WEBVTT - Andrea | Featured on ABC's Betrayal: Secrets and Lies 

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, it's Andrea and we are re releasing some of

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<v Speaker 1>our past Weekly episodes and there's a good reason why.

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<v Speaker 1>For the last year, I have been working with ABC

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<v Speaker 1>on turning some of your favorite episodes of Betrayal Weekly

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<v Speaker 1>into a TV show. The show is called Betrayal, Secrets

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<v Speaker 1>and Lies, and it airs every Sunday at ten pm

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<v Speaker 1>on ABC. Some betrayals don't just break your heart, they

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<v Speaker 1>change your entire life overnight. Andrea thought she knew her husband, Sean.

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<v Speaker 1>She trusted him, built a life with him, a family,

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<v Speaker 1>a future that felt secure, and then came the confession.

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<v Speaker 1>What followed wasn't just emotional fallout. It was legal, it

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<v Speaker 1>was public, and it was completely out of her control.

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<v Speaker 1>The life she thought she was living in an instant

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<v Speaker 1>was gone, replaced by something she never chose. Andrea's story

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<v Speaker 1>is one that really stays with you because it forces

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<v Speaker 1>you to ask a difficult question. How much responsibility do

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<v Speaker 1>you carry for something you didn't even know was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something we don't talk about enough, how often

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<v Speaker 1>women are held accountable for the actions of men in

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<v Speaker 1>their lives, even when they are completely in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>It's complicated, it's frustrating, and it's incredibly important. So please

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<v Speaker 1>check out Betrayal Secrets and Lies on ABC and Hulu.

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<v Speaker 1>See Andrea and where her story takes place. Enjoy the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty soon up over the hill, I saw a caravan

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<v Speaker 2>of dark vehicles with dark denned windows. They're all in

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<v Speaker 2>FBI or US Marshals jackets. They've got their sunglasses, they've

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<v Speaker 2>got their weapons, and they come to my house. They

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<v Speaker 2>rang the doorbell. I let them in.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 1>the people we trust the most and the dece options

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<v Speaker 1>that change everything. Andrea Merriman came from money, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money.

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<v Speaker 2>As a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Her family had a huge house, a vacation home in Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 1>and even a private plane.

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<v Speaker 2>We flew everywhere. We didn't do road trips. It was

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<v Speaker 2>so my family to pop in the plane at midnight

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<v Speaker 2>and fly to Arizona for the weekend to enjoy the sun,

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<v Speaker 2>and then be back when school started on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you met Andrea, you wouldn't know that's how

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<v Speaker 1>she grew up. She's not flashy, She's hard working and honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Her parents raised her that way.

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<v Speaker 2>We had jobs around the house. We didn't get allowance

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<v Speaker 2>for it, or if we did, it was a dollar

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<v Speaker 2>a week, because my parents wanted to teach us responsibility

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<v Speaker 2>and accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>Her family belonged to the Church of Jesus Christ of

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<v Speaker 1>Latter day Saints. Some people call it the Mormon Church,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not the name she uses.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a name given to church members who are not

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<v Speaker 2>of our faith. It's just a mouthful to say the

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<v Speaker 2>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saith.

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<v Speaker 1>From a young age, Andrea took her faith very seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're a child, they give you a ring and

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<v Speaker 2>it says ctr on it. That stands for choose the right.

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<v Speaker 2>So part of the culture was to be obedient to

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<v Speaker 2>good principles, doing well in whatever I attempted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And in her religious community, she felt empowered as a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>The women around her were ambitious and well educated. Many

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<v Speaker 1>of them had both families and careers.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom had a master's degree, and I remember going

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<v Speaker 2>to my dad asking for help with homework. My dad

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<v Speaker 2>would say, I can totally help you, but who really

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<v Speaker 2>could help you. The person who's the smartest in our

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<v Speaker 2>family is your mother. So I was raised that women

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<v Speaker 2>could do and be anything.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a straight a student, a great athlete. She

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<v Speaker 1>played three instruments and excelled at piano.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything I did, I did to the best of my ability.

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<v Speaker 1>When she got older, she took that determination to Bringham

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<v Speaker 1>Young University, where she immediately got to work on building

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<v Speaker 1>her future.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad wanted me to be a lawyer, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I went to school thinking I would do.

