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Speaker 1: And welcome to Mondays. They shi a Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: live here on Giants dot Com. Here's Paula Tina, I'm

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Speaker 1: Lance Better good to be with you for the next

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Speaker 1: Amazing Giants prizes. So we'll recap the Senior Bowl, recap

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. Will also get your reaction to those

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Speaker 1: games and look ahead to the Draft as well as

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Speaker 1: the start of the Giants offseason with respect to free

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Speaker 1: agency before more of the draft festivities get underway. So Paul,

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Speaker 1: let's start with the Senior Bowl. And we talked about

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Speaker 1: all of this last week. We knew coming in that

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Speaker 1: the defensive line pass rush position, not just in the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, but in the entire draft class clearly had

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Speaker 1: the most depth, and I think that's well documented and

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Speaker 1: one of my biggest takeaways from the game as well

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Speaker 1: as the week of practices was I think most of

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Speaker 1: those guys did show up, and I think there's potential

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Speaker 1: guys from the smaller programs, such as a Colin Saunders

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Speaker 1: out of Western Illinois, the one that is six two

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Speaker 1: three ten and moves around like he's an acrobat. He

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Speaker 1: certainly I thought, got some good pressure on the opposing quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Actually just had a kid this week, went back and

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Speaker 1: fourth home. The backflips. Back flips is probably what helped

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Speaker 1: major programs, I wouldn't doubt that that skill set can't

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Speaker 1: translate to the next level. Well, let's put it this way, Lance,

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Speaker 1: when these scouts are going to look at these players,

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Speaker 1: they already have some idea, obviously from what they saw

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Speaker 1: during the course of the season, as to what they

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Speaker 1: can expect. But I was always told about these games,

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Speaker 1: these practices, and these All Star games, and also the

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Speaker 1: PG version. Yes, a jackass, if you will during the

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Speaker 1: practices in the games. Now we're moving more in the

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Speaker 1: direction of rated. Okay, okay, unless something like that happens.

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Speaker 1: I've been told that it's very unusual for a pro

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Speaker 1: personnel department to downgrade a player off of his performance

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Speaker 1: at an All Star game or at a combine. Usually

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Speaker 1: review something else from during the course of the season

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Speaker 1: because he intrigues them so much. I've been told that

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Speaker 1: unless again extenuating circumstances occur, the player will never lose

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Speaker 1: profilers messed up, his medical profilers messed up. Rarely, if ever,

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Speaker 1: does a player's play in these situations cost him in

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Speaker 1: his grade, is what I've been told. Well, and that's

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Speaker 1: what it should be like Paul I am in agreement

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Speaker 1: with the scouts perspective. I'm in agreement with your perspective.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, watching that game, I'm also

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Speaker 1: that was a prideful thing for him. He knows how

431
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Speaker 1: how underrated special teams are. God knows, He's played it

432
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Speaker 1: ever since he got into the league, and he has

433
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: made a darn good living at being a good special

434
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Speaker 1: teams player. And to get the recognition to go to

435
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl, you knew that, you know what, he

436
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: was gonna make a good special teams tackle, and he did,

437
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 1: and that was textbook and I was really happy for him,

438
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: just because it allowed him to show everybody, Hey, you

439
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: know what, this is how it's done by the book.

440
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 1: It was and I liked it. And it was his

441
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 1: first Pro Bowl, so you knew Michael Thomas. And he

442
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: even based on the reaction of when he found out

443
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 1: he was going to be a replacement after the Rams

444
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: wound up winning, you could tell he was animated and

445
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 1: he was worked out. That's one take I took. My

446
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,479
Speaker 1: second take was it is pro osterous and ridiculous and

447
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: more ways than one to have guys play out of position.

448
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: To have Zekiel Elliott and say Kwan Blarckley playing defensive

449
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: line for several snaps in this game to Alvin Kamara

450
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 1: as well, really bugged the heck out of me. Okay,

451
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: I get it that you know, Jason Garrett is the

452
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Speaker 1: coach of the Cowboys, and he was coaching the team,

453
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: so you could say, well, he put Ezekiel Elliot out there,

454
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Speaker 1: so I guess it's okay, put his own guy out there. No, No,

455
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: that that's not good. If I'm the Saints, I'm Sean Payton,

456
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 1: I don't want Alvin Kamara playing defensive line. And if

457
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm the Giants. I don't want, say, Kwan Barkley playing

458
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: defensive line in the Pro Bowl either. Okay, If if

459
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Speaker 1: you want to use Elliott as a as a as

460
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, as they did on one of the wildcat plays, fine,

461
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: you want to run one of those running backs outside

462
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: his receiver, they do that in the regular game anyway. Fine,

463
00:23:55,119 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: I don't need those guys playing defensive line. Tie of

464
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: the effort. The tight end for the Bengals about five

465
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: years ago, playing his regular tight end position significantly sprained

466
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Speaker 1: high ankle sprain in one of these Pro Bowl games

467
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: on his ankle, and he was doing what he was

468
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: supposed to do. I don't need to see any of

469
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: these superstar players who take up huge chunks of salary

470
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: cap money, although Barkley not because he's a rookie rookie contract.

471
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Speaker 1: But I don't need to see any of these guys

472
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Speaker 1: get dinged up or nicked up because they're trying to

473
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Speaker 1: mock themselves into somebody else's position. Bad idea. Okay, I'm

474
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm saying it's irresponsible of of Garrett to do

475
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Speaker 1: that to his own running back, never mind somebody else's

476
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Speaker 1: running back. Hey, you want to play defensive line, do

477
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: it in your backyard with your kids playing flag football

478
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: on Father's Day, don't do it down at the Pro Bowl.

