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Speaker 2: all right, Harry is Zach Brown? Good to see you, man,

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Speaker 2: You too, appreciate you coming over. Hey, So what is what?

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Speaker 2: What is the deal? What do you live here? Now?

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Speaker 2: I have a place here, not in my house? Do

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Speaker 2: It's over in that move too, right, because you sold

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Speaker 1: to Teddy. But I wasn't afraid to fail. And that's

437
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Speaker 1: the that's the thing I just you have to. I

438
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Speaker 1: think perseverance is the most extraordinary thing that we can

439
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Speaker 1: possibly have, because if you if you're willing to put

440
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Speaker 1: in the work and grind and hustle and an artist,

441
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,800
Speaker 1: talent comes pretty cheap.

442
00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,400
Speaker 3: You can find talent to people all day long.

443
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 1: But the people that have the grit to persevere and

444
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,159
Speaker 1: fucking get out and grind and like get on the

445
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,440
Speaker 1: horse and hear a thousand people tell them that you

446
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 1: can't do this and don't give a shit and just

447
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,119
Speaker 1: do it anyway, and just fucking keep going, keep going,

448
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 1: keep going, because you don't start great. You start where

449
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,640
Speaker 1: you are and you work on it, and the more

450
00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,439
Speaker 1: hours you do it, the more great you become. And

451
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,159
Speaker 1: the more hours Like so, I think that that resilience

452
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,280
Speaker 1: for me and getting to I didn't know where I

453
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 1: was going.

454
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,879
Speaker 3: I just knew I wasn't gonna stop.

455
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,720
Speaker 2: But when you're creating, it could be then or now

456
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,720
Speaker 2: versus when you want it to be exactly right, you're

457
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 2: not going to put where does that fall? At some

458
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 2: point you've got to have a point where I'm just

459
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 2: I just got to put it down on stop spending

460
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 2: all this time worrying if it's perfect, or the other

461
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 2: way where it's like, man, I am not putting anything

462
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 2: out until it's exactly right. Yeah.

463
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Speaker 1: I've said on lyrics to songs like Goodbye in Your Eyes.

464
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Speaker 1: As an example, we have a song. It took ten

465
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,720
Speaker 1: to find the bridge for that song because I knew

466
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,200
Speaker 1: it was great, but I wouldn't compromise and just put

467
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Speaker 1: some lines in that rhyme.

468
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 2: So if you.

469
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,199
Speaker 1: If you like the people that you're writing with and

470
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 1: you're creating with, which is a big thing for me

471
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: now I've just started writing with this guy in the

472
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 1: last year that I just love. In every two or

473
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 1: three hours, another great song pops out. And so when

474
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 1: you can find the energy and synergy around that, when

475
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:26,880
Speaker 1: you don't.

476
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: I just thought ten years though have you had it,

477
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 2: you'd have the bridge.

478
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: I had it, but I knew that it just I

479
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,679
Speaker 1: didn't have it yet. It just wasn't there. But I

480
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,439
Speaker 1: hear songs on the radio all the time that I'm like,

481
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 1: they're just making that shit rhyme, Like if you care

482
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 1: about every line of the song, if a song is

483
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,399
Speaker 1: your baby, it's like the to me, songwriting is like

484
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 1: the last like real American form of poetry and trying

485
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: to you know, and some songs are are this poetic,

486
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 1: like amazing thing that's like, you know, based on family

487
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 1: or relationships or whatever. Some of them you write to

488
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: just be absurd and to have fun. So it depends

489
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Speaker 1: on what you're going for. But if you're looking, if

490
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 1: you're looking for that poetry and seeking it out and

491
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 1: you're trying to find the best line, I mean the

492
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 1: genius in songs for me, like simple songs like Willie

493
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 1: Nelson was a genius songwriter because he could say something

494
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 1: so simple and you could any layman person could listen

495
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: to it and go, that's great. But if you listen

496
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 1: to how perfectly simple that it was, there's genius in

497
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 1: how you do that, like boiling it down to something

498
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: so simple. So for me, the chase of a song

499
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: is like I never love a song more than right

500
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 1: when we finish writing it, because you kind of forget

501
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: what you did. You listen back to it and you're like, oh, yeah.

502
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 2: There it is.

503
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: But I have a really good radar with If that

504
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: line's not good enough, the song's not done.

505
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 4: Yet, hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back

506
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

507
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 2: I would have never finished a song then because if

508
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 2: it waited ten years, there's nothing that could have been

509
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: good enough to finish the song. So how did I

510
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 2: want to go back to that specifically?

511
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I heard it. It was actually a

512
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 1: part of another song that a friend of mine had written,

513
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's and I changed that a

514
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: little bit, but I was like, that's the bridge, that's

515
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: the one, And then they got created, you know, credit

516
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: for writing on the song as well, but you know,

517
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: you don't know what it is, but you know it's

518
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: not right yet.

519
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 3: So that's the thing. You don't compromise.

520
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: The songs are your babies, and however long it takes

521
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: to do that. Sometimes you'll split a song out in

522
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: an hour, and sometimes it takes ten years to finish one.

523
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: But if you're proud of every single line and every

524
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: single one and hopefully the people that listen that really

525
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: care about every line, like you're looking for that duality.

526
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 1: Like you're saying a lot of things in a very

527
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: few simple words, like on you know.

528
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 2: A layer of it.

529
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: But I think I was blessed also, you know, my

530
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: dad was a good businessman, and I think having a

531
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: little bit of the left side brain about it, and

532
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: also listening to everybody's horror stories of how they get

533
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: taken advantage of in music business and things like that,

534
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: Like I was very stubborn with negotiating those things because

535
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: you have to negotiate it on what you're going to

536
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: be and not what you are. Because most I've never

537
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: signed a publishing deal because I had tons of offers

538
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: over the years. Somebody wants to come, you know, give

539
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: you half a million dollars, they'll loan it to you,

540
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: and then they own half of everything you write after

541
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: that point in time. And it's like, if I'm betting

542
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 1: on myself, then I'm betting on one day I'm going

543
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: to sell out stadiums and I'm going to have number

544
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: one songs and I'm going to be doing this, so

545
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: is taking you know, one hundred grand advance for doing

546
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: this right now a smart thing to do. So I

547
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: think being longsighted and how you negotiate with things, and

548
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: it made it where some it was hard for some

549
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: people to work with me because I was very stubborn,

550
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: but I live outside of the rules of what everybody

551
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: else did because I didn't come from it.

552
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 2: I didn't know what they were.

553
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 3: So I was really blessed in that way.

554
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't know how it was supposed

555
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: to work, so I just did what worked for me.

556
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: And then I'm one of the only artists that I

557
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: know that owns all of my masters. I own all

558
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: the masters to all my recordings, and that doesn't normally happen, right,

559
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: even the Beatles, the Beatles Michael Jackson own the Beatles Publishing,

560
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: and then the Beatles own Michael Jackson Publishing, but they

561
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: never own their own It was always tied up. It

562
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: was always in all these details of contracts that people

563
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: don't understand and don't know. And I would say a

564
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: big contributing factor to this thing too, is like anybody's

565
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: starting out to the music is the first thing that you

566
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: need to have is a great lawyer. I've had read

567
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: Hunter since day one, since I had one, and he's

568
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: been incredible because I'm asking him, Okay, what does this mean?

569
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: You know, he'd have to dumb things down for me

570
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: to help understand. Okay, how does that work in eight

571
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: years from now? What does that mean? How does it go?

572
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 3: And when I sign a new contract, what does that mean?

573
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: And as far as you don't have a law firm

574
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: with everything else you got see law firm is Hebb

575
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: law firm, leather in law.

576
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: But finding one that you can really trust and that

577
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: has the influence and has the stuff. If he didn't

578
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: know the answer, he can find someone that does know

579
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: the answer. And that's how you build your team. You

580
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: find that person first and then you kind of help,

581
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, do that. But man, you gotta be tough. Man,

582
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: you gotta be tough, and you can't let people tell

583
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: you what you are, because if you become what other

584
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: people think that you should be, you don't know who

585
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: the fuck you are.

586
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: I would agree with that. I also like songs that

587
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 2: Ryan Barron Carr. Do you have any of those?

588
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't think, so I try to stay away from

589
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: Love the Bar and car some of those. Yeah, okay,

590
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: we can do that to you. I write one with.

591
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: You on whatever you like. No, here's the thing about

592
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: my songwriting that could probably heard some of my hits,

593
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: like Hobby Lobby Bobby, It's sweeps the Nation. But I

594
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 2: have this idea for a song and it's about driving

595
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: in the country and it's the hardest sing along ever.

