1 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Ze and you're listening to Climbing 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: in Heels. The show is all about celebrating extraordinary superwomen 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: who will be sharing their most incredible journeys to the top, 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: all while staying glamorous. Today we're doing a full episode 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: of Ask Rachel Questions. Instead of interviewing a guest about 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: their climb to the top, I'm going to answer your 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: questions about anything and everything. Here to help is my 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: producer and confidante and everything, Mary Elizabeth. And I'm so 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: excited to open up and spill my secrets a little more. 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: So let's get started. 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, it is Mary Elizabeth. I'm here with Rachel Zoe. 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Mary Elizabeth and I have just celebrated our tenure anniversary. 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: That's right. You know those people that come into your 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: life that you hold on to for dear life. Well, 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: Mary Elizabeth is one of those people. Also known as Emmy. 16 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: That's right, because when my kids were little, they couldn't 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: say Mary Elizabeth, so they call her Emmy. So if 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: you ever hear me referring to oh, Emmy, and then 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: Emmy said, this is Emmy, Mary Elizabeth. 20 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: People know that I started as Rachel's assistant, but I 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: like to say that I was Skyler Burman's executive assistant. 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: Now I'm now got and I wanted to get business 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: cards made. Roger and I actually laughed about that once, 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: that I was going to get real business cards that 25 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: said Skyler Burman's executive assistant. I still am, to be fair, 26 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: I still am if you were to call me and 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: be like, hey, these sneakers, no. 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: One hundred percent Okay. 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: So in this episode of Climbing in Hills, we have 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: sourced a bunch of ask Rachel questions. So these questions 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: have come through either Rachel's Instagram personally or our show Instagram, 32 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: and we are not holding back in terms of categories. 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: We're going to jump around to a bunch of different topics. 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:55,279 Speaker 1: I'm a little scared. 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: Don't be scared. I'm a little scared. 36 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: I feel like you're setting me up to like throw 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: me like curve bawls. 38 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: Not at all. You can handle all of this. 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: But I love that these resonate so much with you. Guys, 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: keep sending me your questions because I really love feeling 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: like I'm talking directly to you and having conversations with 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: you exactly. 43 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: So in lieu of the Valentine's Day holiday we had 44 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 2: this week and your wedding anniversary, I thought we would 45 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: kick it off with a question that you get a 46 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: lot all the time in person, on social and interviews, 47 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: and that is what are your biggest tips for having 48 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: a lasting marriage slash relationship? 49 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: There's so many, honestly, but I'll try and keep it short. 50 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: I would say that the fact that Rod and I've 51 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: been together for thirty one years and married for twenty five, 52 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: we do recognize that's pretty unheard of these days. I 53 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: have a handful of friends that have beautiful, happy marriages, 54 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: very long lasting, but it's a very hard thing. And 55 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: I think the one thing I always say is that 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: I think the misconception about relationships and marriage is that 57 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: often hearing people say marriage takes so much work, and 58 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: I genuinely think that the thing is and like, no 59 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: marriage is perfect, no matter what Instagram says, but marriage 60 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: should really be like the easiest thing in your life. 61 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's the kind of point that everyone's missing. 62 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: Marriage should be the thing where like your other half 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: is the person that you come home and be safe with, 64 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: the person that you can talk to or not talk 65 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: to the person that you can yell at if you 66 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: need to and they know you don't mean it. The 67 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: person that when you're sobbing, they're next to you and 68 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: know they may not know what to say, but like 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: you kind of feel like they know what to say. 70 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: I think Roger and I there's a big part of 71 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: our relationship, especially now between like working, kids and stuff. 72 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: We can be home all night together and might be 73 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: in other parts of the house and like I'll be 74 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: on the phone with friends and my mom or whatever, 75 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: and I just or just need to return a hundred 76 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: emails and he wants to watch, like, you know, some 77 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: crime drama, and like that's fine. And So I think 78 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: the key to success really number one, first and foremost trust. 79 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: If you don't have that, nothing works, at least for me, 80 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: that's something that can't be repaired. And I would say 81 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: that in thirty one years, there has not been a 82 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: day where I questioned the trust that I have for Roger. 83 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: So I think that is number one. Number two. Roger 84 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: once said this, and it really stuck with me. We 85 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: really root for each other, you know, we really are 86 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: playing for the same team. We don't compete. We want 87 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: each other to win. He has never held me back 88 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: in my career or anything else. If I want to 89 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: go out with my girlfriends, he pushes me out the 90 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: door because he wants me to have fun. I think 91 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: those are really big keys to success. I think anytime 92 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: a spouse is holding someone back, that's not a good thing, right. 93 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: And I think you have to have your own life. 94 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: You know, you have to have your own story going on, 95 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: and then your story together. You know, those are like 96 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: some of it. 97 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: And don't forget separate bathrooms. 