakes up and he was on top of her. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.000 She says he was white, tall and big and not 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.919 really detailed account and she says her husband and her 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.399 are trying to get pregnant, so she knows that she's ovulating, 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.080 so she saw the pharmacy and ran in. And it 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.240 should have been like a simple fucking transaction. Like I 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.840 don't understand when people think, Like I just hate when 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.680 people's like it's like the philosophical debates and like your 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.960 beliefs are outside of what is actually really happening, Like, yeah, 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:58.240 no one cares about what you're pondering or like any debate. 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.399 This woman was just a tack and then you're making 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:07.040 it more and more worse. It's like it really stickens me. Yeah. 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.200 So we cut to a pretty day in New York 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.560 and o'haloran's meeting Benson and Stabler in the alley. And 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.040 the issue is there's a bunch of motor oil leaked 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.560 all over but so and there's no evidence of an attack, 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.800 and she would have been dirty, she would have had 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.840 oil all over her clothes. So sadly she's been caught 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.159 in this lie, but clearly she's been abused and was raped. 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.320 So it hits them finally that the bruises were all 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.320 hidden by clothing, which means this is a classic DV case. 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.199 Fuck the purpose her husband. So they go to me 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.520 as home. She answers and says it's not a good time, 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.040 but her husband's not home yet, but he's gonna come 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.879 home from Warkstone. They're like, we know you lied, and 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.840 then at that moment, her husband walks out of the 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:50.720 cab with flowers. Classic abuser what is it not territ behavior? 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:54.159 Classic abuser behavior. He does not like Stable and Benson 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:55.760 and is like, hey, honey, you're gonna introduce me to 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.920 your friends, and they handle it. They're like, hey, we're 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.080 just like investigating a string of burglaries the neighborhood, and 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:02.800 he goes, don't worry, we have tons of guns. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.440 We're safe. So not good. Oh my god, this man 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.000 is a full nightmare. Oh yeah. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.639 He kisses her cheek hello and gives her flowers, and 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.320 he asks her for dinner because he's starved, and she's like, well, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:18.400 I wasn't expecting you till six, and she is clearly scared. 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.000 Acting is so good, and he is pissed that dinner 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.480 is not ready and it's like, but if you came 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.560 home at six and then the dinner was cold, you'd 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.320 be pissed too, Like, what is happening? I mean, I 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.679 don't think it's about the dinner. This is an abusive 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.840 it's not about the pasta. But yes, yeah, just like 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.360 you're the one who decided to switch up your schedule, sir. 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.199 The detectives leave and are like, we got to do 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.600 something about this. But she's on a tight leash and 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.240 might not like talk and we can't touch him because 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.400 he's never she's not gonna speak at but they have 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.199 to do something because he's going to use her for 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.080 target practice. They say, if we don't help, so maybe 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.560 there's another way. Of course there is. So they head 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.520 down to the basement apartment, where they're greeted by a 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.359 happy grain man who's super pumped to see them, and 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.720 he's like, oh, fuck yeah, I'm a huge crime buff. 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.320 I think we got to post that on the Insta 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.879 and with the caption on because yeah, this man in 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:17.120 a wheelchair who's like, fuck yeah, give me the deaths. Yeah. 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.560 And then he's like Lenny, you know, and he calls 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.320 for this you know, someone named Lenny. And then he 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.400 says if his apartment wasn't in the basement, he would 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.199 be spying on everybody, like rear window, and it's like, 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.320 do you like crime or are you a freak? Like, 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.159 we don't, I don't know. 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.119 Well, actually, my friend, my friend Rachel, who you know, 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.879 has a cool apartment and it's like across the street 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.879 from an old hospital that is now apartments, and she 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.159 has opera glasses and she just kind of checks out 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.080 what people do. She's not like, she doesn't like, I 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.199 don't think, you know, get too deep into it. But 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.720 she's like, yeah, you see ladies taking off their bras 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:53.040 at the end of the night, you know, the end 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:56.600 of the day, like a lot of just New York behavior. 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:58.520 It is kind of fun to be like a little voyeur. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:00.920 I don't think she's doing it in a creepy way, 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:01.679 but maybe it is. 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:03.840 Yeah, but I also do think people are taking off 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.440 their bras outside of New York or you mean Rachel's 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:09.119 behaviors New York people. Yes, yes, thought it was the 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.320 bra taking off And I was like, no, I don't know, 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.440 this might be a bodega incident. Everyone might be so. 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:16.600 Yeah, Like also, I used to get changed in front 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.720 of my open window all the time because I don't care. 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.160 But like, if you care, you should get blind. Right. Wait, 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.760 have you seen this? It's like a meme text whatever. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.040 So someone texts this woman is like, hey, it's your neighbor. 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:30.600 Just want to let you know that me and my 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:35.280 husband can see you topless smoking a bong. And the 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.919 response from the woman was, do I look cool? 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.719 I haven't seen that, but that's the best. That's the 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:45.200 best response I've ever heard. 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.000 Yeah, I've it's one of you. Take a picture. I 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.199 would love to see it from your angle. Thank you. 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:56.760 It's a pet peeve when like women expect other women 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:00.800 to act differently because their husband's or boyfriend friends are around. 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.399 It's like, that's your problem. I use your fault. 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:05.960 Yeah, I think I've talked to you about how I 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.159 had an across the alley neighbor in New York who like, 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.280 not the alley because they aren't really alleys, but back 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:13.879 up building to back of my building who worked for 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.960 the Martha Stewart Show and would leave me letters telling 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.520 me how my TV was huge. And when I tell 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.200 you I had the smallest flat screen of all time, yes. 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:25.439 The one I have. Yes, it's what I gave Lisa. 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:27.719 I mean it's not big, you know what I mean, Like, 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:30.640 and she'd be like, your giant flat screen is glaring 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.560 into my apartment. And I would like write her letters 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.679 back being like get blinds, like I don't know what 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:35.199 to tell you. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.960 I'm not gonna not watch TV. 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.639 Like well, but then I realized she was working at 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:43.639 Martha Stewart and that maybe she was stressed because I've 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:45.560 heard from a friend that Martha really blamed her for 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.920 a lot of things. Yeah, but I think we started 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.160 this podcast post to my West Hollywood apartment. 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:56.800 Oh, I had a really wild neighbor who finally was like, 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.080 your TV's so loud and I wasn't even watching TV. 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:03.600 I was playing I Quiplash on my laptop and so 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:05.640 I ran out with my laptop and it was all 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:07.960 caught on this quip Lash show I was doing. But 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.560 I was just like, I'm not allowed to fucking zoom 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:14.639 with my friends. I mean, it was She's just it 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.200 was great because she would also say like every day, 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.719 like the volume. She's like the volume, and I was like, actually, 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.080 the remote, the batteries have been dead for days and 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.320 I haven't changed them, So the volume hasn't changed at all, 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:26.960 like you are being caught in lies. You are truly 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.680 just rooting my life. And honestly, I haven't got my revenge. 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:33.560 And if she still lives there, I'm not opposed to it. Yeah, 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:37.160 let's go back. Well, my favorite was my two friends 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:40.400 moved all of my stuff across the country. I paid them, 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:44.000 of course, but when they unpacked all my stuff, they 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.080 were so tired. I have a photo of them both 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:49.400 passed down on my couch sleeping watching Seinfeld, and she 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.960 said she called the woman I was subleasing from, saying 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.040 that she had to call the Sheriff's office because I 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.880 was partying so loud, and it was like truly two 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.600 men sleeping on my couch while side club played, and 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:03.800 I have to some people that's a raging party. I 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:04.840 guess that's wild. 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:05.160 Wow. 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:09.800 Yeah, And then she sicked the other neighbor on my 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.919 floor against me, like she sicks this woman who had 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.880 less going on, and so then it was like, yeah, 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:16.440 that is it. 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.480 Though they have nothing going on, they're just like I 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.360 gotta complain about something. Like if you sit in silence 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.040 for too long, then you have to focus on like 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.040 what you should be doing, what you need, and she 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.680 was just like every noise was like she had to 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:30.400 go up like. 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.840 Yeah, I have noises, my guy, Like that's what happens 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.160 in an apartment and if you don't want to hear noises, 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.119 don't live in an apartment building. Yeah, but like yeah, 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:41.160 and if you can't afford it, it is what it is. 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.840 Yeah, Just like I live in a house and it's 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:47.560 still like loud motorcycles, dogs barking, people moving their trash 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.359 cab Like there's loud noises. Like if you live in 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.040 a city, even, like you need to move into the 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:52.439 woods if you want total quiet. 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.320 Sorry, I hear people fucking. I hear my neighbors snoring, 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.439 Like yeah, I don't. I don't understand. That is life. Okay, 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:01.320 so we're back, We're back to this abuse. Okay. So 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:05.440 he's so Lenny runs in and he goes and she's 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:07.760 wearing what my mom would wear, like a colorful apron 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.280 with a little shirt like this is my mother's fashion 0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:15.280 fashion twin they address fully the same. He calls her 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.600 Grace Kelly, and she is not as excited as her 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.000 man about the cops being in her house, and she's like, 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.919 is something wrong? And they they're like, we just have 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.200 some questions about the upstairs neighbor, and Lenny immediately goes 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.760 did something happen to me? And the husband's like, oh, 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.960 that fucking husband and she's like, Jonah, please don't get involved, 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.080 and it's like you just you just actually started the involvement. 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:39.480 They ask if they've heard anything last night and she 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.240 says no, and he's like, babe, I already have MS, 0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:45.399 like you know, do you have Alzheimer's? Then we're really 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.720 in trouble. And then he says to like to the detectives, yeah, 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.000 there was an unholy ruckus. He keeps spilling the beans 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.200 and she's like, zip it, what if he kicks us out? 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.000 Who's gonna help us? We can't help you, guys, sorry, 0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.679 And she's like where else are we going to find 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.120 a rent controlled apartment with wheelchair access? And we would 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.440 have to leave the city and she walks back into 0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:07.200 the kitchen and he apologizes for his woman and says 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:10.040 she's scared of everything and hasn't left Manhattan in thirty 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:15.640 years down not even a walk across the bridge. Jeez. 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:20.280 Benson walks to the back to me the wife while 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:22.359 the men chat in the front. She's trying to get info. 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.359 I'm pleading on her emotions, like listen, Mia is covered 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.000 in bruises and she's mushing things in a pot and 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.359 the Coli art if the folly artist is really killing 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:33.800 it right, there's just like meat noises happening. But she 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:36.440 is just really scared to lose this apartment and doesn't 0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:39.520 want to get involved. And Benson's like there are laws 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:42.240 to protect tenants, like who will protect Mia? And she 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:45.120 finally gives in and says Brent is a monster. All 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:48.600 smiles and good looks, but underneath there's only ice, no heart. 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.679 There's a few seconds where they stand in silence, and 0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:53.480 the next thing we see is Mia coming down to 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.199 the basement apartment like, Lenny, what's up girl, what do 0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:58.320 you need? And she sees Benson and is like no, no, no, no, 0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:00.600 I have to go, and Benson's like please, I want 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.120 to protect you. Please let me help you. She turns 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:05.760 me out to the mirror and on zips her shirt 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:07.359 and makes her look at all the bruises in the 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:11.480 mirror and Lenny's like, oh, poor child, But she's wearing 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.239 like a sexy nighty with all the bruises and it's like, 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.760 so do abusers like like the bruises. 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:22.920 I know, yeah, probably, I mean they're probably like, this 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:23.800 is my property. 