596
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: It's my idea, and so I do stand up, I

597
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 2: do music whatever fair mediumly. And the idea is I'm

598
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: driving in the country and I look over on the rock,

599
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: on the rocks that have been cut out for the road,

600
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: and there's like a lot of drawings up there, and

601
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is cool. And then everybody sings

602
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: along and it's called plural rural murals, and it's the

603
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: hardest thing along ever because it's hard to say plural

604
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: rural murals, especially a few times in a row. Oh

605
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: that's true. So that's where I am right now. I

606
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: just really haven't foud I've been waiting ten years to

607
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 2: get some way to write it with. Well, I haven't

608
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: even started writing it just to get someone to write

609
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: it with. I'm not even to needing a bridge. Yet

610
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: that's how perfectionist I am. With the song plural rural murals.

611
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, tell me that is not I desire.

612
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: I actually see a lot in those three words together.

613
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: I can see a lot of possibility. So that's a

614
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: great start.

615
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: Thank you. And that's where I am. I probably wait

616
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 2: another ten before I get to the park for sure.

617
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: I just got to find that.

618
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're ninety, bro, you're gonna have it.

619
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: I need a good lawyer and a good person to

620
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: ride it with. I'm ready to go. Yeah. The thing

621
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: about a lawyer, though, is a lot of people that

622
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: are starting in this business and I would even put

623
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: myself into this business as being the the artistic side

624
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: where you make money. Is we didn't grow up around lawyers.

625
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: We don't know. Yeah, I didn't know. I know now

626
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: the value of it, but if I would, I mean,

627
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: I had a couple of backstreet boy deals which meant

628
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: bad ones at first with agent with but I didn't

629
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: know because I was I never even knew a lawyer.

630
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: And so the importance of saying you need a lawyer

631
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: and having people not go he's not talking to me

632
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: because I don't know much about lawyers. Like it's almost like,

633
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: if you're going to do music and you're gonna have

634
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 2: an art that you monetize, you need somebody making sure

635
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: somebody's not ripping it off, even at the lowest level. Sure,

636
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: And when you say that, I'm like, man, I wish

637
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: I would have listened to somebody tell me that, because

638
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: people probably did. But I was like, lawyer, that's fancy.

639
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do it? What am I gonna

640
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: do with a lawyer? But it would have saved me

641
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: a lot of stress.

642
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: Well, I think it comes along with recognizing your own strengths, right, Like,

643
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like I know my lane and

644
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: I know what I'm good at.

645
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 3: So everything. So if if I'm a nine, or if

646
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: I'm a nine and.

647
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: Some things say at a ten scale, Right, if I'm

648
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 1: a nine, it's some things and I'm two's and other

649
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: ones if I'm doing it the right way. My team

650
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: are all nines and tens at their area of what

651
00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: they do.

652
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: Over the that I'm terrible at doing.

653
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: To even know to get a lawyer though, yeah, well

654
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: that's because I heard about everything, and you know, I

655
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: don't have a contract with my lawyer. We made an

656
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: agreement early on, like you're gonna make this percentage of

657
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: everything that I make or whatever. And he did that

658
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: when I was making nothing, and he stood by me

659
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: and helped me to do that, help me build my team,

660
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: help me to put things together.

661
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: Still, you know, still my guy to this day.

662
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: And that's the thing with me, Like if somebody's made

663
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: of the right character in fabric or whatever, I will

664
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: work with that person forever. There's there's lots of things

665
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: that change in and out of time, things that fit.

666
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: It may not mean that they're bad people or make

667
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: bad decisions, but it just doesn't work. But I've been

668
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: really blessed to build my team of people where I've

669
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: got people around me that are all tens where I'm

670
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: a two, and then everything's covered, you know, and then

671
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: seeking counsel from people, having people like Jimmy Buffett, who

672
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, rest in peace, people like him that I

673
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: can call and go, hey, man, what.

674
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: Was this like for you?

675
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: What how do you think about this?

676
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: There's only a handful of people that I could call

677
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: and get quick answers from that independent that would.

678
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: Make sense to you. For you, because only a few

679
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: people ever done what you're doing at the level you're doing,

680
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: and have somewhat of an understanding of what you're going through.

681
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: How he built his brand, how he does his things,

682
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: what he doesn't do, what he does, you know, like,

683
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: what's the advice you know? I mean even like even Springsteen.

684
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: I remember the time I talked to him. I was like,

685
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: tell me something that's the most important thing that you

686
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: can tell me for my career, like what he is,

687
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: there's something that you can think of. And his reply was,

688
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: you need to sweat every day for an hour. I

689
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: don't care what you do. Just go find a place, walk, run,

690
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: work out, whatever it is. Sweat for an hour a day.

691
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: And after he told me that, I was like, all right,

692
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: he's a boss. I'm gonna do that. It give me

693
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: little things like that that people say they can change

694
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: your trajectory. They could change like what you're doing, and

695
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, having but being able to access people like

696
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: that and being able to do it and somehow beyond

697
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: their radar was amazing because I started off and I

698
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: still am. I'm a giant music fan. I'm a music

699
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: lover like fanatic. I try to seek things out that

700
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: move me, seek things out like the way people are

701
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: writing and the way they sing it and the way

702
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: they play it and put it with the melodies and

703
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: the harmonies or whatever it is that makes it give

704
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: you that visceral feeling where you can listen to something

705
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: and you really feel what they're feeling. So I still

706
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: seek that out to this day. So I started out

707
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: as a music lover. So it's it's weird and amazing

708
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: along my journey to get to share stages with my heroes.

709
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild. I'm finally I finally have people that

710
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: I think are cool, that think I'm kind of cool exactly.

711
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: And it's not even that they have to be super famous.

712
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: It's just somebody that I thought was cool. It's like, oh,

713
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: I kind of You're like, that's the that's the greatest thing.

714
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: But I never lose sight of the kid that was

715
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: just in love with music, because that's still who I am.

716
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: So it's always when I'm sharing, like we just did

717
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: that the Jimmy Buffett tribute in LA and the Hollywood

718
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: Bowl Show. Yeah, and with you know, Paul McCartney and

719
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: the Eagles and Jackson Brown and you know, it goes

720
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: on and on, but you.

721
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: Still have to go be cool, be cool to yourself,

722
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: like be cool, be cool, be cool. But Paul McCarney

723
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: be cool.

724
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, always, I mean always, and I'm never So my

725
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: life is so polarizing, Like when I'm at home, I

726
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: got five kids, So when I'm at home, I'm the

727
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: house bitch, Like I'm there to serve them.

728
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: I'm there to drive.

729
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: Them, take them school, pick them up for school, take them.

730
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: Around and do whatever.

731
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: And I love that.

732
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: I want to be there to see all that as

733
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: much as I possibly can, and I have them half

734
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: the time. So that's half of my life is in

735
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: Georgia doing that, and I absolutely love that. And I

736
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: never get used to when I go back out on

737
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: the road and I stand at a stadium full of

738
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: people and singing and going, holy shit, this is what

739
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I this.

740
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: Is what I do.

741
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: That part, that part of grandeur of whatever that is

742
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: whatever doesn't.

743
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 3: Live with me constantly.

744
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm not like you know, it's it's always humbling to

745
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: me every time that we get to do it.

746
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: And it keeps me humble because I know just who

747
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: I am.

748
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm just a dude trying to create something, make something,

749
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: and trying to make my family work and be connected

750
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: to them, but also be connected to my music and

751
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: my creativity, and you know, COVID happens everything, and it

752
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: simplified my life in the greatest way.

753
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: Meaning in a way that you didn't think you would enjoy,

754
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: but it ended up being a great learning experience. You

755
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 2: learn from it, and you wouldn't have picked it.

756
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have picked it because I didn't know what

757
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: it meant.

758
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: If someone would have said, this is what you're gonna do,

759
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: this is what's going to happen, and in the end,

760
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: it's gonna be good for you.

761
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: I had two hundred and fifty employees when COVID man.

762
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: That's that's a lot of people.

763
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: It's a lot of families that depend on me to

764
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: be solid and me to do things and come through

765
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: and all of that. And so looking in the face

766
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: of that and the uncertainty of it, I had to

767
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: close things down.

768
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: I had to sell my huge warehouse and some my.

769
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: Equipment, sell some of my businesses to friends, which I

770
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: still have a piece of, which is great because I

771
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: don't have to babysit the people making it. Now I

772
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: can create, you know, contribute ideas and design and things

773
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: like that, and help with marketing. But I don't have

774
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: to do it, but it put me in a space.

775
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: And this is something that because of my curiosity and

776
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: my energy level, I have a lot of energy. I

777
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: learned just because you can do a lot of things

778
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you should.

779
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: Like, if you can.