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<v Speaker 1>Along the way, she found a dream of her own.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted to start a career in advertising and public relations,

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<v Speaker 1>and her work ethic extended outside the classroom. She got

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<v Speaker 1>a job in her apartment complex. That's how she met Sean.

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<v Speaker 2>He came into the office to pay his rent and

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<v Speaker 2>I processed that for him.

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<v Speaker 1>She would see him around the building, but they'd never

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<v Speaker 1>really talked before.

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<v Speaker 2>My roommates in my apartment were good friends with the

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<v Speaker 2>guys and his apartment people thought highly of him and

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<v Speaker 2>his roommates, and they did fun things and seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>be good people.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon after they met in the office, Sean asked her out,

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<v Speaker 1>and right away he impressed her. He knew she liked music,

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<v Speaker 1>so for their first date, he took her to the symphony.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, they started going out together every weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not do the typical cheap, low budget, crazy

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<v Speaker 2>college dates. He took me to the best restaurants, two concerts,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he'd take you out into his BMW. He

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<v Speaker 2>was always a very engaging, outgoing, charming person.

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<v Speaker 1>On one date, she wore a pearl necklace. Sean complimented

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<v Speaker 1>her on it, and she told him it was borrowed

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<v Speaker 1>from a friend. So a few days later, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Just showed up at my door unexpectedly with a jewelry box.

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<v Speaker 2>I opened it up and it was a pearl necklace,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, any woman as beautiful as you should

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<v Speaker 2>not have to borrow pearls. I mean, that was what

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<v Speaker 2>it was like to date Sean Merriman. I remember thinking, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>all the other boys I've dated, if they tried to

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<v Speaker 2>do these grand gestures or date this way, it would

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<v Speaker 2>seem really cheesy and corny. But it works for Sean,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just like in the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though he had expensive taste, Sean didn't come from money.

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<v Speaker 2>His dad was a construction worker. They had moved all

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<v Speaker 2>around the country during his childhood, eleven times in seven

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<v Speaker 2>or eight years. There was a lot of alcoholism, divorce,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was one of the first members of his

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<v Speaker 2>family to go to college.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting into college wasn't easy for Sean. He didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the grades, but he made up for it with his

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<v Speaker 1>trademark charm.

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<v Speaker 2>He started sending flowers to the woman in charge of admissions,

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually he got admitted.

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<v Speaker 1>He was proud of this story, and he always had

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<v Speaker 1>fabulous stories to entertain people with. He was interested in

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<v Speaker 1>things most college kids weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>He was into photography, he was into cars, he was

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<v Speaker 2>into building things.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, Sean didn't let his interests take over their relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>We did everything that I loved. He knew that I

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<v Speaker 2>loved the beach. He knew that I loved eighties music,

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<v Speaker 2>he knew that I loved travel, and I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>I was finding someone who believed the way I did

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<v Speaker 2>on everything.

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<v Speaker 1>After a few months of dating, the two took a

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<v Speaker 1>trip to California, and there on the beach, he got

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<v Speaker 1>down on one knee.

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<v Speaker 2>Going through my head mostly was wait, I'm only twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm too young to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrea was still in school. She'd always planned to graduate,

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<v Speaker 1>start a career, and then get married, but saying yes

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<v Speaker 1>to Sean just made sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I thought he was the one,

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<v Speaker 2>but I thought that he would be a great friend,

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<v Speaker 2>great partner, great companion, great provider, great father, And am

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<v Speaker 2>I going to find somebody just like him again if

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<v Speaker 2>I pass this by. I saw enough of those good

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<v Speaker 2>qualities and the things that I wanted as part of

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<v Speaker 2>my future. So when he proposed, I said yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So they got married and graduated college in that order.

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<v Speaker 2>We were on a good course together, were equally yoked

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<v Speaker 2>as a couple to move forward and create the life

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<v Speaker 2>of our dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean had a vision of moving to DC. He even

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed with the CIA. He also considered getting an MBA

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<v Speaker 1>and an Ivy League school, but ultimately they decided to

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<v Speaker 1>plant roots in our home state of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>We chose to move to Denver for my career. I

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<v Speaker 2>got a job working for a government agency doing public

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<v Speaker 2>relations for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean came to love Denver and he found a great

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<v Speaker 1>job at an investment firm.

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<v Speaker 2>He had immediate success, so then he actually started being

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<v Speaker 2>a stockbroker that fall.

