00:00:08 Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest in my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests, you're on presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:47 Speaker 2: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. 00:00:54 Speaker 3: You know. 00:00:54 Speaker 2: I hope you're doing well. I hope you're excited to hear from me. If you're not, I don't know what to tell you. Turn off the podcast to go move on with your life. Otherwise you can hang in here and stick around, because I think we're going to have a very nice time today. I adore the guest today. She's so funny, just the most spectacular Jamie Lee, Jamie Lee, Welcome to. I said, no gifts. 00:01:25 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I'm a thrill to be here. 00:01:29 Speaker 2: How are you? 00:01:31 Speaker 3: I'm doing well? How are you? 00:01:33 Speaker 2: I'm doing okay? You know, I'm doing pretty well. A year in to this whole thing, and I am stronger than ever, Just great, feeling great, doing my thing. Have truly nothing going on in my life outside of recording a podcast once a week and watching the sopranos. 00:02:01 Speaker 3: Okay, those are two big things. Don't understand that. All right. It's a great series, and recording a podcast gives you a chance to see people. So sounds like you're you're doing the damn thing. I wait, what was the question? What am I doing? 00:02:18 Speaker 2: I said, what have you learned from life? What's next for? 00:02:23 Speaker 3: No? 00:02:23 Speaker 2: What have you been up to? 00:02:25 Speaker 3: What if I've been up to? I'm writing still kind of writing a little bit on ted Lasso, even though we're in production for season two right now. We're doing some punch up stuff and we just won two Writers Guild Awards, which was thank you. Yeah, that was really cool. I was like, oh, that's yeah, it was. It was fun. It's so goofy like with awards. You know, you're supposed to be like, oh, you know, that's not why we do it, and obviously it's not. But like it is nice to get recognition because that happens so rarely. 00:02:59 Speaker 2: You know, Like actually now, I mean, there are just so many things it's hard to even stand out at this point, let alone get recognized. Yeah. 00:03:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's just a lot of TV, you know, there's just a lot of stuff to consume, so it's cool that, like, yeah, it's it's nice when when your your thing gets shouted out. It's like, oh yeah, that's the thing I work on. 00:03:20 Speaker 2: So anyways, yeah, now, the w GA Awards were I assume over zoom. Yeah. 00:03:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, well there was like some yes technically, I mean it was like a link we were sent for some new technology not called zoom. 00:03:36 Speaker 2: But still at zoom, like the off brand zoom or something right right right zoom. 00:03:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the whole the whole ceremony was recorded in advance. We were just it wasn't live, Like it was streaming live, but it wasn't live. Like every weird thing was pre recorded. Even the acceptance speeches were pre recorded. 00:03:54 Speaker 2: So odd. 00:03:55 Speaker 3: Yeah. So like my boss and like Jason Sedeikis and like they all had like said their speech in advance in the event that we won, and they acknowledge that too. They're like, weed, this is happening not in real time, but I guess if you're watching this, it means we won. And I'm like, oh my god, it's just so weird. Yeah, really weird. 00:04:16 Speaker 2: Right, And were you aware that? Oh yeah, so no one, that makes no sense. They told every nominee imagine that you've won and say what you would say. That almost feels like psychological torture or something that seems total. 00:04:30 Speaker 3: Bit right, Yeah, go through go through the motions as if you were a winner. You may not be, but just for a second, imagine if you were. 00:04:42 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's wild. Okay, So you've been writing a little bit, but they're in production now. 00:04:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're just doing like punch up here and there. 00:04:50 Speaker 2: What else is going on in your life? 00:04:52 Speaker 1: Then? 00:04:52 Speaker 2: What are you doing with all the other free time, with. 00:04:55 Speaker 3: All the other free time. I'm in New York right now. I'm kind of just hanging out. I was living in LA but yeah, i'm here now. I got separated. That happened during the quarantine. Okay, sure, so now I'm in New York. Yeah, I have like family here, and I just really like being here, especially now that the weather's getting nicer. And I feel like COVID is less COVID y here a little bit. Yeah. I mean, you know, still wear a mask and be safe and all the things, but I don't feel like it has the same sort of isolation culture that it has in LA. I feel like people are trying to make the best of it and go to restaurants and do things that they can do. 00:05:37 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean La already is kind of an isolated place. Even outside of a pandemic, you can really just totally not see people. So yeah, I feel like New York is the place to be right now. 00:05:48 Speaker 3: It's been really nice. Hell yeah, especially now that it's not freezing. I've actually I got here when it wasn't nice. I got here the first week of December and it was like basically hailing outside. It's like froze and rain just every day, and I was like, what am I doing? This is insane? But I guess that's a test with how much I like New York, because even when the weather is just awful, I still appreciate it here. 00:06:14 Speaker 2: So yeah, And where are you living in New York right now? 00:06:17 Speaker 3: I'm living kind of in the West Village. I'm in like a corporate housing apartment, like one of those kind of places. Yes, you can see it. I mean, you know, the listeners won't won't be able to relate. But I do have a very like kind of aggressive accent wall behind me right now with very stripes. It's so we work, That is so true. Yeah, And it's funny being on Zoom because I think like when I've had a Zoom meeting here and they're like, I think people are like, oh, Jamie really is like into interior decorating, I guess, And I'm like, no, this is not this is not representative of my taste at all. 00:06:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that really represents anyone's taste. Thats right, it's just the least so neutral. 00:07:00 Speaker 3: Yes, it's so neutral. It's like it's like a pop of something. But yeah, it's not making a strong choice. I mean stripes. I guess there's some kind of a choice, but yeah, yeah, it's not a statement piece. 00:07:11 Speaker 2: A lot of soft grays and then the occasional bright yellow or bright blue. I feel like, is what you're dealing with there. 00:07:19 Speaker 3: That's exactly right, That's exactly right. 00:07:20 Speaker 2: So when you first got to New York in December, was it just like total lockdown or were you singing? Family? 00:07:26 Speaker 3: I it was somewhere in the middle. I wasn't really seeing my family much, but my cousin at his apartment has like a roof deck, and so I hung out with my aunt and uncle on the roof deck in the freezing cold, like for half an hour and then I was like, guys, I love you, but I gotta go. This is like, this is not a cool hang this sucks. 