780
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Figure out how to have an acceptable amount of things

781
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: that you're good at doing and focus on those, you're

782
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: going to be better. You're going to be able to

783
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: serve all those things way better than being spread so

784
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: thin across so many different avenues.

785
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: I think you have to learn. I had to learn

786
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: that lesson the hard way. I had to learn that

787
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: lesson by burning out a bit. Oh yeah, did you

788
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: do that or did you just realize, oh, I'm smart.

789
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm not going to burn myself out. No.

790
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: I would definitely burn myself out because then it's the

791
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: little things that happen in life when you're having to like,

792
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: oh shit, I've got to deal with all this shit now,

793
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: and like my mental space goes down, and also thinking that.

794
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: So here's another principle for people that are trying to

795
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: have a business, asn't matter what you do or what

796
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: it is or whatever. Your business is only as good

797
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: as your systems and if your system doesn't allow. If

798
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: your system has checks and balances in every possible area

799
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: and doesn't allow people to take advantage, you will succeed.

800
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: If there's any gap in your business where people can

801
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: take advantage, they always will. And learning that the hard

802
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: way was hard for me because I would get it

803
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: taken of, getting taken advantage of the efficiencies of what's

804
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: happening when I wasn't there to oversee what happens day

805
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: to day.

806
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 2: It was just a bleed. It was a bleed.

807
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: But on paper, you hire a placement agency, a headhunter,

808
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: help me find a CEO. That's the baddest motherfucker in

809
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: the world, Like, help me find somebody, and you pay

810
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: the money to bring this person in and you put

811
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: them in that position, and you assume because of their resume,

812
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: because of these things or whatever, they're going to oversee things,

813
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: they're going to run toward problems. They're going to help

814
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: you do this thing right. But if I'm not there

815
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: to engage with that company in that business. But that's

816
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: why my touring runs like a top because I have

817
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: incredible people that do it. I'm there with them when

818
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: we're doing it. They put out all the fires. So

819
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't have to be consumed with that. But in

820
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: these other businesses that I had and I tried to

821
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: start and go, it doesn't matter how well you hire

822
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: for that, if the amount of attention that you spend there.

823
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: It's like having a restaurant. If you want a successful restaurant,

824
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: you need to live there, you know.

825
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: But dear, I feel like the talk macro businesses. But

826
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: has that happened to you personally that taught you this?

827
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: Because the real lessons I've learned of things that have

828
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: been happened to having me personally.

829
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh absolutely.

830
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: One of my greatest friends, Paul, I asked him. He's

831
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: got a lot of people and a lot of stuff

832
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: on his plate, you know, and when you have something

833
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: that happens on a personal level where it's a betrayal

834
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: and you know you weren't really looking over their shoulders

835
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: as much as you should have.

836
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying.

837
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: The system in place when you have friends that work

838
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: with you and family that works with you and things

839
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: like that, When those things, when those people take advantage,

840
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: it hits you on a whole other level. And I

841
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: remember the first time that that happened to me, where

842
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this person is you know, suing

843
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: me sure five years after the fact for something just

844
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: because I was successful after they were gone, they made

845
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: poor decisions, got fired or whatever, and just because my

846
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: time is so valuable now, my opportunity cost and fighting

847
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: this is going to be more expensive than giving them

848
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: some money for what they feel entitled to. I remember

849
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: that what that feels felt like that first time that

850
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: that like, and that's a lot to deal with. But

851
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: I think over time, like I mean, knock on wood, like,

852
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm pretty resilient. Yeah, there's probably someone this couch,

853
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: but I think your resiliency as time goes on, like,

854
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: you're not gonna let people steer your joy.

855
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: You know you're gonna that.

856
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: My buddy Paul says said, you know you breathe in,

857
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: breathe out, move on.

858
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: And it's and and and that's what I told him.

859
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: What do you do when someone that you really love

860
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: betrays you and that you're you're left in this place

861
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: within whatever?

862
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 3: And he said, it's just the cost of doing business.

863
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: Can you forgive? Not in that situation, but generally are

864
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: you good at forgiving?

865
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: I would say, as far as being a human and

866
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: being a friend, Yes, I would say yes. As far

867
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: as your business and things like that, when someone shows

868
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: you what they are and who they are, and you know,

869
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: I keep my charity with my charity and then so

870
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: in my business there's no place for that. But as

871
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: far as friends and things like that, yeah, I think

872
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: I've been forgiving. But I've also learned how to make

873
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: my boundaries a lot more rigid. You know, I spent

874
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: three years doing a full like vision spirit quest, all

875
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: myself working on myself being able to draw boundaries. And

876
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: once somebody shows you that they're not of the fabric

877
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: to be in your circle, and you know you've given

878
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: them a chance or two or whatever, then you move.

879
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: Those people out of your circle.

880
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: But where the forgiveness comes in is like you still

881
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: wish them the best, Like somebody scues me over, It's fine,

882
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be okay. I just don't want them around anymore.

883
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: I want them to be well, but I don't want

884
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: them to be in my circle anymore.

885
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: The other way though, meaning i feel like I've gotten

886
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: a bit better. I got a lot of therapy, but

887
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: I feel like I've gotten better at forgiving. Still like

888
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: good at it, I think just because I'm so, I

889
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: get in my protective shell and just don't talk to anybody.

890
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: I don't have rage, but my rage is like enter right,

891
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: and I just shut down. But I've also needed to

892
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: be forgiven right. And I used to not even care.

893
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: I would just be like, I screwed up. I'll just

894
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: never go back to that person again. Yeah, Like I

895
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: feel like I've grown in that. But if I'm getting

896
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 2: better at forgiving, but I'm also getting better at actually

897
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: asking and going, hey, I screwed up, Like are you are?

898
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: How would you say you rate on both of those sides.

899
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think I'm a master of any of

900
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: those things, you know. I think that's something that you

901
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: that you work on as you as you go, you know.

902
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: I think being able to just say I was wrong?

903
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: Can you do that?

904
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: I can do that.

905
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: I suck at that.

906
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: I can do it getting to the point where you

907
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: really fully see it because there there are there's there's

908
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: a lot of gray around perception, right, So it's and

909
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: it's like the perception of it, and it's like when

910
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: you when you hear somebody else out on their side

911
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: of the story and you see how it made them

912
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: feel I can empathize with that and understand, and I'm like,

913
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: I can say I'm sorry for my part what I

914
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 1: contributed to that feeling or whatever. But as my life

915
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: coach that I had would say, you know, everything is

916
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: a mirror, right, So she's like, Okay, what do you

917
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: seek the most in a partner like you? What's the

918
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: thing you seek the most? And I would say consistency

919
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: and she'd say, okay, well, then you need to be

920
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: more consistent with yourself. And that was like, so the

921
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: things we seek in other people is actually what we

922
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: need for ourselves and the things that we might be

923
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: our kind of achilles here that we don't see as much.

924
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: That was really interesting for me. But I'm a student

925
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: to everything. I'm a student to myself, to the relationships,

926
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: to whatever it is. But I've gotten better about going, Okay,

927
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: this person showed me who they are and I want

928
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: them to be great, but I don't want them to

929
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: be around me anymore. And the more that I've done that,

930
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: the more that I've kept my circle with people that

931
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: are expanders for me. If they're not on the same frequency,

932
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: same thing, just just because of precedent, it's just because

933
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: you used to hang out with this person.

934
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: It used to be great, it used to be whatever.

935
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: Like you know, you, the people you surround yourself with

936
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: are a direct reflection of your level of success and

937
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: where you're going and what you're doing.

938
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: I agree. The environment that you put yourself in or

939
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: you stay in definitely manifest itself into who you are,

940
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: because if you stay there long enough, that's going to

941
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: be who you are, or it's going to change because

942
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: of you. Right, the Bobby cast will be right back.

943
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, this is the Bobby Cast.

944
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: You play pickle ball.

945
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 3: I have a pickleball court at my house.

946
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm building one right there behind the place right now.

947
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: You canna have a bridge for your dog already have

948
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: a bridge for my dog that goes over the pickle

949
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: ball court so he can watch.

950
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, no, no, I'm not crazy. I mean

951
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: we did build out of plywood a Vegas skybridge for

952
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: our fat bulldog into the side yard because he would drown. Yeah.

953
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't swim, they don't.

954
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: Then they they just sing. He's not a big farter

955
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: really yeah? No, basic? Yeah, big snore. You like bulldogs? Yeah?

956
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: You have everyone?

957
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 3: No, you have ever had one? Fad French bulldogs. Oh man,

958
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: same thing.

959
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: People like steal those in the street. Yeah, like just

960
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: see you. They wouldn't see you and steal your dog.