479
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: Well my reaction is injuries are gonna happen regardless, So

480
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Speaker 1: I'm not so caught up about the injury factor. I mean,

481
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Speaker 1: you brought up if getting hurt playing his own position.

482
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Speaker 1: You get hurt in week one, you get hurt in

483
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Speaker 1: Week fifteen, you get hurt in the playoffs. You can't

484
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Speaker 1: protect players from getting hurt. It's going to happen. It's

485
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Speaker 1: the nature of the game. I'm an agreement with you

486
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Speaker 1: that those guys should not be put on the defensive

487
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Speaker 1: line just from a competitive state. It makes it more

488
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Speaker 1: of a mockery than it is. And that's to me,

489
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Speaker 1: the more of an argument as to the safety, because

490
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Speaker 1: the bottom line is, I'm sure I have my suspicions. Barkley,

491
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Speaker 1: Zeke and Camera campaigned for Garrett to put them in

492
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Speaker 1: on the defensive line, and he said, sure, have some fun,

493
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna want the Pro Bowl to be

494
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Speaker 1: treated as a serious competitive game, then guys should not

495
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Speaker 1: be playing out of position. It should be treated like

496
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Speaker 1: a normal NFL game. And remember a few years ago,

497
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, there was the threat about we're gonna remove

498
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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. Guys are not taking it seriously, and

499
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Speaker 1: now I feel like we resorted back to what they

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Speaker 1: tried to remove over the last few years because the

501
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: lastew years the game had been competitive. This did not

502
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Speaker 1: have that type of field. So that's my reaction to

503
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Speaker 1: when guys are playing out of position. I'm not worried

504
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Speaker 1: about the injury factor. It's just if you want the

505
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Speaker 1: game to be treated seriously, then guys themselves to be

506
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: playing their own positions and they have to take it seriously.

507
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: How could a fan take it seriously if the guys

508
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Speaker 1: themselves are not taking it seriously. So so I have

509
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: both points. You're agreeing with one of them, that's fine.

510
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: Bottom line is it is an issue. I wrote, by

511
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Speaker 1: the way, the other day, and this good kind of

512
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Speaker 1: goes to what you said. I wrote this yesterday. I

513
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Speaker 1: posted it on Twitter. Uh. For those of you watching

514
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. This level of play is between a

515
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: jog through and a thud practice. These terms are used

516
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: plenty during the year, and now you have a visual

517
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what it was. On some plays. It

518
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: was a jog through on other plays it was a

519
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Speaker 1: thud practice especially, and in some cases it depended upon

520
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Speaker 1: who the player was, you know. Uh. Sometimes you could

521
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: see there were defensive players who simply didn't want to

522
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: hit you at all and just wanted to play touch

523
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Speaker 1: and get the whistle blown and that was the end

524
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Speaker 1: of the play. Then there were other guys who actually

525
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Speaker 1: at least give you a bump that's a thund uh.

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Speaker 1: And then we saw a couple of guys who would

527
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Speaker 1: wrap and release, which is again part of that whole

528
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Speaker 1: thud practice thing. What you saw if you did not

529
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Speaker 1: care for the the taste of football that you saw

530
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: at the Pro Bowl. Folks, Again, that is akin to

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Speaker 1: the jog throughs and the thud practices that we have

532
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: to usually deal with during the course of training camp

533
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: and during the course of the season thanks to the

534
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Speaker 1: new cb A that wanted to play several years ago.

535
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: And so when we tell you that the c b

536
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Speaker 1: A in some ways inhibits the development of players and

537
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: leads to shoddy tackling because they cannot practice their tackling techniques,

538
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: guess what, you now have a visual You now understand

539
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: what it is we're talking about. Well, and here's the

540
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: other thing. Even if the players don't want to necessarily

541
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: go through the motions, the bottom line is they don't

542
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: have another realistic game until the preseason comes around. Paul,

543
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: and god forbid, somebody gets hurt. You got the next

544
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: few months to rest up if you sprain your ankle

545
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be, because you're not gonna get

546
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: back on the field until April when spring workouts begin,

547
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: and even those spring workouts are limited to as you

548
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: just mentioned, so the fear factor should really not be

549
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: in the mindset of the players. To me, you should

550
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: take part in the Pro Bowl if you're gonna treat

551
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: it as a normal game. If not, then you know what,

552
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: they could find the fourth of the fifth guy on

553
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: the replacement chart to take your place. That's how I've

554
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: always felt. Two sor one four five one three is

555
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Speaker 1: the telephon number. Let's open up the phone lines. Hashtag

556
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Speaker 1: giants chat on Twitter. We've got Lloyd in Virginia. Lloyd,

557
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: you're on Big Blue Kick Off Live. What do you

558
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: have for us? Hey? Just to let you know, uh

559
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: oh and long time. They'll talk to fell us. But

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00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: it was Lloyd and Silly Virginia, So okay, I'll be

561
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: keeping track everything from here. How it sounds good? Good

562
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: for you. UM, I wanted to UH. I wanted to

563
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: have a short conversation with you, Paul, because I've been

564
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: listening to Chief for the last couple weeks talk about

565
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins and where he slotted to go, and I

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Speaker 1: I want you to understand, I respect you a lot,

567
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: but I have to respectfully disagree with some of the

568
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: things that you've been saying over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: And it's just that a quarterback is different than any

570
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Speaker 1: other position in the draft, and that best player available

571
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: maybe a defensive end or a defensive tackle, but usually

572
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: the position that goes in the top two is going

573
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Speaker 1: to be a quarterback. It's rare that it's not a

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the top two. And it doesn't matter where

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Speaker 1: they're graded. Um, because we saw the same thing with

576
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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay and Tennessee taking Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota.