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:26.560 I do to it what I do to it. It's 0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.280 just confusing to me. But then do they know they're 0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:33.040 doing something wrong when they see the bruises or they're like, hell, 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:37.000 yeah I did that. Like, I'm it's just I'm curious. 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.280 Sure the psychology of all this, Yeah, I'm sure, it's 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.800 like they disassociate and they think this is this was 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.600 a punishment that was deserved, and so you know, like 0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.359 that's this just that's what happens when you get your punishment, 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:48.600 you know. 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:49.119 I don't know. 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:53.439 I'm just I'm just literally just all conjecture coming from me. 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:58.600 But yeah, it's just it's so fun, really hard to watch. 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:02.840 Yeah. She starts to cry and Benson tells her he's 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.400 not going to change. You have to. She finally confesses 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.640 what really happened to her. He wanted to have sex 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:10.520 and said let's make a baby, and knew that she 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.879 was ovulating because he tracks it and takes her temperature 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.960 every day, but she doesn't want to have a child 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.280 with him. She told him she wasn't feeling well and 0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.520 called her a selfish bitch and then hit her and 0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:24.080 kicked her and then raped her. She apologizes for lying. 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.960 Lenny hugs her and tells Benson, I'll take care of her. 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.840 You go arrest the bastard. They arrest his purple tie 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.360 ass on the stoop and they say he's arrested for rape, 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.400 and he asks where's my wife? And they're like, well, 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.920 that sounds like a confession to us. He says they're 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.120 making a huge mistake and that Mia wouldn't say shit 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.160 against him, But we are in court rape one assault 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:47.000 to Gray like versus langon Sexy Verse sex ha Langan 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:49.640 does the approach of how me as a liar. Bail 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:51.840 said is at fifty grand though, and he's like, great, 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.880 I'll post a SAP and Kim as quick to be like, okay, 0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:58.480 well we still have to protect our girl. So basically 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.240 we get no contact and nos allowed, and he brings 0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.360 up the Second Amendment, but Judge Arthur Cohen is like, 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.920 I'll sleep easier knowing you don't have any guns. So 0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:10.920 we cut straight to Mia stressed with Benson like at 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.000 the Upper East Side house and he's like, fuck, I 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.360 can't believe they let him out and Benson's trying to 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:18.000 reassure her he's not allowed by the house and she's like, yeah, 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.840 if he was, I'd be fucking dead. And Lenny's there too. 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.120 Mia has no family, her parents are dead and she 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.360 was the only child and they only hang out with 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.840 Brent's friends, so they'll never believe her. And he cut 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:31.800 all her cards. She tried to go to the grocery store. 0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.680 No money, so no debit, no credit cards at all. Yeah. 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:41.080 I think women should be given basic income by the 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:46.520 government at all times so people can escape. Yeah. Yeah, 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.880 and I and it increases if you have kids. I 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.640 just feel like that's what I believe. 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:52.680 Yeah. 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.440 Yeah, if there's so much domestic violence happening, Like, I 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.320 just feel like the government should be just paying women 0:29:58.360 --> 0:29:59.000 into a fund. 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.160 Yeah. Always like make sure you have your own bank account. 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.360 I feel I don't know, I know that that's probably 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.520 impossible in this girl situation, but if you can, I know, 0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.000 it seems fun right after you get married, combo everything, 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:12.120 but it's like have your own resources. 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.480 You never know what's going to happen. No, but this 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:18.400 is like you know, she goes into it. He's like 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.880 a classic abuser. He knows exactly how to ice sight 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.120 and do all of that. And it starts small, and 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:26.960 it starts cool where he's like, I don't want you 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.560 to work and she's like, oh cool, hell yeah yeah, 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.440 and then a nightmare ensues. But yeah, so she has 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.280 no money anymore, and Lenny's like, well, maybe you can 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:38.280 go to a shelter. And then this is my favorite 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.960 line reading of all time. Cleo Duval is just like 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:44.760 like a homeless person. She's disgusted by this idea. She's like, 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.400 I grew up super poor and now I'm on the 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:47.880 Upper East Side and I have to go back to 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.760 eating government cheese. And Benson's like, don't worry, you'll get 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:52.680 a divorce, you'll get money. She goes, no, I signed 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.440 a prenup. She met Brent at eighteen. He made her 0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:58.000 drop out of college and she's fully dependent on him 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.800 and she's never had a job, and Ben's she goes, listen, 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:03.960 I know this won't be easy, but you'll make a 0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.720 new life. Lenny tells a story about a friend of 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.680 hers who escaped a domestic abuse man and now is 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.240 with a man who really really loves her, who'd rather 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.800 die than hurt her, and then she tells me, like, 0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.920 you deserve this too, so she packs up, gets her 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.240 ID and papers, and heads off to the shelter. The 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.960 camera pauses on Lenny with the dramatic music for a 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:27.000 moment as she contemplates. Now we're in a safe house 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.880 in Brooklyn on November fourth, and Benson's listing off all 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:33.719 the rules and the therapy schedule as Mia wheels her 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.920 stuff in and she is not happy. She's like, I 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:37.760 like that Brent is free and now I'm in a 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.320 prison and Benson's like, the rules are here to help you, 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.440 and she cuts her off, like I know all about rules, okay, 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.440 Like you don't have to fucking tell me. Brent has 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:45.960 a ton of them, and before that it was my 0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:49.120 fucking mean dad. She's like, I can't remember a time 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.800 when someone did not tell me what to do. And 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:53.640 we're at a walk and talk back at the precinct 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:57.400 with Benson and Stabler chatting about the case. Trevor Langen 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.640 walks right in as Stabler goes Brent's go to prison, 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.640 and he says, I don't think so Mia recanted her 0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:07.560 charges on video, so they're like, well, I bet he 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:09.800 forced her, and he goes no, she was just guilty. 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.240 She just has a guilty conscience. And I'm just so 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.440 glad that he grew as a character. And because he's 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:17.440 so hot and you know, with a Marishka, maybe we 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.680 let it slide. But he is a real piece of 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.280 shit for a long time on this show. 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:26.360 Yeah, he loves calling victims liars, reframing the narrative. 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.959 Like yeah, but I also don't understand how you're so proud, 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:30.960 like you did see the bruises. I know that's his 0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:34.840 job and he's being I'm assuming paid very well by 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:38.640 this rich man, but like, you don't think you're wrong, 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.440 Like I just the glee he could have been, Like fuck, 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.440 you know she recanted. This sucks, but like the glee 0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.200 that he finds and I hope after you know, he 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.520 lives with guilt for the rest of this character's life, 0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.040 this non real person. But I just what a piece 0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.560 of shit. Benson starts to rush out like fuck, I 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:56.719 gotta talk to her, and he's like he's she's at 0:32:56.760 --> 0:33:00.600 home with her husband. Brent opens the door and Hefner's 0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.560 style outfit while his wife is making him brunch. She 0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:05.840 wants to check on her as like a wellness check 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:09.200 and threatens him and like he will be arrested if 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.480 he tries to stop anything, and he is so mad, 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:14.200 he's seething because he can't hit her, so he has 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:15.880 to let her in for a wellness check and he 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.560 yells me up, come here, and it's so common, it's 0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:22.000 just like really fucking disgusting, and then he condescendingly and 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.160 quietly to Benson, goes, please. She walks in and says 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.760 everything's fine, and Benson is like, are you sure. Maybe 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.480 a shelter wasn't a good idea, but there's other options, 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.360 and she's like, I want to be home with my husband. 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.680 I made a mistake, Brent forgave me, and now please 0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.080 let us get on with our lives. And he says yeah, 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:41.280 and our breakfast and waves condescendingly. If you can imagine, like, 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:42.440 I don't know, how do you. 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.560 Describe this wave like a little bait, like the way 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:46.880 you would wave to a kid. 0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:50.560 Like hi, you know, like bye bye? You know, yeah, 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.440 really not a good wave. And then he goes, oh, 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:58.440 and tell your partner, like my gun's back. Ugh. Benson 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.120 leaves hesitantly, and you know she's not gonna leave, so 0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.000 she goes down to Lenny in the laundry room after 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.760 Jonah let her in. She's like, so much for helping Mia, 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.560 and Benson's like, she wasn't ready and I pushed her. 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.560 And I agree with Lenny here, like spare me your 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:15.120 self pity. This is one of Benson's flaws. She's always 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:18.120 making it about her some not always. I'm not gonna 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.640 say that about our queen, but like I hate when 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:24.560 it's like it's my fault. Oh it's me, And it's like, okay, yeah, 0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:26.200 what do you want from us? It is your fault. 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:27.839 You did make a mistake. You might have pushed her 0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.640 too much, like it was too drastic, Like spare me 0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.719 the self pity. I like that. Lenny just does not 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:35.920 have it. But then I turn on Lenny, don't worry. 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.640 And then Lenny's just like, so you care, but Mia doesn't, 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.319 So what's the fucking use? And Benson sees a door 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.840 a few stares up in the laundry room. She's like, 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.000 where does this lead? And Mia responds it's the old 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.280 servant steps and that they share the laundry, and before 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.600 Benson even says anything, Lenny is like, oh no, you're 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.160 not staying here. And Benson's like, it's the only way 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.520 for me to protect Mia, and Lenny is like, she 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:01.000 made her bed, now she can lie in, which is 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:05.720 quite harsh. Lady, Yeah. And also this is so classic SVU, 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:10.800 like she cannot stop doing the laundry. She cannot and 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.880 she's straight up as like, go home, detective, but she can't, 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:15.839 and she starts reminding Lenny of the story of her 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.800 old friend she was talking about from earlier, and finally 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:22.640 she gives in while violently scrubbing out a stain, and 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.120 we cut to Benson in the laundry room reading the paper, 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:27.920 and right as she puts down the paper and sighs, 0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.759 we hear screams from upstairs. He is screaming at Mia 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:32.560 to get on her knees, and she's like, I'm sorry, 0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.080 I'm sorry, and he's like that's not enough. You're Sorry's 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.080 me nothing, And she's like, let go of me, and 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.600 he's like, don't tell me what to do, you stupid. 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.080 And while the yelling is happening, Benson is trying to 0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:45.000 kick down the door and finally it breaks. She runs 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.359 up the stairs and we see her shocked face as 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:51.279 she says, oh my god, and Mia is straight up 0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:54.040 standing over the kitchen island staring at Benson with a 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:57.640 knife straight in her heart all the way in. He 0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:02.239 stabbed her so deep. Knife is just like it's bad. 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.960 It's like I don't think it's sternum, but it's just 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.520 the center of the chest. It's long heart. It's like 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.760 there's this is a this is a gruesome attack. 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.319 And it's like because he doesn't have his guns to 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.120 like threaten with, and he's probably not as good with 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.600 a knife or something, because it's like, did you want 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:21.959 a killer? Like don't you like having this person around 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:24.080 that you can just like absolutely abuse and have it 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.640 You're buck and call like did you like you know 0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:29.839 what I mean? Like you could have just slashed her, 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.160 like there's other ways to hurt her, but he stabbed 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:33.399 her right in the fucking heart. 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.879 That's like no accident, you know, no. And I mean 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.520 this is why it's so important to help victims escape 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.799 because this is mostly how women die is at the 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:46.799 hands of the partner where it's like one throw too 0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.600 strong at the wall and that's that or your throat, 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.760 you know what I mean? Right, right, it's quote unquote 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.920 an accident, But you were trying to hurt her. 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:57.520 You maybe weren't trying to kill her, but you were 0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:58.640 still trying to hurt her, you know. 0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:03.839 Yeah, but and we you know, we know this now, 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.280 but like and once a woman is pregnant, the chances 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:11.080 of being murdered by your domestic partner raises so much eye. 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:14.920 Yeah, but we never find out if she was by 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.960 the way, we don't know if she was pregnant. Yeah, 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.719 probably too early to tell anyway, because he kills her 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.760 like right out, like days after this, the marital rape. 