98 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: Okay, see, separate bathrooms is really underrated. And I think 99 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: that for me, I'm pretty sure I could move to 100 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: the smallest house I can ever imagine as long as 101 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: I have a separate bathroom from Roger, because I just 102 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: think that's the beginning of the end. 103 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: Just do Okay. How do you keep a positive mindset 104 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: and stay focused on your dreams? 105 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: It's a great question and a very challenging one because 106 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: I would say that there are people very close to me, 107 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: Roger being one of them, that might call me negative. 108 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes I just call myself a realist, and I think 109 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: that I play games with myself. I try to sort 110 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: of expect the worst so that I'm not disappointed. It 111 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: has really served me, really works for me. I think 112 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: if you only think about the good things that are 113 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: going to happen, then at least for me, you get 114 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: really let down, and I think it makes the sort 115 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: of feeling of failure worse. But I would say that 116 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: the key for me and staying positive and passionate and 117 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: moving forward is the people I surround myself with. I 118 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: have the most extraordinary team, and when I'm feeling shitty, 119 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: they'll lift me up. And I think it's like having 120 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: that best group of girlfriends that's like your extended family, 121 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: and that's the team I have. And you know, and 122 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: I think Roger too, and he doesn't always know the 123 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: right thing to say. Sometimes I'll think he's saying the 124 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: right thing, and it actually makes it worse because he's 125 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: just a dude. But I would say that staying positive 126 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: you have to, like I don't know, I have to 127 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: get better at sort of looking at what I have done. 128 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: And I also think that there's incredible people in the 129 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: industry that really are very kind with me and very 130 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: generous and very gracious and very thankful and appreciative and 131 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: that and that those moments where they like think me 132 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: for inspiring them or motivating or because of me they 133 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: did this or whatever. Those things actually make you want 134 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: to keep doing them because you want to keep having 135 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: that impact on people, right, you know, I. 136 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: Think you're a very also positive version of yourself when 137 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: you're inspired by something and you're excited, and you come 138 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 2: back from Paris Fashion Week, or would you like there 139 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 2: is a new sort of fire in you that is yes, there, 140 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: but not always there. 141 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: No, No, And I think it's that, you know, I 142 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: always compare it to that Sarah Jessica moment, right like 143 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: it's that moment when she got to Paris and she 144 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: walks around in that big tool gown or skirt, like 145 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: twirling around like a kid in a candy store. And 146 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: I think, you know, yes, I think when I'm reminded 147 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: of what I love the most, you know, I get excited, 148 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: I like rite up, I do, and you stay positive. 149 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: I do as opposed to your every day realist, yes, mindset, 150 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: that realist realist. But I would not ever describe you 151 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: as someone with your glass like half empty. 152 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: No you're not like that. 153 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: No, yeah, you're like, this is a beautiful glass. I 154 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: don't want it to knock over. That's you. It's a 155 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: nice boss, and I want it to break. Don't spill, 156 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: don't break, don't spill, good Lord, don't still Okay. Next question, 157 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: which I am excited for you to answer, how do 158 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: you keep your boys from becoming spoiled? And are there 159 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: items that you have refused to buy them and what 160 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: are they? 161 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a really good question and one that I 162 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: never really had to deal with n til right now, 163 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: because my son is in sixth grade, and in sixth grade, 164 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: there's things you're made aware of that you didn't really 165 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: care about until now, and it's like all of a sudden, 166 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: you become aware of other possessions that people might have, 167 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: and labels and things, and I'm just like, you know, 168 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: I definitely have spent the last eleven almost twelve years 169 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: working tirelessly to keep my children unspoiled, spoiled with love 170 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: almost to a fault, like I like overlove my kids. 171 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's possible, but I do. 172 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: The challenge is real because we live in a place 173 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: where there are tons of spoiled children everywhere. But I 174 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: really like to say that it's not where you grow up, 175 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: it's how you parent, and I am very loud and 176 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: very clear when I hear comments about whether it's and 177 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: I had a new electronic, a video game, a new 178 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: pair of sneakers that costs more than anything Roger's ever 179 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: bought for himself, and I have to check the kids 180 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: real quick. I want to say kids. I don't want 181 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: to say Kius because he's the most unspoiled child who 182 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: asks for nothing except like a or like action figure 183 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: or something that not action figure, but like you know, 184 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: one of those things he could just hold. 185 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: Or like more books. 186 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Caius is not doesn't really get driven 187 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: by material and Skyler, I think, is very entrepreneurial in 188 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: his spirit. He is ready to start businesses, he's ready 189 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: to make money. He loves cars and knows every model 190 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: a year. He's obsessed, which I respect because I think 191 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: it's like a cool thing to take interest in, right, 192 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: Like yeah, so I like that. But I am very 193 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: mindful of what I say no to, and I say 194 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: no to a lot. And I think that God doesn't 195 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: know what things cost or what things are, and he'll 196 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: just say, oh, you know, so and so got these 197 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: I love them, like blah blah blah, like that's great. 