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Speaker 1: From selling these books about Bishop? We'll be right back

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Speaker 1: with more from Marshan McDonald and money Making conversations. Don't

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Speaker 1: touch that. Don Hi, Welcome back to money making Conversations.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rashan McDonald's get to our next guest.

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Speaker 1: He's the founder, chairman, and CEO of the forty seven

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Speaker 1: year old Central City Productions, located in Chicago, Illinois. They

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Speaker 1: do national television syndication production sales. He's also the founder

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Speaker 1: of the Stella Awards. Please work on to money Making Conversations.

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Speaker 1: Don Jackson, Good morning, Rashan. How are you? I know

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Speaker 1: you aren't you? That's how are you? And cod with

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Speaker 1: Chicago not called to day, my brother, we're getting I

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Speaker 1: think we're gonna get up into forty. So that's hot.

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Speaker 1: That's hot to march brother, that's hot right. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just spending four years off the tape and Steve's

442
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Speaker 1: talk show. I know from experience with martch can Field

443
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Speaker 1: like in Chicago. But how are you doing? My friends

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00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: doing good? I'm doing. I'm doing fantastic. I heard a

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Speaker 1: little bit of that T. D Jake's interview you had

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Speaker 1: and and it was fantastic. I appreciate this. They having

447
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Speaker 1: guests like you come on and Bishop T. D Jake's

448
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Speaker 1: have Dian Sanders on the show as well as Amy

449
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Speaker 1: barn Dad, and it's just amazing the response I've been

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Speaker 1: getting with money making conversations. Because it's really about the show,

451
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: I'm giving out free information and also because of my

452
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: history allows a sense of credibility and to bring on

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Speaker 1: talented people like you, because the people need to hear

454
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: because we have an entrepreneurial generation that's the eighteen and

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Speaker 1: thirty four and they didn't need to hear Eyes Done

456
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Speaker 1: because that's what they want to do, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of times, you you know, since they are into podcasts,

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Speaker 1: since they into streaming, I felt it was it was

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Speaker 1: a cool idea to develop this concept and bring on

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Speaker 1: people like you. I call friends of the business, to

461
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Speaker 1: show people that in your forty seven years, the legacy

462
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: that you created that they might not be aware of.

463
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Speaker 1: They can see your show, they can see the each

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Speaker 1: of the told and now that's why I wanted to

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Speaker 1: start the interview before we got into who Done Jackson Eels,

466
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Speaker 1: so they can see your brain and your brand is

467
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Speaker 1: pretty big, and I want you to start out with

468
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Speaker 1: you know the show did everybody really knows what the

469
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Speaker 1: Stellar Awards, which which is starting on Marching. Take Mary

470
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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. Correct, Yeah, that is in Vegas. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that is our flagship show. And you know, people often

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Speaker 1: see the results of of of something like a show

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Speaker 1: or what you've done and say, oh, how easy it's been.

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Speaker 1: And they they say, wow, you're blessed and and you're

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Speaker 1: lucky and and all other kinds of adjectives. But what

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Speaker 1: they don't see is what is necessary when you have

477
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Speaker 1: an idea like we had here. Uh, You've got to

478
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Speaker 1: develop a plan. You've got to do some due diligence

479
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Speaker 1: to put it down. You just can't talk your way

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Speaker 1: through it. Um, you have to plan it first to

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Speaker 1: make it work. And um. But you know, we've been

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Speaker 1: very fortunate, uh in in laying the groundwork for an

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Speaker 1: idea I had with the Stellar Awards some thirty five

484
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Speaker 1: years ago when I saw that they didn't have anything,

485
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Speaker 1: uh in the way of a gospel music award show.

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Speaker 1: And uh, that's when I said this would be great

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Speaker 1: for television special because I had worked with Don Cornelius

488
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Speaker 1: on developing the Soul Trained Music Awards, where um, it

489
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Speaker 1: wasn't um, there wasn't a black music awards show on

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Speaker 1: the air. So we started working and so I was

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Speaker 1: familiar with award shows and and that's when I saw

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Speaker 1: the void. And and that's what young people need to

493
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Speaker 1: think about when they have ideas. If there is a

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Speaker 1: void in a particular area that they think they can develop,

495
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Speaker 1: they can grow or produce. Uh that's the first start,

496
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Speaker 1: and that's what I saw. And then I went to

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Speaker 1: work on planning what would that look like? Uh? Uh

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Speaker 1: you know what, what are the positive things that can

499
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Speaker 1: result from it? Uh? And on the money side, it

500
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Speaker 1: john who would support it? Right? Uh? You know, so

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Speaker 1: in our business of television, in addition to the idea,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, it's like a triangle. The base of

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Speaker 1: the triangle is the idea, is the show? Then what

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Speaker 1: the the the the other legs of the triangle are

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Speaker 1: the broadcast stations who would air it right, put it on.

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Speaker 1: And then the third leg of that triangle are the

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Speaker 1: advertisers who would support it. And uh so when we

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Speaker 1: took it out to the broadcast community, they love the

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Speaker 1: idea of an award show like that, and then the

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Speaker 1: advertisers that was the third leg to see if they

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Speaker 1: would support it right right, And then that's really what

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Speaker 1: got us on the air, and that's what has kept

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Speaker 1: us on the air, you know, with advertisers like General

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Speaker 1: Motors and um A, Walmart and State Farm and A

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Speaker 1: T n T. And Johnson and Johnson and Procter and Gamble.

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Speaker 1: Those are the advertisers. Now, you've got to get your

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Speaker 1: ratings right. But but that's the you know, the the

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Speaker 1: business of television. But it all starts with what do

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Speaker 1: you do with that idea you think is the greatest

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Speaker 1: idea in the world, and what kind of work are

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Speaker 1: you gonna really do to make that happen? Now, the

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Speaker 1: show is is taped there, but there's also a multi

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Speaker 1: weeking event now correct. Oh yeah, it's um we it's

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Speaker 1: grown from just a television taping to you know, a

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Speaker 1: major major event where uh we have over twenty five

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Speaker 1: thousand uh God music fans come into Vegas. Thank yous,

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Speaker 1: Come on, we we've extended it. Yeah, it's in Vegas

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Speaker 1: that we call it soul City instead of we know

529
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Speaker 1: what's going on in church, folks. We know what's going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we know, we know our church. Will is also like

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Speaker 1: to like like to have some fun. Absolutely. Well. You

532
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: get in Vegas, you get food, you get gambling, get shopping,

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Speaker 1: and you get camaraderie and also the hotel spaces can

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Speaker 1: be very reasonable too. Now see you now you hit

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Speaker 1: it right on the head. People ask me why are

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Speaker 1: you in Vegas? Well, you know, Vegas, they are the

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Speaker 1: ones who have the venues and and hotels that can

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Speaker 1: hold these major events sometimes and and cities other cities.

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Speaker 1: We've been into New York, We've been in the l

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Speaker 1: a uh Nashville, We've been in Houston, um, and they

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Speaker 1: don't have all of the venues of choice. Uh, you

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Speaker 1: know that are economical where you can you know, because

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Speaker 1: our show uh you know, we take five days to

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Speaker 1: prepare for it. You know, we call it, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Grammys of Gospel music. But you know they have

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Speaker 1: the right environment for us, and you know, the weather's right,

547
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: and they have other attractions there in terms of gaming,

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Speaker 1: so it's a great environment. Well you know, you know

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Speaker 1: being I've done the Neighborhood Awards at Orleans. Are you

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Speaker 1: know where you ad that's a great facility in that circle.

