00:00:08 Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. But you're a guest to my home. You gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guess you're Our presence is presence enough. I'm already had too much stuff. 00:00:35 Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:47 Speaker 3: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Bridger Winecker. I'm barely in the mood. I've been awake since three am. I hope I haven't overcorrect with caffeine, but that's all I could do at this point. I ate way too much lunch. I'm just doing everything in my power to be here for you today. The dog kept me up. That's fine. The dog, on occasion, makes mistakes. Let's get into the podcast. I love the guest, absolutely love Roz Hernandez Roz Welcome to, I said, no kids, Hi, I don't. 00:01:23 Speaker 2: Know why you're not in the mood. 00:01:25 Speaker 3: I'm so tired. I feel like I'm hallucinating. The dog woke me up at three am. 00:01:31 Speaker 2: Why? 00:01:32 Speaker 3: Well, my sister and her family have been in town and they stayed with me last night. My sister, her husband, and their two little girls. And I think the dog was just so excited about having other people in the house that she decided to just punish me for seven hours. 00:01:50 Speaker 2: Wow. 00:01:51 Speaker 3: And so I did lie down around noon for half an hour and just closed my eyes. Woke up disoriented, went and got too much lunch, wh halfway through my second cold bruin. This is kind of how it's manifesting it so. 00:02:06 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm okay with it. What's going on in your day? I went to a car wash today? How often are you going to a car wash? As much as I can. I try to go like once a month. Wow, that's pretty good. Yeah, sometimes more. I have an option. I have a covered parking option where I live, but I like to be amongst the other car bank where I live. I want to. I don't want people to think I'm like, oh, I got this exclusive, Like I want to. I want to park with everyone out right right. So I usually park on the street and then my car gets really dirty because of that. 00:02:45 Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense. And it's like usually trees just dropping garbage. 00:02:48 Speaker 2: Trees just doing their thing. 00:02:50 Speaker 3: So you're going out to the car. Do you have a favorite car wash? Yes, Hollywood Stars car wash. 00:02:57 Speaker 2: Where is this? Well, it's just the thing that US Hollywood stars go to. It's called Hollywood Stars car Wash. It's on Magnolia Boulevard. Okay, shout out to them. They have headshots on the wall. Is this the kind of like mid century looking car wash? I think a little. Well, there's that one that's in it's like on Riverside or something that's very meds. 00:03:19 Speaker 3: The one I'm looking it's not that one. Okay, this is a worse one you're describing. 00:03:23 Speaker 2: Now. 00:03:23 Speaker 3: This is just where the Hollywood stars go and you were you had mentioned before we started recording. There's a headshot of Leo Remeny. 00:03:30 Speaker 2: There, I believe. So unless I was seeing things, I don't. I think it was Lea Remeny I saw in there and it's her headshot. 00:03:37 Speaker 3: Why don't they take a picture of the person with their car, the celebrity with their crates? 00:03:41 Speaker 2: I know, how does that work? Did they just like ask later, like, so, we noticed you were here, Can you bring a head shot next time? Right? 00:03:50 Speaker 3: I don't understand how the logistics of that unless she just has a bunch like in the back seat that they're clearing out or something. 00:03:55 Speaker 2: But there's always a few people in those situations where you're like I don't think this one they asked for, Like I think somebody offered like, oh, I have one, Like I paid for a package of multiple looks. You know, I spent four hundred dollars on these, So let me give you one for your walk. Because there's always a couple like that. 00:04:14 Speaker 3: Oh, of course, it's almost like probably I would say it's like sixty forty. Basically forty percent of them are like these are people that were begging to be hung on the walls. 00:04:23 Speaker 2: Yes, and I that's my biggest fear is I'm offering a headshot to them and they're like, we we ran out of room. Like that would suck. 00:04:32 Speaker 3: I think you and I should do it. We should get some headshots printed up framed. It's worth a shot, absolutely. And I feel like a lot of these like car washes or dry cleaners, like it's just a person that's there that like me, that barely knows. Like if I were running one of these, I wouldn't know that many celebrities. I could be easily bamboozled. You bring shove up with the headshot, I would hang one. 00:04:55 Speaker 2: Oh I know I've had I've had a number of moments. See I always talk about this, But I'm not very good with celebrities, like I am a bit I'm terrible. I'm not good with like recent ones. Like when I was a kid, I was way more aware. There was also less places to look for celebrities. Right, you had cable and you know that was it. Like there wasn't like a billion different things. So I've had a lot of scenarios where I'm at a social function and I'm talking to someone and I find out that they're like really famous, and. 00:05:25 Speaker 3: That's a good thing, though you're out there making sure everybody's ego is in check. 00:05:30 Speaker 2: I guess I feel like I probably I apologize to podcast listeners and to all my fans that tune into all of my appearances. I believe I talked about this on another podcast, but it really did happen to me one time where I was talking to someone and they were saying they were going to the Golden Globes, and I was like stop, like how did you? 00:05:48 Speaker 3: Like? 00:05:48 Speaker 2: Now, how does that work? Like how do you get like a ticket? Like how do you go? And then I found out like, oh, they're nominated for like Best Actor or like whatever? Did you ever find out who they? Their name? Or anything I did, And of course I don't remember unless your headshots a Hollywood start as car wash a Magnolia boulevard. I don't see you. It was Alec Baldwin. It might have been. 00:06:09 Speaker 3: I think Alex would have attacked you if you hadn't been recognized. 00:06:13 Speaker 2: Oh no, God, that's a scary thought. 00:06:16 Speaker 3: So you're taking I love the car wash, and I think i've been. I mean, I don't go that often. I'm a bit of a hypocrite. I go probably every four months if that. But the experience is such a do the one where they kind of drag you through you're seated in the car. 00:06:31 Speaker 2: No, no, those are fun. I just can never like then you're expected to dry it off yourself, and I can never do it. Or I don't have a towel with me. Right, you go through the thing that's like that blow dryer. It doesn't do what you need it to do. It does ten percent of the work. Yeah for me. 00:06:49 Speaker 3: I get out of there, I vacuum the car, and then I go out on the road and just try to drive as quickly as possible, hoping that the air will kind of blow the water off. It doesn't work. I mean it doesn't at all. My car is just perpetually dirty. But I do like the little experience of being dragged through the things whipping. 00:07:07 Speaker 2: Your car, so that is fun. 00:07:09 Speaker 3: When you have to get your tire into the little rail, it's hard, awful. Yeah, every time, I'm like, this is the time the tire explodes. 00:07:17 Speaker 2: I know. 00:07:18 Speaker 3: Okay, so so far today. So I went to the car. I went to Hollywood Stars car wat. I hope that is what it's called. I think it's what it's called. 00:07:27 Speaker 2: I don't know, because you know, I get confused all the Hollywood Star places. I end up. I did that, and I talked to my friend Johnny on the phone. I'm a phone talk. 00:07:39 Speaker 3: You're a big I'm trying to become a better phone talker, kind of on the record of being like I love a surprise phone call and that I'm extremely hard to get a hold of. But once I'm on the call five minutes in, I kind of break and I'm like, I'm enjoying this. 00:07:52 Speaker 2: Well, don't give me your number because I'll blow you up. I love phone calls. It's actually a problem for me. It really during the pandemic. Oh of course, I was just on the phone all day long, and I just it's like a part of me. Now, how many calls on the day are you making? It's more about the time, like how I probably I'm not working much right now. Sure, so you're getting on the phone and chatting. So I just talk to people that are also like not busy during the day. 00:08:24 Speaker 3: And do you call with any sort of topic on the mind or is it just like, hey, what's going on? 00:08:30 Speaker 2: And then you just let it flow from this? I have a story like, oh I got something good, I got a call so and so, right, But yeah, usually not like I have a good roster of people that I can just call and see what's going on? 00:08:43 Speaker 3: And how long do you end up on the phone for a couple of hours with one person? 00:08:49 Speaker 2: Sometimes that's incredible to me. I can't drive in silence, so I usually if i'm driving, I'm on the phone, not listening to music. No, I don't listen to music. When I I've I listened to podcasts or I talk on the phone, which to me is like podcasts that aren't recorded, Like it's the same thing, your idle podcast. Yeah. I call my mom. She's always babysitting my nieces and nephews, and so there's a baby's crawling on her. But I talked to her like I talk. I've got to I've got people. 