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<v Speaker 1>When it came to investing, Sean had a minus touch,

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Will tell you from September to December that quarter he

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<v Speaker 2>made fifty thousand dollars, and that was in nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of money. Especially right out of college,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean was bringing home two hundred k a year, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was the nineties. In today's money, that's the equivalent

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<v Speaker 1>of four hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year. And

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<v Speaker 1>the money just kept coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Other firms would reach out to him and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>come and work for us. We'll give you a signing bonus,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he would take a fifty sixty seventy eighty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars signing bonus and go work for a different firm.

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<v Speaker 1>He hopped from firm to firm for a few years,

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<v Speaker 1>and then soon after they had their first child in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three, Sean came to Andrea with a business idea.

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<v Speaker 2>He came home from work and told me that he

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<v Speaker 2>had some very wealthy, blue blood old money clients in

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas City that had been so impressed with the money

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<v Speaker 2>management he had done for them that they had asked

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<v Speaker 2>him to step back from his career as a stockbroker

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<v Speaker 2>and managed their money privately for them.

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<v Speaker 1>She supported him one hundred percent, so he made the

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<v Speaker 1>leap and launched what became Market Street Advisors. It started

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<v Speaker 1>with those Kansas City clients, but pretty soon he was

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<v Speaker 1>investing for family, friends and neighbors too. And even in

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<v Speaker 1>the madness of starting his own firm and finding new clients,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean made it a point to spend time with Andrea

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of every day.

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<v Speaker 2>He came home at night, had dinner with me, had

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<v Speaker 2>great stories about trades that he'd made that day. He

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<v Speaker 2>had no shortage of stories. He could tell, conversations, he

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<v Speaker 2>could share ideas that he had.

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<v Speaker 1>Life was good for the Merryman's. Sean's investment firm was

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<v Speaker 1>taking off, and the two of them were living comfortably,

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<v Speaker 1>more than comfortably. Even the house got bigger, cars got nicer,

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<v Speaker 1>and for Andrea there was only one thing missing more kids.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things we talked about before we got

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<v Speaker 2>married was that I wanted four to six children. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Oh, that's great, That's what I've always wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>They had another child, a baby girl, and Andrea was

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<v Speaker 1>the happiest she'd ever been. When Sean got home after

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<v Speaker 1>a long day at work, he didn't have the bandwidth

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<v Speaker 1>to help with the babies.

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<v Speaker 2>He was fine to play with the baby when he

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<v Speaker 2>was home, et cetera, that he was not a hands

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<v Speaker 2>on let me help bathe the baby, let me change diapers.

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<v Speaker 1>And when she asked him about having a third kid,

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<v Speaker 1>he was hesitant. She assured him she'd take on the

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<v Speaker 1>responsibilities that he couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I did everything, handled everything for the baby

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<v Speaker 2>so that it wouldn't impact his life too much. And

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<v Speaker 2>I could have another child. And I continued to do

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<v Speaker 2>everything and manage the kids so that it didn't impact

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<v Speaker 2>his life. By the time we had our fourth kid,

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<v Speaker 2>I could count the number of dirty diapers on one

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<v Speaker 2>hand that he had changed. It really became he was busy,

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<v Speaker 2>he was working on his career, and I was the

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<v Speaker 2>partner in the relationship who was focused on home and family.

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<v Speaker 1>All in all, they had four kids together. She was

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<v Speaker 1>the homemaker, he was the provider, and she provided very well.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the life she always wanted. Over time, Sean

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<v Speaker 1>started to be more open about the life he wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>I found out he didn't like dancing, he didn't like beaches.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go on a trip to California. No, I hate

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<v Speaker 2>the beach. What yeah, I hate the feel of sand

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<v Speaker 2>between my toes. I'm not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>He started developing expensive new hobbies, ones that required him

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<v Speaker 1>to travel.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a big African safari guy. He would go

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<v Speaker 2>to Cameroon, in Tanzania and South Africa and Zimbabwe, all

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<v Speaker 2>over the world to hunt and go on safaris for animals,

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<v Speaker 2>and coincidentally, very wealthy people are engaged in those hobbies.

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<v Speaker 2>He sold it as well, I'm actually doing this for work,

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<v Speaker 2>to get more clients to build my business.

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<v Speaker 1>These trips could be dangerous. One time, when he returned

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<v Speaker 1>from a safari in Ethiopia, Sean was acting strange.