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.960 Yeah, it's just like having someone that's just like scared 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.160 of you at all, Like what a horrible life like. 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.520 This episode is one of the more powerful episodes of 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:36.600 this show. But this guy's a coward and he starts 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.960 screaming she attacked me. Benson throws his ass on the 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.239 ground and cuffs him and then runs to attend to 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.839 me convulsing on the floor and tells Lenny to call 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.400 nine one one. She can't breathe though, and there's blood 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:52.400 pouring from her mouth, squirting from the knife she's trying 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.640 to contain it, and she just dies on the floor, 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.960 fully covered in blood, and Benson is shocked and Lenny 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.680 can't even dial the phone because she's so horrified by 0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:05.560 what she is just witnessed. And Benson's walking and we 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:09.239 hear Craigan ask how she's holding up, and Benson is like, 0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:12.280 how do you think? And he's like, you did everything 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:13.960 you could and she's like, I could have arrested her 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:16.360 for filing a false rape report, and it's like, Babe, 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:18.520 you slept in a laundry room. You did the best 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.839 you could. Craigan also says, I've never seen you lock 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.279 up a victim, and she's like, oh god, I should have. 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:26.560 You know, she would have been alive. And Craigan's like, 0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:28.560 sooner or later, like this would have happened me and 0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:31.360 made her choice. And Benson's like, are you fucking blaming 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.600 the victim? Is it her fault? And he goes no, 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:37.120 but it's also certainly not your fault. Benson walks out 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.040 of the apartment and we see a blood soaked shirt 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:43.279 and Lenny is like, oh, are you happy now. It's like, geez, bitch, 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:47.920 she is cutthroat. So then Lenny goes, was it worth it, Olivia? 0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:50.800 You couldn't leave her alone? You just pushed and pushed 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:54.040 for what for that? And she runs into her apartment. 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.759 Jonah calls for her and says, don't let him get 0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:00.560 away with it, And in that moment, Benson stares into 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.520 the cop car and stares at Brent, and he's in 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:05.320 the backseat crying, trying to act like he fucking cares. 0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:07.960 He's crying because his life is over. He doesn't fucking 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:10.600 care that he killed his wife. Yeah, it's like a 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.440 cop was hidden in your crawl space, dude, Like, you're 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:14.359 not getting away with this. 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:18.120 No, And we're in the lab with o'haleran, and he 0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:21.480 also said the evidence is solid like a rock, and 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:25.000 the suspect kit on him doesn't show a scratch. So 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:28.440 he's going away for life. There's no self defense, like, 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:31.240 there's no shot in how he's not going to jail forever. 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.120 And I know it's bad to do this, and we 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.719 get mad at the detectives for doing it, but I 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.200 hope he gets the shit beat out of him every 0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.920 single day in prison. Yeah, And he tells her that 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:45.239 they also solved another murder and she assumes, like, oh, 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:48.600 he's killed before, but o'haleran's like, no, not unless he 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:52.600 started young and had a sex change. What is going on? Basically, 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.279 they found fingerprints on the kitchen phone that matched an 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:58.239 old homicide from nineteen seventy four of a man named 0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.640 Vincent Creswell who was shot six times in his sleep 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.520 in his apartment, and then says his wife Caroline was 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:07.720 arrested at the scene, hands her a photo and says 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:09.879 and then she escaped and has been a fugitive ever 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:14.320 since the early seventies. And it's Lenny. It's fucking Lenny 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:19.600 Casey is shocked. Yeah, this is such a good show. 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:24.200 And this is Brenda Blethin, by the way, And she's 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.920 a star of stage, TV and film for forty years 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.240 eighty seven credits, and from twenty eleven to twenty twenty 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:33.560 two she was the star of the show Vira, which 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:38.440 is a murder mystery series set in Northumberland, Northumberland on 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:42.040 the England Scotland border. I bet my parents have definitely 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:43.080 seen that. They love and. 0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:47.200 Definitely your uncle. Yeah, yeah, they love this masterpiece shit. 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.000 But I do too, Like as I'm getting older, I'm 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:51.440 like I'm becoming them. I love British like crime shows 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:55.040 so much. I want to watch it, if you know. 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.720 I Yeah, I love that part of the world too. Yeah, 0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:01.399 and I forget where where I know her name from. 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.480 She was nominated for something I feel like in one 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:09.920 year on the in the I can't remember. Yeah, I 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:13.280 think for Oscar she was, But like now i'm she's 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:17.200 a Golden Globe, BAFTA and cons Festival Award and two 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:19.040 Academy Award nominations. 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:19.759 What are they? 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:23.200 So? Let me see what they're for Best Supporting Actress 0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:24.840 and Best Actress. 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.160 Yeah, tell me you found it, because I'm not so. 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.680 She was nominated in nineteen ninety nine for Best Actress 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.840 in a Supporting Role for someone called Little Voice, Okay, 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:35.600 then in nineteen ninety seven for Best Actress in a 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:37.799 Leading Role for someone called Secrets in Line. 0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:39.440 Yeah, that's what I was saying before. I was like, 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:41.279 when I saw Secrets and Lies in her IMDb, I'm like, 0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:42.480 I'm pretty sure that's her big way. 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.160 I never saw it. She was nominated for an Emmy 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:48.680 for this Oh really, Yeah, it says two thousand and 0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:51.879 nine nominee Outstanding Guest Actress and a Drama Series Law 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:54.720 and Order SVU for playing Lenny. Yeah. 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:57.399 But I don't think she didn't win, because I think 0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:01.400 the only people who have ever won are Yeah, I'm like, 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:08.680 who's won? Cynthia and Courtillard for no, no, the other 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:10.840 French woman. It's not Mary on Coutiard, but it's I 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:12.879 know it's French Isabelle u Pear. 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:17.239 Yeah, yeah who. Neo Baer begged to be in it 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:20.560 and said, babe, I'll get you an emmy, just do this. Yeah. 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.319 He was right, he delivered, He delivered. I think other 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:26.680 people have been nominated, but those are the two big winners. 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.960 I wonder if a man has ever But she won 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:34.200 the BAFTA for Secrets and Lies. And we're back to 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.720 looking at the photo while behind her is present day Lenny, 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.680 and she's explaining that she's been dreading this day for 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.440 thirty four years. Her husband wheels in and he's like, 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:46.040 what's going on? And she had never told him, and 0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.200 he's like, wait, what the fuck? When did this happen? 0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:50.960 And she met her husband three weeks after she escaped 0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:54.360 from jail. She slept in churches and on the subway 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.719 and stole food and wallets, and one night it was 0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.279 pouring rain and she went into the diner and bought 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:01.279 a bowl of soup, and he saw her sitting there, 0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:03.799 wet and cold. She told him that she was there 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:06.520 on vacation and a con man hustled her at the airport, 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:09.839 so she lost her suitcase, money, everything, and Jonah took 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:11.799 her home and saved her life. And then we go 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.439 into a famous SVU cut back and forth from each 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:17.560 of them talking about each other, and that day she 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:19.839 says he was an answer to a prayer. She says 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:22.880 he was a character out of a Dickens novel, like orphanage. 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.799 She had nothing, no parents, no, Then she says her 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.160 parents disowned her after the arrests, and Benson asked if 0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.160 she ever wanted children, and he says, we tried for years, 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:35.200 but she was infertile. And then she tells Benson though, 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.200 the truth, which is that she was on birth control 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:39.600 all these years because if she had a kid, then 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:41.600 she would go back to jail and lose her kids. 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.839 So she just couldn't do it. So this is so complicated, 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:46.879 and I think this episode does a really great job 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.719 of showing how complicated abuse is and being a woman is. 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.880 And I'm just impressed with sview. Over and over again. 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.879 She said she's been living in fear of being recognized 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.799 every day and that's why there's no travel, no work, 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:02.480 and he's like, is their marriage even legal? Like I 0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.640 don't even know her name. Her name was Caroline, but 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:08.359 that name is dead and she is Lenny now, which 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:09.960 is a really cute and unique name. I don't know 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.120 how she came up with it. Benson asks what happened? 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.000 So basically they met at seventeen in her and Vincent 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.919 at an anti war protest. Vin since the dead man 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.200 that she shot. Okay, so they met at seventeen at 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:24.560 an anti war protest. Vinnie was standing on stage doing poetry. 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:26.920 She said it wasn't good, but he was passionate. And 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:30.200 this truly does describe how most male comedians get dates, 0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:35.560 like they're so terrible, but I guess you know, it's 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:40.440 all they care about, so it feels like passion. Yeah, 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.440 they fell in love and with each other and the 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:46.640 anti war movement. But then the war ended, but he 0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:48.520 just wouldn't move on, and he was still just like 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:51.000 super angry and a failed poet, and he took his 0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.319 anger out on her because his poems really sucked, and 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.440 he blamed her for his bad poems and it's like 0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.920 fuck you. But he liked boozs and drugs and he 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.600 would beat her up all the time Bruce's black eyes. 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.440 One time he choked her until she passed out and 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.080 then bought a gun, and when he was drunk he 0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.400 would talk about using the gun for suicide. And then 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.279 one time he was like, I'm gonna shoot you and 0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:14.600 then I'm gonna take my own life, and she knew 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:16.920 he meant it, and so she had to get away. 0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:23.040 And Benson's like, why didn't you leave? Which knows that's 0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:25.840 not a good question, right, I guess we all always 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.400 want to ask it, Like, I don't know, did you 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:30.960 ever watch the Julia Roberts movie Sleeping with the Enemy? 0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:36.280 Yes, huge scary movie of my child scary? 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.480 Why did you watch it as children? I don't know. 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.160 It was definitely like a we're gonna watch Sleeping with 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.400 the Enemy this weekend like an event, Like it was 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.680 so scary and there's barely any like blood in it. 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.880 It's just like the scariness of that man. And is 0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:53.000 that man in it? 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:54.480 Is he not? Hold on? 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:56.920 I know we're doing a lot of fucking imdbing right now. 0:45:56.960 --> 0:46:00.000 Can I just look up one thing? Wait, they should sponsor? 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.960 Why is IMDb not doing ads on our podcast? Like? 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:06.520 What what are they doing? Patrick Bergen, Oh. 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:09.120 Patrick Bergen, I was thinking of a different guy, never mind, 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:10.960 but this guy. 0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:15.680 Is scary, scary. But yeah, I just remember like the cans, 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:17.960 like she had to keep all of the cans up 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:22.480 food in one direction. But that's how crazy it is, 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.160 because how did he find her? Because she fakes her 0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:30.120 own death, like fakes the drowning, and then when. 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.160 He finds her, she goes into her pantry, right, and 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.640 all the cans are organized, and that's when she knows 0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:37.319 he's found her. Right. 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:41.640 Yeah, I'm like getting chills. I'm like scared already. 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:43.839 Like truly one of the first movies that I think 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:50.279 really really dramatized like the terror of domestic violence. You know, 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:53.040 I don't feel like a lot of movies were doing 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:54.439 that before that one. 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:56.960 That was a big one. I also just don't know 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:58.920 how that's I just can't believe. I watched it as 0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:01.040 a child, Like it came out out in nineteen ninety one. 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:05.439 I was five, like, yeah, so fucked up. That's really young. 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:09.200 Maybe we saw it later, but I was still really young. 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:14.000 And she's like I was trying, okay, So she asks 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:16.880 the dreaded question, why didn't you leave? And she's like, 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.840 I was trying to and she'd been stashing away change 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:21.719 from the groce trees and she hid it in a 0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:24.480 shoe and she had almost fifty dollars. But then he 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.640 found it and he was his brain went straight to 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:31.439 you're a hooker, Yeah, to have that much cash, and 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:33.560 if she wanted to be a whore, he was going 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:35.759 to treat her like one, and then raped her and 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:39.160 she was crying and she's nodding as she's explaining all 0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.480 of this, And after he went to sleep, she took 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:44.000 the gun and shot his ass up. I'm sure the 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.040 world did not miss him or his poems. And she 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:49.239 heard the siren and the neighbors called the cops and 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:50.680 she had the gun in the hand when they broke 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:52.319 down the door, and so they took her away, and 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:54.600 she never told them that she was raped or anyone. 