577
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: They they were they were rated to be UH taken

578
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: a little bit later, but because they were quarterbacks, because

579
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Speaker 1: of the demand of the position, enfranchise decisions that are

580
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: being made, they always get drafted higher. And I don't

581
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: think that's necessar sarely overdrafting someone. It's just it's even

582
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: the way it isn't when when somebody's contracts up as

583
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Speaker 1: a quarterback position, they usually get paid more than anyone

584
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: else just because they're a quarterback, has nothing to do

585
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: with their stats, um their wins and losses. If if

586
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep them, you gotta pay them this dollar

587
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: amount based off of MBM starter well, because of the

588
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: market value too, right, right, that's what I mean, Thanks

589
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: for that's fine. Yeah, I don't dispute that. It happens

590
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean and really quite frankly too.

591
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: You will sometimes have ownership which will get involved and

592
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: say we need the marquee quarterback, and they'll even tell

593
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: the GM and the personnel guy, Hey, I don't care

594
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: if you've got this guy rated twelve. We got we

595
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: got a pick at eight, and we need a marquee guy.

596
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: We need to sell tickets. So guess what you're picking

597
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: them at eight. That happens to, you know, like the

598
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: selection Jerry Jones is admitted. Jerry Jones admitted he wanted

599
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel with his with his first round pick. The

600
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: year that Manziel came out and it was Stephen jones

601
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: Son who convinced him, No, Dad, we gotta go offensive line.

602
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: You cannot take Johnny Manziel. But Jerry Jones was attracted

603
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: to the ticket sales. He wanted to get the big

604
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: PR move. So that's another reason why these quarterbacks get

605
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: lofted up. Right. So I guess it's not as much

606
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: of a disagreement as I thought. Okay, I just wanted

607
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: to say that if the Giants are sitting at six

608
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Speaker 1: and Haskins is available and they don't take him, I,

609
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: as a fan, I'm going to be disappointed. I know

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00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: Stephen d c is going to be disappointed. I heard

611
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: him call in once and I listened to his his podcast.

612
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: There's a couple of the Giant fans who I know

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00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: having called in yet. Um they haven't talked much because

614
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: it's not quite the off season off season, but for

615
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: for all of the people that I'm listening to, they're

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00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: really high on Dwayne Haskins. I'm looking at his stats

617
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Speaker 1: and I understand he doesn't have the time, and I'm

618
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: thinking the military terms time and service time and grade

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Speaker 1: for what he accomplished for one season. If he did

620
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: that over four seasons, you'd be fighting over him. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we got the six pick. He's kind of fallen into

622
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Speaker 1: our laps, so we'll see. I mean, well, Lloyd, there

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Speaker 1: could be a team that moves up that's very high

624
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Speaker 1: on him, to your point, and grabs him. So, I mean,

625
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: right now, it's all speculative. We have no idea if

626
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: he's even gonna be on the board when the Giants select.

627
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: And in fairness, Lloyd, and I'm not necessarily disagree with

628
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: anything You're thrown out here, there were fans that are

629
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: still irritated over the Giants drafting sa Kwan Barkley last

630
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: year and passing on Sam Donald and some of the

631
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: other guys. So so when you say you're irritated and

632
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of other Giants fans, I could go through

633
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL draft and I can find

634
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: fans that are irritated. You're never going to please America.

635
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: You want to know. I mean, there's no dispute here.

636
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. I mean,

637
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: here's what I will say to you, though, until until

638
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Speaker 1: the draft actually comes down and we find out where

639
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: he goes. Then the reasons for that team, whoever it is,

640
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: decides to take him. Okay, they're going to then have

641
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: to justify to their people and of course their their

642
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: fan base and everything else why they took or didn't

643
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: take him. Every team does that, And of course they

644
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: always tell you our first round pick is the guy

645
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: we wanted all along, because that's the smart thing to say.

646
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: I get that from a marketing perspective, you better say that.

647
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: But what what what you have to understand about about

648
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: when we're talking about these things now and even in

649
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: late July or late January. And let me make this clear.

650
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: I I've said this before. Outside of seeing him a

651
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: couple of times on television, I have not done my

652
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: tape breakdown on Haskins yet. So what I'm telling you

653
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: is coming from veteran people who have done this for

654
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: a living over the course of ten fift thirty five years. Okay,

655
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: and they've said to me his value he's not He's

656
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: nowhere near top six value in the draft. He could

657
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: go there because these guys tend to get pushed up,

658
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: but his actual value he's much. Look, I had a

659
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: guy to tell me this, and I'm not joking. Guy

660
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: talent pro personnel evaluator for thirty five years in this

661
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: league said to me his value, he's a mid second

662
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: round pick. I'm not kidding you. I'm not kidding. I

663
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: have a good friend of mine that's UM. I can't

664
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: say he's in play pro player personnel or anything, but

665
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: he said that he has well had him great at

666
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: somewhere between the second and the third round. But it's

667
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: just that when the best quarterback available in a draft

668
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: usually goes top two. Well, let me ask you this.

669
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: If that's the great, let's say you take your friend's

670
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: word as as truth and that's the great. Could you, honestly,

671
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: if you had to pick and you were the GM,

672
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: could you feel good about picking good guy six? If

673
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: your personnel guy said he should be a second or

674
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: third round pick, Well, it's based off of how much

675
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: time he's played the position. He's only had one year

676
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: in college, so correct. If he had two years in

677
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: college and the stature similar, then his draft stock rises,

678
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: of course. So it's just a matter of getting getting

679
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: him at a bargain now where he's gonna sit for

680
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: a year behind Eli, which I'm hoping happens. Um, yeah,

681
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: I would, I would take him this this early. Okay,

682
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: well here here, here's the problem now. But it's only

683
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: it's only with his ceiling being high. If his ceiling

684
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: wasn't high, then I wouldn't do it, all right. There.

