Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up n
Speaker 4: SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: My name is Kara and I.
Speaker 2: Am Liza Traeger. We talk SVU, true crimes, celeb guests.
Speaker 2: This podcast really does have everything. And to add on
Speaker 2: to it, I now have fake nails, and boy does
Speaker 2: it change you.
Speaker 1: She has entered another world. Yeah, it's like a different life.
Speaker 2: I mean you notice I talk more with my hands, right,
Speaker 2: Like I constantly want people to see the nails.
Speaker 1: Now they're like a yeah, and now they're like a centerpiece.
Speaker 1: You're like a gesticulating queen.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Rosie about it because she saw
Speaker 1: Lisa's nails and she, for some reason is such a
Speaker 1: little like tomboy about like love's long nails and was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Lisa's nails. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, Rosie, I can never get those, just
Speaker 1: so you know, like don't get like I not maybe
Speaker 1: when they're fifteen, but I mean not now.
Speaker 2: But you can get a little glitter dip. You know,
Speaker 2: they don't have to be young. You can get yellers.
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get something fun. I'm got to
Speaker 1: get got to get my nails done soon because she
Speaker 1: gotten her nails done or no, no, but I've done
Speaker 1: them for her. But like she wants to come with
Speaker 1: me to the salon. She's into that. That's really cool.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna go. We're gonna go maybe this summer.
Speaker 3: She's a pampered queen.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so really quickly, I'm gonna want to get
Speaker 1: We're getting our nails done. We're getting all this stuff
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Speaker 3: I have some things for the introduction.
Speaker 2: So yesterday while I was doing some work, I had
Speaker 2: you know, TV on in the background. That's kind of
Speaker 2: my huge And Hulu has some perfect movies on their
Speaker 2: roster right now, like everything that I grew up on.
Speaker 2: So I watched Center Stage and mister Deed's and Browse
Speaker 2: Dods Dodds in both of them. Oh wow, he's like
Speaker 2: a prolific actor. I mean to do double movies and
Speaker 2: he's in both. I was like, what the fuck? Like,
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: I know, he was always like a guy. I kind
Speaker 1: of knew who he was. And then wait, is he
Speaker 1: in while you were sleeping? Or am I crazy?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: That's a different person. Was he My mom loves that movie?
Speaker 3: Wait? Am I like crazy?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: I think, why is this a twenty seventeen romance from Korea?
Speaker 1: This wild He's in movie? He's in while you were sleeping.
Speaker 1: I think he's the one that is sleeping, Like right,
Speaker 1: he's the sleeping guys.
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 1: And then Bill Pullman's the one she kind of falls
Speaker 1: in love with, like while the other guy is sleeping.
Speaker 3: Is that. I don't remember this movie very well. I
Speaker 3: watched it when I was a lot younger.
Speaker 2: So she, uh, it's hysterical. So she Sandra Bullock. She
Speaker 2: Sandra Bullock plays a token taker at the train station
Speaker 2: and it's a Chicago set movie. Yeah, And so then
Speaker 2: she just has a crush on this one guy that's
Speaker 2: truly like a fantasy. She doesn't know him, he just
Speaker 2: gives her tokens every day. He falls in the train
Speaker 2: tracks or has a heart something happens. She saves his
Speaker 2: life and then goes to the hospital, but she wants
Speaker 2: to see him and when the so she goes, I'm
Speaker 2: his fiance. So then when all his family comes, they're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're the fiance, and so they want
Speaker 2: to hang out with her all the time, and then she,
Speaker 2: you know, ends up falling in love with his brother.
Speaker 1: They just don't make movies like this anymore, with like
Speaker 1: mistaken identity and like funny little high jinks.
Speaker 3: Like this, They don't make them.
Speaker 1: This is yeah ninety five, this is a so yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's the sleeping guy. He's the guy in the coma.
Speaker 1: And that's how I sort of always knew him. I
Speaker 1: think that was his first Daddy Dodds, that's his first
Speaker 1: for into my life. But then the data on the
Speaker 1: oc A show I didn't even watch. I just feel
Speaker 1: like that's kind of what got him into everybody's consciousness.
Speaker 1: That might have been like his big break, like one
Speaker 1: of his big break moments.
Speaker 3: But maybe I'm wrong. Everyone's gonna write me.
Speaker 1: We get all these comments like how are you not
Speaker 1: talking about how this person was in the nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: six revival of this movie, I'm like, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: everything out there.
Speaker 2: Well, so, but Zoe's Sildana, isn't it in Center Stage?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm like, who would a fucking guessed that this Crossroads
Speaker 2: SVU center Stage girl was gonna be the highest grossing
Speaker 2: actress of all time. She is her movies. She's in
Speaker 2: Avatar and Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, two movies I've never seen, but yeah,
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Correct, we've not seen them. Two movies that have made
Speaker 2: over a billion dollars.
Speaker 3: Sure, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's in blue and green, and like, I
Speaker 2: just it's impressive. It's you know, and in center stage,
Speaker 2: it's like, does the one black girl have to be
Speaker 2: the one with the attitude? And it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: she just comes and being me. But also there's this
Speaker 2: other girl in that movie. She was also in Ten
Speaker 2: Things I Hate About You, And I bet she thought
Speaker 2: she was gonna be like a famous, famous girl and
Speaker 2: then she wasn't. Yeah, do you know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Her name is Susan May Pratt. Not a name that
Speaker 2: jumps out at you. She's also and drives me crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, oh yes, I recognize this girl.
Speaker 1: I recognize this girl big time from movies when we
Speaker 1: were younger for Friday.
Speaker 3: So she's just like a young actress.
Speaker 2: And in a row nineteen ninety nine and two thousand,
Speaker 2: she's Ten Things I Hate About You, Drive Me Crazy,
Speaker 2: center stage huge, huge, And then since I mean, she's
Speaker 2: been working, but it's mostly like you know, character actor,
Speaker 2: like a guest stars. She's just like one episode of
Speaker 2: shows and so she's working incredible, she's doing this for
Speaker 2: a living. But I just I wonder what she was
Speaker 2: thinking at the time, Like if I was that young
Speaker 2: and in the biggest teen movies of all time playing
Speaker 2: like the bitch, I just, you know, I just.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because like one of the first things
Speaker 1: that comes up is like, what happened to Susan May Pratt?
Speaker 1: And then it's like and then it's like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: still acting, but she's also a mom and a wife
Speaker 1: and she married another actor and blah blah blah. She's
Speaker 1: married to some guy who's in like Jericho and like
Speaker 1: Star Trek, Discovery and stuff.
Speaker 3: So I bet my husband knows who he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great life, No, Shade, I would love
Speaker 2: to have the amount of credits she has. I just
Speaker 2: she was kind of like bitchy girl, right, she was
Speaker 2: the bitchy girl, but not but not in Ten Things
Speaker 2: I Had About You, she was like kind of dorky
Speaker 2: and loved Shakespeare. She went on a date with Dave Crumbholts. Okay,
Speaker 2: that was her prom date. Dave Crumbholdts, the mushroom Man.
Speaker 1: Okay, from what everything size Back says everything ties back
Speaker 1: to stew Let's be honest, what else is going on? Well,
Speaker 1: I took Oscar for a little procedure in the hospital yesterday.
Speaker 1: Little guy who was getting he got little tubes in,
Speaker 1: but they asked me to get there at five forty five.
Speaker 1: His procedures not till nine thirty. He can't eat anything
Speaker 1: since the night before, so it's like he's going, can
Speaker 1: I have a snack? And I'm like, no, like, sorry,
Speaker 1: two year old, I can't feed you. It was terrible,
Speaker 1: but I met some very funny children in the waiting
Speaker 1: room and we had a we had a little blast
Speaker 1: and then oh my god, him coming out of the anesthesia.
Speaker 1: Everything was fine, Like the procedure was fine. Him going
Speaker 1: like everything was fine. The doctor like told me afterwards.
Speaker 1: He goes, by the way, the anesthesia, the I'm coming
Speaker 1: out of the anesthesia is the worst part. And I go, okay.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's just it's it's tough, and I go,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: I go in there.
Speaker 1: He's like limp and being fed apple juice out of
Speaker 1: a baby bottle. He does not drink out of bottles anymore.
Speaker 1: He is pissed as hell. He's so when he sees me,
Speaker 1: he's like screaming.
Speaker 3: He's so mad.
Speaker 1: He does not stopped for like two hours. But he's
Speaker 1: like he's like a drunk sorority girl. Like he'll focus
Speaker 1: on the TV for a minute and then he'll be like, ah,
Speaker 1: like just crime, but it's not pain.
Speaker 3: It's just like annoyance. He's just like an annoyed about everything.
Speaker 3: And it was wild.
Speaker 1: I had a wild day with him yesterday and then
Speaker 1: I had to put him to bed and get right
Speaker 1: into SVU work.
Speaker 3: So it was a fun day.
Speaker 2: I just think it's so funny that he can ask
Speaker 2: for the snack and then you're just like, no, I.
Speaker 3: Go, Mommy doesn't have any snacks right now.
Speaker 1: Like I just tried to distract him with like TV,
Speaker 1: like he was watching a lot of Like they gave
Speaker 1: us an iPad at the place because I had brought
Speaker 1: my laptop, but they gave us an iPad.
Speaker 3: They were lady, there's better technology for on the go.
Speaker 5: FE know.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is is Jared has an old ass iPad.
Speaker 1: I need to get a newer one. He has like
Speaker 1: an old one that's like you can't load shit on it.
Speaker 1: I just wanted Mowana, so I just brought my laptop
Speaker 1: because then I could stream it better. And then Oscar
Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck about Moana for once in his
Speaker 1: life and was just wanting to go around all the
Speaker 1: rooms of the hospital.
Speaker 3: But you know, oh my god, it was wild.
Speaker 2: So yesterday me and a friend, I wanted a McDonald's
Speaker 2: die of coke, as you do, and so we get
Speaker 2: into the drive through and I didn't realize, like, Grimace
Speaker 2: is in right now. You know, it's his anniversary, it's
Speaker 2: his birth that like everyone's into Grimace. There's like a
Speaker 2: fun tweet that's like I went and asked for Grimace shit,
Speaker 2: and someone's like, who's Grimace And the woman's like, he
Speaker 2: works here, But but they have they have a new shake.
Speaker 2: They have a Grimace shake. I didn't get it, but
Speaker 2: I've inquired. It's blueberry flavored, so I love blueberry, so
Speaker 2: I definitely want to try a Grimas shake. I was
Speaker 2: just in a soda mood. But then I see they
Speaker 2: have little Mermaid toys. So I go, I'll take the
Speaker 2: Happy Meal toys and they go, well, which one? I go,
Speaker 2: any different ones you have, I'll take one of each,
Speaker 2: Like whatever you have, I'll take the little Mermaid toys.
Speaker 3: He goes, we have the bird and the dog. Fuck
Speaker 3: is that mean? Wow? That sucks one of the.
Speaker 2: I got the Bird and the Dog, but like not
Speaker 2: even Scott's actually hot.
Speaker 1: Scuttle has a really fun song in the New app
Speaker 1: and The New Mermaid.
Speaker 3: So my actually really into scuttle right now.
Speaker 1: But like she always wants me to play the scuttle
Speaker 1: Butt song that that she that Aquafina sings in the movie,
Speaker 1: which is like a rap. More but that's so funny
Speaker 1: because moms in my mom group are like, does anybody
Speaker 1: have the Ariel Mermaid toy from Happy Meals? Like they're
Speaker 1: like looking for them, so like they're on the They're.
Speaker 3: I don't know who has them.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like a trick, but like
Speaker 2: why not just make airas like why not make a
Speaker 2: ton of the No one wants the dog?
Speaker 3: The dog? Who wants the dog? He's in the movie
Speaker 3: for three seconds.
Speaker 2: And just the way he said it, I was just like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll take the burden the dog.
Speaker 3: So I have wait, so you just pay for the
Speaker 3: toy separate, you can do that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One time a McDonald's tried to deny me and said
Speaker 2: you had to buy the Happy Meal. But it must
Speaker 2: it must have been a new employee you're allowed to
Speaker 2: buy him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I saw Grimace is really like having a
Speaker 1: you know, glass is a Grimace is a legend an
Speaker 1: icon the moment right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the staff had like cool purple Grimace shirts too,
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to be like.
Speaker 1: You're so lucky you got those shirts. But they are
Speaker 1: they are purple. They are repping Grimace on SBU every day.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm trying to think if people have just
Speaker 2: listened to the like this is the first episode of
Speaker 2: the podcast they've ever listened to.
Speaker 1: That would be so funny if you tuned into a
Speaker 1: podcast and you just popped on episode like one and
Speaker 1: thirty four.
Speaker 3: But that's what I do.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm trying a new one, I usually
Speaker 2: start with the most recent or like a guest I
Speaker 2: like or yah, you know, like I don't always go
Speaker 2: to the top.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I'll listen to like the last couple and
Speaker 1: then if I like, I'll start from the beginning because
Speaker 1: I'm like a like a complete list.
Speaker 2: Oh see, I bounced around because it's so guest specific
Speaker 2: for me. For most podcasts, Yeah, I want a good
Speaker 2: gut like I you know, I mean, I'll like for
Speaker 2: some well, I think.
Speaker 1: The only podcast I really did that with was Bitch Sash.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to Like they had only been on
Speaker 1: for a year, so I was like, it won't take
Speaker 1: me that long to get through their back catalog and so,
Speaker 1: and I was driving a lot at the time, like
Speaker 1: to jobs and so, like I pumped through that whole thing.
Speaker 1: But like who Weekly is a podcast I listened to
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm sure I think other people that
Speaker 1: listen to us listen to them. They just said on
Speaker 1: their list episode they've made a thousand episodes because they're
Speaker 1: on twice a week, and they included all their Patreon stuff.
Speaker 3: I was like, a thousand fucking episodes. Jesus.
Speaker 2: Well, I felt cool because I recommended a guest for
Speaker 2: one podcast that I listened to, and so I got
Speaker 2: to listen.
Speaker 3: To the guest that I connected. Oh cool be on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: So it was Ali Colbert's podcasts, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you should have Sophie Santos on and so that like
Speaker 2: I felt like a little producer in my car listening
Speaker 2: to the episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just did hers too. I'm about it's
Speaker 1: about to come out soon, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Well start us with you. I did learn a
Speaker 2: new fact. So we were talking. I don't know how
Speaker 2: it came up. I was with some people yesterday and
Speaker 2: the conversation came up as like, how the Rock, like
Speaker 2: the WWE owns the Rock. That's why he's starting to
Speaker 2: go by Dwayne Johnson because if you use the name
Speaker 2: the the WWE.
Speaker 3: Makes money off of it.
Speaker 2: And that's why John Cena they own John Cena because
Speaker 2: he used that name. So anything he makes the ww
Speaker 2: he makes money. And I knew that, but John Cena
Speaker 2: doesn't give a fuck. He goes I'd be no older
Speaker 2: without them. I don't give a shit. He's like a
Speaker 2: company man, you know, he follows rules, he wears cargo shorts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then someone there goes, well, I'm friends with a
Speaker 2: supermodel and once she stopped modeling, she just sold her
Speaker 2: name and now is like made a billion doll Like
Speaker 2: is now such a million?
Speaker 3: And I was like, wait, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: And it's Kathy Ireland.
Speaker 1: So in the nineties the Kathy Ireland collection at kmart.
Speaker 3: But she has nothing to do. She just sold her name.
Speaker 2: And so after she was like done being able to model, cookwaar,
Speaker 2: clothing anything, everything, like she just makes money off the
Speaker 2: name instead of her body and face. And I was like,
Speaker 2: that is fucking cool. Because at first I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, why would you do that? But then
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, she just is raking it in And
Speaker 2: I loved her. I thought she was one of the
Speaker 2: oh so beautiful of the supermodels. I really loved her
Speaker 2: always as a kid. But I'm like, way to go,
Speaker 2: Like that's so smart. And I thought that was like
Speaker 2: I was like what, And then I'm like, wow, that's genius.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 1: When we were growing up, like the supermodels really were
Speaker 1: like full celebrities, like right next.
Speaker 3: Door to like Leonardo Dicapri.
