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Speaker 1: Just the name evokes glamor, beauty, grace, But even now,

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Speaker 1: decades later, many convinced Natalie Wood didn't quote just drown,

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Speaker 1: at Catalina Island found the body of Natalie Wood floating

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Speaker 1: constant stream of mourners. The couple had been popular fixtures

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Speaker 1: As an actress, Miss Wood rose to prominence with Miracle

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Speaker 1: In the last days, the death of Natalie Wood has

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Speaker 1: Not only was Natalie found, her body found loading out

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bryan Russell's psychologist, lawyer and host of investigation Discoveries

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Speaker 1: Fatal Vows. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research

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Speaker 1: There's no way this is unusual. Bit, My daughter Caroline

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Speaker 1: is exactly Natalie Wood's height. Caroline could no more from

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Speaker 1: the back of that boat, reach that thinging pull it

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Speaker 1: toward her, and enter it without help. And here's what

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Speaker 1: key to me. The night before, when she's mad and

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Speaker 1: upset and angry and wants to get away from him,

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Speaker 1: she don't jump in that boat and take off. She

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Speaker 1: gets Dennis to take her the next night. You want

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Speaker 1: me to believe that Natalie Wood, who would flaw it?

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Speaker 1: I have personally looked at over twelve hundred photographs of

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Speaker 1: Natalie Wood. There ain't a bad one. There's only one

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Speaker 1: that I had found. She's an a babe walking down

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Speaker 1: the beach. Her smile is perfect, The babess is perfect

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Speaker 1: to lay, her legs are position, walking is perfect. But

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Speaker 1: her eyes were closed. That is as close to a

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Speaker 1: bad picture of her that I have found. The reason

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Speaker 1: that's key. I am never gonna believe that Natalie would

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Speaker 1: guide in a boats by herself, that she was petrified

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Speaker 1: of the water, That she was petrified of a boat

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Speaker 1: she never drove and went to town in a flannel

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Speaker 1: nightgown did not happen. Natalie Woods would not get bot

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Speaker 1: people to believe she owed flannel. She was a movie

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Speaker 1: star all the time. It wasn't. It wasn't playing Natalie

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Speaker 1: as she was. We wait and hope for justice. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye Friend.