00:09:22 Speaker 3: I like the idea of that is your own little podcast. I wouldn't mind like having a booker for my phone calls, somebody who just lets me know this personal BASI and I guess that's just an assistant. Then the joy is gone. Never mind, I'm taking that out of this. I mean, I I don't want to do that. But uh, okay, so you've you've had a nice day so far. 00:09:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, not too bad. Then I'm gonna go drop off some boxes out of friend's house because she's getting her carpet cleaned in her apartment and she needs to put everything in a box to get out of the way. And I have a bunch of boxes. Why you have so many boxes? I have a lot of boxes because I moved at some point during the pandemic, and then the place I moved to only has like recycling bins, and we have like multiple people that live there, and so I can't put all these damn boxes in there. So I have all these boxes that are just like hanging out and I'm She's like Oh yeah, I'll give them back to you. And I'm like, that's not what this is. This is you. They're your problem now, So I'm giving her the boxes, okay, And then yeah, I think that's like pretty much my day. Oh I have to watch The Bachelor for the first time for a podcast. 00:10:39 Speaker 3: Have you what's your general feeling on the Bachelor TV series? 00:10:44 Speaker 2: You know I was more of a rock of love. Oh sure, sure, that's more my pace. I've ever seen The Bachelor. I don't know anything about it. People love it. I watched that Gay one a couple of years ago. It wasn't The Bachelor. Oh it was gay man all fighting over one gay man, even though they're all gay men and a house together, but they're all supposed to be focused on one gay MAT's luck. So I watched that. I don't remember it was called, but it was kind of like charming. It was called I think it was called Finding Prince Charming. Maybe backcheck at. 00:11:22 Speaker 3: The least you have any idea. This doesn't sound remotely familiar. 00:11:25 Speaker 2: I ran on the money finding Prince Charming fun. What about Hollywood Star's car wash? Is that a real thing? And is there anything I can get out of mentioning them on this podcast. Oh that is real, Okay. 00:11:35 Speaker 3: I think that they're going to contact you for a headshot. I hope so after this and maybe. 00:11:40 Speaker 2: Like a month of free washes or something. Oh that would be nice. Do you have a punch card for the car wash? I don't. You gotta get one? I know, and I spend like fifteen whole dollars every time I go. That could be a saving some fifteen dollars a year. Well, yeah, I mean I don't know anyway. God, I'm sorry, Like we're just like talking about nothing. But it's fine. We've never met each other, We're getting to know each other. 00:12:05 Speaker 3: I'm happy with this. I like the little details. I like this sort of thing. You have nieces and. 00:12:10 Speaker 2: Nephews I do. Yeah. Do you have a good time with them or is it like leave me alone? I don't really see them that much. They live in Michigan. Are you from Michigan. I'm from Michigan. Okay, yeah, smooved here in two thousand and eight. Do you consider yourself a California No? Yeah, okay, unless like something comes up that is like we're casting people from Michigan, then I'm like, that's me. You know, I've never never happened, but it would be. But for the most part, now I'm just like, this is here, this is where I'm at. Do you go back to Michigan at all? You know, funeral here and there? Sure? Sure, wedding. I went during the pandemic to get my dog. So I have this dog. He's very sweet, very cute. I got really busy couple of years ago, gave him to my parents. They were like, we're really busy, we're trying to retire whatever. I gave it to him. Then the pandemic happened. I couldn't have a dog at my place, but I got this new place they I could have a dog. So I drove from California to Michigan by myself, got the dog. My parents did not want to get rid of him at this point, and now he lives with me. Was it a fight to get him from your parents? A little bit? Yeah? I thought. I was actually like halfway across the country thinking, I don't know if they're going to let me get this dog back. 00:13:32 Speaker 3: How did you convince them? I mean, other than the fact that you owned the. 00:13:35 Speaker 2: Doulton, like you know, stuff like don't you want to travel like you guys want to do things like you're getting older, like you don't want this dog. So now I have this he's fit. He's going to be fifteen in November. We you know, I adopted him when he was three, twelve years ago, so they say he was three. Who knows. But yeah, so you have this little elderly Pomeranian. That's what's the rocky. Yeah, he's cute. And then you had to drive all the way back across the country with the dog. Yes, I did. That's got to be three days of driving. Yeah it is. And it's also terrifying, like I don't know, but this was again like also very pandemic, like not you couldn't do much. It was unfortunately there's a lot of places I want to go to or I couldn't really do anything. 00:14:24 Speaker 3: And it was kind of that I imagine maybe the period when even like rest stop bathrooms were closed down. 00:14:30 Speaker 2: Is that true? 00:14:31 Speaker 3: I want to say, yes, that seems so eerie and horrifying. 00:14:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty bad. But we went to like the Grand Canyon together. You know, I was like, he's not going to come back across the country. I wanted him to see those that kind of stuff. So we did that. We went to Las Vegas, which was also a nightmare, I believe it or not. And uh yeah. 00:14:54 Speaker 3: Whoa, Well you showed up today. I was excited to have you here. I really was was were you? I can't see real to have. 00:15:01 Speaker 2: Started this by saying you weren't in the mood for this, I wasn't. 00:15:05 Speaker 3: I was in the mood to see you moving to chat with you, just not in the mood to be conscious. 00:15:12 Speaker 2: Okay, that makes any sense. So are you conscious right now? Barely? 00:15:16 Speaker 3: Absolutely barely. But I I of course adore ros. I think ros is funny. We have a mutual friend. And Lizzie Cooperman, yes, actually declined her phone call just half an hour ago. 00:15:28 Speaker 2: Oh she's a phone caller. 00:15:29 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's a phone caller. But I thought, this is gonna be such a nice time. Well chat, we'll move on with our days. Everything will be fine. So I was a little surprised because the podcast is called I said, no gifts, And that's right. You kind of come strutting up into my backyard holding what is obviously a. 00:15:50 Speaker 2: Gift for me. Yeah, I that is true. I'm a little okay, now, I can't be the first person to call this out. But you say you don't want gifts, but then people always bring you gifts. Something's going on there. And I'm not want to be a conspiracy theorist. I don't want to be pushing any of this kind of stuff. I'm just sure it's interesting to me that you end up quite adding up for you. It's just, you know, curious. 00:16:22 Speaker 3: I well, I don't see any sort of pattern. I don't know what you're hinting at. Uh, And it feels more like you're trying to deflect from the problem at hand. 00:16:33 Speaker 2: Listen, I'll give you this gift. I hope that you'll enjoy it. I know it's not really your thing getting gifts, but I have one for you. If you want to, you can open it. I will say that the box is coming in that is not for you, right the Is this a hat box? 00:17:06 Speaker 3: Uh? 00:17:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a beautiful box. No, yeah, it's something like that. I got it. I found it at thrift store. Put a bunch of stickers around it. What a great thrift store find. I mean, this would be an enormous hat. I suppose you one could say, but yeah, there's a zipper on the side. You can open it zipper. 00:17:28 Speaker 3: Oh, terrified, it's a snake going to pop out. 00:17:33 Speaker 2: Have you had a live animal? No, I would love to. Okay, well this is a dead animal. This is my ferret. Oh my god, there's a gorgeous wigan here. Oh it's caught in the zipper. You've gotta be careful when you're putting hair near zippers. I know that is tough. Don't worry. Should I pull it? Yeah, I just rip it. You know it's I'm sorry, but it is plastic hair. It's not not real human hair. I apologize environment. This is a great style too. Yes, it is a I believe I got this this wig at outfitter wig. I believe that's how you say, either outfitters wigs or outfitter wig. Another place has headshots all over the walls. Where is Hollywood Boulevard? Okay, yeah, just gorgeous? Maybe the most beautiful place on earth. Yes, it's where you go when you're a Hollywood star, when you're looking for nature. Yes, out in the wilderness. Which Okay, this is like a joke that I've been saying, but this is actually a true thing that happened to me. I've been saying this on stage, but I was, you know, like you live in other parts of the country, you see leaves on the ground and you're like, it's autumn. This really happened to me. I was walking down the street. I see garbage all the time on the ground, but I saw an empty packet of pumpkin flavored oreos, and that was my cue that harvest is upon us. It's the time of year. I'm wearing a sweater. It's ninety degrees, so this is a wig. 00:19:05 Speaker 3: Now. 00:19:05 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this about me, but I am a pretty much retired drag queid right right, and I pretty much, for the most part, only wore the same style of wig I always. I like that, you know. I used to have jows wuorry