961
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: Though, there's things you learn about, like a tail pocket.

962
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.

963
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 3: So underneath their tail they have this prison.

964
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 2: Hey, this is my tail pocket, Bobby.

965
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: Like, if you're holding someone's immediately immediately be like all right,

966
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: first day in prison, I'll hold your pocket And they're like, no,

967
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that.

968
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: No I will, I'll do I know my right.

969
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's a good self defense mechanism. What's

970
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: what's a tail pocket? So frenchies have like underneath their tail,

971
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: they have this little like cavern where their little gnarly tail.

972
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: First of all, bulldogs haven't been able to procreate. They

973
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: would be extinct already. They're like the Dodo bird of dogs, right.

974
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: So so it's a process to doing all that you know,

975
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: like you know, and then you find out things about

976
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: them at you have them, like oh, the tail pocket

977
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: is infected. It's like this weird moist place that's on

978
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: the back side of the dog, and it's like, you know,

979
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: that's an ish, that's a thing. So you learn weird

980
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: things when you have dogs. It should be dead, but

981
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: they're not, should be extinct.

982
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: So you spend a whole lot of money on yours

983
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: because it was always sick. And uh, it's because a

984
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: hundred years of genetic.

985
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's that's our story with his dog. Yeah, yeah,

986
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: it's it's wild. I mean, there are cool they're like

987
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: little gargoyles.

988
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: He's the greatest. Yeah, and he's actually not that much

989
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 2: of an idiot. He likes to sleep a lot now,

990
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: but he's awesome. But yeah, he's because they just genetically

991
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: aren't supposed to exist. Yeah, and there's been so much inbreeding.

992
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

993
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: People would say the same thing about people from Arkansas.

994
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: But I'm here. Hey, look at me.

995
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: You're doing great.

996
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: I gotta I got a bridge for my dog to

997
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: walk over. You're pretty good.

998
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: But it should be in the Arkansas Hall of Fame

999
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: for that dog bridge.

1000
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: Bro.

1001
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody in Arkansas has a dog bridge.

1002
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: I think I got into that when I just drove

1003
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: across the border. Yeah, it was like I'm gonna I'm

1004
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: gonna be somebody, and they were like, you're in the

1005
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: Hall of fame. What's it. What are you a good

1006
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: pickleball player?

1007
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm working on it.

1008
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: I me and the kids are out there and it's

1009
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: just that time of year now too, where it's fun

1010
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: where we're out there doing it. And what's weird about

1011
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: it is you get a little bit better every time

1012
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: you play. Just learn how to hit it and keep

1013
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: it in the bounds. But I love anything that is

1014
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: active and you're exercising without thinking about exercising.

1015
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: That's my whole thing too, Like I will work out

1016
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: three or four times when my trainer. It sucks. I

1017
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: hate exercise. I hate for the sake of exercise. I'll

1018
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: do it, and I do do it, but I hate it.

1019
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: But I love being act I like competing yeah, and

1020
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: then you're exercising yeah, and you're like, man, that was fun,

1021
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: and I just like totally, I don't have to go

1022
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: to bench press right now. I will. I'm pretty good.

1023
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: I did like two sixty. Look at me, not that

1024
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: big a dude. Awesome to sixty. I'm old too, That's

1025
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 2: why I shouldn't be doing max reps. I've done this

1026
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: in high school. But I was like, let's see what

1027
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: I can do now.

1028
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: I hired a trainer about four months ago, and his

1029
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: approach to everything is completely different than anything I've ever

1030
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: seen or done.

1031
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: And eat during the lesson or whatev.

1032
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: Seventy five percent of the workout is rolling on folam rollers, pasture, ball,

1033
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: lacrosse balls, peanuts super important.

1034
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's how you keep the old man out.

1035
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: I never got flexible and ever in my whole life

1036
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: until like the last year. Spent so much time stretching,

1037
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: and it has helped my performance. Like I don't know

1038
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: what I'm doing, it has helped. I did tear my

1039
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: My labor's good, but my rotator cuff tour twice right now.

1040
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: It sucks. But I'm here doing this interview. I show

1041
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: up so we'll be.

1042
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: Talked about labs on.

1043
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: Las laboram two different things. See, I got a book

1044
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: for you to read. Make sure it's called a medical journal.

1045
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you so?

1046
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: What's what's fun for you right now? What's fun? Like?

1047
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: I'm going to play pickleball my buddy when this is over.

1048
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: I've been working since like four this morning. Awesome, just

1049
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: a normal day, right. But what I do if I

1050
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: get a second is I'm going to go play pickleball

1051
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: when this is over. And that's how I don't think

1052
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: about things for a minute until my mind starts running again.

1053
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: What is that for you?

1054
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: Two things right now? So Thursday tomorrow, I'm gonna go

1055
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: bow fishing. So I have a bowt fishing boat. You

1056
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: got to go to the coast though, right, No, on

1057
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: the river here?

1058
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: Oh got it? Yeah, you have a boat fishing boat

1059
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: on the river. Yeah, that'll be like having a yacht

1060
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: on the lake.

1061
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: It's just a dis aluminum boat, that's not It just

1062
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: had lights all the way around it. So you go

1063
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: up front and you have a bow and arrow with

1064
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: a with a reel on the so.

1065
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: It's a it's a like on the bottle bttom or

1066
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: whatever kind of boat. But then you just you kind

1067
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: of gear it to be up. Yeah.

1068
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: You run around at night and it shines the lights

1069
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: and you can see where the fish are laid up

1070
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: along the banks, and.

1071
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: You you miss a lot, but when you shoot and

1072
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: you hit them, it's fun.

1073
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: The bow attached you pull it back or is it gone? Yeah?

1074
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has the arrows attached to a bottle of string,

1075
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: and then you have a reel that reels that back

1076
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: end so you shoot a big fish and then squeeze

1077
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: a little handle and you reel the fish in pull

1078
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: in that boat. There a fight you Oh, yeah, they don't. Yeah,

1079
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: they don't want to come in, so they don't. You

1080
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: don't kill them immediately, No, not necessarily. I mean if

1081
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: you can, if you hit them in the head on

1082
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: the right spot. So another my greatest source of that

1083
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: recharge for me is spearfishing.

1084
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: That's got to be on the coast, right Usually usually.

1085
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: It's in the ocean. Yeah, but like Nationals last year

1086
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: was held in a big lake.

1087
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: So Nationals, Yeah, there's competition, there's world teams. No, I

1088
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: didn't compete, but it's my absolute favorite thing. So free

1089
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: diving and diving, diving down and hunting fish.

1090
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: You me, you free dive, yes, then you go and

1091
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: you hunt fish. Yes. Do you have to train and

1092
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: just holding your breath, yes, you do.

1093
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: And you have to learn how to relax.

1094
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: You have to learn how to lower your heart rate

1095
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: when you get in the water so you have more

1096
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: time when you're holding your breath and you dive down

1097
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: and swim down, you know. But I have friends that

1098
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: I go with that are like my buddy justin Lee's

1099
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: like one of the best in the world. He won

1100
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: nationals last year the year before, and you know he

1101
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: can go two hundred feet free diving and go down

1102
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: and shoot fish two hundred feet down with no tank,

1103
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: no nothing, just just a spear and some weights and

1104
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: fins and a mask.

1105
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: But you only do that wrong once it's over. It's

1106
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: not like you can do it wrong and get I

1107
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: mean you do that wrong once. Yeah, but you go

1108
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: you usually have somebody in the water with you.

1109
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: You want to have someone that that's you know, spotter

1110
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: good enough to be there to kind of keep an

1111
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: eye on in case you have a blackout or whatever.

1112
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: But like this is Fiji, this this last year.

1113
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: What that fish looks as taller like and I've been

1114
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: that's saltwater.

1115
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: Right, saltwater? Yeah, God dang, it's a dog tooth tuna.

1116
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: I feel like you could crawl in the mouth of

1117
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: that thing.

1118
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's I mean there it is out

1119
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: of the water.

1120
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: Oh you could. It's as big as you are. So

1121
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: how did you get into freaking spearfishing?

1122
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: I went to the Bahamas and this old Bohemian guy

1123
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: that was there, it's like a legend guy took me

1124
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: spearfishing one time. It's like fourteen years ago, and I

1125
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: just fell in love with it.

1126
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: I feel like.

1127
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: You're challenging your breath, you're challenging the ocean, you're challenging

1128
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: the fish, you're challenging the weather. It's like it's this

1129
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: whole thing. But for me, it's one of the activities.

1130
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: When I'm doing that. When I'm diving down, there's no chatter.