0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:58.279 She's never told anybody until right now. Gray Lick and 0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:01.040 Craigan are watching this whole thing go down, and they're like, 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:03.719 this sucks, Like marital rape wasn't even a crime back then. 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:05.800 They would have we would have never charged her today, 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.320 and Gray looks like, yeah, let's just give her probation 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:11.200 and then out at bat out of hell. I can't 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:14.520 even believe it. Judith Light appears and she goes, Nope, 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:17.880 not anymore. I'm going to return to the DA's office 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:24.480 for some unfinished business. She barges into interrogation and says, Hi, Caroline, 0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:27.160 remember me, And she does remember her she was the 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.959 prosecutor from the case. And she goes and I still 0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:33.239 am arrest her and charge her with escape in the 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:36.280 first degree. She's as cold as ice. Benson is shocked, 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.520 and Judith is cold as fuck. What I don't know 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:44.480 what's colder as fuck or as ice? But and she 0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.400 demands she be called by her old name, and Benson 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.360 mirandizes her. And now we're in court with her favorite 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:53.200 bailiff and defense attorney Julia Zimmer, who is from the 0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:56.920 famous episode Zebras where she suffocates in a car. Now 0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:01.400 her husband is watching with Olivia and Jonah. So Judith 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:03.239 obviously wants to lock her ass up because of the 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.880 prior escape, so that makes sense, But Julia Zimmer's like, 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:08.440 can we please do home arrass? She needs to take 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:11.920 care of her husband, and then Judith, at her worst, goes, Hi, 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:16.120 you're a nurse. At least she won't shoot him, so 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:20.560 so bitch agro like this is a These are like 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:24.120 elderly people, like I don't know, and no one, even 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:29.560 the judge is like okay, relaxed, Yeah, like every yeah, 0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:33.280 everyone is upset. But she is getting remand which sucks. 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:35.759 Benson runs to Judith, who's like, oh, are you here 0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:39.120 to fucking lecture me? And Benson's like you're being gross, 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:42.160 like what And Judith is like, Oh, you don't even know, 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:44.239 do you. You don't know what happened. You didn't ask 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:47.560 her how she escaped. So now it's storytime from would 0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:52.479 you say? Juds? So yeah, basically Lenny ak Carolyn asked 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:54.800 for a meeting for a plea bargain and she climbed 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:56.960 out the bathroom window and it was her fault and 0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:59.840 for years everyone made fun of her, so it's personal. 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.040 So now she's getting back at something from so long 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:06.279 ago that's so stupid because nobody respected her anymore and 0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:08.280 it took her a long time to get her career 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.319 back in action, and she explains how it sucked for 0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:14.160 women dumb. So the DA at the time didn't want 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:16.319 a man yelling at Caroline on the stand. It would 0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:19.960 look bad, so she got this case after he had 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:23.440 to ask for her husband's permission to try this case. 0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:26.439 So now she's going to put her in jail because 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:30.000 she set back the image of women prosecutors and because 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:33.440 Judith never got to work in homicide again. And it 0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:36.239 still seems petty. It's been forty years. We know you 0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:39.880 live in a townhouse. We've seen it, you're rich. Everything 0:50:39.960 --> 0:50:43.840 worked out, yeah, yeah, But when confronted, but I wonder 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.319 if her husband died or they got divorced or whatnot, 0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:51.399 because she wants to fuck Stabler or maybe she's just yeah, 0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:54.640 I don't know. I wonder who she's married to, like 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:58.279 a professor, we have another lawyer. I don't think. 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:01.200 I don't think we ever find out Judy's or Donnelly's 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.000 backstory or personal life. 0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:06.600 But then Benson confronts her like so for revenge, and 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:08.719 she goes, no, I got over being bitter a long 0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:11.840 time ago. I'm here for the victim, vincent, and Benson's like, 0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:15.360 she was fucking beaten. There was no shelter, and Judy 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:16.839 is like, you don't need to remind me how hard 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.880 it was for women Benson, and then she goes, listen, 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:22.399 she snowed you don't feel bad. She snowed me too, 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:24.759 and she starts reading a letter that she got from 0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:27.200 Caroline back in the day that says, please help me. 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.200 She wants to plead guilty, but she has a huge 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:32.960 problem and she needs to meet in private. So Donnelly 0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:35.600 met her and that's where she ran away. And Judith 0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:37.960 never found out like the reason she wanted to talk 0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:40.440 or anything, and believes that this is a ruse. She 0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:43.200 thinks Lenny is a big time player. So now we're 0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:46.080 at Rikers and Benson, and she tells Benson like, leave 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:49.480 me alone, what do you want? But Benson wants the truth. 0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:52.279 She wasn't planning on escaping, Lenny explains, but there was 0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:54.480 a window open and she ran. She just took it. 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:57.879 But then Benson brings out the letter and goes, tell 0:51:57.920 --> 0:51:59.840 me about this letter, or you're going to be in 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:04.919 jail forever. And I actually checked the escape you only 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:06.720 get a max of up to five years. 0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:10.320 Interesting because in my true story it's different. 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:16.240 I wonder did she get charged for both? I don't know. Yeah, 0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:20.440 I wonder because I was so curious what it was 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.359 and I looked it up and this was just like 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.560 on the Google main page of Wikipedia. It was just like, 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:27.520 you could go to prison for up to five years, 0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:31.000 but I don't know if you're serving like a life 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:33.400 sentence or like a long sentence. I think it's worth 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:35.640 trying to escape if you only get five more years. 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:36.480 Who gives a shit. 0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:40.280 If you're listening to this podcast and you're serving life, 0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:41.160 give it a shot. 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:43.759 Come on, Yeah, I would love if we had a 0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:48.080 jail population of listeners who are into our acab vibes. 0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:51.520 But even the threat of jail forever, Lenny's like, fine, 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:53.319 I don't care, I deserve it. Leave me alone. And 0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:56.200 Benson's like, just please, like, tell the jury what really happened. 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:58.480 Why did you run? She says she can't tell her, 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:01.480 and Benson keeps pushing. If you don't want to help yourself, fine, 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:04.759 but then do it for Jonah. And she's scared because 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:08.000 he won't forgive her. Benson is like, you know, Jonah 0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:09.840 deserves to know. You've been lying to him for a 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:13.279 long ass time. So finally she starts revealing more and 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:16.080 more layers to her past. So she cried and he 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:19.440 said shut up. So this is back out for the rape. 0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:22.480 So she's crying and this vincent guy tells her to 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:24.840 shut up and then puts a gun under his pillow 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:26.719 and said that that that he was going to give 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:29.279 her more of that in the morning. And then she 0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:32.640 was really disturbed because he just fell asleep, and it's 0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:35.319 like what he did to her didn't bother her, bother 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:37.600 him at all, Like it was the only thing that 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:40.160 relaxed him, Like hurting her was the only thing that 0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:42.960 made him feel good. And so she pulled the trigger. 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:45.719 There was blood everywhere. As she tells the story, it 0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:49.719 switches in a star swipe jk but from vipers to 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:53.680 her on the stand and her lawyer rests as Judith 0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:56.399 comes to punch on this old woman. Did you tell 0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:58.880 the cops you got hit? I mean, she is fully 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.760 bullying this woman. She's like, you have no proof about anything, 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:03.800 and if all of this happened, why wouldn't you just 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.719 tell a jury thirty four years ago? It's like you're 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:08.960 and then to me, I'm like, you just said how 0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:11.000 much it sucks to be a woman, and especially back 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:12.799 in the day, and now you're pretending you don't know 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:14.680 this stuff when you're like, why don't you tell the 0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:17.520 cops all this information? Yeah, tell the jury it's just 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:20.960 like she's not being consistent, she isn't just like a 0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.440 fit of her own self centered rage, and she's really 0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:25.960 not seeing outside of it or acknowledging that this is 0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:29.560 really revenge, Like you know why people don't tell cops anything. 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:33.440 Jenny looks at Olivia in the stands and it gives 0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:36.759 her power, just the sight, so she starts to talk 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:40.399 while crying, even though she really doesn't want to, and 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:42.920 Judith light thinks that she didn't come to court because 0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.239 she was guilty and she knew it. And finally she 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:48.680 cries out, I was pregnant, and they show Jonah, who 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:50.760 is so mad in her and a lot of emotions 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:52.879 on his face and his whole life is crumbling down 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:55.560 around him. Judith won't let up and is like, come on, 0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:58.160 so now you're gonna say that hormones made you do it? 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:02.560 I mean, it's wild. So then she explains she ran 0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:05.400 so she can get an abortion, and Judas stops in 0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:08.000 her tracks and is shocked and understanding all of a sudden, 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:10.960 like I think it all fucking hit her in that moment, 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:13.440 because you can't get an abortion in prison, and she 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:15.919 didn't want to have that man's baby, like, she didn't 0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:18.399 care about going to prison. She just didn't want this 0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:21.360 child growing inside of her, and that's why she wanted 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:23.520 to meet Judy to tell her she would plead guilty 0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:25.960 if she could just please get an abortion. But when 0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:29.160 she went to see her, she was so strong and confident, 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.600 and she was ashamed of her weakness, and she just 0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:34.480 couldn't tell her, like, how could a woman like Judith 0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:39.040 Light ever understand a woman like her? And Judy looks 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:41.720 so shocked, and you know, at least she could admit 0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:44.239 that she's wrong, and she's just like, really, you could 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:47.640 tell that she is regretting all of these decisions. Benson 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:51.000 looks really proud. She's found not guilty for murder, but 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:54.440 is found guilty on escape and they'll meet back at 0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:57.040 sentencing and Judith like is like, oh, and by the way, 0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:01.560 we recommend probation, and the judge goes, I agree, and 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:05.040 I can't wait to hear your thoughts on this, Judith Light, 0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:08.000 And then gavel gavel. On the way out, Lenny asked 0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:11.359 Judith Light why and she says an important lesson here, 0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:14.319 which I like that this is She goes, I was 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:16.880 trying so hard to be one of the boys. She 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.360 forgot why she became a lawyer in the first place. 0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:23.319 And this is something to remember. I feel like this 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:25.560 is true in comedy at times too, where you're just 0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:29.640 like say, whatever, cool guy. Yeah, Like when you start, 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:32.160 there's just so many dudes everywhere, and then you're like, 0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:38.919 oh god, all these guys are disgusting. Whatever. Yeah, they're 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:41.960 all just like cheating on their wives with subpar jokes, 0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:44.239 and then you realize how much better your life is 0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:46.399 not trying to be one of the boys. They're an 0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:51.480 inferior group. Yeah, Casey, I'm talking to you. No, So 0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:54.520 that's yeah, So I just I like that she said that. 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:57.480 So then Lenny thanks for defense attorney, and Benson and 0:56:57.520 --> 0:57:00.200 Lenny go to try to talk to Jonah and he 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:02.920 says it's over. He says, I'm happy for you, Annie, 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:05.560 but and she's like, oh no, please, don't say it. 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:08.440 And he continues and asks when did you get that abortion? 0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:11.520 And she says, when you went to the conference in Seattle. 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:14.160 And he says, every decision you and I made was 0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:17.240 based on a lie. He's like, remember I always wanted 0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:20.640 children and grandchildren and you stole that from me. And 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:23.080 she's like, no, I'm the same girl you loved and married. 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.400 But also like, was that love based on anything? Like 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:27.280 I'm sure that they've been together for so long now, 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:30.080 I'm sure it's real, but like you also just had nothing, 0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:33.479 like it could have been Jonah or someone else. 0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:36.439 Yeah, but I think that like after but after five 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:38.480 years after she was like Okay, I don't think I'm 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:40.640 getting caught, Like maybe she could have moved on if 0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:41.480 she didn't love Jonah. 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:44.480 I think she loved him, right, I think she did. No, 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:47.560 they grew into like a beautiful relationship. I'm just saying, like, 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:49.320 if it was Jonah or someone else, when you have 0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:50.920 no idea and you're on the run, like and a 0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:52.960 guy like yeah, if it was a different guy that 0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:54.760 was like I'll take care of you, I'm sure that 0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:55.479 would have been great. 