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Speaker 1: And also it just Vegas. It provides entertainment and that's

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Speaker 1: what people want to do. They want to go someplace

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Speaker 1: where a lot of people haven't been to Vegas. So

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00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: it's a lack of vacation. If you plan it right,

555
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: it becomes an annual vacation, earn your road trip, for

556
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: for for families, for friends. So so you've got a

557
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: great venue to be in, in a great town to

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Speaker 1: be to participate. So continuous success there. But I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about some other shows that you're doing. The

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Speaker 1: Black Music Awards, which I had not heard of until

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00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: until this interview came up, which is taped August sixteen

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee at the Performing Arts Center. It's hosted by

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Speaker 1: Ricky Smiley and your Toya Luckett. Yeah. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: this was a show that I did some twenty five

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Speaker 1: years ago, believe it or not, and uh, I did

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Speaker 1: it in Los Angeles, and uh, it was really meant

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Speaker 1: to honor, uh the the artists in in in African

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Speaker 1: American music who came before us. Uh, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Dells and the Supremes and Berry Gordy and and and

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00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: we did that as well as Don Cornelius. And we

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Speaker 1: did four episode, four annual shows and then, uh l

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Speaker 1: A was not the venue for for that show, so

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Speaker 1: we stopped. And then I decided two years ago to

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Speaker 1: bring it back in Nashville Tennessee, rashan because they are

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Speaker 1: building the National Museum of African American Music, and all

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Speaker 1: of our proceeds, you know, you know, making money is

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00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: also giving back and tithing, which you know, uh you

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00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: know about and so we're uh we we started it

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Speaker 1: some three years ago with the African National Museum of

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Speaker 1: African American Music where we are proceeds go and it's

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Speaker 1: been just sensational. It's like the rock and Roll Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. That's exactly right. Uh. You know, we have

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Speaker 1: these legends in African American music who have paved the way,

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Speaker 1: and you know, uh, we we've honored just a tremendous

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Speaker 1: amount you know what I mean. He had Dionne Warwick

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Speaker 1: who worked with me on the Soul Train Music Awards,

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Speaker 1: and Jody Watley, uh and uh you know the and

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Speaker 1: the Jackson's. We were the first to honor the Jackson's

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00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: now uh with a major award like this. They have

590
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Speaker 1: been honored with Michael Jackson, but they've never received an

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Speaker 1: award like they did last year from you know, for

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Speaker 1: their music and for the legacy that they had provided,

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Speaker 1: and they were just thrown away. They were just so

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Speaker 1: thrilled to this is really really news to me and

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to be able to have it on my show.

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Speaker 1: And I want to tell you whatever I can do

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Speaker 1: to keep promoting this, please. I want to bring you

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Speaker 1: back on in early August so we can promote this again.

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00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: I think it's great. And you know, you know you

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Speaker 1: mentioned the Neighborhood Awards Rishane. I was there and that's Uh,

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Speaker 1: that was a tremendous awards show that I would encourage

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00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 1: you that could that could make a lot of sense

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Speaker 1: for telling vision if you want to do it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I just want to just put it out there to you.

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Speaker 1: You know, you might want to think about doing that

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Speaker 1: as an annual award show. Well, I appreciate the compliment.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the work that you're doing. And uh, that's

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Speaker 1: my life, man. My life has been pretty cool. It

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00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: has allowed me to expand my riches, as they say,

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00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: because you know, my background is about helping everybody, everyday people,

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00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: and that's the thing. And I want to bring also

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Speaker 1: something that that nephew Tommy's still hosting the Black College Quiz,

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00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 1: which is really really cool. Yeah, when we're going into

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Speaker 1: i think our our twelfth season, we do this with

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Speaker 1: historical Black colleges and universities. It's the only half hour

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Speaker 1: weekly show that really addresses our our Our kids are

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Speaker 1: not our kids are young adults who are in college shows.

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Speaker 1: You know, positive, that's jepard they have, it's our Jeopardy.

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Speaker 1: It's our Jeopardy. That's exactly right, and our history, you know.

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Speaker 1: So plus you know, they're able to make scholarship money,

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Speaker 1: earned scholarship money from the game, and it's just been

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Speaker 1: you know, tremendous. These are the kinds of shows that

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Speaker 1: we do. You know, our shows are targeted to the

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Speaker 1: African American community, and that's been our mission of uplifting

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00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: our community with positive uplifting programming like this. So well,

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Speaker 1: that's where what we've been doing with all of our

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Speaker 1: shows for the past thirty forty seven. Did I just

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Speaker 1: say forty seven? You don't do it wrong, know, well

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Speaker 1: that was the Sellar Awards. That was you know, that

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Speaker 1: was the Stellar Awards. But it's amazing that, you know,

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Speaker 1: because I know the ballances you have to fight to

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Speaker 1: be in this world of syndication. Just people know about network,

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00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, by Cable and that whole syndication world that

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Speaker 1: not only you have been very effectively, but Byron Allen

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Speaker 1: has been very effective in as well. We come back,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about those models that you put together.

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Speaker 1: I also want to talk about the Mentoring Awards and

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00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: all these great things that you're doing on a regular basis.

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Speaker 1: Were on the phone with Don Jackson, CEO and founder

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Speaker 1: of the Dello Wards. We'll be right back with more

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Speaker 1: from mar Sean McDonald and Money Making Conversations. Don't touch

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Speaker 1: that down. I just ra Sean McDonald. I'm ther host

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Speaker 1: of money Making Conversation. On the phone is Don Jackson.

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Speaker 1: He's the CEO and found up the forty seven year

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Speaker 1: old Central City Productions. Prior to us leaving the Breaks,

646
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Speaker 1: I was talking to with him about the Black College

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Speaker 1: Quiz and hosted annually by nephew Tommy. It's one of

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Speaker 1: those great shows that features HBCU college students. I said,

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Speaker 1: I said up Tommy to host that and personal I

650
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: just talked to all the time about production and about

651
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Speaker 1: the schedule. And that was your wife, Don, and I

652
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: love talking to because she's meticulous and but she was

653
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Speaker 1: open minded and she was all about being successful. And

654
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Speaker 1: I know she's passed recently. Last modern fact, I just

655
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Speaker 1: wanted to bring that up and just tell there's a

656
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Speaker 1: person I'm gonna miss in this industry because of who

657
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Speaker 1: she is and what she represented as a producer and

658
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Speaker 1: partner for you at your company. Can you tell us

659
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Speaker 1: a few words about them? Yes, Well, it's also a

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Speaker 1: testament to some of the black women who out there

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00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: and in your audience. Um. Uh. And what my wife

662
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: meant to me is she mentored so many African American

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Speaker 1: women uh in this business of television. Uh. She was

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Speaker 1: the backbone. We've we've been married for fifty two years.

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Speaker 1: And when I went into business, she was there to

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Speaker 1: push me out, support me, take care of my kids.

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Speaker 1: And then she got into the business and she actually

668
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Speaker 1: was the research director and an academic coordinator of the

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Speaker 1: Black College Wealth and and you know, she took over

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Speaker 1: that she handled so many things in our business. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people didn't know the backbone that they because

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Speaker 1: she put me pushed me out. But Black women can

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Speaker 1: be so strong and they have been uh in in

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Speaker 1: helping uh to you know, for successive businesses like ours. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I just can't say enough about the influence that

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Speaker 1: she had an impact she had on our business. I

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Speaker 1: know that That's why I wanted to bring it up.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to let you know by my personal

679
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Speaker 1: contact that I had with her in a short time,

680
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Speaker 1: and we talked every year, but it was always uh,

681
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Speaker 1: really really effective. And I just want to let you

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Speaker 1: know that I respected every conversation I had with her,

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Speaker 1: and I really appreciate the values that she gave me,

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Speaker 1: as far as you know, are being able to articulate

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Speaker 1: what that show was about, you know, because I wanted

686
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Speaker 1: to change the show a little bit. She goes, Shant looks,

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Speaker 1: there are rules here, you know, we're you know, I

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00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: know you had to entertainment, Rashan, but we gotta do

689
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Speaker 1: it a certain way. We got it. We have to.

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Speaker 1: This is we have to stick to certain because we're

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Speaker 1: dealing with answers. You know, you ken't playing with accuracy.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. In history? You know she would.

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Speaker 1: And also she's a doctor. She's a doctor PhD. Of education.

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Speaker 1: I like that out there, look crazy now. I love

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Speaker 1: talking to her. I wouldn't gus. I want to set

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Speaker 1: up everything about your production company and some of the

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Speaker 1: flag flags, the tip posts that you've created, because I

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Speaker 1: wanted to. I wanted to segue into the Stellar TV Network,

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Speaker 1: And I felt if you just if I started with

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Speaker 1: the Stellar TV Network, people wouldn't understand. How would you

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Speaker 1: have the history, all the production awareness to be able

702
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Speaker 1: to talk about the Stellar TV Network, which would be

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Speaker 1: the first twenty four completely African American owed faith based

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Speaker 1: television network. Tell us about that. Yeah, that is the

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Speaker 1: legacy that I intend to leave to lead behind. That

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Speaker 1: is UM a faith based gospel music entertainment network. You know,

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Speaker 1: not just gospel music, but programming that's positive, uplifting, and

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Speaker 1: there doesn't exist in African American owned UH network like

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Speaker 1: that today. Uh. You know, even some of our other

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Speaker 1: networks that are currently out there, UM you know are

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Speaker 1: not of their their orient and towards African Americans, but

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Speaker 1: they're not African American owned. And we have a hear

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Speaker 1: each library of programming. So you know, when you start

714
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Speaker 1: thinking Rashan about well, I can't get my programs on, uh,

715
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Speaker 1: we're not in the right time periods. And you faced

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Speaker 1: some of this out there, and syndication to the thing

717
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Speaker 1: about it is that we decided to do our own

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Speaker 1: so that we can put programming on that young producers

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Speaker 1: and writers and directors ideas that they have, that we

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Speaker 1: can entertain those ideas and not only put them on

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Speaker 1: but find opportunities for employment for our black young people

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Speaker 1: who are getting educated in communications and radio and television

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Speaker 1: and tim but find jobs for him. So this is

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Speaker 1: why I am not retiring at all. No, I am

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Speaker 1: so excited about uh. And you know this network that

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Speaker 1: we're looking to launch in another year, uh that we

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Speaker 1: think is going to set television on fire. And uh

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Speaker 1: so we you know, we've been out here. We have

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Speaker 1: a huge footprint in this gospel music uh arena. But

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Speaker 1: it's more than that. It's really providing programming for our

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Speaker 1: community that they don't currently get to counterbalance some of

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Speaker 1: all of them. You say programming, like is it just

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Speaker 1: gospel related? Like? Because is it about cooking? On any

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Speaker 1: baking on that? It's it's about you know baker now.

