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Speaker 1: Only thing I'm plugging is Forgotten Seasons. Welcome back for

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Speaker 1: Gotten Seasons. J MacMahon. We recorded a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 1: You were struggling. I know your back was out.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing today, man, I'm doing better out

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Speaker 2: here on the West Coast. Luckily there's some warm weather

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Speaker 2: that you know doesn't quite get into my spine like that.

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Speaker 2: But you know I pushed through. I made it through, Dylan.

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Speaker 2: We made it through Game seven, Game seven vibes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, we don't mess around here. We played through

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Speaker 1: injuries and today we got to go on. Man, Dee Brown, listen,

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Speaker 1: you're a West Coast guy, You're a Lakers guy. I

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Speaker 1: know you do not really like the Celtics. I'm an

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Speaker 1: East Coast guy. I'm a New York guy. I do

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Speaker 1: not really like the Celtics. But I think all that

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Speaker 1: being said, I think you can't do anything but respect

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Speaker 1: and appreciate the story that we're about to go through

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Speaker 1: today with d He gets there in nineteen ninety when

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Speaker 1: the Celtics are fresh off two first round exits, which

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Speaker 1: is uncharacteristic for them. They spent the previous decade pretty

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Speaker 1: much in the Eastern Conference finals or beyond, they won

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Speaker 1: a handful of championships. So this is pretty much the

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Speaker 1: last chance, the last years that the Bird and McHale

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Speaker 1: teams can win a championship. You can't talk about this

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Speaker 1: time period without talking about Reggie Lewis. He was D's guy,

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Speaker 1: He was entering his prime, and he was a superstar.

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Speaker 1: Most of us know the story. He passes away tragically

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Speaker 1: in the summer of nineteen ninety three after going through

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Speaker 1: cardiac arrest. So whereas the Celtics were set up for

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Speaker 1: Lewis to carry them into the future, tragedy strikes and

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Speaker 1: they go the opposite direction. D is there for the

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Speaker 1: next four years where the Celtics kind of bottom out.

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Speaker 1: He's there when Rick Patino barges in and takes over

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Speaker 1: the franchise and is kind of marketed as the savior.

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Speaker 1: You'll hear some interesting stuff that Dee says about the

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Speaker 1: Patino era. So all that to say, why is this

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Speaker 1: a story that, regardless of your fandom and how you

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Speaker 1: feel about the Celtics, you should be interested in.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'm not going to do the

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Speaker 2: Celtics in the favor You already hit it on the head.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Stone called California Hollick and you know the

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Speaker 2: Lakers being my team that I rooted for, that I

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Speaker 2: grew up watching and eventually had a chance to play for.

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Speaker 2: De Brown was a guy who captivated the imaginations of

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Speaker 2: a lot of young Hoopers. We know him from the

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Speaker 2: you know, our generation knows him from the dunk contest

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Speaker 2: that rebock pumps the whole nine, but you hit it

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Speaker 2: on the head. He's one of the fortunate enough to

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Speaker 2: his name to be synonymous with a lot of NBA

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Speaker 2: history if you're into those things like we are here

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Speaker 2: on Forgotten Season. So d Brown not only captivated the

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Speaker 2: minds of young Hoopers, but he also after his career,

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Speaker 2: he sent it into the front office. So he's also

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Speaker 2: left some nuggets, you know in this interview about you know,

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Speaker 2: how the transition goes for former players and how hard

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Speaker 2: and how you have to be introspective and learn how

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Speaker 2: to communicate and disassociate yourself from different things you were

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Speaker 2: as a player in order to make some moves in

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Speaker 2: the business world. His just happened to be in the

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Speaker 2: front office. But there's some nuggets in this interview for

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Speaker 2: any former player how to transition it onto life after basketball.

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Speaker 2: So hats off to D Brown. The interview was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Learned a lot about him and really just solidified the

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Speaker 2: guy who I thought he was from the outside looking in,

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Speaker 2: having not really hung out with him like that. But

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Speaker 2: you know, for a Celtic he was okay.

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Speaker 1: I think this was a really good one. If any

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Speaker 1: of you out there are fond of the Celtics, which

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Speaker 1: I would say that there's a decent proportion of them

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Speaker 1: that don't really like the Celtics because we all have

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Speaker 1: an annoying Celtics fan in our life and we know

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Speaker 1: how that goes. But anyways, I hope you guys enjoy

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Speaker 1: this episode. We're gonna be back every single Wednesday. You

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoy. Let's get into it. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Forgotten Seasons. Today we got D Brown reporting live from

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville University. D thank you for joining. How are you

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good, guys. Thanks for having me Dale Jelani.

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Speaker 3: Nice to see my brother.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on. So we've got somebody here today

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Speaker 4: It's definitely a mixture of all three. You know.

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Speaker 3: I kind of felt that I was a coach on

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Speaker 3: So as I started transitioning out of the NBA, I

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Speaker 4: I think I always had to pay it forward. I

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Speaker 3: Those guys kind of prepared me for preparation of how

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Speaker 4: So when I retired, it wasn't easy.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't hard. It wasn't hard for me. Like I

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Speaker 3: The league didn't push me out. Uh, it was pretty

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Speaker 3: you know, always say success these footprints, and we don't

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Speaker 3: I was doing my player development stuff. Yeah, but this

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Speaker 4: On the court for twenty days. I didn't play a lot.

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Speaker 3: So again, like I think that was the last time

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Speaker 3: So that was another experience that the respect that I

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Speaker 2: As a former player. Let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 2: you were just playing boom the next year you and

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Speaker 2: What's the energy like behind that after you make a

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Speaker 3: Well, there's some adjustion across the board, even from even

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Speaker 3: You don't want to cross that line. You don't want

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Speaker 3: So it was it was tough. It was real tough.

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Speaker 3: Shooters called sweet shooter, you know. And he did it

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Speaker 3: on both dres of the court. So you just hate

436
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Speaker 3: to see that happen to somebody that has such a

437
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Speaker 3: prompt in future, not just just the basketball part, but

438
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Speaker 3: his legacy in Boston.

439
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Speaker 4: He went to Northeastern, he did a Turkey giveaway. People

440
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Speaker 4: loved him in Boston.

441
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Speaker 3: I mean people loved him in Boston because he was

442
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Speaker 3: just an essence of just the next.

443
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Speaker 4: Guy in line to carry the French eye through that

444
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Speaker 4: nineties decade, and we the opportunity.

445
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Speaker 1: To do it Another thing that I think is very

446
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Speaker 1: interesting with your arrival in Boston and you've spoken about this,

447
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Speaker 1: I'm going to steal this topic from Michael Cooper's podcast

448
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 1: then ask you to go more, more and more in depth.

449
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Speaker 1: You spoke on Dennis Johnson and his impact on you,

450
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Speaker 1: specifically on the defensive end. Obviously, DJ is one of

451
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Speaker 1: the most beloved Celtics of all time, and he goes

452
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Speaker 1: to the assistant coaching bench when you get there. You

453
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Speaker 1: talked about how he kind of taught you how to

454
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Speaker 1: count dribbles on the defensive end and anticipate. Can you

455
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Speaker 1: walk up? Can you remember that conversation in like, what

456
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Speaker 1: exactly was he trying to teach you?

457
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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny that a great player like Michael Coop

458
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Speaker 3: when I spoke with him, had no cross talking about you.

459
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Speaker 3: Would you would think that that was a norm, but

460
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Speaker 3: it really wasn't. Dennis Johnson was such a great on

461
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Speaker 3: the ball defender. I mean he would you know, you

462
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Speaker 3: bust the old film of him. He would pick the

463
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Speaker 3: ball up people so easily, and I always wonder why

464
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Speaker 3: I would ask him like that. Again, back then it

465
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Speaker 3: was a little bit of hand check in you kind

466
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Speaker 3: of guy the guy we wanted to if you were

467
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Speaker 3: strong enough, and you were strong, I remember him, you

468
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Speaker 3: know because again when.

469
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Speaker 4: I got there was a year he retired. So I

470
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Speaker 4: got numb one, I got some I got some heat early.

471
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Speaker 3: You can't replace Dennis Johnson, you know, like who's this

472
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Speaker 3: young guy from Jacksonville. We don't know about trying to

473
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Speaker 3: take out Dennis shown some spot and DJ deflected a

474
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Speaker 3: lot of that attention to himself, like, hey, I'm here

475
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Speaker 3: to mentor him. He's not taking my spot. I retired,

476
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Speaker 3: I'm in, I'm on the bench. So I will always

477
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Speaker 3: pick his brain. Between him and Robert Parrish, those two

478
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 3: guys were just such a wealth of information on the

479
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Speaker 3: court off the court.

480
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Speaker 4: I'll be professional how to dress for the games. But

481
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Speaker 4: with Dennis, so I will watch a lot of film.

482
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Speaker 3: Like I said, I was a historian of basketball, and

483
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Speaker 3: I was always watched the Celtic Lakers games all the time.

484
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Speaker 3: You know, we all did you know, Johnnie Cbs, Tommy Hyinson,

485
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Speaker 3: So I said, I said DJ, like like how do

486
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Speaker 3: you how do you pick guys pockets all the time?

487
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Speaker 3: Like You're not the quickest, got long arms, you know,

488
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Speaker 3: you know you're you're you know a physical guard six

489
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Speaker 3: four big guard. He goes, well, I count dribbles. I go,

490
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Speaker 3: what do you mean count dribbles? He goes, yeah, like

491
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Speaker 3: there's a there's a method of taking the ball off

492
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Speaker 3: somebody's body if you know how to count dribbles. And

493
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Speaker 3: I he went this whole explanation, and he went on

494
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Speaker 3: the court and showed me. He goes, Listen, guys get

495
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Speaker 3: into a rhythm, rhythmtic pattern.

496
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Speaker 4: When they're driveling.

497
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Speaker 3: They're either they're yeah, they're either they're comfortable or they're

498
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Speaker 3: at at duress like, but when they're into rest, they

499
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Speaker 3: always go back to their comfort zone pattern. So you

500
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Speaker 3: watch them when they're not under the rest. If they

501
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 3: do one too dribble, change one to dribble, change whatever

502
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Speaker 3: it is is what they did, they might be one

503
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Speaker 3: one chick skip whatever it is. So they say watch

504
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Speaker 3: them in the first five to seven minutes of the

505
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Speaker 3: game and put a little token pressure on them, but

506
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Speaker 3: not too much where they feel their comfortable dribbling.