Speaker 1: You know, like you'd be like, oh, I know, Cidy Crawford,
Speaker 1: Naomi Campbell, Christy Turlington, Claudia Schiffer. There was like like
Speaker 1: the era of the supermodel. I know, now there are
Speaker 1: big models and they have millions of followers on Instagram
Speaker 1: and stuff, but are they like as household.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what shifted.
Speaker 2: I do think like Gigi Hadid, Kendall Jenner, like the
Speaker 2: NEPO baby models are huge, and you know there's like
Speaker 2: Coco Rocha there's famous, but like I don't think the
Speaker 2: celebrity is the same because of Instagram, yeacause we only
Speaker 2: had the models, we only had the sports. Like now
Speaker 2: everyone is a hotty, Like everyone online is hot, everyone
Speaker 2: is sexy, everyone can sell stuff. Actresses, you know, Anna
Speaker 2: Winter was the first to do it. But like actresses
Speaker 2: are not on the covers of magazines. It's not just models,
Speaker 2: and so it's like it's I think, unless you're in it,
Speaker 2: it's harder. Yeah, unless it's like Chrissy Teagan, but I
Speaker 2: don't even know how, Like she's bigger at postmodeling, I think, right.
Speaker 1: Exactly or even like and even the ones you mentioned,
Speaker 1: Kendall and Gig sort of got big from TV stuff
Speaker 1: before they like as they were modeling, you know, so
Speaker 1: like TV kind of gave them a Alley oop and
Speaker 1: like Ashley Graham is like so huge. Yeah, I follow
Speaker 1: her do A lot of people know who she is,
Speaker 1: Like Cindy Crawford, Like, yeah, I don't know, but the
Speaker 1: Cindy Crawfords are the Kendall's and Gg's and Bella's, but
Speaker 1: to me their net Bo babies, So I don't give
Speaker 1: a shit as much. Well, they were also like in
Speaker 1: commercials and stuff like Cindy Crawford had like major pepsi pepsi,
Speaker 1: and like there was this famous commercial I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember this, but where Cindy Crawford sang for
Speaker 1: this perfume called Charlie and it was the worst thing
Speaker 1: ever where she was like they call it shoh Harley,
Speaker 1: like you can google it, I think, but SnO made
Speaker 1: fun of it like it was you shouldn't get models
Speaker 1: to sing.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that, but I remember like, yeah, Carra Delavine.
Speaker 2: But again, they're all just like rich girls. They come
Speaker 2: from wealth. So I don't know about the nineties models,
Speaker 2: but I don't think it was the same.
Speaker 1: Like or is anybody ever getting like discovered at a
Speaker 1: supermarket and then they're like a massive model anymore?
Speaker 3: Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: It feels like you come from a NEPO family or
Speaker 1: you're rich, or you're like Kara Delavine from like London
Speaker 1: or whatever British society.
Speaker 2: No, Kate Upton was, Oh yeah, Kate Upton. She got wreck.
Speaker 2: She got found by doing like a little dance at
Speaker 2: an NBA game on the JumboTron. Oh, and that's how
Speaker 2: she became a household name. And she has one of
Speaker 2: my favorite magazine covers of all time. But and then
Speaker 2: the girl from my high school. She was a victorious
Speaker 2: secret angel. She Dave Leonardo DiCaprio. She was discovered on
Speaker 2: the beach on a vacation to Florida with her friend
Speaker 2: from high school.
Speaker 3: But she is no longer a model, So damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not seeing anything from Kate Upton lately either.
Speaker 3: Where's that girl been?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I guess I could check her Instagram. Maybe she's just
Speaker 3: living life belong.
Speaker 1: Now he's giving us the second flag. All right, we
Speaker 1: got to start this episode. We got a hot one
Speaker 1: for you today, don't go anywhow.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we are doing October Surprise, which is a
Speaker 2: fun title. Honestly, I always we always give shit to
Speaker 2: Warren Light, but I kind of like this one.
Speaker 1: But I think that this is a political term.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't know that.
Speaker 1: Like, I think it's a political term to call something
Speaker 1: in October surprise. It's like people whip it out to
Speaker 1: fuck you right before the election in November.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's even more clever. This might be the best
Speaker 2: Worn Light title we've seen so far. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: out on a limb and say that, and it's season fifteen.
Speaker 2: On Hulu it says five. The official it's episode six,
Speaker 2: Live Your Lives people, it's six.
Speaker 3: We don't go buy Hulu's bullshit.
Speaker 2: I know, but then I don't want people later being
Speaker 2: like it's actually five, and then media having to be like,
Speaker 2: how dare you correct me?
Speaker 3: So I just have to do this ahead of time.
Speaker 3: So we're starting off.
Speaker 2: We're watching a news broadcast about the New York mayoral election,
Speaker 2: and holy shit, it's Lester Holt and he's playing a
Speaker 2: Channel eight news anchor and I feel very connected to him.
Speaker 2: So I thought he was a Chicago anchor and started
Speaker 2: that way, but it's not. He's always been national news.
Speaker 2: Is Lester Holtz a part of your heart or how
Speaker 2: do you?
Speaker 5: Yeah? You know?
Speaker 1: I've played drinking games with Lester Holt one time during
Speaker 1: the Olympics. Yes, after the Olympics, Lester Holt and a
Speaker 1: guy who was on camera at WNBC, which is New
Speaker 1: York's like NBC News, they came and played kings with us.
Speaker 3: It's like you know, where you pull cards.
Speaker 1: And they all make you do something like, oh, this
Speaker 1: one's a waterfall, this one you got to.
Speaker 3: Make up a rhyme or something like that. They played.
Speaker 1: They came and play games with us. Love Lester Hole.
Speaker 1: He was a fun time. That was at the Olympics
Speaker 1: in to Reno thirteen years ago, no longer, way longer seventeen.
Speaker 3: That was so that's so good to hear. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was a CBS reporter and anchor from nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: one to two thousand. I mean, how many people do
Speaker 2: know that have kept one job for that long? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he was at NBC News two thousand to present.
Speaker 2: He does the nightly news and Dateline. And in twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen there was a poll on The Hollywood Reporter and
Speaker 2: he was voted the most trusted man in news. When
Speaker 2: in the music he's in the movie The Fugitive, which
Speaker 2: is Chicago, and maybe that's why I oh he is
Speaker 2: Yeah as a news guy of course, so he was
Speaker 2: in The Fugitive, which is one of my favorite movie.
Speaker 3: I like this Hole.
Speaker 1: I feel like Lester Holt kind of like Brian Days
Speaker 1: used to be very trusted and then he wasn't. Mott
Speaker 1: Lower used to be very trusted, then he wasn't. Lester
Speaker 1: holds still kind of the guy he is. He took
Speaker 1: over for one of them. I think Bryan. I think Bran. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so whatever. Just to start with Lester, I can't.
Speaker 2: I thought he was like my childhood, but I guess
Speaker 2: he's just always been for everybody, not just locals.
Speaker 3: Lester holds for the people. Yes.
Speaker 2: And so the lead in this fake mayoral race is
Speaker 2: Alejandro Mugna Munez.
Speaker 3: God, this is going to be a nightmare episode for me.
Speaker 2: So we cut to him doing a speech to the
Speaker 2: people of the street, you know, to the people on
Speaker 2: the streets of New York, and he's really getting people
Speaker 2: pumped up. And then it cuts to a roundtable dinner
Speaker 2: type function and he's campaigning and he's trying to be
Speaker 2: super inspirational. He has a wife no one wants anyone
Speaker 2: in politics that's single. And guess who she is? The
Speaker 2: mom from the episode Loophole from two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: So she's the actress name Karen Olivo, and she's a
Speaker 2: big time Broadway gal. So she was original cast of
Speaker 2: Mulin Rouge West Side Story in the Heights.
Speaker 3: So she's working and I.
Speaker 1: Think we got in trouble a little bit from some
Speaker 1: of the Broadway babies that listen when we didn't mention
Speaker 1: that during loophole. So here we are mentioning it now,
Speaker 1: giving Karen her props.
Speaker 2: Another man is speaking and it's another Broadway baby. So
Speaker 2: it's a really star studded cold open if you ask me.
Speaker 2: And this guy's name is you know him, Leslie Odom Junior.
Speaker 2: He's the reverend and he loves Munez. He can't get enough.
Speaker 2: And we cut to some men clapping and holy shit,
Speaker 2: it's oz Icon Kirk Acevedo, who I love. I am
Speaker 2: like obsessed and he's been enough U s views. And
Speaker 2: then to keep the star studdedness of the cold open going,
Speaker 2: future pedophile Hank Abraham, friend of the Pod and og
Speaker 2: Ninja Turtle.
Speaker 1: So we love Josh Pisce. Yeah we should say his name.
Speaker 2: Well one, yeah, Hank Abraham's the pedophile, Josh Pisce is
Speaker 2: the Ninja Turtle. Yes, and he was a great guest
Speaker 2: as well, and so if he would And then people
Speaker 2: were like, I can't believe you didn't mention the sex
Speaker 2: and the city thing when he was a guest, But
Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, we talked about it. We
Speaker 2: had to cut it out. But maybe if you see
Speaker 2: us live you can ask us why yeah, not everything
Speaker 2: makes it in So if he wins, he would be
Speaker 2: the first Hispanic mayor of New York City and he's
Speaker 2: for the people. So now his wife is talking at
Speaker 2: the opening of his center in the Bronx, and kirk
Speaker 2: Osceveda is like, yo to the mayor, I got to
Speaker 2: handle something, and the mayor excuses him to leave, and
Speaker 2: he rushes off. Hank Abraham wants the gossip, but the
Speaker 2: mayor all candidates, just like it's personal business, gets shut up.
Speaker 3: So the wife is talking.
Speaker 2: About core values and calls up the father of her
Speaker 2: children and he comes up to cut the ribbon. As
Speaker 2: he's cutting the ribbon, we get an amazing editing sequence
Speaker 2: and the pair of scissors jumps to another Broadway superstar.
Speaker 3: Jesus this cold open.
Speaker 2: Annalie Ashford, wife of a former guest Joey, taps thank
Speaker 2: you tapper, and she's holding up scissors while saying I'll
Speaker 2: cut you. I swear to God not great. So who
Speaker 2: are the scissors pointed at. It's mister Personal Business himself,
Speaker 2: kirk Oscevedo, and he's begging for her to put the
Speaker 2: scissors down.
Speaker 3: He grabs her pushes her against the.
Speaker 2: Wall and uh oh, the police come running in right
Speaker 2: at that moment as she screams, he's breaking my arm.
Speaker 3: He says he's on the job with the doc.
Speaker 2: The cops make him step back and make her drop
Speaker 2: the scissors. Her nose is bleeding, and she says that
Speaker 2: he was trying to rape her, and he's like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck, no way, our blonde victim. Lindsay is now
Speaker 2: in the hospital with Benson and tomorrow she is like,
Speaker 2: thank god, the cops got here so fast. I don't
Speaker 2: think I'd be able to hold him off much longer.
Speaker 2: That was a good impression, right, yeah, thank you. So
Speaker 2: she has like a baby nasal voice throughout this episode.
Speaker 2: She asks also she is a huge Bravo fan, and
Speaker 2: she was on the episode of Watch What Happens Live
Speaker 2: with Kristen Dodie. Yes, so if you guys want to
Speaker 2: make all those connections in your head, and she's starring
Speaker 2: now on Sweeney Todd on Broadway. So she asks her
Speaker 2: how we got into the apartment. She sighs she let
Speaker 2: him in because he just wanted to talk, so you know,
Speaker 2: she obviously knows him. She says they were in a
Speaker 2: relationship and she was trying to break it off, and
Speaker 2: he said nobody leaves him, and he has friends from
Speaker 2: prison that can hurt her. So then it cuts to
Speaker 2: our boy Barbara in a luxurious office and oh my god,
Speaker 2: the mayor is coming to visit him. They're friends and
Speaker 2: they embrace like old friends, and he knows Barba's busy,
Speaker 2: but they need to talk about something and it's about Eddie.
Speaker 2: Eddie is kirk Oscevedo. So the Mayor explains he was
Speaker 2: in a fight with a girl and she says he
Speaker 2: tried to rape her and as you picked him up
Speaker 2: last night, and he's asking Barbara to please take.
Speaker 3: Care of it.
Speaker 2: So he looks back in thought and he's like, uh oh,
Speaker 2: what am I gonna do? So you know, that's what
Speaker 2: I would have called this episode Old friends or morals?
Speaker 3: What will Barba choose? We're back from the credits.
Speaker 2: We have my favorite guy, Eddie is and he's an
Speaker 2: interrogation with Finn and Rollins and he's like, listen, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry I hurt her arm, but she's gonna cut my
Speaker 2: balls off and he said he was there to do
Speaker 2: the right thing, and Rollin snickers and he's like okay,
Speaker 2: and what's that. He explained she was pregnant and that
Speaker 2: he had to pay up, and Finn is like, well,
Speaker 2: and you don't think.
Speaker 3: It's yours, Like what's up?
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking he's gonna say I didn't fuck her,
Speaker 2: I had a vasectomy.
Speaker 3: There's no way.
Speaker 2: But his excuse is that he actually has a super
Speaker 2: strong pullout game and so that's why this baby can't
Speaker 2: be his. And so he just went over there to
Speaker 2: get some sense knocked into her, and he actually has
Speaker 2: to rush if we can finish this up because he
Speaker 2: has to go visit his son's school. But there they
Speaker 2: still have questions because they're like, well, what sense were
Speaker 2: you trying to knock into her?
Speaker 3: Like what's up?
Speaker 2: And basically she wanted to have an abortion and he's Catholic,
Speaker 2: so he doesn't believe in that, so what an idiot?
Speaker 2: And then Finn is like, well, it's we found two
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on your person, so were you going to
Speaker 2: pay for the abortion her?
Speaker 3: Pay her? A like what were you doing with that?
Speaker 2: And he's smart and he's like, oh, I'm actually not
Speaker 2: going to be saying anything else.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Benson joins Barba in the spying area.
Speaker 2: And she's like, this case is way below your standards.
Speaker 3: What are you doing here?
Speaker 2: And Barba explains in sidebar that the mayor mayor old
Speaker 2: candidate Alex Munez hit him up as an old friend
Speaker 2: and that they grew up together with Eddie and they
Speaker 2: were the three Musketeers of Jerome Avenue. Alex had heart,
Speaker 2: Barba had the mouth, and Eddie had the muscle. They
Speaker 2: didn't super stay in touch because you know, they all
Speaker 2: stayed in the Bronx and he went skiing and shot,
Speaker 2: so their friendship did not last or you know, they're
Speaker 2: still friends. Benson is shocked that the mayor candidate has
Speaker 2: time to watch like out for childhood friends. Barbara says
Speaker 2: that Eddie has been volunteering for the campaign and Benson
Speaker 2: is like, no, dummy, and she's like, wait, so is
Speaker 2: he watching out for Eddie or for Alex? And Barbara goes,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess both. Eddie is dumb but good
Speaker 2: and his wife took off and he takes care of
Speaker 2: his mother and kid and he wants to keep going.
Speaker 2: But Benson shuts him down and says, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 2: this doesn't excuse attempted rape. And Barbara's like, okay, but
Speaker 2: what if that's not what it was? And they're like,
Speaker 2: can we just give him benefit of the doubt? I
Speaker 2: want to give that to Eddie and Benson's not happy,
Speaker 2: but she agrees to do that. So we cut to Tomorrow,
Speaker 2: who does not get it and is livid that we're
Speaker 2: doing any kind of favors for Barba's friend. And this
Speaker 2: is a man who has shot at multiple unarmed children
Speaker 2: at this point. So so there's like a chat happening.
Speaker 2: It's a walk and talk in the hallways of an
Speaker 2: apartment building, and Tomorrow is talking to Benson being like
Speaker 2: why are we doing this, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, well, she would do this for you, so shut
Speaker 3: the fuck up.
Speaker 2: So we go visit our blonde girl, Lindsey, and she's
Speaker 2: vaping and the detectives enter into loud pop music and
Speaker 2: there's clothes thrown around everywhere in the apartment and Amar's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you don't have to preserve the crime scene and she's like, hmm,
Speaker 2: it always looks like this. So then Benson is like,
Speaker 2: put your cigarette out and we're all like, that's clearly
Speaker 2: a vape. Benson, like, I thought you were a detective
Speaker 2: like that, that's not a cigarette.
Speaker 3: It doesn't she's not holding it like a cigarette.