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Speaker 1: You know I've always been spread my baking love out

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Speaker 1: there to the trade folk now and you know, we

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of those shows on. You know,

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Speaker 1: we we have a cooking show that's right uh in

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Speaker 1: our plans and on our program you know agenda, and

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Speaker 1: you know we we're gonna do a soap opera that

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Speaker 1: uh currently has not been done, you know. And if

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Speaker 1: you take a look at some of the gospel music

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Speaker 1: plays that I have, you know, Tyler Perry started, you know,

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Speaker 1: much of the what they called the Checkland circuit where

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00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: you know, they would have no right right, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a variety of programming that touches every

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Speaker 1: corner of our community. And the the one base of

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Speaker 1: it is gospel music uplifting programming. You know, because when

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Speaker 1: you're in need, if you have, you know, a problem,

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Speaker 1: if someone has uh, you know, done you wrong, you

751
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: know you can you can turn to our stellar TV

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Speaker 1: network and get uplifted, you know, but you can. That's

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna get. Baking by us. I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bug you to death. I'm a bug you

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Speaker 1: death by my TV show over there. I know, I

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Speaker 1: got an award winning show for your audience. I gotta

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00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: have million fan club members of the female. I gotta

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00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: bigging social media following seven eight percent of female. At

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00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: some point in life, you gotta start selling yourself to

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Speaker 1: pile brokers. That's right, That's right. I'll put that show on.

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00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how well you can cook

762
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: but I know you all right now see, oh y'all

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00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: get Done's email address. We got to put an edge

764
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: of this ignorance right here talking about you all to

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Speaker 1: know me from producing TVs. Man, just Steve Barbie right

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00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: and sit come. He don't even know about my other background. Man,

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Speaker 1: I did not know about that people walking I was.

768
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: I was in the elevator the Atlanta Hawks the other day,

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Speaker 1: coming down the elevator. Guy behind me started talking to it.

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Speaker 1: They did in front of me. Turn around, you're the Baker, right,

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00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: my program director the know you as the Baker. Dude. Yeah, man,

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00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: social media, I'm the Baker. So let's talk to the

773
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: next thing here. Man. That's the name of the show, right,

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00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: the name of the show is The Baker. It could

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00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: be it's called Baker Spotlight. I'm done. I'm not gonna

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00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: tie this show down telling myself about you. I'm gonna

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00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: do this off fair. You need to understand you talked

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Speaker 1: to a very very special person on this phone. Oh

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Speaker 1: my friend, are you got talents we don't know about? Absolutely?

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00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: That's that's all the purpose of the show man, not

781
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: only just to spread the love about entrepreneurship, but also

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00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: spread the fame of Roussan McDonald. I love it. I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about this National Museum of Gospel Music.

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00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, I just looked. I got to

785
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: bring you back. You don't even know how much you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well you know I was in you know,

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Speaker 1: the Pilgrim Baptist Church was known as the home of

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Speaker 1: gospel music and Thomas A. Dorsey, the father of gospel music.

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Speaker 1: And it burned down in two thousand six in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: and it was just sitting there, and so I went

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Speaker 1: by to take a look. And people have been encouraging

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Speaker 1: me to think about a museum for gospel music. And

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Speaker 1: I walked through the ashes and said, this is it.

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Speaker 1: This should be the place for a national Museum of

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Speaker 1: Gospel music. And I made a commitment. We're putting our

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Speaker 1: funds in it from the proceeds from this other awards.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna introduce it, uh in two weeks at the

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Speaker 1: Stellar Awards. And where all the city has gotten behind it,

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Speaker 1: the mayor, the governor, they've gotten behind it. And it

800
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: was just an idea of waiting to happen for Chicago.

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00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: They they didn't realize the legacy that Chicago had as

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Speaker 1: the birthplace of gospel music. So we're gonna build a uh,

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Speaker 1: five story museum right in the heart of the black community,

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Speaker 1: the Bronzeville community, which is on the near south side

805
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Speaker 1: of Chicago. And uh, you know it's because of the

806
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: footprint that we have. We're gonna have all of the history,

807
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: the culture, the collections and Rashan. We're gonna have for

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Speaker 1: the first time in Chicago, a sound stage to do

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Speaker 1: television production right in our community. Don um for the

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Speaker 1: seven years, I think I'll be interviewed for another forty

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Speaker 1: seven years at least your legacy. But man, I'm so

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00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: proud that you came on my show. I've had fun

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00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: talking to you. I miss your wife, man, I know

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00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: you miss her dearly as well, and the people your

815
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: productive company. But the fact that you got the Stellar

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Speaker 1: Gospel Music Awards, the Black Music Honors, Black College Quiz,

817
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Speaker 1: the Mentoring Awards, You're launching, the Stellar TV, the Gospel Museum.

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Speaker 1: Keep winning, my friend, and I will bring you back,

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Speaker 1: definitely back on the show. You can get tickets to

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Speaker 1: the Stellar Music Awards go to ticket mouster dot com

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Speaker 1: is hosted by my good friend Kurt Franklin. Keep winning.

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Speaker 1: It's a weekend event down. Thank you for coming to

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Speaker 1: my show. All right, thank you, Rashan. I'll come back

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Speaker 1: and they time you want me appreciate you. I gotta

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Speaker 1: seen you some pies and my man, you need to learn.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she

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Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and

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Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me

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Speaker 1: advice on many occasions. In the case she didn't notice,

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Speaker 1: I'm not broke. You know. He'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs,

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Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and industry decision makers. It's what he likes to do.

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Speaker 1: It's what he likes to share. Now it's time to

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Speaker 1: hear from my man, Rashan McDonald money Making Conversations. Here

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Speaker 1: we come. Welcome in Money Making Conversations. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. Money Making Conversations now broadcasting live from Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: Georgia every Monday. You can hear me live on Busy

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio podcast Let's get started because Atlanta, you know

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Speaker 1: about this young man. My next guest can be seen

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Speaker 1: on several NFL Network television series or shows, including Thursday

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Speaker 1: Night Football twenty one and Prime NFL Game Day. He

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Speaker 1: former Major League Baseball player who's the only athlete to

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Speaker 1: play on both the Super Bowl and the World Series.

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Speaker 1: He's the coach, philanthropists and father. Please welcome to money

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Speaker 1: making Conversations, Dion Sanders Rich Are they were finally owned together?

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Speaker 1: I missed you, man, I'm saying something. This is great

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Speaker 1: for you to say that because Deon is a special

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Speaker 1: person to me, and you know, our relationship, as you

850
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: unique in itself because he's a natural motivator. That's why

851
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: this is a relationship. We've been knowing each other about

852
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: fifteen or fifteen years for sure, and he know I've

853
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: always been inspired by his natural gifts. Why are you

854
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: just such a natural motivator? Dion? And I think it's

855
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: something that I saw as a child. I saw a

856
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: mother who worked tireless just so ends could see one

857
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: another because they never met. I saw a father that

858
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: struggled with drug addiction, stepfather to struggled with alcoholism. I

859
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: saw an inner city that I was in golf and

860
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: that I lived in and then I reside of it

861
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: and that was headed nowhere in no direction. And something

862
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: inside of me said, you could take a little bit

863
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: of this from your mama, You could take a little

864
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: bit of that from initia. To take a little bit

865
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: of that and whatever you want to be. And no

866
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: one can stop you if you focus and put your

867
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: mind to it. No one can stop you if you

868
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: don't quit. And that was the formula. Now, but you know,

869
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: but you, but you, you You describe a background an

870
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: environment where there's nothing but roll blocks in life. But

871
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: you have this natural I can win personality there? You

872
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: know that that different, I'm sure, and I see things different,

873
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: Like like I'm a football coach and some days it range.

874
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: And the first thing I do that the coaches say, well, prima,

875
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: it may rain to day. I say, it's the percentage.

