1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is the one and only 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: West Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field West. It's the middle of the week. 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Packers forty Niners for the NFC Championship will take place 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: on Sunday PM Central Time. This is normally the show 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: where we take a closer look at the Packers opponent. 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: We were just doing so with the forty Niners about 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: a month and a half ago, so we won't necessarily 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: review all of that, but I do want to take 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: a look at before we get to some Pro Football 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame news later in the show, just to 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: tease that a little bit, but I do want to 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: take a look at the forty Niners season, how it 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: finished up after the victory over the Packers in Week twelve, 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: and when you look at how this unfolded for San 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Francis Go. The Niners final five regular season games literally 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: came down to the last play of the game. I 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: mean they were involved in crunch time game. After crunch 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: time game, they went three and two. They lost to 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: the Ravens on the last second field goal. They lost 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: to the Falcons on a last second touchdown, but they 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: pulled out victories over the Saints, over the Rams, and 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: over the Seahawks to win the NFC West and get 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: that NFC's number one seed, which is why they are 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: hosting the Packers this weekend. It was a really, really 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: uh tough stretch of games, a gauntlet so to speak, 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: that the Forts finished their season. Yeah, and honestly, I 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: think there's maybe one game in there that they didn't 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: play well. I felt like the Atlanta game they just 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: they played poorly in that other ones, I mean, they 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: had a couple of things that didn't go their way, 33 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: But I mean I thought they put together a good 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: effort against the Saints. Obviously, the game against the Ravens 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: was what it was. Robbie Gold, I believe, was still 36 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: injured during that game, and obviously, you know, the Ravens 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: won it on a game winning field goal. And then 38 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: you go to that Seahawks game, and it's funny, Mike, 39 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: when you look at how the Packers won that game 40 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: against Seattle. Now, while they had a little bit more 41 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: breathing room than the Forts did, very similar in how 42 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: those second halves played out, can you stop Russell Wilson 43 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: that one play, that one drive that you need you 44 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: to fill, you know, get a victory. San Francisco did that, 45 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: and it just shows you that it doesn't matter if 46 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: you're the first ranked defense or the last ranked defense. 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: If you're going up against Russell Wilson, you're in for 48 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: a long afternoon. And when they needed, I felt they 49 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: needed to pull things together and make a statement. They 50 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: did that against Minnesota. That was the game where they 51 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: definitively put their foot down and said we are the 52 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: better team. Because you're right. That was an absolute gauntlet. 53 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: They won games that maybe they shouldn't have when you 54 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: look at the Rams contest, and they lost a game 55 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: against the Falcons that they very much should have won. 56 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 1: They were the number one seed, they got the first 57 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: round by they put it to good use. They're very 58 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: healthy and had the performance that they did against the 59 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: Vikings well. And I think the game that everybody points 60 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: to as probably the game of the year in the 61 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: NFL as far as the regular season is concerned, was 62 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: that forty Niners visit to the super Dome in New 63 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: Orleans back and forth. One of the highest scoring games 64 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL. The final was forty forty six. New 65 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: Orleans gets a touchdown. I believe it was less than 66 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: a minute to go, like fifty some seconds on the clock. 67 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: New Orleans takes the lead. The forty Niners come back 68 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: the other way and they look they're hanging by a 69 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: thread there at fourth down. The game is on the line, 70 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: and then George Kittle catches the pass, breaks some tackles, 71 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: gets a big play down the field, and that sets 72 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: up the game winning field goal. Not only obviously was 73 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: that instrumental in the forty Niners ultimately getting the number 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: one seed, it also helped the Packers get a first 75 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: round by because it tagged a loss on the Saints. 