198 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: You have a birthday coming up. Let's talk about it. Okay, 199 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: let's look at your grades. Okay, let's look at you 200 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: know so I do. I will say this, Roger and 201 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: I said to both of our children a couple of 202 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: years ago, Okay, there's things that we do as your parents, 203 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: which is most everything. There is a few jobs that 204 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: you have as children. Right. You must be empathetic, you 205 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: must be kind, and you must do your best in school. 206 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: And if you do those things, your life is going 207 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: to go well. If you don't do those things, everything 208 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: goes away. So and it's worked, honestly, it's really worked, 209 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: and they have to keep up there and we keep 210 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: up our end. But I would say Roger and I 211 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: keep a very very tight rain on what is given 212 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: and what it's for and why, and they have to 213 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: earn it. And if you know, the behavior changes. If 214 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: I hear Braddy's statements, kind of lose my mind a little. 215 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to almost like it's a moment, it's 216 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: a trigger. 217 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: Like a trigger. And then I show them a video 218 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: from Save the Children or Children's Hospital or Saint Juts 219 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: or honestly like baby to baby videos and it actually 220 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: I have to tell you. It really helps, right, because 221 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: sometimes I think kids just need to be checked and 222 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: they need to see what the world that isn't around 223 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: them in their immediate radius is. It looks like yeah, 224 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: and I think it's important. 225 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 2: Is there anything you can remember refusing to buy them? 226 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: Yes, most recently a pair of off white sneakers that 227 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: Skyler wanted for Christmas. They were. 228 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 2: They're so it's like it was insane. 229 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: It was like an off white. It's like I want 230 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: to say it's an air Jordan wretch Row number something, 231 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: off white something. Because now Skyler is a collector of suckers, right, 232 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: And he said, Mom, you collect things. I said, I've 233 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: worked your life to collect things and you can too. 234 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: I mean, and you will be app to is not falling. 235 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: That's a thing, and I'll be honest with you. That's 236 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: the challenge is sort of like I understand, and I 237 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: appreciate that he appreciates. I love that he appreciates beautiful 238 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: things and has a desire and he treats them like gold, 239 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: like things that he has that are meaningful. They're in 240 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: like class cases and he doesn't touch them and like, 241 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, so I appreciate it. But he's eleven. 242 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: He's your son, Yes, through and through, Yes he is. 243 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: He is. 244 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: And I think he'll do exactly what I did. I 245 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: think he'll take every dollar that he has, that he earns, 246 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: and you know, at fourteen or fifteen, he will probably 247 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: spend it on one thing, which is what I did 248 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: and I still have it. Really yeah, oh my gosh, 249 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: that's sixteen all my money, every dollar, every dollar and 250 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: one thing. 251 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: I love that. Okay, self care wise, I do you 252 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: have actual downtime? And when you do, what does it 253 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: look like? 254 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, Mary Elizabeth, what does my self care 255 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: downtime look like? 256 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't happen often. We all know that. But occasionally, 257 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: like very occasionally, you'll say a robe day on a Monday, 258 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: like Roger took the kids out, I had two hours 259 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: a low. Yes, So I think people might think that 260 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: when you're you have those two hours, you're like going 261 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: to a spa or going or whatever. So what what 262 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: in your like how can you paint the picture of 263 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: how you recharge? 264 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: Okay, So on a Sunday morning, Roger takes the kids 265 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: to take one doo and I have a window of 266 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: nine to eleven. I will probably clean so I can 267 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: function and then take probably a really long hot shower. 268 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: When I say really long, like fifteen minutes rather than two, right, 269 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, maybe put on like amount or you know 270 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: something like that, like a like a fifteen minute college 271 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: a mask. I don't know, and probably just like not 272 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: rush and just like be in like my really luxurious bathrobe, 273 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, really comfortable, and like make phone calls to 274 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: friends that I can't speak to during the you know 275 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: what I mean, and just catch up. And that's like 276 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: relaxing for me, you know, like not rushing to go 277 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: somewhere is relaxing for me, Like not having to. 278 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: Like turning the grind off. 279 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's honestly, like really the most relaxing thing for me. 280 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: If someone was like, you don't have a commitment, you 281 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: don't have to like do anything right now, right, No, 282 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: that's hard for me to register. 283 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: Right, No one has to be here at this time. 284 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: I right, Like, no one's coming here. You don't have 285 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: a meeting and a call, you don't interview, you don't 286 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: have zooman have a podcast. You know. It's like yes, correct, 287 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: like I'm literally alone for two hours. 