876
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: They say, well, it's a chance is gonna rain. I say,

877
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: what that means, it's a sixty percent chance it ain't.

878
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: That's just the way I look at that. I just

879
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: always look at the positive. And everything negative is easy

880
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: to see, it's easy to realize, it's easy to take

881
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: a stance with it. But the positive is something that

882
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: people overlooked. We we always think about what we don't have,

883
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about what we do because here's the

884
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: thing about them, I don't know. You know, we must

885
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: be like this moon be circle or whatever. I'm down

886
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: or something. And I'm one of those guys who stay

887
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: up all the time. I can always get a text

888
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: from you. Keep your head up, brother. You know the

889
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: blessings are gonna come your way. Now. I know you

890
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: just don't do it for me, but you still take

891
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: the time to remind your friends there's always a brighter day.

892
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I have a text list of a couple

893
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: hundred people that they've been getting my texts over twenty

894
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: years every morning, um between certain hours now I'm off

895
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: on weekend, but money through Friday. They get like, like,

896
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: for instance, this morning and said, get yourself together and

897
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: do what you know you need to do and be

898
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: what you desire to be. Trim the fat off your

899
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: life right now. It's holding you back and you know

900
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: it truth, just a simple That's the first thing to

901
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: hit my spirit when I woke up this morning and

902
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: I put it out and guess what, and it's received.

903
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is that Dion has always

904
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: known me because yeah, I see him as a just talented, handsome, articulate,

905
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: entertaining guy. And but he always put family first and

906
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: kids first. When I said kids, I'm talking about his

907
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: youth program, his educational program. Because I would tell him, Man,

908
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: let's go to l A do a sitcom, Let's go

909
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: to l A do a talk show, Let's go to

910
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: New York. He said, Shan, can you do just talk

911
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: show him one day? You know what, We've had some

912
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: real conversations like that too. Man. It's like, from you

913
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: can do this, They're like, okay, but what can they

914
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: shoot them in Dallas? Because I'm telling you that that's

915
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: You're exactly right. You're you're not lying, but well, first

916
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: of all, you don't lie anyway, but by any means,

917
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: you are telling the truth. Because I understand what my

918
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: purpose is tied to my passion. You know, if I'm

919
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: not passionate about it, it cannot be my purpose. And

920
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: God bless ues what I'm passionate about and some things

921
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: I want to do but it ain't me. I would

922
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: love to do it, but it ain't me. And you

923
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: got to decipher in your life between what you're are

924
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: you really passionate about and God with blessing or things

925
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: that you want to do. Just like decided between needs

926
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: and once, once upon a time, I used to go

927
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: and get whatever I wanted because I had, you know,

928
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: that type of cash and you could get whatever you wanted.

929
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: Now it's all about your needs. You still have the resources.

930
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: I still have the financials to do it, but now

931
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm more importantly focused on my needs, not right right right,

932
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: and and your and your family too and what they

933
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: can do and what they and the legacy. And that's

934
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: but I want to tell everybody about that. You know,

935
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: we laugh about it, but I just want to let

936
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: everybody and know it's something about what's important to not

937
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: only you, but the people that you impact along the way.

938
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: And that's important to you because, like I said, like

939
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: you said, you know you've done You've been an incredible

940
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: baseball player and incredible football player or entertainer and the

941
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: music industry. You acted, you you've done all these things,

942
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: but it all came back to what you can do

943
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: for the next person. And you have turned down millions

944
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: my friend called my millions opportunity, not saying that's negative

945
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: because you felt that there was a better opportunity to

946
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: change lives part of my piece. It's part of my purpose,

947
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: ties me to my piece. So when I'm acting in

948
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: my purpose now, I activate my piece. Perfect example, Um,

949
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: I bought some property in Canton, Texas, which is about

950
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: fifty five minutes. I said of Dallas, I absolutely adored

951
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: my girl Tracy, who you've had on your show, and

952
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: she loved you to life. She absolutely a doors. And

953
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: this where we're building, we called a conclusion out not

954
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: at home, but it's the conclusion the end of the

955
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: road for that. That's what we're gonna end up. And

956
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: we both of y'all look like y'all your thirties though.

957
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: That's what's making me mad. Well, we were trying to

958
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: We had a high school baseball game and I took

959
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: most members of the team to this piece of property

960
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: that I owned in nine acre Lake, I mean acreage,

961
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting up there with the guys in a circle,

962
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: and I'm teaching them about life and property. I say, see,

963
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Somebody could go out there

964
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: and buy a Rosewort's Phantom, which is gonna be four

965
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty maybe half a million dollars. Times you

966
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: drive the car off a lot of depreciates and now

967
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: that's what you're dealing with. Then it's a new um

968
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: car come out next year. People want that. It's a

969
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: new one. So your car constantly depreciates. Now you can

970
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: buy this property for the same cost, and not only

971
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: will it appreciate, but now you get it to the

972
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: point where I'm winning it down to my son. Then

973
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: he's keeping it in the family for his son, and

974
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: it constantly appreciates and you can enjoy it year after

975
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: year after year. And just teaching them a little things

976
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: like that that we don't think about, and no one

977
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: teaches us. And that's a big thing, because you know,

978
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: I was talking to a gentleman in Houston and he's

979
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: throwing a documentary on black farmers how they're losing their

980
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: land because the younger generation they see the land as

981
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: they don't see the value in the land and they

982
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: just sell it. And so like farmers alluding the property.

983
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: But that as they always said, God's not making more earth. Okay,

984
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: he's not making more land. We'll see. That's why. That's

985
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: why I love you, my brother, because I mean and

986
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: you downplay it because you're a humble person. But the

987
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: times that I've called you for advice on the next

988
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: move for a career, I mean you're looking at it

989
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: as you're looking at it as a person who's been there,

990
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: done that, a person who is not just looking at

991
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: his own come up but looking at me and saying, Okay,

992
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: for you, this is what's best for you. But we

993
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: can talk about those type of things because we have

994
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: that type of relationship. But oftentimes men, men of color

995
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: and men of status, we never even conversate with each

996
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: other because you're so busy competings. And that's ignorant. That's true.

997
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: You've never been that way, and I appreciate you for it.

998
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: And can I be? Can I be? And that's why

999
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: because because a person like you, who I followed your

1000
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: entire career. And before we go to the next breaker,

1001
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: I want to talk about how did you because you see,

1002
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: Brandon is the word just thrown around by every body.

1003
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: Everybody got a brand, everybody said they are a brand,

1004
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: but prime time, how did you figure it out? Because man,

1005
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: you're a legend. Dude, your a legend. I look at

1006
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: the NFL combines, I look at those players call you

1007
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: or Sunday nights on your show. They all know to

1008
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: who you are, and that means that you're very relevant

1009
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: to the modern day player. And a lot of players

1010
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: can't do that, they can't feel how they can just

1011
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: still be themselves and relatable. But Prime Time, the branding machine,

1012
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: is very relatable. Why well, First and foremost, I think

1013
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: people are crazy and they understand that it's not October,

1014
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: it ain't Halloween. They know who's trick or tree nine days,

1015
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: and they know what's real. They know it's any way,

1016
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: and they know when I talked to them, when I

1017
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: articulate myself to them, it's no motives. There's nothing behind

1018
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: the curtains that I'm trying to get garnage from them,

1019
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: because I have means and I have ways. But this

1020
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: is all started in college. Man. I played the position

1021
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: that wasn't handsomely plaid, and I I forfeited opportunities to

1022
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: played professional baseball out of high school because I rolled

1023
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: the dice on myself. That's something that I don't bet

1024
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,959
Speaker 1: in Vegas, but I'm gonna bet on Prime all day long.

1025
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: So I said, you know what, I'm gonna go to

1026
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: college and play this football thing because my goal and

1027
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: my dream is to retire my mama for the rest

1028
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: of her life. And once this a yeah, once this

1029
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: agent showed me the finances that a cornerback commands in

1030
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: the NFL, I was upset. I was sad because I'm

1031
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: started reflecting. I started to reflect on the opportunities that

1032
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 1: I passed out of high school, but did not start

1033
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: thinking about, Okay, uh, this type of money that they're

1034
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: paying defense. Hold that thought, man, hold that thought. We're

1035
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: gonna have more on how the Prime time came about

1036
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: in college on our next break with Dion Sanders. We'll

1037
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: be right back with more from Marsan McDonald. The money

1038
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: making conversations don't touch that doubt. I just reshall McDonald,

1039
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: you're listening to money making conversations. And before we left,

1040
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: I was talking to my mad man, Dean Standers, and

1041
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: he was telling us about the evolution of prime Time. Now, Dion,

1042
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: you were saying that you could have played baseball straight

1043
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: out of high school pro baseball, but you opted to

1044
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: play football at the defensive back position for the Florida State.