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<v Speaker 2>He was keeping his distance and I said why, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said, I have got to go to the doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>He was worried he could have contracted something. He told

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<v Speaker 1>Andrea a wild story.

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<v Speaker 2>We were climbing a mountain and one of the people

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<v Speaker 2>and the party flipped and he was going to fall

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<v Speaker 2>off a cliff, and so I reached down and I

0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.840
<v Speaker 2>grabbed him and saved his life. But he and I

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<v Speaker 2>both got cut up in the process, and I need

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<v Speaker 2>to go and get tested to make sure I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Thankfully, Sean was negative, and even though the story was

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<v Speaker 1>far fetched, Andrea believed him.

0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.480
<v Speaker 2>He had so many stories about saving people's lives or

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<v Speaker 2>dramatic things. I used to tell him, if I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>live with you and see that your life is true,

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<v Speaker 2>I would never believe your life. What I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>was most of those stories were probably lies.

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<v Speaker 1>As Andrea and Sean built a family together, Sean started

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<v Speaker 1>to change. He was around less and less working at

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<v Speaker 1>his investment firm, and when he wasn't working, he was

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<v Speaker 1>taking extravagant hunting trips on his own. It became Sean's world,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes that bothered her, but she was committed to

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<v Speaker 1>him no matter what.

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<v Speaker 2>For a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of

0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Latter day Saints, you marry forever, and you make your choice,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you love your choice and you figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how to make up work. I was taught that pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much the only reason you had ever divorced, as if

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of physical abuse or something beyond that,

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<v Speaker 2>you marry forever.

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<v Speaker 1>His behavior was a challenge, but not marriage ending.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't anything that I would have divorced over. It

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<v Speaker 2>was more, oh, I guess I'll make this work.

0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.840
<v Speaker 1>And she really did want to make it work. There

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<v Speaker 1>was still so much good in what they had together.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like we were very connected. We went on

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<v Speaker 2>dates every weekend together. He would call me when he

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<v Speaker 2>had downtimes at work, once every morning and once or

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<v Speaker 2>twice in the afternoon. He'd just called me to check in,

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<v Speaker 2>see what I was doing, see how I was.

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<v Speaker 1>And when he did have the time, she could see

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<v Speaker 1>he was really trying. Especially as the kids got older,

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<v Speaker 1>he became more involved. He led fifty mile hikes for

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<v Speaker 1>their son's boy Scout troop. He drove their daughter around

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<v Speaker 1>on errands, He joked with them, talk with them, and

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<v Speaker 1>above all, he made sure his kids had everything they

0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:49.240
<v Speaker 1>could ask for, all the things he didn't have growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>My son played baseball and they won the championship of

0:17:55.560 --> 0:18:00.160
<v Speaker 2>their league. So he bought a batting cage and pitch

0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.919
<v Speaker 2>machine that he put in our backyard. We put in

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<v Speaker 2>a pool, We put in a sport court so that

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<v Speaker 2>our kids would have a great fun place to bring

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<v Speaker 2>their friends to.

0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Sean wanted their kids to be cultured. He took them

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<v Speaker 1>to museums around the world, and he even started their

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<v Speaker 1>own private art collection.

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<v Speaker 2>We ended up with a collection of rem brands that

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<v Speaker 2>was worth quite a bit of money, and sculptures by

0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Frederick Hart, all kinds of things like that, to make

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<v Speaker 2>things beautiful and to help educate our children.

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<v Speaker 1>The batting cages, the private courts, the Rembrandts. Sure it

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot, but they could afford it. In Sean's hands,

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<v Speaker 1>Andrea had watched their money multiply.

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<v Speaker 2>I had watched our account slowly grow up to a million,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I watched our account slowly grow to three million,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I watched my statement grow to total about

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<v Speaker 2>ten million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early two thousands, that was closer to eighteen million.

0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Andrea also invested her own inheritance with Sean's firm, everything

0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.640
<v Speaker 1>she had saved and everything she got from her parents.

0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.359
<v Speaker 2>I had my own money. My parents had passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, unlike all of his investment clients, I

0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.320
<v Speaker 2>was getting, you know, monthly financial statements.

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Still, she wanted to make sure that they were being

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<v Speaker 1>smart with their spending.

0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:39.479
<v Speaker 2>I am very conservative financially, so my first goal was

0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I want our home paid off. And so I remember

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was my fortieth birthday. He gave me

0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.840
<v Speaker 2>the deed to our house, and our house was paid.