00:07:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, good grief. Yeah that doesn't sound appealing at all. And now you have this show coming up that I feel like you at a anyone I've ever met has such a great knowledge of weddings, and now you have a show about weddings. 00:08:08 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:08:09 Speaker 2: I need to just hear about this experience, because so the show looks wild and as somebody, I haven't attended that many. I've attended a decent amount of Mormon weddings because I'm from Utah, but as far as I just outside regular weddings, I've attended very few, and so the culture of it is still just mind boggling to me. Has I mean, what was the general experience. How many weddings did you go to. 00:08:33 Speaker 3: For the show? I went to six different weddings. And when I say different, they were, yeah, they really were. They were different in size, they were different in culture. I mean we really kind of experienced all the things. There was like the outdoor hipster you know, wedding in the woods where they are where the couple arrived at the altar via canoe. So it went. Yeah, it was. It's not a really sturdy boat. I gotta say, if you got to take a boat ride, canoe is the one that will probably tip the most. 00:09:07 Speaker 2: Wait, was the bride and a dress in a canoe? 00:09:10 Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, I strongly advised against it, but I think like someone in the wedding party made the canoe. So then there was this element of like they did all of this like woodworking for us, so we have the canoe. Yeah. So there were those types of weddings, but then we also went to a Greek wedding and Nigerian wedding. 00:09:28 Speaker 2: Wow. 00:09:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah so there, Yeah, it was. It was a really really interesting experience. 00:09:35 Speaker 2: What this makes me think is I'm just going to start building a canoe for every couple I go to the wedding of and then just being like why didn't you come in in the canoe. I'm going to try to get as many couples in canoes as possible. I Uh, that seems mild. And now were you all over the country? What was the deal there? 00:09:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, we we went to weddings, yes, everywhere, several in the South one and brought Chester one in San Diego. Yeah, we kinda. We kind of trecked wherever we needed to go, wherever the couple was. So yeah, this again was pre pandemic, so it was very easy to do that. Yeah, this was yeah exactly, we didn't care. I spread I spread that disease all o. I spread it like butter on toast. I just really really got it out there. No, this was all pre pandemic. When you could actually have a travel. 00:10:26 Speaker 2: Show, right and through the filming of the show, did you I have to imagine you winnessed some type of meltdowns, some for wedding freakouts. Were there any particularly exciting ones I would love to hear about a wedding freakout? 00:10:41 Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, I mean a wedding freakout. Yeah, I mean the whole show is sort of based on wedding freakouts of different kinds. So there was like the family freak out where like the bride, you know, didn't really know how to have a tough conversation with her mother. That's when reality TV and you're like, oh, this is real, like I'm actually doing this and it's hard and it's not just for television. It's actually just a really awkward situation. 00:11:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very curious about that aspect of it, because you are knowledgeable, and you're also very personable and very much a people person, but like you're also you're the star of the television show. So I like, what is the agreement made between the wedding party and you as it like, we'll turn will literally turn to Jamie in times of need. Yeah, this is exactly. That's so much pressure for you. I would lose my mind. 00:11:34 Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent. There there was the turn to Jamie in times of need. But luckily there was a feeling because when I got married, I love how I'm like going to be a divorced wedding coach. It's very funny. 00:11:48 Speaker 2: Well, you, miss, you have become the divorce coach. Next she'll be the divorce coach. 00:11:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, unfortunately, especially in American wedding culture, the wedding is almost so separate from the marriage that I think, whether you're divorced or in a marriage, you can still be a wedding coach if you have gone through a wedding, which I did. But yeah, I think because my wedding planning experience was so it had so much turbulence and was such a tough time in my life that I really wished I had had someone who is kind of, you know, non biased or unbiased. I don't know which word that is, but like someone who could just come in and be objective and just be a shoulder to lean on, who kind of had no real skin in the game. Like they're not a family member, they're not trying to be part of the wedding party. They're just kind of neutral and they can be there for you to kind of shoulder some of the burden and a wedding planner. I think they do that to a large degree, but they are someone you're paying, so there's something nice about the Yeah, they have skin in the game. They have made your skin in the game. So I think it's kind of fun to just have someone who's a sort of unofficial expert just be there for you if you need us. 00:13:02 Speaker 2: Right right, I was thinking about, I mean, divorce parties. I know at some point we're kind of becoming a trend. Have you Are you familiar with this? 00:13:10 Speaker 3: I am I've never been to one. Have you been to? 00:13:13 Speaker 2: It feels like a myth to me. I feel like I read about one in time, like in twenty eleven and they like, they're like, this is the new trend. I'm like, yeah, I don't. I mean, I can't imagine that that's a real that that's happening that often. 00:13:26 Speaker 3: I mean, as someone who's going through it or will be going through it. I'm still separated, I think that. Yeah. I mean, look like, if something is ending, there's a reason for it. And I definitely think it is nice when people say, like when they hear that that's happening, that they say like, oh, good for you. Like I appreciate the positive response because I think that it's a lot of pressure when someone's like, oh, are you okay, and it's like, I think I am, but your reaction is making me wonder if I real. 00:14:00 Speaker 2: I mean, I think usually a breakup or a divorce is because things aren't working, and the hope is to make things work for each person individually and they can move on with their lives. I think that's a great thing. 00:14:11 Speaker 3: I do too. And yeah, it's interesting. Most people have been more joyful than filled with pity, but the few that kind of you know, oh that stuff. Yeah, anyone listening who's who's a friend in that situation, just be excited for them. It's way easier. It's way easier for them. 00:14:31 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, the bad thing is going away and we're moving on the divorce party though. I just don't see that. I mean hopefully, so if someone wants to invite me to their divorce party, be my guest. I'm happy to al though, but I just don't see that happening for many people. Do you watch ninety Day Fiance? I have, Yes, Well, we watched a lot of it at the beginning of the pandemic and now have come full circle and our watching it again, and that show feels like a you know, wedding and divorce city, and yeah, what's your experience with it? 00:15:09 Speaker 3: I can't remember which season I watched, but I yeah, I mean it was riveting. I remember the couple. I think it was like the woman. I mean, this is probably a lot of them, but like the woman came over from a foreign country and the guy is kind of like not willing to like change his life for her in any real way, and then she's just like pouting on the edge of the bed and he doesn't understand. And they live in like a one bedroom apartment because he is not a catch. 