507
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Speaker 4: Hey, what they feel like comfortable dribbling. Once you figure

508
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Speaker 4: out their pattern, start counting their dribbles or when they

509
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Speaker 4: do it.

510
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Speaker 3: So if they do one two between the legs one

511
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Speaker 3: two behind the back. Now you know when to attack

512
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Speaker 3: the ball because once the ball leads their hand, it's

513
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Speaker 3: a free ball.

514
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Speaker 4: They can't beat the ball. Come up.

515
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Speaker 3: You steal the ball when it hits the when the

516
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Speaker 3: leaves their hand hits the floor, not when it's in

517
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Speaker 3: their hand.

518
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Speaker 4: So he goes.

519
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Speaker 3: That's how you count dribbles. You'll know their pattern based

520
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Speaker 3: on when the ball lease their hand and hit the floor.

521
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Speaker 3: So I started doing that a couple of times. Hey,

522
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Speaker 3: one two boom, one two three boom, and it worked

523
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Speaker 3: like I would get steals all on the ball, all

524
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Speaker 3: from guys I never thought I could take the ball

525
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Speaker 3: from because they're so I'll say in the handlers. But

526
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Speaker 3: what you do is you let them get into their

527
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Speaker 3: comfort zone and then you put heat on them. And

528
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 3: once you put heat on them, they go wret you it.

529
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Speaker 3: That's their comfort because they're used to doing that, and

530
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden you know exactly what they're going

531
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Speaker 3: to do. So it sounds more difficult or simplastic than

532
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, but it really happens.

533
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Speaker 2: Sounds perfect.

534
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Speaker 3: Not every no now, now, not everybody could get Isaiah

535
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Speaker 3: Thomas says, you know, John Bagley's.

536
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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about him. I was

537
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Speaker 2: going to ask you about him. Yeah.

538
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's certain guys that they just switched up on

539
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 4: you real quick. Have you looking real crazy out there?

540
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Speaker 3: Uh, But most of the guys that you can get

541
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Speaker 3: after a little bit as a point guard, they didn't

542
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Speaker 3: have those rhythm rhythm dribbles where you can count and

543
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: get a pattern, uh to know when you can attack

544
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Speaker 3: the ball with the hand, because.

545
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Speaker 4: They were so used to doing it. Uh during the

546
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Speaker 4: course of the game.

547
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Speaker 2: Was ry.

548
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Speaker 3: John Stockton was a rhythm dribbler, but he was really

549
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Speaker 3: good because he was very He was a to a

550
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Speaker 3: guard to be so small, like he was strong.

551
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Speaker 4: He had big hands, you know. Yeah, yeah, he did

552
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Speaker 4: it all.

553
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Speaker 3: You know, guys like uh, you know, Derek Harper was strong.

554
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Speaker 3: It's hard to get him. But a lot of the

555
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: guys that were like that were like trying to be

556
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Speaker 3: real quick. That's the guys who get rid of the

557
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Speaker 3: power guards. And I'm not calling John Stick a power guard,

558
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: but he was like you, Yeah, he played b He

559
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: couldn't get You couldn't get closer than enough to him

560
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: because he had enough hands. We called a hand to

561
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: hand warfare. Like in the nineties, you had to win

562
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: the hand in hand warfare. Whoever got the hands on

563
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: you first one and John Stark would get his hands

564
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Speaker 3: on you first, so you could.

565
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Speaker 4: Never get to the ball. You know, veteran guys Derek Harper, uh,

566
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Speaker 4: Tim Hardaway, you know guys like that. You know Kevin Johnson,

567
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 4: those guys knew how to play the Yeah, they do

568
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 4: have to do the hand to hand com back quicker.

569
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Speaker 4: Some of the guys who just thought they could just

570
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Speaker 4: beat you because they're more talented or had the handles,

571
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Speaker 4: you could maybe get into a little bit. So it

572
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 4: was uh yeah, to be very selective in doing that

573
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 4: because you don't want to be left.

574
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Speaker 3: And crossover at half court and all of a sudden,

575
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Speaker 3: you know, you got the guys that you like, dude,

576
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 3: just stay in front, stay in front.

577
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Speaker 2: I feel like back then too, there was only like

578
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Speaker 2: a certain amount of patterns. The patterns changed as the game, Yeah,

579
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Speaker 2: because now they got hesitation cross right. Back then, it's

580
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Speaker 2: like with the hand check, it's like one two turns,

581
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: you got to step back, invite the pressure cross go

582
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Speaker 2: this way. Now they like the he want you in

583
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Speaker 2: and out hesitation behind the back you know, yeah, well.

584
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Speaker 1: You can also you can also you can also carry

585
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Speaker 1: you can take five steps down.

586
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Speaker 3: Fact well yeah, I mean it's crazy because like you said,

587
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: Juliana that the hand check it helped because you didn't

588
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: guide the person a little bit. The amazed guy turned

589
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: turned their back. Like the two guys who hated to

590
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: be pressured all the time was Magic and Isaiah because they.

591
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: Were just like they wanted free reign.

592
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Speaker 3: And you know, they're a high turn o guys because

593
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: they had the ball in their hands all the time.

594
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: But it hard to pressure those guys because Magic was

595
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: six nine. He was just back to me down the

596
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: whole time and turned his back, yes, and.

597
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 4: Backed me down. Isaiah was just I mean, we talked

598
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 4: about Kyrie.

599
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: And Steph Curry and you know, uh, you know Jamal Crawford,

600
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: Isaiah Thomas handles.

601
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: Was unreal probably so you said, under most underrated handles

602
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Speaker 1: And it's disrespectful for him not to be mentioned with

603
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Speaker 1: those guys that you.

604
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Speaker 3: Just think, yeah, it should be mentioned because again, the

605
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: freedom of play now is a lot different than it

606
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: is it was in the nineties. But the comparison, dude,

607
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: the most comparison.

608
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 4: Is is football.

609
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: With wide receivers, the freedom of being able to run

610
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: your route and to be able to get a thousand

611
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: yards in the eighties and nineties a lot different to

612
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: get a thousand yards now. And now there yeah Jared Rice,

613
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Speaker 3: and and and you know ty and Tyree, Tyger Rice,

614
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 3: you know, like Tyreek Hill, Like those guys are talented.

615
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 4: But I mean the freedom. I mean, who do you

616
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 4: want to hit you? Who do you want to hit you?

617
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 4: Ronnie Lott or this other guy? Like those guys were

618
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 4: running through you. The physicality of the play.

619
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Speaker 3: And again I'm not that guy like, oh, you know,

620
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 3: these guys can play in our ear, sure they could.

621
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Speaker 3: Great players can play in an era. I'm not that

622
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: guy that say these guys now can't play o hear. People,

623
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: great players adjust, great players not to adjust their game

624
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: to be great, no matter eighties, nineties, two thousand so.

625
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: But again with the with the freedom of movement, now

626
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: there's more things you can do with the ball that

627
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: you couldn't do in the nineties because you could put

628
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 3: your hands on somebody.

629
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Speaker 1: Right, give us give us a look inside the off

630
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: the court camaraderie with those Larry Bird Michale Celtics. We

631
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: know what they were like on the court, but who

632
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: is the dude that was like organizing the team functions?

633
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: Was it?

634
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: Larry Bird? Were there any memorable off court experiences in

635
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: your first four years with the Celtics? What was that like?

636
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: I think all three had differ personality. That's why they

637
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: got along so well on the court. But they're all different.

638
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: But they're all, I mean literally significantly different type of individuals.

639
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: Lairbird was two hours before practice, two hours after practice,

640
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 3: you know that was his workout. Kevin two mans before

641
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: or two minutes after, like, I'm gonna give it to

642
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: you now practice and then I'm gonna go home and

643
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: go play golf and I'm gonna hang with my family.

644
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: Robert was the professional, like he got there, did his treatment,

645
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: you know, got to practice his treatment afterwards. You know, Hey,

646
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: young fella, let's go to dinner. I want to talk

647
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: to you about some professional things.

648
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: How to dress. You know.

649
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: The one thing that Robert did for me when I

650
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: got in the league was he always told them from day.

651
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 4: One that you are a professional. You could wear your

652
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: sweats during the game.

653
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: You don't wear them to the game. So his thing

654
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: with me was like, if you buy five suits. I

655
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 3: would buy you five suits to match your suits? So

656
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: how many suits shoe buy is a rookie, that's event

657
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: how many suitshoe buy I would match? So I've ran

658
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: about ten suits. He bought me ten suits off the

659
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: rip from day one. Is a rookie at twenty suits.

660
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: And he said, you wear to shoot the game. Every

661
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: game you watch word Parish. You never seen Rod Paris the.

662
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: Sweating never never never, And that was that was serious

663
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 4: to him.

664
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: He goes, you gotta present yourself like a pro dude.

665
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: And from day one, that was the thing he brought

666
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: to me. Kevin, he brought the the fun like everything's

667
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: not serious, you know, like shoot around.

668
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: He was funny. He would sit on the.

669
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: Sideline, you know, and and and make jokes about everybody.

670
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: Like that when you see his face, you know, and

671
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: the highlights in the picture he's always like frowned up.

672
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: Was funny. Yeah.

673
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 4: Oh, he was hilarious because he would he would be

674
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 4: like the.

675
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: Moderator between Larry and Kevin, you know, because their approach

676
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: is too different.

677
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 4: He was like he was like man, he was just

678
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: laugh and and.

679
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: And goes who on because he knew they would get

680
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: into it. Just because they were so competitive and they

681
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: just their approach were different, but they were great together

682
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: on the court. Larry, he was just you know, you know,

683
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: when you play one of the best players ever to play,

684
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: you just you just watch and say, you know, why

685
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: is he great?

686
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 4: Is it his work, ethic? Is it is preparation is

687
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: his what is he looking at? Like? Why can't I

688
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 4: see the things he see? You know? He was like

689
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 4: a chess player, like a master chess player.