288 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: You're also a big outside person, I think I am. 289 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: When you're like chilling and need to relax, you sit 290 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: outside a lot. 291 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: I do because I really like fresh air, right, yeah, 292 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: I really like fresh air. And I also think, like 293 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: coming from the East Coast of being a New Yorker 294 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: and then moving here, even though it was so long ago, 295 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't ever take it for granted that it's just 296 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: so beautiful here, and like just walking up and down 297 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: my street, you know, and it took like an hour 298 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: and a half walk last week and it was just like, 299 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's just like a gorgeous day, you know. 300 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I love that. That's great, but nothing 301 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: nothing like. 302 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: Extravagant, no, I don't. 303 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, even just going to that country Martin, walking around 304 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: by myself for like an hour, it's just lovely. It's 305 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: all you need, it really is. I'm pretty long maintenance 306 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: like that. 307 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: Okay. Do you sleep with your makeup on? Because your 308 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: eye makeup always looks perfect even in the morning. 309 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm dead, Okay, So full disclosure. I'm sorry, Barbara Sturm, 310 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Nurse Dreamie, I'm sorry, I've in. I'm sorry 311 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: to all the people ball that helped make my skin. 312 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: Take care of, take care of my skin. I do 313 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: sleep with my I makeup on probably ninety percent of 314 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: the time, not my face makeup, not my skin. I 315 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: clean my skin before your skin. Yeah. I have to 316 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: have had way too much champagne to sleep with my 317 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: face makeup on, Like I have to not want to deal. Yeah. Yeah, 318 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: but I don't like that feeling. I like, actually feel 319 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: like my porest clogging if I sleep with makeup on. 320 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it gross and it gets on your pille like 321 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: it's just gross. Yeah, it's not the best. No, So 322 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: you do admit to sleeping with your eyemy, I do, Okay. 323 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: I can't lie about it only just because. 324 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: You see you in the morning on your Instagram. 325 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah at six am, everyone's like, you're not sleeping you 326 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: have makeup on, And I'm like, no, I actually just 327 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: slept with it. Yeah. By the way, my mother does too. 328 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: Except my mother, I think sleeps with like a full face. 329 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: I love it. It's very like old school. 330 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: It is. It's very like didn't anyone see like marvelous 331 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: Miss Maisel, she got up in the net and you. 332 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: Get herself all dult. Yeah, it's kind of you. Okay. 333 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: What is the number one piece of fashion advice? For 334 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: people with a very limited budget. 335 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: Oh I you know, I think that people with limited 336 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: budgets actually have the best style most of the time 337 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: because you're forced to be way more creative, way more resourceful. 338 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: I my whole twenties, my whole like college into my 339 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: probably late twenties, before I started making actual money that 340 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: I could like buy my own things. You know, I 341 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: just went thrift store, thrift store, thrist store, and I 342 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: found pieces I still have going strong today. You know, 343 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: I think that you especially now because of much resale 344 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: of amazing things, you can really get treasures pretty much anywhere. 345 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: And I have to say, like I'm a huge advocate 346 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: for Zara and you know, a lot of the other 347 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: amazing like sort of trend stores because they're very affordable, 348 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: especially when they're on sale. You could get like treasures 349 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: for like twenty dollars, and those pieces like you can 350 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: just mix it match them a million ways. So I 351 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: don't think budget has to matter that much. It's obviously 352 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: easier when you have a big budget, of course, But 353 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: I just find sometimes people with the most money of 354 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: the worst taste. You know why is that that's because 355 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: they can buy anything, so you don't have to think 356 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: about it. It's easier. You could say, oh, I want 357 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: this thing that's however much money, and I buy that. 358 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: You don't even think about it. You just go, oh, 359 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: this is the new hit think great, like this is 360 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: the new hot bag. Okay, I'm buying it, even if 361 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't work on you. You know, you don't think 362 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: about it. Whereas if you're on a tight budget or 363 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: limited budget, then you have to think about every piece 364 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: and you have to love it and it has to 365 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: work for you. So I would say, just buy key 366 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: pieces that can be on rotation in your daily uniform, 367 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: and then buy, like, put a little more money into 368 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: like a great bag or shoes that can make everything 369 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: look better. And I have to say, obviously depending on 370 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: where you live, but a great coat or a blazer, 371 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, like a great like even like a denim blazer, 372 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: black leather blazer, even vegan leather blazer, doesn't matter, but 373 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: like that can make everything better. Statement jewelry that doesn't 374 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: have to cost anything can just make your outfit amazing. 375 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: It's true a drama always. 376 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: Okay, do you have a nanny or help with your boys? 377 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: I've not had a nanny in five years. I just 378 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: had epic help when the kids were younger. 