Speaker 2: They're even I mean now vapes are more prevalent, but like,
Speaker 2: they don't look like each other. Yeah, it's just she
Speaker 2: looks like an idiot, but Benson judges her for the vape. Anyhow,
Speaker 2: they are there to get scoop and she gives it
Speaker 2: up while sitting on a white, furry little seat.
Speaker 3: So she says that.
Speaker 2: They met her and Eddie met while he walked into
Speaker 2: her shoe store about six weeks ago. She's a foot
Speaker 2: model and a shoe designer. I don't believe her. And
Speaker 2: then she keeps talking and she does work retail between gigs,
Speaker 2: and I'm back believing her. So Benson of course knows
Speaker 2: the brand of the shoes, and she's groping them like, ooh,
Speaker 2: these look kind of too expensive for Eddie. You know,
Speaker 2: he is trash after all, and she's like, well, he
Speaker 2: came in with his wife, and then the next day
Speaker 2: he came in on his own, and Benson presses, are
Speaker 2: you sure it was his wife? And she's like, duh,
Speaker 2: that's why we were fighting about. I didn't want to
Speaker 2: be the girl on the side anymore. And well, the
Speaker 2: thing is Lindsay. Eddie said that you attacked him because
Speaker 2: you were pregnant, and she smiles and goes, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: So she says, I'm not pregnant, and then blow's smoke
Speaker 2: in Benson's face and Benson's like, okay, well, then why
Speaker 2: would he say that? And she says, well, if my
Speaker 2: cigarette bothers you, maybe I could just talk to him.
Speaker 2: And she looks Tomorrow up and down and just wants
Speaker 2: to suck his dick then and there. So Benson leaves
Speaker 2: Lindsay he ever.
Speaker 1: Knows one of Benson knows one of these girls, that's like,
Speaker 1: I'd rather talk to him, Like we've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of those from her Maloney days for Tomorrow Days.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of them. She's like, after you, I
Speaker 3: don't know, does Caresy ever get that kind of treatment?
Speaker 2: Not really, Lindsay and her bold rep red lips stay
Speaker 2: and she says that she doesn't want to press charges anymore.
Speaker 2: He says, that's a little too late for that, babe.
Speaker 2: And Eddie is a good guy. We just got too
Speaker 2: hot under the collar. He's like, wait, wait, wait, so
Speaker 2: yesterday he was trying to rape you and today he's
Speaker 2: a good guy, and Tomorrow, angrily and like anger in
Speaker 2: his face, asks did someone tell you not to talk?
Speaker 3: And she's like why would you say that?
Speaker 2: Dramatic music begins to play, and we just cut to
Speaker 2: Benson and Barba in an elevator. Barbara is fact checking
Speaker 2: the slut. He says that Eddie hasn't seen his wife
Speaker 2: in three years and there's no way he was there
Speaker 2: six weeks with her. She lives in Miami, and Benson goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's wearing a ring and Barba's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's Catholic and loyal, that's why. And Lindsay saw the
Speaker 2: ring and just ran with the story. Benson doesn't like
Speaker 2: that she only wanted to talk to Tomorrow, but Barba's like, duh,
Speaker 2: she's a slut. So now we see this girl as
Speaker 2: a manipulator and a liar. But then Benson goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: but Eddie is also a liar and a manipulator. So
Speaker 2: a lot of lies everywhere for everybody. We're now at
Speaker 2: the lenox Landaus School Foundation, October twenty fifth, days before Halloween,
Speaker 2: and I wonder if our detectives have their costumes planned
Speaker 2: yet for the big Yeah, they're talking to a dork
Speaker 2: of a man who knows Lindsay and he's like, oh no,
Speaker 2: what's what is it?
Speaker 3: This time?
Speaker 2: Finn and Rollins are there and he did take out
Speaker 2: an order of protection against her.
Speaker 3: So how did you guys meet? So she friended it.
Speaker 2: She facebook friended him after he started the charity, and
Speaker 2: she's like, very into school issues, she said, and Finn
Speaker 2: is like, you're a fool, and he goes, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: probably naive. He does confirm an affair, so it's he
Speaker 2: calls her the perfect intersection of hot and crazy. But
Speaker 2: it went wrong because he underestimated the crazy and started
Speaker 2: demanding money and when it wasn't enough, she would boil.
Speaker 2: She said that she would boil the bunny aka. She
Speaker 2: started stalking the kids, his kids outside their school and
Speaker 2: sent emails to his wife and the board about the affair,
Speaker 2: and his marriage ended and it's all her fault.
Speaker 3: JK, it's your fault. You had the family, you fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: And then he lost a giant grant from the Gates
Speaker 2: Foundation and Rollins is like, wait, hold up, did she
Speaker 2: know about the grant? And he goes, yeah, we had
Speaker 2: a big press release. And then now he finally realizes
Speaker 2: again he's like so naive that he got got and
Speaker 2: he's really sad and he's like, oh, I'm man, it
Speaker 2: was always about the money. So now we have a
Speaker 2: giant picture of Lindsay on the corkboard, and Lindsay is
Speaker 2: a great crazy girl named for sure. I believe, all
Speaker 2: hands on deck for a brainstorm session. Finn says there
Speaker 2: are four men with orders of protection against her for
Speaker 2: harassment and extortion. Rollinson walks in holding papers saying two
Speaker 2: more orders of protection from an ex mother in law
Speaker 2: and an ex shrink who kept getting texts from her
Speaker 2: to murder her vagina whatever that means, and Finn is like, oh,
Speaker 2: that means she's a freak.
Speaker 3: So I love that part.
Speaker 1: Well that's from isn't that an Amanda Bynes thing. Amanda
Speaker 1: Bynes tweeted, I want Drake to murder my vagina right
Speaker 1: around this time.
Speaker 2: God, you know you really have a memory that serves
Speaker 2: this podcast. That is great. I hope Amanda is doing good.
Speaker 2: I know she's recent episode. I love her.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get a really crazy biopic about her one day,
Speaker 1: and we're all gonna feel bad about what happened. I
Speaker 1: think we already feel bad. I don't think enough people to.
Speaker 1: Oh really, a lot of people are like, whoa, that
Speaker 1: crazy girl, and it's like we need to get the full,
Speaker 1: like we the full.
Speaker 3: Britney spearsing of it all, where you know what's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: even though we don't have that yet. For Brittany, I
Speaker 3: feel no.
Speaker 2: I mean, now there's rumors that we haven't seen her
Speaker 2: in forever and it's a body double. And then Kevin
Speaker 2: Feederline's taking the kids to Hawaii because I guess in
Speaker 2: Hawaii you have to pay child support till you're twenty five,
Speaker 2: but on the mainland it's eighteen, so he's taking the
Speaker 2: kids to Hawaii to continue getting money or it's.
Speaker 3: Twenty two or something like that.
Speaker 1: So I posted something recently that her mom showed up
Speaker 1: at her door and that they're reconciled.
Speaker 3: Oh whoa.
Speaker 2: But that also adds to the sketched body double and
Speaker 2: that she's been I just who knows these women give
Speaker 2: us so much. I mean, Amanda minds was. I mean,
Speaker 2: both of them are so talented, but Amanda is just
Speaker 2: like a comedic little teen child genius so good.
Speaker 3: I used to have her.
Speaker 2: Milk got milk ad magnetd to our fridge because I
Speaker 2: wanted her hair. She had like gorgeous hair in the
Speaker 2: gut milk ad the gorgeous blonde highlights. Anyways, murder my
Speaker 2: vagina merch. Now we're back. So this girl has gone
Speaker 2: back and forth about pressing charges. So maybe Barba is
Speaker 2: right and we give Eddie the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2: Amara was like, listen, all the other marks were worth
Speaker 2: the risk. They were all rich people. Eddie works at Rikers,
Speaker 2: So maybe the target's actually mayor Alex.
Speaker 3: Drum beat bump, bump, bump bumb So.
Speaker 2: Now we have a courthouse hallway walk and talk with Benson,
Speaker 2: Amaro and Barba and Amaro phills Barbara in Eddie wasn't
Speaker 2: in a relationship with Lindsay and wasn't trying to rape her,
Speaker 2: but we think it was with your buddy Alex, and
Speaker 2: he was shaking him down for Alex, and Alex sent
Speaker 2: Eddie over to tune her up. Barba glares with anger.
Speaker 2: He's like, if you knew Yelina, you would know he
Speaker 2: would never step out on her. And it's like, oh, Barbara,
Speaker 2: yours naive is the little dork and you're not objective
Speaker 2: and he stays Ferman says, you're wrong, but go along
Speaker 2: with it, like any other investigation.
Speaker 3: I'm not standing in your way.
Speaker 2: So now Rollins is talking to a classic landlord vibe guy,
Speaker 2: you know, coffee cups, cigaret hanging out his mouth, and
Speaker 2: he's like, yep, she moved out last night, four suitcases
Speaker 2: in a limo, in a hurry. She left a lot
Speaker 2: of shoes, size six. So if you want some shoes,
Speaker 2: take them up. So Amar and Finn are at a
Speaker 2: campaign event and he's talking up his wife and how
Speaker 2: she's pretty and smart and you'd all be lucky to
Speaker 2: have her. There's Immuna's Chance and the speech and everyone's
Speaker 2: like going wild, and then Amar and Finn are waiting
Speaker 2: for him, and his face sinks a little bit. He
Speaker 2: lies to his wife and says they're talking about the
Speaker 2: Police Foundation event and they walk into the kitchen to
Speaker 2: have the chat. Alex says he's in a hurry, and
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, but it's a like for me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's a local election, like I think you can relax
Speaker 2: a little bit. But also there are some loose ends
Speaker 2: to tie up. So they bring up Lindsay and he
Speaker 2: quickly is like, yeah, Eddie's an idiot and not the
Speaker 2: best judge of character and she probably saw an easy
Speaker 2: But Tomorrow brings up, how guess what. Not only is
Speaker 2: he dumb, he's also poor, so why would she go
Speaker 2: after him? He says he doesn't know what to tell them,
Speaker 2: but you know, they get closer to him and they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're being respectful and we're not bringing in the brass
Speaker 2: and we're keeping it quiet.
Speaker 3: But like, is he covering for you or what? He says.
Speaker 2: He's a happily married man and he's never met Lindsay
Speaker 2: and he swears on his mother's grave like a real
Speaker 2: housewife at a reunion, deny, deny, deny. He's like, why
Speaker 2: what did she say? And they're like, ah, nothing at all.
Speaker 2: She left her apartment last night and we're tracking her down.
Speaker 2: He just smiles and walks off, and he does not
Speaker 2: give a fuck and is not nervous. So I Fin
Speaker 2: and Tomorrow are walking being like, huh, what are we
Speaker 2: gonna do? Like he does not think that we're gonna
Speaker 2: find her, and then Tomorrow is like, well, don't worry
Speaker 2: about that. I friended her on Facebook and this is
Speaker 2: so dated. Because then Finn asks if she poked him,
Speaker 2: which is hysterical. She liked his photo and the like
Speaker 2: poking is such a Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1: Thing because even when we were all big on Facebook,
Speaker 1: we weren't doing that, Like, even when Facebook was the thing,
Speaker 1: you weren't poking.
Speaker 2: No, but it is just such a dork thing, like
Speaker 2: ha ha, I like you you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like it's just so Harvard. So she liked his photo
Speaker 2: and her most recent photos are on a plane headed
Speaker 2: to Israel for her new job as a political consultant
Speaker 2: to the Labor Party in Tel Aviv.
Speaker 3: L oh L.
Speaker 1: Like she was just living in a fully like dishovel
Speaker 1: apartment with a bunch of shoes and no, she's like
Speaker 1: off to help the Labor Party in Israel.
Speaker 3: Audios, shalom. You mean.
Speaker 2: So we run to Hay Abraham's office aka future pedophile.
Speaker 3: And so current.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, how does a former shoe clerk work in
Speaker 2: your client's political campaign in the Middle East? I didn't
Speaker 2: realize New York mayors have political campaigns in Israel.
Speaker 3: What is happening? I don't know?
Speaker 2: Can someone please write to us? I don't understand what's happening?
Speaker 2: He corrects him shoe model I believe. Then he's smugly
Speaker 2: is like, wait, how is this Svu's concern? He also says,
Speaker 2: I mean should I call the DA because I'm handling
Speaker 2: his campaign? So what's up? And Finn is like, you
Speaker 2: do whatever you need to do and Omar I was like,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's gonna look pretty bad a spin doctor
Speaker 2: who can't control bad press about his own office. And
Speaker 2: Kank says, okay, can we just handle this quietly? It's
Speaker 2: a private matter. And Finn is like, oh shit, she
Speaker 2: was involved with you and he says that his right
Speaker 2: hand man, That's what it was. And it's a disaster.
Speaker 2: He has a wife and two beautiful children, and so
Speaker 2: then it's like, well why did he cheat? And these
Speaker 2: guys are just all such trash bags, Like you can't
Speaker 2: use your wife and kids as an excuse of why
Speaker 2: someone should be quiet when you don't think about them
Speaker 2: when you do bad things? Right, Why do I have
Speaker 2: to think about your family more than you think about
Speaker 2: your family? It's like wild. Yeah, So they're like, fine,
Speaker 2: can we talk to him? But sadly we can't because
Speaker 2: he's at a job overseas. Let's get let's guess where, Yes,
Speaker 2: tel Aviv, So I feel like I don't know if
Speaker 2: I was confusing here, But this girl has also had
Speaker 2: things with the right hand man, so they're both in Israel,
Speaker 2: and Hank's like, listen, it's a win win. So the
Speaker 2: DA has heard of this special little meeting, and Barbara
Speaker 2: confronts Tomorrow and Benson with that info but like, okay,
Speaker 2: like I don't, I don't know. Barbara's a little annoying here,
Speaker 2: and Barba's like, wait, why would he send a campaign
Speaker 2: worker out of the country right before the election? So
Speaker 2: he's starting to maybe be suspicious. So Barbara's understanding it
Speaker 2: like maybe your friends from the Bronx suck, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know. So then Barba inquires, like, what have Eddie
Speaker 2: and Alex's responses to this have been. Alex has denied
Speaker 2: and they can't find Eddie, so then Barbara suggests him
Speaker 2: reaching out to them. So Omar's like, no, I was
Speaker 2: going to suggest going the other way and you should
Speaker 2: recuse yourself. But the DA has asked him to stay
Speaker 2: on it for the optics and he wants to be
Speaker 2: kept in the loop. So Marrow accuses him like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so you can keep Munaz in the loop. And Barba
Speaker 2: is offended and Benson tells them both to calm down.
Speaker 2: Benson is going to keep digging and Barba's like, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: but if you're going to take a shot at the
Speaker 2: front runner of the mayoral campaign ten days out from
Speaker 2: the election, make sure.
Speaker 3: You don't miss done. Done.
Speaker 2: So they go to the apartment of Eddie and a
Speaker 2: child answers the door. His dad is home, and the
Speaker 2: dad like sends him back to the apartment into the apartment.
Speaker 2: As he approaches the door, his voice is raspy and
Speaker 2: he is looking great.
Speaker 3: So they got some questions for him.
Speaker 2: He's like sure, so the DA is dropping the assault charges, right,
Speaker 2: and they're like yeah, but this is about witness tampering.
Speaker 2: He seems confused about what they're talking about, and Finn's like, well,
Speaker 2: what was the two thousand dollars in your pocket? He's like,
Speaker 2: I told you it's for the abortion and Rollin's is like,
Speaker 2: you mean the one you don't believe in, so a lie.
Speaker 2: Rollin's is like, we think it's money Alex gave you
Speaker 2: to shut her up, But to me, that's not a
Speaker 2: lot of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it was just like a first installment. They
Speaker 1: just got to get her to shut up for ten
Speaker 1: more days. You know, two grand is just that's right,
Speaker 1: that's a month of rent. Yeah, because her apartment was nice.
Speaker 1: They try to make it look shitty, but we know
Speaker 1: what New York is, and it was a great apartment.
Speaker 3: It looked pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says, look mad. Respect Okay, what but his
Speaker 2: lawyer told him he doesn't have to talk to them anymore.
Speaker 3: Rollin says, by lawyer, do you mean Alex?