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<v Speaker 1>Off, and Sean kept making the house better and better.

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<v Speaker 2>He ended up building a building behind our home that

0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.040
<v Speaker 2>he called his shop. It was actually bigger than our home.

0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.919
<v Speaker 2>His work office was in the top level and then

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom was just cars and trophies. He had an

0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Aston Martin, he had several Porsches, a Ferrari, Mercedes, Sedans, BMW's,

0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:15.520
<v Speaker 2>you name it.

0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Sean spent pretty much all his time in his shop,

0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 1>working on business or taking care of his cars.

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.600
<v Speaker 2>He would go out to his office from probably seven

0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:30.480
<v Speaker 2>am to five pm, come in, have dinner, and then

0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.080
<v Speaker 2>he'd be like, Oh, I'm going to go out to

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<v Speaker 2>my shop and do this, and then he'd come in

0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:35.640
<v Speaker 2>at ten at night.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrea knew all that hard work was funding their lifestyle,

0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.440
<v Speaker 1>but she missed him. She wanted him around more.

0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.639
<v Speaker 2>After seventeen or so years of marriage, I've said, we

0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.960
<v Speaker 2>don't need more money. We have plenty for our needs

0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:55.399
<v Speaker 2>and our wants and things we've never dreamed of, but

0:20:55.480 --> 0:21:00.560
<v Speaker 2>we need you, and he just said I can't. I've

0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:01.800
<v Speaker 2>got to build my business.

0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:08.080
<v Speaker 1>He'd spend twenty years prioritizing his work above everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't know how to shift gears. Maybe he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to, So Andrea made peace with the fact that

0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.120
<v Speaker 1>her husband would be around when he could be.

0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of raised. If you look for the

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<v Speaker 2>good in others, you will find it. If you're looking

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<v Speaker 2>for bad things and looking to tear people down and

0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:31.119
<v Speaker 2>to hate them, you'll find reasons for that too. He

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<v Speaker 2>was gone a lot of the time, but when he

0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.360
<v Speaker 2>was home, he would be there for dinner and do

0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.000
<v Speaker 2>other things with us. Now, I don't think any life

0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:46.119
<v Speaker 2>is completely perfect, but it was a good life.

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.960
<v Speaker 1>March seventeenth, two thousand and nine, was a really good day.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Saint Patti's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a little irish in the Merriman's side of

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<v Speaker 2>the family, so I always tried to make it a

0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:04.000
<v Speaker 2>fun day. I had gold coins and I made green

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:08.760
<v Speaker 2>pancakes and green milk for breakfast. As I sent my

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<v Speaker 2>kids off to school, I took fun photos of them

0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:17.560
<v Speaker 2>dressed in their Saint Patrick's Day attire. What I didn't

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:22.600
<v Speaker 2>know at the time was those were the last merrim

0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:31.120
<v Speaker 2>And family photos that I would ever take. The next day,

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<v Speaker 2>March eighteenth, unexpectedly, I was headed out on some errands.

0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.679
<v Speaker 2>I dropped my youngest child off at daycare to have

0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 2>a babysitter while I quickly got some things done, and

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<v Speaker 2>Sean called me as I was driving down the highway

0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, what are you doing? And I said,

0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:54.560
<v Speaker 2>why do you need something? He said, well, actually, I

0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.080
<v Speaker 2>was hoping to spend some time with you this morning.

0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 2>And I said, oh, well, I can turn and I'll

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.359
<v Speaker 2>come and get you and you can do my errands

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:07.040
<v Speaker 2>with me. And he said, no, I need you to

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<v Speaker 2>come home.

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<v Speaker 1>So she turned the car around and went back to

0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.200
<v Speaker 1>the house. He was waiting for her in the kitchen.

0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 2>And he said, I've been running Market Street Advisors for

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<v Speaker 2>the past sixteen years, but I need you to know

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:31.119
<v Speaker 2>that every day when I got up and left and

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:34.399
<v Speaker 2>went to work and was gone all day, I was

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 2>actually running a Ponzi scheme.