76 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: That ended up proving pivotal as far as all of 77 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: the tie breakers and everything else went with regard to 78 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: the playoff seeding. But that was one ale of a game, 79 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: and I think that was the game that a lot 80 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: of people said, Okay, that's the one that really pegs 81 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: the Niners as the team to beat in the NFC 82 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: because they went into New Orleans. Everybody knows that's a 83 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: tough place to play. They want to shoot out and 84 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: uh and they did it in pretty impressive fashion yea, 85 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: and they got a two point stop at the end 86 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: of that game. You know, there was the touchdown pass 87 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: from Breeze with fifty three seconds, that's right, and the 88 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: Saints went for two. They went for two because they 89 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: want to be able to persive it absolute point advantage. 90 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: And for the exact reason that played out, Robbie Gold 91 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: comes down, makes the thirty yard field goal, forty Niners win. 92 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: But you know, much like the Packers and and JR. 93 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: Alexander getting that sack of Wilson, you know, those those 94 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: can be such momentum turning plays, even though they aren't 95 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 1: always the first thing to the top of your mind. 96 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: I just felt like the San Francisco forty Niners showed 97 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: a lot of fortitude and grit during the second half 98 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: of the season, because, yeah, you can talk about those 99 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: last five games in the regular season, all of them 100 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: being one score. Before that, they had to knock down, 101 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: drag out games against Arizona. They've really been tested when 102 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: when you look at how their season has played out. 103 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: What was the other game too, I'm trying to think 104 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: of off the top of my head, uh, Seattle beating 105 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: them on November eleven, twenty four Yeah, that overtime game 106 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: on Monday night that almost ended in a tie. Like 107 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: the over, the overtime almost expired before the Seahawks won. Yeah, 108 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: and so much of this is put on the Packers for, 109 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, winning ugly and all these things. I mean, 110 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: people kind of forget that once the forty niner is lost, 111 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: and even before that, you know, them beating Washington nine 112 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: to zero. I mean, they've had to win ugly two. 113 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: That's what makes this game great and as good as 114 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: Seattle has been in the second half this year, and 115 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: how they've won their share of one score games. I 116 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: think when you look at the true strength and makeup 117 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: of the NFC right now, as I said on yesterday's show, 118 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: it's Green Bay and it's San Francisco. It's these two 119 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: Titans that are finally gonna clash here, And as Kyle 120 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: Shannon's talked about, as Matt with Floors talked about, this 121 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: is going to be a different game. I'm mostly just 122 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: interested in seeing one what adjustments Anahan makes offensively in 123 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: this rematch against Mike Petton, his former head coach when 124 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: they were together in Cleveland, and how Matt Lafleur tries 125 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: to steer the ship differently for this offense in Round 126 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: two against San Francisco. What did he learn from maybe 127 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: watching the Rams? What did he learn from watching what's 128 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: the Saints did? Is there certain avenues towards victory there 129 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: that maybe the Packers didn't explore the first time that 130 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: would allow him to get off to a faster start. Yeah, 131 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: and obviously I think the Packers are are looking for 132 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: a faster start. Things went south early in that that 133 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: first matchup in Week twelve, and the Packers never really recovered. That. 134 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: Being said, you know, you look at the way the 135 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: forty niner season ended, as we talked about, with all 136 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: these close games. You look at the way the Packers 137 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: entire season is gone. With all these close games in 138 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, you just get the feeling, just like 139 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: with the Seattle game um last week, that that this one, 140 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: this one's gonna be a four quarter battle. The Week 141 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: twelve result, notwithstanding the the overwhelming evidence with regard to 142 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: these two teams is that these are the kind these 143 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: are the kind of games that they play. I remember 144 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on that. I believe it was a 145 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: Saturday night game in Week sixteen when the forty Niners 146 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: were playing the Rams, which of course Packers fans had 147 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: their eye on because of potential seating possibilities and all 148 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: of that. And the game is tied, and twice on 149 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: San Francisco's game winning drive to kick the walk off 150 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: field goal at the end, they had third and sixteen. Offensively, 151 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: they converted it both times, you know, much like you 152 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: know the Packers hitting the big third down conversions against 153 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: Seattle to not give Russell Wilson another chance. The Rams 154 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: were in great shape. You're at third and sixteen, you 155 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: get a stop, you got a minute or so on 156 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: the clock. Jared Goff maybe drives them