690
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: So I would I would mimic his like his viewpoints

691
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: and and and and talk to him off after practice.

692
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: And you know, my rookie year, I probably.

693
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: Shot you know, one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand shots

694
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: after practice just with him, just to see what it

695
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: looks like to see that ball going and.

696
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: His his his his attention to detail.

697
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: So he showed me what I thought was working hard

698
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: looked like until I got to see him really what

699
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: hard work looks like.

700
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: It takes time, it takes sacrifice, you know, you know

701
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 4: you have to do the hard things.

702
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: You have to uh prepare your body, uh, because you

703
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: went through a lot of stuff to play, like with

704
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: his back and his ankles and all that stuff like that.

705
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 4: But They're all great people. You know. I had ricky

706
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 4: dodies like everybody else.

707
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: You know, you know, Larry wanted certain things, and Kevin

708
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: wonted certain things, and Chief won the certain things.

709
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 4: Uh and you do.

710
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: That just because you know you have to pay your due. So,

711
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: but they treated me great. They treated me like a

712
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: a little brother who was just dying just to be

713
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: around them. You know, the little brother that that follows

714
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 3: the big brother around the parks.

715
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: That's what I did.

716
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: And they never shunned me. Go away, you're young, Go away,

717
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: you know you're not ready for this. They embraced me,

718
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: and that made me realize when I got as a veteran,

719
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: I was going to do the exact same thing to

720
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: the guys that came, you know after me, like the

721
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: Vince Cards or.

722
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: Tracing Grady's, you know, the Chauncey Billups. Those guys got

723
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: a chance to be around and mentor. Uh So, those

724
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 4: three guys just bought a different perspective of everything about

725
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 4: how to be a veteran in the NBA.

726
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question before you before you

727
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: get to this next one, Dyllen, because I always like

728
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: to ask this the veterans and people you know, a

729
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: play in the association. How important is it to have

730
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: that type of veteran leadership in the league when you

731
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: come into the league your first one to three years,

732
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: How could your how does a young player's career like

733
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: turn if they don't have a Larry Bird, Kevin McHale,

734
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: Robert Parris assume the league on and off the court.

735
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: We we we love to talk about this on it

736
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: so I love to ask people, like, if you've been

737
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: in the front office, how important is it to have

738
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: a veteran leadership to show you the ropes in the NBA.

739
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: If you got dfted, if you got drafted by Washington

740
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: instead of Boston, Right.

741
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, I mean there's a.

742
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: I mean there is a lot of pitfalls as a

743
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: young player come into the league. You know, the obvious

744
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: things is we can say money and women, right, those.

745
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: Are two that are there that you everybody everybody knows.

746
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: Off the rip.

747
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: Okay, mine, you've got get out of money all of

748
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: a sudden, you gonna have a lot of attension. But me,

749
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: it's your circle.

750
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: Uh yes, man.

751
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: The people don't tell you what you tell you what

752
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: you want to hear, what you want to hear in the.

753
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 4: N b A in lockerom. You need.

754
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 3: You need truth tellers. You need you need, you need

755
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: truth tellers. People gonna tell your truth in the hirship feelings.

756
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: People gonna tell you when you fing up and not

757
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: working hard and in the street too much, and you know,

758
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 3: don't do this, don't go here, be careful, you hang

759
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 3: around because they listen. They they've been there, they've done that,

760
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: They've been around these people. They've seen different people, they've

761
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: seen different situations.

762
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

763
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 3: If it's and a lot of it. To me, veterans,

764
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: it's not so much, uh, the education of how to

765
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: play basketball. It's how to respect the game. I respect yourself.

766
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: I respect your teammates. I respect your coaches. I respect

767
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: the janitor, I respect the chaplain, the pilot on the plane.

768
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: Uh, people in the hotel.

769
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: Yes, yes to me, that's what veterans do, because that's

770
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: all important.

771
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: Listen. Can I tell Vince Carter how to dunk? Better? Man?

772
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 4: Probably not.

773
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: He jumped harder than me, he's a Probably he's a

774
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 3: better dunker than me. But what I can tell him

775
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: is how to conduct yourself in public?

776
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 4: You know, when you're out in the restaurant. You know

777
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 4: how to say yes ma'am.

778
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: And sit up straight and look people in the eye

779
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: like those type of things veterans do. Yes, veterans do

780
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: for for For young guys, it's the life stuff. You know,

781
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: they got eno people to tell you how good you are.

782
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: You should be getting more shots. Why coach ain't playing you?

783
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: You know, if I was you, I would say no, no, no, no,

784
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: how about the stuff that's going to have a lasting

785
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: effect on your life and your livelihood and your family.

786
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: Those type of things.

787
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: I deem that veterans are needed for an NBA because

788
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: the league's so young. Like when I came in the league,

789
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: the league was an old league. And what I mean

790
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: by that, your superstars are twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty,

791
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 3: wife and kids, you know, not hanging out as much

792
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: as maybe young guys now that be as seventeen eighteen nineteen.

793
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 4: Your superstars are twenty one, twenty two. You know, they

794
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: better go out and get a drink.

795
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 3: They're not legal enough to get a drink. And you're

796
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: telling me you're gonna tell me that you know about life.

797
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 3: I mean, your your your mind isn't fully developed to

798
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: twenty five years old. So you're gonna tell me your

799
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 3: twenty three, twenty four, twenty five year old person.

800
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: Is that veteran's gonna tell me.

801
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: How to live life and make rational and uh and

802
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: insane decisions?

803
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: You know that's that's tough. So have these old.

804
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: Heads on the bench in the front office. To me,

805
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: it's not so much a basketball talent physicality growth part.

806
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: It's a life skills. I will keep you focused, give

807
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: you some of these pitfalls you might see.

808
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: I'm just putting out there for you. If it's finances,

809
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 4: if it's relationships, if it's with your family, if it's

810
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: your friends, just just giving you some insight on what's

811
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: going to come now that you're in the NBA and

812
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 4: a professional professional basketball player.

813
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Before we get to the ninety one playoffs, our producer

814
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Eric was mentioned, I mean, what was going from Jacksonville

815
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: to Boston? Like, did you we obviously we have seen,

816
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: we obviously hear a lot from you know, different stories,

817
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: different visiting teams of what Boston was like in the

818
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: late eighties early nineties. Is it true that you had

819
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: some sort of like run in with the law, Like

820
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: was there you get stopped in your car and the

821
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: outskirts of Boston talk to us about that.

822
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 4: Well, I left Boston.

823
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 3: It was the first time when I got to Boston,

824
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: the first time I ever left Jacksonville. I went a

825
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: high school in Jacksonville with the College of Jacksonville. I

826
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: think I've seen snow maybe once and in my life

827
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: when I got to Boston, so it was a lot different.

828
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 3: And I remember my grandfather, you know, my mom's dad,

829
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: you know, great, great guy, but very southern, very southern guy.

830
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think he ever left Jacksonville ever

831
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: in his life, left the South. And I remember I

832
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: got drafted by the Celtics, and he loved, loved the Lakers,

833
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: loved the Lakers, but he loved basketball. And I remember

834
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: he said the first thing he said, Hey, you know,

835
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 3: you know, be careful you're going up south. And I

836
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: can't understand that term going up south. What does that mean?

837
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: He goes, just be careful son.

838
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 4: So you know me, you know, Bridey.

839
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: Bushy tell going to Boston. I'm playing with Larry Bird,

840
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 3: Kevin mccrolle, Robert Paris. I'm loving it. You hear the stories,

841
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: you know, you know hear the stories. But you know

842
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: what happened to Bill Russell and all the you know,

843
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: all the Casey Jones, all the players you know, Sat

844
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: Sanders that when they were there in Boston. And then

845
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: you go listen, those are authentic, real stories, like you

846
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 3: don't dismiss those.

847
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 4: Those are those those are their experiences.

848
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: And like you mentioned earlier, I had my experience as

849
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: soon as I got there, so I got drafted. I

850
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: was seeing June and then h and later that year

851
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: I was looking for a house, you know, trying to

852
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: find some where to live to get ready for the season.

853
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 3: It had to be maybe a couple of months there.

854
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: I don't remember the day. I think it was some

855
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: time in August before the Seaton started. I was in

856
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: in Wellesley, was the Alice skirts of Boston, and I

857
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: was at the post office getting my mail because I

858
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: didn't have a place shouts get my mail forwarded to

859
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 3: the post office back.

860
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 4: Then the a PO box.

861
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: So checking my mail and uh, basically, you know, cop

862
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 3: cars came to my car, thought I was a bank

863
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: robber that ropped the banker week earlier.

864
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: Had guns to my head, and you.

865
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: Know, I really thought I was going to die.

866
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: Honestly, did it was?

867
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 3: It was a very very traumatic situation in the sense

868
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 3: that the first thing I thought about was my granddad,

869
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: you know, the first thing I thought about. And it

870
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: had nothing to do again with uh something I did.

871
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 3: I was in my car, wasn't speeding doing anything illegal.

872
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: I was just sitting in my car. I got mistaken

873
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: as a bank robber.

874
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

875
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: And again, yeah, it's a black guy that drived the bank.

876
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: It was a black guy across the street. So you said,

877
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: I think about that stuff and you go, wow, you know,

878
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: is this really how it is at Boston? And I

879
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: made a consons decision to still live in that town.

880
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't sue the town. You know, I

881
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 3: wanted to be in Boston. I wanted to make change.

882
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: I wanted to make awareness. You know, a lot of

883
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 3: things happened in that time. I champion, the mayor resigned,

884
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: and the chief of police resigned, you know, because there's

885
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: a lot of change, a lot of conversation on why

886
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 3: is this happening.

887
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety And that was important to me.

888
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: But I love Boston. My wife's from Boston. She went

889
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: to cambri She's from Cambridge with the same high school

890
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: as with mel Robinson and Patrick Ewing. I've been married

891
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: thirty years. I still got family in Boston. She played

892
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: basketball in college out in Springfield, Massachusetts.

893
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 4: So I love Boston. I have nothing but love for Boston.