379 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: And you're too much of a control for it. 380 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: Am I allowed to plug you? Yeah? 381 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: I mean I was with when I started with Rachel, 382 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: my majority of the time was with the kids. 383 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: Yes, she was our family assistant and savior. And you know, 384 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: I think when you have amazing people that work with 385 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: you and your family and then they move on, you know, 386 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: because they're great and you move them into like big 387 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: jobs in your company and things like that, it's hard 388 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: to replace. And so what happened was I just never 389 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: replaced her. So now I have an assistant who helps 390 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: like drive the kids the places they need to go, 391 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: pick up from school when I can, and stuff like that. 392 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: But really, like I really like to do everything with 393 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: the kids. I know that's crazy, but like my days 394 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: are numbered. You know, Sky's almost twelve, right, Kaius is nine. 395 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: I got like three more years of this and then 396 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: they're going to be like bye. I am a very 397 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: hands on mom. I don't say that to try and 398 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: like make other moms that have help in nanny's because 399 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't judge anyone. I just what happened to me 400 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: was I would try to hire a nanny it did 401 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: not work. I didn't like their work ethic or they 402 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: were always on their phones or whatever it was, and 403 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: I said, this is crazy. This is actually just another 404 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: person for me to manage. Ultimately, my kids come home 405 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: from school and they want to be with me, and 406 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: they want me to make them dinner, and they want 407 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: me to tuck them in and they want, you know, 408 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: and like I go out and I do events and 409 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: all those things, but ultimately, like I'm down to have 410 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: babysitters or whatever. I just I decided over the last 411 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: few years that I didn't want another person between me 412 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: and my kids, right, and just my personal choice. And 413 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: it might just be because I had my kids later. 414 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: I think if I had my kids in my twenties, 415 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: like my early thirties, I would need real help all 416 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: the time, or I just wouldn't have done my career 417 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: the way I did, right, because it's really hard to 418 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: do both. 419 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: That's a good segue into a next question, which is 420 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: how was your postpartum with your kids and what helped 421 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 2: you to bounce back? 422 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: Well, I think if you mean postpartum, I did not 423 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: very fortunately, and I didn't realize how fortunate I was 424 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: at the time. I did not have postpartum depression with 425 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: either of my children, which only over the last few 426 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: years did I realize how serious that is and how 427 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: many friends of mine. 428 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: Suffered terribly from so many women. 429 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so many close friends of mine did, and it's 430 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: it's just really something that I believe is not talked 431 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: about or not. I was fortunate that I didn't. I 432 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: think with Sky, I was like a torn because I 433 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: was such a workaholic for my entire adult life, and 434 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: all I knew was how to work twenty four to seven, 435 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: so much so that I you know that I got 436 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: like sick from me, you know, I just got that 437 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: started to lose my mind. But I think what happened 438 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: was I was like, I'm not ready. I'm not ready. 439 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm not ready. I'm not ready. And I remember going 440 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: to the hospital and walking doing the hospital tour with Roger, 441 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: like when I was nine months pregnant. You were supposed 442 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: to do it way earlier. But I think I waited 443 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: really long and I looked to Roger and I was like, 444 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: I'm not doing this, and he was like, what are 445 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: you talking about? You want to have a C section. 446 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: I'm like, Nope, not doing this. I'm like I'm scared 447 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not ready, and he's like, well it's too late, 448 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: So like, wait a second. I think I was just 449 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: paralyzed with love, honestly, Like I think I just my 450 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: You're being world. Everything just flipped upside down and backwards. 451 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: And I couldn't get my head out of my ass 452 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: for a bit, like a bit, like a real bit 453 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: like and I went back to work pretty quickly in 454 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: the sense of like my team was at the house 455 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: every day, I was working and blah blah blah, but 456 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: like I could not figure out how to like be 457 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: rachel Zo and be the mom I wanted to be. 458 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: And I just for that probably first year, I just 459 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: was like I don't want to go anywhere, I don't 460 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: want to do anything. I don't want to leave him. 461 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: I actually didn't leave him. 462 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: You were in a love tornado. 463 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: I was in a love tornado. I really was. And 464 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: I don't think I really left him until he was 465 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: like four, and I took him everywhere. And when I 466 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: had Caius, it was like I kind of got it down, 467 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it was sort of 468 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: like by the time I had Caius, I sort of 469 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: was like okay, you can actually leave your children and 470 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: they're going to be okay and you're going to be okay. Right. 471 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: Tough love is definitely not my strong area of parenting. Admittedly, 472 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: my kids were not sleep trained, they were not anything trained. 473 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: They were potty trained. 474 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: They were potty trained, but even that was probably late. 475 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: But they I'm not good at the like cry it out. 476 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: Tough love is good for them. That just didn't fly 477 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: with me. So here we are. 478 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: And it's funny because Roger is not great at that either. 479 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: Now there's two softies. Yeah in this it's true. 480 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: It's really true. We suck. No we do. Skyler even 481 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: Kaya's had a fever last summer and it was crazy 482 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: high and his ear was hurting and he was screaming. 