1131
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: Chatter doesn't exist, so you're you're only in that moment

1132
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: and it's so primal and you're so just connected to

1133
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: the ocean and nothing else, and you feel small and

1134
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: the greatest possible way.

1135
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: Do you have trouble sleeping? Generally, no, unaided You can

1136
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: just go to sleep.

1137
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: I take I take magnesium three and eight and magnesium stuff.

1138
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: You know, Like, I don't know, you can go to sleep. Yeah, yeah,

1139
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: I would think a guy like I. I don't really

1140
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I have anxiety in any way

1141
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: until I fall asleep, and then I wake up, and

1142
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: I feel like that's when it kind of sits and

1143
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: wakes it because I don't feel anxious, like I'm rocking. Yeah, yeah,

1144
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: I can get a lot done.

1145
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah, I have an overactive brain, for sure.

1146
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: But and so my thing for me. You may tell

1147
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: you a secret that a lot of people don't know.

1148
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: Well, if it's gonna be a secret, i'll turn a

1149
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: mic off.

1150
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's okay, we'll leave it on, all right,

1151
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: and whatever judgment might be out there. I use a

1152
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: pea bottle through the night to just pee in the bottle,

1153
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: pee in the bottle, because I got used to doing

1154
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: that when I'm touring, because you're riding. You know, we

1155
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: played three four shows in a row, so sleeping on

1156
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: my bus, the bus is going down the road during

1157
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: that day. For my voice, I drank two gallons of water.

1158
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: So through the night I'm gonna pee two or three times.

1159
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: So I have to get my pea bottle right by

1160
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: the bed and you peeing it. Yeah, if you get

1161
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: up on a moving bus, and I have an overactive brain, anyway,

1162
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: you get up, you stub your toe, you bash your

1163
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: head in the wall, you're awake, and then it.

1164
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: Throws you off.

1165
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: So for people that have to do that, they make

1166
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: nice big ones with lids, so it's not doesn't stink,

1167
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't spill.

1168
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 3: It's like, you know the deal.

1169
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: But you can't. You can't promise it doesn't stink, it

1170
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: may not spill.

1171
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not saying you stick, you're facing it. I'm

1172
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: just saying it to someone if someone else was around.

1173
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: It's not like you're gonna smell this thing happening. And

1174
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: I rent it out every day. But little things man one.

1175
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: Step ahead of that. I just stay dehydrated.

1176
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 3: That's that's not an option for me.

1177
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: You never got to get up and pe if you're dehydrated.

1178
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 3: That's true. And then it's brown, right, that's right.

1179
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: It's all different colors. Yeah, it's never sometimes bloody. Okay,

1180
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: it's never bloody. Okiddy, what's the other trick you're about,

1181
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: Tell me another one, Give me another one.

1182
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: So as a singer, you seen that pure gum. It's like,

1183
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, no no sweet no bad sweetener or whatever.

1184
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah and whatever. So this is a thing that I

1185
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: learned because I'll sleep on the bus and I'd wake

1186
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: up if I wake up on my back with my

1187
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: mouth open and I've been breathing and it's you know,

1188
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: it's sucking all the moisture out of the air. There's

1189
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: like three percent humidity. My throat will be dry and

1190
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: i'd lose my voice the next day. So I sleep

1191
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: with eight pieces of gum in my mouth when I

1192
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: sleep at night, and it keeps saliva keeps going, it

1193
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: keeps my throat from drying out.

1194
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I think I would choke because I have it. Well,

1195
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: it's a big enough piece.

1196
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: It's not just like a little one where it's going

1197
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: to come out and be stuck in my beard or

1198
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: something like that. So I you know, there's a little

1199
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: like they look like chick lits or whatever, but it's

1200
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 1: like healthy gum.

1201
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: No, I have the gum.

1202
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I chew the gum. So I sleep with that

1203
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: in my mouth now, and that keeps me from getting

1204
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: dried out. It keeps me from losing my voice. So basically,

1205
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: if I'm just playing guitar or building knives or whatever

1206
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm doing, I can go.

1207
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 3: I can go on no sleep. I can do that

1208
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: for a week or two at a time.

1209
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: If what I'm just saying, like, if you get four

1210
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: hours of sleep at night, it's fine.

1211
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: Your voice is like taking care of a baby. If

1212
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: you can do that, it's don't have a voice.

1213
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, I can't my voice. Taking care of

1214
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: my voice is like taking care of a body. If

1215
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: I don't sleep, if I don't nap, if I don't hydrate,

1216
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: if I don't chew my gum, if I don't use

1217
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: my pea bottle to keep from waking up in the

1218
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: middle of the night, if I don't do all of

1219
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: those things, if I don't do my CARDI So I

1220
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: have a regimen like before I go. You know, when

1221
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: I get up in the morning on the road, I'll

1222
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: go do something in the city for a few hours,

1223
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: come back, take a nap, I wake up, I eat something,

1224
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: I work out to wake my voice back up again,

1225
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 1: and then I come back in. I do a steam

1226
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: shower to hidrate my voice. I've been drinking water all

1227
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: day with this. Then I'll get cleaned up, do my

1228
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: meet and greet, say hey everybody or whatever. Then I

1229
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 1: come do my vocal warm ups with my vocal coachs.

1230
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,479
Speaker 1: Then I do my vocal warm ups with my band,

1231
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: and then we play the show. If any of that

1232
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: gets screwed up, if I don't get enough sleep, if

1233
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't hydrate, any of those pieces don't fall in line,

1234
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose my voice.

1235
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 2: Okay, but how much of that is your mind making

1236
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: you lose your voice versus your body going I didn't

1237
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: get what I needed. I'm losing my voice.

1238
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: Oh, it's one hundred percent your body like it. It's

1239
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: not a my mind.

1240
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: I don't think that a bit of your mind. If

1241
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 2: you miss one of them, you're gonna Because I freak

1242
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: out all the time about sleep because I have to

1243
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: talk for five hours a day, just just the morning

1244
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: part of the show, Right, I freak out about sleep.

1245
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: But if I freak out a whole lot, it then

1246
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: manifest itself and meat like my body start not to

1247
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: sleep the first or second time, but my psychological issue

1248
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: then manifest itself into me losing my voice, which was

1249
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: what I was scared about to begin with, which wouldn't

1250
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: have happened to had it not.

1251
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: Freaked out about it right right, Well, your cortisol, I

1252
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: was like, ues could go up from stress where you're

1253
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: like affecting your wellness for that day or whatever.

1254
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: That can definitely play into it. Because nights I try

1255
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 3: to go to bed super early.

1256
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: I wake up at like.

1257
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Two in the morning, why fucking awake, and I can't

1258
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: do anything. So I kind of know what those things are.

1259
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: But also the sleep cocktail that I take is magnesium

1260
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: three and eight, which I learned this from Andrew Huberman.

1261
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if you listen to his podcast. He's brilliant physically.

1262
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 2: You guys remind me of each other, Like he's all

1263
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: tatted up and like, yeah, super smart, and he talks

1264
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: like you and you're like, oh, guys are actually really

1265
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: smart and can beat me up. That sucks. That's how

1266
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: That's what I said, Go ahead.

1267
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: So I take magnesium three and eight, which is the

1268
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: only magnesium that breaks the blood brain barrier, so it

1269
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: actually relaxes your mind as well as your body when

1270
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: you're sleeping.

1271
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: And then I take theenine l theenine, and then I.

1272
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: Use this other little score bottles called lipocalm and it's

1273
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: like Quicksilver Labs makes the stuff and it's I could

1274
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: turn you onto it. So if I do those things

1275
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: thirty minutes after I take those or whatever, I'll feel

1276
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: more tired. But also if I've gotten my workouts and

1277
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: my stretching and everything in that day, I'm also kind

1278
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: of there if I don't. And caffeine's a big thing

1279
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: for me too, So I can't drink caffeine on show days.

1280
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: At all because it's a diuretic. It makes you flush water,

1281
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: which makes you dehydrated. So you know, the amount of

1282
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: caffeine that you take, and doing it earlier in the

1283
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: day is good rather than later because that disturbs my sleep.

1284
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 3: It makes me. I feel caffeine in my teeth.

1285
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: If I drink like a big latte or something like,

1286
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: I feel it in my teeths ahile like my teeth

1287
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: and feel tighteror weird. It's like a weird thing, like

1288
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: it affects me. So I'm sensitive to those kind of chemicals.

1289
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: But if I take my sleep cocktail and I've worked

1290
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: out that day and I've kind of you know, and

1291
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: the other thing is just like trying to reduce the stress.

1292
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: Like that's what Covid did for me, because having nineteen

1293
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: businesses and trying to stay on top of those things

1294
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: and just it's.

1295
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: A matter of math.