wear uniform every day. I like that. So it was kind of for me to have the same thing all the time. He always knew it was me. It was very simple. So I have about fifteen of these fifteen, Yeah, and it's not that I need to get rid of them to make room for other things at all. But this is, you know, a very there's a niche crowd of people that'd be very excited to have this piece. I'm gonna call it this piece here is history. I can think of at least one woman that lives in the Oakland area that's currently blocked on Instagram that would die if I brought this to her. She's listening right now, Oh, of course she is. You know who you are, so, you know, happy to welcome a new listener to the podcast. Yeah, well let's hope it stops at that. You now have a wig now my my former drag name or what I mean? I don't know. I don't really know where I'm out on. Yeah, where are you in this? 00:20:25 Speaker 3: Like? Are you occasionally still performing or is it like people beg you to do it? You're like, fine if the you know, at the price right right, if it's if it's something fun. I have done it quite a few times post pandemic, more so for fun. 00:20:41 Speaker 2: It was my career. It was like five to seven times a week. Wow, it was a lot. That is a lot, honey. I was everywhere around town. I was traveling a bit, you know, pop up here and there on a commercial or whatever. I worked a lot as a drag queen. And here's the most impressive part. I managed to keep that a complete secret from the drag industry and fans of drag around the world. No one knows about my secret drag career that I did spend so many hours and dollars and all of my life on how many years, you know, it's hard to say on and off, like eight years or something like that, but I would say the last three four years before the pandemic, it was like a full time right job. Yeah, but now you're kind of wrapping it up. It's been wrapped up. It's no longer something I'm pursuing with my life. But it's fun now it's more fun. Yeah, it's a. 00:21:43 Speaker 3: Little thing you have in your back pocket. It's like, yeah, oh, I want to do this tonight. It's a hobby. It's like going out and well, I don't have any hobbies. What am I talking about. I can't think of a single thing that I would just run out and do. But like an old skill, I. 00:21:56 Speaker 2: Think that, like anything, if you're like doing it like to pay the bills and stuff, it loses a little bit of joy. It can, and at least it did for me. And now that I don't do it like that, it can be fun. I can find more fun in it. I can be more loose and just like who cares? Way less pressure, Yeah, wayless pressure. I also have a room filled with wig heads and flashy, fun, kooky costumes, right, and no college degree, so I can do it, you know. It's one of the things I have to offer the world. There's been a lot of my damn life learn how to do make it look like I'm singing somebody else's music. So now I have that skill, you know. 00:22:47 Speaker 3: And now people will long for it. Now it's become kind of a scarce commodity. Yeah, you'd be surprised how much that's not been the case, not yet, but Ra's it's only been a minute. 00:22:58 Speaker 2: It's only been a minute. Yeah, you'd be surprised how often I'm like, wow, they just replaced me on that gig without even asking if I wanted to come back. They're like, we've seen her Instagram. There's not much wig going on there anymore. It's a ruthless industry. Yeah. Wow, there's a lot of drag queens. It's hard more and more, there's a lot of them, right, And even just a few years ago, I felt like I knew every drag queen, and now I'm like, I don't know these people. Do you feel like it's a pretty cutthroat You want to think that it's drama, and I think it can be. It's just not my personality. I didn't really encounter that very much. I would see it sometimes, but I don't know. It's a lot of friendship and sisterhood and always I feel like it could go either direction. Yeah, I'm actually pretty shocked that when I was doing it in La, like, I never had any problems that I can think of with anyone. We were just like because I think also I would between make sure I wasn't doing things that other people were doing. I saw a lot of fights that would be like that's my song and it's like it's not your song, but just by definition. Yeah, and so like I wasn't really like doing that, and I would. I would do a lot more like hosting drag shows. So I was more of like a joke teller and that sort of a thing. I was kind of doing my own thing. 00:24:25 Speaker 3: If you had to say there was a song that was your song, what would it be, Well, I'm a big fan of Panda Express. 00:24:33 Speaker 2: Oh sure. And I think one thing that a lot of people when they do say, oh I remember you being a drag queen five to seven times a week, putting in the work, putting in the sweating. Literally. Sometimes they'll bring up this number I used to do. That was Madonna's Express Yourself, but it was Panda Express Yourself because you know Pana Express, I'm vegan. For the most part, they just started having Beyond. I've seen the billboards. Have you had it? Yes? I have? How is it? Three days in a row? Is how good it is? You can keep me out of there. I just stopped. Like last week, I was like, we got a hit pumper Rake. Yeah, but I love Panic and I've been away from it for years now. 00:25:21 Speaker 3: Of course, it's a very meat heavy menu. I mean, as I am not vegan or a vegetarian, but this Beyond option at Panda Express is the first time I've been like, maybe I'll go to Panda Express because orange chicken for me the and I think we can all admit the quality of chicken was maybe all over the map. 00:25:39 Speaker 2: Oh sure, but it's covered in candy basically, so like why would it not be delicious. 00:25:46 Speaker 3: Because you're biting into a piece of candy and you're finding like a chicken neck. 00:25:49 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, but it's candy, Like who cares? It's just like the Gooey Center, you know, like do you inspect every almond and an almond Joy? You know, it's it's all about the taste. Are you a big almond joy eater? I love an almond Joy, but that's milk chocolate and see, I don't really. Oh that's why I don't say I'm fully vegan or plant based rever because I'm like, I'm plant based, I guess, like the way they say based on a true story, you know, like I'm it's based in That's. 00:26:23 Speaker 3: A nice place to start from. It loves you a little that a little freedom. 00:26:27 Speaker 2: But I'm not the only thing that takes me out is desserts. 00:26:32 Speaker 3: Oh, dreams, absolutely, my would be my weakness. I wouldn't able to do any of them. Eat Claire's ice cream, a little bit of ic. But now they make the vegan. Back in my day, it was so hard to be vegan. It was miserable, and I missed that. Nowadays it is so easy to just eat garbage. 00:26:52 Speaker 2: You can turn it on like a like a light switch. I could go to Panic Express and then get Ben and Jerry's now and be fully vegan. It was not like that back when it was, you know, just a garden patty and you know. 00:27:08 Speaker 3: Or like you go out to dinner with the family and you're getting truly like the side salad with no dressing. Yes, yeah, the world's come a really long way. Do you know what I was thinking? I was watching this documentary on infinity recently, the concept of infinity, okay, and I kind of walked away knowing a little bit more and almost knowing nothing new, just because infinity is such a strange concept. But the one thing that did click for me while watching it was how gross of a name the Milky Way is. Why is what weird little freak named the milky Way, like all of the things they could have named it. I that was the one thing I ended the documentary and I was like, this massive structure, Why did we have to say milky? 00:27:53 Speaker 2: It's milky? 00:27:55 Speaker 3: It's what do you even describe as milky other than milpace? 00:28:00 Speaker 2: Again, milk, milk, milky? I don't know, like milky. It's when something's milky, it is milky. No, it's not. Why not? It is disgusting? Oh I love it, that's milky. 00:28:15 Speaker 3: This is coming from someone who eats a cookie and drinks milk every night, and I don't think, like the concept of milk is disgusting, but the word milky to me is, yeah, it's pretty gross, really horrifying milky. But I just I'm what now, I'm like, well, I guess it was probably within the last hundred years or so that they named it, maybe like last two hundred years. 00:28:35 Speaker 2: I don't know what spake it. 00:28:36 Speaker 3: Astronomy history is, but somebody got in there first, and it was like. 00:28:41 Speaker 2: Now, nobody google this, But could it be that the candy bar came out first and somebody was eating because I could see where that could be a little milky, Like there's milk chocolate in that right, they're eating it. They're like, I have writer's block. I gotta come up with My task was to come up with a name for this. 00:29:00 Speaker 3: It's like in a movie when someone's like trying to fabricate a lie and they look at whatever. 