0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:58.880 Yeah, but I'm sure there was something about him because 0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:00.760 he seemed like such a like like the kind of 0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:02.480 guy that goes up to a girl who's shivering and 0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:04.640 freezing over a bowl of soap and a soup and 0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:05.080 a diner. 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:07.960 You're either a really nice guy or a really evil guy. 0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:10.720 You know. Yeah, you're the guy from Dexter. Yeah, the 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:15.200 new blood him too exactly. But yeah, she's just like 0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:17.000 I'm the same girl, and he pulls away from her, 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:20.040 he cannot forgive her, and he wheels off, and she 0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:24.520 is so sad. And I mean, Benson really uncovered a lot, 0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:27.040 a lot, I don't. I mean, she could have just 0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:30.080 left everyone alone. I don't know, Like this must have 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.280 been like a two bottle of Red Knight for Olivia. Yeah, 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:36.920 this is a lot. She gets taken away and her 0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:40.480 and Olivia stare at each other, and that's that. 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:43.200 But can I just say, it's it's horrible that she 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:47.000 like doesn't have Jonah anymore. That's horrible, and like she 0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:49.040 is gonna have to kind of start over. But in 0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:52.240 a way, she's free now. She can like leave Manhattan, 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:55.680 she can do like not live with like looking over 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:58.960 her shoulder the whole time. You know, Like, yeah, I 0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:01.280 do feel like it's it's like a good thing that 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:04.480 happened to Lenny. But maybe she did lose Jonah and 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:06.520 like kind of everything she knew of her life for 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:09.800 the last thirty four years or whatever. But let's take 0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:13.000 a break and we'll be right back with the several 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:19.880 true moments to discuss. 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.479 Okay, we are back, So all right. 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:34.920 So I first wanted to just touch on the Donnelly 0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:38.200 piece of this episode, because it seems that her whole 0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:41.360 point of view is based on this New Yorker article 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:45.720 called The Upstart about a woman named Leslie Crocker Snyder. 0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:47.919 Who this is. So that's the last name. 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.160 Now, that's the last name, Leslie Crocker Snyder. She's a 0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:54.680 former prosecutor and judge who twice ran for Manhattan DA. 0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:57.400 She did not win, but she was an ADA in Manhattan, 0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:00.920 and she was as she was campaign for the first time, 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:04.520 she would talk a lot about how she became a prosecutor, 1:00:04.800 --> 1:00:06.840 and she said that in nineteen sixty eight, when she 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:09.840 was twenty five, she joined the staff of the DA 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:13.480 Frank Hogan, and she kept saying, she said, quote, I 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:15.840 kept asking mister Hogan to go to the homicide Bureau, 1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:18.360 which was a big bastion of male chauvinism at the time, 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:20.400 and he kept putting me off, saying I could do 1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:23.520 I should do consumer affairs, which is where the few 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:25.880 women in the office tended to go. And then finally 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.240 one day I said, you know, come on, it's really time, 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:30.400 mister Hogan. And he said, well, if you bring me 1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:33.680 a letter of permission from your husband. So that whole 1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:36.360 letter of permission thing comes right from this article. And 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:39.120 that's what that little tidbit was based on. And I 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:41.760 just think it's interesting because I feel like Donnelly might 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.800 be fully based on this woman. She was the first 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:47.520 female to try felony and homicide cases as an ADA 1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:51.080 in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. She founded and led 1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:54.200 the Sex Crimes Prosecution Bureau, which was the first in 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:56.840 the nation. And she co authored New York State's rape 1:00:56.840 --> 1:01:00.360 shield law. And she was a legal consult an on 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:02.600 Law and Order and Law and Order Trial by Jury 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:05.240 like for Law and Order for sixty plus episodes and 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:07.320 Trial by Jury for like as many as they lasted. 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:10.840 And then she actually played a judge in three episodes 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:15.520 of Law and Order Regular, So an icon an icon. 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:20.280 But to move on, the Lenny storyline is obviously based 1:01:20.320 --> 1:01:22.800 on many stories of women who are driven to kill 1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:25.880 their abusive husbands. And there's I'm just gonna talk about 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:28.640 two cases, so and they're very they both have a 1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:31.000 little bit in common with Lenny, but not totally. As 1:01:31.000 --> 1:01:32.760 you know the show, they grab a little bit here 1:01:32.760 --> 1:01:35.600 and there. So the first case is the Marie Dean 1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:41.640 Arrington case, and Marie Errington was convicted in nineteen sixty 1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:45.200 four of the murder of her husband, Lester Jack Arrington. 1:01:45.680 --> 1:01:48.360 Jack was a former cop and a nightclub bouncer in Miami. 1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:53.080 He was killed on July fourth, nineteen sixty four, and 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:56.120 the next day his wife, Marie, turned herself in and confessed. 1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:58.200 She said it was an accident. Her lawyer said it 1:01:58.280 --> 1:01:58.960 was self defense. 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:01.680 They were arguing the car, and one witness said he 1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:04.959 saw he had seen Jack choking her in the front seat, 1:02:04.960 --> 1:02:06.320 and he went and broke them up, and then I 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:08.240 don't know what happened. He walked away and she shot him. 1:02:08.280 --> 1:02:11.480 There's barely any information about this case. It's like very 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:13.439 hard to find still, like a lot of articles where 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:14.760 you click on them and the links are dead. 1:02:15.520 --> 1:02:17.320 So the police never. 1:02:17.200 --> 1:02:20.440 Found the weapon, and so she got manslaughter and twenty 1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:24.480 years in jail, and she later admitted in an interview 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:27.520 that she had buried the gun with her husband. Now, 1:02:28.160 --> 1:02:31.240 Marie was not not that I'm victim blaming, but she 1:02:31.360 --> 1:02:32.000 was not linny. 1:02:32.120 --> 1:02:34.000 She was not like a young girl. You know. 1:02:34.120 --> 1:02:36.919 She had like honestly committed a lot of crimes leading 1:02:37.000 --> 1:02:40.520 up to this, like writing bad checks, assault, forgery, robbery, 1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:44.760 she had a rap sheet, okay, And so a few 1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:47.320 years after this murder of her husband, she had a 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:50.280 son and a daughter. Her son and a friend robbed 1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:53.280 a gas station. Nobody was hurt in this robbery, and 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:55.800 only sixty dollars was taken, which I know, in nineteen 1:02:55.800 --> 1:02:57.840 sixty eight it's more sixty dollars is more than sixty 1:02:57.840 --> 1:03:00.760 dollars now, but still not an egregious amount of mine. 1:03:00.880 --> 1:03:03.920 And he was, at eighteen years old, sentenced to life 1:03:03.920 --> 1:03:07.240 in prison and his friend got probation, which honestly sounds 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:09.439 like a lot of racist bullshit. Like Marie and her family, 1:03:09.680 --> 1:03:12.919 they are black, So like putting an eighteen year old 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:14.720 in jail for the rest of his life for robbing 1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:17.720 sixty bucks from a gas station feels like, you know. 1:03:17.760 --> 1:03:19.720 Well, especially if the other guy got probation. 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:21.840 Yeah, And I don't know what the race of the 1:03:21.840 --> 1:03:24.240 other guy was or what the story was. Maybe the 1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:26.400 son is the one that had a weapon, Like who knows, 1:03:26.520 --> 1:03:30.120 you know, there's a lot of you know things there, 1:03:30.120 --> 1:03:33.080 but it's crazy. And the same lawyer, the same defense 1:03:33.120 --> 1:03:35.320 attorney repped her daughter in a fraud case and she 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:38.000 also got jail time. So Marie was like livid at 1:03:38.000 --> 1:03:40.440 this defense attorney that he didn't get better results for 1:03:40.480 --> 1:03:42.959 her kids. So when she was out on a peel 1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:46.440 bond for her manslaughter charge, she went to his office 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:50.280 to kill him, and he wasn't there, so she kidnapped 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:54.720 his secretary, Vivian Ridder, and then she did kill her 1:03:54.880 --> 1:03:57.720 and Ridder, who had three kids. Her body was found 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:01.120 three days later in the woods near a state road 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:04.200 a few miles away from Leesburg where this happened, and 1:04:04.240 --> 1:04:06.680 she'd been shot and run over with her own car. 1:04:06.720 --> 1:04:11.520 Repeatedly like horrible, horrible. This is really layered, yeah, very layered. 1:04:11.920 --> 1:04:14.760 Marie also robbed the home of the judge who had 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:18.160 given her son the life sentence. So I don't know 1:04:18.160 --> 1:04:21.680 what her background is. It's not really documented anywhere. I'm 1:04:21.720 --> 1:04:23.720 sure she lived a life where like crime was her 1:04:23.720 --> 1:04:27.440 only option. She was described by others as quote unquote 1:04:27.480 --> 1:04:30.240 odd and a bad seed. So like, who knows, But 1:04:30.320 --> 1:04:32.480 I don't think that that. I don't know if I 1:04:32.520 --> 1:04:34.320 believe in that. I do kind of feel like that's 1:04:34.640 --> 1:04:36.480 something that happens to you as a results of things 1:04:36.520 --> 1:04:39.160 in your childhood, but not that there can't be you know, 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:41.800 born psychopaths, as there have been episodes of Law and 1:04:41.920 --> 1:04:48.440 Order chronicling. So on December sixth, it's also like what 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:49.520 you can get away with? 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:52.040 You know what I mean? Because I'm sure like rich 1:04:52.440 --> 1:04:56.360 Manhattan kids are doing the same bad stuff as like 1:04:57.240 --> 1:05:00.080 other whatever. Like if you're a rich white team and 1:05:00.160 --> 1:05:02.000 you might be doing the same thing as non white 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:05.120 rich teens, yes, and getting different punishments that then set 1:05:05.160 --> 1:05:09.880 you up for different shit too, totally exactly, yeah, like 1:05:10.040 --> 1:05:12.680 what is what is robbery? Is it stealing a candy bar? 1:05:12.800 --> 1:05:13.680 And does who get? 1:05:13.720 --> 1:05:16.240 You? Know? So, I don't know what her the depth 1:05:16.280 --> 1:05:20.080 of her charges, but now once you murder this secretary, 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:22.680 I'm out. I'm not on here, I'm not with you anymore. 1:05:23.120 --> 1:05:26.080 But so on December of nineteen sixty eight, she sentenced 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:28.560 to death for first degree murder of Vivian and a 1:05:28.640 --> 1:05:31.440 year or so later, March of nineteen sixty nine, she 1:05:31.640 --> 1:05:35.720 escapes from the Florida Correctional Institution in her pajamas by 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:39.080 cutting a window screen and jumping out, so that there 1:05:39.360 --> 1:05:40.600 could be a movie about her. 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:42.080 I know it's wild. 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:45.520 Well get this, this gets her put on FBI's ten 1:05:45.600 --> 1:05:48.160 Most Wanted Lists, making her the second woman ever to 1:05:48.200 --> 1:05:49.920 be on it. And I believe there's only ever been 1:05:49.960 --> 1:05:52.400 ten women on it, so she's one of the ten 1:05:52.440 --> 1:05:55.600 women that have been on it. She was on the 1:05:55.680 --> 1:05:58.120 Lamb for a much shorter time than Lenny, but she 1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:00.920 did make it three years, and in March of nineteen 1:06:00.960 --> 1:06:02.800 seventy two they found her and she was working as 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:05.320 a waitress to New Orleans and she got ten extra 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:07.840 years for escaping. So but that was also back in 1:06:07.840 --> 1:06:09.560 the seventies. Maybe they've changed it now, but in the 1:06:09.600 --> 1:06:12.280 seventies she got ten extra years for escaping, and then 1:06:13.040 --> 1:06:15.640 later that year her death sentence was actually commuted to 1:06:15.720 --> 1:06:19.640 life because of like US Supreme Court decisions about death penalty, 1:06:19.960 --> 1:06:22.400 and so she actually died in May of twenty fourteen 1:06:22.480 --> 1:06:25.360 in prison from heart problems at the age of eighty. 1:06:26.120 --> 1:06:29.240 Well this is wrong, but I'm for people escaping. Like, 1:06:29.360 --> 1:06:31.120 if you get to live on the lamb and you 1:06:31.120 --> 1:06:34.120 don't hurt anyone during your escape, I'm all for it. Like, 1:06:34.160 --> 1:06:36.200 good for you, Fuck the government. 1:06:36.400 --> 1:06:39.640 Yeah, but like, can people escape and not hurt people, 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:42.800 especially when you're desperate, you have no identification you have 1:06:42.880 --> 1:06:45.800 no wallet, you have no like no funds, Like you're desperate, 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:46.880 You're gonna like hurt people. 1:06:46.920 --> 1:06:51.680 I feel like, yeah, because like even because she hurt Jonah, 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:53.160 I guess in theory, you know. 1:06:53.440 --> 1:06:57.320 Yeah, but Lenny is a perfect example. Like Lenny went 1:06:57.360 --> 1:07:00.000 on the lamb and like lived a perfectly like model 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:00.800 citizen life. 1:07:00.840 --> 1:07:01.720 You know, she didn't hurt. 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:04.520 Anybody, but it does she was robbing people, it said, 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:07.120 you know, she was robbing people and stealing wallets and 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:09.840 stealing food. You know, but I don't really care about 1:07:09.840 --> 1:07:12.760 that kind of stuff anyway. That is the case of 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:16.000 Marie Dean Arrington. One more case I wanted to bring 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:19.360 up was an interesting case that I had never heard 1:07:19.400 --> 1:07:22.040 of before, even though there is a movie based on it. 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:25.600 And it is the case of Kiranjit lu Walia. 1:07:26.160 --> 1:07:28.400 And she was in. 1:07:28.320 --> 1:07:31.200 A movie that came out about two years before this 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.920 episode aired, called Provoked, So I wonder if there was 1:07:33.960 --> 1:07:38.520 some borrowing. But Kiranjit Lualia is an Indian woman who 1:07:38.560 --> 1:07:40.720 she left India nineteen seventy seven to go see her 1:07:40.760 --> 1:07:43.720 sister in Canada. In seventy nine, she goes to the UK, 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:46.600 where she marries her husband, Deepak, who's a man she's 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:49.240 only met one time before. I read in other places 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:51.480 that it was arranged. I don't know what you know, 1:07:51.520 --> 1:07:54.640 maybe it was, And she said soon into their marriage, 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:58.000 he started turning violent against her habitually beat her, raped her, 1:07:58.040 --> 1:08:01.560 and deprived her of food. Of course, her family said 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:03.920 it was her duty to stay in the marriage. They 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:05.960 offered her no help when she went to them. She 1:08:06.080 --> 1:08:08.440 tried running away, but they found her and brought her back, 1:08:08.920 --> 1:08:11.880 and she had two sons with Deepoc and so in 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:16.320 nineteen eighty nine, after a decade of abuse and after that, 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:18.840 Deepak tried to break her ankles and burn her face 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:21.760 with a hot iron. When he was asleep, she made 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:26.560 this flammable mixture out of like gas and like sodium carbonate, 1:08:26.600 --> 1:08:28.479 like I don't know all these things that she knew about. 1:08:28.520 --> 1:08:31.439 Somehow poured it over his bed and set it on fire. 1:08:32.200 --> 1:08:34.920 And she said, quote, I had decided to show him 1:08:34.920 --> 1:08:37.000 how much it hurt. At times, I had tried to 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:38.560 run away, but he would catch me and beat me 1:08:38.640 --> 1:08:40.880 even harder. I decided to burn his feet so he 1:08:40.880 --> 1:08:43.680 couldn't run after me. That's what she says. But she 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:46.200 also said in other interviews. I did not mean to 1:08:46.280 --> 1:08:48.960 kill him. I just wanted to stop him from hurting me. 1:08:49.640 --> 1:08:52.400 And so he suffered burns over forty percent of his 1:08:52.400 --> 1:08:54.120 body and then he died ten days later in the 1:08:54.160 --> 1:08:57.000 hospital from complications of the burns and sepsis. 1:08:57.160 --> 1:08:58.559 So goodbye. 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:02.120 Deepok Kiranjit, who could only speak broken English at the time, 1:09:02.200 --> 1:09:04.120 was arrested in charge with the murder and then she 1:09:04.160 --> 1:09:06.680 was convicted in December of nineteen eighty nine, and the 1:09:06.720 --> 1:09:10.160 prosecution argued that even though he had threatened her with 1:09:10.200 --> 1:09:13.320 a hot iron, she waited until he was asleep so 1:09:13.360 --> 1:09:15.479 that she had quote unquote time to cool off, and 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:17.960 it was considered like premeditated since she waited for him 1:09:18.000 --> 1:09:20.080 to be asleep, and her lawyer, but it's like. 