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Speaker 1: Garrett's back from your vacation that you had. Well, we

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Speaker 1: in third and three, third and four. That's just the

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Speaker 1: way the league works these days. Yeah, I mean, I agree,

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Speaker 1: but I just think that in general, if if if

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Speaker 1: teams are finding, if teams are neutralizing your pass us

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Speaker 1: by doing this quick, stright passing game, then you need

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Speaker 1: to find the CounterPunch, and I don't have to be

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Speaker 1: able to jam receivers a little bit more, disrupt the

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Speaker 1: timing of things, get your hands on some balls, get

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Speaker 1: to batted balls, get turnovers, which has been lacking for

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Speaker 1: the defense. Those things have to happen. Um, you want

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Speaker 1: to give out some midseason awards, let's do it, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's go you know positive here, all right, what would

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Speaker 1: you say m v P of the team right now?

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Speaker 1: If you want to break it up offense and defense? Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: start offense. Okay, thank you that made things that made

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Speaker 1: so much easier, right, Um, not a lot of you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, i'd probably say John Brown. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: tough because he's been, you know, three out of last

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Speaker 1: four games held to I think thirty eight or fewer

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Speaker 1: yards um. But he's been by far their most explosive

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Speaker 1: offensive player. UM, so I would have to go with him.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think he's brought a new element to

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Speaker 1: the offense, um, something that was desperately needed. Now, as

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Speaker 1: I just said, basically, I think what happened earlier in

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Speaker 1: the year sort of teams didn't really respect him the

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Speaker 1: way that he deserved to be respected, because he didn't have.

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Speaker 1: He was coming off a down season and people kind

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Speaker 1: of just overlooked him. Apparently they weren't listening to all

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Speaker 1: our hype that we were talking so early in the year.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't getting double coverage, and I think that's changed.

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Speaker 1: So now again you need to either find ways to

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Speaker 1: beat that double coverage and get those other guys. Get

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Speaker 1: those other guys, because other guys guy step up. All right,

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Speaker 1: defensive MVP, I would say Marlin Humphrey. I look at

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Speaker 1: him and I think he's established himself as the best

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Speaker 1: corner on this team. The defense really took a step back.

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Speaker 1: I think when he didn't play, um he is, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think the question we had coming into the season

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Speaker 1: was could he take the next step and be the true,

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Speaker 1: you know, proven starter. UM if he moves into a

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Speaker 1: starting role. And I think that he's done that. Now

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Speaker 1: he's gotta stay healthy. Missed two games right with the injury,

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Speaker 1: and so injury, yeah, bye injury. So I just look

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Speaker 1: at him and I think that he's he's proven himself.

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Speaker 1: People are throwing in his direction, they're not complete many passes.

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Speaker 1: He did a great job against Antonio Brown the first

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Speaker 1: time around, So I think that he has been proven

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Speaker 1: proven himself as the best defense player. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a good pick. I think Michael Pierce would be in

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Speaker 1: the running. He's done a pretty good job. Um, I

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Speaker 1: would probably put CJ in the running. I think he

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Speaker 1: had a tough game in Carolina, but he had a

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Speaker 1: great game the week before against New Orleans. Um, he

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Speaker 1: would be in the running. But he hasn't made a

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Speaker 1: lot of plays. It's tough for Michael Pierce is a

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Speaker 1: run stuffing guy primarily, you know, I think he's he's

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Speaker 1: played well. But what about Darius Dominating. I think Zdarius

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Speaker 1: would be in the equation as the sacks leader. I

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Speaker 1: think he's still beating Suggs and sacks um, but the

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Speaker 1: pass rush has disappeared recently. It's tough. You know who

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Speaker 1: who else would be a dark horse would be Tony Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: I think I think he's played pretty well. I Mean,

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Speaker 1: the thing is, like the Ravens just aren't making a

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Speaker 1: lot of plays on defense. They're just consistently pretty good,

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Speaker 1: Like like they're good and they're very good, but they're

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Speaker 1: just not making a lot of splash plays. You know,

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Speaker 1: Mosley hasn't made a lot of splash plays. Wettal hasn't

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Speaker 1: made your two leaders, haven't. Wetal doesn't have a pick.