483 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: Roger was sobbing. He couldn't bear it, like literally couldn't 484 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: bear it. I was like, how'd you? Like, how are 485 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: you in the room when I give birthies? Like I thought 486 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: I was going to die anyway. I think what happened 487 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: was the first child. I was shook and I couldn't 488 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: let go. I had that crazy, like upside down mom 489 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: feeling like I can't get my life together, I can't 490 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: do this I can't do both things. How am I 491 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: going to figure this out? And the balance and this? 492 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: And then by the time I had sky A KaiA Is, honestly, 493 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: it was like I was so obsessed with him and 494 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: he was such an easy child. He was so easy, Yeah, 495 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: like this little happy, little marsupial. And I remember, like 496 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: literally ten days out after I had Caius going to 497 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: a fitting with Jen Lawrence for the oscars. Yeah, And 498 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: I remember walking in and her being like, are you okay? 499 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: Like are you still in pain? I'm like kind of, 500 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: but I was good. I was I was really ready 501 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: to get back in it because I understood that I 502 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: could turn around and go home after the fitting and 503 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: it was okay, and Kius was napping and he didn't 504 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: know I was missing. And so I had a weird 505 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: postpartum experience in the sense of I really turned upside 506 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: down and backwards and couldn't figure out how to do it. 507 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: And I think by the second one I definitely had 508 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: it figured out more. But honestly, like you were with 509 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: me leaving the balance, that not wanting to go to things, 510 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: leaving more than you know, two nights in a week, 511 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, I missed this or missing 512 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: something important. 513 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 2: It's hard, Yeah it is, But you really didn't take 514 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 2: time off? I didkyus, I didn't came. Yeah, I just 515 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: remember we have got all your meetings to the house. 516 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, or we moved them like the whole team at 517 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: the house all the time, and I would like do 518 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: things while I was like breastfeeding, and you know, you 519 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: just kind of it just seemed more normal. 520 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: Right time, I think, right, it wasn't as jarred. 521 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: No. Yeah, but I didn't. I didn't take a quote 522 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: unquote maternity leave. No, No, I don't remember one. If 523 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: you didn't, no, okay, which you should, by the way, yes, 524 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: you very much, You very much should, because you don't 525 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: get that time back. 526 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah okay. Next question, what are your tips to help 527 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: busy moms women who have a very packed life and 528 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 2: schedule feel stylish. 529 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: I think you have to really think about what you 530 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: do in your life. I think you have to think 531 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: about where you're going and what you're doing most of 532 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: the time. I can't tell you how many moms I 533 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: see at school and workout clothes because they go from 534 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: drop off to workout, right, And it makes sense, But 535 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: there are such cute workout clothes and workout jackets and 536 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: workout sinkers and all that. So I think it's important 537 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: as women for us to feel cute. We have to 538 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: feel attractive in order to put ourselves out in a 539 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: positive way. Whatever that is. It's like it means something 540 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: different to everybody. Like one of my best friends we 541 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: just had on the podcast Jen Meyer, ask her how 542 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: she feels happiest. She's going to tell you in sweats 543 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: and sninkers, right right, but like girl dresses up, girl 544 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: wears a sequmini like in heels and looks amazing. But like, ultimately, 545 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: however you feel your best is how you should really 546 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: put the most into kind of your wardrobe and your look. 547 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: And I think it's important to think about, Okay, this 548 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: is what I do five out of seven days, so 549 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: this is what I need, and I need like black, 550 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, loungy pants that I can kind of run 551 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: around in but then go to the gym if I 552 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: need to, and then put on a cute like you know, 553 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: Kashmir hoodie sweatshirt. But I'm going to put you know, 554 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: cute slides on, you know, good like you know, mules 555 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: on my on my feet like a really cozy, like 556 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: faux fur mule to just like cuter than if I 557 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: was wearing a sninker, right, So I think it's like 558 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: making little small decisions like that. But to be honest, 559 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: I really think it's important to put five minute makeup on, 560 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: like beautiful with their natural beauty and no makeup, but 561 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: like a little concealer, a lipstain, a little on your cheek. 562 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: It never really hurt anybody, and I think, yeah, feel better. 563 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes when I see them, they'll be like, 564 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: they'll cover their faces and be like, don't look at me. 565 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: I don't have makeup on. So it's like, you know, 566 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: and then there's people that don't look like they have 567 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: makeup on, but they have five minute makeup. Right. So 568 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: that's the thing. I think, it's like perfecting the art 569 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: of whatever that no makeup makeup is for you. 570 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: No makeup makeup. I love that. 571 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: Well. Listen, if you ask Gwyneth Paltrow, she would tell 572 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: you should not have makeup on. And by the way, 573 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: ninety percent of the time I see her, she doesn't 574 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: have makeup on and she looks beautiful. So I think 575 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: if that's how you feel your best, then don't wear 576 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: makeup right, you know what I mean? But like if 577 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: you're going to walk around with a hand over your 578 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: face and say, oh my god, don't look at me. 579 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: I don't I've known a makeup on. Then spend five 580 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: minutes and put concealer on and put a little lipstain on, 581 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: and you'll feel like a new person. Yeah. 582 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: So I think the takeaway here is like, figure out 583 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: how to make your routine if you don't have a 584 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: lot of time, as efficient as possible, but like as impactful. 