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:21.960 Where were you the whole time where she was getting 1:09:22.000 --> 1:09:24.600 beaten for some reason. You can't take him away or 1:09:24.640 --> 1:09:27.439 punish him. But as soon as they're like, we kill 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:30.840 a despicable person, Okay, well you're going away from murder forever, 1:09:30.960 --> 1:09:35.200 it's like, yeah, so fucked yeah, so fucked up, and like. 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:39.480 Yeah, but that's like that was part of like Donnelly's 1:09:39.520 --> 1:09:42.080 argument with Lenny. It's like Lenny was arguing I was beaten, 1:09:42.080 --> 1:09:43.320 and they're like, yeah, but you waited for him to 1:09:43.320 --> 1:09:44.920 be asleep and then you shot him six times. That 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:47.640 like hardly seems like self defense. That's their thing, But 1:09:47.680 --> 1:09:50.280 so it's borrowed in the in the show. But here's 1:09:50.280 --> 1:09:53.679 the thing. Her lawyer never brought up the violence at trial, 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:56.400 never brought up that she had endured all this abuse, 1:09:56.840 --> 1:09:59.880 and they let the prosecution suggest that this happened because 1:09:59.880 --> 1:10:03.120 she she was jealous over Deepak having all these affairs. 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:07.040 So of course the way that this is framed for 1:10:07.080 --> 1:10:08.960 the jury is crazy. And this is in the UK 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:12.160 as well, so I don't know what their trial process 1:10:12.200 --> 1:10:14.280 is compared to ours. But she is found guilty of 1:10:14.320 --> 1:10:17.639 murder and sentenced to life in prison. Thankfully, in nineteen 1:10:17.680 --> 1:10:21.559 ninety two, her conviction is overturned on appeal on grounds 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:25.519 of insufficient council since she, like since a, her lawyer 1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:28.719 never brought up any of the prior abuse and Karen 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:30.840 Jet had not been made aware that she could plead 1:10:30.840 --> 1:10:34.479 guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility, which 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:37.920 I think is their version of like, you know, I 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:40.760 guess it's not real. Well, we have diminished capacity so 1:10:40.760 --> 1:10:43.680 I guess it's that. So they also added that she 1:10:43.760 --> 1:10:46.280 was suffering from severe depression when she committed the crime. 1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:49.360 I wonder why, which her new council argued had altered 1:10:49.360 --> 1:10:52.400 her decision making abilities. A retrial was ordered and on 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:55.960 September twenty fifth of nineteen ninety two, Karanjit was found 1:10:56.000 --> 1:10:59.400 guilty of manslaughter due to diminished responsibility and sentenced to 1:10:59.439 --> 1:11:01.360 three years and four months, which was the time she 1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:05.599 had already served, so she was immediately released. And her 1:11:05.640 --> 1:11:07.679 case has raised a lot of awareness about domestic violence, 1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:11.560 but specifically in families that are non English speaking immigrants 1:11:11.640 --> 1:11:16.000 in Western countries. And it helped change domestic abuse laws 1:11:16.040 --> 1:11:19.800 in the United Kingdom, which is great. And her case 1:11:20.240 --> 1:11:23.679 is known in British legal textbooks as R versus Ala Walia. 1:11:24.200 --> 1:11:26.960 And it changed the definition of the word provocation in 1:11:27.000 --> 1:11:29.920 cases of battered women, so like it instead of it 1:11:29.960 --> 1:11:33.719 reclassifies it as a manslaughter instead of a murder. And yeah, 1:11:33.720 --> 1:11:36.360 in two thousand and one, she got the she was 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:39.080 at the first Asian Women Awards getting recognized for her 1:11:39.120 --> 1:11:43.519 quote unquote strength, personal achievements, determination and commitment end quote 1:11:43.560 --> 1:11:46.840 in bringing you know domestic violence issues to Light, and 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:50.040 she wrote an autobiography with an a co author named 1:11:50.080 --> 1:11:52.559 Rahela Gupta called Circle of Light. And then in this 1:11:52.680 --> 1:11:57.200 movie called Provoked, we had Navin Andrew's Svu Alum playing 1:11:57.280 --> 1:12:02.040 Deepak and Ashwari a Rai, who's beautiful Indian actress played 1:12:02.280 --> 1:12:05.280 her role. And apparently during the screening of the movie 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:08.240 at Kahan, Karanjit set next to the actress and was 1:12:08.320 --> 1:12:10.120 just like holding her hand and crying during like the 1:12:10.160 --> 1:12:13.600 really bad parts. So I think she was involved in 1:12:13.600 --> 1:12:15.400 the process of making the movie at least. 1:12:15.280 --> 1:12:15.720 A little bit. 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:18.080 So I don't know we got that movie over here 1:12:18.080 --> 1:12:19.920 because it was kind of like a UK movie. But 1:12:20.720 --> 1:12:23.559 so a few pieces I feel like of Marie and 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:26.960 a few pieces of the other case were folded into 1:12:26.960 --> 1:12:29.200 the Linny case, but nothing was exactly the same. But 1:12:29.280 --> 1:12:32.439 I thought that these were too interesting cases. I had 1:12:32.439 --> 1:12:34.960 never heard of either of them. I don't even know 1:12:35.000 --> 1:12:36.840 what to say. The world makes me so. 1:12:36.920 --> 1:12:39.880 Mad, I know, I know, But the good news is 1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:43.519 they're just so gung ho to charge a woman with 1:12:43.560 --> 1:12:46.640 a murder for killing an abusive man like I like, 1:12:47.120 --> 1:12:49.840 I see all the time stories on our news where 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:51.880 it's like she got twenty years and all this stuff, 1:12:51.920 --> 1:12:54.400 and it's like, but none of you did anything during 1:12:54.439 --> 1:13:00.679 all the abuse times. Cool. Yeah, yeah, so thank you that. 1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:01.320 Yeah. 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:03.840 But the good news is we have an amazing guest. 1:13:04.080 --> 1:13:06.960 So that is the flip side, and so don't go anywhere. 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:16.760 We will be back with that guest. Okay, guys, our 1:13:16.800 --> 1:13:20.000 guest today on a well. I would say if Lisa 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:21.840 had made a top ten list of her guests that 1:13:21.880 --> 1:13:24.040 she wanted to have on this podcast, this one's on it. 1:13:24.120 --> 1:13:28.640 I also love this person book Lisa loves. And she 1:13:28.840 --> 1:13:31.960 is an iconic actor, a writer, a director. You know, 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:35.120 we're from nineties classics, like but I'm a cheerleader, the faculty, 1:13:35.160 --> 1:13:39.120 and she's all that. She's worked extensively in television, starring 1:13:39.120 --> 1:13:42.120 in Veep and recently co creating the show Housebroken and 1:13:42.200 --> 1:13:45.200 High School. And she's worked on features. She wrote and 1:13:45.200 --> 1:13:48.080 directed Happiest Season and The Intervention. But you know we're 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:52.960 today as the tragic character Mia Latimer. Guys, please enjoy 1:13:53.000 --> 1:13:57.719 our chat with Cleia Dubal. This is so, this is thrilling. 1:13:59.200 --> 1:14:01.479 You've been on our list since we started this podcast 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:02.200 two years ago. 1:14:02.280 --> 1:14:04.360 We are thrilled to have you. 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:06.400 That's so nice that you thought of me. 1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:12.680 Well, your episode is horrifying. It's really very exciting. 1:14:12.760 --> 1:14:17.000 I very haunting, and yet our us and our sick 1:14:17.040 --> 1:14:20.479 Freak listeners have been requesting it, asking for it. 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:24.080 So here we are. But we I would love to 1:14:24.120 --> 1:14:26.640 rewind because I've been a fan since like The Faculty 1:14:26.800 --> 1:14:29.519 and but I'm a Cheerleader. Was one of the most 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:31.559 important movies in my life. I would say, loved it 1:14:31.600 --> 1:14:33.720 so much. And we had Kathy Moriarty on. 1:14:34.400 --> 1:14:35.519 Oh Kathy's amazing. 1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:37.120 Yeah, she was so sad. 1:14:37.840 --> 1:14:39.960 Now we just need to get Natasha and it's like 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:43.240 the whole Oh yeah, and she was an she's an 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:44.120 s few alone. 1:14:44.320 --> 1:14:45.080 Oh I know that. 1:14:45.520 --> 1:14:48.519 But what I love is you've stayed good friends with 1:14:48.680 --> 1:14:51.000 like Melanie Linsky and Natasha Leone, and I feel like 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:52.800 you work with your friends so often, and they were 1:14:52.800 --> 1:14:56.120 in your movie The Intervention, and I just like love 1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:58.280 that you keep tight friends for decades. 1:14:58.760 --> 1:15:01.760 Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean we're family, you know. 1:15:01.920 --> 1:15:03.800 And then you were a judge on RuPaul's Drag Race 1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:06.519 and we're both fans, and that was did you enjoy 1:15:06.520 --> 1:15:07.599 yourself your time there? 1:15:08.080 --> 1:15:08.559 It was? 1:15:09.000 --> 1:15:12.360 It was more exciting than I could have even ever 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:16.000 hoped for. It was a real dream. It lived, It 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:18.840 surpassed what my expectation was. 1:15:19.240 --> 1:15:20.800 And do you watch this was incredible? 1:15:21.040 --> 1:15:21.760 Yes, of course. 1:15:21.760 --> 1:15:24.320 I remember when Jeff Goldbloom was like crying, he couldn't 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:27.599 believe his eyes. What drag was? I really, yes, loved 1:15:27.640 --> 1:15:28.040 that moment. 1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:30.519 I actually wrote on that season, and that was all real. 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:34.160 Jeff Goldbloom was really really gooped to be there, like 1:15:34.280 --> 1:15:36.880 he could not believe his eyes. And there was a 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:39.840 longer conversation where he really wanted everyone to explain talking 1:15:39.840 --> 1:15:41.519 to him for a long time and they were like, Jeff, 1:15:41.560 --> 1:15:42.559 we need to wrap this up. 1:15:42.800 --> 1:15:44.400 Yeah, but it's not a good look. 1:15:46.479 --> 1:15:50.840 But let's talk about your SVU journey here. So okay, 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:54.800 you do this episode like around Oh my god, I'm 1:15:54.800 --> 1:15:57.519 blanking out, like two thousand and nine or something like that, 1:15:57.960 --> 1:16:00.800 or twenty ten, probably yeah, season ten. 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:05.280 Yes, I wanted to. I actually don't know what season 1:16:05.400 --> 1:16:06.120 or year it was. 1:16:06.200 --> 1:16:11.519 I don't really think very literally linear time. 1:16:12.800 --> 1:16:14.200 We're assuming it was an offer. 1:16:15.320 --> 1:16:20.719 It was, yes, And had you like, had you watched 1:16:20.800 --> 1:16:22.680 us v you were you like, oh, this will be cool, 1:16:22.720 --> 1:16:24.080 or were you like, I just have the week free 1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:25.960 let's just do this or you know, like what was 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:27.639 your what was the vibe when you got the call? 1:16:28.120 --> 1:16:30.400 I had watched it a little bit, but I wasn't 1:16:30.439 --> 1:16:33.080 like a super fan or anything like that. But it 1:16:33.160 --> 1:16:35.840 was a real I mean, I love Marsha Harge. I thought, 1:16:35.880 --> 1:16:39.599 I think she's so cool, and it was you know. 1:16:39.560 --> 1:16:41.280 It feels like law and order. 1:16:41.800 --> 1:16:43.559 All of the law and orders really feel like a 1:16:43.640 --> 1:16:46.920 rite of passage for actors and like it I felt 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:49.600 weirdly honored to be like it was like I was 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:52.880 getting called up or something to get the call. 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:53.639 So it was. 1:16:53.800 --> 1:16:56.000 And it's also just like it's such a great job. 1:16:56.080 --> 1:17:00.120 They're so they're such a wonderful group of people, and 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:02.160 you know, you get to go to New York and 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:04.600 hang out and be on this iconic. 1:17:04.320 --> 1:17:06.800 Show and it just feels like a real like there, 1:17:06.880 --> 1:17:07.839 why would you ever. 1:17:07.720 --> 1:17:10.759 Not do that? Yeah, how did you feel reading the scripts? 1:17:10.760 --> 1:17:13.519 Where you like, what were your initial feelings? Because it's 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:14.280 so intense. 1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:17.080 It's so intense. I mean that it was intense and 1:17:17.120 --> 1:17:21.080 that it you know, it was such a it was 1:17:21.120 --> 1:17:24.120 such a cool episode and the twist and turns. Really 1:17:25.680 --> 1:17:28.000 it was not the show that I thought it was 1:17:28.080 --> 1:17:32.479 going to be you know, like when when my murder happened, 1:17:32.520 --> 1:17:34.000 I was like, well, what else is going to happen? 1:17:34.080 --> 1:17:35.559 Just reading the script, I was like, well what else 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:38.120 could possibly where could this go from here? 1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:41.800 And it just kept going. Well, speaking of the murder, 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:46.400 the can you explain the effects because the blood is 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:47.439 gushing hard? 1:17:48.080 --> 1:17:51.520 Oh, the blood is gushing hard. It was like they put. 1:17:51.280 --> 1:17:54.200 A rig this rig on me under my clothes that 1:17:54.200 --> 1:17:57.800 it was almost like a harness that had uh it 1:17:57.840 --> 1:18:03.760 had like a little metal late that the knife the 1:18:03.840 --> 1:18:07.800 knife like hooked into it so that so and then 1:18:07.840 --> 1:18:10.120 they like cut a little part out of my clothes 1:18:10.160 --> 1:18:12.280 so it was like sticking out of me. So I 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:15.559 could walk around, you know, like freely with a knife 1:18:16.080 --> 1:18:20.240 on me. And then they just like pumped blood out. 1:18:20.920 --> 1:18:23.280 I was I have never had that much fake blood 1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:25.640 on me, and it was I ended up having to 1:18:25.680 --> 1:18:28.760 take a shower in the in the brownstone that we 1:18:28.760 --> 1:18:29.519 were shooting in. 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:31.439 I had to take a shower because I had so. 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:34.519 I couldn't like they couldn't get the blood off. There 1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:35.960 was no point in trying to get the blood off 1:18:35.960 --> 1:18:37.120 because there was so much blood. 1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:41.880 Oh yeah, yu, Yeah, I was scary. Yeah, no, I 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:43.200 mean it's physically scary. 1:18:43.240 --> 1:18:45.600 And then also the situation is so scary because like 1:18:45.640 --> 1:18:49.200 I remember, like your character is just so like when 1:18:49.200 --> 1:18:51.479 she's first telling the story, you're like you really believe her, 1:18:51.520 --> 1:18:53.519 and then when you find out that she's being abused, 1:18:53.520 --> 1:18:54.840 and that every time when she goes back to him, 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:56.680 she's like, yeah, everything's fine. Like, I don't know, you 1:18:56.720 --> 1:19:00.360 did a really good job of I think capturing how 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:02.800 the hitting complicated that is. 1:19:02.960 --> 1:19:07.400 Yeah, yeah, but in Cool Things you play a rich person. 1:19:07.640 --> 1:19:10.120 Where was the word? Do you remember the wardrobe being 1:19:10.240 --> 1:19:12.559 like extra fancy? It looks pretty fancy. 1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:14.520 I don't remember. 1:19:15.720 --> 1:19:18.320 It's funny because when I think of this episode, I 1:19:18.360 --> 1:19:21.120 think of a wardrobe by warrant and at something else 1:19:21.520 --> 1:19:23.160 like that is the picture that I have in my 1:19:23.200 --> 1:19:24.840 head that I know that that is not right. 1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:28.240 I don't remember. Well, you know, I should have watched it, 1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:30.280 probably to remind myself of all. 1:19:30.360 --> 1:19:31.639 Do you watch yourself often? 1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:35.479 I tried. I don't. I don't really, I don't really. 1:19:36.240 --> 1:19:38.560 Was it hard when you're in stuff that you're directing 1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:41.720 to edit and stuff when you're in it, or not 1:19:41.880 --> 1:19:43.240 horrible horrible? 1:19:43.920 --> 1:19:46.719 Like it was like the first I mean the only 1:19:46.760 --> 1:19:50.559 time that I've ever directed myself, I was sort of fine. 1:19:50.680 --> 1:19:52.559 I was just like, whatever, I'm in the movie. I 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:56.679 did this to myself and I wouldn't didn't really pay 1:19:56.680 --> 1:19:59.320 that much attention to myself in it. And then when 1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:01.519 we started to test screenings, and like, there were a 1:20:01.520 --> 1:20:03.240 couple of people who were like, oh, I thought that 1:20:03.320 --> 1:20:04.920 maybe you're like a little over at the top of 1:20:04.960 --> 1:20:06.800 that moment, I was like, well, I'm never gonna ask again. 1:20:07.360 --> 1:20:09.320 I shouldn't have done this like it. And then I 1:20:09.400 --> 1:20:11.439 turned on myself and I tried to cut myself out 1:20:11.479 --> 1:20:13.760 of the movie completely, and the editor was like, you 1:20:13.800 --> 1:20:16.720 can't do it. You just can't do it, like you 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:20.080 just tone down that one moment. It was really excruciating. 1:20:20.200 --> 1:20:20.720 I hated it. 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:24.559 I'll never do it again, never really image just acting. 1:20:24.720 --> 1:20:25.720 I mean never say never. 1:20:25.800 --> 1:20:28.960 But I I don't understand like that those actors who 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:33.000 are who cast themselves as the lead in their own movies, 1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:36.120 and just like, how can you like that's I just 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:37.160 don't think I would ever. 1:20:37.080 --> 1:20:39.760 Have the confidence to do that. 1:20:40.040 --> 1:20:43.759 Seems crazy. Now. Was the movie based on a couple 1:20:43.840 --> 1:20:47.599 in your life that you know and judged? No, it 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:51.440 was wait, which movie are you talking about? Just The Intervention? 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:52.360 The Intervention? 1:20:52.640 --> 1:20:57.040 Okay, No, it was really based on me and this 1:20:57.200 --> 1:20:59.920 time in my life where I was like a very 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:05.360 pretty active alcoholic and was like not doing very well 1:21:05.760 --> 1:21:10.080 in any in any area of life, and yet I 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:14.120 was I always would thought I knew what was best 1:21:14.160 --> 1:21:16.160 for everyone else because I was just like not paying 1:21:16.200 --> 1:21:19.040 attention to my own life. I was really just like, well, 1:21:19.040 --> 1:21:20.920 why is that person doing this? They should be doing this. 1:21:21.000 --> 1:21:24.000 I was like real like armchair quarterback for everyone else's lives. 1:21:24.040 --> 1:21:26.439 And then I had this like, I mean it was 1:21:26.479 --> 1:21:30.400 really getting sober. I got so like I had already 1:21:30.439 --> 1:21:34.800 written the movie, a draft of the movie, and as 1:21:34.840 --> 1:21:37.000 I was sort of like starting to wrestle with this 1:21:37.080 --> 1:21:39.000 idea of like maybe I shouldn't be drinking anymore. 1:21:39.040 --> 1:21:40.320 And then it really kind of. 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:44.599 Evolved more once I got sober, and then was like, oh, 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:48.240 this is like this is this is me thinking that 1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:51.760 like avoiding my own problems and thinking that I know 1:21:51.840 --> 1:21:54.040 what's best for everybody else and focusing on that. 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:56.519 Yeah, I feel like I've just been read fully, but 1:21:57.280 --> 1:22:03.320 I feel I really to that. Yeah. I actually was 1:22:03.360 --> 1:22:07.479 grabbing this wine glass as you said, and I was like, oh, 1:22:07.479 --> 1:22:11.479 I'll put it right right back. Okay, back to se 1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:14.880 you was your TV husband normal? Like what was his 1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:17.479 vibe of, Oh yeah. 1:22:17.360 --> 1:22:19.200 Totally nice guys so nice? 1:22:19.280 --> 1:22:21.880 Yeah, it's I always feel bad for the guys who 1:22:21.880 --> 1:22:24.680 have to play the really bad guys, because yeah, I 1:22:24.680 --> 1:22:27.040 feel like they have then are like overcomment sating to 1:22:27.120 --> 1:22:28.400 be like, I'm not really like this. 1:22:28.479 --> 1:22:31.120 I'm actually a pretty nice guy. You know, I have 1:22:31.160 --> 1:22:31.519 a dog. 1:22:31.840 --> 1:22:34.280 We talked to so many of them and they're all like, yeah, 1:22:34.320 --> 1:22:36.599 people come up to us on the subway and. 1:22:36.560 --> 1:22:39.040 Are like you can't hit women or whatever, and they're like, 1:22:39.200 --> 1:22:40.840 you don't. We're not, that's not who we are. 