1045
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: Then you got with your agent, you realize how much

1046
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: money was being made and that the and the evolution

1047
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: of prime Time started to evolved. Talk to us about that. Well,

1048
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: let me show it down. It was agents trying to

1049
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: solicit me up until my sophomore years, so they knew,

1050
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: um I was I was going to be a baseball

1051
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: player as well as a football player, so they were

1052
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: soliciting me early. Um and one happened to send me

1053
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: the status of how much defense backs made in the NFL,

1054
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: and I was alarmed that they were one of the

1055
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: worst paid positions. Didn't really upset me, so I really

1056
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: sat down. Now you gotta understand. In five I came

1057
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: to Florida State with a fire bird with the front

1058
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: license take to said prime time, right, I tell was

1059
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: my nickname out of high school. So I already had

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00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: a demoniker. So now it was just enacting it and

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: really marketing that and saying to myself, you know what,

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00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: I got to create something that surpasses any defensive back

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00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: in the game because I got the goods, So now

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00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta give you the drama in the

1065
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: game and the intellect and the savviness and the sponsaneity.

1066
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: And I said in my dormitory room with a black

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00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: book and wrote down probably about fifty quotes that I

1068
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: would say after the game, and I memorized. It was

1069
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: like if I had a great game, they said, I

1070
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, I'm the best thing since Peter.

1071
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: But the jelly Baby, I thought y'all knew and those

1072
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: things would go national. So now this this added attention,

1073
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: and now they were getting you much more than just

1074
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: a defense back. There was getting someone over the entertainer,

1075
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: someone of a person who would command people to come

1076
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: see and play, whether they hated them or loved them.

1077
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: And that's what prime time the brand had came and

1078
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: I just materialized in my dormatory room in college. But

1079
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: now nobody hated you that, I'll tell you them. When

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00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: it came of returning punts, using teams opposing teams, then

1081
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: they respected you. I'm gonna just tell you something, man,

1082
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: because everybody wanted you on their team. Now it was

1083
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: fear see see, I'm just when I used to watch

1084
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: you because I was I'm from Texas and I was

1085
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: just watching this this this guy just just doing some

1086
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 1: things that I've never seen before, with style, with articulation,

1087
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, and and and then we did the high step,

1088
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, going in the end zone with the touchdown.

1089
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: When did that come about? What was the evolution of

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: man that seven years old playing by the fourth Myners

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00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: Rebels and Fort Myers. Lord Man, that mean you know

1092
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: that that's what That's what Walter Payton did when he

1093
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: was when he was in the pros and we grew

1094
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: up watching him. But that's that's the thing that we emulated.

1095
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: Then we got an the end Zone and we did

1096
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: the Billy Ray she was Johnson way back in the day.

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00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean we we danced because it was a happy

1098
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: time in life and a happy moment and we knew

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00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: that no one in my family matriculated to college. Man,

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00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,479
Speaker 1: no one went to college. That wasn't even a thought.

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00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: So being the first and being someone that said, you know,

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00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out here because the only thing was

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01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: getting us out was the Armed forces or job corps.

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01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,479
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that's or jail, that's what people

1105
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: was leaving to go to. And it tripped me out.

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: Someone was getting ready to go to prison for twenty

1107
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: years and they're throwing them a party in the crew.

1108
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 1: That's wrong with ain't going to jail. That's and that's

1109
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: just all that kind of stuff to change my life,

1110
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: and it just changed the whole thought process that I

1111
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: gotta get up out of here. Now. This is the focus. Now,

1112
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: your legend in so many ways. First of all, the

1113
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: forty second time at the NFL Combine. You know, I know,

1114
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: John Raws supposedly broke your record against what whatever. Okay,

1115
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: you were able to run that fat and become a

1116
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Now, the thing I love about you

1117
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: is that you talked about Billy White, Hu Johnson. I

1118
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: knew the little chicken wing leg. But players are still

1119
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 1: doing deprived time stroll in the end zone. See See

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Speaker 1: that's what I know why you're still relevant because people, people,

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01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: the players still understand that they can communicate with you.

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01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: And it shows every time at the NFL Combine like this,

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01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: every time a player came over you, whether it was

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01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: white or black, they knew they could relax and talk

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Speaker 1: like I would say, real to Deon. Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: That's that's correct because I'm there to give them, to

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01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: to give to them, to make the support them, to

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Speaker 1: encourage them. And a lot of players that I'm fond

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01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: of that I meet. For the first time, I came

1130
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: to myself, man, if you got a problem, man call me.

1131
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: Man called me before the house, catch on fire man,

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01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: I want you to call me when you thank you

1133
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: smell smoke so I could help you get up out

1134
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: of that. You said, yeah, yeah, I just I just

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01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: love these kids, man, and I don't want them to

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01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: make the same mistakes I made because there was no

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Speaker 1: communication or conversation. Because when you reach that level, no

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01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: one wants to help you, No one wants to talk

1139
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: to you, and then you can't turn to your family members.

1140
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: They've ever been nowel right, I mean, how are you

1141
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: gonna tell me about how to how to balanced this

1142
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: check book and how to how to understand what I

1143
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: need to purchase and what I don't need the purchase

1144
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: And you ain't never had none, I don't. It was

1145
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: no one to talk to in your family because you're

1146
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: supporting the entire family and friends. Now that's that goes

1147
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: back to what was saying. Is that is that you

1148
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: have to have a supporting group around you that not

1149
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: only believe in your brand, but that you can trust.

1150
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: How did you come about developing that strong support base

1151
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: that that protects you but also advises you but also

1152
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: to challenge you. But foolish mistakes. I made some idiotic mistakes,

1153
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: and you learned from trial and Rorum. I had a

1154
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: gentleman that that blessed me that passed away a few

1155
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: years ago, named Eugene Parker African American Agents, one of

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01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: the powerhouse agents in the game. And Eugene and I

1157
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: met um when I was still in college, and he

1158
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: oversaw my entire career. He was always saved, always went

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01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: home to his wife, always was a man of God,

1160
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: always a good person. And he allowed me to develop

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01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: into what I am now. But he never pushed me,

1162
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: never shoved me, because he know he would have been

1163
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: too premature. So he let me get a lot of

1164
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: things out of my system. But also he would guide me.

1165
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: The thing about a cut man in the corner and

1166
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: a coach in the corner. In the boxing man, she's

1167
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: telling you left, right, left, right, But when you get hit,

1168
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: all that stuff throws you off. And I was hit

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01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: a few times, you know, by some nonsense that I

1170
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: didn't expect. But he was always there telling me um

1171
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: what was right and what was wrong. So I really

1172
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: had no catastrophic um ignorance in my life. I had

1173
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: some bull jump that I can't control that divorces and

1174
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: all that kind of message, Well that's just being a man.

1175
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: And foolish living. But altogether I kind of kept it

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01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: on the road. I want to talk about Prime five.

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01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: That's a twenty one million dollar fundraising initiative that was well.

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01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: Tell us more about that. Love it man. Man, you

1179
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: gotta understand, man, poverty is running rapid in n in

1180
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: the cities. Man, and and and we got to have

1181
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: comfort hintsive individualized lutions. Man and I constructed this thing

1182
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: called Private Prime five with the Coping Family, the Cope Network.

1183
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: It's called Stand Together. That's the who oversees it. These organizations, Man,

1184
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: the tackle poverty from different angles. We deal with chronic unemployment,

1185
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: family breakdown, addiction and trauma, personal debt, educational failure, and

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01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: these type of things run rapid in our inner cities. Man.

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01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: And I've got a collected group. We raised the twenty

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01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: one million. We already over halfway there, and we're funding

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01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: um different groups around the inner city that's been doing

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Speaker 1: it for years. We're just giving them the resources, the structure,

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01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: the mentors and everything, um so they can have a

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01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: scalable impact on society in these inner cities. And we're

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01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: tackling the poverty at every angle. Man, We're gonna do it.

1194
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: We're doing well. I love what we're doing. I love

1195
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: to see the smiles on the people's faces. I love

1196
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: being able to do something for someone that cannot even

1197
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: reciprocate the gesture. That's who I am with Shanna. You

1198
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: know that. And I love the life I live, and

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Speaker 1: I live the life I love. And then that's why

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Speaker 1: I love about the whole to bring you on the show,

1201
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: because people need to see so many layers and so

1202
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: many layers of individual like you as an entertainer. You know,

1203
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: and you're so you're so relevant and you're so current.

1204
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: But I just looked Prime five. It's who he is.

