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Speaker 1: And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to you and That's what You're Really missed podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's time for another Charty take episode, and this one

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Speaker 3: is about.

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Speaker 2: Awards.

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Speaker 1: It's Awards season.

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Speaker 2: I love Awards season. Do I love it and I

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Speaker 2: hate it? M I love it. I mean, we're in

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Speaker 2: the heart of it right now, right we are there.

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Speaker 2: The Grammys just happened, Golden Globes happened, the Oscars are coming,

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Speaker 2: the SAG Awards, now, the Actor Awards.

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Speaker 3: I hate it.

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Speaker 2: It feel so pretentious. It's the Actor Awards.

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Speaker 1: Why do they change it?

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Speaker 2: Who knows? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: But I like these award shows. I like these are

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Speaker 2: to me, the big ones. And I hate to say, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: these are the legitimate ones because it's.

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Speaker 1: All yeah, it's all subject.

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Speaker 2: And you're all campaigning and they're always politics like it's

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Speaker 2: it is. But I do love it. I love an

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Speaker 2: event and I appreciate it, and I think it's because

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Speaker 2: it's about like the world that we operate in, its

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Speaker 2: entertainment industry, and it's yeah, you know what it means

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Speaker 2: for people. I also do think. Let me just say,

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Speaker 2: I do think it's hilarious. And the Tony's come up

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Speaker 2: later this year, but like, I do think it is

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Speaker 2: hilarious for industries that are so small to just like

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Speaker 2: give ourselves awards every like, Like what other industry does that,

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Speaker 2: like multiple every especially Tony's where like it's so small

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Speaker 2: and it's like.

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Speaker 1: It's really funny. You're so right.

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Speaker 2: But that being said, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what your relationship to award shows was prior

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Speaker 1: to having been through a ward show, like through the circuit.

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Speaker 3: From our end on Glee, but like what was that

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Speaker 3: relationship to a ward shows before?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can tell, but growing up obsessed,

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Speaker 2: I think about you, like get the family to sit down,

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Speaker 2: do not talk. The oscars are on.

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Speaker 3: Did you as a kid did you watch most of

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Speaker 3: these or did you try to get into the Theater

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Speaker 3: de Sea most? Or do you just enjoyed like the

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Speaker 3: actual like show itself more than anything.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed the show itself. I enjoyed like the data

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed it didn't matter like the host and the

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Like I was, Yeah, I was like sort of

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Speaker 2: critical of all of it. I loved I.

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Speaker 1: Loved your favorite award show growing up, the Gray.

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Speaker 2: The Grammys and the Oscars, like a billy Crystal Oscars.

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Speaker 2: You know, nothing could beat it. And I loved the speeches.

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Speaker 2: I loved seeing people get up there. And it definitely

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Speaker 2: were you interested in award shows at all?

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Speaker 1: Or was it just I don't really remember.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like a yearly event for me, Like I

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Speaker 3: it wasn't a holiday of any sort. But I I

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Speaker 3: were the other ones. I have to be honest. When

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Speaker 3: we got nominated for the Golden Globe and when we

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Speaker 3: Golden Globes was the first one for us. Right the

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Speaker 3: first nominations, I was like, I don't even know what

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Speaker 3: these are, Like, I don't know, is it movies?

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Speaker 1: Is it TV?

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Speaker 3: Is it it's Bold? And then I'm like, obviously it's TV.

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Speaker 3: But I just like didn't understand. And I also didn't

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Speaker 3: understand like the voting behind it, the Hollywood four and press.

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Speaker 3: When people are like thank you to Hollywood for and present,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, who was that? Like, I didn't understand any

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Speaker 2: It was definitely religious for me.

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Speaker 1: The Tonys were religious. The year that Amney Q went

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Speaker 3: I was like, I get it, but it was just

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Speaker 3: the other side, do you enjoy it the same?

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Speaker 1: Do you enjoy it differently?

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Speaker 2: Like when we got nominated for Golden Gloves. Remember we

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Speaker 1: The rest on the sad and like.

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Speaker 2: I was beside myself. I couldn't believe it. And remember

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Speaker 2: to go to the Golden Globes and like there was

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Speaker 2: But like specifically with the No, it has not made

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. The campaigning of it all is like is.

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Speaker 2: Such an odd game thing and it very much is

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Speaker 3: And for sure, I understand that, and I get that.

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Speaker 3: I think that I needed like a like a memory

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Speaker 1: Think I would appreciate them as much as I do now,

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Speaker 1: Like I didn't appreciate award shows having been through them

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, Really, it's all subjective. It's

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Speaker 3: So I find it difficult sometimes to be like, let's

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Speaker 1: And I always like acceupstance speeches where.

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Speaker 3: You see actors and creatives like just celebrating their team,

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Speaker 2: That's what big shift I had as a kid to now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I find that I forgot what I was going

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Speaker 3: Like I could go back and be like, oh, the Oscars,

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Speaker 2: But I think the other thing too, is like growing up,

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Speaker 2: where you're you're tracking like whole campaigns. Well they won

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Speaker 2: It like just drains the life out of like and

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Speaker 2: like people like, oh, well, you know sinners got nominated,

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Speaker 1: It's a win in itself. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's not to say there are prejudices, and there are

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Speaker 2: absolutely times when things should be getting recognized more, and

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Speaker 2: like we got to keep our foot on the gas, right,

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Speaker 2: but like just being in the conversation, that's it, right.

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Speaker 3: I keep going back to Emmstone's Academy, her speech when

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Speaker 3: what you don't realize is that these actors or creatives

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Speaker 3: that have gotten nominated do a full campaign. Trail press

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Speaker 3: We're doing The Newsies, the nineteen ninety two movie directed

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