685
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: There are two issues though, with doing that number one

686
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: at six. Your your same personnel guys probably given you

687
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: a whole list of guys who he believes are worth

688
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: the sixth pick at different positions, and says, hey, listen,

689
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: my friend, Uh, this guy's definitely worth six as a

690
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: defensive end. This guy is definitely worth six as a linebacker.

691
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: This guy's a cover corner. These guys are worth six.

692
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: There's no ceiling, there's no projection. These guys are blue

693
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: chip number six picks. Can you really afford to pass

694
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: up one of those guys to take someone who he

695
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: has evaluated as a second or third rounder. That's a really,

696
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: really hard thing for most people to do. And then

697
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: the second thing you have to you have to realize,

698
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: and I'll let you, I'll let you finish. The second

699
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: thing you have to realize as well, is that there

700
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: are guys who have had one or two terrific college seasons.

701
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: They don't come out and then all of a sudden

702
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: and their ensuing college season, their draft stock falls because

703
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: guess what, maybe they did not hit the anticipated ceiling

704
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: that you thought they would. So how do we know,

705
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: for for anybody out there who thinks that Haskins only

706
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: played one year and the sky's the limit for him,

707
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: how do you know that if he didn't stay at

708
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: Ohio State for another season, that his draft stock wouldn't fall,

709
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: and that he would throw twenty interceptions instead of only

710
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: a few. How do you know? It happens? There are

711
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: guys who slipped backwards the other way. It happens. That's

712
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: fact that I'm not making that up. It does happen.

713
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: You know. I think I saw that either from I

714
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: was looking at will career and I think there was

715
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: one of the guy and uh, there's that's the previous

716
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: year where I think you do like twenty more touchdowns

717
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: something and for some reason there was a drop off.

718
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: But no, I honestly couldn't. I couldn't. I could. I

719
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: could argue the point, but I couldn't sell it well

720
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: because so proof it's all speculation, that's all right, yeah,

721
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: and that and that's and that's truthfully why in a

722
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: lot of these cases there's no quote right answer. In

723
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: a lot of these cases, it's base your opinion on fact,

724
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: but we can agree to disagree on the opinion. And

725
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: that's the way a lot of these things are. And Lloyd,

726
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna let you go on that point because we

727
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: want to get to some more calls and appreciate the

728
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: phone call. I've said this on the program multiple times.

729
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: I'll say it again. I think Haskins, compared to previous

730
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that have come out of Ohio State in recent history,

731
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: is probably as closest to the pure pocket passer and

732
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: quarter back that is not necessarily first instinct to run,

733
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: compared to some of the other guys that we've seen,

734
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: such as the JT. Barretts, the car Dell Joneses, and

735
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: so forth. If you want to look at that from

736
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: a comparison from within the school, which by the way,

737
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: is my style of quarterback, that's the style that I prefer.

738
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: Haskins does not fall in line with those previous Ohio

739
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: State quarterbacks. Where he falls in line compared to the

740
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Sam Donald's, the Baker Mayfield's, I don't necessarily think he's

741
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: above them at this point. From what I've seen during

742
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: the college season, but that doesn't mean that he's not

743
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in this class. Though. I wouldn't guarantee though,

744
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: that he's considered the best quarterback in the eyes of

745
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: all personnel, because what's gonna happen is what they saw

746
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bolt, what they see at the combine.

747
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna see guys move up and down. For example,

748
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones at a duke. We weren't hearing anything about

749
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: him during the college season. I don't want anybody tell

750
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: me Daniel Jones was the number one rated guy, or

751
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: it was a top two or three quarterback. Then all

752
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you notice Paul regular season ends, we

753
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: start looking at mock drafts. All of a sudden, Daniel

754
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: Jones is the hot amodity, and we just saw him

755
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: in the Pro and the Senior Bowl. Rather So, the

756
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: point is, sometimes guys rise up, and Baker Mayfield made

757
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: a rise to I know we're talking about a high

758
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Spey Trophy winner, But even leaning up to the draft,

759
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: very few people were sold on the fact that the

760
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: Browns is gonna take him number one. Overall, they were

761
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily doubting that he'd be a first round pick.

762
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: But not necessarily the guy that the Browns would go

763
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: after number one. So we're gonna have a curve ball

764
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: here and there. Just be prepared for that. Well, I

765
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: put this up on Twitter the other day and then

766
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: some guy challenged me on it because he found somebody

767
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: who said that Haskins was high all along. It seems

768
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: to me that the bulk of the street talk in December,

769
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: and I'm talking street talk now, that is the common

770
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: the newspapers, the web. The common street talk was that

771
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: Herbert was the bona fide number one first round quarterback

772
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: lock in this draft if he was to come out,

773
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: if he was to come out, and people were saying

774
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: then at least most of the talk, not I'm not

775
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: gonna say every person in the world felt this, but

776
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: most of the talk, the predominant talk, was that Haskins

777
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: would be a fringe first rounder. That that's what you

778
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: heard in most circles. He's a fringe first rounder and

779
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: Herbert is the guaranteed lock top ten quarterback in this draft.

780
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: So now what happened between December and now, All of

781
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, Herbert decides he's not gonna come out, and

782
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: now you've got people saying Hoskins is a top ten

783
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: for sure. Haskins could be a top five for sure.

784
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, he went up spots without having

785
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: done anything. Well, I wouldn't go so far to say

786
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: that he hadn't done anything. I can played two games

787
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: since then. Well, the resume is not overly big, there's

788
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But like anything else, when you

789
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden here that Herbert's not in it.