894
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: And people because I don't I don't base o one

895
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: incident on the people of Boston. You hear the stories

896
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: and there's places at any CD that you gotta be

897
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 3: careful where you go. It isn't it doesn't matter. There's

898
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: there's places that are dangerous for everyone. You know, Uh, race,

899
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: you know, you know, authenticity, you.

900
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: Know, uh, gender, that doesn't matter, that's just awareness, that's

901
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: just knowing you're where you are, the surroundings. And but

902
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: I was just a Boston during the holiday season and

903
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: it was great, love it. People saw me, d you

904
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 4: welcome back, graduated in town, see your family. People know

905
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 4: it's a family up there. And I still love the Celtics.

906
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: That's always gonna be number one. As you see behind me,

907
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 4: you know that's the team that I love.

908
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was, uh that that experience was different

909
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 3: because it's just you know, it brings awareness to these

910
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: things happen. Now, what if what if I wasn't a Celtic, Well,

911
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: you know, with something worse. You know, you start to

912
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 3: think about that, you know, how much is this? Does

913
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: this happen that nobody knows about?

914
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: You know?

915
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: Those are the conversations you start having in your mind

916
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: that this could be anybody. This could be any somebody's

917
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 3: child or you know, somebody's brother or husband.

918
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 4: You know. So those things played on my my, my, my,

919
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 4: my soul a little.

920
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: Bit because if I wasn't a Celtic, somebody recognized me saying, Hey,

921
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: that's the guy that just got drafted by it.

922
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: That's how That's how I knew it wasn't I wasn't

923
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 4: a bank robber.

924
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: Somebody walked by and say, no, that's the guy just

925
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 3: got drafted by the Assultic.

926
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 4: I see him in a newspaper.

927
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: That's the word. Somebody said that I'm been in a

928
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: situation like that, believe it or not. Four years later

929
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: in Westwood in California, and that happened to me, a

930
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: case of mistaken identity, and uh, they put me down

931
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: to the grounds and that leaves a stain on your brain.

932
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: Guns drawn on the curve like a regular criminal. And

933
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: I literally have what U c l A team sweats

934
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: And they flashed the light on me, and they were

935
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: like turnover and then I got luck and one of

936
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: the officers was like Jilani and I was like, oh man,

937
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: this is lame, you know what I mean. And then

938
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: you go like, what if I was in Solana, It's

939
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: been over for me exactly thirty seconds. If I had

940
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: something smart, you know what I mean. Yes, but it

941
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: always is to stay on your life. Okay, I'm doing well.

942
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, in your case, I'm d Brown,

943
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Yeah, you know, a guard for the Celtics,

944
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: but I need to keep my attendant that.

945
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, antent is up all the time. Yeah, and that's

946
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 4: you know, that's just just knowing that.

947
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 3: But again that that was my I guess my first

948
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: experience when I got to Boston after the fanfare of

949
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: being drafted and you know, you know, going to the

950
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: city and you know, riding around and meeting everybody, and

951
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you come back as a as

952
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: a new rookie.

953
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 4: The fanfare is over.

954
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: You know, you don't have the cameras around, you know,

955
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: pointing you around Copy Square and back Bay. You're just

956
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 3: kind of trying to find your way and that happens.

957
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, it does it puts like you said, Jolana

958
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: little stay in your mind. But I never use that

959
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: as something that that all people in Boston. And the

960
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: same thing people say about the Celtics fans, like you know,

961
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: I've hurt former players or players who played at Boston,

962
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: like I hate this. I hate Boston because their fans

963
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 3: are terrible. Well, I've had people yell at me in Chicago, Detroit, San.

964
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 4: Antonio, Utah, Utah.

965
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: Trust so I don't say I hate Salt Lake City. Yeah,

966
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 3: the fans, the the Utah Jazz fans hate Celtics players,

967
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 3: you know, because they love their team. So yeah, there's

968
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not dismissive of bad people and bad behavior,

969
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: but I know it's it's as as an athlete, and

970
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 3: John you can speak for this as well. You know, well,

971
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: you play for a certain team, the other team's gonna

972
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: not like you. I'm You're you're gonna hear bad things.

973
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna hear things. Now, well, we've getten to the

974
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 3: point where I think it just happening with Luca. People

975
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: cross the line a little bit, but they say, you know,

976
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: are the things they say they talk about somebody's.

977
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: Family, their mom or the kids.

978
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: Okay, that's that's you know, there's an unwritten rule that

979
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 3: things out of bounce. But you know, fans are fans,

980
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 3: and you hate you hate it for people cross the line.

981
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: But my experience of Boston, I loved it, every minute

982
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: of it. I still go up there and visit my family, uh,

983
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: and I just love the area.

984
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: So back to the season, the ninety one playoffs, your

985
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: first taste of the playoffs, you have two really tight series.

986
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: You win against Indiana in five games in the first round,

987
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: and then you play the Bad Boys, which is fresh

988
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: off there. You know, they're coming off two straight championships

989
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: starting in Indiana. That's the series that you mentioned. Bird

990
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: at his back issues he smashes his face on the ground,

991
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: goes back to the locker room, comes back to a

992
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: standing ovation. What memories do you have of your first

993
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: taste of the postseason, And for you as a rookie,

994
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: you're playing huge minutes. You know, we talk talk about

995
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: the nineties and eighties being so physical. I mean you're

996
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: what like one hundred and fifty five pounds at that point,

997
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: Like what.

998
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 4: Is I was what sixty five?

999
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: What are your first memories of that Indiana series and

1000
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: then maybe specifically that Bird battling injuries him versus Chuck Person.

1001
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: What do you remember from that series.

1002
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this, I'm not gonna I'm gonna say

1003
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: this in this way, and I'll and I'll circle back

1004
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: to it.

1005
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 4: Uh. It was easy, you know why because.

1006
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: I was open after the playoffs because they were Dublin Larry.

1007
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: They're Doublin Kevin, They're doublin Chief, They're doublin Larry.

1008
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 4: I mean, Reggie.

1009
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: I was open the whole Indiana and Detroit series. So

1010
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: I was like, so.

1011
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 4: The first experience of Larry Bird and Chuck Person like

1012
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 4: that was like that was made for TV. That was

1013
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 4: made for TV.

1014
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: Oh Man the rifle Man because he was in Indiana

1015
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 3: and Larry talking mess to him, like that was made

1016
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: for TV. Like them going back and forth them like

1017
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 3: you know, if I win the series year, I come

1018
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: on my grass during off season, like those are real

1019
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: things that happened, you know Larry, you know.

1020
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 4: Chuck, you know with the Rifleman thing.

1021
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: It's just to be a part of Reggie Miller obviously,

1022
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: now he was coming to his own a little bit,

1023
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: just to be in that series, to see that and

1024
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: being in the garden your first year is like it's unbelievable,

1025
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: like the.

1026
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 4: Organ playing, you know, no scoreboard, no dancers, no nothing.

1027
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: Market marketplace straightly.

1028
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 4: Hooping, Yes, marketplace. That place is so loud, straight hooping.

1029
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: So we got past that and then I were playing

1030
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: obviously the world champions, you know, the back to back

1031
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: world champions, you know, Isaiah, who's you know, my idol

1032
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: growing up. And then the bad boys with my horn

1033
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 3: and Lambier and Rothman and Sally and Buddhah like it

1034
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: was that was my coming out party, you know, because

1035
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: you know, to go back to what I said at

1036
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: the beginning, and they didn't respect me because I was

1037
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 3: a rookie and they knew who could beat them. They

1038
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: knew Larry Bird and McHale and Paris and regulars could

1039
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 3: beat them.

1040
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 4: They didn't know what.

1041
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 3: They didn't know that I had a chance of making

1042
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: the series a series. And I remember that Larry's Larry

1043
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: would tell.

1044
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: Me like dude, like.

1045
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: Like tell them to stop doubling me. I want to

1046
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: play two. I want to get some shots up to

1047
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: tell your guy to stay on you. I want to

1048
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: get some shots up. And those guys always thought they

1049
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 3: were open. They always thought they had a mismatch. Nobody

1050
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: who was guarding those four guys they had a mismatch.

1051
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: So it's me and Larry, four Hall of famers on

1052
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: the court. So the experience was great because I got

1053
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: a chance to grow.

1054
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 4: I got a chance to.

1055
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: Play against arguably the top guard under six feet six

1056
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: feet ever to play in basketball, and Isaiah Thomas. The

1057
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,479
Speaker 3: reason why I wore number four in college is because

1058
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: of Joe Dumars. So I'm playing against another one of

1059
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 3: my idols. Him and Ron Harper were my two favorite

1060
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 3: players growing up. That's why I wore four in college.

1061
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: So the being that environment and be paying against the

1062
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: world champions, Like, that's why that's when you make your mark.

1063
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 3: Like I said, like the biggest thing in Boston is

1064
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Like you can have a great regular season

1065
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 3: and fall in the playoffs and it's a bad matter.

1066
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: You get to the final, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

1067
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 3: So this is when you make your Celtis legacy. You know,

1068
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: all the numbers that retired are the great players in

1069
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. You know, top fifty all time,

1070
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: top seventy five all time, eighteen to twenty one are Celtics,

1071
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 3: you know, over the course of of you know, since

1072
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 3: you know, nineteen thirties, you know, nineteen forties when the

1073
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: Southern started winning championship and obviously in the in the

1074
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: fifties and.

1075
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 4: Sixties, so.

1076
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: That's when you know, you you build your legs and

1077
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: your name as a Celtic in the playoffs. So I

1078
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: took that as a challenge because nobody knew what it was.

1079
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 3: You know, I wanted dunk contests. So people are like, Okay,

1080
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: you know he wanted dunk contests. He's you know, he

1081
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: can done, but can't he play? Can He helped team

1082
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 3: win and I was having a great rookie year, you know,

1083
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: I was third and voting a Rookie of the Year.

1084
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: That year, I made the All Rookie team. So I felt

1085
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 3: that the playoffs just kind of gave me a boost

1086
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: of confidence, uh, moving into the next year. You know,

1087
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: with Larry and the trains we talked about earlier, the

1088
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: transition between the Big three and now myself and Reggie,

1089
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 3: that was that was a back quarter of the future,

1090
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: you know, me and Reggie.