585 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: As what is your ten minute before you get out 586 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: the door in the morning look like right? And what 587 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: is it that makes you feel more confident to walk 588 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: around for more than like driving your child to school 589 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: and not getting out of the car. So what's going 590 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: to make you get out of the car right? And 591 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a ball gown in heels, by. 592 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: The way for you it is But yeah, the rest 593 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: of us is living on the earth. 594 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: A little sequin never heard anyone, It's true, not even 595 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: Harry Styles. 596 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 2: This is very relevant to an update in your daily routine. 597 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: Oh my, and the question is do you exercise regularly? 598 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: Rachel Ze? 599 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, so this is a question I've 600 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: been asked my entire life, and my entire life, I 601 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: have said, absolutely not. 602 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: You've done a little yoga here and there. 603 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: I've done bouts of yoga here and there, but it 604 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: does not last long. And I am looking for the short, impactful, shortcut. 605 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: And I've recently started, in twenty twenty three Tracy Anderson, 606 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: but sort of the abridged version of Tracy Anderson because 607 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't have two hours to do her incredible body changing, 608 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: life changing workout. I have done some Melissa Wood health 609 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: flows over the last few years and they're incredible, really 610 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: and you can do them anywhere, which I think are amazing. 611 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: And you know, but I have to say my like, 612 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: Tracy's been great, and it's like painful, impactful and short 613 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: enough that I can be done and start my day 614 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 1: and jum in the shower and like get on with 615 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: my day. And it's been nice and it's like, you know, 616 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: you go about your day feeling like you did something good, right, 617 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 1: So that's good. So is that considered self care? Yes, 618 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: but it's painful. Does that mean it's self care? It's 619 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: not relaxing, yeah. 620 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: But it's good for you. So I think it does 621 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: fall into the bucket of self care. Okay, even though 622 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: we'll still give you a break. We'll let you watch 623 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: birdrid ten for the watched it like a million times. 624 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm shuck though, Phoebe Daniver's not coming back? Oh really, shuck? 625 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: Is that breaking news? 626 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: It is breaking news? No? All right, well it was 627 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: breaking news. It was on my social feed today, I 628 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: screamed out loud. 629 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: That's very sad. 630 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: Well, it's like no her, no reggien. What's happening? Will 631 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: they recover? 632 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: We will find out. 633 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: Okay, well I recover? 634 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: Will you recover? 635 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: You know? 636 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: Have you ever lost confidence in yourself every day? And 637 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: how did you build it back? How do you build 638 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: it back? 639 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: I lose confidence in myself every day. And I say that. 640 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: I say that with truth and sarcasm. I say that with, 641 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, just being very honest. I'm very human. I 642 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: always think no one's showing up for me. I always 643 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: think I'm not going to get the the whatever it is. 644 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't expect things in life, and I always set 645 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: myself up for worse. As I said, it has worked 646 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: for me. Part of it's a game, and part of 647 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: it I really truly believe that. I don't know and listen. 648 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: I think I work in an industry industries that you know, 649 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: there's always other people, there's always competition, there's always more, 650 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: there's always this, there's always this one. You know, there's 651 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: always challenges and everything. And I think it's funny because 652 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: peop were like, Oh, you make this look so easier. 653 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: Of course you're going to get this or of course no. 654 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: Like it's like life doesn't work like that. And so 655 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: I think I've lived enough life where I keep it 656 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: very real, and I keep it very real with myself. 657 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: I lose confidence all the time. I mean, I think 658 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: I get it back with successes, right like with wins. 659 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: And I will be honest with you that since I've 660 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: become a mother, it doesn't affect me as much. Meaning 661 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: my confidence or lack thereof would kind of really govern 662 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: my being before I had children, and I'd be like, oh, 663 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get this job. Oh I didn't 664 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: do that, that wasn't the best look, or why to 665 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: do this or whatever. You know. When I became a mom, 666 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: I think it's when you start to question or you 667 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: feel as confident. You look at those little faces and 668 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: they just are loving all over me, you know, and 669 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: it's kind of like I'm good, right, and then Kays 670 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: will look at me and be like. 671 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: There's not really your perfect. Your kids are, That's the thing. 