down to to 157 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: kick a field goal and win that game. But um, 158 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo converts a pair of third and sixteens. The 159 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: the number of crunch time, clutch moments that both of 160 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: these teams have been through throughout the course of the season, 161 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: I think is what really makes this interesting that now 162 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: they're the last two teams standing in the NFC. Yeah, 163 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: and what is an NFL season like? It is a 164 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: battle of attrition. It's trying to, you know, manage the 165 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: highs and the lows of a year. Because, as everyone 166 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: always likes to talk about it's been what forty seven 167 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: years now since the team has gone undefeated for an 168 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: entire season through the Super Bowl. You're gonna take losses, 169 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna take punches on your chin, But how do 170 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: you bounce back for them? And I think see San 171 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: Francisco and Green Bay have been two of the most 172 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: resilient teams in the NFL this year, and it goes 173 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: back to confidence. Uh, these teams are not swayed by, 174 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, certain outcomes of adversity. They if they if 175 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna take a loss, they're gonna learn from it 176 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: and they're gonna try their best the following week to 177 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: not replicate those mistakes. That's what stood out to me 178 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: the most during the second half of the season with 179 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: San Francisco because it's not like, Okay, you have Jerry 180 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: Rice and you've got you know, Garrison Hurst. You have 181 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: guys that you need to feed the football too, and 182 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: that's your offense. That's not the way they operate. They 183 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: got three different running backs, four different running backs. If 184 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: you want to throw Jeff Wilson in there, that can 185 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: all take the ball in the backfield. The Packers got 186 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: a little familiar with Wilson in that first game. You 187 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: you have, yes, Emmanuel Sanders that came in, but they 188 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: didn't just start piping the ball to Emmanuel Sanders every 189 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: single down. You have different areas where they thrive in. 190 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: I think they have the best tight end in football, 191 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: they have the best fullback in football. They win in 192 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: unconventional ways, and they thrive unconventionally. That statistic as I 193 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: was watching the game against Minnesota that I wasn't familiar 194 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: with is the fact that Jimmy Garoppolo's average yards per 195 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: pass are the league's low right now among quarterbacks. They 196 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: asked so much in terms of yards after catch from 197 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: their receivers to get the ball and then create afterwards. 198 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: Get the ball in open field and let your athletes work. 199 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: That's what's made them so I think, honestly dominant throughout 200 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: the course of the year, because if there's anything that 201 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: is difficult to beat in the NFL, it's a team 202 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: that consistently moves the chains and gets first down. In 203 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: San Francisco for the large part of this season, has 204 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: been one of the best at doing that. Yeah. Absolutely, 205 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: And when you look at last week's game against Minnesota, 206 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: which really was quite a statement by the four Niners. 207 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: The way they dominated that game. They obviously used the 208 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: playoff by to their advantage. They got some guys healthy, 209 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: and they were in control of that game pretty much 210 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: from start to finish. Garoppolo made the one mistake he 211 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: threw the interception to Eric Kendricks, but the Vikings didn't 212 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: totally capitalize on it. They only got a field goal 213 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: out of it, and uh and then the Vikings never 214 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: were able to completely close the gap. What Minnesota was 215 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: able to do in that game was limit George Kittle, 216 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: which not a lot of teams have been able to do. 217 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: And I'm no xs and OS expert, and I did 218 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: not sit and watch the game from start to finish, 219 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: had some other things going on on Saturday. But in 220 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: stopping George Kittle, the one thing the Vikings were not 221 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: able to do was stop the running game, because because 222 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: San Francisco just pounded the ball I think one of 223 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: the touchdown drives, didn't They run the ball on every 224 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: single play, like seven or eight plays for sixty yards 225 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: something like that. So Minnesota was able to take Kiddle 226 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: out of the game, but was that at the expense 227 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: of not being able to stop the run I mean, 228 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: that's what makes these guys so tough to defend. And 229 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: what you said about whatever adjustments Petton is going to make, 230 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: and as we've talked about whatever adjustments the Fleur might 231 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: make in terms of trying to get Aaron Rodgers out 232 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: of the pocket. Look at look at what the Rams did. Uh, 233 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of working sideline to sideline offensively 234 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: to uh to get that defense moving. It all sounds 235 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: great in theory, but you have to execute it so 236 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: precisely against these guys because they're really, really good. Yeah. 237 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: And the reason I'm gonna agree with you that I 238 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: think that is what happened. The emphasis on Kittle in 239 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: the pasting game costs them against the run is because 240 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: San Francisco had forty seven carries forty three if you 241 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: don't want to count Garoppolo. Their longest carry was eleven yards. 