1091
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 4: So I was looking forward to that.

1092
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: That that that that that that growth of being a

1093
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 3: part of the next next group of guys coming through

1094
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 3: to to build the Celtics. So but it was a

1095
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: great it was a great series. You know, like they

1096
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: beat us in and I think six games, uh, you know,

1097
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: Isaiah's some crazy bank shot off the glass and end

1098
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: up playing the Bulls. So I always I always told

1099
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 3: my kids, it's funny. I go, you know what that

1100
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: last dance that should have been us, that should have

1101
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: been us playing the George Championship.

1102
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: You know, they laugh, Well, it wasn't you. It was

1103
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 4: it was a distance. I said, you know, okay, you're right,

1104
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 4: you're right, but.

1105
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: That we we had the team built to beat the

1106
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: hope to compete against the.

1107
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 4: Bulls that year to win a championship. But you know,

1108
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 4: we didn't get past the Pistons.

1109
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: Dude, I want to go back to the Slam to

1110
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: the slam dunk contests. Two things I want to talk about,

1111
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 2: you know, obviously the thing that everybody wants to know.

1112
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: We don't have to spend a bunch of time on it,

1113
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: and how the legendary pumping of the rebox and you know,

1114
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: sending Rebok into the stratosphere with you know, the pump model.

1115
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: But before we talk about rebound. You spoke to it

1116
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 2: a little bit. After winning the dunk contest, is there

1117
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: like a I don't know if stigma is the right word,

1118
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: but after winning the contest is there another like almost

1119
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: proving of yourself you have to go through because like, okay,

1120
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: like you said, is he just a dunker? Like you

1121
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like is he just here to

1122
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: you know, be in a layup line and done? Is

1123
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: there another click or a level you have to go

1124
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 2: to to almost prove yourself as a real basketball player

1125
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: not just a slam dunk champion.

1126
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: I was lucky because number one Celtics was supposed to

1127
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: be dunk contest. I was like, like, like Assaultic and

1128
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: a dunk contest.

1129
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 4: Like what is going on?

1130
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: So that helped me a little bit that after I

1131
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 3: won the dunk Contest, I still had to go back

1132
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: to a team, Like there was a championship prepared team.

1133
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 4: So I had to go back and play. I had

1134
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 4: to go back and fulfill my.

1135
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 3: Role as a rookie, uh be a you know, obviously

1136
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 3: a sponge to young guys, help them, you know, get

1137
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: a chance to another championship. So it got to a

1138
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: point it's funny that, you know, you know, eighty two

1139
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 3: games is a long year.

1140
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 4: And I played the two games my rookie year, like

1141
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 4: I played every.

1142
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 3: Game, and you know, you know that's not a thing

1143
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: now playing eighty two games. But I played two games.

1144
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 3: And I remember late in the season, you know, you

1145
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: get a little tired, rookie said, hundred and sixty five

1146
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: pounds banging against you know, big huge guards. I got

1147
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: a fast break, Loune lay up one time, and I

1148
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: laid it up.

1149
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about the Boston fans. I'm not on

1150
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 4: the road. They want to see the dunk hut. Yeah,

1151
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 4: and they booed me so bad. I was like, yo,

1152
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 4: what is going on? It's two points.

1153
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: But then I hit me like, oh, I'm the dunk

1154
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: champion that time I get a chance to be around.

1155
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: You're sposed to something.

1156
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: I gotta show something. I gotta hanging on the rim.

1157
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 4: And that was the funny part. So it hit me.

1158
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: But the older veteran guys, they brought me back to reality, like, dude,

1159
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 3: like that's part of your game.

1160
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 4: That's who you are. You know, you're you know, young guy,

1161
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 4: is established yourself.

1162
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: Show everybody what you can do and I did that

1163
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: from from day one anyway, So it wasn't really, you know,

1164
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: something I had to prove because I had guys with

1165
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: me that made sure, uh that my game was more

1166
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 3: than just being a dunker.

1167
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: Well rebook, I saw I saw on your Instagram the

1168
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: Mischief the Mischief shoes, the maker of the pump model

1169
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: to give us talking about it about your rebox situation

1170
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: and did you know what you were doing, mister d Brown.

1171
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: Were you a marketing genius at this point in time

1172
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: in your career or was this or was this just

1173
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: something you did in the moment that led to, you know,

1174
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: a legendary iconic moment.

1175
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 3: It's funny, I I already had a rebound contract already

1176
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: because that was really the only the only company that

1177
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: really want to give me a shoe, Like, Hey, we're

1178
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 3: gonna give you shoes for free, gang use of money.

1179
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 4: I was like really, now you know, I was like, really,

1180
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 4: if they're based in.

1181
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: Boston, they're a basic stole in my shoes. So there

1182
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: was a no brainer my whole mindset. It wasn't the money.

1183
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 4: It was like I could go to the warehouse and

1184
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 4: go get as much stuff I want for me and

1185
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 4: my family any time. Yeah, I was like, I was like,

1186
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 4: sign me up.

1187
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: So I always already had a rebound contract already before

1188
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 3: the contest.

1189
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

1190
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: And they didn't know I was gonna pump my shoes

1191
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: or that NoDEA. I was wearing the pumps during the

1192
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 3: season already.

1193
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 4: I love to shoot.

1194
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: It wasn't a gimmick. I didn't like tape of my ankles,

1195
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 3: so I would pump up my shoes for comfort. I

1196
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 3: hate to take my I never take my ankles in college,

1197
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 3: so I use that as a excuse to not get

1198
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 3: my ankles taped.

1199
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: But it worked for me.

1200
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 3: So when the when the contest happened, I was like,

1201
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 3: you know, I got I gotta do something that's different,

1202
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: like to get the fans behind me. Because it was

1203
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 3: in Charlotte. Rex Chapman and Kendall Gill was in the turn.

1204
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 3: It was in the contest, and they're both from playing

1205
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: for Charlotte, so nobody knew what what I was going

1206
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: to do. I said, I got just do something to

1207
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: get the crowd on my side, or you know, uh,

1208
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: some some flare to it, you know, and and I

1209
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: you know, that's why that's why I came up with it.

1210
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: And they they found out when I did it that

1211
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 3: I was doing that, Like what what is going on? So, uh,

1212
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 3: you know, the rest is history. I'm so Rebuk athlete,

1213
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 3: you know. Still you know my son you know you

1214
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: saw the Mission shoes. My son Man did a national

1215
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: commercial for them with the with the new shoes. My

1216
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: daughter Lexi's a Rebuk athlete. So they've done They've done

1217
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 3: well for us over the past thirty five years. But

1218
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: you know, doing the pump, you know, you know people

1219
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 3: still talk about to this day, which is very you know,

1220
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: people people are gonna identify with a shoe.

1221
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 4: Yes, people still identify that.

1222
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 3: Shoe with me, and they come out with different shoes

1223
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: every year. So it's a very special moment. And the

1224
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: Rebox has been very, very very gracious to me and

1225
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 3: my family over the years to make sure that I'm

1226
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 3: still involved with the company.

1227
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: Did they give you the cabinet?

1228
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1229
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, did they give did they give

1230
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: you a cabinet position?

1231
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 4: But no, I got a real job. You talk about

1232
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 4: that the president.

1233
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: I got time, you know, listen, I I talk to

1234
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: those guys and and listen, They're gonna do a great

1235
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 3: job doing that. And I'm again, I'm involved with doing

1236
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: stuff during all sort weekend and different launches of shoes

1237
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 3: and and and supporting like people like Angel Reese, n

1238
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 3: I L Deal or Justin Fields who they signed for

1239
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 3: football but for the basketball side with Scheck and A.

1240
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 3: I listen, those guys are different level of icons I am.

1241
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 3: You know, people know me because of the pump uh

1242
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 3: and what I did with the shoe and I sold

1243
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: a lot of shoes and put Reebok on the map

1244
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 3: at that time and level, those guys took it to

1245
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: another level. You shock and AI so much respect to

1246
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: those guys, you know, being still involved with the company

1247
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 3: and obviously trying to obviously get the company back, you

1248
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 3: know in basketball and changing the narrative of you know,

1249
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: you know all the different shoe companies out there, so

1250
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 3: uh you know it.

1251
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 4: Just you know it's it's it's a lot of shoes

1252
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 4: out there. There's a lot of companies. You know back

1253
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 4: then with jacky Reebok and you know the converse, you

1254
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 4: know now you know new bounces back in.

1255
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 3: You know, so many different shoes back into it know

1256
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: so many players, so you know, to to my only

1257
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 3: my only claim to fame is that at one time,

1258
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: there's only three guys had their own shoe.

1259
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 4: Jordan Barkley Brown. That was it. That's my only came

1260
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: to fame. Again, those guys are different levels, but.

1261
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: Still you had he was able to afford your moment

1262
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: and to put a ball on the idea as a

1263
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: history in and as a dunker like you brought the

1264
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 2: showman ship back to the Dunk contest. Before that time,

1265
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: it was just get your is them off, get go

1266
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: sit down. Nobody was turning to the crowd or you

1267
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: know adding you know some showman shocked elements. It was

1268
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: just do your win meal, do Dominique, do the power

1269
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: dunk and then they hold up the card and then

1270
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: you go sit down. As a fan, you opened up

1271
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: the imagination to the Dunk Contest back again because it

1272
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: was still for a minute. Now they done took it

1273
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: somewhere else now, you know what I mean with some

1274
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: of the props and some of the car Yeah, blame me.

1275
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 4: Now because they're like, you want to bought on that

1276
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 4: marketing and external stuff to the punk contests.

1277
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: That wasn't the reason I was doing it. I was

1278
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 3: doing it because I wanted to win. I want in

1279
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: the crowd and because you remember back then, you know, Jo,

1280
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: that was the event.

1281
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 4: That was it. Player was there, every celebrity was there.

1282
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 3: I got an old picture somewhere and I'm looking on thing,

1283
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 3: but is that real's sitting there on the sideline and

1284
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: he's a fresh prince and that person and like that

1285
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: was the event back then, like the Marquee event.

1286
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 4: You know, Magic was.

1287
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: There and was Indeed, the brands was in the PEPSI

1288
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: cod was in there above wise like every big, every

1289
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: big had a state from all the brands was in

1290
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: there watching.