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Speaker 1: If you have great people and there's only drawing my

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Speaker 1: five percent of the time, when you have two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty people, there's always eleven people that have a

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00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: problem and you have to help deal with that problem.

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Speaker 1: So the less brain damage that I put myself through,

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Speaker 1: the better I am. The less quartersol that I have

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Speaker 1: and the more chill that I'm going to be, so

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00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: that helps you to sleep as well. So you know,

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Speaker 1: if I focus on the things, that is just the

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Speaker 1: absolute best use of my time and and the things

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Speaker 1: that I enjoy spirit fishing.

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Speaker 3: I also really enjoy playing Fortnite.

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Speaker 2: I like to play Madden. I play my friends, only

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00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 2: my friends, but I lay Madden too. But I play,

1310
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: and it's the only time I can really that or

1311
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: like pickleballs, when I can turn my brain off, and

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Speaker 2: that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's how I mind fuck myself into exercising. I would

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Speaker 1: go down to my arc trainer and I would play

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00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: Madden for an hour. And while I'm on the arc trainer,

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00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: like just moving my feet playing a game of Madden.

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Speaker 3: So in my head, I'm going down to play Madden.

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Speaker 1: But then that turned into Fortnite, and so now I play,

1319
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: and I got a bunch of my friends are telling

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Speaker 1: me that I need to stream and do that stuff too.

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00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: It's but playing with my ca kids and then playing

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00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: with my friends all over that play and that's not

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Speaker 1: something I sit around the house doing all day like

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Speaker 1: I do that usually at night when after everything's kind

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Speaker 1: of done. But that's a great escape for me as

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Speaker 1: well because it's competitive and you get better at it

1327
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Speaker 1: as you as you go and do those things. But

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Speaker 1: so that's that's a fun thing that I like to do.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: Only gonna keep you like five or six more minutes.

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Speaker 2: But I got a few things. I'm gonna ask you

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Speaker 2: a question that my therapist asked me, but in a

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Speaker 2: very complimentary way where I'll go in and they'll say

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Speaker 2: one of my two we go to a couple's councilor too,

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Speaker 2: best thing we ever did before. We just we committed

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Speaker 2: to it very early on. It's very it's always uncomfortable

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00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: because it's like you, you don't go in to celebrate,

1339
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Speaker 2: you know, but do that. I don't go and by

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00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: myself to celebrate. You go in you like to you

1341
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: just as a fish as possible. And I go in

1342
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Speaker 2: and it's like, what are you working on now? It's

1343
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: like I'm writing a book, or I'm doing the radio show,

1344
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: or I'm touring or that day is like, okay, what

1345
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: are you running from? Because I fill up every minute

1346
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 2: of every day hearing you talk about everything that you're doing.

1347
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: What are you running from? What are you running too?

1348
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: Why so much all the time?

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00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: Again, I say that I've actually cut back a lot,

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00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: like I was forced to cut back a lot, and

1351
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: then I realized the value in that that I shouldn't

1352
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: have been doing all of those things. I shouldn't have

1353
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: been taking up so much of my capacity, because my

1354
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: creativity is buried underneath the fucking chatter and the effort

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Speaker 1: it takes to just try to get things even.

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Speaker 3: So I'm running toward that. I'm running towards ease.

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Speaker 1: I'm running towards choosing an acceptable amount of things to

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Speaker 1: get done in a day, and to try to do

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Speaker 1: those things really well. I'm running toward trying to be

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Speaker 1: in the best shape that I've ever been in, you know,

1361
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: nutrition wise, investing, you know, you turn forty, your warranty

1362
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: runs out.

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Speaker 2: I hurt all the time.

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Speaker 1: And so if you don't, if you don't start investing

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00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: in all the things that make you feel good, then

1366
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: your life experience. You can either suffer your whole life,

1367
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: or you can suffer a little bit every day and

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00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: just do these things that help make you feel better,

1369
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: so you have more to give and more to do that,

1370
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: because that's the sugar man, the greatest thing, the real

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00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: joy comes from serving other people.

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Speaker 2: Well, what were you running from? Then? Sounds like you're

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00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: healthier now running from? Yeah, I mean you do one

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00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: hundred and seven things. What are you trying to do it?

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00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: What are you running from?

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm running from old versions of myself and

1377
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: trying to be better, you know, I'm running from I'm

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Speaker 1: running from the patterns that I would find myself in.

1379
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Speaker 1: And it's like, how did I end up here again?

1380
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Speaker 1: And it's by my choices, and it's things that aren't

1381
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: always intuitive, you know. I mean, being too generous can

1382
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Speaker 1: end you up in really bad situations.

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Speaker 3: That's that's my nature.

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Speaker 1: My nature's to do that because I always want to

1385
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: feel I always want to err on the side of

1386
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Speaker 1: generosity with people, even if they do me wrong. I

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Speaker 1: want to end on the side of generosity, not for them,

1388
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: for me, because I don't ever have to look back

1389
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: and think I didn't do the right thing in that moment. So,

1390
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: but if you're too generous with people, if you give

1391
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: people cars and houses and things like that or whatever,

1392
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: it kind of ignites a certain kind of greed or

1393
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: entitlement in them. Then it changes the relationship and it's

1394
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: kind of like the right the wrong. The part of

1395
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: human nature that reacts to that is, well, why don't

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00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: you give me more? Where's the next thing? How's that

1397
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: going to becoming? How's it going to be doing? So

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00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: the old part of myself like studying the old part

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00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: of myself and the ways I was fucking up my

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Speaker 1: current state of zen were doing things that I felt like, well,

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Speaker 1: I have enough to give. I want to share this

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00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: with people or whatever. Being more careful of how I

1403
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: share that preserves the relationship a lot better. So just

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00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: telling someone that works for me, hey, an awesome job,

1405
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: thank you, you kill it, and then you know there's

1406
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: a Christmas gift and a bonus or whatever it is,

1407
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: but not being not interjecting my generosity into these things

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00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: too far because it ends up having a negative result

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Speaker 1: even though it was a positive thing.

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Speaker 3: So I'm learning.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn that within my my interpersonal relationships,

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Speaker 1: and you know, if I'm dating someone or whatever, it's like,

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00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: what is that level of doing it? Because I'm a

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Speaker 1: give all motherfucker. That's just how I'm made. So I

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Speaker 1: have to limit some of that sometimes in some ways bio.

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Speaker 2: That might change my bio to give all, but that

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Speaker 2: in mind, that's what I want to recalled. Yeah, I

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00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: give all.

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Speaker 3: I like to put myself into things and I like

1420
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Speaker 3: to love on my people.

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Speaker 2: But are the way that you do that?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes?

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Speaker 1: There's a really badass book called Sway. That book was

1424
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: very enlightening. They did all these studies of like, you

1425
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: know how what someone intuitively, what we do intuitively is like, hey,

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00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: if you want to fix this, give them some money

1427
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: so to help them fix their problem.

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Speaker 3: But they don't spend the money on fixing their problem.

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Speaker 1: They spend it on something else and then they're just

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Speaker 1: asking for my money and it just makes the problem worse.

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Speaker 2: So it's a right, right, but there's a psychology.

1432
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Speaker 1: Around it all. It's like, can somebody give me tools?

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Speaker 1: And that's why I do therapy as well. That's why

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Speaker 1: I applaud you for doing it, because we're not born

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Speaker 1: with these tools, right.

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Speaker 3: We need we need things to go. What do we

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Speaker 3: do when this thing happens?

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Speaker 1: And it's like, here's a tool, and if you practice

1439
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: that long enough you can see a result, Like I'm

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01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: getting a better result in my life because I was

1441
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: given this tool to do this, So doing therapy, finding people, mentors,

1442
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: asking questions, getting as much as many tools as you

1443
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: can so that you can handle these things in a

1444
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: good way and have a better result, because the results

1445
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: really all that matters. Like and it's like, Okay, I

1446
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: have to do these hard things. I have to not

1447
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: give myself fully in these ways to get a better result.

1448
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Speaker 1: And so I'm just always curious, like what is that?

1449
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: What's the tool?

1450
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: Tell me? Tell me what's you know? Because I don't.

1451
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm not someone that really lives on ego around things.

1452
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody has a better way of doing something,

1453
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: that's why it works great when you find the right songwriter.

1454
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: The best idea wins. Always doesn't have to be my idea.

1455
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't care. But you both know it when you're

1456
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: with somebody and you can lay your ego down and

1457
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: you write something and somebody comes up with something and

1458
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: you're like, there it is.

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Speaker 3: We've been looking for that for two hours.

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01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: There it is.