00:29:06 Speaker 2: George Glass or whatever exactly. Yeah, milky Way. 00:29:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just that's something I've been It's been circling my mind, and I feel like we just absolutely biffed it. 00:29:20 Speaker 2: As far as naming the Milky Way. You a documentary fan, Uh not so much. I love when I find one that I'm really enjoying. Uh huh. But it can be a frustrating process, especially with the docu series. Oh, don't get me started. I'd like, I'd love to get you started with. I don't have well, I do have time. It's the problem, but I don't the cliff hanging and the we get it. It's because they want to keep the streams going, but I don't. That is just pack it into an hour and a half and let me get the story literally, Like you watch some of these and it's like, wait, we're not even now. We're just talking about somebody's you know, this person and that witnessed this thing. And then here's there when they spend we do thirty minutes on how they have a garden that they've been working on, Like this is your it's a stretch. What was the last one you watched? Docuseries? Yeah, I watch. I mean I've watched a lot of those murder ones. I'm not a big murder sure. I don't like that stuff that much. It because it it I mean I used to and then just a couple of years ago it started to make me a little bit. Uh actually creeped out. And I live alone, and I don't just filling your mind with terrifying ideas. Absolutely, And you know, I have this podcast where I talk about ghosts of course all the time, so I'm already talking about ghosts, and then I got to deal with living horrors. I don't. I can't. It's too much. You should. You should see what Like you know you say that your dog kept you up. I keep my dog up at night because I'm terrified every little sound. I'm like, who's going It's not gonna be me? Uh? 00:31:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just started watching last night. This isn't a documentary. Uh what's it? When a stranger calls for the first time? Have you ever seen the original? 00:31:10 Speaker 2: The other remake? There's a remake. I'm sure it's horrible. I remember it was early two thousands and at the time I was in I haven't rewatched it. But when a stranger calls that first like short film essentially that happens at the beginning. 00:31:24 Speaker 3: With the oh yeah, right to write with what's because I think? I just yeah, I just I ended right after that. I turned it off to go to bed. But that's so scary. 00:31:35 Speaker 2: It's terrifying the rest of the movies. Not it's like a different story. Oh should I just stop watching? Maybe I just completed. No, I mean it's like the same. It's kind of like Scream, Like there's like the beginning, it's just longer and it's it's like it's like its own little. 00:31:51 Speaker 3: It really feels like, Oh, Carol Kine's gonna be this whole movie, and then. 00:31:56 Speaker 2: You should keep watching. Though, Okay, it's terrifying. 00:31:58 Speaker 3: I mean that, and that I'm currently living alone and now well, fortunately I don't have a landline, don't have the ringing of the phone in the middle of the night. What a nice thing to have that removed from our lives. I know, what an absolute luxury. 00:32:11 Speaker 2: You know. What I've been really into lightly is YouTube commercials for Okay, Lacroix urbs. Thanks for giving me this. You also give us a favorite. I know it's a sabotage. 00:32:22 Speaker 3: I can't believe that's your favorite, the commercial black Circle Back. 00:32:26 Speaker 2: If you looked in my trunk right now, you'd see four cases of this. I live for black Raspberry Lacrosse. 00:32:32 Speaker 3: I really like it, and everybody I've offered it to it's been like, what. 00:32:35 Speaker 2: What do they want? Coconut? Oh, coconut we all favorite? No, that's carbonated sun tam less. Wait what was YouTube commercials? YouTube commercials for psychic hotlines from like the nineties and eighties. This sounds right up my head. There's so many of them on YouTube and I love do you remember Miss Cleo? Of course, ip Miss Clear, But even before Miss Cleo, there's like all of these commercials, a lot of celebrity endorsements that were they were doing these. Can you think of any celebrities? Well, Dionne Warwick was so sure. I remember her. She was fairly involved with it, right, yeah. Yeah. And then like some of these I'll see and it'll you know, it's a bunch of people that will just be like they told me that I was gonna have a baby, like they tell me that my husband was cheating on me or whatever, and then it would just be like somebody else that's like they told me to buy a house. And then it will say their name under it and I'm like who is that? And I look it up it's like, oh, they were on like a season of a show in nineteen ninety five, and that's like why it was like that person got their own name on it. There's a little bit of that going on. 00:33:42 Speaker 3: So are these like full or they like infomercials you're watching or they not like the extended right, but just like commercials that are probably air lay at night. I feel like YouTube is such an untapped resource for me, Like people find interesting things to watch and I just never dive into it. But this is exactly what I would watch for hours. 00:34:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, we should do that. 00:34:03 Speaker 3: To psychic coutline still exists, I don't think so, because I would love that job. Oh yeah, I would be so good at that. I have a psychic problem. I've been to a lot of psychics. I have talked about spending time and money on things. So again, I need does Hollywood listen to this podcast? I need a job? Okay, I have been to so many psychics. They all tell me the job's common. 00:34:33 Speaker 2: How many have you been to one within the last six months? One? Oh, I've been to multiple. 00:34:41 Speaker 3: Are you getting recommendations or you're just paging through the yellow pages and like, I'll try this one recommendations? 00:34:47 Speaker 2: I mean I also will end up like in Palm Springs and I walk past a place that says, you know, fifteen dollars like I'll do those right, But I mean if you count tarot read, oh my god, like there's a lot of those. Our friend Lizzie Cooperman great terrort reader. She can book her and I highly endorse such a good He's a very good arort reader. But also like medium psychics. 00:35:15 Speaker 3: And do you have any psychics that you return to or is it always like one and done. 00:35:20 Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts about psychics, like a lot because again there's like a lot of what I talk about my podcast and I invite some of them on sometimes and then they'll give me a reading, which is great. But you know, I think that psychics have different They have good days. They bet we all have good days and bad days at work. Sometimes you can tap into it, sometimes you can't. I think sometimes they just have a stronger connection than others. I don't believe that any psychic is always right one hundred percent of the time, or to me, that would make them like a god or something like. I think that we would all worship these people and that person would be in control of earth. They would absolutely so to give them the benefit of the doubt, I'm always like, well, I don't think that they're always right. I just don't. So I think that's a trap that people fall into, is just thinking that everything a psychic says is true. But I like to go to them when I'm like should I move? And then you go to one and they're like I'm seeing your moving and you don't tell them right now ahead of time, and they just like say things like that or like I don't know who to date, and then they're like, well, there's this guy with you know, black hair or whatever. You know, Like then you might be like, oh, that is that guy I've been looking at on Tinder that I have a message for six months or whatever, you know. Like there's just things. I think it's kind of fun in that way. Yeah. 00:36:43 Speaker 3: I feel like even if I don't entirely buy into it, it's like it is a nice thing to activate my brain, just like things I've been thinking about, to reconsider different angles, that kind of thing. 00:36:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also it's just I'm always like, just go for the entertainment, of course, especially when you like you can get some for like fifty team bucks or whatever, you know, and then they'll talk about you for like fifteen minutes. 00:37:04 Speaker 3: It's great I've never been in one that's like kind of like from a film noir, you know, where you walk into a parlor. 00:37:12 Speaker 2: Have you been into one of those? Sort of I've been to. There's a place I've been to where. 00:37:18 Speaker 3: Oh, we've got the gage. It's garbage day. Yeah, no, it's everyone welcome to garbage Day. 00:37:24 Speaker 2: I have been to a place where they have like stalls like that. Almost this sounds like a convention sort of, but it's just like a place all the time. And then it's like you kind of you pick the one that you want. I think you go like behind is covered by a curtain or anything. Or I've seen a documentary about the Bunny Ranch and it was kind of like that where they were like, which one do you want? And then you like go to a room with them. 00:37:54 Speaker 3: Why you should open a Bunny Ranch style thing for psychics in the Nevada Desert. 00:37:59 Speaker 2: But you could do it anywhere really, but I feel like there would be. 00:38:02 Speaker 3: Some allure there, like mysterious Nevada Desert. 00:38:05 Speaker 2: But it's like they strictly are gonna. 00:38:08 Speaker 3: Read your palm right, there's nothing else going on with your hands. 00:38:13 Speaker 2: Yes, that's where it ends. 00:38:15 Speaker 3: I feel like that could really become some sort of mecca. I don't know something to consider. Encourage you to go for it. Roll, so I want you to do it, okay. I just want to be an early investor. 