00:15:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure, I've seen I've seen it myself. 00:15:44 Speaker 3: That's definitely a bunch of the episodes. 00:15:47 Speaker 2: Right, you've just described every couple on that. Yeah. The one I'm watching right now, there's a woman in I think Nebraska who her fiance is from Turkey and does literally doesn't speak a word of English. Their only connection is they're beekeeping, and it is the most frustrating thing to watch in the world. 00:16:07 Speaker 3: I think I have seen that one. 00:16:08 Speaker 2: What is this connection? Truly? What's happening here? 00:16:12 Speaker 3: Yeah? That shows that shows that's a battle. If you don't like reality television, I would say start with ninety Day Fiance. 00:16:20 Speaker 2: That's because right, like, I didn't watch a lot of reality. 00:16:23 Speaker 3: Me neither, I'm really I mean, I made a reality show, but I am not a huge consumer of reality shows, and Ninety Day Fiance I feel like, bridges that gap for a lot of people. 00:16:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why it is. I think it's because it is such a just wild thing to watch. It's just the most inherently bizarre thing to put on television. 00:16:40 Speaker 3: Well, there's also the thing and I felt this with my show as well, like it is really comforting on some level to see how other couples get by and interact and like what their dynamic is, and it kind of either like I don't know, I think it sort of is validating because you can watch people like having arguments and having tension and you're like, oh, okay, I'm normal, like you know, like I mean, Breandon, I think I'm normal compared to most people on Ninety Day Fiance. But I mean, just in general, I think it's just riveting to watch real couples kind of like in the wild, like doing their thing and what that actually looks like. 00:17:19 Speaker 2: Just to see humans interacting with each other. Yeah, boy, wait, did we even say? Did I even say the name of your show? I feel like I'm gonna have a lot of listeners like, what's the name of the show? Why do you say? 00:17:30 Speaker 1: Going on? 00:17:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, people are always I'm very bad at naming things I'm talking about, and the listener just has to be patient with me. Don't write into me. I'll tell you the name of the show. It's called The Wedding Coach. There you go. Now, you don't have to write into me, but you can write in and ask anyway. I don't know. We all have to live our lives, Jamie all that aside. There's something way more important I need to talk to you about. Okay, I'm not thrilled to talk about this. I'm not comfortable, but I feel like while I have you here, I might as well just get into it. The show is called I said no gifts. Everyone knows that this is a podcast with a I mean, very few podcasts just have the rule right in the title there. That's fine. A few weeks ago, you agreed to be on the show, and I was so excited. I thought, you know what, I love Jamie Lee. She's wonderful, she knows about gift giving, she's you know, it was kind of an expert in the subject. This is gonna there will be no speed bumps, there will be no difficulties here. And then a couple days ago, uh, something showed up at my house in a bag and it was from Jamie Lee. And I so immediately, as you know, a lot of things go through my mind. Is it my birthday? And I forgot is there some other occasion that people are celebrating regarding me. No, nothing is happening outside of you being on this podcast. So then the next emotion is anger. I dealt with that, and now I'm just going to I'm going to confront you. Oh wow, okay, is this a gift for me? 00:19:13 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:19:14 Speaker 2: Okay, well let's look at it. Let's take a look. It's a little bag here. It looks like it has some reindeer on it. Okay, deeply out of season. 00:19:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't pick that bag. I didn't pick that bag. But you know, you could think that maybe they were lamas, which is the truthual samas with little things on their head that look like antlers. But never mind, never. 00:19:42 Speaker 2: Mind lamas who have gotten caught in some branches or something. 00:19:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. 00:19:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm willing to accept that. And then some pink tissue. What do you think should I open this here on the show. I'm willing to do it privately. I mean if no, no, no, I think you should open it now. 00:20:05 Speaker 4: Okay, let me get into this, okay, and let. 00:20:15 Speaker 2: Me what is this? I'm immediately putting my hand into it. This looks like some sort of puppet or something. 00:20:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a huge dog toy. 00:20:28 Speaker 2: I was going to say this was either a dog absolutely destroyed dog toy or a puppet. Yeah, but why not both? 00:20:35 Speaker 3: Well, that's What's fun about it though, right, is that it can really be anything you wanted to be. 00:20:40 Speaker 2: What is happening? I demand answers immediately. 00:20:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, so fun story about this, about this dog toy. I have a friend who Okay, so I grew up in Texas and I was not raised religious at all, but I am Jewish and I have this friend who I think like she's like obsessed with my being Jewish, like truly, like in a way that I'm like, I have a lot of pride, but the way that she the way that she focuses and fixates on my Jewishness is honestly, it's like a little alarming. 00:21:22 Speaker 2: Like Jewish. 00:21:24 Speaker 3: No, oh, okay, this she knew. Yeah, I don't think she knew a lot of Jewish people growing up, but I've noticed, like I think for it was for my wedding. I think her gift to me was like a kosher cookbook, and I'm like, I've never in my life cooked kosher. I don't keep kosher. And like then she one time came to my house and it was when I first got my dog, Dennis, and he was poppy, and she was like bringing him presents because she was meeting him for the first time, and she gave me this chicken that you're holding. 00:21:59 Speaker 2: It checks like an alligator throwing up blood. That's that's truly. 00:22:07 Speaker 3: Are you getting alligator throwing up blood. 00:22:12 Speaker 2: Spewing out of the mouth of the But now I'm okay, Now it is a chicken turned this it's kind of like the is it a lady? Is it a young lady or an old lady? That old illustration right right right right right? A younger or an alligator with stomach issues? 00:22:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, with bellels coming out. But anyways, yeah, so she she brought me this chicken and it like it looked the beak is now missing, but it looked like an anti Semitic propaganda like it looked like like like anti Jewish like war propaganda. And I was like, this is insane. Also, whoever makes these dog toys has has something against Jews on some level. And anyways, my dog like bit the beak right off of it like he had. 00:23:00 Speaker 2: He was like in my corner. He was like, oh yeah, he was. 00:23:03 Speaker 3: He was. He was like, this is offensive. I don't like it, and I'm ripping it off. 00:23:06 Speaker 2: So dog belongs to the Anti Defamation. 