790
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: Now you're looking to crown the next Well, this goes

791
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: to this goes to the caller's last point. His v you,

792
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: his grade may have not changed a whole lot, but

793
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: because suddenly the law of supply and demand indicates that

794
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: he's the top guy on the quarterback list, all of

795
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, without changing his value in his grade, his

796
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: stock goes Well, I mean, it's the same thing, and

797
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: we'll get to a few more. And that's that's artificial inflation,

798
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: is what that is. Well, it's the same thing though

799
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, when you lose your starter

800
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: and then the guy on the depth chart moves up. Initially,

801
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: he may be an unknown commodity case. In Point Kansas City, Okay,

802
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt, they part ways with because of off the

803
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: field issues. Right, Paul So, Damian Williams. Damian Williams, he

804
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: was with the Dolphins, sort of a journeyman, not a

805
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: guy that had a lot of experience as a starting tailback,

806
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: or you'd give twenty to five carries. All of a

807
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: sudden they inswer Damian Williams. Right, the last three or

808
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: four games of the season. Kansas City is not missing

809
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: a beat. Now it's reflective of the offensive line, the quarterback,

810
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: and Williams deserves credit for his productivity. But now, all

811
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the concerns about Kansas City's running game

812
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: dissipate because of what Damian Williams does. When a few

813
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: weeks ago, people barely knew Damian Williams is on their

814
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: depth chart. So I think that's relative in sports, when

815
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: opportunities come, when the guy above you gets removed, it's

816
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: natural for your stock to go up, assuming your productivity continues.

817
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess my point is, I don't

818
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: think it's unique for the draft. I think we see

819
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: that in life. Across the board. Two zero five one

820
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: three is the telephone number. Let's head back to lines.

821
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: Gary is in Virginia. Gary welcome aboard. What do you

822
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: got for us? Are doing? What's on your mind? I

823
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: just want to address Eli a little bit. You know,

824
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: I heard so much about moving on, you know, drafting

825
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: a quarterback this year, but I just I'm not ready

826
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: to move forward, move on from Eli. I don't understand

827
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: any of the arguments. His stats were good. Um, if

828
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: you're a stat guy, and especially considering that he had

829
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: no ALA in the first half, people talk about how

830
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: about his age, and you look nowadays, You've got you know,

831
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: Breezes forty, Brady's forty one, and they're not slowing down.

832
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: I could see Elive playing forty three, no question. I'd

833
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: like to see them resign a lit to three years

834
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: three or four and get him and say that this

835
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: is our guy and and move forward and improve this

836
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: this defense instead of wasting a first or second round

837
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: pick on a quarterback. But that's just me, and that's fine.

838
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, the prudent thing to do

839
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: with this stage of his career, and it is with

840
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: any of the guys who are in his age bracket,

841
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: is to say, let's let's just deal with it on

842
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: a year by your basis, and let's figure out what

843
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna do every off season. Now, that doesn't mean

844
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: you can't have some type of contract in place, one

845
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: that is not guaranteed, or one that's full of incentives

846
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: so that you have something on on paper that could

847
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: potentially allow you to have him over the course of

848
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: the long term. But I think when you get to

849
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: this particular point in time and it goes across all

850
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: the four major sports, I mean, look CCS, Bathley and

851
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: the Yankees, has you know, just resigned a second one

852
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: year contract in a row. I mean, I don't think

853
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: anybody really should channel a professional athlete if he still

854
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: has the physical tools and still has the burning desire

855
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: to put in the work to succeed. I don't think

856
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: you should ever slam the door in his face and say, look,

857
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: you can't play anymore. I mean that's just not just

858
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: my feeling in general, because if the guy's got the

859
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: physical tools to get it done, and he shows the

860
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: work that is required to get it done, well, then

861
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: who are you to say to him that he can?

862
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: And you'd always like to give a player the opportunity

863
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: to leave the game on his own terms. That's obviously

864
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: in an ideal world, it doesn't always happen that way

865
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: because of injury, because it may be a younger player

866
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: from a salary cap perspective that could be a little

867
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: bit more effective and not eat up as much salary

868
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: cap space. There's a lot of dynamics that you have

869
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: to take it the consideration as far as Eli Manning

870
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: being here beyond next season, I think right now we

871
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: don't know, because I think the Giants right now are

872
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: looking at free agency in the draft, and depending on

873
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: those moves, that will determine perhaps what they want to

874
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: do with Elie moving forward. Thank you, I hope they

875
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: all gone to him. And then I have one quick

876
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: question about the draft. When you trade I hope by

877
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: saying this right, but if you trade like a fourth

878
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: round pick for the next year, do you usually improve

879
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: the round? So would you get like a third round

880
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: of well, what are you doing with the fourth? But

881
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: what are you doing with the fourth round pick? Though

882
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: you're packaging it with a player, you're just trading a

883
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. You're saying, yeah, I don't think your guarantee. No,

884
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't think at all your guaranteed to get a

885
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: third round pick the following year. No, everything depends on

886
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: the individual situation. Look, if you happen to be in

887
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: a certain round, Let's say you're the Giants and you

888
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: have three fourth round picks right and all of a sudden,

889
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: somebody calls you and says, look, I really want one

890
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: of your fourth round is because it's coming up. One

891
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: of your picks is coming up, three spots left on

892
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: the board, and and we really want it. Well, then

893
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna hold out for as much as you can get.

894
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any standard that says you're gonna

895
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: be able to get a three or four next year,

896
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: or even a five next year. I mean, it comes

897
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: down to what is that guy willing to pay you

898
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: in that specific situation, knowing that he may desperately want

899
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: to get his hands on another pick right now. It

900
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: depends on what the position the opposite team is in.

901
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: And appreciate the phone call, Garage, thank you so much

902
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: for weighing in. Let's hear from Dylan in New York

903
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happened to Dylan?