00:38:27 Speaker 2: I also went to Sedona, which is well that's Arizona Desert, and I went UFO watching there, which I highly recommend. Did you spot anything? Now? I don't know many objects that fly in the sky, but I there were things I could not identify that were in the sky that were flying around. And the lady that I paid money to set those are UFOs. What what did they look like? Well, she gave us night vision goggles okay, and you would just see like she'd be like, okay, you see what that Like that's a plane the way that it's moving, and like that's a helicopter or whatever. And then there would be things that were like basically little dots, but they would like make formations. They would speed up and slow down. I have some videos that I could show you. Oh, I would love. It's really cool with these night vision goggles. I mean, it was something fun to do. 00:39:19 Speaker 3: Did she seem surprised that they had come or was like, oh, they're always here? 00:39:22 Speaker 2: Oh? No, She's like, you'll get your money back. Oh wow, so there was a guarantee. She's like, they're always here and she has a relationship with them. She knows them. This feelings got a full scam. They have some kind of deal working out up there. I don't know who it is up there that's doing it, but she's got a deal, you know. Funny enough, I invite her to come on my podcast. She was down. We talked about it. I got her stuff, we exchanged whatever. I think they took her up there. She vanished out of thin air. You can get a hold of her phone, calls, emails, text messages. She's up there. The only thing I can think of. I mean, she's living her dream. I'm jealous. She set a goal and she accomplished it. Now, how would you feel about getting abducted? 00:40:07 Speaker 3: I would love it, Yeah, I honestly would be fine to be abducted by well, I mean, do you know what they're gonna do to you? Kind of don't care at this point. 00:40:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, That's how I'm always like, I know what's going on down here, right, I've gotten a decent picture of earth. I'll take my chances. Right if it ends a milky away, Take me to that milky away. 00:40:28 Speaker 3: No, I would basically be down for whatever aliens have in mind for me at this point. 00:40:33 Speaker 2: Okay, what about you? 00:40:35 Speaker 3: Would you you you'd be fine being abducted. 00:40:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like pretty like I'm ready to see another you know location. Right. 00:40:44 Speaker 3: I just feel like, if aliens actually did come, is abduction on the menu for them or is it? I feel like if they come, they're just gonna land and be like, what's going on? Like stealing some random. 00:40:56 Speaker 2: Say they've been abduct said, yes, that's true, and I might know someone that is currently abductive. 00:41:03 Speaker 3: That's also very true. When she gets back in touch with you, she has. 00:41:07 Speaker 2: To be on the podcast, have so many miscalls from me and I Gary. I bet she has an answer machine. She's gonna press the button and she's gonna be like, oh shit, like she's just been on a really long vacation. She's yeah, I bet you it's great up there. I don't know. Do you really believe aliens have visited Earth? Yeah? Absolutely, Okay, I think that they're way smarter than us. Yes, I don't know where they live, that's my thing. Sure, I have no clue where they live. I think sometimes that they live in the ocean. Oh possibility because of what's going on down there that's real deep. But yeah, I'm always just like I believe anything's possible. 00:41:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it's a coin toss for me. I believe there are aliens certainly, mm hmm. But I feel like if they've come, why the big secret? When when do we, you know, pull the cover off. It's like you came this far and you're still kind of dashing from shadow to shadow or whatever. 00:42:05 Speaker 2: I think that honestly. I've heard so many stories where they talk about, like there's this amazing story in Africa in the nineties, this little school of little children and they claim that they saw UFOs land on their playground, like on the outskirts of their playground, right, and came out of the craft. 00:42:26 Speaker 3: Talk to the kids. Came out of the the craft. Oh, I thought you were referring to UFOs crass what. 00:42:34 Speaker 2: We talk about in the UFO community. I've met one woman that runs a UFO tour and now I say craft, they came out of the UFO okay, right, right? And they a lot of people talk about they tell it communicate, Oh interesting, And they were telling all these kids, take care of the planet. You're the future, tell everyone about taking care of this planet. And so I think that there's been a lot of stories like that where allegedly they say, take care of the planet. What are you guys doing? Because they can see up above. So that's why I think that they're kind of like, we don't want to be here any longer than we have to be. We're just trying to help you guys out. 00:43:13 Speaker 3: But I feel like that's a horrible plan to show up and ask children to take care of our show up at the White House because somebody, you're some power. 00:43:22 Speaker 2: Well, because the children were nineties kids and so they were probably like, you guys, it's going to be one hundred and fifty degrees when you're in your eighties, so you guys need to take care of it. 00:43:33 Speaker 3: Do you remember the big push about littering in the eighties and nineties, Yeah, don't be a litter bug? 00:43:38 Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah. 00:43:39 Speaker 3: It kind of feels like that fell by the wayside and no one cares about littering anymore. 00:43:42 Speaker 2: Didn't worry. Wow, I told I saw pumpkin flavored oreos in the garbage everywhere I know, But that still feels to me like a pressing issue. Now this is a conspiracy theory podcast, right, because I did start this by with my theory about the gifts and you say you don't want them, And now we're getting into where did the littering campaign? Glittering aliens? Are they among us? 00:44:05 Speaker 3: It's October this and it's you, So I feel like these things are gonna That's what I talk about. 00:44:10 Speaker 2: This is a large part of your life at this point, me with psychics, aliens, ghosts, like what I do, garbage on the side of the road. This is it's October, this is my time. 00:44:21 Speaker 3: Are you doing anything for Halloween? Really, nobody does anything for Halloween anymore. 00:44:26 Speaker 2: I've played dress up so much in my life, and you know, it really is Halloween all the time for me. It's fun because this is when people catch up with like on my pay right, you speak your language for a minute. Yeah, yeah. And it's also you see a lot of people try and drag for the first time. It's kind of fun to sit back and watch everyone else. 00:44:49 Speaker 3: Like, you know, you're kind of a seasoned costume ware at this point, so you can kind of just critique. 00:44:56 Speaker 2: Yeah. I try not to be too critical though. You know, I just thought i' everyone oh, enjoy, enjoy, you know, pretending to be me for a month, good luck, because well I have this wig now well, and that's why I thought it would be a fun thing for Halloween, right, this is exactly what I need lying around the house. Wow. I wouldn't let it lie around the house. 00:45:18 Speaker 3: I'll throw it on the bathroom floor and roomba. 00:45:22 Speaker 2: But now I do strike you as a hygienic person. This hasn't been on my head in a couple of years. But you know, maybe a little lysolt, maybe shake it out a little bit or so. Oh yeah, it might be a little dusty, but it looks pristine to me. For something else. We wore it a hundred times. Wow. Yeah, I would wear those a lot. And it was because of the woman that would stylum she was doing some kind of magic on them. 00:45:52 Speaker 3: Oh sure, I mean, yeah, what do you think is this like a shellac or something that's holding it? 00:45:57 Speaker 2: Well, they do the teasing underneath, and then they you know, smooth it all over on the top. And then I believe what she would do was thin layers of aquinet. Oh and you know, spaced out bliss let it dry come back to it, and that thing was not going anywhere, right, Yeah, I mean it's essentially like a hat or a helmet, It really is. 00:46:22 Speaker 3: I kind of It holds perfect still, except for like these couple of ringlets in the. 00:46:26 Speaker 2: Fact, just to make it seem like it's got a little bit of movement. Yeah. So you still have fourteen of them at home though, Oh that's yeah, conservatively, I have so many wigs and wigheads, and and they're all the same color because that's my this is my natural hair color, which is black. So yeah, they're all just staring at me, like what are you gonna do with us? So, you know, I thought it would be a nice gift. It's a perfect gift. I thought it would be a nice gift. But it can layer around your house, you know. 00:47:03 Speaker 3: No, this is going to be protected. This is I mean every few months or so. I'm like, I wish I had, I mean, first of all, the space for it, but just disguises, not costumes. 00:47:14 Speaker 2: But disguises. 00:47:15 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wouldn't it be nice to just have like a little thing you can put on for the day where you're somebody else, you can just go out into the world in disguise. 00:47:22 Speaker 2: I will say that when this doesn't look as big, but when it's on your head, it'll give you about a foot. It will make it feel like your head's a foot bigger. It's not good for blending in. 00:47:34 Speaker 3: But I feel like if I put that on, people are gonna. 