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Speaker 3: We both can recognize it, and it's like, fuck, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Or ten years or ten years, Yeah, it may take

1463
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Speaker 1: ten years to get the right thing, but you know,

1464
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: what you shouldn't compromise, you know, to get things to

1465
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: that level ten experience, like do you want to write

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Speaker 1: something it's okay, you want to write something that's fucking great,

1467
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: and then you're always hear and you're like, I got

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Speaker 1: every line of that song the way I wanted it,

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Speaker 1: and that's all that matters. It's not really about it

1470
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Speaker 1: being perfect, because you're never going to be perfect. Let's

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Speaker 1: get it where you want it.

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Speaker 2: Got two final questions for you. It seems from thirty

1473
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: thousand feet up that you and your band are closer

1474
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: than the average person in their band. And I don't

1475
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 2: know this specific relationship you have with every one of them,

1476
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: and that's not what I'm asking. But if that is true,

1477
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Speaker 2: how do you stay a boss and a friend. I've

1478
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Speaker 2: hired all my friends my whole life. Yeah, seventeen twenty years.

1479
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: I've had to learn by doing things wrong on how

1480
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Speaker 2: to be a boss and a friend. And you can

1481
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Speaker 2: do it both. But it is tricky. But what is

1482
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: it for you? How do you do it?

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01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: It comes along with a lot of time. It comes

1484
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: along with them really trusting my judgment on things. They

1485
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Speaker 1: don't question my judgment anymore. I think in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: I had to stand up and say, look, if there's

1487
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: eight ideas and everybody wants their idea to win, there's

1488
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: not ever a solution.

1489
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Speaker 3: You can't ever finish anything.

1490
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: But I think the people in my band, we all

1491
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: love each other and we trust each other and also

1492
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: trust them to challenge me if there's something that's like, hey,

1493
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: they think this can be better, let me listen to here.

1494
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: My bass player just text me the other day. He

1495
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Speaker 1: sent me a version of a song that we did

1496
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Speaker 1: last week, and I thought one of my guys missed

1497
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Speaker 1: an entrance on the thing. I'm like, hey, remind them

1498
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: that they missed the interests And he sent it to

1499
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: me and it was actually me, I missed my entrance

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Speaker 1: to it, which you know, he came in at the

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01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: right place, but in my mind, I thought he needs

1502
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: to be mindful of that or whatever. And he was like,

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01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to challenge you. I'm like, dude, always

1504
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: challenge me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: You know, to win though. Yeah, So Mike, while you laughing, buddy,

1506
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: you got it win if you points something out like that.

1507
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm just saying, yeah, I agree, like challenge,

1508
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: but if you do, you better make sure you win. Yeah.

1509
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: Well, and to me that that's the thing and having

1510
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: incredible people. The people in my band are all exceptional

1511
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: human beings. They're all dynamic people, but we share a

1512
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: love for music, every one of us, and we all

1513
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: want to get it right. Because there's nine people in

1514
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: the band, right, if everybody's playing on something, what.

1515
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 3: You don't play is just as important as what you do.

1516
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: So a lot of times we'll go in, all nine

1517
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: of us will play something, then I'll subtract sixty percent

1518
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: of all of it and that's what serves the song.

1519
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: But they ultimately know and can trust I'm going to

1520
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: pick what serves the song, and then they play their

1521
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: role in doing that. So they're like the ultimate orchestra

1522
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: for me. They're as much or as little as it

1523
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: needs to be for that thing, whatever serves it, and

1524
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: they don't have egos about it. We don't have egos

1525
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: about arriving at the best solution, and I think that's

1526
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: what makes it go around. But I can't I watch

1527
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: like the Egos documentary, like they.

1528
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: Hated each other. I couldn't.

1529
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: I could not work or live in an environment where

1530
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: I hated the people I worked with.

1531
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm not capable. I'm too close to that people, I

1532
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: mean literally physically too close to have to hate and act.

1533
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: And if I'm acting and I'm uncomfortable, I'm not creating

1534
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: at my best.

1535
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: So bad energy, bad vibes does not work, and it

1536
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: takes sucks away the creativity. And I'm so blessed to

1537
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: have the band that I have because they're all extraordinary

1538
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: human beings and extraordinary musicians, and we all serve the

1539
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: song and we serve the live performance. Whatever makes that

1540
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: the best, that's what we do. But ultimately someone has

1541
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: to be the leader, and they're trust me with that role,

1542
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: and I have to have last say on whatever. It is,

1543
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: not for my ego, but because my instincts have gotten

1544
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: us where we are and they trust my instincts, and

1545
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: that was earned.

1546
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 3: Doesn't just happen.

1547
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: I feel like you're saying what I think all the time.

1548
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna play this. People listen to what Zach says,

1549
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: but it's actually like, okay, look two things, not even

1550
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: questions too. I want to We talked about a lot

1551
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: of the new music the ACM before you came in,

1552
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: so all the business was covered. I wanted to spend

1553
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: this time just kind of get to know you in

1554
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: a way that I've never really got to know you

1555
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: although we've spent time together. Yeah, you rarely get like

1556
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: this forced intimacy, which is what this is in the

1557
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:22,959
Speaker 2: best way.

1558
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's not pulling on us or whatever.

1559
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: So two things. Number One, I will say it again.

1560
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: I've said it to you and I've said it to

1561
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: other people. I believe with all my heart that you

1562
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: guys are the greatest country band to ever exist.

1563
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 3: Thank you. That's a huge honor.

1564
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 2: And there are some there's some good ones, there's some

1565
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: great ones. But I do think that what you have

1566
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: produced and what you have kept consistent is and I

1567
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: don't even want to put you in the band category,

1568
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: but I will because you're a band for the I

1569
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: do think you're the greatest country band of all time.

1570
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 2: And I think there were real misses too, where not

1571
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 2: by you, but by the industry, which again, you can't

1572
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: care about the industry to create how you create, and

1573
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 2: that's part of how you create. And at times, and

1574
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: I've been I'm not going to even say victim, the

1575
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: victim of it where I do things my way, but

1576
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 2: I can't be mad. Sometimes when the industry goes, we

1577
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: don't like it, so we're not gonna ward you things,

1578
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: right because I do things that are absolutely counter of

1579
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: what I've been told I'm supposed to do. I do

1580
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: think there have been times where you guys were you

1581
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: just undeservingly didn't get what you deserved. Because we're gonna

1582
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 2: look back in twenty years and you know you're gonna

1583
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: be sixty something and it's going to be known. It's like,

1584
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: oh yeah, obviously that was the Derek Jeter of I mean,

1585
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 2: you guys do that, but you're still in it. You're

1586
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: still in your prime right now, and it's really rare,

1587
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: I think to understand what an artist is in the

1588
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: middle of being awesome and they're still doing it. A

1589
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: lot of times we just know later I look at

1590
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: that body of work, who even knew they were that great?

1591
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 2: So that's a compliment for me to you. I believe

1592
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: the greatest country band in the history, and not even

1593
01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: in the band space and live aside from the music

1594
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 2: that you make and produce, it's the best live band show.

1595
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 2: I've never actually considered like it'd be Top three, and

1596
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even have a ranking i've ever seen you

1597
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: guys are that good?

1598
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 3: Thank you?

1599
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: Uh so I want to say that. And I don't

1600
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 2: know if whatever awards you're up for. We talked about

1601
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: the Acmosulf. I hope you win everything. I know what

1602
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: it's like to not win, to be like, well this sucks.

1603
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: But then I got to go, you know what, you

1604
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 2: don't play by the rules, So why do you expect

1605
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 2: to be rewarded by the rules.

1606
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't. You can't be measured by those wins.

1607
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 2: I still get but I still get up. I still

1608
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: get mad sometimes.

1609
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get mad for other people too. I get

1610
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: mad for people that really deserve to be heard. And

1611
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: I wish I wish in some ways that country music

1612
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: was like the Olympics, right, that the people that are

1613
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: the most extraordinary and then they write the most extraordinary

1614
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: things would be the ones that get the attention and

1615
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: get those things. Sugenctive though it is, it is, I

1616
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: mean it's very and it's like, you know, who's the

1617
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: greatest guitar player ever? Like they're it's you can't really

1618
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: decide that that thing. I wish that there was sometimes

1619
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: a little bit higher bar for what is accepted and celebrated,

1620
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: but those people aren't the most exploited sometimes and living

1621
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: outside of those things. So we accept our wins every

1622
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: night that we sell out a stadium, every night, that

1623
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: we sell out a ballpark, like, that's that for us

1624
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: is our wins. So we win our awards every night

1625
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: and our mind my band of that. It's hard bringing

1626
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: my band to ordshow after ward show after ward show

1627
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: and never winning. But we're not really one of their

1628
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: horses necessarily, So that's okay because we don't have to

1629
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: be anything other than ourselves and we get to play

1630
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: for people, and we get to do what we love

1631
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: to do, and we fucking win.