904
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: Are you good afternoon? Guys? Hi? Um, I just said

905
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: I know you guys got some calls, so I just

906
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: had a couple. Um, like first round picks that I

907
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: and seeing him mock draft that I kind of like

908
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: if if they were available before the Giants and then

909
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: I had, uh kind of just one sleeper and then

910
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: one just question for a late round pick, but just

911
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: three guys I like so far. Um in my own

912
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: mock draft, I did. I had the Giant selecting Jonah Williams.

913
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: I liked him from Alabama as a tackle. UM, I

914
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: know he had he had like a reputation at college

915
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: as a film junkie. I think that's really good to have,

916
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, with um being able to study film and

917
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: really get into it and know your assignments and UM.

918
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: I also like the linebacker from l s U. Devin White.

919
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: I like his size. He's he's two forties, so he's

920
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: a little bigger, but he's also got speed. He kind

921
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: of reminds me almost of the Rams linebacker Corey Littleton.

922
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean why it's a little bigger than he is,

923
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: but just kind of that speed. I think it's, you know,

924
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: the way that the NFL is kind of going now

925
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: with the linebackers, you're having a little more speed rather

926
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: than size. UM, So I think that would be a

927
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: pretty good fit and then one of the last guys

928
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: I liked was Clayland Farrell from Clemson. That he's an

929
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: edge rusher. Um, I almost think he would almost feel

930
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: like a carry wind roll almost, I mean kind of

931
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: putting him in at different spots. And I don't know,

932
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: he'd be a guy that you would play like how

933
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon would shift down um to play on the

934
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: line even though he's playing a linebacker spot. Um. And

935
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: then just one one quarterback I've liked all year and

936
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: I still, uh, I think pretty highly of him. I

937
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: think he's kind of a sleeper, is true. Lock. I

938
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: know he's had some accuracy kind of issues. Um, but

939
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: I like that he in college was able to get

940
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: snaps under center because I think that's really important to have.

941
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: And look, I missed the senior books. I had worked

942
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: a couple of games over the weekend. But um, I've

943
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: noticed in a couple of practices his footwork was kind

944
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: of um. He he was really like kind of planted

945
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: with his speed. He didn't really step through with a

946
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: couple of throws A question for him, You're right, go ahead, yeah,

947
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: just I think if he really works on his footwork,

948
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: he steps through the throw and you know, and obviously

949
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: also just getting or learning the skill of reading or

950
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: scanning the whole field, because I know a couple of

951
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: weeks ago when I called in UM, I talked to

952
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: Paul and he said that he heard from other UM

953
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: sources that he's kind of they play like a system

954
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: offense in Missouries, so he's kind of reading his first progression,

955
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: I guess more or less not really scanning. UM. But

956
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: the last thing I had UM, I mean, if the

957
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: Giants don't select a quarterback, you know, early on, and

958
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: they go with you know, like the defense or offense physicians. UM.

959
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: I know that past Schrumer's son, Kyle Shermer, he's a

960
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: senior at Vanderbilt, UM, you know, and obviously I mean

961
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: they would out of anybody, UM, coach Shermer would know

962
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: him pretty well. Yeah, I mean, what what would what

963
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: would the chances be possibly Kyle Schrmer coming to the

964
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: team as like a late like sixth round pick or

965
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: something like that. All right, well we'll let you go

966
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: on that note, Dylan, and and appreciate the phone call.

967
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know how likely it would that

968
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: the Giants would take him? And granted when Tom Calton

969
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: was the head coach. They took his son in law,

970
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: Chris Sney, So I wouldn't necessarily ruin anything out personally.

971
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, the Giants over the last few years, Paul,

972
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: that they've taken some quarterbacks in the mid rounds. I

973
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: don't know necessarily if they feel they have to go

974
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: in that direction. Once again, I'm not I'm not going

975
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: to tell you I've seen anything of Carl Shermer outside

976
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: of two games. I saw him in in a in

977
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: an All Star game, and I saw one of his

978
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: games that the Bowl game Vanderbilt was involved in. And

979
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: I know that, um, some personnel people have said to

980
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: me late third day and possibly priority free agent. UM.

981
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: So I'm sure he's going to be in a camp

982
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: with somebody. I don't doubt that. That doesn't that doesn't

983
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, I would not be surprised by that at all.

984
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: Whether or not he's here, I haven't even given that

985
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: much thought. Let's head back to the phone line. Steve

986
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: is in d C. Steve, you're on Big look Ay

987
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: Golf Live. What do you have for us? Hi? You too? Listen? Hi.

988
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: First of all, I appreciate you take my call. You know,

989
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: I need you to hearing me for a minute. Body

990
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: hearing me, I'm gonna play GM here, and I would

991
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: have break this down real quick for you one else

992
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: I was going to wait till after the combine because

993
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say I'm gonna go ahead and put

994
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: the stamp on the ink that's already on the thing.

995
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna make my case as to why we

996
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: a Dwayne Haskins is absolutely the best pick for us

997
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: to get with our first pick. Okay, number one, let's

998
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: just go ahead and do your value thing, because all

999
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, which value is really

1000
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: not a value thing for me personal when it comes

1001
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: to a quarterback getting a franchise franchise quarterback. But let's

1002
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: just look at it real quick, Okay. As far as

1003
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: Varius concern, if if we would you know, if we

1004
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: would get him at number six, you know, I personally

1005
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: look at the value as we didn't have to give

1006
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: anything up for him, because the value next year with

1007
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: getting the franchise quarterback would have to be one or

1008
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: two things. Either we lose miserably again, which you know

1009
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: is which I really don't think it's quite possible, because

1010
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: I mean let's basically a lot of defenders. And we'll

1011
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: get to that in just a second. We have to

1012
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: or we you know, we we say we pick a

1013
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: fifteen fifteen, we're gonna have to you know, take quite

1014
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: a beating to move up to get him, so the

1015
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: cost would be a lot more. So that's just the

1016
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: value thing goes out of the window when you look

1017
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: at the cost it would take in order for us

1018
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: to get a franchise quarterback. That's even be a position

1019
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: to target one of the top three quarterback that can

1020
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: also have a bad year next year too, just like

1021
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: you said, the way it half can any quarterback. Because

1022
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: of course, of course, no, no, no, At this point, Steve,

1023
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: we have we have no argument. Although I would just

1024
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: ask you one thing. When the Giants gave up a

1025
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: boatload of picks to make the deal to swap rivers

1026
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: in the Eli Manning deal, that worked out well for them.