672 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: It's true. It's like they're happy, they're healthy, they're lifting 673 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: you up, they're telling you you're the best, and like 674 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're like, okay, okay, if you 675 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: see that crown on mommy's head, I'm so happy. And 676 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: so I think that really helps, honestly, But it's hard, 677 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm being very honest, like it's hard. 678 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know that many people that believe 679 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: they're the best at anything, even if they are sure, 680 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think if you I think if you 681 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: said to David Beckham, like you're one of the greatest 682 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: soccer players of all time or you're no, there's so 683 00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: many better, like. 684 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: Right, I mean I think definitely your confidence now in 685 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 2: terms of work and family life, I would say that 686 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 2: like the only times I would ever think of you 687 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 2: feeling less confident or not as confident. It's just about 688 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: work stuff, not anything about what's going on in your 689 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 2: real with Roger, with boys, with your extended family, with 690 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 2: your friends. But yeah, I agree, I think you. But 691 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: you're also you're not going at taking conflidens no, and 692 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: you're not really good at celebrating your wins. I would 693 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: say it's nice to hear you say that. Those like 694 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: refuel you and that helps you build your confidence back. 695 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 2: You don't really pay a lot of attention or give 696 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: a lot of credence to your wins, but maybe you 697 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 2: do inside and that helps. I don't know, but outwardly 698 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 2: you're like, no, no, no, let's just keep working, move on. 699 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's because I think it's like a fear, right, 700 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: Like it's sort of like a oh you relish and 701 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: that it's going to go away real quick. Yeah. But 702 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: I will say this, there is a different type of confidence. 703 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: There are different types of confidence, sure. And my father 704 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: taught me when I was a stylist, when I was 705 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: really building my career and every job I went into 706 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: I felt like it was my last. I was like, 707 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: if I look this up, I'm dead, won't work again, 708 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: I am done. I imagine as an actor, you feel 709 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: that way all the time, right, like. 710 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: Actor singer, I mean everything, everybody, Yeah, and so entertainment. 711 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: And I think what my dad taught me was that 712 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: confidence comes from experience, and I will say that over 713 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: the years, as I was doing my like two hundred 714 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: styling job, right, you kind of roll into it with 715 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,479 Speaker 1: a little bit of a different totally or about you, 716 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: like I got this, let's do this right. 717 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 2: So another listener would like to know, would you ever 718 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 2: offer coaching courses for women? 719 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: Yes, I would offer coaching classes like for styling, for 720 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: getting dressed, for teaching for what, for mommying, for what. 721 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: It doesn't specify, but I would imagine it's based in 722 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 2: fashion or in your spreneurial life. 723 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean professors companies that do that. I mean 724 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: I actually think through Caretor, I'm going to start doing 725 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: a bit of a coaching Q and a conversation and 726 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: answer everybody's questions and keep it real. 727 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to do that for our members coming up, 728 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 2: which will be really exciting. You also work with Intro. 729 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: I work with Intro, which if you have not heard 730 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: of Intro, it's the most incredible platform and you can 731 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: sign on to Intro and basically pay for time with 732 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: any of your favorite experts through multiple different fields and 733 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty incredible. Home design, entertaining, astrology, fashion, fashion, 734 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: well wellness, all of it. It's pretty incredible. So you 735 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: should check out intro. I'm obsessed with it. Yeah, and 736 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: I'm on it. 737 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: App and you can actually sign up for a session 738 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 2: with Rachel if you like. Yeah, Okay, this is our 739 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 2: last question for today. And I know it's when you 740 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 2: get asked frequently, but it's tips for dressing a full figure. 741 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you have to, like anyone else 742 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: with any type of body, fuller otherwise you have to 743 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: think about the things of your body that you love 744 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: the most. Right. It's it's similar concept as like being pregnant. 745 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: It's like, what are you most proud of in your pregnancy. 746 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: I have friends that literally basically didn't wear pants for 747 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: their whole pregnancies because they just want to show their 748 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: legs all the time, right, friends that show their arms, 749 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: And I think with a fuller figure, I very often 750 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: like to suggest to embrace your shape and embrace your curves, 751 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: they're beautiful, and really choose the part of your body 752 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: that you feel the most confident in and really accentuate that. 753 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: You know, whether it's your shoulders, your dick, leetage, your arms, 754 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: your neck, you know it's the most beautiful part of 755 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 1: a woman. I love a woman's back. If you feel 756 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: really good about your legs, the more shorter dresses, you know. 757 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: But I do think that things that really embrace your 758 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: shape are more flattering because typically, you know, if you 759 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: wear a very kind of voluminous look, it won't be 760 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 1: the most flattering to you. So I think just embrace 761 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: your body, love your body for what it is, and 762 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: were things that are more fitted. Put a belt on, 763 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: show your waist, you know. 764 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 2: Love that, Rachel Zoe. Thank you for doing an ask 765 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 2: Rachel with all of us. We'll talk to you guys soon. 766 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for asking all of these incredible 767 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: questions and listening to Climbing in Heels. I love that 768 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: you guys love to do these with me. It's so 769 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: much fun. Don't forget to write a review wherever you 770 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: get your podcasts because it really helps out and it's 771 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: super fun for me to see while you're at it. 772 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: Follow me on at Rachel Zoe and at Climbing in 773 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: Heels pod on Instagram for more updates on upcoming guests, episodes, 774 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: and all things cure toor 775 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 2: Sho