00:23:09 Speaker 3: League, he does. He does. 00:23:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, so this friend, I'm so curious. How long have you known the friend? 00:23:18 Speaker 3: Like twelve years? 00:23:19 Speaker 2: This is an interesting way to approach I feel, I guess people as someone who was raised Mormon, I I've and now live I live in LA. People's sensitivity or lack of sensitivity to religion is always an interesting thing to watch it unfold. It's uh so true. But this your friend. I'm just trying to wrap my head around buying one of my Jewish friends a kosher cookbook for any occasion, and what I would think the expected reaction would possibly be. 00:23:52 Speaker 3: One hundred percent? Yeah, even if I did keep Koscher, I don't know that I need that, Like, I don't know. Yeah, I totally agree with you. 00:24:02 Speaker 2: Wow, okay, so and so you've just decided to give me some antisemitic trash. 00:24:09 Speaker 3: Yes that no, former, No, you're see you're not seeing the silver lining. You're you are now the proud owner of like this, this thing that meant so much to my dog, and my dog means so much to me, So that means you mean so much to me. So that means that the gift means so much to you. Do you understand? 00:24:30 Speaker 2: Yes, I absolutely understand you're is your dog with you in New York? 00:24:36 Speaker 3: Yeah? Actually he's sleeping right behind me. Wait, hold on this tilt down and that's Dennis. 00:24:41 Speaker 2: Oh what sort of dog is Dennis? He's he's a labordoodle, always adorable. How old is he? 00:24:47 Speaker 1: Now? 00:24:47 Speaker 3: He's six? Now see that that is also that that toy is six years old. Is vintage, So you guys, it's also vintage. 00:24:55 Speaker 2: Before it came to me, is it sitting in a storage bin? 00:24:58 Speaker 3: It was in a drawer. 00:25:03 Speaker 2: I'm so happy. Well, I want a gift receipt. That's let's just be honest. I'm taking this back. Oh wow, that's that's really wild. Have you received? 00:25:14 Speaker 3: Is this one of the best gifts you've ever got? 00:25:16 Speaker 2: This is an excellent gift. This is let's just be honest. This is number one. This is not this will be going on my mantle or I'll get it framed. It's hard to see. 00:25:26 Speaker 3: You can also dust with it. You could, you could wash a window with it. Honestly, it's so versatile you don't even know. 00:25:34 Speaker 2: I will say, uh, the person who dropped this gift off did say call me after the episode, uh for me to come pick the gift back up, and I don't know if that is information he was given. And I was like, okay, I'm happy to I was like, oh, it must be something. I mean, I'm also happy to return this to you. But maybe there was. 00:25:55 Speaker 3: That is hilarious. 00:25:57 Speaker 2: Do you want it back? I need to know. 00:26:00 Speaker 3: No. I mean, I still think it's an amazing gift, but no, I don't need it back. I don't. I don't. You know what. You can keep it. You can keep it. It's a little fun fact about me. If I give you a gift, it's yours. That's the one unique thing about That's what Yeah, that's what's different about me. 00:26:21 Speaker 2: Now, have you received any more gifts from this friend since the chicken? 00:26:29 Speaker 3: Yeah? But nothing. There was just a streak there of Jewish skewed gifts and also comments. There were some comments I just think she Melanie hits her so funny, that is her name. No, but I I yeah, there were just some comments a long way. But also I just kept being like, well, she's from a small town, like she didn't grow up with many Jewish people, so like, yeah, I did that sort of. I just sort of chalked it up to that. But yeah, I think it was the one two punch of the cookbook and then, as we called it in my house, jew Chicken. I think it was those two things back to back where I was like, what's going on here? 00:27:12 Speaker 2: I didn't realize you're from you were from Texas? What part of Texas are you from? 00:27:16 Speaker 3: I'm from Dallas. 00:27:17 Speaker 2: This feels like a good opportunity for me to talk about something I've been wanting to talk about for a while, which is this my favorite Instagram celebrity. I think she's from Dallas. Her name is her Instagram name is Turtle Creek Lane. You're probably not aware of who this is. 00:27:33 Speaker 3: Well, I know where Turtle Creek is. 00:27:35 Speaker 2: Oh you do? 00:27:36 Speaker 3: Yeah? Wait? 00:27:37 Speaker 2: Can I look her up while I'm on Oh please do? 00:27:39 Speaker 3: Okay? 00:27:40 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, you will. I think you'll immediately know why I'm such a fan of this person. 00:27:45 Speaker 3: Oh my god, Okay, I feel like. 00:27:46 Speaker 2: It's maybe not the right word, but such a Turtle Creek. 00:27:50 Speaker 3: This person, Turtle Creek is like a really beautiful area in Dallas. Hold on, Turtle Creek. What was it? Turtle Creek? 00:27:59 Speaker 2: Lay? 00:27:59 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she comes right up. Oh okay, hey, don't mind if we do Okay, now we're cooking of gas. This is a blast. What is happening. I don't even know how to describe this. 00:28:17 Speaker 2: I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is teeth. There's a there's just a I mean, God, bless this person. I don't know her, and I'm I'm sure she's an absolute ray of sunshine and everyone in the lives of I. 00:28:34 Speaker 3: Mean guaranteed, guarantee she's a ray of sunshine. 00:28:38 Speaker 2: That said, I can't. I've been following her for quite a while now and I have yet to really be able to pinpoint what the situation even is. 00:28:47 Speaker 3: It's I it's frustrating. The instagram is such a visual medium because I really wish that everyone who's listening to this please go to this instagram immediately and you'll understand it is going to be like following along like we were watching a movie on a podcast, that this is the equivalent, Like now is the time where you go to the Instagram. 00:29:07 Speaker 2: I'm going to go. I want to see what her most recent thing is. And for the listener, just a little. Her name is jen A Hutton or Hufton or something. She's a you know, a deeply blonde kind of influencer as she's a mom. 00:29:23 Speaker 3: Teeth is white as snow. 00:29:24 Speaker 2: Teeth is white as snow. I mean the enthusiasm, the it's just like being blasted in the face by sunshine. She's constantly decorating her home. That's kind of her thing. Every holiday that every holiday that she celebrates, her home is kind of turned into a disneyland of objects that she found in the decorating section at Target. And so, you know, for Christmas, the the house looks kind of like mid transformation Beauty in the Beast Castle, if that makes any sense. It's, uh, there's just kind of decaying cupboards, but purposefully decaying. Uh, there's just you know. 00:30:09 Speaker 3: There's like a Peter Rabbit diorama. 00:30:12 Speaker 2: Do you see, yes, of course, And oh. 00:30:14 Speaker 3: Okay, so it's like an Easter room. 00:30:17 Speaker 2: Right, and it's not just you have to be you have to know with Jen it becomes an Easter house. It's uh, the porch becomes Easter. Every element becomes part of the holiday. She had like a forest for Christmas, then she turned off our Christmas trees into Valentine's trees. 