Speaker 2: And he's like, I gotta go cook dinner for my
Speaker 2: family and he shuts the door. Barbara's at his desk
Speaker 2: working late as Yelina walks in and she's in a
Speaker 2: cocktail dress and they speak some Spanish and hug and
Speaker 2: she's on her way to another rubber chicken dinner. He says, well,
Speaker 2: then they're very lucky, and you know they giggle. So
Speaker 2: what's up? She says, you tell me. Detectives came to
Speaker 2: talk to Alex, So what's up? So Barba's in suspenders
Speaker 2: and is like, okay, Alex sent you so I could
Speaker 2: tell you more information, and she's like, no, not at all.
Speaker 2: He lied and gave me some excuse, and he doesn't
Speaker 2: know that I'm here, and so then Barbara goes, great,
Speaker 2: then let's not have this conversation at all then, and
Speaker 2: Yelena is like, Nah, that doesn't work for me. You're
Speaker 2: Alex's old friend, so if there's something that we need
Speaker 2: to worry about, you should tell us.
Speaker 3: He says he can't talk about this with her.
Speaker 2: Yalina says that Alex didn't marry a fool and he's
Speaker 2: on the verge of doing something really great for all
Speaker 2: of us. Then she says, Poppy, don't ruin his chances,
Speaker 2: and I love that. Barbara says, if he has nothing
Speaker 2: to hide, then he has nothing to worry about. She
Speaker 2: nods and says, so it's like that, hmm. So she
Speaker 2: just tell me one thing? Is this in any way
Speaker 2: about us? They stare, He doesn't answer, she walks off.
Speaker 1: I guess this is like one of the I watched
Speaker 1: this show always thinking Barbara was gay, Like I never
Speaker 1: saw the Barba Benson thing. But I guess this is
Speaker 1: one of the times where he does have maybe a
Speaker 1: thing past thing with a woman that I must have missed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're also all young. Some people don't care,
Speaker 3: so you know grad school, but he's.
Speaker 1: Flirting with her a little bit, Like I think he
Speaker 1: plays I think Barbara plays him by, but like he's
Speaker 1: flirting with her a little bit. So I get, but
Speaker 1: I don't see that with Olivia, the flirting.
Speaker 3: I see it with this woman. Yeah, no, Barba is by.
Speaker 2: So we got our cuties in a side room with
Speaker 2: the blinds down. So we have Benson, Tomorrow, Rollins and
Speaker 2: Finn waiting for Barba to enter. He enters and is like,
Speaker 2: where is the fire? So there's a laptop propped open,
Speaker 2: and uh oh, there's something that they need him to see.
Speaker 3: Omaro explains.
Speaker 2: Since Lindsay found her other marks from social media, we
Speaker 2: decided to do some investigating. So Rollin's, the Queen of
Speaker 2: the Flirt, went online and set up an iHeart Alex
Speaker 2: Midez for Mayor page. I can't even say it without laughing.
Speaker 2: So he messaged in a half an hour and wrote,
Speaker 2: hey babe, and Barba's like, wait, you set up a
Speaker 2: honey trap and she proudly says yes, That's why I
Speaker 2: came here from Georgia to be your it girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He then suggested to take the convo off a less
Speaker 2: public site. And they went on a site called Pleasure
Speaker 2: without Conscious Conscience. Oh my god, you know that word
Speaker 2: really trips me up. Uh oh, so this is Pleasure
Speaker 2: without Conscience dot com. It's a cheating site and he
Speaker 2: has an account and his alter ego is Enrique Trouble.
Speaker 2: She sent a sexy selfie at you know, cleavage and
Speaker 2: Rollins shows it off to everyone and goes, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm a slut. Barbara keeps being.
Speaker 2: Like, sure, this is a hoax, like this isn't real,
Speaker 2: and she's like, well, I asked for a photo, so
Speaker 2: we're waiting for a response, and Barba then goes, well,
Speaker 2: don't hold your breath. He's at an event right now,
Speaker 2: a fundraiser with his wife and daughters. And Barba's like,
Speaker 2: he doesn't have fucking time for this, and Finn knows
Speaker 2: the game and he goes, no, man, guys like this
Speaker 2: make time.
Speaker 3: Guess what ding ding ding?
Speaker 2: We got a reply tuxedo shirt and suspenders down in
Speaker 2: a really hairy chest and I like it.
Speaker 3: She says, is that all you got? Ding ding ding?
Speaker 2: And now it's him in his underwear with his dress
Speaker 2: pants around his ankles, ding ding ding. We don't get
Speaker 2: to see this, but Finda's see a picture and he goes,
Speaker 2: that's the full Muno.
Speaker 3: Muno's moons, Munyos, Munhos.
Speaker 2: That is the full Munyos. I don't even think my
Speaker 2: tongue moves in that way. So tomorrow looks some mug
Speaker 2: like see told you, and this dude wants to be
Speaker 2: the next mayor of New York and Barba's in shock.
Speaker 2: So now Barba and Munyos are at a cafe diner
Speaker 2: Vibe and it looks like my perfect restaurant. I would
Speaker 2: love to get some corn beef fashi at this place.
Speaker 2: So Munya's is like, this is did I do it again? Munos?
Speaker 2: Munyo's is like this is terrible. Someone's setting me up.
Speaker 2: And Barba's like, okay, yeah, I know that, and that's
Speaker 2: what I'm here to clear this.
Speaker 3: Shut up.
Speaker 2: So someone else sent the pictures of your penis and
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm not even gonna dignify this with an answer,
Speaker 2: and Barbara's like, well, i'm your friend and you better
Speaker 2: start speaking up.
Speaker 3: And he's like, I was hacked. I was hacked, and Barbara.
Speaker 2: Goes, great, we'll get our tech team on it, and
Speaker 2: he goes, no, no, no, my team will be on it,
Speaker 2: and it's like, fuck you. Yeah, He's like, how can
Speaker 2: you believe this? It's obviously Wall Street trying to keep
Speaker 2: me out of City Hall, and Barbara is done. He says,
Speaker 2: you better start being honest with me and honest with yourself.
Speaker 2: You came for me, You came to me for help
Speaker 2: on Eddie's behalf and Alex is like, yeah, cause you're
Speaker 2: our friend. And Barbara responds, and you didn't ask our
Speaker 2: friend to go shut Lindsay up and Alex angrily says enough,
Speaker 2: I don't have time for this, and it's like, you
Speaker 2: better make time, babes, because you're going down, And while
Speaker 2: he's walking out, Barbara says it looks bad. Alex turns
Speaker 2: around and says to who to you? Hm, you get
Speaker 2: to judge me. You're my priest. You're gonna tell me
Speaker 2: how many hail Mary's I got to say, and Barbara
Speaker 2: cuts him off. Alex, I'm going so way out of
Speaker 2: a limb for you. I could lose my job simply
Speaker 2: by speaking to you, So please tell me there are
Speaker 2: no other women out there, and he says, Yolina is
Speaker 2: the only one, and I'm sorry if that hurts Raphael
Speaker 2: ooh Rafa and Yelina definitely had a thing and she
Speaker 2: chose Alex.
Speaker 3: Bad choice.
Speaker 2: So Barba is back with his crew, saying that he
Speaker 2: thinks Wall Street is setting him up. And Tomorrow does
Speaker 2: not like this, and it's like, wait, you gave him
Speaker 2: my head's up? What the fuck? So not only is
Speaker 2: he tampering with witnesses, he now has you to cover
Speaker 2: it up, and Benson plays teacher. Barbara yell's have you
Speaker 2: found any evidence yet? And the answer is no, not
Speaker 2: on the public sites, but they're gonna keep checking. Barbara
Speaker 2: walks off and a tizzy, but Amaro stops him on
Speaker 2: the way out. As they bicker back and forth, Amaro's like,
Speaker 2: you know, you can be charged with obstruction. Barba spins around, fine,
Speaker 2: report me see where that gets you, and Amorro says,
Speaker 2: it's not just about the sexting, dude. If this comes
Speaker 2: out after the election, it's gonna look like we were
Speaker 2: carrying the for him too, and Barbara goes, okay, but
Speaker 2: if we do it now, it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna look like a political hit.
Speaker 2: Barbara goes into the elevator and Tomorrow jumps in at
Speaker 2: the last minute to join him. Barba's like, oh great,
Speaker 2: you're giving me a ride. Thanks, then says I'm not
Speaker 2: cutting him a break because we're friends, and Tomorrow's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's about friendship.
Speaker 3: It's about you.
Speaker 2: You're afraid to go after him because while he stayed
Speaker 2: in the hood and played man of the people, you
Speaker 2: went off to Harvard and pretended you were one of
Speaker 2: the whites.
Speaker 3: He says, Green goes, but I felt silly and he's playing.
Speaker 2: He's playing you, dude, he is making you feel like
Speaker 2: a sellout. And Barba's like, okay, yeah, thanks for that.
Speaker 2: Bodega psychoanalysis. Detective ha ha, I love Bodega psychoanalysis. I
Speaker 2: really like it. Maybe a bracelet, maybe maybe a bracelet
Speaker 2: merch Bodega psycho analysis. So they speak Spanish to each
Speaker 2: other and split up. Benson asks Tomorrow as he walks back,
Speaker 2: and if they are okay, and he says, guys like
Speaker 2: Barbara are too smart for their own good. He gets
Speaker 2: the vibe from the crew that they're over it, and
Speaker 2: he's like, what the fuck do you guys think I
Speaker 2: should drop this? And Finn is like, I mean, sexting's
Speaker 2: not a crime, and he doesn't want to see any
Speaker 2: more selfies, and then he giggles and Tomorrow's not laying
Speaker 2: down on this. He's like, this clown could be Mayor
Speaker 2: and he opened himself up to blackmail, and this can
Speaker 2: be the tip of the iceberg. Rollin says, uh, oh,
Speaker 2: you might be right, it might not be just the tip.
Speaker 2: Benson runs over to him.
Speaker 3: Like, dude, there's so many puns.
Speaker 2: Benson runs over to him like, dude, if it is
Speaker 2: a political corruption case, we have to hand it over
Speaker 2: to the feds. Anyways, Finn is like, what are we
Speaker 2: gonna send over the picks he sent to Rollins, and
Speaker 2: Rollins is on the laptop saying that she's not the
Speaker 2: only one and that his alias Senrique Trouble is popping
Speaker 2: up on other sites.
Speaker 3: It goes back over a year ten so far.
Speaker 2: Finn says that makes him a dog, not a criminal,
Speaker 2: and Finn's body language is full lazy boy at this point,
Speaker 2: like he is a lounging at work. Rollins goes well,
Speaker 2: except one of these women that he was sexting with
Speaker 2: just got an executive position at the New York Gaming Commission.
Speaker 2: Finn stands up slowly and reluctantly. The violins start playing
Speaker 2: who pulled those strings?
Speaker 3: No government background.
Speaker 2: Finn, after looking at the pick for a second, says, wait,
Speaker 2: hold up, I've seen this girl on screen before and
Speaker 2: it wasn't on c SPAN, so we all know Finn
Speaker 2: is a porn addict with an encyclopedic knowledge of every
Speaker 2: porn actress's face. So they go visit her. She's confused,
Speaker 2: I already have the position. Finn and Rollins walk behind her.
Speaker 2: Just a few questions, like on your resume it says
Speaker 2: you went to University of Michigan and they don't have
Speaker 2: a record of you attending. She's like, damn, I should
Speaker 2: look into that and fix it. I mean I was
Speaker 2: more auditing, really, Rollin says what subjects? She says dance
Speaker 2: and movement, and Finn is so shady and goes no acting.
Speaker 3: She laughs and says no.
Speaker 2: Finn brings out the DVD he wants to get it signed,
Speaker 2: and so he's like, well, I have this DVD and
Speaker 2: it's called million Dollar a Night Baby. She says, this
Speaker 2: is unfair, stands up and says that was a long
Speaker 2: time ago. I didn't do any adult films after that.
Speaker 2: Are you guys from Vice. I didn't do any adult films.
Speaker 2: I did nothing illegal. Rollin says, we just want to
Speaker 2: know how you got your job here, and she name
Speaker 2: drops Enrique Trouble and she's like, whatever, what if he
Speaker 2: got me the job?
Speaker 3: Who cares?
Speaker 2: It's Albany, believe me, there are people a lot less
Speaker 2: qualified working here. So now they bring and who wants
Speaker 2: to work in Albanie Jesus Christ. So now they bring
Speaker 2: the DVD to Barba in a parking garage a la
Speaker 2: deep throat vibes, and he's like, okay, okay, so let
Speaker 2: me get this straight. He used his position to get
Speaker 2: a former porn star a job in Albanie. So yeah,
Speaker 2: basically that a little text text time, and then six
Speaker 2: months after that, she was complaining about how hard her
Speaker 2: life is. So Barbara gets excited, like yay, he helped
Speaker 2: her out, and they're like, babe, No.
Speaker 3: She told him she.
Speaker 2: Got a call from a reporter wanting to collab on
Speaker 2: a book, and then Alex started paying her off pretty
Speaker 2: cheap again, only five hundred dollars a month. But when
Speaker 2: the mayoral race campaign came up and he got her
Speaker 2: a job with the state any money trail Barbara asksinfin
Speaker 2: is like, no, he's too smart for that. It's always
Speaker 2: a bagman delivering cash. Every time it's silence. Barbara knows
Speaker 2: the bagman. So Barbara goes to see Eddie, who's at
Speaker 2: the park. He's like, how did you find me? And Barba'
Speaker 2: is like, oh, well, I went to see your mom,
Speaker 2: who told me where you'd be.
Speaker 3: And then they talk about how hot his mom is.
Speaker 2: So then Barbara sizes and sits down and they have
Speaker 2: a little talk. Barbara reminisces how Eddie always had his
Speaker 2: back and took care of him and you know, lunch
Speaker 2: money protection, and I'm in love with Eddie even though
Speaker 2: he is anti choice. Eddie calls him his brother and
Speaker 2: says he would never have learned English if it wasn't
Speaker 2: for Barbara, and they smile and it's really cute and
Speaker 2: Eddie's like, we're even right, and barb but goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're loyal to a fault. And then they stop talking
Speaker 2: about the past and we're in the future and Eddie
Speaker 2: asks how much trouble he's in and Barbara explains witness tampering, bribery, Eddie,
Speaker 2: those are felonies. Eddie drops his head and says, I
Speaker 2: can't roll on Alex. Barba says, you have to start
Speaker 2: to think about yourself because if not, you're going to
Speaker 2: go to jail, and an xco in jail, that's going
Speaker 2: to be like a hard time. Eddie's like, dude, he
Speaker 2: has always been so good to me when he's mayor.
Speaker 2: He said he's going to get me a job at
Speaker 2: one PP and Barba says, yes, but Alex is looking
Speaker 2: out for himself now, and you have a son and
Speaker 2: a mother to think about, and you're not going to
Speaker 2: be any good for them upstate. So he goes, I can't,
Speaker 2: I can't hurt Alex. But then he just goes, you
Speaker 2: know what, you were always the smart one. Why don't
Speaker 2: you tell me what to do. Barbara pats him on
Speaker 2: the back and it seems like he's pretty ready to
Speaker 2: talk now. So Eddie's an interrogation with his lawyer and
Speaker 2: Benson is taking down notes. So two steps a week
Speaker 2: to deliver envelopes to Anna and Jenny. Benson asks what
Speaker 2: about Lindsay and he's like, well, that was a one
Speaker 2: time payment and tomorrow is hands on hips watching standing up.
Speaker 2: Alex told him it was all legal and that we
Speaker 2: had to do it for the people of New York,
Speaker 2: and both Anna and Jenny ended up on state pay rolls.
Speaker 2: One isn't gaming and one isn't tourism. And his lawyer's like,
Speaker 2: so we've done here and tomorrow asks SETTI are we done?
Speaker 2: So Benson explains, we gave you queen for a day,
Speaker 2: but if you have anything else to say, now is
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: He nods no.
Speaker 2: So the lawyers like he cooperated fully come on and
Speaker 2: Amorro says, okay, but don't forget. If we find info
Speaker 2: that you didn't tell us everything, you could still go
Speaker 2: to prison. So then Eddie whispers to his lawyer and
Speaker 2: then admits there was another lady and he goes, I
Speaker 2: didn't handle her. They ask why not, and he has
Speaker 2: no idea, and he's like, I don't know me because
Speaker 2: she's from Yonkers and he overheard Alex talking to his
Speaker 2: brother in law about making another run. And this person's
Speaker 2: name is Joy, Jody's something like a French name, and
Speaker 2: she's a school teacher, and so dramatic music plays. We
Speaker 2: go to Grant High School. A principal points to a person,
Speaker 2: Amoro says, Jody Ear and then a young girl turns around.