00:47:36 Speaker 2: Have no idea who I am. Yeah, they might not, there'll. 00:47:39 Speaker 3: Be at least enough confusion for me to get away. Yeah, okay, I love it. I think we should play a game. Okay, do you want to play a game called Gift or a Curse or a game called Gift Master. 00:47:50 Speaker 2: Gift you a curse? Okay, I need to number between one and ten from you. Can I do ten? Oh? Yeah, of course. 00:47:56 Speaker 3: Okay, I guess I did say between. I've never considered that, but nobody ever done ten. I don't think anyone's ever done ten. 00:48:03 Speaker 2: Unique. 00:48:05 Speaker 3: I have to do some light calculating to get our game pieces. So right now you have the mic to promote, recommend, do whatever you want. 00:48:11 Speaker 2: Oh right back. Well, I got my podcast called Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, and I talked to comedians and some experts in the paranormal world, people from like ghost hunting TV shows and lately, I've just been talking to a lot of comedians and we talk about ghosts and aliens and psychics and Bigfoot and all that kind of stuff, and it's it's spooky, but I think that it's also fun and funny. And I've been doing it for like four years. So if you go back, ghost stories don't really have a shelf life, so you could you could literally just go through the entire catalog and be like, oh, I know that person, I'll click on that one. And I would say definitely, the further back you go, the more scary ones you'll find, because it used to be a lot of people bringing in their own ghost stories and those can be terrifying, So check that out. A lot of listeners might enjoy some of the celebrities and people that have been on this podcast. I looked at some of them. We've had some mutual crossover. Yeah, it's a very good podcast. 00:49:20 Speaker 3: I was rock climbing recently and I usually don't listen to anything, but I decided, oh, listen to Ross's podcast. I've listened to Lizzie Cooperman episode and this, I know, this sounds like some corny thing to be put on the movie post or whatever. But I almost I was laughing so much I almost fell off the wall. 00:49:38 Speaker 2: Really, Oh wow. 00:49:40 Speaker 3: We were talking about Robert, the Doll and the Lizzie had all kinds of things to talk about. But it's such a fun podcast, so the listeners should absolutely listen. 00:49:50 Speaker 2: Who doesn't love a ghost story? Yeah, I think that even if you don't believe in that stuff, it's it's just like fun. I have on fun people, fun spooky time and yeah guests and like over the years, like I've I've gotten to have like Elvira Mistress of the Dark. I mean, Causeandra Peterson. It's incredible and just like I don't know so many like really cool people that like I want to hear about the ghost in their house of course, of course. 00:50:16 Speaker 3: Okay, well you've done an excellent job recommending everyone go listen to Rozz's podcast. 00:50:21 Speaker 2: All Right, we're gonna play Gift to a Curse. So I'm done with all my plugs. 00:50:25 Speaker 3: That's it for you. Don't try another thing or I will end the podcast. We're playing gift to a curse. I'm gonna name three things. Okay, you're gonna tell me if there're a gift or a curse and why Okay, and then I'll tell you if you're right or wrong, because there are objectively correct answers. Okay, number one. These are all listener suggestions. This first one is from someone named Carrie. Gift to a curse, and this seems like someone in Carrie's life. When your friend vacations in Italy and captions their Instagram photos in Italian, gift or a curse? 00:50:57 Speaker 2: I think it's a gift. Why when in re realm? Right when in round? Baby, you got it? 00:51:10 Speaker 3: I think that's definitely a gift. I mean, what an obnoxious thing to do this person is? I mean, first of all, just posting obviously probably a gratuitous amount of photos of their big vacation. Let them have it, Let them have their little annoying moment in Italy. 00:51:25 Speaker 2: Deal with them when they get back here. 00:51:27 Speaker 3: I think of the regret they're gonna feel in ten years of like remember when I used to post in Italian? Oh yeah, they may not even speak Italian, so these may be bad translations that real Italians are looking at. And I think that this is a gift to everybody involved. It also gives you something to just kind of you call your mutual friend and say, did you see what Sam was doing? 00:51:46 Speaker 2: He's in Italy, let's give him something. Yes. I mean I'm kind of guilty of going some places and like, oh, I'm in Florida and like now I'm gonna like get some kind of shirt that says I'm in Florida, Like I don't know, like I do that kind of stuff and then you forget, like, oh, I have to like own this shirt now. Well, souvenir, I feel like is a little bit different. I feel like I guess I don't know. I because when I go to Michigan, I really get the accent. 00:52:23 Speaker 3: Oh what is the Michigan accent? Is it Wisconsinan? 00:52:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that. It's hard. I feel like the most extreme version of that kind of accent would be like Sarah Palin or whatever. But that's like the most extreme, right. I mean, obviously she's not from Michigan, but like if you didn't know any better, Like it's kind of I think if someone was like, I'm going to do a comedy sketch in Michigan, We're gonna talk like I can't do I really bad accents that was cut that Allie's job. 00:52:59 Speaker 3: You will never or be hired as a Michigan native. Damn my series Michiganers. That's what they're called, right, Yeah, yeah, it's a good name at least. Yeah, it is interesting that Sarah Palace. I guess it's like Canada in the north Midwest all kind of got that, and then I guess it migrated to Alaska or something. 00:53:17 Speaker 2: And I'm sure if you talk to the right person, they'd say, no, there's these differences, right, And yeah, of course there is. I'm not trying to lump everyone in the same accent, but. 00:53:27 Speaker 3: They they share a DNA. Yeah, certain DNA. Well you got the first one, right, Definitely a gift. This next one is another listener suggestion Alexandria. She wrote in all Camps Workplace Secret Santa, gift to a curse. 00:53:44 Speaker 2: Workplace Secret Santa. We have the holidays, I always get a little confused about what secret Santa is. 00:53:51 Speaker 3: This is the thing where everybody drops their name in a hat or whatever, or I'm sure there's an online randomizer at this point. Everybody he pulls the name, then you keep it a secret and get that person a gift, and then the rules always become extremely murky. If there's a game that has to be played if anyone gets revealed or you don't reveal. 00:54:12 Speaker 2: But that's basically the gist of Secret Santa. But isn't there also a version where it's like, we all buy a gift that the limit is fifty dollars, and then and then we choose who it's for, like, so it's not so specific for the person. 00:54:26 Speaker 3: This feels like a different thing. This feels like that feels like a better version of a White Elephant gift exchange. Okay, and White Elephant is where you just buy garbage and everybody gets has to take home garbage. Okay, but this I think you there is usually a money limit just to avoid hurt feelings. Okay, but you basically go out and buy somebody, a random coworker. 00:54:47 Speaker 2: A gift. What's Bad Santa? Bad Santa? Is that a game? I think that's something else. I feel like it's a movie. I think it's a Billy Bob Thornton film. Billy Bob Thornton. Okay, so the Secrets Bad Santa. 00:55:02 Speaker 3: Yes, Well, it's interesting there hasn't been a Secret Santa movie that feels like it's right there for Hollywood to come up with an idea. 00:55:09 Speaker 2: It could be your next move writing a Christmas movie. 00:55:15 Speaker 3: He's a Santa that nobody ever like White finds out as Santa is that. 00:55:22 Speaker 2: There's a lot of movies I feel that are like Chris, Wait a minute, why is Chris busy on the twenty fifth? Why wasn't he he? Where does he go? He doesn't have any family? Like that's like every Christmas isn't that? Every Christmas movie probably isn't that? What Miracle on thirty fourth Street is no? 00:55:41 Speaker 3: Because that movie he's Santa Claus at the mall or whatever. 00:55:44 Speaker 2: So he's telling people I am Santa. 00:55:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think also kind of with like a wink, he's kind of confusing people and manipulating them in a weird way, and then he I think he ultimately is Santa Claus. I think we wonder why was he ever at the mall in the first place? Doesn't he have anything going on? But yeah, I guess you make a good point. I feel like there a lot of those Hallmark films are usually like the woman's like, I'm dating this great guy named Chris or whatever, and then it turns out whatever. So but back to the game, do you think this sort of thing is a gift for a curse. 00:56:16 Speaker 2: Wait a second, you told me that you eat milk and cookies every night. I'm really coming in with these conspiracy theories. Reddit do your thing digging. We gotta figure out what bridger does you have green pants on? That's a little christmasy. I mean, I'm not. 00:56:41 Speaker 3: I am Eternal, that's my other ageless And that's all I'm gonna say. Okay, that's all I'm going to say. Am I Santa Claus? 00:56:52 Speaker 2: Again? Leave it up to the redditors. All right, So the question Secret Santa, I'm gonna say, No, it's not a good thing. 