242 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't Derrick Henry wearing you down, wearing 243 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: you down and then busting a big one. They were 244 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: just ahead of the chains. Everything they were. They were 245 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: in second and three, second and four. It seemed like 246 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: the vast, the vast majority of the time I was 247 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: looking at the screen, I wasn't seeing San Francisco in 248 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: second and eight or second nine. It was second and 249 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: four or second and five, second and two and uh. 250 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: And that's a great way to live offensively, especially with 251 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: that offense, when you use bunch formations and you're so 252 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: tight end heavy, it isn't trying to get you know, 253 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: stretch plays down the field. It's not trying to to 254 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, run go routes and outbreakers and trying to 255 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: do things to make it explosive play happen. They're just 256 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 1: they forced them organically, if that even makes sense. I mean, 257 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: they are just going to keep pushing the ball down 258 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: your throat until you just can't take it. And that's 259 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: the reason I think. For example, here twenty one first 260 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: downs forty in this game, there were seven for the Vikings. 261 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: Jimmy Grappil only completed eleven passes. The time of possession 262 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: was thirty one thirty three. Kyle Shanahan says all the 263 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: right things this week, and I think people who don't 264 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: really understand the four Niners and the way they win 265 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: will say, well, you know, he's just giving his guys 266 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: the right message that you know, you can't look at 267 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: that first game with Green Bay. You gotta be focused 268 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: on this one, yes, but it's also the fact that 269 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: they won that game in a very different fashion than 270 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: they usually win. The Packers dominated time of possession, The 271 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: Packers ran seventy offensive place at Green Bay was being 272 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: forced to go the length of the field. I don't 273 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: even think they got two hundred yards of total offense, 274 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: and San Francisco was being opportunistic. That's a way to win, 275 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: and it's allowed San Francisco to be a number one 276 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: seed and has allowed them to be one of the 277 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: best teams in football. But that's not their bread and butter. 278 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: Their bread and butter is doing what they did so 279 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: that when you're in the fourth quarter, your will is broken. Yeah, 280 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: that's what that's that's uh, that's definitely what they're after 281 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: and they had. They did have some breakdowns in the 282 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: fourth quarter late in the season that cost him a 283 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: couple of games. To their credit, they also bounced back 284 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: from a few of those breakdowns and they did not 285 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: ultimately give away the number one seed. And that's why 286 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: they're playing at home on Sunday. And here's the other 287 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: thing too, you have to consider with this, and we 288 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: talked about a little bit, but it's big man. Joe 289 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: Staley's back for them now, Kwon Alexander is back for them. 290 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: De Ford is back for them, And there's a certain 291 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: line of thinking out there. For as much attention as 292 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: Bosa has gotten this year, that a lot of that 293 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: attention and a lot of that success is going hand 294 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: in hand with having DeFord on the field, much like 295 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: having both of the Smith bros. When you get those 296 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: multiple pass rushers in different ways to pressure, that's going 297 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: to enable your playmakers to make more plays. This is 298 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: a big challenge, no question about it. On the flip side, 299 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: the Viking, sorry not the Vikings, the forty Niners have 300 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: lost two players on the interior in the trenches, center 301 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: Weston Richburg and defensive tackle those tackle DJ Jones are 302 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: both out for the season now, so that'll be a 303 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: little bit different from what the Packers faced back in 304 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: Week twelve. And rich Burg would you go back to 305 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: when John Lynch was building this team and they signed 306 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: him over from the Giants. I felt like that was 307 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: no no antenna, but a Lynch pin for their offensive 308 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: line because the way they want to run the ball, 309 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: in the way that he kind of compliments that style 310 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: that is a challenge, no question about it. Um and 311 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good matchup. Well, quickly, here's some 312 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: sponsored business. Select Cousin Subs locations are now offering delivery. 