00:30:35 Speaker 3: It's oh, I see that, yes, she yes, I see the Valentine's tree. Where it's those candies with writing on them, and she has like giant versions of that, so they're like huge candy with words ornaments, right. 00:30:48 Speaker 2: And more recently, I believe yesterday her house flooded, so that was good. You know, you're getting caught. A friend of mine, when I first discovered gen I sent her to him and he did make a good point, he said, I mean, he was very much on the same page, budd. He said, if I were in her presence, I would Jamie's showing me a picture of her right now, and it's just incredible. I don't even I can't. I there's just it's a difficult thing to describe. You have to go to her Instagram and you know, let's all be nice to her. I'm sure she's a nice person. But yeah, my friend made the point of like, I think if I met her, I would be I would be one over immediately. I think she's the sort of person with dis enthusiasm that's infectious. She's also like got hundreds of millions of dollars. I've you know, I've done a light research. Her husband's extremely wealthy. 00:31:37 Speaker 3: Well what's the what's the money? 00:31:39 Speaker 2: I feel like is like in some sort of financial stocks or something. 00:31:47 Speaker 3: Uh. 00:31:47 Speaker 2: And then she's obviously making a fortune off of advertising a billion things on her on her Instagram and then. 00:31:54 Speaker 3: She she's like six hundred thousand follow us. 00:31:56 Speaker 2: Right, She's extremely popular. And it's just it's something that I am still months after following her, struggling to wrap my head around. I mean, maybe someday I'll fully understand. I think she's a positive person and. 00:32:16 Speaker 3: Well, no, what did you read her bio? Okay, okay, okay, the most positive place on that on Instagram. 00:32:28 Speaker 2: But I think she you know, she must turn it to eleven. But I think she's probably a decent person. There's no there's no saying. It's just you have to look at it. Her Instagram stories. Every morning she does a thing where she says, good morning, let's say something more thankful for, and then she says something she's thankful for. It's just a rollercoaster going at a thousand miles an hour every day with Jen. And I'm so glad to finally have an opportunity to bring it up on the podcast. 00:33:00 Speaker 3: Oh. I mean, you know, as you're just saying that, I was thinking, Okay, what if what if this happens? What if she watches the wedding coach becomes a fan. I go home to Dallas to see my parents, and I schedule like a meetup with her at her house and then I send you. Then we then we take a video together and we send it to you from inside that gorgeous foyer. 00:33:25 Speaker 2: Can we please get Jamie inside the Turtle Creek Lane? Manor that's all I want. 00:33:31 Speaker 3: It will be a goal for twenty twenty one and maybe twenty twenty two, depending on how long it takes for me to fulfill it, but it is. It's on the vision board. I'm not gonna lie. 00:33:40 Speaker 2: Growing up in Dallas, did you see this sort of personality? I feel like this is a very like a deeply Texas thing, right, like this giant personality, and like there's the money to support it? Is that? Yes? 00:33:52 Speaker 3: And the blonde the blonde at all? I yes? When I went to college, I went to Universe, I went to college, coreat Guys, I went to college. But when I went to the University of Texas, I am a brunette woman, and I felt so much pressure to dye my hair blonde because there were just so many like gorgeous blonde tan women at my school that I felt like I just looked crazy in comparison. So, yeah, looking at this woman, what's her name, jen? 00:34:26 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:34:26 Speaker 3: Jen? 00:34:27 Speaker 2: I can't remember how to pronounce her last. 00:34:28 Speaker 3: But looking at yeah, looking at like just yeah, everything about her is very Dallas, Texas. It's very Texas, and yeah, it's fascinating. 00:34:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been an interesting watch, especially during the pandemic, when you know it hasn't been the easiest times for a lot of people, and then to watch this person like she's like thriving, right, I just spent fifty thousand dollars on Valentine's decorations or whatever. It's a little like maybe she also. 00:34:52 Speaker 3: Her whole thing is decorating her home, and if you're at home a lot during the quarantine, it's like kind of the best for her. It's just like more time for more time for projects. I don't want to I don't want to assume. I don't want to assume, but just going off of the Instagram, yeah. 00:35:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, we we hope that old Jen is actually I don't what am I saying? That she seems like a bit of a maniac, and maybe that maybe she embraces the mania, the absolute wildness of it all. But I'm so happy to finally get that out and just talk about it because I adore her and hope that she continues to produce content for ages to come. Uh. But you know, I'll tell you something you're not going to get from Jen is chewed up dog toy. 00:35:37 Speaker 1: No. 00:35:38 Speaker 3: I feel like she allows dogs in her house. 00:35:41 Speaker 2: She's going to take it too much. She does. 00:35:43 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that's. 00:35:44 Speaker 2: The one thing about this person where I'm like, you would have, you know, when her house is flooding, she's thrilled. When she's laughing and smiling. There are a lot of the I've seen a few times with Turtle Creek Lane where she's had like life crises where I'm like I would have at an absolute meltdown and she's instagram story ing it. She's out there like she's probably ankle deep in sewage and she's smiling and laughing and like, you guys, look at this. So it's very It's just a whole other world for me. 00:36:14 Speaker 3: It's inspiring, is what you're saying, Absolutely speak deeply inspiring. 00:36:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jamie, I feel like we should play a game. Do you want to play a game? Do you want to play a game called Gift Master, or a game called Gift. 00:36:28 Speaker 3: Or a curse, Gift or a curse. 00:36:31 Speaker 2: Okay, I need a number between one and ten from you. 00:36:34 Speaker 3: Six. 00:36:35 Speaker 2: Okay. I have to do some light calculating while I do the calculating. You promote something, you recommend something, you sing a song, do whatever you want. I'll be right back. 00:36:45 Speaker 3: Okay, sounds great. Okay, promote something. Okay. I have a shown Netflix. It's called The Wedding Coach. You should check it out. I have a different comedian with me every episode, and we have a lot of really funny people on it, Matteo Lane, Fortune Fimester, Punky Johnson. It's a really good group. You can follow me on my Instagram. It's not as good as Turtle Lane. I don't curate it as hard as Jen does, but that's at really Jamie Lee and I would say follow me on Twitter, but I haven't tweeted in a long time, so I feel like I'll probably just disappoint you if you go. 00:37:23 Speaker 2: There, Jamie perfect, Yeah, okay, great, I mean no, let's all just get off of Twitter. It's just I'm so tired of this. 00:37:33 Speaker 3: I know, I miss I used to love it. I mean, I really loved those days of like coming up with jokes and you were so you were so great on Twitter. You were like a highlight of Twitter. Oh my god, Yeah, you killed me on there. 