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:45.479 So people, Yeah, the audiences really take it seriously. 1:22:45.640 --> 1:22:47.960 I mean, you can hit women. That's true. 1:22:48.200 --> 1:22:50.439 That's true. That's true, and he should know that. 1:22:51.000 --> 1:22:51.360 Yeah. 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:54.760 But when you so, speaking of people coming up to you, 1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:56.040 what do you get when people come up to you 1:22:56.120 --> 1:22:58.320 for the most do you find. 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:03.559 I mean it's it's really like kind of a I 1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:06.200 don't know if there's just one. I feel like it's 1:23:06.240 --> 1:23:09.360 but I'm a cheerleader. The faculty and veep. 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:12.080 Yeah, people like what they watch. 1:23:12.200 --> 1:23:14.679 Yeah, we're huge beep, like, did you get to work 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:17.160 with Maloney on Veep? No? 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:21.360 But his character on VIEP was so funny. 1:23:21.920 --> 1:23:24.720 I'm just wondering because in this SVU you're so you 1:23:24.760 --> 1:23:26.400 do so much one on one with Marishka, But I 1:23:26.439 --> 1:23:28.840 don't think Christopher Maloney is even in it. 1:23:28.920 --> 1:23:32.400 Is he like on a break this episode? Like I yeah, 1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:33.000 and then you? 1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:34.600 And then I was wondering, Oh wow, that would be 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:36.599 so fun if she actually did get some Maloney FaceTime 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:37.040 at VIEP. 1:23:37.080 --> 1:23:38.720 But I guess not. 1:23:40.800 --> 1:23:43.320 And your character was so interesting because I had seen 1:23:43.320 --> 1:23:44.639 you in a lot of things, but I had never 1:23:44.680 --> 1:23:48.040 seen you be somebody like so stoic and like so serious. 1:23:49.040 --> 1:23:50.520 This is a cool departure. 1:23:51.040 --> 1:23:53.200 It was a really fun It was a fun character. 1:23:53.320 --> 1:23:57.479 Hard to stay so blank when everyone else is so funny, 1:23:57.520 --> 1:23:59.639 but I figured out how to slip into his own. 1:24:00.280 --> 1:24:02.720 Yeah. It was like a funny joke in itself. Just 1:24:02.760 --> 1:24:06.160 you existing was like such a fuck you to the VEEP. 1:24:08.640 --> 1:24:12.120 Oh this I sometimes I asked way two specific questions 1:24:12.120 --> 1:24:16.439 and then I feel bad, but nurse a moment well, 1:24:16.479 --> 1:24:18.120 because sometimes we'll talk to people and they're like that 1:24:18.160 --> 1:24:20.200 was fifteen years ago. I don't know why you'd think 1:24:20.200 --> 1:24:23.200 I'd remember that audition and I'm like, well, we're worried 1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:25.360 about it. But there was a line read where she 1:24:25.439 --> 1:24:27.519 was explaining what has to happen to you to like 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:29.880 leave this man, and when they brought up the shelter, 1:24:29.960 --> 1:24:32.920 you were like like a homeless person. And I just 1:24:33.040 --> 1:24:35.599 really liked that line read see you too. 1:24:35.840 --> 1:24:39.519 I know, well I should have watched it. I should 1:24:39.560 --> 1:24:41.439 have watched it. Is it a scene with me and 1:24:41.920 --> 1:24:43.080 with the three ladies? 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:46.840 I think it's it's you and Marishka, and I think 1:24:46.880 --> 1:24:48.080 maybe the neighbor. 1:24:48.360 --> 1:24:51.320 But well, how was it like working with Brenda Blevin? 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:53.080 It was great? It was really cool. 1:24:53.200 --> 1:24:56.320 She's like a pretty Yeah, she's like a legendary lady. 1:24:57.160 --> 1:24:59.000 It was because there was a scene with the three 1:24:59.160 --> 1:25:00.800 It's kind of coming back to me now. There was 1:25:00.840 --> 1:25:02.720 a scene with the three of us right where we're 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:05.360 all talking about what I'm going to do. 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:08.680 And You're like remember reveal like how you you grew 1:25:08.760 --> 1:25:10.839 up poor and like you know, what are you supposed 1:25:10.840 --> 1:25:11.439 to do now? 1:25:11.560 --> 1:25:15.400 And yeah, I think that I maybe it was having 1:25:15.400 --> 1:25:17.679 a hard time with that scene. I'm having a memory 1:25:17.720 --> 1:25:20.320 where maybe I was struggling a little bit with that scene. 1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:23.200 It's always every job I do, there's always one scene 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:23.960 that undoes me. 1:25:24.120 --> 1:25:27.000 And I think that was that. I think that's the one. 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:30.719 I don't know why, like all the scenes. 1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:34.559 No, No, it's like a it's a very weird, random 1:25:34.680 --> 1:25:36.800 thing that happens where it's just like, well I don't 1:25:36.800 --> 1:25:37.160 know how. 1:25:37.040 --> 1:25:39.840 To do the scene, and so what you do? You 1:25:39.920 --> 1:25:40.479 nailed it. 1:25:40.920 --> 1:25:42.559 You just keep going. You just keep going, and then 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:46.000 you trust the director. You just go. You're like, is 1:25:46.000 --> 1:25:48.120 this what you want? Doing the thing that you want? 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:53.479 Like, actors have no idea what like, they cannot ever 1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:55.240 know how they're coming across. 1:25:55.320 --> 1:25:58.040 So like that's when you really that's why. 1:25:58.120 --> 1:25:59.760 I mean some actors don't need it, but like some 1:26:00.240 --> 1:26:03.320 really rely on the director to help them know if 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:04.240 they're on the right track. 1:26:04.240 --> 1:26:05.200 And I am one of those. 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:07.000 Actors for sure. Yeah, which is why. 1:26:06.960 --> 1:26:09.960 Working with myself as a director was a nightmare. Everything 1:26:10.040 --> 1:26:11.360 I did, I was like, that sucks. 1:26:11.400 --> 1:26:12.439 You shouldn't have done it like that. 1:26:13.120 --> 1:26:13.680 Yeah. 1:26:13.760 --> 1:26:16.559 I've done like small acting parts and like I did 1:26:16.600 --> 1:26:18.040 one where I just kept asking the director. 1:26:18.080 --> 1:26:19.360 I was like, is this it? Is this what you want? 1:26:19.439 --> 1:26:21.120 Speaking of they had me in like full of Lane 1:26:21.160 --> 1:26:23.120 Venis's hair from like because it was a flashback to 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:26.559 the late ladies and like or early nineties, and I 1:26:26.680 --> 1:26:28.040 was like, is am I doing the right thing? And 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:30.040 he just kept going yeah, whatever, and I was like, no, 1:26:30.400 --> 1:26:31.439 I need you to tell me. 1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:35.920 Yeah, So I mean, yeah, whatever is not the response. 1:26:36.160 --> 1:26:39.160 Yeah that is like yeah, yeah, you're doing it. And 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:41.160 I was like, it doesn't really I don't believe you. 1:26:41.760 --> 1:26:45.800 Yeah, maybe that's on me, So we are so obviously 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:49.240 you're sorry. I was just gonna say, like, obviously, your 1:26:49.800 --> 1:26:53.000 like experience as an actor informs your experience as a director. 1:26:53.000 --> 1:26:54.840 You do, you just like take all that with you. 1:26:54.960 --> 1:26:57.320 So when actors are like leaning on you, you know what 1:26:57.360 --> 1:26:59.680 that's how important that is, And like. 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:03.639 Yeah, absolutely, you know. It's also that every actor is different. 1:27:03.760 --> 1:27:07.240 You know, there's no sort of like you know, blanket 1:27:07.320 --> 1:27:09.680 direction that you can give to every single person on 1:27:09.720 --> 1:27:12.479 the cast, Like everybody's going to need something different and. 1:27:12.800 --> 1:27:16.719 Right, Yeah, I just worked with one director who's like, what, 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:19.800 what do you need? And I said positive reinforcement. But 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:21.840 then it sucks me up because I didn't believe any 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:24.599 of the compliments because I fully asked for them, and 1:27:24.640 --> 1:27:26.800 so that kind of fucked me up in my head. 1:27:27.200 --> 1:27:28.840 But we also talked to a lot of actors where 1:27:28.880 --> 1:27:30.840 that's for you, and they say sometimes an offer is 1:27:30.840 --> 1:27:33.560 harder than an audition because an audition at least informs 1:27:33.640 --> 1:27:37.040 like someone liked something, and then when they just give 1:27:37.080 --> 1:27:42.240 it to your kind of yeah just yeah five blind. 1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:44.599 You feel like you're auditioning on the spot and they 1:27:44.600 --> 1:27:48.080 can't fire you right where you're just like, well, we're 1:27:48.120 --> 1:27:48.640 stuck with me. 1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:50.120 Yeah, I'm tired. 1:27:50.160 --> 1:27:52.519 Yeah, offers are weird, but like and everybody, I mean, 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:55.040 what we've heard also is that Marishka is very supportive 1:27:55.080 --> 1:27:56.960 of people. Like when you got do you remember doing 1:27:57.080 --> 1:28:00.200 these scenes with her that were like so like heartbreak 1:28:00.439 --> 1:28:03.720 and like she's like, I mean her character sleeps in 1:28:04.080 --> 1:28:06.439 a in a hallway to protect you. 1:28:06.560 --> 1:28:10.920 She's so invested, Like yeah, she's a great detection. 1:28:12.439 --> 1:28:15.960 Even after we've after we finished, I want to say, like, 1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:19.479 I think that she called me a couple of times 1:28:19.600 --> 1:28:23.800 after I after we finished, I know that she called 1:28:23.800 --> 1:28:27.160 me when that like she saw the episode and she 1:28:27.320 --> 1:28:29.200 said she was like, you did such a good job. 1:28:29.280 --> 1:28:31.840 The episode's great, like right, and then we just like 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:33.640 chit chatted a little bit, and then I feel like 1:28:33.720 --> 1:28:38.600 she saw me and something else and she called me. 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:37.960 And she has your number. 1:28:37.960 --> 1:28:41.080 Maybe maybe she only called maybe she only called me once. 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:42.479 I don't remember. 1:28:43.160 --> 1:28:46.879 It is Christmas time, how do you feel? Happiest season? 1:28:47.560 --> 1:28:50.800 Probably being in people like a holiday movie like where 1:28:50.840 --> 1:28:52.640 I'm doing Christmas? That was on our list of what 1:28:52.680 --> 1:28:54.719 we're definitely watching with the family. 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:58.200 Stone But was that out last Christmas or two Christmases ago? 1:28:58.800 --> 1:29:02.000 Two Christmases ago? Okay, I was like it was funny, funny, 1:29:02.400 --> 1:29:03.240 It was funny, yeah. 1:29:03.120 --> 1:29:05.960 Because it was like not that I think anybody wanted 1:29:05.960 --> 1:29:07.960 the pandemic to happen, but a great thing for your 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:11.200 movie because I feel like everybody watched it like it 1:29:11.280 --> 1:29:12.320 was a real home. 1:29:12.120 --> 1:29:15.400 And like, yeah, it was you know that the timing, 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:19.400 the timing was good for I mean just that, I 1:29:19.439 --> 1:29:22.559 mean not the timing was good. That it's great that 1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:25.240 everybody was stuck inside because of a global pandemic where 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:28.439 not right people died, but it was you know, I 1:29:28.479 --> 1:29:31.400 think that a good time for that movie to come out, 1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:35.759 for sure, because it was so the holidays were so weird, yeah, 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:36.639 to say the least. 1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:39.120 And you know, no, it was fun because it was 1:29:39.160 --> 1:29:41.040 like one of those movies that like a bunch of 1:29:41.040 --> 1:29:42.800 my friends, we were all just like everybody was just 1:29:42.840 --> 1:29:44.599 texting being like have you watched that yet? 1:29:44.680 --> 1:29:46.520 You know, like it was like a water. 1:29:46.320 --> 1:29:49.439 Cooler movie where we were in like there was no 1:29:49.520 --> 1:29:52.400 water cooler to be found, you know, because we were 1:29:52.560 --> 1:29:53.200 all trapped. 1:29:53.920 --> 1:29:55.680 It's like a new classic, because I feel like you 1:29:55.760 --> 1:29:58.120 have either like Hallmark where it's like cheesy and white, 1:29:58.240 --> 1:30:03.240 like something specific, and then only like a few really 1:30:03.280 --> 1:30:05.320 good holiday movies, and I feel like it was one 1:30:05.360 --> 1:30:05.679 of them. 1:30:05.800 --> 1:30:06.719 Thank you so much. 1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:11.000 It really, I'm so happy that I got to make 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:14.280 that movie at all. I really it was really really 1:30:14.320 --> 1:30:17.200 special and so cool that that. 1:30:17.400 --> 1:30:18.840 People are still watching it. 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:21.160 Like Christmas movies become a part of your life in 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:23.320 a way that other movies don't, and that was like 1:30:23.680 --> 1:30:27.320 the fact that we were able to make a movie 1:30:27.320 --> 1:30:30.240 that is doing that is just really It's so cool. 1:30:30.600 --> 1:30:33.959 And then you are now writing on stuff you are directing, 1:30:34.040 --> 1:30:37.000 like what's the what are you like leaning towards or 1:30:37.000 --> 1:30:38.360 are you trying to just be a jack of all 1:30:38.400 --> 1:30:40.120 trades or are you just like I'm going to put 1:30:40.120 --> 1:30:41.600 acting a little bit on the back burner. While I 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:44.879 direct for a while or what's your Yeah. 1:30:44.720 --> 1:30:47.800 I mean, I really love writing and directing. 1:30:47.920 --> 1:30:50.639 I find it to be so fulfilling in a way 1:30:50.680 --> 1:30:54.000 that is just and it's also new, you know, I 1:30:54.000 --> 1:30:56.879 think acting is I've been doing it since I was eighteen, 1:30:57.000 --> 1:30:57.639 and I do. 1:30:57.600 --> 1:30:59.000 Really love it. 1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:02.559 But I think before I wanted to act, I wanted 1:31:02.600 --> 1:31:05.200 to write. I've always loved writing, and so to be 1:31:05.240 --> 1:31:08.160 able to go back to that and be able to 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:11.120 make things and you know, tell the stories that I 1:31:11.160 --> 1:31:14.080 want to tell and higher actors that I really love 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:16.639 and work with cruise like in a more intimate way, 1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:21.280 like it's really I don't know, I'm just find I'm 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:23.600 just very inspired by it right now. So it is 1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:26.280 and it's also so time consuming that you can't really 1:31:26.640 --> 1:31:29.120 do anything else, you know that I have a show 1:31:29.200 --> 1:31:32.840 right now that that just came out, and we're work 1:31:32.920 --> 1:31:34.880 we have we're not picked up for a second season, 1:31:35.000 --> 1:31:37.160 but we have a we're doing a mini room and. 1:31:37.120 --> 1:31:38.080 It's just it's time. 1:31:38.280 --> 1:31:41.680 It takes forever, like I can imagine, you know, I 1:31:41.680 --> 1:31:45.799 can't imagine. I mean I have been writing and acting 1:31:45.880 --> 1:31:47.960 at the same time, and it's just but it's it's 1:31:47.960 --> 1:31:50.720 harder to bounce back and forth, you know, because I 1:31:51.800 --> 1:31:54.879 like getting sort of lost in the process of writing 1:31:54.960 --> 1:31:58.000 and then once once you're in production, forget it, like 1:31:58.080 --> 1:31:58.679 you can't leave. 1:31:59.479 --> 1:32:01.920 Yeah, no, it's wild. I feel like every time I 1:32:01.920 --> 1:32:05.240 want to set, I'm newly surprised, like how long everyone's 1:32:05.240 --> 1:32:07.759 there and how hard people work. I'm always just like, geez, 1:32:08.080 --> 1:32:12.360 you guys are like really putting in all the hours. Yeah, 1:32:12.360 --> 1:32:14.320 and it always surprises me. And I don't know why. 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:15.880 I just don't know how people have a life. But 1:32:16.800 --> 1:32:19.040 going back to back in the day, you kind of 1:32:19.040 --> 1:32:23.280 had a really iconic hairdo and the faculty but I'm 1:32:23.280 --> 1:32:27.479 a cheerleader. Do you feel like was that you coming 1:32:27.520 --> 1:32:29.240 into it or did they make you cut your hair? 1:32:29.840 --> 1:32:34.840 I feel like you're pre posh spice in terms of 1:32:34.880 --> 1:32:35.639 that fun hairdo. 1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:38.200 Yeah, that no, that was my That was me. That 1:32:38.280 --> 1:32:41.440 was a haircut that I had in my real life. Yeah. 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:43.240 And the reason and my hair is like a little 1:32:43.240 --> 1:32:45.479 bit curly, So that's why my hair is always so 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:47.439 greasy because I would I didn't know how to sty 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:49.320 I didn't know how to make my hair straight, so 1:32:49.400 --> 1:32:51.040 I would just put a bunch of shit in my 1:32:51.080 --> 1:32:53.519 hair to like kill the wave. 1:32:54.200 --> 1:32:58.360 Basically, Oh, it looks very straight and silky in your 1:32:58.439 --> 1:32:59.320 SVU episode. 1:32:59.560 --> 1:33:02.479 Oh yeah, I mean if I have a professional. 1:33:02.040 --> 1:33:04.840 If someone does a professional but I do not have 1:33:04.880 --> 1:33:05.800 those skills. 1:33:06.439 --> 1:33:08.200 Yeah, yeah, but me trying. 1:33:07.960 --> 1:33:11.120 To blow dry my own hair even now is really embarrassing. 1:33:12.439 --> 1:33:14.000 That's embarrassing. 1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:15.640 And it's only like part of my hair will be 1:33:15.640 --> 1:33:17.360 straight in the back of my head will still be 1:33:17.439 --> 1:33:19.040 like really curly, and. 1:33:18.920 --> 1:33:20.280 That's not a good Yeah. 1:33:20.840 --> 1:33:23.520 I have crazy curly hair and it's been a lifelong 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:26.240 struggle to tame it and deal with it. But well, 1:33:26.240 --> 1:33:28.800 I'm also looking at your IMDb here at this this 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:31.800 animated show called Housebroken that has like all these fun 1:33:31.840 --> 1:33:34.040 people in it, like Maria Bamford is like a friend 1:33:34.040 --> 1:33:36.000 of mine through stand up and then you've got like 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:39.920 all these people like Lisa Kudrou and like, what this 1:33:40.000 --> 1:33:43.160 is amazing and this is your your this is a no, 1:33:43.280 --> 1:33:45.040 you're a creator a creator of this too. 1:33:45.800 --> 1:33:46.040 Yeah. 1:33:46.080 --> 1:33:49.880 I created with two of the writers from uh VI, 1:33:50.160 --> 1:33:53.880 Gabby Allen and Jen Crittenden, and they I just loved 1:33:53.920 --> 1:33:57.160 them so much, and we talked about we were just 1:33:57.160 --> 1:33:59.840 talking about working on something else together and I had 1:33:59.840 --> 1:34:02.160 this idea and I told it to them and they 1:34:02.160 --> 1:34:05.840 immediately had an idea that made the idea better, and 1:34:06.720 --> 1:34:09.320 it evolved into and then we all started talking about 1:34:09.320 --> 1:34:11.439 it together and it evolved into the show. 1:34:11.560 --> 1:34:13.480 And it's just it's so much fun. 1:34:13.880 --> 1:34:17.840 And the cast is out of control and. 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:20.800 Yeah actually who who Yeah, And. 1:34:20.760 --> 1:34:26.000 We have two episode holiday episodes airing this Sunday because 1:34:26.000 --> 1:34:28.200 we've been off the air since last summer, and then 1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:31.240 we have these episodes airing, and then we have a 1:34:31.280 --> 1:34:33.559 full season airing again next summer. 1:34:33.600 --> 1:34:36.679 But it's really a blast. It's such a funny show. 1:34:36.760 --> 1:34:39.680 And I'd always wanted to do animation before I never 1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:41.679 had and so it's been really I've learned a lot 1:34:41.800 --> 1:34:42.640 and really. 1:34:44.120 --> 1:34:46.920 I really love it. Yeah, animation is such a different thing. 1:34:46.960 --> 1:34:49.040 It seems like it seems like for writing, it's so 1:34:50.000 --> 1:34:52.320 fun because you can really write anything to happen. 1:34:52.360 --> 1:34:54.040 You don't have to worry about like budget or whatever. 