Speaker 2: She is a teen Amorro, and Finn tell her they
Speaker 2: need to talk. When they are alone in a classroom.
Speaker 2: She breaks down, Oh my god, if this is about
Speaker 2: the mall, I already paid for those bracelets, so clearly
Speaker 2: she stole those bracelets and they're like, no, Alex Muno's
Speaker 2: and she denies knowing who that She denies knowing who
Speaker 2: that is, and Finn is like, okay, then why did
Speaker 2: he give you money? And she's like, okay, fine, I
Speaker 2: know what he is, but we never met and they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: but you did meet online. You exchanged messages and she's like,
Speaker 2: I can't talk about this and they're like, no, we
Speaker 2: know because he's paying you, right, And Amaro reminds her
Speaker 2: that she's not in any trouble and so like, you
Speaker 2: gotta help us out, girl, show us your cell phone
Speaker 2: and she says, I have rights, don't I?
Speaker 3: And I love that. Finn says yeah.
Speaker 2: Finn says, I mean we can get a warrant, but
Speaker 2: we'll have to talk to your mom, and so then no, no,
Speaker 2: please don't call my mom and so she panics.
Speaker 3: But this is also why you need to be a
Speaker 3: cool mom.
Speaker 2: So at this situation, your kid's like, yeah, go tell
Speaker 2: my mom instead of oh fuck, and then gives it
Speaker 2: all up to the cops. I mean, in this situation,
Speaker 2: someone's doing something illegal to her, but like whatever, I'm
Speaker 2: off my soapbox. So she hands over her phone. She
Speaker 2: is not happy about it. We cut straight to the
Speaker 2: Five Boroughs Police Association ball October thirtieth. It's a fancy affair.
Speaker 2: Barba is there. He demands a private conversation. Hank Abraham
Speaker 2: is like, are you fucking serious? We have CEO and
Speaker 2: union leaders here. We have to save the city. And
Speaker 2: Barba's like, okay, yeah, I've never been more serious.
Speaker 3: Like shut up.
Speaker 2: Hank's like I'll go with and Barbara goes you stay
Speaker 2: right here. So Yolina is like what's up, and Barbara
Speaker 2: again is like, just Alex, this is not a group project.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go.
Speaker 2: And so then Alex is such a little creep and
Speaker 2: he kisses Yelina with his eyes wide open, staring at Barba.
Speaker 2: It gives her that gross No, his eyes are open
Speaker 2: looking at him. It's really gross. And then Yolina looks
Speaker 2: fucking nervous, nervous, worried. So then Alex is like, whatever
Speaker 2: you have to show me, it won't alter anything besides
Speaker 2: our friendship. And they're outside in the darkness of night,
Speaker 2: and he asks Alice, Alex, and now now it's Alice,
Speaker 2: So now we're gonna call him Alice. Down the looking glass,
Speaker 2: he asks if he recognizes these women stripper, porn star,
Speaker 2: you help them get on the state payroll, and Alex says, yep,
Speaker 2: our office helps a lot of people. And Barbara pushes,
Speaker 2: I guess it's trickier when they're too young, and then
Speaker 2: shows him a picture of the sophomore student in a
Speaker 2: bikini top and he's like, oh, come on, she friended
Speaker 2: the campaign on Facebook and wanted to volunteer. And it's like,
Speaker 2: even if that's true, you shouldn't know about that, Like
Speaker 2: why are you dealing with the Facebook. You've obviously, like
Speaker 2: you know, hired interns to do that. So Barba says,
Speaker 2: you guys exchange direct messages, and he responds that he's
Speaker 2: done that with hundreds of other constituents. And then Barba ciel,
Speaker 2: she's not a constituent. She's fifteen, Alex, she's not voting.
Speaker 3: He says he had no way of knowing that.
Speaker 2: I just went to a high school graduation, and I
Speaker 2: could tell you it's obvious. Yeah, it's really obvious when
Speaker 2: these people are children. And this guy just like cannot
Speaker 2: tell that he is done for this is very scanned
Speaker 2: of all you are done. Barbara goes really no way
Speaker 2: to know that even after the picture she sent, you
Speaker 2: asked her for the pictures, by the way, and they're sexy,
Speaker 2: and you solicited and exchanged these photos with a fifteen
Speaker 2: year old girl.
Speaker 3: You are in possession of child.
Speaker 2: Poor nagriafe dude, and Munios only asks where did you
Speaker 2: get those? And it's like if you're in a it's
Speaker 2: again scannaval. It's him going, oh, I would usually have
Speaker 2: deleted those things from my phone, and it's like no,
Speaker 2: the normal response is I would never that ain't me,
Speaker 2: Like fucking idiot. So then he guesses, he goes Eddie,
Speaker 2: and Barbara scoffs, Eddie, your bag man, you used for
Speaker 2: everyone except the child because you knew that would upset him.
Speaker 2: Eddie truly is a hero of this, Like he didn't
Speaker 2: want to deliver to a you know, for pedophilia reasons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alex calls him a son of a bitch.
Speaker 2: You're using Eddie to swift boat me taking advantage of him.
Speaker 2: Barbara laughs like, oh yeah, I'm the one taking advantage.
Speaker 2: Then he flips on Eddie fast like I didn't ask
Speaker 2: him to do this. Maybe he thought he was looking
Speaker 2: out for me. Barbara says, yep, m hmm, okay, here
Speaker 2: we are, Alejandro. I have to turn these over to
Speaker 2: the special prosecutor, so maybe suspend your campaign and it
Speaker 2: might go easier for you. Alex says, damn, they got
Speaker 2: my oldest friend to be a hatchetman.
Speaker 3: How much are they paying you to take me down?
Speaker 3: He asks?
Speaker 2: Barbara's like, there is no Vandetta here for you. He
Speaker 2: cuts him off six days before the election. Barbara reminds
Speaker 2: him that he risks everything to give him a fair warning,
Speaker 2: and you fucking know it. He responds, this is what
Speaker 2: I know, Rafa. Ever since you got that Ivy League scholarship,
Speaker 2: you've been hooked on their teat.
Speaker 3: I don't like that word. He says.
Speaker 2: You think you're one of them because you go on
Speaker 2: their ski vacations and yachts. The man snaps his fingers
Speaker 2: and then goes and you jump up, and Barbara responds,
Speaker 2: it's not about me.
Speaker 3: And you damn well know it. And he's like, you
Speaker 3: know what Yolina thinks.
Speaker 2: She thinks that you've always been jealous of me because
Speaker 2: you can't stand to see another Cubano get ahead, because
Speaker 2: you think there's a room for only one of us
Speaker 2: at the top.
Speaker 3: And if I go down, that leaves you. Let me
Speaker 3: tell you something.
Speaker 2: You take me down, the people will hold it against
Speaker 2: you and you won't be able to show your face
Speaker 2: in the barrio.
Speaker 3: Your political future will be over. Are you threatening me, Alex?
Speaker 2: I'm looking out for you, raffi, And just like the
Speaker 2: old days, he grabs and squeezes his shoulder and walks away,
Speaker 2: and it fades to black, and now we're back at
Speaker 2: daytime and it's a press frenzy insanity in front of
Speaker 2: the Foundation, so we hear no comment, no commenting, But
Speaker 2: then he continues to talk because he can't stop himself
Speaker 2: because he's scannable. New Yorkers are smart, they know the
Speaker 2: powers that be or terrified of me becoming mayor. Hank
Speaker 2: Can Yelina stand on either side of him as he
Speaker 2: addresses the press. A reporter straight up is like, is
Speaker 2: it true that you were sexteen to fifteen year old
Speaker 2: Hank shuts that down, no questions. He blames Park Avenue
Speaker 2: and real estate moguls and white collar criminals and powers
Speaker 2: that benefit from the status quo, and they know that
Speaker 2: I'm going to fight, but I'm going to fight for
Speaker 2: the working people. And then another reporter is like, hey, Elena,
Speaker 2: are you standing by your man? And Munio's just rambles
Speaker 2: on and doesn't let Yelena answer. He continues, We've come
Speaker 2: too far to allow them to get away with this.
Speaker 2: Another reporter pushes, what about the explicit photos you sent?
Speaker 3: Alex is so.
Speaker 2: Frustrated, he just wants to keep talking in platitudes. He
Speaker 2: says that he was set up by rich people that
Speaker 2: used the corrupt NYPD to do it. We pull back,
Speaker 2: and this interview is on a TV screen and it
Speaker 2: keeps pulling back, and oh my god, where are we?
Speaker 3: Who's watching? What's up?
Speaker 2: We're in a bar and then he brings up IAB
Speaker 2: investigations and then names Barba by name and says, you know,
Speaker 2: my old friend has proven to be the lap dog
Speaker 2: of the city's aristocracy. Barba, Benson and Tomorrows sit around
Speaker 2: the bar under a hanging American flag, so we know
Speaker 2: they're at a bar, Benson asked the bartender to mute it.
Speaker 2: It also looks like Benson and Tomorrow are just drinking water.
Speaker 3: Did you notice that?
Speaker 2: No, it's truly, because then I was like, if it
Speaker 2: was VODK or something, I thought there would be ice.
Speaker 2: It is truly glasses of water and the condensation looks
Speaker 2: like water to me.
Speaker 3: Maybe they're on the job. I don't know. Oh, you're right,
Speaker 3: you're right, you're right, you're right, you're.
Speaker 2: Right, and they're like, it's really funny. He still thinks
Speaker 2: he has a shot, and Barbara calls him a brawler
Speaker 2: and says he gave him a chance to do this quietly,
Speaker 2: but he refused.
Speaker 3: So then Amara was like, well, you know what I will.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go quietly into the wind, baby, and he
Speaker 2: says good night and leaves. Benson SIPs her water, but
Speaker 2: Barbara then says, I mean, don't count him out. When
Speaker 2: I was seven, my mom said stick with Alex. He's
Speaker 2: going to be mayor of New York someday. She never
Speaker 2: said that about me. Tears, Oh, baby, bar Ba. Benson
Speaker 2: asked if he's okay, and he says it's politics. No
Speaker 2: danger of a traffic jam on the high road. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he was your friend, and he adds so was Yally,
Speaker 2: she thinks this was personal and not professional. Benson reminds
Speaker 2: him that he had a job to do and he
Speaker 2: did it and that's all it was.
Speaker 3: He asks, was it?
Speaker 2: He is sipping on whiskey, He is not on the job,
Speaker 2: and he is depressed.
Speaker 3: He has clocked out for the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and unfortunately this episode is not done. I feel like,
Speaker 2: please be over, but it's gonna keep going. So the
Speaker 2: elevator doors open and Barbara marches out and there is
Speaker 2: Leslie Odom Junior again, and he wants a word with Barbara.
Speaker 2: He's like, your office is ruining the reputation of a
Speaker 2: man who can turn this city around. And he's spoken
Speaker 2: like a true man of God, reputation over everything, child porn,
Speaker 2: no big deal, really wearing that collar. Well, so then
Speaker 2: Barbara has no patience and gets in his face and
Speaker 2: lets him know that he is no longer involved in
Speaker 2: this case. But trust me when I say that this
Speaker 2: was not an easy decision and he was my old friend.
Speaker 3: And the Reverend's like, who cares. I don't care about that.
Speaker 2: I care about the city's poor being ignored, and he's like,
Speaker 2: you chose to sacrifice all that because of a Zipper
Speaker 2: pripe problem. I just love this scene. I honestly this
Speaker 2: is Chef's kiss. He says, I'm sorry, it's out of
Speaker 2: my hands now and walks off. But the episode still
Speaker 2: not over. So we're at a raiment court on Halloween Thursday,
Speaker 2: October thirty first, and it seems like the lawyer is
Speaker 2: perfect for Halloween, very spooky vibes.
Speaker 3: Alex's lawyer has a white, long haired ponytail. I love it.
Speaker 2: The lawyer is saying, release this man. This is all
Speaker 2: politically motivated, and Yalina is like nodding in the stands,
Speaker 2: and the judge is like, shut up, save the speeches.
Speaker 2: Baylist said at ten thousand dollars, moving on, Gavel, Gavel,
Speaker 2: and then it turns to Barbara and Benson, who are
Speaker 2: also watching in the stands, nodding, And now it's the
Speaker 2: final end. I feel like this episode had four endings,
Speaker 2: like it could have kept ending.
Speaker 1: I'm really surprised that it didn't end. After Barbara going
Speaker 1: was it like it was? It was about work, not personal,
Speaker 1: and he goes, was it that's to me?
Speaker 3: Where it would have ended. Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: There was like four endings. This is kind of like
Speaker 3: a beef.
Speaker 2: Beef had like four episodes that could have been the finale,
Speaker 2: but kept on trucking, giving us more great episode.
Speaker 3: I'm into it. I'm into it.
Speaker 1: I have a question, though, what was going on with
Speaker 1: Eddie and Lindsey though, the thing that kicked this whole
Speaker 1: thing off. Why was their scissors, Why was their physical
Speaker 1: physical shit going on? Why were they fighting like that?
Speaker 1: He just came there to drop off money.
Speaker 2: Well, I bet she didn't want to be quiet or
Speaker 2: she like started mouthing off or something or threatening.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you're right.
Speaker 1: Like it seemed like he would have Eddie, here's your money,
Speaker 1: bitch bye, and instead it was like this huge thing
Speaker 1: and then the cops coming.
Speaker 4: Her.
Speaker 1: First thing to jump to is he tried to rape
Speaker 1: me instead of he tried to sab me like whatever.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and Eddie does seem like an upstanding gentleman,
Speaker 2: like I don't know why he would, but but I mean,
Speaker 2: she was punched in the face, she was bleeding from
Speaker 2: her no.
Speaker 1: And he said she was trying to cut his balls off.
Speaker 1: So that's why I was like, what is it? Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe he said this is all the last you're getting
Speaker 1: or something like that, and she went fucking ham who knows,
Speaker 1: But it's just I was wondering about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think the same as Lindsay two grand Are
Speaker 2: you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want twenty. I think that's so.
Speaker 1: She physically went after him with a pair of scizzard
Speaker 1: and said, hey, volunteer for the campaign. I'm gonna stab
Speaker 1: you if you don't get me more money.
Speaker 3: I love her. Lindsay is a vibe.
Speaker 1: Okay, say where you are and I'll give you guys
Speaker 1: all the real life political tea.
Speaker 3: When we come back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and this is just like an episode
Speaker 1: of Hysteria where we're talking about politics. This is obviously
Speaker 1: very clearly based on the Anthony Wiener sexting scandal. They
Speaker 1: make it incredibly incredibly similar, so that you cannot think
Speaker 1: it's about anything else.
Speaker 3: Well, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Really excited because I know nothing. I only know just
Speaker 2: like the headlines, but not the articles, you know, like,
Speaker 2: I don't actually know anything about this, and I know
Speaker 2: you're a New York crime expert, so I'm very excited.
Speaker 3: I also have to say.
Speaker 2: This is very hard for me because I do smell
Speaker 2: that my mom is baking a cake and it smells delicious.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, well we'll get through this quickly.
Speaker 1: Souk and Co put your finger in the icing or whatever.
Speaker 1: So no, you know, Russian desserts do not have icing.
Speaker 1: These are peasant cakes. What kind of cake will it be?
Speaker 3: Apple cake?
Speaker 1: It's apple Jared would love that because he doesn't like cake,
Speaker 1: but he does love apple pie, and I bet that
Speaker 1: would be a good crossroads for him. Please ask your
Speaker 1: mom if she could just scoot a little piece of
Speaker 1: that into the mail for Jared.
Speaker 3: He would love that. So I like this too because.
Speaker 1: Even though I lived in New York at the time
Speaker 1: and I was here for all of this, this really was.
Speaker 3: Like such a like punchline thing.
Speaker 1: It was like how we never really knew about Monica
Speaker 1: Lewinsky because we just were like, oh, the stain on
Speaker 1: the dress, punchline, like it wasn't we didn't really know
Speaker 1: the full story.
Speaker 3: But also, his last name is Wiener.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's too silly, It's too fucking silly.