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Andrea thought that her husband John had dedicated his career

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:58.080
<v Speaker 1>to running his own investment firm, but then Sean confessed

0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 1>that it was all a lie. Life of luxury was

0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:05.640
<v Speaker 1>funded on stolen money. For the past sixteen years. He

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>had been running a Ponzi scheme.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even know what a Ponzi scheme was. I

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:13.800
<v Speaker 2>had heard a Bernie made off. I didn't pay too

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.880
<v Speaker 2>much attention to those types of things. I knew he'd

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 2>done something wrong, but that's pretty much all I knew

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean explained that when he first started his firm was legitimate,

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 1>but in his first year one of his investments went

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:28.160
<v Speaker 1>south and he panicked.

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 2>So he omitted the five thousand dollars loss from his statement,

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure he thought that he could make that

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 2>up with another trade, and then he never did.

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 1>So he kept fudging the books, selling people on his

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.880
<v Speaker 1>big wins, and using money from new investors to pay

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:50.440
<v Speaker 1>old ones. There were no million dollar trades or miracle investments.

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 1>The conversations he told her about and all the financial

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:58.240
<v Speaker 1>documents she'd seen were fake. He was a total fraud.

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 1>His clients had lost millions of dollars. Some of them

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 1>lost everything they had. Not only did he lose other

0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 1>people's money. All of their own money was gone, to

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the money she'd inherited from her parents and their kids'

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.199
<v Speaker 1>college funds, it was gone.

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Then he said, yesterday, I, in the company of my attorney,

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 2>turned myself into the US Marshals, to representatives of the

0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 2>federal government, and I will be going to prison. And

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 2>when he said the word prison, I about died. My

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 2>mind was just swirling. When he said that, I thought

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 2>this cannot be real.

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.119
<v Speaker 1>She thought back to all the Outlandis stories he told

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 1>over the years, like the one about saving someone's life

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:58.879
<v Speaker 1>on a safari. Was any of it real? As the

0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>reality set in, she tried to cling to anything she could.

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to find the positive, like I'd been

0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:09.720
<v Speaker 2>raised to do. And I said, at least the house

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 2>is paid off. And he said, no, you don't understand.

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 2>The house is gone, the cars are gone, everything's gone.

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:26.959
<v Speaker 2>I just kind of felt like I was witnessing the apocalypse.

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I remember apologizing, saying, I'm so sorry, but I have

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:34.880
<v Speaker 2>to get out of here. And I got up and

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 2>I ran out, and I got in my car and

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 2>I took off up my driveway and started driving out

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 2>of my neighborhood. Uncontrollably, tears were just streaming out of

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 2>my eyes.

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Andrea pulled over just minutes after leaving her home. She

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 1>couldn't see much less drive, and as she sat there

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>alone in her car, the weight of it all finally

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>hit her.

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 2>I felt like everything had been destroyed. Everything was a

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 2>humiliation to me as well as a shock, as well

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 2>as deeply sad and devastating. My biggest wish and desire

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 2>would have been to just walk to the edge of

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.360
<v Speaker 2>the horizon and drop off the face of the earth.

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 2>But I couldn't because I had four kids relying on me.

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I was their only resource.

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>She had to keep going, so she made a plan.

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 2>When I went back to the house, I told him

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 2>that he was going to be the one to tell

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 2>the kids. So that night we gathered our family together.

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 2>He was in a chair in the corner of the room.

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I was on the couch across the room from him,

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 2>and he told the kids, I have done something wrong.

0:27:56.280 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 2>I've made a little mistake, and from across the side

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 2>of the room, I am just furious, shaking my head, going,

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 2>you've committed a crime. You've made huge mistakes over and

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 2>over every day, twenty four hours a day, three hundred

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>and sixty five days a year. That is not one

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>little mistake.

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Andrea was angry. The kids, they were terrified.

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:30.199
<v Speaker 2>I was standing there with four kids ages three to sixteen,

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>tears streaming down their face, looking at me for answers

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>and strength. Before I could even say anything, my little

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>third grader said, does this mean You're going to divorce Dad?

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>She knew in that moment that the answer was yes.

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't an easy answer, though.

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I was so humiliated, humiliated to be married to a criminal,

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 2>humiliated at what he'd done. I to know that I

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 2>would be getting divorced. I was raised that divorce is

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 2>not what you do. Knowing that I had been married

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 2>in a temple forever added a layer of difficulty, a

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>layer of guilt, a layer of regret.

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>But she was done. She couldn't be with a man

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 1>who had spen decades cheating so many others out of

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars. She would walk away, while making the

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>transition as easy as she could for her kids.

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 2>I felt like my kids had been in such shock

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>that they probably needed things to be as normal as

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 2>possible in whatever ways they could be. So I fed

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>them that night. Sean stayed in the home with us, and.

