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Speaker 2: The True was a secondary figure. He was responsible for
Speaker 2: bringing drugs and girls at the parties. Nihoul was the boss.
Speaker 2: The True is more on the side.
Speaker 3: These are the words of Regina Loof read by a translator.
Speaker 3: When de True was arrested, she said that she recognized
Speaker 3: his face on the news. She also recognized Michel Niehul,
Speaker 3: who was also arrested on suspicion of involvement. Regina Loof
Speaker 3: claimed that she had been abused by Nihoul as a
Speaker 3: young teenager and had witnessed terrible abuse of others at
Speaker 3: his hands.
Speaker 2: From the age of twelve. My grandmother forced me to
Speaker 2: be a prostitute. I was brought to orgies. Everyone was
Speaker 2: drinking a lot of alcohol. There are sometimes other children there.
Speaker 2: Nihul was very often there with his wife. I remember
Speaker 2: Jean michel Nut as a very cruel man. He abused
Speaker 2: children in a very sadistic way. Sometimes during these parties,
Speaker 2: they would put us outside a large garden. The adults
Speaker 2: would chase us, and whoever cut one of us could
Speaker 2: do whatever they wanted.
Speaker 4: I'm psychobat with somebody who understands emotions.
Speaker 2: And I told them it is very exceptional that somebody
Speaker 2: abducts two children at the same time.
Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty six. But my gods, it was just a beginning.
Speaker 4: I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days.
Speaker 3: Welcome to La Monstra. I'm your host, Matt Graves. You'll
Speaker 3: recall that after the initial arrest of d True, his
Speaker 3: wife Michelle Martin, and accomplice Michel Lelievre, there is another
Speaker 3: arrest of a man named Michel Nihoul. The arrest of
Speaker 3: Nihoul was the beginning of two narratives in this country
Speaker 3: which still persist today, one in which the True and
Speaker 3: his accomplices were an isolated groove, and another in which
Speaker 3: the True was part of something much larger, a child's
Speaker 3: sex trafficking network. The isolated group narrative was widely accepted
Speaker 3: by Belgian law enforcement and the mainstream media. However, there
Speaker 3: are several disturbing facts that point to the narrative of
Speaker 3: a larger child trafficking network with powerful connections. Michel Niehul,
Speaker 3: with all of his power and influence, lies at the
Speaker 3: heart of this second narrative. You recall that telephone records
Speaker 3: showed that Nihoul had a flurry of phone calls with
Speaker 3: both d'true and his accomplice le Lievre leading up to
Speaker 3: the last disappearance of Letitia de LEAs, and that he
Speaker 3: gave them about fifteen thousand dollars worth of ecstasy pills
Speaker 3: on the day after she was kidnapped. During early interrogations,
Speaker 3: da True and le Lievre spoke a lot about Nihoul.
Speaker 3: They said he was a hustler with a lot of
Speaker 3: influence who organized orgies. Dtrue said that Nihoul told him
Speaker 3: that sadomasochist orgies were the most profitable, and that Nihoul
Speaker 3: was a fervent satamassachist himself. It was an open secret
Speaker 3: that Nihoul regularly organized orgies, even people close to him,
Speaker 3: and in fact, his own lawyer admitted that Nihoul frequently
Speaker 3: participated in secret sex parties. He described himself as a
Speaker 3: man of all seasons and was the consummate networker involved
Speaker 3: in both business and politics. From various business ventures to
Speaker 3: public relations to political campaign consulting, Nihoul was a man
Speaker 3: of influence, with connections across the spectrum. He even had
Speaker 3: his own radio show in Brussels. Several people close to
Speaker 3: Nihouol described him as an excellent salesman and a show
Speaker 3: off who liked to spin big and drink and party excessively.
Speaker 3: With several bankruptcies to his name, Nihoul also had a
Speaker 3: rap sheet with convictions for fraud, bad checks and breach
Speaker 3: of trust based on records showing frequent telephone conversations between
Speaker 3: De True, l Lievre and Nihoul leading up to the
Speaker 3: kidnapping of Letitia and the early testimony of d True
Speaker 3: and the Lievre about Nihoul's possible involvement. He was arrested
Speaker 3: and his face was plastered all over the media. Regina Loof,
Speaker 3: the girl whose words you heard the start of this episode,
Speaker 3: had a friend who contacted police to explain that she
Speaker 3: knew someone who had concrete information about the True and
Speaker 3: the corrupt businessman Michelle Nihul. The friend she was referring
Speaker 3: to was Regina Loof. Regina didn't initially want to testify,
Speaker 3: but she was eventually convinced to speak with police on record.
Speaker 4: What the reaction was, what we've seen the True that's bad.
Speaker 4: It's like two four six kids that were adducted forward
Speaker 4: dead too were still found back alive. That was terrible
Speaker 4: for Belgium. But if what Regina was saying was even
Speaker 4: half of it true, it would be ten times worse.