Speaker 1: So Anthony Wiener was a Democratic congressman for New York's
Speaker 1: ninth congressional district, which is entirely in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: It's like South Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: And he was elected in nineteen ninety eight, and he
Speaker 1: was reelected every two years for six elections up through
Speaker 1: twenty ten.
Speaker 3: He was re elected in twenty ten.
Speaker 1: Then in July of twenty ten, he had kind of
Speaker 1: a viral moment where he made a speech on the
Speaker 1: House floor about healthcare for nine to eleven emergency responders,
Speaker 1: and that kind of, like like I said, went viral
Speaker 1: and got this guy like kickstarted into politics. Like now
Speaker 1: people are starting to talk about Anthony Wiener more like.
Speaker 3: Oh, who's this guy?
Speaker 1: Like young, kind of handsome, Like what's this guy's deal?
Speaker 1: So now that was in twenty ten. Fast forward a
Speaker 1: little less than a year to May of twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: and a photo of a bulging crow in underwear appears
Speaker 1: briefly on Wiener's Twitter account. Okay, so it goes up
Speaker 1: on his Twitter account and then whoopsie's deleted. But nothing
Speaker 1: is deleted on the internet. Everybody, you know screenshots or
Speaker 1: it's say every time.
Speaker 2: Sorry to go backwards a little bit, Kara, you said
Speaker 2: he was a hot man.
Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, handsome, I said, like he at
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying hot. Huma's very beautiful. She sees something
Speaker 1: in him back in the day. I saw something kind
Speaker 1: of cute about him. Not in these current photos. Oh,
Speaker 1: let me look at their wedding photo. Yep, no, not
Speaker 1: not hitting it for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, h but I could see how.
Speaker 2: But I do love old people on Twitter, just like
Speaker 2: accidentally putting bold shots on their feet. Yeah, that is
Speaker 2: pretty comical to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Twenty eleven, he puts a bulging crotch photo on his
Speaker 1: Twitter account. It goes away. The first person to cover
Speaker 1: this is obviously Andrew Breitbart of the bright Bart blog
Speaker 1: or whatever. He's a conservative blogger. A few days later,
Speaker 1: it's May thirtieth, Wiener tells people, my account got hacked. Look,
Speaker 1: and he says, quote, look, this is a prank and
Speaker 1: not a terribly creative one end quote. So it's been
Speaker 1: three days. He's taken it in stride. He's continuing to
Speaker 1: deny posting the pick, but he's elusive about whether the
Speaker 1: photo is of him.
Speaker 3: He's not answering about whether is that you?
Speaker 1: On June sixth, so now we're about ten days out
Speaker 1: from the scandal, he does a one to eighty and
Speaker 1: he confesses in tears to engaging inappropriately with women online.
Speaker 1: He admits the photo is of him and that he
Speaker 1: lied about the Twitter hack, but he says he will
Speaker 1: not resign as from Congress and that his wife, Huma Abidon,
Speaker 1: and he are staying together. Huma abidin we've spoken about
Speaker 1: her on this podcast before. She is was the deputy
Speaker 1: chief of staff to Hillary Clinton when Hillary Clinton was
Speaker 1: US sec of State from nine to twenty thirteen, and
Speaker 1: then she was the vice chair of Hillary Clinton's presidential
Speaker 1: campaign up through twenty sixteen. She is Hillary Clinton's like
Speaker 1: one of her right hand People like like they are tight,
Speaker 1: tight tight.
Speaker 2: So did people make a lot of jokes about how
Speaker 2: they're both women, that men are that their husband Like
Speaker 2: that was a lot of humor, right, yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: a lot of like standbyer man humor with these two.
Speaker 2: So days after this confession, it becomes public that Wiener
Speaker 2: and his wife are expecting their first child. Okay, now
Speaker 2: this shit starts to unravel very fast. Less than a
Speaker 2: week from the confession, Wiener says he will seek treatment
Speaker 2: quote to focus on becoming a better husband and a
Speaker 2: healthier person end quote. The specific treatment is very vague.
Speaker 2: Then June twelfth, TMZ publishes photos of Wiener semi nude
Speaker 2: that he took of himself in a locker room.
Speaker 3: Who knows who he sent those two?
Speaker 1: And then June sixteenth, Wiener announces his resignation from Congress
Speaker 1: and apologizes, and he apologizes for quote the personal mistakes
Speaker 1: I have made and for the embarrassment I have caused.
Speaker 1: So from the original bulge to the resignation, it's three weeks.
Speaker 1: This baby is wrapped and done.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I think that's what's so confusing about this is like,
Speaker 1: there are two scandals here. So that's the initial scandal
Speaker 1: is just the bulge, embarrassing his wife, lying about it
Speaker 1: being a hack, then eventually saying that it is okay,
Speaker 1: December of that year, they have their baby. Now, it's
Speaker 1: that's December of twenty eleven. In July of twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: he tells People magazine, I've got a good life. I
Speaker 1: have no plans to run for office again.
Speaker 3: Then a year.
Speaker 1: Later, May of twenty thirteen, of course, he announces he's
Speaker 1: running for mayor of New York City because these mediocre
Speaker 1: white men just like can't help themselves, like you basically
Speaker 1: left politics and disgrace, but you're still like I could
Speaker 1: still be great, people could still love me.
Speaker 3: Like and I don't know, you.
Speaker 1: Gotta give it up for like the delusion, you know,
Speaker 1: drag delusion. So immediately after he announces his mayoral run,
Speaker 1: a gossip site releases sex.
Speaker 3: Of him and a woman on the internet. And I
Speaker 3: looked up some of these sects.
Speaker 1: They're pretty fucking boring, Honestly, they're like, oh, I woke
Speaker 1: up kind of hard this or I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: you hard, and I woke up this morning feeling very
Speaker 1: eager and blah blah blah, like it's nothing that great.
Speaker 1: And then more pictures and sexting are by allegedly by Wiener,
Speaker 1: are released by the website The.
Speaker 3: Dirty, and these were all all.
Speaker 1: These messages were sent using the alias Carlos Danger, So
Speaker 1: Enrique Trouble equals Carlos Danger. They are from the same family.
Speaker 1: And I think that's when people went. When I heard that,
Speaker 1: I went absolutely insane, Like I remember being like this
Speaker 1: could not get funnier, like Carlos Danger, Like who does
Speaker 1: this guy think he is? So he admits to sexting
Speaker 1: at least three women, but he says that this all
Speaker 1: happened since his resignation from Congress, and he said there
Speaker 1: had probably been about six to ten women involved total,
Speaker 1: not quote unquote dozens and dozens.
Speaker 3: So I'm not that bad.
Speaker 1: I've only been sexting with six to ten women outside
Speaker 1: of my marriage, not dozens and dozens, is what he's saying.
Speaker 1: His campaign manager, Danny Keatam, was like a bye girl
Speaker 1: and quit the weekend after he admitted everything.
Speaker 3: Huma stands by him.
Speaker 1: He says he will not drop out of the mayoral race,
Speaker 1: even though The New York Times reads him for filth.
Speaker 1: There's an op ed piece about how he has how
Speaker 1: he has problems with the truth. And in September at
Speaker 1: the Mayle race, he finishes fifth place in the race,
Speaker 1: which is probably what's going to happen to Alex Munos
Speaker 1: in this fake race that we'll never see. His campaign
Speaker 1: basically imploded after all the sex stuff, and how did
Speaker 1: he think that it wouldn't It's like the hubris of
Speaker 1: Jen Shaw to go on Utah, to go on Salt
Speaker 1: Lake knowing that you are a criminal, or like you
Speaker 1: know your husband's doing shady shit, Erica Jane, why are
Speaker 1: you puting a microscope on you guys by going on
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3: This is the same with Anthony Weener.
Speaker 1: You know this shit's out there, and you fucking can't
Speaker 1: stop yourself because you just have to be in the limelight.
Speaker 1: So there's a twenty sixteen documentary called Wiener, which is
Speaker 1: so funny, that covers his resignation from Congress and his
Speaker 1: disastrous twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: Run for mayor.
Speaker 1: So now, truthfully, there's three scandals here. Here's the third one.
Speaker 1: We fast forward to September of twenty sixteen. Now it's
Speaker 1: three years after this sexting scandal, and a Daily Mail
Speaker 1: article comes out claiming that Weiener had been sexting with
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old girl and the FBI is investigating it.
Speaker 1: So his laptop, So this is the October surprise because
Speaker 1: this all comes out right before the Trump Clinton election. Okay,
Speaker 1: all of this comes out. He's connected to Huma, whom
Speaker 1: was collected connected to Hillary Trump fans are looking for
Speaker 1: any reason to get on Hillary her emails, all this shit.
Speaker 1: Anthony Wiener's laptop was seized and emails related to the
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton campaign email controversy were found on it, causing
Speaker 1: an additional controversy late in the presidential election. And this
Speaker 1: is also, if you'll remember, we talked about this when
Speaker 1: we did the Pizzagate episode. This is around the time
Speaker 1: where Super Psycho QAnon people thought that the laptop had
Speaker 1: proof that Hillary and Huma Huma were like eating babies
Speaker 1: to get their adrenaline or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 2: Like, so we covered this and like, you know, you
Speaker 2: covered it, but Pizzagate is already a thing. But in
Speaker 2: Jersey Housewives, they keep calling the pizza oven debacle between
Speaker 2: Gorg and Louis the Pizzagate. Like Joe Gorg is like, ah,
Speaker 2: more with pizzagate, and I'm like, no, no, it's already a thing, sir.
Speaker 3: You can just start.
Speaker 1: Calling take pizzagate to me about you and your sketchy
Speaker 1: brother in law getting into a pizza oven business together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very different. So whatever.
Speaker 1: At this point, it's like, yes, I think he did
Speaker 1: something wrong. Why didn't this come out in twenty fifteen?
Speaker 1: Why didn't it come out in twenty fourteen? You know,
Speaker 1: this comes out weeks before the election. So as the
Speaker 1: FBI starts to investigate, they're looking at they find these
Speaker 1: emails from the Hillary thing, and that leads James Comy
Speaker 1: to reopen that investigation very late into the presidential election,
Speaker 1: and Clinton says it is one of the reasons she lost.
Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately nothing was found. Hillary's been cleared of
Speaker 1: all this email bullshit. But Comy opened it back up
Speaker 1: right before, so that did all happen he was investigating.
Speaker 2: It's like devastating, devastating another man's dumb dick caused us
Speaker 2: fucking for all of this.
Speaker 3: It's devastating, And.
Speaker 1: Like, do you wonder if Huma just like apologized to
Speaker 1: Hillary so much? It was like, I'm sorry I married
Speaker 1: such a dumbass, but you probably know what it's like.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wonder what their private convos were like. But also
Speaker 1: the email, it's just like.
Speaker 2: With a what's it's like that one thing was enough,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, it's devastating, it's really hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But on May nineteenth of twenty seventeen, Wiener pled guilty
Speaker 1: to one count of transferring obscene material to a minor,
Speaker 1: and that is when Huma finally files for divorce. Though
Speaker 1: I don't think that they are still yet officially divorced.
Speaker 2: No, they I recently saw news that they're back together
Speaker 2: and like hanging out, and that's what I saw people
Speaker 2: online being like, this isn't just like cheating, this is
Speaker 2: a crime, Like your dude was soliciting shit from a
Speaker 2: fifteen year old, Like how do you forgive that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like their divorce was initially in public proceedings.
Speaker 1: They took it private to keep their save their son
Speaker 1: from embarrassment. So I know that they work on co
Speaker 1: parenting together, is what I've read about them. But listen,
Speaker 1: September of twenty seventeen, he sentenced to twenty one months
Speaker 1: in federal prison. I had no idea that that happened.
Speaker 1: I had no idea Anthony Wiener went to jail. He
Speaker 1: served a sentence until February seventeenth of twenty nineteen, so
Speaker 1: I think he did like seventeen months out of the
Speaker 1: twenty one months in it says Federal Medical Center in
Speaker 1: a or Massachusetts. I don't know if he got some
Speaker 1: kind of like cushy psychiatric hole deal where he needs
Speaker 1: to get looked at for narcissistic personality disorder or something.
Speaker 1: But I had no idea. Anthony Wiener went to jail,
Speaker 1: got out in twenty nineteen. Was ordered to register as
Speaker 1: a sex offender in April of twenty nineteen, So he's
Speaker 1: a registered sex offender. And now, if you're wondering where
Speaker 1: you can catch Wiener these days, he is on the
Speaker 1: WABC radio show, which, by the way, WABC is an
Speaker 1: AM radio station that is conservative in the New York
Speaker 1: and Connecticut area that my father forced me to listen
Speaker 1: to for my entire childhood.
Speaker 3: So I'm very familiar. Rush Limbaugh was on there.
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with a lot of the people that
Speaker 1: were on there, including So he's not a Democrat anymore. No,
Speaker 1: he is, including Curtis Sleewah, who is a right wing person.
Speaker 1: They have a radio show together called The Left Versus
Speaker 1: the Right, where it's a little odd couple thing ha
Speaker 1: ha ha. But like the show, the radio station is
Speaker 1: so crazy right, like Trump's people all have channels on
Speaker 1: that or shows on that channel.
Speaker 3: So Wiener apparently just kind.
Speaker 1: Of goes along with a lot of what Curtis says,
Speaker 1: and then I'll be like throw in like one little
Speaker 1: lefty thing here and there.
Speaker 3: But that's what he's doing now.
Speaker 1: He wants everybody back in his corner listening to him
Speaker 1: on WABC. I was thinking maybe he went full right wing,
Speaker 1: the way we've seen so many canceled men go. But
Speaker 1: I think he's just actually courting the right wing, because
Speaker 1: you know, the right wing loves a canceled man.
Speaker 2: Yeah that so that So this is what this is what?
Speaker 2: I oh, it's the post. But it was April of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Wiener was out with whom at an event?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she probably shouldn't be going to events, but I
Speaker 1: mean the New York Posts had a fucking field day
Speaker 1: with this, like like covers that say pop goes the Wiener,
Speaker 1: like lots of Wiener stuff. So yeah, that's the whole story,
Speaker 1: and they borrowed from it pretty but in like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, the Wiener October surprise was like on a woman,
Speaker 1: and in this case, it was like an October surprise
Speaker 1: for a.
Speaker 3: Guilty politician, so you know, s for you doing their
Speaker 3: own thing.
Speaker 2: But Huma got to date Bradley Cooper, Like why would
Speaker 2: they do this?
Speaker 1: We have a really, really awesome guest for this episode,
Speaker 1: So stay glued to your driver's seat or wherever the
Speaker 1: hell you're listening to this podcast. Our guest today is
Speaker 1: not only a talented actor, but also the first guest
Speaker 1: on our show to be interview whild driving. He's on
Speaker 1: the move, He's going places. He's best known for his
Speaker 1: recurring roles on shows like Oz, Band of Brothers, and Arrow.
Speaker 1: He was also in movies like The Thin Red Line
Speaker 1: and John of the Planet of the Apes, but you
Speaker 1: know him today as the loyal knucklehead Eddie Garcia. Guys,
Speaker 1: please enjoy our interview with the very talented Kirk Oscevedo.
Speaker 2: Yay, Kirk, Like I said, huge, I've been waiting for
Speaker 2: this since Oz. I'm so excited that you're ge and
Speaker 2: so he stalked you a little on Instagram. And we
Speaker 2: love candy corn too, the best.
Speaker 3: You're in a safe space.
Speaker 2: I like the pumpkins the most, but we both love
Speaker 2: candy Corn and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: It's my seasonal candy top.
Speaker 5: I mean, especially when they come out with like the
Speaker 5: Dark Ones, with the Fall October Fest whatever one, the
Speaker 5: oh yeahs Delicious.
Speaker 3: The autumnal mix. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, Kirk, wait, where are you driving? I know I'm late,
Speaker 1: but like, what what's going on?
Speaker 5: I I am driving to a poker tournament. So that's
Speaker 5: and yeah, that's where I'm going.
Speaker 3: Are you in the New York area or the LA area?
Speaker 3: Where are you?
Speaker 5: Oh? Los Angeles?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay. I was like, don't drive in New
Speaker 3: York man.
Speaker 2: Oh god, wait is this just a regular thing for you.
Speaker 3: That's poker tournaments.