1027
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: They traded a boatload and they get wound up. The

1028
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: charges wound up picking three Pro bowlers with those defense

1029
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: of the draft picks that the Giants gave them. But

1030
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: guess what, ELI won two Super Bowl MVPs. So it's

1031
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: it's okay, then that's it is okay to pay a

1032
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: bunch for a guy if he winds up becoming you know,

1033
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl MVP. We love Elie for that, and

1034
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: this has this has absolutely nothing to do with Elie.

1035
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Hopefully he'll be here to groom and but it's time

1036
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: number one. But but you know, the fact of the

1037
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: matter is just you know, oh man, I totally I

1038
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: totally lost about you just kind of I'm sorry what

1039
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: I tell you that we did go up, we did

1040
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: go up the line and every other you know, everyone

1041
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: has been slighted to go a lot higher than what

1042
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: he is personally. So I just know that he's definitely

1043
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: worth the value. So you know, if if we don't

1044
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: get him, there's a lot of different I mean, there's

1045
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the defenders we could get later on with,

1046
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, with our other picks too. So I just

1047
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of think that it's about you know, you know,

1048
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: it's the timing and the player all lined up well,

1049
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: and then the million. The question though, is how the

1050
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: Giants organization feels about him, you know, I mean that's

1051
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: what it ultimately comes down to. You can't believe he's

1052
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. Let him say that before you quarterback

1053
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: taken in the first round. Since two thousand and six,

1054
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: teams a team has gone after get him every single

1055
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: quarterback taken in the first round team, So I don't

1056
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: expect Dwayne Happens to be no difference. He's by far

1057
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: the best quarterback and he's fifth our team, better than

1058
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: any other quarterbacks in this round. For the things that

1059
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: people say out loud that they weren't in the platier

1060
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: for a quarterback for the shotball football giants, I mean,

1061
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: his status speak for themselves. Nobody can you know, he

1062
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: can't make up for them for the last of experience.

1063
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: All he could do was hope the games underlie the

1064
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: most pro rating. You know, he would the first to

1065
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: all almost all our weapons that we have better than anybody.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, listen, a locker happened, you know, to

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00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: a person, But to me, I vu you get no

1068
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: better than giving him a number six, and God forbid,

1069
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: you had to move up to number three because Jennim

1070
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: because makes probably more likely than I think, we need

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00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: to go ahead and do it. And told he proves

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00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: me otherwise, I think he's clearly I don't really hope

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00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: that we are really playing possible because we need to

1074
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: bring Hassin's home, the fact that he was born to

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Speaker 1: be a giant, born and raised to be a giant,

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00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: and we all know he wants to be a giant.

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00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: Come on, man, Steve, Steve, hold on, hold on, hold on,

1078
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: hold on, don't go anywhere. Don't go anywhere, all right, now,

1079
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. Now. Let me let me just say this,

1080
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: because I think we can agree on this whether or

1081
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: not they take Haskins at Sex. And you know how

1082
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: I feel, and I know how you feel. The bottom

1083
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: line is they better fortify that offensive line, and perhaps

1084
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 1: you would agree with me that maybe if they wind

1085
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: up doing that, they got to get themselves a stud

1086
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: tackle in the second round then, because guess what if

1087
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: you don't get a stud tackle and help out this

1088
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: offensive line, it doesn't matter who the quarterback is. Well

1089
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: I listen, listen. I mean he he's great, unders you know,

1090
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: and the fact that matters. We hope he sits on

1091
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: the elist for at least a year anyway, But it's time.

1092
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: And that's another thing that people don't like to say that,

1093
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: but it's time. But it's not about him big time.

1094
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: He's the right quarterback that we should not lift the

1095
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: gift for us in the mouth. So, yes, we can

1096
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: get a quarterback. We need a right tackle. And I'm

1097
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: really not a big on I know you like him,

1098
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: but I'm not big on that. Actually, I like I

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00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: like Pully, to be honest with you, Steve, I like

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00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: I like Specral And they don't have to go after

1101
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: a center in the first round anyway. No, I wouldn't go. Yeah,

1102
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't worry about having

1103
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: to reach for a center. And we'll let you go

1104
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: on that note. Steve appreciate the phone call, But Steve,

1105
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: Steve and I actually agree on something else though. Even

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00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: if they take a quarterback, he says, the guy sits

1107
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: behind Eli for a year. So Steve and I actually

1108
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: agree on more than what he thinks. Two things though,

1109
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: that I wanted to throw out number one. Whether or

1110
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: not he says he wants to be a Giant was

1111
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: born to be a Giant, to me is completely irrelevant.