1:34:54.120 --> 1:34:56.679 But then you know, just like thinking about how visually 1:34:56.800 --> 1:34:57.599 jokes are going to land. 1:34:57.600 --> 1:34:58.920 It's like it's just a totally different thing. 1:34:59.200 --> 1:35:01.639 Yeah, you know is and you all, I think because 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:04.800 I also like I have such a like practical brain 1:35:04.840 --> 1:35:07.320 when I'm writing live action that it's like, okay, well 1:35:07.320 --> 1:35:08.320 you're not gonna be able to do. 1:35:08.760 --> 1:35:11.559 Have like explode a house like right, But. 1:35:11.800 --> 1:35:14.920 In animation you can literally do anything and create anything. 1:35:15.000 --> 1:35:18.639 And like once I sort of got into that, like 1:35:18.760 --> 1:35:23.280 no sort of no holds barred imagination. It really unlocked 1:35:23.320 --> 1:35:24.920 something and just it's so fun. 1:35:25.080 --> 1:35:27.280 Well it's also cute, like you get to be a 1:35:27.360 --> 1:35:31.280 cute thing, you know, like a car. You get to 1:35:31.280 --> 1:35:32.160 be a little corky. 1:35:32.800 --> 1:35:36.479 Yeah, yeah, and now I. 1:35:36.400 --> 1:35:39.240 Love Corki's an animal that I never thought twice about. 1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:43.519 But really they're so cute. They're so cute that they 1:35:43.560 --> 1:35:44.400 have no one told me. 1:35:44.800 --> 1:35:47.080 They have like butts that look like people butts, Like 1:35:47.160 --> 1:35:50.240 I just see them all barts my kids into baby 1:35:50.280 --> 1:35:53.679 animal Instagram, so I see a lot of corky butts 1:35:53.680 --> 1:35:57.200 floating in water anyway. 1:35:55.960 --> 1:35:59.479 Smiling their load of the ground. But they're fluffy. They're 1:35:59.560 --> 1:36:02.000 just really kind of perfect. Would you get it tattooed 1:36:02.040 --> 1:36:02.559 on yourself? 1:36:02.600 --> 1:36:07.040 You feel uh no, no, no, no, I don't. I'm 1:36:07.040 --> 1:36:08.400 not going to get any more tattoos. 1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:10.080 I don't think that's like my dream to be a 1:36:10.080 --> 1:36:13.439 cartoon character. So then I can get it tattooed and then. 1:36:13.360 --> 1:36:15.759 You could get my character tattoos on you. 1:36:15.800 --> 1:36:18.320 Yeah, that's a great idea. I would get a I 1:36:18.360 --> 1:36:20.720 have a lot of quirgi merch, to be honest, if 1:36:20.720 --> 1:36:22.519 I'm being fully regular to. 1:36:22.800 --> 1:36:25.280 Well, you should watch the watch the watch House Pocus 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:27.000 see this little corky in action. 1:36:27.520 --> 1:36:30.840 Well, just to like close out the SVU questioning like 1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:32.280 do you have any like do you have any other 1:36:32.360 --> 1:36:34.600 like memories from doing it or like little stories or 1:36:34.640 --> 1:36:37.679 anything you think our listeners would like be excited about. 1:36:38.040 --> 1:36:41.200 I mean it was really just the getting the call 1:36:41.280 --> 1:36:45.479 from Marishka and like working with her and then having 1:36:45.479 --> 1:36:48.000 her really like take an interest and be so genuine 1:36:48.120 --> 1:36:51.559 and it really I don't know. I whenever there's someone 1:36:51.760 --> 1:36:54.200 like that out there and you work with them and 1:36:54.240 --> 1:36:58.960 they they understand what their position can do, and like 1:36:59.040 --> 1:37:02.080 some people use to like scare people or you know, 1:37:02.160 --> 1:37:06.400 make people feel bad, and then other people really use 1:37:06.439 --> 1:37:10.439 it to like elevate the people around them, and she 1:37:10.640 --> 1:37:12.400 is really someone who did that, and it was just 1:37:12.479 --> 1:37:15.559 it really meant so much to me because as an actor, 1:37:15.680 --> 1:37:18.400 you can really especially as a guest star on a 1:37:18.439 --> 1:37:22.439 television show, you can feel so insignificant because in some 1:37:22.479 --> 1:37:25.600 ways you are because you are. You're just like in 1:37:25.720 --> 1:37:28.400 Network TV, if you're a guest star in one episode, 1:37:28.439 --> 1:37:31.000 like they're just going to do it again twenty. 1:37:30.520 --> 1:37:31.719 Twenty one more times. 1:37:31.720 --> 1:37:33.920 So yeah, other people and you're you know, you can 1:37:34.000 --> 1:37:37.519 really just feel disposable and and it just it really 1:37:37.720 --> 1:37:39.880 just felt like her the way she. 1:37:39.880 --> 1:37:42.479 Treated me and everyone that I know who's been on it. 1:37:42.560 --> 1:37:45.040 I don't know, it's really it's really important and really 1:37:45.080 --> 1:37:48.480 like turn something that could that could be very forgettable 1:37:48.560 --> 1:37:51.040 into something really meaningful. 1:37:51.720 --> 1:37:56.000 Yeah, beautiful, and you didn't really get like it was. Yeah, 1:37:56.040 --> 1:37:57.840 you're really great in the episode. Have you died on 1:37:57.920 --> 1:37:59.280 screen before? Oh? 1:37:59.400 --> 1:38:00.960 Yeah, I've done. Oh I've done a lot. 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:03.320 Oh yeah, Oh okay. Well, not only are you friends 1:38:03.360 --> 1:38:06.800 with like Natasha Leone and Melanielensku you work with a lot, 1:38:06.840 --> 1:38:08.920 but like high school Teagan and Sarah, I feel like 1:38:08.960 --> 1:38:13.320 you've worked with them and the like. On social media, 1:38:13.360 --> 1:38:15.599 I feel like everyone that I followed was talking about 1:38:15.640 --> 1:38:16.080 high school. 1:38:16.360 --> 1:38:18.519 So oh really, yes, that's nice to hear. 1:38:18.920 --> 1:38:21.840 Yeah, well we're really excited. And will you wait? Will 1:38:21.840 --> 1:38:23.519 you tell me what it's on? What is it on? 1:38:23.640 --> 1:38:24.759 Where do I watch High School. 1:38:25.280 --> 1:38:29.559 High School is on It's on Amazon Freebee, which is 1:38:29.800 --> 1:38:32.640 its own app, but then you can also watch it 1:38:32.760 --> 1:38:33.799 on Prime. 1:38:34.280 --> 1:38:36.799 Oh, so Amazon gives you a couple of ways. 1:38:36.560 --> 1:38:38.479 To watch it, and I don't know if that makes 1:38:38.479 --> 1:38:41.360 it more or less confusing, but you can definitely find it. 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:45.080 Yeah, because Freebie's like their free platforms, so more people 1:38:45.080 --> 1:38:46.120 can probably get to it. 1:38:46.160 --> 1:38:50.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's yeah, it's based on Teagan 1:38:50.880 --> 1:38:54.120 and Sarah's memoir about their years in high school and 1:38:54.160 --> 1:38:57.439 sort of coming of age and becoming musicians and you know, 1:38:57.520 --> 1:38:59.040 discovering their sexuality. 1:38:59.200 --> 1:39:02.360 And it's really I loved. 1:39:02.080 --> 1:39:03.840 Their books so much, and as soon as I read it, 1:39:03.920 --> 1:39:06.200 I called Teagan and just said, you please let me 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:09.599 make this into a television show. And it's been really 1:39:11.120 --> 1:39:15.080 I'm I've really loved the experience of making it. And 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:18.280 but I'm not really on social media very much, so 1:39:18.360 --> 1:39:20.680 I haven't seen any of that, but I'm happy that 1:39:20.680 --> 1:39:21.960 people are talking about it. 1:39:22.280 --> 1:39:26.439 Yeah. Wait, was it fun to cast your friends as 1:39:26.520 --> 1:39:30.000 little kids or like teens? Like, was that the casting fun? 1:39:30.920 --> 1:39:31.320 It was? 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:33.640 Yeah, it was fun, but it was also just like 1:39:34.080 --> 1:39:37.439 what we were looking for was insane, you know, like 1:39:37.520 --> 1:39:41.439 that we had to find twin girls that were the 1:39:41.520 --> 1:39:46.120 right age, who were queer, just funs like uh, I like, 1:39:46.200 --> 1:39:47.880 we were insane, and I thought we were going to 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:50.680 have to pull like an orphan black type situation with 1:39:50.920 --> 1:39:56.360 just one actor, but it Teagan was on TikTok and 1:39:56.520 --> 1:39:59.479 saw one of the twins in a video and then 1:39:59.520 --> 1:40:02.920 discover that she had a twin sister and then reached 1:40:02.920 --> 1:40:07.080 out to them and they auditioned, and it was like 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:09.519 a very scary thing to do to cast them because 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:12.040 they were just you know, Pete, they were not actors. 1:40:12.080 --> 1:40:15.880 They were working in pizza restaurants in Fresno and just 1:40:16.680 --> 1:40:19.120 got We just picked them up out of their lives 1:40:19.160 --> 1:40:21.080 and brought them and cast them as the leads out 1:40:21.120 --> 1:40:23.280 of television show. Was such an insane thing to do, 1:40:23.400 --> 1:40:26.719 but they worked so hard. Raley in season who played 1:40:26.760 --> 1:40:29.120 Taken in Sarah and did such an incredible job, And 1:40:29.160 --> 1:40:31.879 it was really just it felt like this very. 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:39.080 Like fate that they appeared. It really fell fell into 1:40:39.120 --> 1:40:39.639 our laps. 1:40:39.720 --> 1:40:43.479 Yeah, yeah, TikTok. I mean you just like changed these 1:40:43.680 --> 1:40:44.800 twins lives. 1:40:45.200 --> 1:40:49.320 Yeah, and TikTok. Give TikTok a little bit of a pass. 1:40:50.200 --> 1:40:52.599 Yeah, I don't think people are talking about TikTok enough. 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:55.920 Yeah, and they're not giving tik took enough credit, you know, 1:40:56.080 --> 1:40:59.680 like need to be algorithm. 1:41:00.240 --> 1:41:01.880 The algorithm is getting something right. 1:41:02.520 --> 1:41:02.840 Yeah. 1:41:02.880 --> 1:41:05.720 So they were looking for teen twins and a team 1:41:05.800 --> 1:41:08.639 twin was delivered. There they have they have the most 1:41:08.680 --> 1:41:11.479 scary algorithm. But that is really cool. Okay, I'm going 1:41:11.560 --> 1:41:14.760 to check that out high school on free v on 1:41:15.840 --> 1:41:20.240 is it called freev Yeah, Amazon, Amazon freeby and Amazon 1:41:20.360 --> 1:41:23.840 Prime amazing. Yeah, all the Amazon places, all the Amazons. 1:41:23.920 --> 1:41:27.719 Yeah. Perfect, you're really crushing it. You made the pivot 1:41:27.800 --> 1:41:30.519 to writing directing so good. 1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:33.519 I mean, I I was fortunate enough to work with 1:41:33.560 --> 1:41:36.920 so many brilliant writers and directors that I learned so 1:41:37.040 --> 1:41:41.200 much from. And it's you know, it's really just paying 1:41:41.240 --> 1:41:44.920 attention to other people doing it well. And yeah, keeping 1:41:44.920 --> 1:41:46.920 my eyes open and my mouth shut. 1:41:47.240 --> 1:41:48.920 Yeah, because you've been in the business for so long, 1:41:49.000 --> 1:41:52.800 it's like, I'm sure you picked up stuff that you 1:41:52.840 --> 1:41:54.200 should use and stuff. 1:41:53.880 --> 1:41:56.760 That you would not you would never want to use. Absolutely. 1:41:56.840 --> 1:41:59.479 Yeah. Working with the with with directors who were not 1:41:59.720 --> 1:42:02.479 the greatest actually taught me just as much. 1:42:02.840 --> 1:42:03.599 Yeah, don't do that. 1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:05.080 This is this is a great way to get an 1:42:05.120 --> 1:42:07.200 actor to turn on you in a scene. 1:42:08.800 --> 1:42:09.280 Don't do that. 1:42:10.160 --> 1:42:13.519 Yeah, all right, well I'm so excited to hear. I'm 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:15.200 so excited to keep an eye out for stuff you 1:42:15.240 --> 1:42:15.840 have coming up. 1:42:15.920 --> 1:42:19.560 And yeah, and I'll be watching the Happiest Season this Christmas. 1:42:19.640 --> 1:42:23.200 Yeah, you're going to have like a new Christmas classic 1:42:23.479 --> 1:42:24.320 watch every year. 1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:25.679 That's what we're doing. 1:42:26.200 --> 1:42:28.200 That makes me really happy. Thank you for watching it. 1:42:28.520 --> 1:42:34.960 Yeah. Wow, she is so accomplished. 1:42:34.960 --> 1:42:39.040 God, doing so many things like acting, directing, the writing, 1:42:39.200 --> 1:42:41.439 the animation live action movies. 1:42:42.000 --> 1:42:44.680 I know so much, and also living our dream. I mean, 1:42:44.720 --> 1:42:47.439 you were there, but being a judge on Drag Race, 1:42:47.560 --> 1:42:51.120 being able to be in the vibe with that crew 1:42:51.280 --> 1:42:54.360 is pretty incredible. And you know she put drag queens 1:42:54.400 --> 1:42:57.719 in her The Happiest Season as well, Deayla and Jenks 1:42:57.800 --> 1:42:59.960 and Dela Baby. Well they are the Christmas Queen. 1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:02.040 I mean, you gots to put them in your movie 1:43:02.040 --> 1:43:04.599 if you're doing a Christmas movie. They are Jinxon day 1:43:04.640 --> 1:43:07.000 Law's Christmas. We should go see that live sometime. That'd 1:43:07.040 --> 1:43:07.559 be so fun. 1:43:07.800 --> 1:43:11.240 I of course, no, it was really cool. This podcast 1:43:11.320 --> 1:43:13.680 is so fun to do for many reasons, but it 1:43:13.720 --> 1:43:16.760 is also like sometimes I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? 1:43:16.960 --> 1:43:19.000 Like to me and talk to a person that I've 1:43:19.000 --> 1:43:22.960 been following their work for decades, does it's just like, yeah, 1:43:22.960 --> 1:43:26.600 good to be true. I can't believe it and you 1:43:26.640 --> 1:43:28.600 still haven't seen. But I'm a cheerleader. We got to 1:43:28.640 --> 1:43:30.760 watch that. I know, I gotta watch that. I gotta 1:43:30.800 --> 1:43:34.280 watch it. But cause and you have Melanie Lynsky, you 1:43:34.280 --> 1:43:36.400 have so many stars that you still love today and 1:43:36.439 --> 1:43:39.960 it's actual Leon like you love RuPaul Mari, like we 1:43:40.000 --> 1:43:42.920 love these people. So it seems like it's gonna be 1:43:42.960 --> 1:43:44.559 right up my alley and I'm gonna really love it. 1:43:44.600 --> 1:43:46.920 So I'm excited to watch it. I so loved knowing 1:43:46.920 --> 1:43:49.519 that the blood was really squirting JK. Of course we 1:43:49.560 --> 1:43:52.320 saw it. She I love her being like there was 1:43:52.400 --> 1:43:55.640 so much blood, poor my body man that she was 1:43:55.640 --> 1:43:58.200 like walking around set with a knife. I really love 1:43:58.240 --> 1:44:00.960 seeing photos of people on set and like Victorian outfits 1:44:01.040 --> 1:44:04.120 drinking a diet coke? Have you seen that, like Kristen 1:44:04.200 --> 1:44:05.679 Dunst and Marie and Twinette and stuff. 1:44:05.800 --> 1:44:08.680 Yeah, Like famously, somebody left a Starbucks cup on a 1:44:08.720 --> 1:44:10.760 table in an episode of Game of Thrones. So there's 1:44:10.800 --> 1:44:13.000 like a Starbucks cup in the final cut. 1:44:12.840 --> 1:44:15.519 But well, you know, I had to wear a strap 1:44:15.560 --> 1:44:19.680 on for pause with Samjay and and then that was 1:44:19.720 --> 1:44:21.960 the day that she got everyone in an ice cream 1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:24.280 truck as a thank you, and so we went and 1:44:24.280 --> 1:44:26.240 got our ice creams with our full strap ons on. 1:44:26.360 --> 1:44:28.519 Like there was just like seven women with dicks on 1:44:29.160 --> 1:44:33.240 walking around set. Where did that come from? Walking around 1:44:33.439 --> 1:44:37.000 set with like the item like bring a Maria and 1:44:37.000 --> 1:44:40.960 twinette cigarettes We were talking about like the diet coke 1:44:41.000 --> 1:44:43.040 of it all, but then it's a full strap on. 1:44:43.880 --> 1:44:45.840 Well know, her walking around with a knife and we 1:44:45.880 --> 1:44:46.960 were walking around with dick. 1:44:47.120 --> 1:44:49.320 Yes, well we've also gotten to talk to two people 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:51.559 that had to wear that knife breastplate thing because we 1:44:51.560 --> 1:44:53.600 talked to Mike Doyle about the same fucking thing. And 1:44:53.640 --> 1:44:58.160 it's wild that oh my god, like that scene. This 1:44:58.320 --> 1:45:01.439 episode is really really like connting and tough because it 1:45:01.960 --> 1:45:04.160 does really show domestic violence. I feel like in a 1:45:04.200 --> 1:45:07.080 way that a lot of people, I mean, I don't 1:45:07.120 --> 1:45:09.400 know that maybe we haven't seen on network television in 1:45:09.400 --> 1:45:10.240 such a violent way. 1:45:10.280 --> 1:45:14.880 And it was it's just like the actual hardships and 1:45:14.920 --> 1:45:20.599 realities of escaping abuse are complicated as fuck, and it's 1:45:20.640 --> 1:45:22.960 a pet peeve of I bet you as what, Like 1:45:23.000 --> 1:45:26.400 when people make it so simple and have no empathy 1:45:26.479 --> 1:45:29.040 or understanding, when people are like why invents? And even 1:45:29.080 --> 1:45:30.720 did this here? Like why didn't you leave? Why didn't 1:45:30.720 --> 1:45:32.240 you do that? What about this? Why do you need 1:45:32.240 --> 1:45:36.519 an abortion? Like people making judgments and questions about people's 1:45:36.560 --> 1:45:39.800 lives that are like so complicated and difficult, yes, and 1:45:39.840 --> 1:45:42.759 being so black and white about stuff that that isn't 1:45:42.840 --> 1:45:47.679 like she has no money, no education, nothing, no family, right. 1:45:47.520 --> 1:45:50.680 And she just an escape if he hadn't killed her, 1:45:50.720 --> 1:45:53.200 he's trying to now saddle her with his children, so 1:45:53.280 --> 1:45:55.280 now she really can't leave, you know what I mean? Like, 1:45:55.320 --> 1:45:57.960 this is why I feel like the Plan B storyline 1:45:58.000 --> 1:46:00.479 up top, we hated that pharmacist, but also like it 1:46:00.600 --> 1:46:04.080 just highlights the importance of reproductive rights for women, because 1:46:04.840 --> 1:46:07.559 pregnancy and children and a lot of for a lot 1:46:07.600 --> 1:46:10.040 of women are like the final nail in the fucking 1:46:10.080 --> 1:46:11.559 coffin when you're with an abusive guy. 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:15.360 It makes it much harder to leave, you know. Yeah, 1:46:15.400 --> 1:46:19.920 And you know Lenny leaving living with this trauma for 1:46:19.960 --> 1:46:23.080 so long, and how laws we're not protective of women 1:46:23.200 --> 1:46:25.200 at all, and we still have to fight for laws 1:46:25.200 --> 1:46:29.840 to protect women and abuse victims of all genders. And 1:46:29.880 --> 1:46:33.600 it's just I'm grateful for us to st view and 1:46:33.600 --> 1:46:35.000 I feel like a lot of people that should be 1:46:35.040 --> 1:46:38.479 watching it probably aren't. But it's just like it gives 1:46:38.520 --> 1:46:43.599 so much understanding to things that even you know, we 1:46:43.640 --> 1:46:46.439 work so hard to understand everything, and this this episode 1:46:46.520 --> 1:46:49.920 is just so clear in its messaging I feel. And 1:46:50.000 --> 1:46:53.800 we have Judith Light realizing her mistakes and seeing her 1:46:54.040 --> 1:46:56.920 make a mistaken come to terms with it, the judges. 1:46:56.960 --> 1:46:59.760 It's also like a great female actress episode, you. 1:46:59.720 --> 1:47:03.680 Know, totally Yeah, Donnelly Hatter moment, we had Clia, we 1:47:03.720 --> 1:47:07.439 had Brenda Blethin and other you know icons, So this 1:47:07.600 --> 1:47:10.519 was a good one. And yeah, along those same lines there, 1:47:10.520 --> 1:47:12.200 we'll get into our what would Sister Peg Do, which 1:47:12.200 --> 1:47:13.920 is our weekly segment where we try to point you 1:47:13.920 --> 1:47:18.160 guys to an organization, a resource, website, article, book, something 1:47:18.160 --> 1:47:19.599 that will give you more info and what we talked 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:24.200 about in today's episode, And because domestic violent shelters are 1:47:24.320 --> 1:47:29.920 so uh, you know, geographically linked, I wanted to highlight 1:47:29.960 --> 1:47:33.240 the website Domesticshelters dot org. They're the first and largest 1:47:33.320 --> 1:47:37.360 online and mobile searchable directory of domestic violent shelters, so 1:47:38.160 --> 1:47:40.479 you don't have to look up like you could just 1:47:40.520 --> 1:47:42.680 go to domestic shelters dot org and that will tell 1:47:42.720 --> 1:47:45.920 you what's the closest near you and or near a 1:47:45.920 --> 1:47:48.080 friend or somewhere else, so you can like look it's 1:47:48.080 --> 1:47:52.840 like Google of domestic shelters, and it's the US and Canada, 1:47:52.920 --> 1:47:55.360 and they are really helpful resource for people experiencing and 1:47:55.400 --> 1:47:57.760 working to end domestic violence. If you'd like more info, 1:47:57.960 --> 1:48:02.200 it's domesticshelters dot org and as always will be saved 1:48:02.800 --> 1:48:06.959 as a story in our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram, 1:48:07.000 --> 1:48:08.280 which is that's messed up pod. 1:48:09.280 --> 1:48:13.920 Thank you so much. And if you know, maybe if 1:48:13.960 --> 1:48:17.559 your New year's resolution is to spring clean or whatever. Like, 1:48:17.680 --> 1:48:21.000 shelters are also a great place to drop off clothing, 1:48:21.160 --> 1:48:25.920 beauty supplies, tampons, hair products, things for you know, toys 1:48:25.960 --> 1:48:31.320 for kids, outfits so women can go to job interviews. 1:48:31.360 --> 1:48:35.920 Like shelters are a really great place to send your 1:48:35.960 --> 1:48:40.760 resources to help local people that need help in your neighborhood. 1:48:41.479 --> 1:48:43.920 So on top of just finding shelters like it's just 1:48:44.080 --> 1:48:47.040 a great place to give yestra. Maybe you want a 1:48:47.040 --> 1:48:49.320 lifetime supply of tampons, I got a place for you 1:48:49.400 --> 1:48:52.880 to give them. And then next week we'll be doing 1:48:52.960 --> 1:48:59.640 Home Invasions Season thirteen, episode fourteen. Yeah, it's a good one. 1:48:59.640 --> 1:49:01.639 I don't know to tell you. We got Peacock. Oh 1:49:01.640 --> 1:49:04.920 my god, the person who made Kara hat at mia Hattan, 1:49:04.920 --> 1:49:07.840 Sacramento too and made it peacock colors because people are 1:49:07.840 --> 1:49:13.360 obsessed with to say Peacock and Hulu and all that 1:49:13.400 --> 1:49:16.360 good stuff. And happy fucking New Year, and we'll see 1:49:16.360 --> 1:49:29.679 you next week. 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