1632
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: And what kept you from winning awards is what made

1633
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 2: you wildly successful at the same time, Yeah, for sure

1634
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 2: doing it differently, Like so I wanted to say that

1635
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 2: to you. And then secondly, uh, I don't know what.

1636
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what Kenny's thinking. He said, come on

1637
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: after you, guys. He's out of his mind. He's out

1638
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: of his and I love Kenny, and Kenny doesn't like

1639
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: nobody have ever seen, he plays stadiums. He's that guy.

1640
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: If there's one artist I am not coming on after,

1641
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: it's you, guys. What is he thinking.

1642
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 1: I love I love Kenny's you know tenacity man, He's

1643
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: he's great. And I watched I watched the first half

1644
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: of the show after he played or whatever, and he's

1645
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: bringing the energy, man, he's bringing the love and pulling

1646
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: those things together. And his model, he created his own model.

1647
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: You know, he's not it's his own promoter, his own

1648
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 1: I mean, he works with his own group to do everything, management, everything.

1649
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: So Kenny, I tip my hat to Kenny because you

1650
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: know he's a force man and he's he's done it.

1651
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: And when when this thing came up to being able

1652
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: to do it, and you know the big thing, my baby.

1653
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 3: Next year we're going into the sphere.

1654
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: You are going to do that or you want to

1655
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:57,799
Speaker 2: do we are.

1656
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: Really we're going in the sphere. We're gonna do a

1657
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: residin see the sphere, my baby. And so this year,

1658
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: because of the Kenny opportunity, we're only playing basically one

1659
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: day a week, but that gives me six days a

1660
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: week that I don't have my kids that I can

1661
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: work on my baby, which is the sphere and what

1662
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: we're going to do in the.

1663
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: Sphere visually, sonically.

1664
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: The whole thing, the concept, everything about it, and I've

1665
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: got an incredible team I've put together to help me

1666
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: to do this thing, working on it, but you have

1667
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: to come to see us at the Sphere.

1668
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 2: It's the greatest.

1669
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: It's the greatest canvas for creativity and video that's ever

1670
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: been created ever.

1671
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: That's all. The fish was fish. You see the fish fish.

1672
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to see them.

1673
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 2: Did you like the car inside the Sphere? And you

1674
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: know talking about Yeah.

1675
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: What FIST did was a different concept because they did

1676
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: sixteen hours of music.

1677
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 2: They did four four hour nights of music.

1678
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: They never played the same song twice, and they never

1679
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: did any of the same video content twice. So theirs

1680
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: was not as it wasn't utilizing what the place can

1681
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: fully do, but it was giving them the biggest.

1682
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: Craziest backdrop they've ever hat.

1683
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: Sure, so I didn't know what it was going to be,

1684
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: but I went to see it and I was like, Okay,

1685
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: I get it now.

1686
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,440
Speaker 2: But possibilities were You're just blown away at the possibilities

1687
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 2: when you saw it the first.

1688
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: Time when I when I went to see the thing,

1689
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: when you two was loading in before the building was

1690
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: open and saw what it was, and the possibilities or

1691
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: whatever it's like, this is my moment, this is my

1692
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: moment to create something that so far exceeds everyone's expectations

1693
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: that we're in a different category now.

1694
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 3: And that's our plan. So when do you march next year?

1695
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: So here's my idea and we're gonna end on this.

1696
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 2: You're not gonna like it, but whatever, it's better than

1697
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: plural ar mules though I can't even say it. So

1698
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 2: you see how hard this is? Singing like everybody sing

1699
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 2: along plural ar see even just be a disaster. But

1700
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: this is what I want to do. I want to

1701
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:51,839
Speaker 2: do like a small documentary of me in a large

1702
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 2: band faking playing instruments the whole night, like a saxophone

1703
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 2: one you don't I'm not even plugged.

1704
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: In, right, just have a track plan and you're just know,

1705
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't even you don't have to.

1706
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 2: Have to have a saxophone playing. But I'm just over

1707
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 2: on the side, just riping a saxophone with the band, right,

1708
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: switch it out next thing you do, and I'm playing, okay,

1709
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: So and the.

1710
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: Whole are you going to be yourself or be something else?

1711
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: Like I have someone disguise used to know they.

1712
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 2: Have to dis guise me a little bit so they

1713
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: don't know what the shoke, but just me going to town.

1714
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 2: I wanted to do it in like a big band,

1715
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 2: like uh, you know, Brian sits the orchestra, that type

1716
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 2: thing with all that, and just act like I'm on

1717
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: a horn the whole time and see if anybody even

1718
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 2: notices and do that and see if anyone ever posts

1719
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 2: what this guy's played like every instrument and I've not

1720
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 2: heard him once. At one point I got like the drug.

1721
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: You know, okay, so they wouldn't be any audio of

1722
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 3: supporting it, just be no no.

1723
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 2: But also you don't acknowledge it. You never acknowledge it's fake.

1724
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 2: No one ever even looks over it makes a deal.

1725
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 2: But I'm like, given to the.

1726
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 3: Tuba, all right, when are you gonna do this?

1727
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying to find the right partner.

1728
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 2: It's been to be about ten years figured out, but

1729
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to it, okay, Yeah, okay, Look, we

1730
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: talked about tie up everything, all the business this we

1731
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 2: did before you came in. I appreciate you giving me

1732
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 2: an hour to just hang and talk to you and

1733
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: get to know you a little better. All the all

1734
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 2: the cool things that are happening now. I mean, it's

1735
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: absurd to have a goal of doing something amazing, but

1736
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 2: if you don't have that goal doing something amazing, that

1737
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: absurdity will never happen. That's true. And You've always been

1738
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: that guy that's like, we're selling out, we're doing it big,

1739
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 2: we're doing it bigger. Let's keep going bigger, and like

1740
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: that inspires me because I'm like, let's go, let's go.

1741
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 2: So to see you continue to do this that that's

1742
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: that's that's really cool. And you're still in your freaking prime.

1743
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: And I give you I don't have any literal flowers,

1744
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 2: but I give you my creative flowers.

1745
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: Thanks brother. Hey you too, man. I've watched your career

1746
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: climb and get you get where you are and I.

1747
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 2: Got to do a bridge. I'm tested. I was gonna say,

1748
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 2: tapped out. Man. Once that bridge went up, I was like,

1749
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 2: you're still doing I've accomplished it all. And also I

1750
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: don't like the compliments. I'm gonna move off, but good

1751
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 2: to see you, Mike. Anything for for Zach, when did

1752
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: you fully commit to the tattoos? Because right now I

1753
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 2: just got my second one, and I'm like, I kind

1754
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: of want to go and get a little further, Like

1755
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: how like what point did you say I'm going fully committing?

1756
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: You know, I love art so much, and you get

1757
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: to carry a certain art around with you, so you

1758
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: better find things that you like and that you like

1759
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: to look at and do. And then just I think,

1760
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 1: over time, I just kept finding things, things that meant

1761
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: something to me.

1762
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 2: You know.

1763
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a map of my life on me,

1764
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: and it's art that I get to carry with me

1765
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: and things that have meaning, you know. It just I

1766
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: think over time it just keeps you just keep adding

1767
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: to it. It's like anything else, man, It's just a journey.

1768
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 2: Man.

1769
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: So in your journey, you just keep finding something that

1770
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: means something to you and just keep adding to it.

1771
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, enough time goes by,

1772
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: you look down You're like, I got a bunch tattoos.

1773
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 3: It was never like I'm just gonna be all tatted up.

1774
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't a goal like I'm gonna go because that's

1775
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 2: what I would do, be obsessed with getting my whole

1776
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: body cover.

1777
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 3: Oh, after you get one, you're definitely gonna want more.

1778
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 2: I got like six all in one off. Yeah. Yeah,

1779
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 2: Like the picture of you I have here. I don't

1780
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: even even seen it yet, but I thought it'd be

1781
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 2: weird to show you. But yeah, once I got referred

1782
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 2: to as the tatted up guy, I felt good by that. Yeah, yeah,

1783
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 2: don't forget about it.

1784
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are kind of addictive when but then it

1785
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: takes away from my spear fishing sometimes. If I know

1786
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: if I'm going to be tattooed and I can't swim

1787
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: for a week, like that's kept me from getting a

1788
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: lot of tattoos in the last year.

1789
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: Should be like, look at the tatto dude coming down.

1790
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 3: He's kind of camouflage. It's kind of camouflage.

1791
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: Actually, it's that good to talk to you about it too.

1792
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production