00:37:47 Speaker 2: It's I think it's time to just shut it down. It's uh, every time I get on and I feel like ash is raining from the sky. It's just such a negative thing for. 00:38:00 Speaker 3: It is it is. Yeah, there's not that Instagram is you know, good for our brain. But there is something that feels lighter about it. 00:38:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't feel like a just an immediate burden exactly. All that said, let's play gift or a curse. This is what happens. I'm going to name three things. You're gonna tell me if there are a gift or a curse? And why I know the thing is is there are correct answers. So you can fail, okay, and you know the listener will lose respect for you, you'll have a harder time, et cetera, et cetera, So just share share Okay. First up, this is a listener suggestion, gift or a curse? Family heirlooms. 00:38:44 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say curse. 00:38:46 Speaker 2: Okay, why I think it's. 00:38:48 Speaker 3: A curse because if something were to happen to them, there would be a lot of guilt because it could be something that's not even like that like on paper, worth a ton of money or something, but because of the attachment to family, like it feels like a big responsibility to have it. Also, if it's the other way where it is really expensive, you feel kind of fucked up about like wanting to sell it. 00:39:17 Speaker 2: Right right, Okay, Well, I mean, what can I say. You're off to a very good start. I think they're absolutely a curse, and I'll tell you. I mean, maybe my logic's a little different. I just think a family heirloom is literally cursed. I feel like if you've got an heirloom, there's some sort of sorcerer or something has place to curse on the object. It's going to bring you bad luck. You're also just kind of burdened with maybe something you don't really care about unless you're going on Antique's road show. What are we doing with it? 00:39:49 Speaker 3: What are we doing? 00:39:49 Speaker 2: What is an What is a family heirloom in the first place? I can't even all I picture is a cursed mirror or you know, like an emblem or something that's been passed down and is kind of haunting you. 00:40:03 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, my mind went to like a giant ship in a bottle. 00:40:07 Speaker 2: Right, cursed. There's an absolutely that has some sort of evil spirit in it, right, just like literally a cursed object. Okay, good job number two. This is also a listener. Oh actually, now let's just say all of these are listeners suggestions today. Second up, gif you a curse working for a family member, and that's from our listener named oh Olivia, and I should give credit to family heirlooms to someone named Rebecca. Congratulations. Okay, Olivia wants working for a family member though. 00:40:41 Speaker 3: Such a curse, such a curse, I mean, oh god, yeah, I mean my parents work together, and I was always like, oh God, like you guys need your really me to have like your separate things. But yeah, no, I just think the power dynamics could get really weird. And then there's like money, and I don't Yeah, there's money. That makes sense, Jane, there's money. There's money, but yeah, just absolutely, I just think it's Yeah, I shiver, I shiver at the thought of working with a family member. What do you think, I. 00:41:14 Speaker 2: Don't think, I know, I mean, what do you know what do you YEA Working for a family member, of course, is a curse. Working for anyone is a curse. Working is a curse. But working as a curse we bring in the familial we bring in. I feel like you are just absolutely asking for it. You do not want money between you and a family member. Also, you don't want to spend that much time with a family member. You want somebody that you can have an ice clean cut with if things go south. Working for a family member. You know, I worked at a I mean, this is the closest I've come was. I worked at a bakery cafe right out of high school. My younger sister was an employee. I was the manager. Even that the pressure was too much. We're getting in fights. She's not my opping the floor enough, and I'm irresponsible. It's too complicated. You don't want to work for a family member. I mean, look at the property brothers. We know there's a lot of tension there. 00:42:09 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're hanging on by a threat when the cameras aren't rolling. 00:42:14 Speaker 2: I mean, they are at each other's throats and we all know it. I guess technically, do they work for each other? It's hard to say to the property or do they work together. I don't know. Property brothers don't reach out to me. I don't want to hear from you, but I do. I will say, curse, you've got two out of two. I love it. Final one gift or a curse ceramic painting stores and I'm not giving credit very well today. This is from someone named Angus, and Angus, I apologize. There's your credit, Sam. I know it's a nice solid name, right, Yeah, I. 00:42:51 Speaker 3: Want to hear that anymore underused seramic? Oh like those like color me mind mo. 00:42:57 Speaker 2: Place right, that's my assumption here. 00:43:00 Speaker 3: I'm going to say capital Wait what is it? 00:43:04 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:43:05 Speaker 3: Capital g GIF and what? Because I when I was getting married to bring it back. When I was getting married, I was just absolutely so stressed about so many details and whatnot. And I went to one of those places and painted a bowl and it was so relaxing. I did not think about the wedding. It was very meditative. I just like zoned out and just like was in the moment. So yeah, I love those places. It's so fun. I love Yeah, I love it, Jamie. 00:43:39 Speaker 2: I hate to say it. I hate to say it. I'm just thinking, Oh, Jamie's gonna get three out of three. I mean, the hall of fame is very small for this game. I don't even know if anyone's ever won it completely. But the ceramic painting stores are a curse, an absolute curse. My one experience was I think it may have been what brought on the pandemic. It was February twenty twenty. I went with my dear friend Sarah. We sat there and painted. I ended up paying like forty dollars for this mug. And this mug look, it has my favorite word on it, which is thailand All. I think the word tiland all is so soothing to say. 00:44:23 Speaker 3: Oh, you're right, Wow, I never thought of it. 00:44:24 Speaker 2: It's got the nice tea. There's nothing hard, you know. I think it's an excellent word, thiland. I thought, wow, thailand All on a mug. But it was for me so stressful. And this, this mug is maybe the most hideous object in my house. I thought I would do kind of a nice woodsy vibe. I thought it would make it look like a little trunk or a little tree trunk, and it ended up looking like like a ninja turtles rejected prop or something. It's a yellow. The inside it's green, it's brown. This thing is so hideous. I truly paid I think forty dollars for this mug and I don't want to drink out of it. What do I do with this thing at this point? It's hideous, this company. I just feel like I've been totally ripped off, absolutely a curse. 