1205
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: And I'm just telling you, guys, is that is that

1206
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: he knows me Every every couple of years, I let's

1207
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,959
Speaker 1: go do a television show. He shot, Uh, we're gonna

1208
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: tape the show at and Dallas is your home. And

1209
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: you're giving back and and and and I you know,

1210
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: and and I'm gonna keep coming because you wanted you

1211
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: want to endless people, endless people. And because he can cook,

1212
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: can cool, he could dance, he can wrap. You know,

1213
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: he has an endless you know, one of those black

1214
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: don't crack people. You know what I'm saying, and now

1215
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: now he's with Tracy, so buff of us should be

1216
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: on the talk show together. So I'm just putting the

1217
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: world out there because I'm gonna tell Tracy, Tracy, I'm coming.

1218
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm coming for you and d you need to stop

1219
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: putting all that good looking fools on social media. Man,

1220
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stay fine, I'm trying to stay fit,

1221
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: and every time I look at one of those pictures

1222
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: that you have cooked up something, Benny Clark ain't got

1223
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: nothing on you. You gotta stop. Man. This is what

1224
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. Man, This we're gonna do. Man, We're

1225
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: gonna go to the NFL network. Me and you gonna

1226
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: do a cooking and bacon show. Look at the NFL

1227
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: network because all these football players can cook and bake,

1228
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go from city to city and take

1229
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Speaker 1: a show, me and you hosting. Brother, you're gonna be

1230
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: cooking and barbecue and I'm gona be baking. That's what

1231
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna do for NFL Network. I'm gonna be eating

1232
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: everything you cook. But we just do that. We're gonna

1233
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: do it. A thank you for coming on this show. Man.

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01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: Tell Tracy, how hey, brother, you know how I feel

1235
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: about you, man, that one at all time, Great Dion Sanders.

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01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more from Marsan McDonald and

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Speaker 1: money Making Conversations. Don't touch that, don Hi. Just from

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01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: Sean McDonald hosting money Making Conversation. That's half for my

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01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: next guest. She is an award winning content and branding expert.

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01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: She's hell senior leadership roles at ESPN, Ebony, Harper's Bazaar Team,

1241
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: People Essence, Honey Magazine. She is currently the Chief content

1242
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: Officer for Degrio, a leading digital media brand that serves

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01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: the African American audience. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations, Amy,

1244
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: your boys on net. I know you're in California. I

1245
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: appreciate you getting up, Amy, but you know, but you

1246
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: were used to this early relationship. We used this early

1247
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: relationship in Chicago. We have our weekly breakfast meetings and

1248
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So this is awesome. Yes, sir, this

1249
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: is like a continuation. I appreciate you so much, Roshan.

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01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: I am more than happy to be to be with

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01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: you in continuing our our conversations that we keep that

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01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: we've been having for years. Thank you. Here's the great thing.

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Speaker 1: Let me just tell you how we met, because I

1254
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: consider her a visionary. And when you when we finished

1255
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: these two breaks, you understand why I called her visionary.

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01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: We met when she was at Ebony and she was

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Speaker 1: shooting the cover she invited Steve Harvey, Monique and Chris

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Speaker 1: Rock to be on the cover of Ebony magazine. When

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Speaker 1: you look at that and you look at where they

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Speaker 1: are today, that's a visionary movie. If I ever heard one.

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Speaker 1: Trying to get those three people on the same cover today,

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Speaker 1: I think it's impossible. I will never forget that cover too.

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Speaker 1: That was that was quite a day, I will say that.

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01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: But you were not smiling that day. You were not smiling.

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Speaker 1: That was. That was quite a day. Result that we

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: bet that have to save that one, that story for

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01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: another another conversation. But that just shows you that. And

1268
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: I bring that up because you know, the city sit down.

1269
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: It's all about putting the right pieces together and then

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01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: having a lasting effect on the not only the readers,

1271
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: but the community. And to see that you put these

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: three people on that that magazine covers book magazine still

1273
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: sits on my coffee table in my basement because it's

1274
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: special for me because the fact that these three people

1275
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: are so powerful today in their own right, in their

1276
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: own way. They're affecting the community and sold so many

1277
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: different ways, from Oscar Winners too, to the Steeds being

1278
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: the face of daytime television and Chris Rock, you know,

1279
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: commanding the enormous salaries of hosting the Oscars. You know,

1280
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: it's just amazing that the division that you've seen, and

1281
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, Monique of course Oscar winner, and also questioning

1282
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: the way African American women are being paid in the

1283
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 1: in the media as well as by these industry professionals

1284
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: when you compare to non African American leaders out there

1285
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: and who are in the same entertainment fields. And just

1286
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: me know that, I gotta tell you a visionary keep winning, Okay,

1287
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: keep winning. I gotta put that out there for you

1288
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: upfront before we're really get into detail about who you are. Well,

1289
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate that that was that was you know,

1290
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: that was a comedy to the first ever comedy issue

1291
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 1: and it was the cover of my of the redesign, right,

1292
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: so that was the first time. Yeah, I ben't have

1293
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: been redesigned in sixty eight years, so you know, I'll

1294
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: never forget that day. And I'm so proud of the

1295
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: work that we were able to accomplish an everyone and

1296
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: me and my my brilliant team. Magazine making or media

1297
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: in general, it is a it is a team effort

1298
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: because when you was there, it was you was handling

1299
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: both the jet as well as the I was not

1300
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: I was jet magazine was still published and used that

1301
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: ebony right exactly exactly, So you know, I redesigned, um

1302
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: the magazine, I relaunched the website. UM yeah, and it

1303
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: was it was a really exciting time. You know, Black

1304
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: media is so crucial and you know, it's it's it's

1305
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 1: been crucial, and it's even more crucial now. I mean,

1306
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to be into thousand and eighteen and

1307
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: have black media be even more important now because as

1308
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we have been and we still

1309
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: are historically underrepresented. Our perspective is historically underrepresented. Positive images

1310
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: of African Americans are are you know still I mean,

1311
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: they're on the on the increase now, thank god, you know,

1312
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,839
Speaker 1: but they are still um underrepresentative as it relates to

1313
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: to you know, make our mainstream counterparts and so um,

1314
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: it is really critical that we have authentic places where

1315
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: we can go and here our perspective. You know, things

1316
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: you know that are created by us, so you know

1317
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: that they really do represent how we actually feel, what

1318
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 1: we actually look like, what are the issues and concerns

1319
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: that are actually meaningful to our community. And so that's

1320
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: been important throughout all these years, and and you know

1321
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: now it's even more important now that we're in this

1322
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,520
Speaker 1: this age of of you know, attacks on media outlets.

1323
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: We're in this age of class warfare. Um. You know,

1324
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: we're in this age of of you know, I mean,

1325
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say we have you know,

1326
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: I you know, I've said this, I'm gonna say this

1327
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: on your show, and I've said this on national television before,

1328
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: and I mean it, you know, most most emphatically and sincerely.

1329
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: You know, we have a white supremacist in the office.

1330
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: So now that we are in this in this stage

1331
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: where we're really um, you know, to fighting for some

1332
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: basic rights. Um, you know, having having authentic places to

1333
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 1: go where you really do here are our issues and

1334
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: concerns is more important than ever. So Actually I'm really

1335
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: excited right now since I'm in the I'm overseeing the

1336
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 1: grio dot com. So it tell us exactly what is

1337
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: Degrio and why was it such you know, because you

1338
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: all your moves are strategic. You know, That's what I

1339
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: love about you, because there's a reason for why you

1340
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: do things. You know, you said reach, I'm doing this

1341
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: because of this. So tell us about Degree O and

1342
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: why it's important to be a part of their brand

1343
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 1: as over the content. Yes, yes, sir, so. The Grio

1344
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,879
Speaker 1: dot com is a media outlet focused on the issues

1345
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:43,919
Speaker 1: and concerns that are most impactful for the African American community.

1346
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: And we are a black owned UM news outlet UM.

1347
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: You know, so you know that when you come to

1348
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: the Rio dot com, everything that you you see and

1349
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: here is going to be for us, by us basically,

1350
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,759
Speaker 1: So you know, we really folk this on UM top

1351
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: of issues that are meaningful us, meaningful for us. UM.

1352
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: We focus on deep dives on issues and I meaningful,

1353
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: meaningful for us. And we also entertained to I mean,

1354
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: we're not you know, we also have a lot of comedy.

1355
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: We have style, you know, we have lifestyle. I mean,

1356
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 1: we we try to cover so many of the things

1357
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: that black folks care about. UM. And it was really

1358
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: exciting for me to go to this platform because in

1359
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: part because UM you know, it is frankly one of

1360
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: the few black own platforms, UM that you have that

1361
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: that's at scale right now. UM. So it's one of

1362
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: the very few black own platforms where you're gonna see,

1363
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: UM information that's just unsiltered, it's from a black perspective. UM.