1291
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 4: That was it. Yeah.

1292
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 3: So so it's special to be in that era where

1293
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: you know, you felt like you you promoted the obviously

1294
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: the NBA. Well also you know you started a generation

1295
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 3: of guys thinking outside the box and the contest, like

1296
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 3: you said.

1297
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 4: It's it's taking off to a different level.

1298
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: You know, the phone boosts and the cars ambulance.

1299
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 4: Yeah we could, we can use props. Like there was

1300
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 4: no props, no cars, no chairs, no people hats, so nothing.

1301
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 4: It was just like straight donk. So you had to

1302
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 4: be a little creative back then.

1303
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: Uh in the nineties, no cupcakes with the bird with

1304
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: the birthday can god got so so kind of just

1305
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: wrapping up here. Appreciate your time so much. I know

1306
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: this has gone a little bit over, but I want

1307
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: to kind of close the close the door on the

1308
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: Boston experience. So you end up losing in six to

1309
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: Detroit in nineteen ninety one, you lose to Cleveland the

1310
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: next year BYRD retires, McHale retires, Reggie passes, tragically passes,

1311
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: and you mentioned there was this perfect setup for this

1312
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: bridge of eras that that doesn't happen, and in the

1313
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: mid nineties, I would think that the team in the

1314
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: organization is probably just a little bit lost because again,

1315
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: Reggie Lewis passes seven eight years before that, Len Bias passes.

1316
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 1: I want you to bring us inside the locker room

1317
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 1: or however you communicated with teammates. When Rick Patino gets

1318
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: the job as coach, as GM as president, and so

1319
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: much has been talked about this. Obviously, Patino tries to

1320
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: implement what he did at Kentucky, full court presses, tape practices,

1321
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: a lot of running. At what point did you realize

1322
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: that this was not going to work.

1323
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go back to.

1324
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 3: Me the end of the era when Reggie passed away,

1325
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 3: and we'll start from there. And we'll work our way up.

1326
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 3: You know where Reggie passed away. Uh, Like I said,

1327
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: I got vaught int to be in the face of

1328
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: the franchise, being the a you know one a player.

1329
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: And listen I had after I had some really really

1330
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 3: good years, average like sixteen and a half points a game.

1331
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: You know, I had a chance to lead the All

1332
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 3: Star Game. You know, you know I had some good years.

1333
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 3: We got to the playoffs and lost. You know, Chris

1334
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 3: Ford got fired being mL CAR came. But those my

1335
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 3: best basketball years are my worst mental years because I

1336
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 3: was in a fog because of Reggie. I just couldn't

1337
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 3: I couldn't get passed. I think that year after you passed,

1338
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 3: I don't.

1339
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 4: I don't think.

1340
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 3: I don't remember that year. Like honestly, people people ask, like,

1341
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 3: you don't. I don't remember a game I remember playing.

1342
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 3: I might've been doing very well. I remember having forty

1343
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 3: point games here and forty point games here, But I

1344
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 3: don't remember this season. And I just felt empty and

1345
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: lost for a whole season because there's nothing you could

1346
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 3: prepare for losing a teammate out of the blue, a

1347
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 3: guy retiring, a guy gets traded. Okay, you can revamp,

1348
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: but a franchise, a franchise player, not every every every

1349
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 3: loss is important, but in the basketball schemes of the franchise,

1350
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 3: when you leave a player like that, that's a that's

1351
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: an eighteen year recovery period. It was a five to

1352
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 3: seven year old card period with Lenny passed away and

1353
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 3: then the Reggie came like okay, whoof we got it back,

1354
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 3: and then he goes and he passes away.

1355
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 4: So all of a sudden, all eyes are on Deep

1356
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,959
Speaker 4: Brown and it was tough.

1357
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 3: It was, It was, it was hard. Had some great

1358
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 3: years and then obviously you know, we've got really bad.

1359
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 3: And a year the year it was so bad. I

1360
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 3: remember this year before Rick Patino came. I think there

1361
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 3: were eight guys on that team that wasn't even an NBA.

1362
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 4: The next year. That's how, that's how. That's how bad

1363
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 4: our team was like as far as talent, because we

1364
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 4: were like we weren't tanking.

1365
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: We just wasn't good for there was no tank for

1366
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: duncan hold on.

1367
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 4: We were getting tank.

1368
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 3: We're running that good like it wasn't even that the

1369
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 3: best we could play was losing. We would It really

1370
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 3: wasn't that good. And that's not listen. That's not a

1371
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 3: knock on those guys because I was part of his wealth.

1372
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 4: I was part of his wealth.

1373
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 3: So I take responsibility for losing games and not being

1374
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 3: uh what the Celtics fans deserved, and that during the

1375
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 3: course of their history of sports.

1376
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 4: So I was that was really the bridge of the

1377
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 4: old Celtics and the New Celtics.

1378
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 3: I was the last one left. Everybody was going. I

1379
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 3: was the only one to play with Bird and then

1380
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 3: Michael and Paris for they, and then obviously Reggie and

1381
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 3: then you know, the new Celtics Latino got there, and

1382
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 3: then I was revamping the team and organization and you know,

1383
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 3: pushing Red out and bringing all the.

1384
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 4: Kentucky guys in. And that was tough. That was tough

1385
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 4: because I was there and I understood the history. I

1386
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 4: lived the history. I was in the old Boston garden.

1387
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: I used to spend time with Red and Sat Sanders

1388
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 3: and Hinzen and Coozy and have the check and you know, uh,

1389
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 3: DJ and Casey Jones, and I could name guys that

1390
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: was at our practice every day every day. These guys

1391
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 3: are practice every day and for a guy like Rick

1392
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: to come in and really want to just wipe that out.

1393
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 4: That bothered me like that. That bought more than anything.

1394
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 4: You don't have to dismiss You don't dismiss fifty six

1395
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 4: years of history because you're trying to change it to

1396
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 4: be what you are. You kind of.

1397
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: These Kentucky you know what I mean?

1398
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So it was It was very very to me.

1399
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 3: I felt insulted because I was a captain at that time.

1400
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 3: I felt a little bit of insulted that we're just

1401
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 3: gonna dismiss all these years of greatness.

1402
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 4: Uh and read our book.

1403
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 3: Who's been the patriarch h this inorganization forever from day one?

1404
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 3: You don't just kind of like push him aside.

1405
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: So he pushed so he so because I think it's

1406
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: a little bit unclear, maybe it's been written like Red

1407
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: was very outspoken.

1408
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 4: He took, he took, he took his title so present.

1409
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: But but Red was outspoken and saying, this is what

1410
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: I want to happen. This is I want Patino, he's

1411
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: my guy. But was that just do you think to

1412
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: try and be a good teammate quote unquote.

1413
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 3: I want to look at the first two seasons of

1414
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 3: our our our year Patino was there say games was

1415
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 3: at Red never missed the game, never missed the game.

1416
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 3: And then once all the Blatino stuff came, you know,

1417
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,919
Speaker 3: I think it's not that he did so much pushed

1418
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 3: him out. He just didn't gather input from him or

1419
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to say blessings because Red

1420
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 3: still was sharp, Red still had a basketball minds, Red

1421
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 3: still had contacts, Red still understood the game. And it

1422
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 3: was kind of like I said, it was just kind

1423
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 3: of a clear cut separation of old Celtics and this

1424
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 3: is what we're doing now.

1425
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 4: And that's hard.

1426
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 3: That's that's a very very hard pill to swallow. Maybe

1427
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 3: I just was stubborn. Maybe I didn't want to see

1428
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: it because I was part of the old regime. But

1429
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: it was everything this they became, you know, and I'm

1430
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 3: sure you've heard of other people.

1431
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: It was.

1432
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 3: It became a college environment. Like we, like you said,

1433
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 3: we taped for shoot arounds. You know, we couldn't wear

1434
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 3: sweatpants when it was you know cold. You know, we're

1435
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 3: pressed all the time. You know, we had three and

1436
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 3: a half hour practices, you know, we you know, it

1437
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 3: was you know, it was, it was It was a lot,

1438
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 3: especially being the eight year that sound was eight year veteran,

1439
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: you know, still part of you know, the Celtics and

1440
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 3: one and I've never thought I'd never ever thought I

1441
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 3: would ever not played for Celtics. I never I thought

1442
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 3: I was gonna retire there. And you know again I

1443
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 3: was the last one there, so I was I knew.

1444
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 3: But the wright was on the wall, you know, like

1445
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 3: Giant said, start bringing the Kentucky guys in, start changing

1446
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 3: the way he wanted to play.

1447
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 4: I remember, and this is.

1448
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: One thing about Rick Patino that dude knows how to coach.

1449
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't you talk about coach, you talk about the game,

1450
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 3: A student, a master of mind that he was like

1451
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 3: a maniac coach.

1452
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 4: He was great.

1453
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 3: I would There's not a guy who was more prepared,

1454
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 3: more insightful, ah had passion for the game than Rick Patino.

1455
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 3: Here's the other stuff that people had paus with Wrick

1456
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 3: with you know, the ego or you know, this is

1457
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 3: my team and you're just here to play for me.

1458
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,439
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of other things that that rough

1459
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 3: people the wrong way who are former Celtics or a

1460
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: part of the organization. You know, the things that you

1461
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 3: know obviously transpired along the way while he.

1462
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 4: Was there that was more than into anything. It wasn't

1463
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 4: his basketball acumen, it was the other stuff that kind

1464
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 4: of rub people all the wrong way.

1465
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 3: And you know, like I remember, like my last game

1466
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 3: ever in the ball and at that time, it was

1467
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 3: the TV Garden whatever they called the dam. With my

1468
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 3: last home game before I got traded, I ended up

1469
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 3: breaking Larry Birds three point record the most threes in

1470
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 3: the game I had. I had eight or nine. I've

1471
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 3: got the number eight or nine in the game, and

1472
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,799
Speaker 3: I broke his record. And that was the first time.

1473
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 4: In about probably five or six years that people chanted

1474
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 4: my name. And I was like, man, I'm back, Like

1475
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 4: I feel like I'd be a partist organization. You know,

1476
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 4: you know, Rick's gonna trust me. You know.