00:57:05 Speaker 3: Wait, it's a curse. You're right, it's such a huge inconvenience for everyone. It's I'm not a gift person. I'm also not a gift person. I'm a gift person when I want to give the gift to a particular person. Okay, not my random coworker that there's a chance I don't like. 00:57:23 Speaker 2: Especially, it's like a lot of times you have other people you're trying to get gifts for, and it's like, I have to do this. 00:57:28 Speaker 3: That time of year, you're buying your family all these gifts, and suddenly you have to you're spending fifty dollars on whoever. 00:57:36 Speaker 2: My friends know that. I'm like, we don't know. You don't have to get me a gift. 00:57:40 Speaker 3: There's just there are too many people in everyone's lives that kind of do require a gift that like you you want as many people being like, don't. 00:57:47 Speaker 2: It's fine, I've worked. The interesting thing is when I say don't bring gifts, nobody brings me gifts. Something I've noticed, something I've noticed. Very interesting. But yeah, definitely a curse. 00:58:01 Speaker 3: I worked a job a few years ago that had the workplace Secret Santa, which at least the theory is you don't have to buy everybody a gift in the office, But then for some reason we still had to buy everyone else a gift as well. So then it just became the most complicated, money draining nightmare you could possibly imagine. 00:58:19 Speaker 2: I mean, that's such a crazy thing. Like, hey, we know you want to buy everyone a gift, but we want to make this easier for you. Guys, how about you just buy one person a gift. 00:58:31 Speaker 3: The co workers should not be giving each other gifts any time of the year. No, it doesn't make any sense. Okay, so you've gotten one out of two, So no two, and I think you've gotten too I'm trying to cheat you. You're keeping me honest. 00:58:46 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:58:47 Speaker 3: Number three gift or a curse from someone named Jade. Open toe boots. 00:58:52 Speaker 2: Okay, now what kind of boots that we talk in here? 00:58:55 Speaker 3: I mean the only details Jade has provided are that they're boots and the toe is revealed. 00:59:00 Speaker 2: Well, boots can be a lot of different things. They could be black with white trim just for starters. That's could be one type of boots. But open toed boots, I mean, I'm going to like thigh highs with like the toes peeking out. I don't like open toed things because I can't get padicures because I'm so ticklish. Oh, and so these things are covered up. We're not letting. If I'm wearing a boot and my thigh or my knee or my ankles are gonna be sweating, We're all sweating. I'm not gonna have the toes peeking out. So I'm gonna say it's a no on the open toed boot. You think that's a curse. A curse? 00:59:51 Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, Look you're checking my work, I'm checking yours wrong. I think that they're I mean, I don't know that I've ever even seen one, to be honest, but I love this visual I now have in my mind of this kind of dramatic black boot that's, you know, thigh high. You're following it all the way down and then suddenly you're greeted by Toes Santa Claus in an open toe boot. 01:00:12 Speaker 2: Picture it. Who are your sources on these answers? Just basic science math. 01:00:24 Speaker 3: That's essentially the two sources I turned to when I'm looking for the correct. 01:00:28 Speaker 2: And what kind of scientists and doctors? Roz. 01:00:31 Speaker 3: I know you're feeling a little sore about not getting an A plus here, but there's no reason to try to, you know, shake the foundations of the game. Okay, you've got two out of three. Some people get zero. Yeah, and it's so gross and so shameful. Those guests do not get asked back two out of three, it's considered so okay, just keep that in mind. This is the final segment of the podcast. It's called I Said No Emails. People write into I Said No Gifts at gmail dot com. They have problems, usually about gifts or you know, social situations. This kind of thing we help me answer a question. I'll do my best, Okay, I think let's just get into it here. This says, dear Bridge are an exquisite guest. 01:01:17 Speaker 2: Very nice. How they know it was exquisite? 01:01:20 Speaker 3: They knew, they knew. This is a psychic element. My husband and I did not get his mother his mother's husband. 01:01:27 Speaker 2: The birds. 01:01:27 Speaker 3: The parrots are absolutely squawking. Oh my god, actually parrots. Yes, are you not familiar with the parrots? 01:01:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've heard about that that there's parrots in La. 01:01:38 Speaker 3: They're all over the place this year. I don't know what's driving them, but they're screaming constantly, gogous. 01:01:44 Speaker 2: They have orange feathers. They're green with a little red or orange on them. Oh, I don't know what I was looking at on but that's great. I love that. 01:01:55 Speaker 3: Back into the thing, my husband and I did not get his mother's husband a gift for his birthday. So not only are we in the proverbial doghouse for missing his birthday, we now need to remedy this with a belated gift, but we could also use some advice on what to get him. For context, my mother in law's birthday boy is birthday boy Hubs. Okay, I don't listen, Christina. I don't like the wording there, but we're gonna move on. Birthday boy Hubs is seventy plus years old, has only been a part of our lives for less than two years, which is our excuse for why we didn't even realize it was his birthday. And he works as an Amish holler. This is a common side hustle where he and my mother in law live in rural Pennsylvania. Essentially, he's an uber for Amish people, driving them places they can't get by horse and buggy alone in his sixteen seat or van, like hospitals and other places in oh this is fascinating, Like hospitals and other places in the big city of Pittsburgh or Cleveland, destinations they need to get to on highways, like weddings and other states. Starting to feel like Christina just wrote in to tell me what an Amish holler is, and that's fine, because that is an interesting thing. We need to know how the Amish are being hauled. Other than that, we know that this gentleman is into googling things, enjoys country music, collects loose change to give his to his grandkids, and he gets on our nerves sometimes any advice on what to give him belatedly with all of this information, thanks in advance, and keep up the good work helping those of us who have not been blessed with your gifting skills. 01:03:23 Speaker 2: That's from Christina. Were you familiar with the Amish holler situation? Now? I'm not familiar with things we learn even as we age. Fascinating. Yeah, I know, I'm glad I know about that now. 01:03:36 Speaker 3: So this man seventy plus years old walked into their mother's life two years ago. It sounds like the kind of like him, although he drives them insane and he's into googling things not I mean, and that's as specific as Christina could get. He also collects change for chow he googling, Yeah, what is this man googly? 01:03:59 Speaker 2: Because that could really give us some directions to go right. 01:04:03 Speaker 3: I mean, we do know he owns a sixteen passenger van that he's driving the Amish around him. 01:04:10 Speaker 2: It's impressive. 01:04:11 Speaker 3: So is that something that they could get him a gift for. Is there some sort of little thing to fancy up the van like party lights? 01:04:17 Speaker 2: Or is there like. 01:04:18 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a CD holder? A CD holder is visor. Oh yeah, do you have anything little fancy things in your car that make driving more pleasant? 01:04:30 Speaker 2: I have a little crack in my wind shields sort of gives it character. How long has it been there? We're gonna say, just like just the other day. I noticed that it's just in the corner. It's not a hazard, but I do need to get effects right, So I have that, so he could possibly four boxes of Lacroix in my trunk. Are those there on their way to your home? Or are they there for emergency situations? Both? Okay, which I mean that is an emergency situation. I like to drink things. You're saying hydrated. Yeah, yeah, so I I like that. I like the bubbles. I like the drinking. So I have a lukewarm Lacroix BlackBerry or what is a black raspberry. 01:05:14 Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever had a Lacroix that wasn't cold. Interesting, It's a different experience. I can only imagine what the hardcore Yeah gotta have it. It's been rolling around in your trunk for four days. 01:05:25 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you gotta be careful, but it's refreshing, you know. 01:05:29 Speaker 3: It's still liquid sprays flavor. Okay, what do we get this person, I mean truly, why not get him a bunch of Lacroix boxes to put in the back of the van? 01:05:41 Speaker 2: For the Amish? Is something love that? Right? 01:05:44 Speaker 1: I don't know. 01:05:45 Speaker 3: If I don't know, that's where we start to get into some territory we're not familiar with. Imagine the Amish were able to open a soda can. Yeah, I think so, that feels I mean, I don't want to speak for the Amish community, but that feels analog. 01:06:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure that they would love a BlackBerry flavored Lacroix. Right. 