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Speaker 1: Mosley doesn't have a pick, and I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: he has a sack either. Um, he might have one,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's kind of interesting. So I think Marlon

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Speaker 1: is a good pick. I would agree. I think he's

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Speaker 1: probably been the best player. What about Rookie of the year?

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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year is a tough one. I probably

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Speaker 1: leaned towards Mark Andrews because of production. He's played every game.

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Speaker 1: He's played every game, He's been productive, He's caught tough passes,

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Speaker 1: He's clearly established himself as a go to target that

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Speaker 1: can be trusted in key situations. So if you're going

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Speaker 1: off a production, I think it's got to be Mark Andrew's. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would probably say so. A lot is going to

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Speaker 1: be the term in the second half. Obviously, if Lamar

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Speaker 1: takes over um or starts a few games or a

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Speaker 1: couple of games or whatever it is, you know he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be in the running. Orlando Brown is probably gonna

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Speaker 1: end up. I I think he's probably gonna remain the

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Speaker 1: starter right tackle for the remainder of the season, and

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Speaker 1: he's playing at a very high level, so he will

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Speaker 1: be a contender. And I think that this offense, if

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Speaker 1: it goes to Lamar also will rely will lean more

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Speaker 1: on these tight ends. Like we talked about, they need

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Speaker 1: to get the tight ends going. These guys are ready.

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Speaker 1: I think Hayden Hurst is showing signs that he's going

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Speaker 1: to break out here at some point. Uh. And and

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Speaker 1: maybe if the Ravens go to Lamar that will be

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Speaker 1: the impetus. I do wonder it seemed like in the

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Speaker 1: preseason Hayden and Lamar seem to have a good connection.

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Speaker 1: They they in preseason games, Uh, they they had a

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Speaker 1: number of connections. Obviously, there's a touchdown pass that Hayden

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Speaker 1: Hurst cot was from Lamar, perfect strike. Like I wonder

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Speaker 1: if there's any truth to kind of the feeling that

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Speaker 1: they seem to have a better connection right now as

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Speaker 1: it stands than Joe and Hayden Hurst too. Possibly, And

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Speaker 1: so that would be kind of an interesting one. If

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Speaker 1: let's just say Joe camp play this week, if it's Lamar,

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Speaker 1: does that open the opportunity for Haydon Hurst. I'd be

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Speaker 1: curious to see. Yeah, I've thought about this when this

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Speaker 1: when debating which Ted Endo and to pick up a

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Speaker 1: fancy ah, who would you pick up Hayden or Mark

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Speaker 1: Andrews At this point, I call I still would say

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Speaker 1: that it's probably Mark Andrews based on production to this point.

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Speaker 1: And I don't I'm not thinking that the keys are

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Speaker 1: getting passed over to the mare, you know. I think

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Speaker 1: that like at this point, you know, we'll see how

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Speaker 1: the week plays out. If Joe doesn't practice it all

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Speaker 1: this week then made feel like, okay, it's probably gonna

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Speaker 1: be the more. But at this point, I don't think

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Speaker 1: Jona said, dude, doesn't I know, Yeah, I know it

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Speaker 1: is tough, but I'm just saying that, like I probably

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Speaker 1: lean towards Mark Andrews based on what he's done already. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: did you find that email? No email? No, no email,

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Speaker 1: look I did. There's not a good one, all right, fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well thanks, make sure you hit us up at the

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Speaker 1: lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net speaking to Mark Andre's.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna try to get him on the pot. Yeah

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Speaker 1: good dude. Yeah, I really like Mark. I like him

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Speaker 1: a lot. So that's our next target, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll be back with you next week hopefully with Mark

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening, and after a big after a big must, unneeded,

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Speaker 1: much needed,