1477
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 3: I just broke birst record with the most threes in

1478
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 3: the game. We go to All Star break, I'll come

1479
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 3: back and get traded. So that was my last, literally

1480
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 3: my last game of Boston. So basically it was like

1481
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 3: it's like, thank you for showing that you can still play,

1482
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 3: so I can get radio ass fact. But but but no,

1483
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 3: but I remember, I remember when I got traded. We

1484
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 3: were on the road trip, you know, and uh, we're

1485
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 3: on West Coast road trip. We played I think we

1486
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 3: played Sacameto. I didn't play.

1487
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 4: You remember, I just had a great game, Like I

1488
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 4: just scored thirty some points. I was like, you know,

1489
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 4: I'm back in the rotation. You know.

1490
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 3: Uh, We're on the road trip playing soccer Medo and

1491
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 3: I don't play. Chauncey Bilton play and Chancey's a rookie.

1492
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: I guess top top ten, top three, picking the.

1493
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 3: Drive and Chohn's like, man, we're not playing. Go I go, Chauncey.

1494
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 3: We got traded, so no, we can't go.

1495
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 4: I've been around a long time. We just got traded.

1496
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 4: So we get on the bus.

1497
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 3: We went to Vancouver at the time, the Grizzls and

1498
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 3: Vancouver still so we got on the bus.

1499
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 4: You know, they're talking to Chauncey. They don't talk to me,

1500
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 4: but I kind of knew I'm part of this bill somewhere.

1501
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 3: I don't know where we're going. We get to the

1502
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 3: hotel in Vancouver, you know, wake up the next morning.

1503
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 3: There's a note under my door says, don't come to

1504
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 3: don't come to the bus.

1505
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 4: You've been traded. That was That's how I got That's

1506
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 4: how I got told. I got traded.

1507
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 3: I have to spend eight years with the Celtics by

1508
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 3: by by Rick Patino and that group. That's a that's

1509
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 3: the part that hurt me.

1510
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 2: A handwritten note, I don't know.

1511
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 4: I don't think Rick wrote it he did, I don't know.

1512
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: Damn, that's like that. That's that's like toilet, that's like.

1513
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 4: That was that was. That was hurtful.

1514
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 3: That was a hurtful part about the whole the thing.

1515
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 3: I respect Rick, I think I said, I think it's

1516
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 3: a great, great coach, you know, a great steward for

1517
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: the game of stuff he's doing in college. And you know,

1518
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 3: people talk about all the other stuff, but those type

1519
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 3: of things that you know, you remember, you know, I

1520
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 3: mean I was that was you know, yeah, you know

1521
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 3: you're you're veteran in the league.

1522
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 4: You know.

1523
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 3: It was captain of the Celtics, you know for five years,

1524
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, after after Larry and Chief retired, I was

1525
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 3: the captain of the Celtics. So you feel like you

1526
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 3: earned a little bit.

1527
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 4: More respect than that. So yeah, that was tough.

1528
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 2: Like that was.

1529
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 3: That was a tough stretch, you know, and the nineties

1530
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 3: basically kind of gets forgotten, it really does. It's funny

1531
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 3: we talked about nineties Celtics and it goes from Bird retiring,

1532
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 3: Brady passed away.

1533
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 4: To Paul Pierce. So nobody talks about the years of

1534
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 4: between because they're pretty lame, to be honest.

1535
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: So the crazy, I mean, the crazy thing and we

1536
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: talked about this is that Bias passes, Reggie passes, and

1537
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: Pierce comes like an inch away from dying.

1538
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, the cursall forwards in Boston or something like that.

1539
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 4: That was different. Yeah, that was a different.

1540
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: Type of almost situation.

1541
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, define situation.

1542
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 3: But yeah, he said that, and it's it's it's it's

1543
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 3: it's it's crazy because I didn't play with Paul.

1544
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 4: I got traded year before Paul got there.

1545
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 3: I played with Antwine and so that was obviously Rich

1546
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 3: Patino's first year with Anton was there as a rookie

1547
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 3: and kind was special, like he you know, he was

1548
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 3: like the if he played his area right now, he

1549
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 3: would he would be great because he was the first

1550
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 3: guy that that there was.

1551
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 4: Like shooting a ton of threes. I got a ton

1552
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 4: of threes as a as a as a small four

1553
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 4: power for but but there.

1554
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 3: That that that that segment between ninety three and ninety eight.

1555
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 3: That five years was a very difficult time in such history.

1556
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 3: I'm very honest with that, and I'm very honest about

1557
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 3: myself of what I tried to accomplish. You know, you know,

1558
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 3: I know it's you know, it's very skewed. But I'll

1559
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 3: hold every office of record in the nineties in Celtics history,

1560
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 3: like points, score, assists, you know, steals, you know, free throws,

1561
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 3: like I'll hold a lot of the records in the nineties.

1562
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,919
Speaker 4: But again it's a little skew. Reggie passed away, Bird retired,

1563
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 4: piercing get there to ninety eight.

1564
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 3: So but I spent a lot of time my first

1565
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: eight years of my career in Boston, and my father

1566
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 3: was my last five years. You know, wasn't the greatest

1567
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 3: as far as on the court, but I did a

1568
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 3: compt a lot of things off the court with my

1569
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 3: relationships with people, family friends, you know, you know, community

1570
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and building a relationship with there because

1571
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 3: I can still go back, I can still go back

1572
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 3: to Boston and people still felt that I gave all

1573
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 3: I gift, regardless of the the Ripatino situation or you know,

1574
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,839
Speaker 3: us being so bad winning. I think we won fifteen

1575
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 3: games the Unfolt we got in the in the dunk

1576
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 3: and sweepstakes and we ended up getting three and five.

1577
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 3: It was Chauncey and Ron Mercer.

1578
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 2: Bah my god, yes, my.

1579
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 4: Guy, Ron Mercer. So yeah, you look at it. Charlcea.

1580
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 3: Bill is a third pick in the drive end up

1581
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 3: being a world champion m v P. Now he's coaching

1582
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 3: Portland Trail Blazers. You know, I got a chance to

1583
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 3: be around him a lot, you know, you know, after

1584
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: his career as well, Like you know, you love those stories.

1585
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 4: You know, you love those stories. You know, you know,

1586
01:13:58,800 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 4: so it wasn't all bad.

1587
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta you gotta look at it and

1588
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: kind of laugh sometimes.

1589
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 4: I guess.

1590
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: I guess getting getting uh traded from a handwritten no

1591
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: is probably like the nineteen ninety eight version of getting

1592
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: broken up by text or something. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1593
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 4: Uh yeah.

1594
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: Uh.

1595
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: Jilani uh informed me that you I guess, surely after

1596
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: you're retired, where the you were the head coach and

1597
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: general manager of a D League team? And I guess

1598
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: was that like Patino Obviously he wasn't just the coach,

1599
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: he was the GM, the president. Is that physical?

1600
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 4: Is it it?

1601
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't I think it's maybe worked like two or

1602
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: three times ever where a coach was also the front

1603
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: office decision maker and had success. There's plenty of examples

1604
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: where it didn't go well, Patino being one of them.

1605
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: Like you, you sat in that chair and are one

1606
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,560
Speaker 1: of the only people that did. Like is that is

1607
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: it possible to succeed in that position or do you

1608
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: have to be like a pat Riley like figure to

1609
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: have any success? Because it doesn't seem like an easy job.

1610
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: And you spoke a lot about, like, you know, the

1611
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: difficulties going from player to front office, but wearing both

1612
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: of those hats where you're the coach and you're the

1613
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: person that can trade you that night.

1614
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 3: Right, all right, Yeah, I mean it was yeah, for

1615
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 3: for a time as a trend like that was kind

1616
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 3: of like the asking price for great coaches.

1617
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 4: I want I want you know? That was that was it?

1618
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 3: You want me, I want to be able to who

1619
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 3: said I want to be able to buy the groceries too,

1620
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 3: And that was it.

1621
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna bring my own people in.

1622
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 3: I'll be the final decision maker, a lot of people

1623
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 3: under me doing all the leg work and all that

1624
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 3: Stuffcause I got a coach nowadays, you can't do that.

1625
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 3: It's just too many things going on with with analytics,

1626
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 3: with health and wellness. Uh uh, you know, with with

1627
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 3: the media things like that. It's you see a lot

1628
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 3: of teams that have separated that. There's not I don't

1629
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,799
Speaker 3: think there's anybody in the NBA that does that anymore.

1630
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 4: Uh. I think Pop a little bit does it.

1631
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 3: But there's no there's really no head coach, final decision

1632
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 3: maker in an NBA no more, because it's it's a

1633
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 3: lot of stuff going on.

1634
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 2: And Clint Snyder has some type of deal where he

1635
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 2: has he's not the GM, but he has some type of.

1636
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 4: But but Landr is a gym Landing Field Lander makes

1637
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 4: a decision, you know, and and you.

1638
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 3: Know it's not like Okay, you know, I'm the president

1639
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 3: and head coach or this not that anymore because when

1640
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 3: you're a coach, I mean, it's it's kind of it's

1641
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 3: hard because you're you're you're serving to masters. When you're

1642
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 3: the coach, you got to worry about now, I gotta win.

1643
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 3: I don't worry about the five year plan. I'm not

1644
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 3: worrying about coastal production and production over costs and trade

1645
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 3: assets and you know, uh, you know, projecting for the

1646
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 3: twenty five draft and the twenty six job. I got

1647
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 3: all of these players now, so as a coach, am

1648
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 3: I going to sacrifice my future to win now to

1649
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 3: keep my head coaching job or I'm gonna be a GM.

1650
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 3: And And when we say keep all the power in

1651
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 3: the KEG so I can make sure are we don't

1652
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 3: I don't drain our future assets for organization. You can't

1653
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 3: do both. It's impossible to think both ways. So uh,

1654
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, I think that you know, that kind of

1655
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 3: got dismissal up because people started looking at it like,

1656
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 3: wait a minute, are you making the decisions because you're

1657
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 3: trying to win now? And all of a sudden, you

1658
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 3: trade all our future daft picks, all our young players,

1659
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 3: trying to get guys who can win now. It's funny,

1660
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,560
Speaker 3: I try to and you and just thought about this.