1112
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: You don't take a player for that. Barkley was a

1113
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: Jets fan, yeah, but the whole pr perspects nothing to

1114
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: do with the evaluation of layer number two. Listen, you

1115
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: never know where you're gonna draft the following year. But

1116
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: that's not a reason why you automatically pick a quarterback

1117
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: because you're picking high. That I don't agree with that

1118
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: philosophy because you know, there are a lot of people

1119
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: that when the Giants draft at say Kua Berkley, they thought, well,

1120
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: there's no way they're gonna pick in the top ten

1121
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: the following year. And now the Giants are back picking

1122
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: in the top ten. So you never know where you're

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Speaker 1: gonna pick in the draft. So I I just don't

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00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: agree with the phosophy, Well, we're gonna definitely pick fifteen

1125
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: or sixteenth next year or so we have to take

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: the quarterback now because we're in that top ten. That

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00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: that I don't necessarily think it's a guarantee. With that

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Speaker 1: being said, let's head back to the lines. Coach Marvin

1129
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: is in Delaware. Coach Marvin, what's happening? How are you doing? Last? Hey?

1130
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: Coach all good? How are you? Yeah? You're right? Lands

1131
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: nobody drafts people or what they who they favorite teams are.

1132
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean, didn't even have to say that. That's just

1133
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: fans talk. Correct. The other thing is real quick, is

1134
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: what Paul was saying the kids just a minute Ago.

1135
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: I kind of agree. If they take half and they're

1136
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to get an offensive lineman's high in that

1137
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: second round, that that would be a must, you know,

1138
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: But we still got to work on that defense. You

1139
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: don't want to coach Marvin. They need they need a

1140
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: plug in play tackle. I think to upgrade the right

1141
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: tackle spot. By my estimation, you might be able to

1142
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: get one as deep as the third round. Maybe, But

1143
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: the problem is right now, the Giants don't have a

1144
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: pick between the second and the fourth round, which is

1145
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: why I've said I believe more than ever that Dave

1146
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: Gettleman is gonna trade up and get another pick in

1147
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: the top hundred. In fact, I'm even gonna go further

1148
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: than that. I think Dave Gettleman trades up to get

1149
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: a third pick in the top seventy five. How about that.

1150
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: That's that's fine too. It's hard to say, but what

1151
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: about just you, um you, if you draft the quarterback,

1152
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: you trade yourself back into the first round and you

1153
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: get an impact defensive player, and on the flip side,

1154
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: you go for free agency and get the offensive line.

1155
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: There's so many ways. Yeah, it's different. Well, Bobby Massey

1156
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: and the Bears just resigned a four year deal with them,

1157
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: and he was going to be the best right tackle

1158
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: in free agency, So be aware of that. Yeah, I

1159
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: did see that. I did see that. Um. The other

1160
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: thing I want to say is this thing is so

1161
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: unstair for these kids. How we tear them apart before

1162
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: they come into the NFL, give reasons of why they

1163
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: can't do things and why you might not be able

1164
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: to take them. It's very difficult. I'm talking in a

1165
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: sense of experience of watching it and the experience of

1166
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: one of my kids being drafted that I took. And Um,

1167
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: what they go through is the guy that was telling you,

1168
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this to you, Paul, but the guy

1169
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: that told you that has him is a mid middle,

1170
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: middle round, second round player. I can't agree with that.

1171
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to give you a list of forty

1172
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: players that was better than Haskins. You're talking to guy

1173
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: that was bird in the in the Heisman voting, and

1174
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: some tea and some people that meaning they're right that

1175
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: there to get this in this systems that he should

1176
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: have won. They so to tear I'm a part. I mean,

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01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: the kids do fifty touchdown I don't care how he

1178
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: did it. Coach Marvin, just remember one thing. Heisman Trophy

1179
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: winning quarterbacks have a very bad NFL track record, So

1180
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: don't don't use that as a sales point, please. So.

1181
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: But he is right that his numbers did look good

1182
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: for this past season with Ohio State. There's no doubt

1183
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: about that. You throw fifty touchdown, you're doing something right,

1184
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: whether it's the system, your talent, whatever it may be.

1185
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: But I think what you hit on the nose, Coach

1186
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: Marvin is it's a subjective process. The draft is always

1187
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: going to be a subjective process. It's how the guy

1188
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: looks at the eye of the beholder. I could talk

1189
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: to five different people, they could have completely different views

1190
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: of the same player. That's right, man. And you gotta

1191
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,479
Speaker 1: know when people look at things in their own eyes,

1192
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: of their own team, they don't see things the same

1193
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: of course that people. You can't go to a football game,

1194
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: and I go to the games and I listened to

1195
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: fans and when a call go against the he's up

1196
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: Gray just been crazy they sound when they said that

1197
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: that wasn't a clip, that wasn't a face match. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, coach Marvin, you just you just I'm

1199
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: gonna let you finish. But you just made a point

1200
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: that fortifies the Sa Kwan Barkley pick this past spring,

1201
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: because you're right. In almost every case, everybody has a

1202
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: different opinion, but everyone unanimously believe that Sa Kwan Barkley

1203
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: was the best, if not the best, the second best

1204
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: player in the draft. That was unanimous. Nobody had him

1205
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: graded below number two. So when the Giants picked at

1206
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: number two and they took sa Kwan Barkley, that was unanimous.

1207
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: That's why that pick was a must pick. Right. I

1208
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: agree with that, and that's that's what irritates me. I

1209
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: don't let it get to me. And because this was

1210
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: this is a people opinions, but you see people still

1211
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: today talking about that's dead, it's not gonna change, let

1212
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: it go well and something they just wrote they didn't think.

1213
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: I think Lance wouldn't want talking about it though, John

1214
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: something about they say, how about they do a redraft.

1215
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm still taking Barkley last year's craft. Do you know

1216
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: that Barkley I think he fell. He felt it cleavely.

1217
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: They have the Giants kicking Donald Well, that's ridiculous to

1218
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: have a redraft after a year. It's one thing to

1219
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: do a redraft after five or six year doesn't actually ridiculous.

1220
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Speaker 1: Coach Marrow, We're gonna let you go on that note

1221
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: because we gotta wrap up the show, but certainly appreciate

1222
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: you on the conversation and we will talk down the road.

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