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>He continued to stay in the home and come to

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 1>family dinner, just as he had for the last twenty years.

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Even though Sean had turned himself in, the FED still

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>needed time to build a case against him, so they waited.

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I even remember cooking dinner for my kids, saying, would

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>you like to call your dad and let him know

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.959
<v Speaker 2>dinner's ready. I am appalled that I am doing this

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>for this man. Who's done this, But it was for

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 2>my kids. I was trying to be kind, set an

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>example of divorce and not changing who you are just

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 2>because you've been betrayed. You choose the right. You are kind,

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 2>you are good to people, no matter what.

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 1>The destruction of her life didn't happen all at once.

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>She watched it being taken apart, piece by piece. After

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks of this purgatory, she got a call

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 1>from the US Marshals. They set a date to come

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>to her house and seize the family assets.

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Pretty soon, up over the hill, I saw a caravan

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 2>of dark vehicles with dark dinned windows. They all pull

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>up in front of my house. Everybody starts getting out

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 2>of the cars. They're all in FBI or US Marshall's jackets.

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 2>They've got their sunglasses, they've got their weapons, and they

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 2>come to my house. I think the only difference is

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 2>I knew they were coming, and they didn't break my

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 2>door down. They rang the doorbell. I let them in.

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>The authorities took everything of value, Sean's computer, his cars,

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>his art collection, and most of what Andrea owned too.

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 2>I had the thought, you should hide some of your jewelry,

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 2>and I thought what, No, that would be stealing. No,

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>you don't know where you're going to live, how you're

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>going to keep your kids alive. You don't have a job,

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 2>your parents are dead. If you could just end up

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 2>with something, then you'd have something to sell to start

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 2>a life with. And I went back and forth in

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>my mind a couple of times, and then I thought, Nope,

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I am not going to abandon my integrity just be

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 2>because the person I'm married to has and I left it.

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.959
<v Speaker 2>I left it all in my jewelry box because I

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>am not compromising my ethics.

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>She watched all their belongings get carted away, and she

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the only one.

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.959
<v Speaker 2>Several of my neighbors at the house next door up

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 2>on the deck drinking, barbecuing, having a great time, rejoicing

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>in the downfall of my family and the asset. Seizer.

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Sean had scammed so many people, neighbors, friends, and family alike.

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>She couldn't blame anyone for wanting him to pay, and

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>yet people wanted her to pay too, even though she

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 1>had done nothing wrong. She had been married to the

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Mormon made off. As the media soon dubbed him. Even

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>neighbors and friends assumed that she must have known something.

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 2>One time I was out front with my three year old.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just playing, you know, around the trees or

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>the bushes, and I could hear kitchink kitchink, kitchenk and

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 2>I turn around. My neighbors is over the fence with

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>a lens photographing every move I make.

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 1>For the short time she had remaining in their house,

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 1>she was paranoid for the safety of her family, and

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>for good reason.

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 2>One of the victims, who was also a neighbor in

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>the neighborhood and who had lost probably all of his money,

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 2>came all the way up my steps to my front porch,

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 2>to my front door with his loaded gun, ready to

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 2>blow Sean Merriman away, and who knows who else before

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>he came to his senses, and he turned around and

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 2>went home without hurting anyone.

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Andrea wanted nothing more than to take her kids and

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 1>get out of that house, especially since Sean continued to

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>live there waiting to be taken to prison. It took

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>time ninety days for the divorce to be processed, but

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>then finally.

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 2>On July thirteenth, I drove to the courthouse with him

0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 2>to finalize the divorce. We came home. I packed my

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 2>car with my two dogs and my kids, and I

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:09.400
<v Speaker 2>moved that day. And I didn't say goodbye to anything.

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 2>I did not look back. I drove away, and I

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.399
<v Speaker 2>didn't look in the rearview mayor the whole way at

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>a Denver.

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>While Sean went away to prison, Andrea went to Utah. Thankfully,

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.720
<v Speaker 1>she was able to leave her old life behind without

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>her husband's debt hanging over her head.

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 2>I had to write my own divorce because I couldn't

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 2>afford an attorney. I made sure that I wrote that

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.399
<v Speaker 2>he was responsible for his debts and I was responsible

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 2>for mine. Now credit card companies don't apparently have to

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>abide by that, but I think they saw that I

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 2>was penniless, so they didn't actually come after me.