1661
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me of the transfer port in college.

1662
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not gonna get young players. I'm gonna

1663
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 3: get these transfer guys who I know can play now.

1664
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sacrifice these young high school guys or freshman

1665
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 3: or softports because I need this graduate player or this

1666
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 3: transfer guy to help me win now.

1667
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 4: It's almost.

1668
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: Kids.

1669
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 4: You know.

1670
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 3: That's that's what happened back then. Like you know what,

1671
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 3: I ain't got time to you about these young guys.

1672
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 3: You know, like I got to win now, So I

1673
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 3: got the power to make these decisions to trade assets,

1674
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 3: to eat my cap space to get these guys because

1675
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 3: I need to win now. But I have the power

1676
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 3: to make those decisions. So that's a that's a tough thing,

1677
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 3: you an you ever see that again anymore, just because

1678
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 3: of how and and the other thing is how big

1679
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 3: the game has gotten too. Now You've got international players.

1680
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 3: It's so global now. You know, you've got you know, uh,

1681
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 3: these high school independent schools, you got ote, you've got

1682
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 3: the G League now like you didn't have all that

1683
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 3: stuff before. Like there's a lot of different people that

1684
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 3: you got to keep eyes on and and tabs on

1685
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: and reports on. I mean I did that when I

1686
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 3: was at the Clippers in the front office. You know,

1687
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,799
Speaker 3: I was GM with the G League team Losso oversaw

1688
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: our evaluation and scouting stuff.

1689
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,560
Speaker 4: And that was a full time job. That was a

1690
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 4: full time I was. I was on the road twenty

1691
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 4: five days out of the buns and now had no

1692
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 4: to do a coach. I was never on the court.

1693
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 3: This is just strictly development of our g D players

1694
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 3: and making sure we scouted and evaluate our players and

1695
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 3: future players that can do that. So that's it's a lot. Yeah,

1696
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 3: you know it's tough. Coach is hard enough, right as

1697
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 3: you can tell what's going on in the climbate of

1698
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 3: guys getting fired losing their jobs.

1699
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 4: It ain't easy being a coach.

1700
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 2: Now you better off being a player coach. If anything,

1701
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: you might be able to get the player coach. Yeah,

1702
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: you could be able to get to Bill Russell joined

1703
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: off better than the front office joint.

1704
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: Well, this was a I mean, like you said, you

1705
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: are the only player that can speak to the end

1706
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: of that Larry Bird era into the nineties and the

1707
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: Rick Patinos. So it was a privilege talking to you.

1708
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: We really appreciate the time. We do have one last

1709
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: final or I have one last final kind of question.

1710
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: You get traded in that chelsey, Bill upstraight and you

1711
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 1: go to Toronto. We talked about a couple of weeks

1712
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: ago and it's been kind of circulating the news, the

1713
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: fact that Vince Carter doesn't have his jersey retired in Toronto.

1714
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: He's spoken about how influential guys like you and Charles

1715
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: Oakley were to him when he ived in Toronto. Jelani

1716
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: also played there, you know three, so he saw that.

1717
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: Can you believe that Vince Carter doesn't have his jersey retired?

1718
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: And is that, you know, is that just an injustice

1719
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: to the game, that Air Canada doesn't have fifteen hanging

1720
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: in the rafters of the Air Canada.

1721
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 4: I think the time thing.

1722
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I think once he retired, because remember Vince

1723
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 3: played for a long time, he basically retired what two

1724
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 3: years ago? Usually, I mean, I mean, let's let's let's

1725
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 3: let's let's take a step back.

1726
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 4: I mean, they're just retired. Shek's jersey in Orlando. You know,

1727
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 4: he's the first jersey being retired in Magic history. And

1728
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 4: I played for the Magic.

1729
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 3: This guy's like Dwight Howard and and Trude and then

1730
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 3: Penn Jason Grady and maybe Penny that deserve probably deserves

1731
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 3: retired too. But with Vince it's different because he galvanized

1732
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 3: a country, not a city, not a country.

1733
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 4: And I was there.

1734
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 3: I remember getting traded there and Trason Greater as a

1735
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 3: rook and we're playing at Old the SkyDome. We we

1736
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 3: didn't play and it was crazy. Fans didn't know how

1737
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 3: to cheer. We would be shooting free throws and every

1738
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 3: were banging the thundersticks while we're shooting free throws and

1739
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 3: said no, no, no, no, you do that when they're shooting,

1740
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 3: not of us. So it's an education process of basketball

1741
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 3: in Canada. When we got there, uh Me, Charles Oakley, Dale,

1742
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 3: Delle Curry, Muggsy Bogues, Tonio Davis, like, we had some

1743
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 3: veterans and all we cared about was winning. So when

1744
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 3: Vet's got there the next year, my second year there,

1745
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 3: we saw this like, man, we got these two young

1746
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 3: dudes are very special and uh like people started like

1747
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 3: in Canada, like hockey still it's still no One sport,

1748
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 3: but people started like watching these two, like these dudes

1749
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 3: are different, they're special. And you look at all the

1750
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: Canadian players after doing that air when you were young

1751
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 3: has come through because of Vince Carter, Vince Carter's influence

1752
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 3: on it.

1753
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 4: You know, you know Shay, you know, Nick Stalski, Murray Murray, Barrett.

1754
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 3: Barrett Atlantic, Like there's so many guys that say I

1755
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 3: got into basketball because of Vince Carter.

1756
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 4: They'll they'll say it.

1757
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not not because of Lebron James, or

1758
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan or or you know this guy, they would

1759
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 3: say specifically Vince Carter.

1760
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 4: So he's done a lot of things.

1761
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 3: You know, you hate the bad breakups that happens with

1762
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 3: great players league teams, and so I've never seen a

1763
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 3: bat a great player leave a team and everybody's like, oh,

1764
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 3: I'm so happy for you.

1765
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 4: Think about it.

1766
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 3: It never happens the great players. Hopefully you go back

1767
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 3: and men fenceon's. I think they've done that.

1768
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 4: But yes, he.

1769
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 3: Should be the first player have his jersey retired. Again,

1770
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 3: he's just kind of retired, so they might want to

1771
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 3: let everything kind of, you know, calm down. Where he's

1772
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 3: away from the game. He's doing a lot of telecast,

1773
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 3: this VC podcast and things like that. So he's been

1774
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:03,839
Speaker 3: doing a lot of things.

1775
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 4: Off the court.

1776
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 3: But yeah, he should be the first. It shouldn't be

1777
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,759
Speaker 3: a no brainer. It should be a no brainer. Who's

1778
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 3: the first person to get their their jersey retire in Toronto?

1779
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 3: It should be Vince Carter.

1780
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 2: I think I think you hit on it. I think

1781
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: the process has been sped up recently you know what

1782
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 2: I mean as opposed to when it was, when the

1783
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 2: jersey retirement was in the nineties and you know, the eighties,

1784
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 2: it took a minute. You know, Now we see a

1785
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 2: couple of players, you know, for for for various reasons,

1786
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: get their jersey retire, you know, a little bit faster.

1787
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 2: But I like what you said, it takes a minute.

1788
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 2: It's just you know, it paid for forty seven years.

1789
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 3: You know, I would take I would tell you something funny.

1790
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 3: I reflect back on this. The funniest thing y'all. Remember

1791
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 3: when I played, there was a lot of I says, holy,

1792
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 3: so a lot of guys were kind of retiring. I

1793
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 3: think I have the record for the most retirement ceremonies

1794
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 3: in NBA history because I went through because I remember

1795
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 3: it was a Laker Celtics so at the time, those

1796
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 3: guys are retiring.

1797
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 4: So I went through all through the bird Yeah, I

1798
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 4: went through all. I went through. No, I went through

1799
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 4: Magic ah ah. Who else gott retired the time?

1800
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 3: I think worthy, he's about three guys from Lakers got retired.

1801
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 3: We're always just the team that they played because of

1802
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,560
Speaker 3: the Celtics. And then I remember being a Celtics, I

1803
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 3: got I was there with I was there, Bird Parish, DJ,

1804
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 3: Reggie Cergic Maxwell, Uh, like like six, I've been through

1805
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 3: nine retirement jerseys then about a ten year span of

1806
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 3: my career, you know, and we're still trying to wait

1807
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 3: for Shot. He isn't retired in my and and with

1808
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 3: the Magic Vincent and in Toronto you know, uh, hopefully

1809
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 3: that comes soon. So it's it's just kind of funny.

1810
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 4: Has some just got his numb retired. He retired like

1811
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 4: three days ago, you know, well deserved, well deserved, no question,

1812
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 4: he deserves his numb retired because he's he's the O

1813
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 4: G for Miami. But again, it all depends on to me.

1814
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 4: It all depends on franchise and and and again those

1815
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 4: the bad blood and the breakup of how those guys

1816
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 4: get their their jersey retired.

1817
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 2: I missed the farewell tours, remember when like Kareem and

1818
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 2: like you retire and that whole year everybody they're visiting

1819
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 2: city gave you a gift, you know what I mean?

1820
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 2: I mess to bring back the farewell tour. They don't

1821
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 2: do that no more. I think Wade one yeah yeah, and.

1822
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: Then everything everyone makes fun of Paul Pierce for Draymond

1823
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: saying that he's not COVID, he's not going to get

1824
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: a farewell tour.

1825
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 2: For Pete deserves.

1826
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 4: Yeah he did. Guys don't know when they're retired. That's thing,

1827
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 4: you know, like.

1828
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 3: I might have one more good year of me get

1829
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 3: there to training camp time, like well maybe not so uh,

1830
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 3: you know, guys knew sometimes you know, like you know,

1831
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 3: when you're retired, sometimes you're like, you know what, it's

1832
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 3: just you know, you kind of want to just just fade,

1833
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 3: like you said, fade to the sunset and just keep

1834
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 3: it moving.

1835
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: Well, d thank you for your time. This was amazing.

1836
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: Good luck for the rest of the season. Jacksonville University

1837
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: will keep your tabs out and have it going. Man,

1838
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: thank you for your time.

1839
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Thanks, guys, appreciate it.