313 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: Whether you're ordering catering or your favorite sub, they're delivering 314 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: right to you when you order online at Cousin Subs 315 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Cousin Subs we believe in better. Okay, I 316 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: said we would get to the Pro Football Hall of 317 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: Fame news. So that is where we are going to 318 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: turn the Hall of Fame's centennial slate, this special class 319 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: that is being inducted as part of the NFL's one season. 320 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: There were several former Packers that were in the finalist stage, 321 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: the contenders for um this honor. The only one who 322 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: has been elected now to the Hall of Fame from 323 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: that group is defensive back Bobby Dylan, uh LaVey Wegg 324 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: cecil isbel Verne Llewellyn, and former head coach Mike Holmgren, 325 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,119 Speaker 1: who were all strong candidates did not make the cut. Unfortunately, 326 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: we'll get to a little bit of that later. But 327 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: I know that this special blue Ribbon panel Centennial Committee 328 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: that the Hall of Fame put together to handle this 329 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: process to elect this special class. Ron Wolfe was on it, 330 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: and I know Ron Wolfe is a very strong advocate 331 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: for Bobby Dillon. He'd been on record saying that he thought, 332 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: as far as any former Packers who were deserving of 333 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, but we're not in that he 334 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: thought Bobby Dylan had was the biggest oversight. So I'm 335 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: sure that Ron Wolfe had a big part in Bobby 336 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: Dylan getting getting in here. And for those who are wondering, well, 337 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: who exactly is Bobby Dylon. You might think the Packers 338 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: all time leader in interceptions as someone like her Batterlee 339 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: or Charles Woodson, It's Bobby Dylon. He intercepted fifty two 340 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: passes during his time with the Packers. That is still 341 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: the franchise all time record, and um unfortunately for him, 342 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: it's a posthumous honor. But congratulations to to his family 343 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: and his descendants who will will have something to celebrate 344 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: this year. It is quite an honor. However it happens 345 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: to go into Canton. I am extremely happy for them 346 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: and I hope they can take some pride in this honor. 347 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: And obviously he did pass away in August at eighty nine, 348 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: years old, and our sympathies and condolences go out to 349 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: them for that. But it is a tremendous honor. And 350 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: as you said, Ron Wolf has been a huge advocate 351 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: for him for a number of years. I know there's 352 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: a number of Packer players that he kind of took 353 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: a liking to, just with him being the historian of 354 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: this game that that he is. Yeah, the thing I 355 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: love about Bobby Dylan's story is one you have to understand. 356 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: If Bobby Dylan would have been eight years younger and 357 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: been there during the Lombardi years, this guy would have 358 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: been probably a first ballot Hall of Fame. He really 359 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: would have been. Can you imagine. Can you imagine Bobby Dylan, 360 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: Herb Adderley, and Willie would all in the same secondary 361 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: as you say, if it was the era had just 362 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: shifted maybe a little bit. And this is the other 363 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: thing that's great about forties and fifties. I felt like 364 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: two of the strongest candidates, I'll be honest with you, 365 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: the gentleman from the twenties. I don't know much about them, 366 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: but I know a lot about Cecil Hasabell, and I 367 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: know a lot about Bobby Dylan. And the thing is 368 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: they both cut their career short. Uh, Dylan, and for 369 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: the same reason. Football was different in the forties and fifties. 370 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: Guys wanted to make money. You didn't make money by 371 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: playing football. If you were married and had a family. 372 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: You got to explain that to your wife, why you're 373 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: doing this when there's more money to be made. And 374 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: I think, what was it plastics or whatever. Dylan eventually 375 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: got into and and cecil Isabel ended up quitting after 376 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: the retiring whatever you wanna call it, after five years 377 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: and got into to being a head coach. And the 378 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: thing that's great about Dylan though, is he played for 379 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: six head coaches in eight years. Those were lean years 380 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers. He had fifty two interceptions 381 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: in eight seasons, the second most in the NFL at 382 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: that time. And the guy, the gentleman that was in 383 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: front of him, you know, played