00:45:19 Speaker 3: Okay, well, I mean I did have I had something to say in response to that. 00:45:24 Speaker 2: I want to hear because I feel like you're. 00:45:25 Speaker 3: Putting a lot, You're putting a lot of blame on the process. Okay, well, let's just making your mug. 00:45:32 Speaker 5: But really, I feel like, you know, they usually have tools for writing, so it's very clean, and I feel like it's. 00:45:42 Speaker 3: On you that you did it. I don't know that you did. I don't think you had the right one, because I feel like Thailand all would look so crisp and clean if you had used that little like teeny felt tip thing. 00:45:53 Speaker 2: This is well, it's kind of a stencil, which was incredible. 00:45:58 Speaker 3: You can't see. That's that worry. That's that's the flaw. You can't go stensily. You have to use this like specific writing tool. It's like a detailing tool and you can, Yeah, you can write seamlessly with it. It's like a pen. It's like a pen with glaze. 00:46:11 Speaker 2: And really, I don't know that I was even presented with this option, which maybe it was just a failing of the store I went to. 00:46:17 Speaker 3: That is possible. Yeah, I don't. I don't think that. Yeah, I think that. I just wish I wish it wasn't a curse because I feel like if you were to try again, you might it might be a gift. 00:46:27 Speaker 2: I just got burned so bad. I mean, not only did I get this horrible mug. We just went. I think it was the last activity I did before the pandemic. So you know, it's a lot of yeah, trauma there, right, right, So I just have to say curse and well, you know, I'll post some pictures of this tile in all mug to Instagram. I want to people can be the judge of the judge of whatever. I don't know what you're judging, but everyone look forward to that horrible image. Jamie. Okay, let's move on. This has been painful for both of us and we've got to clear the air. Let's answer some questions. This is called I said no questions. People are writing into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. They have so many questions about gifts and how to give gifts and what gifts they're getting. I've gone through, you know, rarely do I go through these before the podcast. But I thought Jamie knows everything about weddings. Let's answer for some of these desperate wedding people. Here's the first one. It says Bridger, and this person doesn't address the guest, which I just think is so rude. But what are you gonna do? It says I'm writing for advice on what to get my fiance as a gift on our wedding day. My fiance, Chris will be thirty when we get married. He's an avid golfer. Our shared interests, because golf is not one, include traveling, going out to eat, relaxing at the beach or pool, exercising, reading, and spending time with our families. So basically, if a lady who lunches would enjoy some thing, there's a good chance we probably would too. Now Here we go, I'd like to spend somewhere somewhere between one and three thousand dollars on his wedding present. I was originally planning to do a boudoir photo shoot. But those costs between eight and ten thousand dollars. This is news to me. That's a lot of money for some photos. 00:48:18 Speaker 3: Okay, I feel like you could find you could find someone who would take those for cheaper exactly. 00:48:23 Speaker 2: But all my best Jenna, Long Island, New York, I mean eight to ten thousand dollars. I don't know who she's talking to for these photos, but that seems well. 00:48:33 Speaker 3: The Long Island, the Long Island wedding culture is it is a racket that I do believe. Yeah, this is a really specific culture. It's very opulent. The weddings have huge buffets with like every kind of food from around the world. It's just like they always have a ban. The band calls like twenty thousand dollars. Yeah yeah, yeah, I. 00:48:57 Speaker 2: Mean I want to have a child and needs education. 00:49:00 Speaker 3: I know, I know. Well, yeah, this is my whole thing. Weddings are like beautiful but also disgusting. 00:49:05 Speaker 2: That is so much money. Yeah, okay, but that. 00:49:08 Speaker 3: Is not Actually that was a bit that was a very important detail for me to hear. 00:49:11 Speaker 2: Anyways, what should she get this fiance? But that's between a thousand and three thousand dollars. Their interests, I'm going to say, are kind of generic. These are just things. 00:49:23 Speaker 3: It's just going to say generic. Yep. 00:49:25 Speaker 2: Literally every person enjoys. Not a single thing here is a specific outside of maybe reading, but even that seems a little most people read. Yes, yeah, we've got a what can these people? What can she get? That's what's an object Between what's an experience? I feel like maybe like a nice specific experience that they can do that maybe they'll find something that's more enjoyable that they both enjoyed. That's not one of these things that are just literally a pamphlet for a vacation. 00:49:59 Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was thinking. I was having a really hard time coming up with like a tangible object type gift. So I was thinking, like, I don't know, maybe like if there's like a day pass for some like swanky hotel or something, they could like hang by the pool and then like go get massages or something, right, I don't yeah, but that's also something that you would do in your honeymoon maybe. 00:50:24 Speaker 2: So maybe let's see. 00:50:27 Speaker 3: I mean, I think she should revisit the boudoir. 00:50:30 Speaker 2: Right, I feel like for two to three grand, you could get that you're gonna have. 00:50:34 Speaker 3: To leave Long Island, but you can absolutely get that, right. I mean, I don't know these photographers who are trying to stiff you at eight grand. 00:50:44 Speaker 2: But I say, you know, spend five hundred dollars on a ticket to Phoenix, find a photo photographer there and you've got the You've got the three thousands, even if you. 00:50:53 Speaker 3: Flew them out, even if you flew them to you in coach. The tickets are very cheap right now. You could get them there for probably three hundred dollars and then the photo shoots probably would have paid them the three grand. Right. You don't want to stiff the photographers. You know, they're freelance, they're working hard. But yeah, I think that or if you're comfortable, depending on how comfortable you are getting naked or mostly naked. I mean, you know, get an n YU student to come out a ID I guess art yeah, or SVA yeah, School of Visual Arts. I mean, Pratt is also in the city. We've got some good photographers who would be really happy for the work. 00:51:30 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, you got you do have to be careful when you're screening a photographer for this sort of photo shoot. Especially cut rate. But uh, yeah, you know, I'm sure there are plenty of photographers who would do this for free, but you want to avoid those people. 