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 1>She and her kids moved in with her brother, and

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>a friend connected her with a job in marketing so

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>that she could rebuild. But she was starting from nothing

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 1>for the first time in her life. She was worried

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:03.239
<v Speaker 1>about having the money to eat.

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 2>For years. I would just have a knot in my

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:10.240
<v Speaker 2>stomach every time I drove to the grocery store, thinking,

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, I have to buy this food. But

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 2>it's so much. I don't have money. I mean, we

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 2>just had to adjust.

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Part of that adjustment meant facing her own self blame.

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I was ridden with guilt that I had enjoyed a

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 2>nice life at the expense of others. I remember Sean

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>said to me before we parted ways, well, at least

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 2>she got a lot of good trips out of it.

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 2>And I just looked at him and went, I hate

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>every trip I went on. I hate every photo, I

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 2>hate every memory. There was all kinds of guilt, Guilt

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 2>that I'd brought him into the lives of my friends

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and family that got shafted by him, Guilt that I

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 2>had chosen him to be the father of my children.

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>She turned to the ar for support and started meeting

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 1>regularly with a church leader.

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 2>And he said, how are you doing? And I said, honestly,

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I am trying to figure out how this happened. I've

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 2>tried to do everything right in my life. I've tried

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 2>to be a good wife, a good mother, a good citizen,

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>a good person. How did I get here? And he goes, well,

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 2>in all of that, you forgot one thing, the agency

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 2>of the other person, the other person's opportunity to choose

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 2>this is not on you. He did this. There's nothing

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 2>you could have done. What I had to do was

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.479
<v Speaker 2>recognize and forgive myself for the fact that I made

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the best decision I could with the facts I had

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:49.480
<v Speaker 2>at hand.

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>But she also knew that she wanted to forgive Sean.

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.240
<v Speaker 1>That was the only path forward.

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I had a couple of friends who'd gotten divorced and

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>who who had not gotten past it. They were very,

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 2>very hateful towards their former spouse, and I saw how

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 2>it was impacting their kids and destroying their family. And

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:14.240
<v Speaker 2>so the one thing I knew was we are going

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:19.279
<v Speaker 2>to forgive, not for him, but for us, so that

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.799
<v Speaker 2>our hatred doesn't destroy us.

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Sean was ordered to pay twenty million dollars to his victims.

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>On top of that, he was sentenced to twelve and

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>a half years in prison. During that time, Andrea was

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a single mom. She raised her kids with honesty, kindness,

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and forgiveness, just like her parents raised her.

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 2>And my kids have turned out to be everything I

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 2>could have hoped for. Hard working, educated, they all help others,

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 2>they all have skills, They're kind, good people and couldn't

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 2>ask for anything more.

0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Andrea's been able to rebuild her own life too.

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I can honestly say I am super happy today. I

0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:07.439
<v Speaker 2>am a homeowner, I have a great career that's been

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 2>so memorable. I've gotten to travel, I have done many

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 2>things that I've dreamed on. I've actually even remarried, if

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 2>you can believe it or not.

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 1>She ended up married to another man in finance.

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Someone who is everything I thought I was getting but

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 2>didn't get the first time, and more. He's even tall

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and handsome.

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 1>And here's the kicker. After they got married, her new

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>husband started a second career.

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 2>As a fraud investigator, busting Ponzi schemes.

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<v Speaker 1>We end all of our weekly episodes with the same question,

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 1>why did you choose to tell your story?

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Life can be good, That's what we're all here to

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 2>have and to be. I believe in being happy, So yeah,

0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe I chose to be optimistic more than I should have.

0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:03.880
<v Speaker 2>And I did smile when the smiles were totally fake,

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 2>And I remember having my heart so broken it literally

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 2>ached in my chest. But I've plotted one foot in

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:17.400
<v Speaker 2>front of the other for a decade when I wasn't

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 2>sure if it was making any difference. But when you

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 2>lift your eyes up and you see, you're on the

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 2>top of a mountain that's of view worth all the

0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 2>persevering for.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Betrayal.

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<v Speaker 3>Minute I did that, I had this deep shame flood

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 3>over me, like you've made a really grave error here.

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 3>You've dibulged something super private and you'll now never know

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 3>why this person's in a relationship with you, because is

0:39:52.200 --> 0:40:00.120
<v Speaker 3>it for the money or is it for you?

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