four more years and 384 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: and everything else. Uh. It was an incredible run that 385 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: he got on. And the fact that he was blind 386 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: in one eye, I mean he only had one eye 387 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: he lost. Yeah, remarkable physical attributes that he had and 388 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: how he played the game with that limitation with regards 389 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: to his vision, Yeah, and still being able to to 390 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: lead the NFL all those years, have so many All pros, 391 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: so many Pro Bowlers, And the other thing I love 392 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: too about it is he's basically the one guy that 393 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: kind of said no to Vince Lombardi. Lombardi comes in 394 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: in fifty nine. He basically had already that being dealing, 395 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: had basically made up his mind he was going to retire. 396 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: Lombardi sees this film of him, identifies that this is 397 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: one of our best players, if not the best player 398 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: that I'm inheriting here. We gotta find a way to 399 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: get him to play. And there's just a lot of 400 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, kind of pulling and stretching him, and you know, 401 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: there was fines that were like potentially thrown out for 402 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: him not taking part in training camp, and the guy 403 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 1: was just kind of beyond it. Lombardi eventually does convince 404 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: him to come. I think there were some injuries that year, 405 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: the season didn't go entirely core to plan, but he 406 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: did get the one season with Lombardi, which also resulted 407 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: in his only winning season as a Green May Packer. Yeah, 408 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: that's that's certainly true. I know you you've always been 409 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: a big advocate for Cecil Isabel and unfortunately things didn't 410 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: go his way. Our team historian Cliff Crystal has written 411 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: a lot on our website packers dot Com history section 412 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: if you want to go check some of that out 413 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: with regard to Verne Llewellyn. Um because back in back 414 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: in his day, Llewellyn was an all around player and 415 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: he was also a punter, and field position was a 416 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: huge part of the way the game was played back 417 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: in the day, and and yeah, Llewellen was a huge 418 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: weapon in that respect. And so I know Cliff Crystal 419 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: has written a lot about how he feels Verne Llewellen 420 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: has been overlooked for for too long as far as 421 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is concerned. I admit I don't 422 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: know a lot about Labby Dilweg other than that crazy 423 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: reporter in Dallas who tried to ask Aaron Rodgers about it. 424 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: But uh, but that aside the other one. The other 425 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: one to talk about two is that unfortunately Mike Holmgren 426 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: did not make the cut. This uh special centennial slate 427 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: as they're calling it, with this Hall of Fame class 428 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: was to include two coaches, and the two who made 429 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: the cut who got in our Jimmy Johnson and Bill 430 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: Coward those who were watching the playoff games over the weekend, 431 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: both of those guys in the studio shows, but on 432 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: CBS and Fox, they were informed as a surprise, essentially 433 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: on live television, that they had made the Pro Football 434 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. So congratulations them in neat moments. I 435 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: do feel bad for Mike Holmgren though, and I have 436 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: no problem with Jimmy Johnson and Bill Coward getting in. 437 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson not only as a coach, but he was 438 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: also a big part of personnel wise, of building that 439 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: Dallas dynasty of the early nineties. The problem, the only 440 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: problem that I have really it kind of goes back 441 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: to my same remember the argument we were having about 442 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: uh when Steve Atwater as a safety has been a 443 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: finalist and until this year, Leroy Butler had not been 444 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: a finalist, And it felt like just because of the 445 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl thirty two result that the Broncos beat the 446 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: Packers and Atwater has two Super Bowl rings and Butler 447 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: only has one, that that's been some defining characteristic in 448 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: terms of the process. Well, if the Seattle Seahawks wins 449 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty, is Mike Holmgren in and Bill Kawer 450 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: not And and to me, that's unfortunate. It feels it 451 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: feels like one It feels like one game is what 452 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: is making these decisions. And and I just I don't 453 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: like that. It should be it should be more about 454 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: the entire body of work. And and uh, I feel 455 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: I feel bad for Homegren. He led he got to 456 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl three times with two different teams. Unfortunately 457 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: he only won one of them. And I think that's 458 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: what's keeping him out of the Hall of Fame. Yeah, 459 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: and and I want to first off point out congratulations 460 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: with Jimmy Johnson and Bill Kawer. I personally feel like 461 