Speaker 5: You know. So when I'm not working, I play poker tournaments.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty pretty good at poker tournaments. Okay, cash at
Speaker 5: cash first place in the last five tournaments in four weeks.
Speaker 5: So I'm on a I'm on a heater.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you count cards? I don't even know if
Speaker 3: that applies to poker.
Speaker 5: No. No, that's it's the only place. It's the only
Speaker 5: casino game that's really seventy percent skill. And then luck.
Speaker 5: All casino games are luck. Poker poker is so god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I play Roulette. And that's like dumb luck.
Speaker 1: And that's why I play it because I have no skill.
Speaker 5: Oh god, it's like, you know, thirty seven to one
Speaker 5: because you got to count zero and double zero.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but it's fun. It's fun.
Speaker 2: I mean overall on your I mean, Instagram sometimes is
Speaker 2: a lie. But your life seems great. You're out working out,
Speaker 2: you're eating pizza, in the car. You love your wife,
Speaker 2: you have a beautiful cat, you have kids.
Speaker 5: Oh thank you.
Speaker 3: You're kind of crushing it.
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, everybody's got problems, right, Like nothing's perfect,
Speaker 5: you're right, like on Instagram, on Twitter, social media in general,
Speaker 5: Like people embellish a lot. I don't use filters like
Speaker 5: I just don't. Like if I do a TV show,
Speaker 5: I never wear makeup. All they do is powder me.
Speaker 5: You know. I don't shine. I do my own hair.
Speaker 5: I never get my hair cut in there. I go
Speaker 5: to my own barber, you know. But yeah, so I
Speaker 5: try not to embellish as much as most people do.
Speaker 5: I'll put it that way. Like we all we all embellish, right,
Speaker 5: but not with stuff like I love my wife. Like
Speaker 5: if I didn't love my wife, I'm not posting anything
Speaker 5: about my wife, right, I'm getting a divorced. But that's
Speaker 5: that's not the case, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 5: I'm very much like fam I'm a homebody. So like
Speaker 5: my wife was the one that was like play poker,
Speaker 5: get out of the house literally, So I was like,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 2: And your cat is very beautiful in terms of every
Speaker 2: like it is a gorgeous cat.
Speaker 5: Can I curse in here, of course. Yeah, I love
Speaker 5: that little fucking thing so much. No, no, no, I you
Speaker 5: know I thought the other like a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 5: This is true, and like it brings it literally brings
Speaker 5: me to tears. I'm like, she's around three, and I'm like, God,
Speaker 5: I hope she lives to like sixteen or seventeen, because,
Speaker 5: like I I literally could break down right now. Like,
Speaker 5: I love that fucking thing so much. It's just I've
Speaker 5: never loved an animal so much as I love nothing.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, our listeners are gonna go wild for this
Speaker 1: cat content.
Speaker 3: They love the cat.
Speaker 5: I never thought I was a cat person. We got
Speaker 5: the cat during the beginning of the pandemic, right, or
Speaker 5: like we're bored, let's get a cat. What are the
Speaker 5: worst thing to get a cat for? Right? But wow,
Speaker 5: we love this little thing.
Speaker 3: I love that. I'm glad you're getting time off. Are
Speaker 3: you gonna run anymore? Marathon? Was your marathon time really impressive? Uh?
Speaker 3: Three hours? That's like really cool?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Three hours eight seconds is actually really depressing because if
Speaker 5: you would have told me I trained for two fifty,
Speaker 5: but I got hurt at miles sixteen. I tore attendant
Speaker 5: in my ankle. The t be alice, and so I
Speaker 5: just thought, okay, my I'm never gonna three hours half
Speaker 5: a mile out. I'm like, oh, this is gonna be close.
Speaker 5: And if you'd have told me nine fucking seconds to
Speaker 5: break three fucking hours, nine fucking listen, Okay. The best
Speaker 5: thing ever doing was lay six. The worst experience ever
Speaker 5: was not breaking three hours at New York City. MENTA,
Speaker 5: I'll never get that back. I'll never get that that
Speaker 5: shape back, that training back, that everything back, Like.
Speaker 1: It seems so impressive from a runner, but you would
Speaker 1: never do it again.
Speaker 5: So I injured my back really bad doing squats, and
Speaker 5: so I can't run the same. I just can't run
Speaker 5: the same. I can't run as fast because something clicks out.
Speaker 5: So you know, I'm fine. My back to her like
Speaker 5: I walk and fine and fine, but just with the
Speaker 5: running fast, it just my my spine is just just
Speaker 5: can't take it. I could run slow. Who wants to
Speaker 5: run slow? It's like, you know, so, have you.
Speaker 2: Ever been injured on a set you play a lot of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, an arrow arrow? I broke my big toe in
Speaker 5: three different places and tore three different ligaments, and I
Speaker 5: was in a boot for three months and I wasn't
Speaker 5: normal for nine months. That was the worst injury. That
Speaker 5: was bad because it still hurts, like when it rains.
Speaker 5: And then one of his arrows, like the back part,
Speaker 5: you know where the feathers are almost poked my eyeball out.
Speaker 5: I had blood and scrape right here at iseld like
Speaker 5: it was bleeding. I thought I lost marble. I was like,
Speaker 5: so yeah, so doing stunts, I'm like, fuck you and
Speaker 5: your stunts. And I'm gonna tell you what everyone thinks, like, oh,
Speaker 5: you're manly, you're tough if you do stunts, Like look
Speaker 5: at Tom Cruise. I guess what everybody wants to say,
Speaker 5: look at Tom Cruise. I'm like, dumb motherfuckers. Tom Cruise
Speaker 5: gets fifty million if production shuts down because he gets hurt.
Speaker 5: The shut down, kirk Assvado gets hurt. You know what happens.
Speaker 5: They replace my porttery gnass with a white man. So
Speaker 5: fuck you, fuck you. I get hurt. I get hurt.
Speaker 5: I don't work, you know what I mean? I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And also it's not stunts are different, right, So I box,
Speaker 5: like for more than half my life, right, two thirds
Speaker 5: of my life. I box throwing punches is not the
Speaker 5: same on a film set, so you have to time
Speaker 5: it for the camera to the camera to pick up.
Speaker 5: So it's mostly wide punches and you normally get hurt
Speaker 5: doing that. Yeah, it's not the same as really hitting someone,
Speaker 5: really hitting someone. The energy comes back to you, you know,
Speaker 5: not that you really want to hit I don't you know.
Speaker 5: I could known that, but I'm saying, yeah, you tend,
Speaker 5: you tend to get hurt more with stunts because you're
Speaker 5: pulling everything, you know what I mean? Right, So, yes,
Speaker 5: I've been hurt a lot.
Speaker 2: So you had, you know, several scenes with Marishka. Everyone
Speaker 2: we ever talked to you is obsessed with her, loves her.
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy her just the way everyone else did.
Speaker 5: Oh, she's she's great. She's absolutely great. She's a sweetheart.
Speaker 5: I wish I had more scenes with her. But the
Speaker 5: scene I had, she's like amazing. She's fun. She's like
Speaker 5: sayings likes dancing. It's the same thing. You know, work serious,
Speaker 5: but then you know, have fun. It can't be you know,
Speaker 5: like not the segue. But people talk about Oz and
Speaker 5: they're like, hey, was it like hot? Was it intense? No?
Speaker 5: We cracked jokes twenty four seven because we had to
Speaker 5: because it was so heavy, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 5: what's happening to you today, Kirk? I'm like, ah, I
Speaker 5: gotta be naked in the shower today and blah blah blah,
Speaker 5: and the water's really cold. I'm just letting you know. Water.
Speaker 5: So we would crack jokes all the time, like some
Speaker 5: guys getting like, you know, like taking advantage of it.
Speaker 5: We would have to crack jokes, you know. And it's
Speaker 5: the same thing with Mariska, Like it's so heavy the material.
Speaker 5: You can't carry that every episode, every scene for fucking
Speaker 5: twenty years, Like you wouldn't be human, it'd be you know,
Speaker 5: you have.
Speaker 2: That fun And she's how was Thin Red Line? Was
Speaker 2: that a fun set? Because that's another heavy thing and
Speaker 2: band of brothers you do a lot of intense stuff.
Speaker 5: Thin Relne was I think my first film, and that
Speaker 5: was so much fun. The reason why I was so
Speaker 5: much fun, Oh god, I can't even tell you these
Speaker 5: stories that these stories would have to be just put
Speaker 5: it this way. So you're playing basketball with like George
Speaker 5: Clooney Woody House and every night when they were on
Speaker 5: when they were there filming their stuff. I was there
Speaker 5: for six months, and you know, Jim Covisil and the
Speaker 5: fist fights that would happen. My couldn't miss the fist
Speaker 5: fights that would happen. I can't say between basketball. Yes,
Speaker 5: certain people thought they could play basketball and they couldn't.
Speaker 5: Jim Covizil played Division one basketball. I'll just leave that
Speaker 5: out there. So there's a there's listen. I used to
Speaker 5: play basketball all the time, and I'm not. When I
Speaker 5: was younger, I was great defensively, I couldn't shoot the ball.
Speaker 5: I'm small, but I was just the guy that no
Speaker 5: one wanted on him blah blah. And so I played
Speaker 5: with guys that were like in the G League and
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. They looked like Allen Iverson? Did you
Speaker 5: got what I'm saying? So compared to actors who think
Speaker 5: they could play basketball, playing against someone that's Division one
Speaker 5: and Jim Caviezel the only reason why he didn't take
Speaker 5: it further he completely blew out his ACL. That was
Speaker 5: back then before they had reconstructive surgery, so yeah, you
Speaker 5: know it was. And then his wife would play We
Speaker 5: played Division one two and she was elbowing me in
Speaker 5: the ribs Man and I was like this, Jim, is
Speaker 5: that with your wife?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 5: Yeah, very very so. My rooms is still hurting. But
Speaker 5: Bonds stuff, I mean the pranks on set with Sean
Speaker 5: Penn doing pranks and Woody House and epic pranks that
Speaker 5: could have gotten people killed, Like just epic stuff. I'm
Speaker 5: sorry I can't share it because it's just one of
Speaker 5: those things I probably can't share, you know, so, But yes,
Speaker 5: then Red Line was a lot of fun, a lot
Speaker 5: of fun. Terrence Malix the best sounds like Kermit the
Speaker 5: Frog in the best way, like his voice, you know,
Speaker 5: so good, good good ship. Yeah, you know, I am.
Speaker 3: dB talks about your voice. It's really funny.
Speaker 2: IMDb says, like your trademark is your deep raspy.
Speaker 5: Voice, my deep brass, my deep raspy voice. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: it's a funny. I get two things. I get I
Speaker 5: love your voice, or I get are you sick.
Speaker 3: You need tea?
Speaker 5: Now? You know it's funny because I heard the change
Speaker 5: in my voice. So my voice was always deep, but
Speaker 5: it's gotten more raspy as I I have gotten old.
Speaker 5: It wasn't raspy when I was younger at all. And
Speaker 5: that's what I missed because my achilles heel, my greatest strength,
Speaker 5: like is my voice, but my achilles heel is my
Speaker 5: voice too. Because I can't do theater anymore. And that's
Speaker 5: because it won't hold up. I'll lose my voice, no damn. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: and then that's I love. I mean, you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: I've done Shepherd plays and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 5: missed theater. I can't do it. I've been offered, I've
Speaker 5: been offered stuff, and I'm like, I just worry that
Speaker 5: my voice is not going to hold up, especially the
Speaker 5: stuff that I would do, which is very emotional stuff
Speaker 5: and edgy, like big and explosive, and I'm like, there's
Speaker 5: just no way I could give you fifty percent. I'd
Speaker 5: want to do ninety five to one hundred every show,
Speaker 5: so and I couldn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, night after night that for like a long run.
Speaker 3: That's tough. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Even when I was younger, we do it shows a week.
Speaker 5: And I was doing the Shepherd play and Tibo and
Speaker 5: Burnett wrote the music and I had to sing two
Speaker 5: songs and Anofrio was in it, Vincitrio. I couldn't talk
Speaker 5: throughout the whole fucking week I was on voice rest
Speaker 5: every fucking months. Man, Like my life was miserable, like
Speaker 5: it was you were, you're I can't talk. I can't
Speaker 5: talk on the phone. And even back then I had
Speaker 5: a phone. Kids talk on the phone, could talk to
Speaker 5: people like I'm on voice ress, I'm tea and ginger
Speaker 5: and water and water. And it was miserable. I had
Speaker 5: fun on stage, but that's what you're doing it for.
Speaker 5: And then every performance is like, well, take off the
Speaker 5: bat name because it's kids, and I'm like, no, I
Speaker 5: can't take off this show, like meaning take off, like
Speaker 5: give them sixty percent. I can't. My acting teachers are coming.
Speaker 5: I can't. That motherfucker hates coming.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 5: My ex is coming. I got to show her why
Speaker 5: she fucked up. You know, every every every motivation you
Speaker 5: have to use, like I can't be complacent. I'm so competitive.
Speaker 5: I can't be complacent. I just can't. You rob people
Speaker 5: of there seventy five eighty dollars or whatever they paid.
Speaker 5: I can't do it. I can't do it.
Speaker 3: You know so many people, have you ever been starstruck?
Speaker 5: Yes, one time in my life. Felix Trinidad Oscar de
Speaker 5: la Hoya fight back in the day. I used to
Speaker 5: work for HBO. We got free tickets, and I'm sitting
Speaker 5: right behind Leonardo DiCaprio and Tobey maguire and every time
Speaker 5: the rose are so small you have to stand ups
Speaker 5: to people to pass. And there's three CITs, three seats
Speaker 5: to the right of me that are empty, and every
Speaker 5: time somebody would passed, they'd stuck on my shoes. You know.
Speaker 5: I got like, you know, like my proud of shoes,
Speaker 5: you know, my shoe free, and they put this stick
Speaker 5: on my shoes. I'm like, I get up again, and
Speaker 5: I'm no, I'm looking at my shoes. I'm not looking
Speaker 5: to see what's come. I'm making sure no one steps in.
Speaker 5: And then somebody steps on my shoes again, and I
Speaker 5: look at my buddy Raps. I'm like, motherfuckers, keep on
Speaker 5: stepping on my fucking shoes. And this guy's just down
Speaker 5: next to me, and I look, I haven't looked at
Speaker 5: who it was, and his leg is touching mine, like
Speaker 5: I'm like Jesus fucking and I'm not a big guy.
Speaker 5: I'm like Jesus fucking Christ. Now he's like taking over
Speaker 5: the seat, and I look at my buddy Rath and
Speaker 5: He's looks at me like yeah, and I look and
Speaker 5: it's Jack fucking Nicholason. And for three three fucking hours,
Speaker 5: because he's a boxing head and a sports fanatic and
Speaker 5: so am I. We spoke for three fucking hours, him
Speaker 5: and his best buddy that's always there, the crazy long
Speaker 5: hair white guy, and Laura flim Boyle at the time,
Speaker 5: who he was seeing, Wow, And and we spoke literally
Speaker 5: now stop. He's there for all the fights. And he's
Speaker 5: saying something to me and he's like, you know who
Speaker 5: you look like? And he was mentioning some old school
Speaker 5: boxer and I'm just looking at his mouth and I'm
Speaker 5: not hearing anything. I'm just looking at his mouth. And
Speaker 5: he goes like this, are you okay? Like I didn't
Speaker 5: mean to offend you, And I go, no, what do
Speaker 5: you mean. He's like, he's a good looking guy. So
Speaker 5: the person he was describing me like, say, you look
Speaker 5: like this guy. And I was like, and he just
Speaker 5: caught me in a moment where I'm just staring at
Speaker 5: his mouth.
Speaker 3: Wait.
Speaker 2: You also, you had some scenes with raoul A Sparza.
Speaker 2: Did you guys get along?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You like him?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Nice guy, I mean, first time, first am. I
Speaker 5: am very nice, you know, and you know it's great
Speaker 5: about people like Marishka and Raoul or anyone who does this.
Speaker 5: When you come on someone's show, you're helping their show.