1364
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: And also, you know, I really just feel like we're

1365
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: all going to remember what we didn't in in two

1366
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. You know, this is one of those years

1367
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: where everybody will remember what we did in two thousand eighteen.

1368
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,520
Speaker 1: So it was really meaningful for b to be overseeing

1369
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: a platform you know that was really focused on UM,

1370
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: African American perspectives because it is just so critical right now.

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01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: The lem ask you this about when you when you

1372
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: talk about let's say Byron Allen is the owner of

1373
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: the Grill correct correct, and when she says black owned,

1374
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 1: he's the uh who's who's built an amazing entertainment franchise

1375
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: and pick up this digital format, which means it's in

1376
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,799
Speaker 1: a huge digital footprint, allows him to market and brand

1377
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: and also deliver messaging to the audience that he has

1378
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: been dominating over the last decade and a half. And

1379
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: as African Americans now when you but but there's always

1380
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: a journey to get there. Like, let's talk about your

1381
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: book that is roughly about ten years old, and and

1382
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: why is the book everybody? The title of the book,

1383
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: Get Yours the Girlfriend's Guy, to happen everything you ever

1384
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: dreamed and more. That book that you wrote when your

1385
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: son was about six months old? Why is it relevant today?

1386
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: And then we gon go into details is why I

1387
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: was so impressed by and why people should go get

1388
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: that book because I bought the book, all right, so

1389
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: you can go get the book. I bought it on

1390
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: my kindle right now, so you can buy about okay,

1391
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: So I'm just later, but it's not the book. You know,

1392
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: you can talk about a book. Go you go look

1393
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: it up and go it ain't I mean existed, no more.

1394
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: You gotta buy the way ebate, No, no, you right

1395
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: now and get this book, Get Yours the Girlfriend's Guy,

1396
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: having Everything you ever dreamed and more about Amy Borne.

1397
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: So tell us why that book is important and why

1398
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: it resonates ten years ago it was important, why it

1399
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: resonates today? You know I wrote that book, um for

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01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: a few different reasons, right. I wrote it in part

1401
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: as a love letter to my mother right, because my

1402
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: mother was an incredibly impressive person. She passed away in

1403
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: ninety two, but she was a role model for me.

1404
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: So I I processed after she passed away a lot

1405
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: of the lessons that she that she passed down, And

1406
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: I also wrote that book, UM, you know, frankly, because

1407
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: I was making so many mistakes in my life, you know,

1408
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: I was really she just making mistake after mistake. And

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01:15:55,720 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: I wanted to to talk to other women in right

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01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: about success and about happiness, and about goals and about passion.

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01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 1: And I wanted to share some of my stories. I

1412
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: wanted to share some of my stories about my mother,

1413
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: and I also want to share some of the mistakes

1414
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: that I made and the lessons that I learned, and

1415
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: the ways that I thought that that other women could

1416
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: could appreciate those lessons and learn from them so that

1417
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: either they don't make the same mistakes in their lives,

1418
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: or they make the same miss sake, make the same

1419
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: mistakes with with joy and passion, and learn from them

1420
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: as I did. You know. So I think it's it's

1421
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: relevant to um, you know, to be able to you

1422
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: have lessons, you know, for women who are starting out

1423
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: in their journeys women in their twenties and thirties and

1424
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: I have women in their fourties and fifties read the book. Um,

1425
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 1: but just you know, to to really think about the

1426
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: ways that we're starting off in life and to make

1427
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: sure that you're living in a way that's that's your own,

1428
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, the stay independent, and that you're honoring your

1429
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: own goals and passions, and that you're not just you know,

1430
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: making decisions based on how other people perceived your life

1431
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: for what they want from you, but that you're really

1432
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: thinking about what you want and your happiness and your goals,

1433
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: you know. And but the cool thing about it, though,

1434
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: is that you have a plan in this book though

1435
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you have a little quiz. You

1436
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: take this little quiz and every chapter if you pass

1437
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: the test, you at this level. And then you have

1438
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: these you know, do you have these little pages where

1439
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 1: you could write little notes? No, I'm just telling this

1440
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: book was off the chack. I'm talking about where my book.

1441
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm mad? Now, I'm mad? Where my book at? Where's

1442
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: the Man's Guy? The over last thing happened is now

1443
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 1: you got the girlfriends to write it. Now you know

1444
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: you need to get on the deal, because this is

1445
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: the deal. Okay. First of all, you know, here's a

1446
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: young lady I had breakfast with every day for three years, right,

1447
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: three years, every week, every week. I didn't know. I

1448
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: remember Megan Side five, right. I gotta read her book

1449
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: and realize she's a member of DELT. The statement thing,

1450
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: we did you talk about this? We talk about this? No? No,

1451
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: you know you got to read the book to find

1452
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 1: out the history of this young lady. Now here's here's

1453
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: why this book. Because I was talking to my production

1454
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: manager coming over this morning. I was telling her about

1455
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: the book and letting her know why this book was

1456
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: so cool. Because in each chapter, she also interviews a

1457
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: celebrity or entrepreneur, and she interviewed ten years ago. I

1458
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: would love to see you re interview these people. Here's

1459
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: some of the people ten years ago that she interviewed,

1460
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: Gabrielle Union. When you love to hear gabriel you can

1461
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: read her prospective ten years ago and where Gabriel Union

1462
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: is today. So now, Lathan Venus Williams, can you imagine

1463
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: for Vinius william ten years ago and when she's saying

1464
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: ago and what she said that Kelly Rowlands, Monique Okay,

1465
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 1: what you liked? What got to say now versus what

1466
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 1: she said ten years ago? I'm I'm telling you this

1467
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: book was off this, off the chain, Gail King. Gail King.

1468
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: That's way before she was the host of CBS. You

1469
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: know when she really broke out of that. I want

1470
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: to just say shadow or Oprah, you know, because you

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01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: know I loved it, like meddling the Hopson. Okay, if

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Speaker 1: everybody aerial investment, somebody needs to google, you need to

1473
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: google Twitter. One billion dollars running that female aerial investment

1474
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Speaker 1: out of Chicago. These are the people. Then she slipped

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Speaker 1: up and put a man in there here Harper, here, Happer,

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Speaker 1: What do you gotta say teen years ago and what

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Speaker 1: he's doing today? When we come back, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: more to say about this book because and also about

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Speaker 1: the Grio, because Amy, you are a special girl. I

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 1: know you didn't expect all this to come out. Sean

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Speaker 1: McDonald's done his research. I did ain't practice with you,

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01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: but now I know who you are. We'll be right

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01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: back with more from Rashan McDonald and money making conversations.

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Speaker 1: But don't touch that down, Hi, this is Rashan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to money making conversation on the phone. I

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Speaker 1: have the chief car tent officer for the Grio, the

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Speaker 1: leading digital media brand that serves the African American audience.

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Speaker 1: She's on the phone Amy the boys on that I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to her. I might say, I'm grilling her about

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Speaker 1: this fantastic book Get Yours, and I bought on Kindle

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Speaker 1: because it's still available. Get Yours The Girlfriend's Guy to

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Speaker 1: hav An, Everything You Ever Dreamed and more. And it's

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Speaker 1: a book that I let me just tell you what

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about when I read the book and then

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01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: and knowing I was going to talk to you this

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01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: on Monday, was the fact that to be able to

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Speaker 1: look at something that's so topical and then and I

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01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 1: hope you hear my passion in and Amy about your

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Speaker 1: book and the fact that I hope you do and

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Speaker 1: you might might might have already had it in the

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01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: works to go back and revisit some of these very

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01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,799
Speaker 1: topical and the word uh and because you have quizzes

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01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 1: in there, it's it's amazing the thought process that you

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01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 1: put into this book. Well, I I appreciate that you know,

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01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to make it something that was like entertaining,

1506
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm talking about stories, you know, stories

1507
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: in my life, stories happened to my friends, you know,

1508
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: just just real, real, actual things that went down and

1509
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 1: the lesson that we learned from this. I wanted to

1510
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: make it entertaining, but I also wanted to make it informative,

1511
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: So I tried to include some tips for how to

1512
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: really live your life with passion and purpose and make

1513
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: sure that you are moving to a goal that makes

1514
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: sense for you. So I tried to include tips that

1515
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: you could do today, this year, and forever. Why were

1516
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: the interviews important, like them gabriel Union's Annihilate in Venus,

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01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: William Kelly, Rowan, Monique Gayle King, Melody Hopson, Here Hopper Police,

1518
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 1: Courtney Sloan, Sarah Jones, Indy Ari. Why were these interviews

1519
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: important to the book? You know, I think that hearing

1520
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: my perspective, you know, is great, But I also think

1521
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: that people people want to hear the perspectives of the

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01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: folks that day and myer. I mean, that's just you know,

1523
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 1: that's just a human nature. And bottom line, you you

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01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: want to know what Gabrielle Union says about the topic,

1525
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: You know, you want to hear from Hill Harper. You're

1526
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: just curious, and these are people who you see on

1527
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 1: TV or in the movies, or you know, they also

1528
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: have their own books, etcetera. And it's interesting to to

1529
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,879
Speaker 1: have somebody interview them on topics that are that are relevant.