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 1: the NFL, with with the adjustment that the Pro Football 462 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame has made without having contributors, I'm starting 463 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: to become more of an advocate for just having a 464 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: head coach make it every year. I just feel like 465 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: they're for as much of people feel like there was 466 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: a over you know, so many seniors and contributors that 467 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: are not being allowed to get in. I feel like 468 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: there's really a log jam at coaches too. All that 469 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: being said, I had one shoe in for this. It 470 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: was Don Corrielle. Yep. I was. I was totally with you, 471 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: and that's where I was going to go. So well. 472 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: I thought Corey Yell deserved, has deserved for a long 473 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: time to get in and unfortunately he's still not. I've 474 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: I've always said I it's it's a mantra in a 475 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: maxim that Pete Doherty developed when I was at the Press. 476 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: Because that I've always stuck with it. It's have you 477 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: did you change the game of football? Yeah, Don Coriel, 478 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: he was a game changer for the game of football. Yeah, 479 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: and I know you didn't. I know you you didn't 480 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: watch those core Yell offenses. I'm old enough to have 481 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: said some highlights, Yeah, but I used to. I I 482 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: was actually as a young kid, I was a big 483 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: fan of those late afternoon Chargers games that you know 484 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: that that we're out on the West Coast because watching 485 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: what Dan Fouts was doing with Charlie Joyner and West 486 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: Chandler and John Jefferson and Kellen Winslow and Chuck Munsey 487 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: in the backfield. I mean, what those offenses were doing. 488 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: Nobody else was doing that at that time. And that's 489 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: what you say, like, did you change the game, Don 490 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: Coorey Yell and that that air raid type of you know, 491 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: before the current air raid. His type of air raid 492 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: passing attack was revolutionary at the time, and it really did. 493 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: It did change the game. It made the game a 494 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: lot more exciting. And uh, and I think it's unfortunate 495 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: that he got this far in this process with this 496 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: centennial slate thing, and then he's still he still is 497 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: not considering how close he's gotten in just the normal yes, 498 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: and yeah, because he's had he's had other opportunities, but 499 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: it has never fallen his way. So so that was 500 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: my shoe. And I had Jimmy Johnson and Mike Homebrand 501 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: as the number two. Yeah, I felt like those are 502 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: the two other ones that were compete. That's where that's 503 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: where my mind was as well. Johnson for everything you 504 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: just said, and Homegrown from the standpoint of you have 505 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: to understand this organization where it had been, at the 506 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: moves that he made not only just with this roster 507 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: in getting the most out of Brett far but his 508 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: coaching staff and what he had built in Green Bay. 509 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: And then honestly, going to you talk about Super Bowl 510 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: thirty two, he goes to Seattle and makes another Super 511 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: Bowl there if he wins. That's that's what I mean. 512 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: Like Super Bowl forty was Homegrown against Cower, and and 513 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: that was Cowers Super Bowl Championship with the Steelers, and 514 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: hats off to him. Homegrown doesn't win that one. And 515 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: yet here we are in this Hall of Fame decision 516 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: and Cowers in and and I think, honestly, you win 517 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: thirty two or forty. I think either way, homegrons in there. 518 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: So this is the problem I think that this Cower 519 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: situation creates. And again that I congratulate him on this honor, 520 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: but it does open sort of the floodgates here. I 521 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of resumes that need to be considered, 522 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: including the coach that came after him now and Mike Tomlin. 523 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: There's a certain train of thought out there that Mike 524 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: Tomlin's Hall of Fame candidacy is probably going to be 525 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: better than what Bill Cowards even was. And I hope 526 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: the voters remember at here whenever that that day comes. Yeah, 527 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: I agree, Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, there's a lot of 528 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: coaches now that you're gonna need to really consider here. 529 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: I think because of the decision to put Bill Coward in. Yeah, 530 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: I think so, I think, and I think that is 531 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: something that that's going to be discussed now in the 532 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: years moving forward, So we will see. But we've gone 533 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: a little bit over time, so we're going to call 534 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be 535 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage of the team, 536 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: everything going on here on NFC Championship Week on Packers 537 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: dot com. 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