00:51:44 Speaker 3: But like a progressive, cool female photographer there, you absolutely make. 00:51:48 Speaker 2: Sure this person is a yeah, but I think that's not a bad idea. And uh as far as other things, it's just hard to say. I uh, I feel like maybe I'm not even gonna go for it. I think we've solved this problem. Let's move on to the next one. This person also doesn't address you, which I'm just I don't know what's happening with these wedding people. They're not thinking about the guests, this says deer Bridger. And I'm going to say, and Jamie. My twelfth wedding anniversary is coming up in June. The traditional gift is silk or linen, which I refuse to buy. My husband is the type of guy who researches items intensely and then just buys them himself, saying, oh look what I got myself. He likes books, records, and during isolation has gotten very interested in backyard and maintenance. Also, he loves gadgets. Please help I beg you. That's let's say, sincerely, Molly in Buffalo. So this whole like buying different Where did this thing where you buy a different thing for each wedding anniversary come from? Whose idea was this? 00:52:53 Speaker 3: I actually didn't know about that, And I definitely didn't know about the silk and linen for your big one too. Yeah, it wasn't aware. But you know, I think the gift part of it, maybe it's worth asking a friend of his, if he has like a best friend or something who's like plugged into what he would want more. I don't know, because I feel like that's a again, it's sort of a we're dealing with a kind of a broad range of interests, like Gadget's also kind of I don't know. 00:53:25 Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I feel like, let's the backyard maintenance? What does that actually involve? And we don't Actually we don't have a budget here either, Molly, which would have been helpful, I mean, because for all we know, you're playing with fifty million dollars and then I say, you know, get an Infinity pool. But let's see, can you buy a lawn air raider? Yeah? That feels like a fun surprise. Suddenly he can do his own He can airrate the lawn himself. You don't have to hire a company one of the machines that kind of digs through the grass. A new hose, a quality hose. My hose is horrible, and I would love for somebody to spoil me with a you know, a little bit more of a luxury hose that feels like backyard maintenance. We don't know what's happening in the backyard. 00:54:12 Speaker 3: Well, maybe he's into gardening too. Maybe get him some seeds to plant. 00:54:16 Speaker 2: Seeds. 00:54:17 Speaker 3: Seeds, seeds are fun. 00:54:20 Speaker 2: I feel like there's probably some sort of Seed of the Month or seed subscription club or yeah, buy him a nice tree. I feel like you go find a really beautiful tree and that might be a fun surprise for all whoever his name is. And that feels like a thoughtful thing that you two can watch grow. You know, I don't know. 00:54:41 Speaker 3: I feel like it's symbolic of something. 00:54:43 Speaker 2: Something or other. Right, Okay, Molly, your answer your question has been answered. Jamie, we help me just answer one more. I'm trying. I have far too many questions and I've tried. I'm trying to improve as a person and as a host, and I you know, people are writing in desperately. This is high there. My first wedding anniversary is coming up and we're quarantined. We had originally planned to take a trip, but now we can't any ideas of this person gave no information any ideas for gifts for my husband. Thank you, And that's just from m And now, if it weren't the first wedding anniversary, I would have thought that Molly had written in twice. But it seems like this m is quarantined first anniversary. That feels like high pressure and low pressure for a gift. What do you mean? 00:55:30 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:55:30 Speaker 3: I also think you know, I'm not telling people to get on planes. I don't want anyone to step out of their comfort zone or get sick. But I do think, you know, let's not underestimate the power of maybe like some kind of road trip airbnb, oh situation where you could still do a getaway but make it COVID friendly. Yeah, so, just you know, just throwing that out there. If you initially wanted to take a vacation, I think you can modify what your definition of a vacation is and still like have the fun of that without feeling like you're risking your life right. 00:56:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also, I mean we are like headed out of this thing. There's a chance these people are vaccinated. There's like or you you know when you're gonna get vaccinated. You could buy some plane tickets in like for June or July. Say look, we're going to actually go on and we're going to burst out of this nightmare on our vacation to Argentina. Happy anniversary. 00:56:26 Speaker 3: I think that's right. 00:56:27 Speaker 2: I'd love to go to Argentina. 00:56:29 Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I was just in Belize. I went on a plane. Yeah, the numbers are really low there, and yeah, it was just like a blast. I mean I definitely was. You know, the pandemic exists there, you feel it, but it was really fun. And the whole thing was outside, like everything was outdoors, like all the activities obviously, ut like yeah, so it was it was really fun. 00:56:51 Speaker 2: What do you eat in Blize? What's the food scene there? I can't picture it. 00:56:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's actually it's it's varied, but I think the typical, a typical Belizian dish would be like plantains, rice beans and some kind of meat. 00:57:06 Speaker 2: Oh delicious, this is right up my alley. 00:57:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was food is awesome and then like a lot of fresh seafood. 00:57:12 Speaker 2: Oh so good. Well, go to Belize for your first anniversary. M I that seems like an excellent option unless you live in Belieze. You didn't give that information either, So I mean, when you don't give enough information, we may just be telling you to stay home. You've got to You've got to open it up and give a few key details. I think that's what we're really learning here, is that you've got to get into the specifics if you want specifics. 00:57:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, you get back what you put in. 00:57:37 Speaker 2: Right, right. And I'm putting in so much that I expect the same of a listener, Jamie. We've done such an a plus job answering these questions that hopefully these hopefully these people will send a thank you note at very least to thank you basket. And I don't know. This is kind of the end of the podcast. And now I've got this new gift which I've got to get framed or bronzed or both. 00:58:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, and or restuffed. 00:58:05 Speaker 2: Restuffed my dog could use it, give her sloppy seconds, you know, right, No matter what, I have this kind of piece of Nazi memorabilia, and I'm so thrilled to have it. 00:58:22 Speaker 3: Well, I'm thrilled to be the person who gave it to you. 00:58:28 Speaker 1: Tried, so. 00:58:31 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here. I've just had a fantastic time and it's so nice seeing you. 00:58:35 Speaker 3: Oh, I had the best time. It was so nice seeing you. This was so fun and yeah, thanks for having me. 00:58:40 Speaker 2: Of course. And now, listener, this is your cue to do whatever you want with yourself, as long as it's appropriate. And I don't know what else to tell you. I'm I'm in a mood and I just want to send you off without being in a mood. So get off. The podcast is as soon as you possibly can. Goodbye. I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's engineered by our dear friend Annalise Nelson and the theme song is by miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow the show on Instagram at I said No Gifts. That's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you found me, and why not leave a review while you're there. It's really the least you could do. And if you're interested in advertising, on the show. Go to midroll dot com slash ads. 00:59:38 Speaker 1: Well, I invit, did you hear Thunn? A man myself perfectly clear, But you're a guess to me. You gotta come to me empty, and I said, no guests, your presences, presents in I already had too much stuff. So how do you dare to surby me?