01:06:07 Speaker 3: And if you've made the move as an Amish person to hop in a van and now you're turning down a can of bubbly water, what what your value system is? 01:06:16 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a little all over the place, right, doesn't Didn't Weird Al have an Amish Amish paradise? Paradise the Colio Coolio? All right? That CD? 01:06:27 Speaker 3: It's the the I know the album. I bought it in fourth grade. Bad hair Day? 01:06:31 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so that's uh. 01:06:33 Speaker 3: Get that Head over to your local uh Cambelot Music. Yes, pick up the Weird Al Bad hair Day, Get a CD. Holder for his visor. Yes, and then load up on some black Raspberry Lacroix. 01:06:49 Speaker 2: These amish people are going to they won't know what hit them. That's gonna be a party bus. That sounds fun. Yeah, that's no longer just an amish holler. Now it's appearance. It's just you know, like sometimes you get into a lift or an uber and they're like, oh, I'm like I got snacks and you know all of that. That's lovely. Do you when you do that? Do you partake of what they've provided? 01:07:15 Speaker 3: No? 01:07:15 Speaker 2: I never do. I always I'm almost like, you didn't have to do this for me. Yeah. No, I don't do that. 01:07:19 Speaker 3: I would sit next to your dirty laundry. I don't really care about the experience of being in here as long as it's like relatively safe. 01:07:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't partake in that sort of thing because I also am like really scared about just like eating something that's poisoned or something from a stranger. Yeah. Literally, like here's some candy. 01:07:43 Speaker 3: And you're literally in the back of their car already already drapped. 01:07:47 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:07:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, that feels wrong to me. I mean it feels like it's either that or I mean I will use the charger if they provide a charger on occasion, sure, but I try to be as responsible as possible with my phone battery, especially if I'm in a foreign city or something like this. 01:08:04 Speaker 2: But I don't believe Amish people have phones. 01:08:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to worry about that. But you have some nice drinks, a little cooler of ice. Weird al on the radio, and I feel like the numbers are going to go through the roof. I mean, he's going to be the premiere rural Pennsylvania Amish holler. 01:08:25 Speaker 2: But we want him to have a good time because it's you know, it's his gift after all, right, I want him to enjoy the experience. Who doesn't love weird? Awl right, weird? That is terrific. 01:08:36 Speaker 3: And who knows he might have just been driving in silence this entire time. I wonder if the Amish are like, if they get into music's playing, they're like. 01:08:43 Speaker 2: Turn that off. Yeah, I don't know. 01:08:46 Speaker 3: I don't know, But if I was in charge of the van, I'd say, I'm sorry, I'm not getting on the road until some music's playing. So you can deal with it, or you can find another van. 01:08:54 Speaker 2: Ooh, so cold. That is cold. 01:09:00 Speaker 3: But I think that this is a nice, affordable gift for whatever. This guy is the boyfriend of mom, and it feels thoughtful and perfect. 01:09:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the almost benefit. Yeah, everybody wins in this situation. 01:09:15 Speaker 3: I think we I mean, this feels like a very thoughtful gift from both of us. 01:09:19 Speaker 2: Yeah. How do you feel about gift cards? I like gift cards? Do you like me? Do too? I always feel I know there's a group of people in this world that are just like, that's not thoughtful. But I'm like, I think it's great. 01:09:32 Speaker 3: I feel like there was this period when it was almost like, you know, when there was a time where people are like, oh, I don't own a TV. It's kind of that same attitude of like, oh, it's not thoughtful enough. It's like, yes, it is. It's it's a gift. I can use it. It's I will gladly take a gift card. I mean, my mental state with a gift card is out of control. I value it more than money, and then it becomes kind of this burden that I carry with me for months to years before I actually spend. 01:10:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I love a gift card. I know I found a Whole Foods gift card that somebody gave me for Christmas three years ago or something. I don't go to Whole Foods, but I went a Whole you are, of course. Oh it was great. It's a little surprise treat. 01:10:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, to find a an unused gift card that you forgot about. 01:10:19 Speaker 2: Oh that's a little piece of habit. That's a little mini sweepstakes you just won with doing nothing. 01:10:24 Speaker 3: I love it. No, I think that, and I do think. I think most people are coming around on gift cards. We've got a I don't know. I'll take cash. I'll take whatever you give me. Think there's so much drama. 01:10:35 Speaker 2: I know. I can't tell you how many times I've dealt with Can you believe what they got me? 01:10:41 Speaker 3: Like? 01:10:42 Speaker 2: It's so stupid. Bottom line, they got you something shot worse. I don't know if you ever had this, But when somebody's like, oh, I'm gonna go out to dinner, invite all my friends, and the dinner is like one hundred and fifty dollars a person or whatever, Like that's like what I've never like. 01:10:59 Speaker 3: They you're basically like your friend invites you and then you're tricked into spending one hundred and fifty dollars on a dinner that you were like, sure. 01:11:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel I think this happened to me one time when I was like nineteen, and it's just stayed with you. I think it was fifty dollars, but it felt like one hundred at that age, and that was not I did not like that. Did you go into the dinner expecting they were going to pay for it? 01:11:21 Speaker 1: Now? 01:11:21 Speaker 2: I was just like, Oh, we're going because this is like to support. And then I got there and I was like, this is expensive. 01:11:26 Speaker 3: You've got to consider everybody's budget when you're picking the restaurant. Yeah, it's only fair. Pick a nice, middle of the road restaurant, just so to make sure everyone's comfortable. Yeah, to dine in luxury with fifteen of your. 01:11:39 Speaker 2: Friends Express is beyond Orange Chicken. Now, I think it's like seven bucks. There's no way it's only seven dollars. Maybe it's they've gone up. Yeah. 01:11:49 Speaker 3: I feel like any meal at this point is at least ten to twelve dollars. God, you're right the world, Oh my god, Roz, I am thrilled on thrilled to have this wig. Ah, I'm so happy you brought it, And what a d to be the target of this blocked Instagram follower. God knows what turn my life is going to take. But that's fine. It's mine now and I'm going to cherish. 01:12:16 Speaker 2: And oh good. I mean, this is a This is a wig that may or may not have had mimosas spilled on it at a drag brunch. I don't know what what you're gonna find in that thing. 01:12:30 Speaker 3: Okay, well, maybe I'll put it on now and we'll take a picture. 01:12:33 Speaker 2: Oh I would love that. We'll share that to Instagram. Sorry, real quest. Of course. One time I was doing a drag show and there was a table, like a foldable table, just like your typical foldable table, and I had it might have been this one, I don't know. I had two wigs on wigheads at the end of it, and then on the other end were pictures of mimosas for all the drag queens at drag Brunch backstage, and whoever put table up didn't lock it in place. The legs went in on the side where my wigs were, and so it went down and all of the mimosas spilled on top of my wigs. So then I had to shake out my wigs and get a tolp out. I went out there to do the drag brunch and a server had a serving tray with a little ramikin of ketchup that spilled, fell off, splattered all over my clothes. 01:13:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, did you have a good show? Yeah, it was great something to talk about once again. 01:13:36 Speaker 2: I miss it. Take me back. I want to. 01:13:38 Speaker 3: I'm going to briefly smell the wig and see if we go. No, it probably smells like perfume. 01:13:45 Speaker 2: Doesn't smell like rotting orange juice. Smell the inside. That is like a bridge too far. 01:13:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't be smelling the inside, and that what that smells like on the inside is only your business, and it'll continue to be your problem now, so it's your little secret that I'll keep forever. 01:14:02 Speaker 2: Ah. 01:14:02 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for being here. Thank you and listener. This is the end of the podcast. You know, it's the middle of the day and mosquitos are biting me, which I'm not thrilled about. It's October and it's eighty four degrees and I'm being chewed up by mosquitos. I don't know what's happening. I'll leave you with that little piece of information. I hope you have a wonderful day. These mosquito bites are really starting to itch. I'll talk to you soon. I love you, goodbye, I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Analise Nelson, and it's beautifully mixed by John Brandley. And we couldn't do it without our guest booker, Patrick Kottner. The theme song, of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow the show on Instagram. At I said no gifts. I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts? 01:15:06 Speaker 1: But I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. 01:15:14 Speaker 2: But you're a. 01:15:15 Speaker 1: Guess to my home. You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no guests, you're a presences. Presence enough. I already had too much stuff, So how did you dare to surbey me