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01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 1: So I just thought that it would be um, you know,

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01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 1: just that much more resonant entertaining to have you know,

1532
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: the folks that that people admire. You're talking a little

1533
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: bit about some of the things I touched on the books,

1534
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: and here's some of the chapters. Who's gonna go and

1535
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: talk about some of the chapters. I thought they were important.

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01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: Embrace fear as growth. I think that a lot of

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01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: people make that mistake. I always tell people if it's uncomfortable,

1538
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: if a change in your life is uncomfortable, I always

1539
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: tell people that's a good thing, yes exactly. That That's

1540
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: one of the main things that I talked about when

1541
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: I give speeches, when I talk to people just in general,

1542
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: my in my daily daily life. I'm always always talking

1543
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: about the fact that you cannot possibly be the person

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01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 1: that you're meant to be if you stay within your

1545
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: comfort zone. You're the only way that you know that

1546
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 1: you are growing. And the only way that you know

1547
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: that you are becoming everything you can be, everything that

1548
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: you're meant to be, is if you step outside of

1549
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: that comfort zone. If you if you take some residents,

1550
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: and that's going to mean that you're gonna be afraid.

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01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: If you're not afraid, you are not growing. You are

1552
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 1: not everything that you are meant to be if you

1553
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: are not a little bit afraid. And this is a

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01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: young lady, and this is a young lady who went

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01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: to Ireland. I'm just telling you right not France. My

1556
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:24,520
Speaker 1: friends was just sexy. You're at sexy in France and

1557
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 1: she went to Ireland. My friends was that They were

1558
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,560
Speaker 1: like wait now, hold up now, so the black population

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01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: is like point zero zero. You want nothing, pant nothing,

1560
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: point nothing. Maybe you get down to London. There in London,

1561
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 1: Why not London, I'm going to Ireland, you know. And

1562
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: that is really embracing your fear as growth right there.

1563
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: That was kind of that was fantastic because because that's

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01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: what people don't do. People cookie is just some people

1565
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: still stay in the neighborhood. They don't even get on

1566
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 1: the bus to go downtown. People don't even know that

1567
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: there are other parts of the city. They don't know

1568
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: about suburbs. And that's what that's what you just saying.

1569
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: Look at me, A little African American girl said, you

1570
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: know something, I'm going to go to Ireland. Everybody looked

1571
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 1: at you, going, you're crazy. You go, why why am

1572
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: I crazy? Because I want to see another part of

1573
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: the world, experience another slice of life. And guess what

1574
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: that is? What makes you today fearless? When I when

1575
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: I read all these opportunities you've had at ESPN, Harper's

1576
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: Bizarre Team, Honey Essence ebone, that means that you are

1577
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 1: not afraid. And a lot of people stay in the

1578
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: same position creatively or professionally because they're afraid. Right right,

1579
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: It's true, and it's interesting, you know, moving around, um

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01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, two different, two different career opportunities. It does,

1581
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, it does require a certain amount of I

1582
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,600
Speaker 1: don't say fearlessness because I don't really consider myself to

1583
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: be fearless. You are. It's not you know what, It's

1584
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: not because I have I have fear. It's it's it's

1585
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: it's that I recognize that I need the fear in

1586
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: order to keep going if I'm not afraid, but I'm

1587
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: not really on this this journey that I'm talking about

1588
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: being on, and I'm on a journey. I'm I'm on

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01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,440
Speaker 1: a journey to become a better person, a better executive,

1590
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: a better representative, better representatives. Can you imagine just how

1591
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: we talked to breakfast over eggs? You know, kids, it

1592
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: will get cold, it will get cold, and we go, well,

1593
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: argue about who's gonna pay I paid this time? No,

1594
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: you paid? I paid you to stop? You know, you

1595
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: always paid you. She would always put it out there, girl,

1596
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: you need to stop talking to me. You get where

1597
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 1: I got this. Now, here's another chapter that I loved

1598
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: about be true to yourself. Yes, yes, well you know

1599
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: what you know, especially I think women, you know, we

1600
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: are subject to a lot of conversation about who we

1601
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: should be, what we should do. People have some preconceived

1602
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: notions about where we should be at our lives at

1603
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 1: any given time. Girl, you should be this, you should

1604
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: be married, you should be this down the third you

1605
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: should have kids to set it out whatever. You know

1606
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. And as a woman, I have to say,

1607
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's just it's kind of annoying,

1608
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, And so I always think, and it's you know,

1609
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: I say annoying. It's annoying. I'm saying that lightly, but

1610
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 1: but it's annoying because anytime you let other people tell

1611
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 1: you what to do, who to hang out was what's

1612
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: aware how to think, you are not living for your

1613
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: own purpose. You are not moving towards the things that

1614
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: make you truly happy at the end of the day.

1615
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: This life is your life. And and that's that's something

1616
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: that I learned kind of very early on in my

1617
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: very early twenties. You know that nobody can crawl inside

1618
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 1: your skin and live your life for you. I mean,

1619
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,759
Speaker 1: it's it's a kind of a terrifying notion, right because

1620
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: really you are alone. At the end of the day,

1621
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 1: you're alone. But it's also the most empowering thing in

1622
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: the world, because this is your life. This is your life.

1623
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: No matter how much somebody loves you admires you, they

1624
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: cannot crawl inside your skin and live your life for you.

1625
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: So because of that, you have to understand that this

1626
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: journey is really yours, and so you might as well

1627
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: do the things that make you happy, not the things

1628
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: that some else is telling you should make you happy.

1629
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: And I think that's important to hear because of the

1630
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: fact that you know it might be doing something for

1631
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: somebody that might make you happy for five years, ten years,

1632
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 1: But what is that final journey that has to be

1633
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: the vision that you want to take. That's one that

1634
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: has to be the door that you want to open,

1635
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: and that's important. I'm gonna right off the rest of

1636
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: the chapter because I want to people really understand what

1637
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: you're doing over degreell Chapter three, realize your value and

1638
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 1: demand the best. Chapter four, put into the universe what

1639
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: you want to get back, which is amazing. You got

1640
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: as a must ree chapter for me. Have integrity, Uh,

1641
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 1: stay independent? You hear of oars. You know she's independent.

1642
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: Come on now, you don't go to Ireland being a follower.

1643
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 1: She's an independent person and who's fearless. By the way,

1644
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 1: do something meaningful every day, which I thought was amazing

1645
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: because I keep hearing that over and over from every

1646
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: successful person that you got to give back, that you

1647
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: have to represent it. Your your value is not always

1648
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: representing in dollars, is about who you can help, your

1649
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: commitment to the community, your commitment to the world. And

1650
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: you do it everywhere, and you do and you give

1651
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: back in so many different ways. This book is to

1652
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: give back to me what you do as represented as

1653
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 1: an African American female, as a single mom. All those

1654
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 1: things have been amazing for your role in your approach

1655
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: to being successful. Now, when you take all these values

1656
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: and you bring them to the grill, how do you

1657
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: make your your your natural values relatable to the masses

1658
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: at Degrell? Oh, well, thank you, At. I appreciate you

1659
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: so much, you know, UM. And I think that that

1660
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, my values are are the values of our

1661
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: community in so many ways. And I don't really separate

1662
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: myself from from the way that that that you know,

1663
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 1: we think. I mean, we are survivors, We are tenacious, um,

1664
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm I'm really excited to be able

1665
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: to you know, take that kind of tenacity and um

1666
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: you know, and UM and strength you know, and make

1667
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: sure that degree it is representing us. I do think

1668
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: that there are some things as a community, you know,

1669
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 1: that we need to keep moving toward. UM. And I

1670
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: think one of those is is certainly um taking risks

1671
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: I think, UM and stepping outside of our our comfort zone,

1672
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: you know. So I think that is one thing, um

1673
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: that throughout my career, you know, especially when I've been

1674
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: um at media brands that target African Americans, which is

1675
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: the bocal my career. I've definitely tried to to have

1676
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: conversations with my readers or users UM about ways that

1677
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: we can step outside of our comfort zones and the

1678
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: benefits of that. Do we see do you do you see?

1679
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: Do I see conferences coming out of this relationship with

1680
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: Degree O uh? Motivational conferences, the conferences that focus on women,

1681
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: African American women are success stories. I definitely think that

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