Speaker 5: Whether you're a guest star, whether you do one scene,
Speaker 5: you're helping their show. It's their show. What they should
Speaker 5: do is welcome you into their show. And both of
Speaker 5: them are a plus in doing that. And so for me,
Speaker 5: I've worked on shows where the leads are assholes and
Speaker 5: you're like, I don't even want to be here. I
Speaker 5: don't even want to do good work for you. I
Speaker 5: don't want to do good work for you. I don't
Speaker 5: like here you are. You're the top two percent in
Speaker 5: our union. You have a job as a number one,
Speaker 5: number two, number three on a call sheet, and you're
Speaker 5: an asshole and you're not that good. And it's like,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It's it's so for me
Speaker 5: and the show where I was one of the leads, man,
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, can we get Starbucks? What Starbucks? You want?
Speaker 5: Can we get this? What do you want? Everything? I
Speaker 5: make sure like you have to take care of them.
Speaker 5: It's maybe it's because I grew up having to, like,
Speaker 5: you know, you have to take care of people, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, And you know, in this business
Speaker 5: as a hierarchy, and unfortunately it's like it shits all
Speaker 5: the way down. So I just to make sure it
Speaker 5: doesn't happen to those people on OZ, the extras, the
Speaker 5: day players, you know who played the background, right, the
Speaker 5: guys in prison, they were there every show. So the
Speaker 5: first season, how it works on movie sets or TV
Speaker 5: sets is background has to wait till the principal actors
Speaker 5: eat first. We made sure that never happened. Season one,
Speaker 5: episode two, we made sure that never happened. So the
Speaker 5: background on OZ ate alongside us and we waited behind.
Speaker 5: It didn't matter. We made sure all the actors made
Speaker 5: sure that did it happened.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you're an actor and your brother's a federal agent,
Speaker 1: your brother you play the roles that your brother does
Speaker 1: in real life.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah. And also I have a half brother he's also
Speaker 5: a DC, a police officer in DC, and he was
Speaker 5: there fucking January.
Speaker 3: Sixth Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so yeah, like I got it, Like it's sterical.
Speaker 5: All my brothers are like law enforcement.
Speaker 2: And wait, but you play so much law enforcement, do
Speaker 2: you talk to them and ask questions or do they
Speaker 2: make fun of you, like, what's the dynamic?
Speaker 5: No? No, no, I mean it's as long as I
Speaker 5: hold the weapon properly. And you know, it's so funny.
Speaker 5: It's like the guy who did What's What's that? Not
Speaker 5: Hill Street Blues? What was the one after Hill Street Blues?
Speaker 5: Big cop show? So I did like eight season. You
Speaker 5: know it's Dennis France, lovely man and the on set
Speaker 5: technical advisor and c was also a producer and an asshole. Ah,
Speaker 5: I was a beat cop and it's outside of the school.
Speaker 5: I have my hands in the buck. He's like, hey,
Speaker 5: no police officer, whatever happens hands in his pocket? And
Speaker 5: I go, oh, yes, they would. I go, I live
Speaker 5: in New York. On my life, I've seen cops with
Speaker 5: their hands in their pocket because it's cold. And he's like,
Speaker 5: it's not true, and I'm like, he wanted me to
Speaker 5: play a cop this way, and I'm like, this is
Speaker 5: my interpretation, motherfucker, my interpretation. I don't care if you're
Speaker 5: a producer. I don't care who you are. You don't
Speaker 5: tell me how to perform. You don't do that. You're
Speaker 5: not the director. And then even if like I'm like
Speaker 5: I'm more successful at what I do than what you do.
Speaker 5: Don't tell me how to play this. So like my
Speaker 5: I told it to my brother, my older brother, he's like,
Speaker 5: fucking idiot, doesn't know what he's talking about. And he's
Speaker 5: also like a Chicago cop, like it's it's just a different,
Speaker 5: it's a different I got no faulter, Well, we'll let
Speaker 5: you go.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is awesome.
Speaker 2: Do you have anything coming up you'd like to tell
Speaker 2: people about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, writing with my wife. We're writing three different projects
Speaker 5: right now, three different things. It's very, very hard to
Speaker 5: write three different things. So but each day is a
Speaker 5: different task. And but just waiting out the writer's strike
Speaker 5: and I hope the writers get what they want and
Speaker 5: the actors get what they want. It's well deserved. We
Speaker 5: can't work without the other.
Speaker 2: And uh, well today I woke up and one video
Speaker 2: I saw that one of the executives straight up was like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna use AI and we're gonna use AI eventually
Speaker 2: for editing too, and it's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 5: The AI isn't good enough? So so AI for voice
Speaker 5: overs you could do, but AI for my face in
Speaker 5: a live action I don't think AI is good enough.
Speaker 2: Yet, Yeah, we're human. Can we not have human experiences?
Speaker 2: It's so fucked up.
Speaker 5: And listen like, so they think like, let's just cast
Speaker 5: an AI, right, let's just let's just go there. Who's
Speaker 5: going to act for the I What I mean by
Speaker 5: this is this, So a lot of the beautiful moments
Speaker 5: happen in the mistakes, right, So in a flow of
Speaker 5: a line and someone ad libs, that's where the beauty
Speaker 5: comes in. AI doesn't know how to do that. The
Speaker 5: magic is in the mistakes. So the same thing, for instance,
Speaker 5: in close range with Christopher Walking and Sean Penn, Right,
Speaker 5: so the the heated scene between the two where Sean
Speaker 5: Penn pulls out the gun on Christopher Walking, Sean Penn
Speaker 5: pulled out a gun because didn't expect then the gun
Speaker 5: to be in the scene and then fires it off
Speaker 5: next to him, but it was a blank and he
Speaker 5: put the blank in so that that reaction is original.
Speaker 5: AI doesn't know how to do that, those moments that
Speaker 5: talented real actors know how to do and how to
Speaker 5: draw out other actors. A. I can't do that. Hey,
Speaker 5: I can't do that. You told me A I could
Speaker 5: act as well as Meryl Street no, what are you thinking.
Speaker 5: It's not ready yet. It's not ready yet. You could
Speaker 5: it could only do what you program it to do, right,
Speaker 5: So it doesn't understand nuance. That's another thing they can't
Speaker 5: do nuance like you watch truly Magalie deeply right with
Speaker 5: the girls talking are her therapist about her dead husband,
Speaker 5: Alan Boan, the great Alan Rickman and Julia Stevenson. I
Speaker 5: think is the actress name And in that monologue, she
Speaker 5: gets angry, she cries, she laughs, she gets angry and laughs. Fuck,
Speaker 5: I got chills right now. If thinking of that performance.
Speaker 5: If you've never seen that film, see it.
Speaker 2: I typed it in. I'm gonna watch it. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: not seen that and I love it.
Speaker 5: Performance is fucking film. You're gonna be like, why have
Speaker 5: I never heard of this woman? Because she's brilliant and
Speaker 5: AI can't do that. AI can't make choices like that.
Speaker 3: For sure. Well, we were happy we got you to
Speaker 3: talk to us. We're excited.
Speaker 1: And well yeah we'll look out for like the projects
Speaker 1: with you and your wife, And thank you so much
Speaker 1: for talking to us en route to Pokersia.
Speaker 5: You guys are the best. I had fun.
Speaker 1: Wishing you a lot of royal flushes or whatever.
Speaker 3: That was incredible. I'm obsessed with him.
Speaker 2: I love that he's gambling, he loves his wife, he
Speaker 2: loves his cat.
Speaker 3: He is the best.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I've fallen in love with a
Speaker 2: few of our guests, but Kirk's definitely getting at it.
Speaker 3: To the list of I'm smitten, I'm obsessed. I'm also just.
Speaker 1: Like love how we keep finding out who's married to
Speaker 1: each other, like his wife, like I remember so well
Speaker 1: from Staved by the Ball of the New Class, and
Speaker 1: it's like I just was, like, these two people are married.
Speaker 1: Like it's just like scrambles my brain every time we
Speaker 1: figure it out. But I love it, and I love.
Speaker 2: The little tidbits about Oz, like it's such a little thing,
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, we eat all together, whether you're a
Speaker 2: background or not. Our business is so like the monarchy
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: It's it's so funny. Wait.
Speaker 2: I also, I don't want this to go unnoticed, but
Speaker 2: your intro you did call his character a loyal knucklehead,
Speaker 2: and that was very funny to me.
Speaker 3: Because I was in love. We gotta give that. We
Speaker 3: got to give that up to Casey.
Speaker 1: Casey put that in the in the outline. That's a Casey.
Speaker 1: That's a Casey editorial.
Speaker 2: Love knucklehead edition, obsessed, obsessed with this episode.
Speaker 3: Stop sending dick picks to teens.
Speaker 1: That is not like honestly, like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to get it through everybody's head at this point. Like
Speaker 1: the internet is forever. Nothing is, nothing can be deleted, nothing.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna not get busted for anything you do
Speaker 1: on the Internet.
Speaker 3: Like it's just it's forever.
Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of, there are news episodes of The Black
Speaker 2: Mirror coming out. Oh that Jared Goldstein not a guest
Speaker 2: to the pot, but a for end of the pod
Speaker 2: in a literal sense, is in. It is in one
Speaker 2: of the episodes. So I can't fucking wait.
Speaker 3: So cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I talked to him about it when he did
Speaker 1: my show a couple weeks ago, and I was like, OKA,
Speaker 1: wait to see it.
Speaker 2: I can't because I don't know if I would be
Speaker 2: as appointment television, Like, you know, obviously I'll watch a
Speaker 2: Black Mirror, of course, but like I think at midnight
Speaker 2: strike of midnight, I cannot wait.
Speaker 3: I love Black Mirror.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for that, but yeah, like just it's just
Speaker 1: you know, politicians are no better than athletes or celebrity
Speaker 1: like movie stars or anything, and just thinking that they
Speaker 1: can kind of get away with stuff like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: just at a level where I'm not gonna get caught.
Speaker 1: And it's like, but you've seen every person get caught
Speaker 1: time after time. It's not about the United States is
Speaker 1: being indicted as we speak.
Speaker 2: It's not about the job what they all have to
Speaker 2: It's arrogance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's arrogance.
Speaker 2: It's like they all are just so arrogant and not
Speaker 2: to bring us up because it is sad and I
Speaker 2: can't stop talking about it even though I show I
Speaker 2: think all everyone is sick of it in my life.
Speaker 3: No, it's not vander Pump. It's that boy being eaten
Speaker 3: by sharks.
Speaker 1: Like Eric, you're not jumping the water and not get
Speaker 1: eaten by a shark.
Speaker 2: The shark won't get me. It's like there will get you.
Speaker 2: But also I get why men think they'll get away
Speaker 2: with it because they do.
Speaker 1: A lot they have they have Yeah, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: feel like even more, it's just you're less likely to
Speaker 1: get away with shit now that there's the Internet. Like
Speaker 1: I'm just we constantly are seeing every day people getting
Speaker 1: busted like congressmen or governors like writing to gay boys
Speaker 1: on their instagrams, being like you look great, you know,
Speaker 1: even though they're trying to promote anti gay legislation.
Speaker 3: Or like Trump or any of these people.
Speaker 1: It's like, you guys are so fucking dumb and you
Speaker 1: have a I don't know, it's like it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with it, but I'm like, you have this beautiful,
Speaker 1: dynamic wife at home, Like why are you sending pictures
Speaker 1: of your bulging crotch to like random set seventeen year
Speaker 1: olds on the internet. Like, but that's not what it's about, right,
Speaker 1: It's not about your what like your wife is not
Speaker 1: is or isn't doing. It's about like these guys being
Speaker 1: arrogant and need obsessed with attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the power element of it, because you know,
Speaker 2: Louis always comes up in convos and it's like lots
Speaker 2: of people would have done it. He had money to
Speaker 2: hire sex worker, like all this stuff he didn't want.
Speaker 2: He wanted to make people uncomfortable, like that you don't
Speaker 2: take out your dick at work for fun, like it
Speaker 2: is to make someone uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: That is like a part of it. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: you know, they're just like a little.
Speaker 1: Sickos and I guess like what we've learned is like,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna make up a fake screen name, like
Speaker 1: just I don't know, go with something simple Steve one two, three, seven,
Speaker 1: four five, Like let's not do Carlos danger or what
Speaker 1: was like one in the show Something Trouble, Enrique Trouble
Speaker 1: and Rique Trouble.
Speaker 3: It's disgusting.
Speaker 2: It's the and you're old, you're lame, You're chew gee
Speaker 2: as they say, right, is that did I just become
Speaker 2: chewgye by not even correct? I yeah, you're like, ugh,
Speaker 2: it's just disgusting. Yeah, Like every I don't know, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's listen, I don't know what we learned the same
Speaker 2: things over and over in every episode.
Speaker 1: It's well no, I mean I thought this episode was
Speaker 1: interesting too, because like it really like we threw Barbara.
Speaker 1: We saw the like whole loyalty thing, like are you
Speaker 1: loyal to your pals back home? Like are you all
Speaker 1: of you struggle to make it to the top. But
Speaker 1: now some people are letting it go to their head,
Speaker 1: like how do you handle that?
Speaker 2: So the wife did make the wrong choice. You should
Speaker 2: have been with Barbara? Yeah, Barbara's the better person human mate, probably, like,
Speaker 2: I don't think Barbara would pull this kind of shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we all know he would have eaten your
Speaker 1: ass like a champ, right, Yeah, so stupid. That's just
Speaker 1: a reference to our live shows where we ask people that, you, guys,
Speaker 1: in case you're like, what are you talking about? We
Speaker 1: don't know anything about actual Barba's analingus abilities. We just
Speaker 1: like to talk about it at our live shows. Should
Speaker 1: we move on to what would sister Peg do?
Speaker 3: That would be lovely?
Speaker 1: You know this segment, guys, this is where we give you, guys,
Speaker 1: a article, an organization, a podcast, episode, a doc, something
Speaker 1: to flesh out a little bit more about what we
Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode. And we thought this week
Speaker 1: we would just point you to the twenty sixteen documentary Wiener.
Speaker 1: The doc follows Anthony Wiener as he stages an attempted
Speaker 1: comeback from his sexting scandal by running for mayor of
Speaker 1: New York City. It is showing for free on plex.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, but the link is
Speaker 1: in our show notes and on our Instagram and saved
Speaker 1: in our Instagram highlights.
Speaker 3: Called WWSPD two.
Speaker 1: So you could just click on that, or you can
Speaker 1: honestly just google it and it pops right up. You
Speaker 1: could just watch this on Plex immediately, I think, just
Speaker 1: if you want to sort of see where some of
Speaker 1: the like delusion of these politicians is that this guy
Speaker 1: knew he had more shit out there on himself, and he's, like,
Speaker 1: you know what, hopping into the mayoral race.
Speaker 3: So check it out if you feel it.
Speaker 2: Not only that, while you were talking, I was re
Speaker 2: reminded his last name is Wiener, Like I know you. Also,
Speaker 2: just why don't you straight lace it if your last
Speaker 2: name is Wiener?
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 1: You gotta be on your best behavior if your last
Speaker 1: name is Wiener. I'm sorry, my god. I used to
Speaker 1: work with a guy, but he went by Winer. I
Speaker 1: guess it's like to each to each their own.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and next week we have a fucked up
Speaker 2: episode as always waiting for you. PTSD season ten, episode nine,
Speaker 2: watch on Hulu or Peacock, which has become my holy grail.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do without Peacock. After
Speaker 2: we finish today, I am going to watch the uncensored
Speaker 2: Jersey Housewives reunion extent.
Speaker 3: Oh, I gotta watch the last part.
Speaker 2: I watched that with the husbands well because all I
Speaker 2: see are the memes and everyone's like John fudah is
Speaker 2: a real one, John Fuda, So I.
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, wait to see what John. I can't
Speaker 3: wait to see what John Fuda does. Good. That's so true.
Speaker 1: I saw one last night before I went to bed
Speaker 1: that was like the one guy you don't want to
Speaker 1: fuck with is John Fuda, And I was.
Speaker 3: Like, what did John Fuda do?
Speaker 2: So I'm pumped because he's been silent and drunk the
Speaker 2: whole season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all of a.
Speaker 2: Sudden, everyone's just like, let's all get in line and
Speaker 2: suck John Fuda's dick. He protects his family and he
Speaker 2: doesn't give a fuck. I'm like, Okay, I like them.
Speaker 1: I like Rachel and John Fuda, but we'll see, you know,
Speaker 1: sophomore slump by next season.
Speaker 3: I'll probably hate them all. Thanks you guys, Thanks for listening.
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