Speaker 3: This is the voice of Rudy Hoskins, who was the
Speaker 3: investigative lead on the team signed to interview Regina Loofod.
Speaker 3: Hoskins is currently a partner at one of the prestigious
Speaker 3: Big four global accounting and consulting firms, where he's a
Speaker 3: confidence leader in forensic services. Earlier in his career, Rudy
Speaker 3: was a Belgian federal police officer or gendarme for sixteen years.
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety six, he and his colleagues Amey Bill,
Speaker 3: Patrick de Batts and Philippe Uppe were assigned by Judge
Speaker 3: Conrad to interview anonymous witnesses who had come forward after
Speaker 3: seeing the arrests of the True and Nihoul on television.
Speaker 3: To protect the identities of witnesses, the police called them
Speaker 3: X one, X two, X three and so on. X
Speaker 3: one was Regina aloof who claimed she had been abused
Speaker 3: by the true and Nihoul.
Speaker 4: Then we had that first interview and now we sat together. Okay,
Speaker 4: what's we're going to do with that? This lady is
Speaker 4: completely crazy? That was her first assessment. Right, all the
Speaker 4: things he is telling us this is not possible, cannot
Speaker 4: be true. And also the names she was clothing were
Speaker 4: people of of high society. Yeah, politicians, heads of captains
Speaker 4: of industry, magistrates, police people. So this cannot be true.
Speaker 4: This is too much. Right. That was a bit the
Speaker 4: first feeling, I think. And when did you start to
Speaker 4: believe her? When we started finding the first I would say,
Speaker 4: the first evidence is what we said that we could
Speaker 4: confirm that in the field or through public records or
Speaker 4: to whatever.
Speaker 3: The story of Regina Luf is both perplexing and tragic.
Speaker 3: She was sexually abused by adults as a young girl
Speaker 3: and into her teenage years. For obvious reasons, this affected
Speaker 3: her psychologically, and she showed clear signs of mental instability
Speaker 3: during her interviews.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Nancy started talking about cases where she was
Speaker 4: not only abused, but where she also witnessed. Although I
Speaker 4: would say friends or children that were abused and even
Speaker 4: murdered and then when we hurt murders are Okay, that's interesting,
Speaker 4: because if there's a murder, there must have been a body.
Speaker 4: There must be a cold case somewhere, so talk to
Speaker 4: us about that.
Speaker 3: She described two horrifying experiences where she had witnessed the
Speaker 3: abuse and murder of other young girls. Hoskins and his
Speaker 3: colleagues drilled into her accounts of these experiences in a
Speaker 3: series of long and grueling interviews, while Hoskins gathered details
Speaker 3: and investigated possible links to unsolved cases. Because the timeline
Speaker 3: and description aligned with an unsolved abuse and murder case.
Speaker 3: To understand this cold case, we have to go back
Speaker 3: to nineteen eighty four, twelve years before the bodies of Julie, Melissa,
Speaker 3: Anne and Efia were found murdered on the properties of
Speaker 3: Mark de True.
Speaker 1: Those comed up.
Speaker 3: Okay, it happened less than two miles from where I
Speaker 3: live today. A young journalist, Jean Savigna, is helping me
Speaker 3: with this part of the project. We wanted to see
Speaker 3: where this crime was committed almost forty years ago in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four. This was the side of a place
Speaker 3: known as La Champignnere, which means mushroom. Farm in French.
Speaker 3: You can see if you look at the pictures, actually
Speaker 3: you can might that could be that true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love scary place.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, these pictures.
Speaker 4: You really scary. For Give me the chill.
Speaker 3: The mushroom farm had been abandoned in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3: The only pictures left of this place are black and white,
Speaker 3: and they have a sinister feel to them. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: just because I know what happened here. It was cold
Speaker 3: and dark on the evening of February thirteenth, nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 3: when a local passerby noticed smoke coming from the abandoned
Speaker 3: mushroom farm in the commune of Odigem in Brussels. The
Speaker 3: passerby called the fire department to report the smoke in
Speaker 3: case there was a fire that needed to be put out.
Speaker 3: When fire crews arrived, they determined the smoke was coming
Speaker 3: from one of the old basements of the mushroom farm.
Speaker 3: It was a routine call and it didn't appear that
Speaker 3: anyone was in danger, so they sent a small team
Speaker 3: to go check out the source of the fire. After
Speaker 3: weaving through a labyrinth of underground hallways, they arrived in
Speaker 3: a basement where they found a heap of crates and
Speaker 3: trash on fire and proceeded to extinguish it. When the
Speaker 3: flames were put out, they started to separate the debris
Speaker 3: to make sure everything was extinguished. One of the firemen
Speaker 3: noticed a string object under the debris that didn't look
Speaker 3: like it belonged there. It looked distinctly human, but was
Speaker 3: twisted into an odd shape. To their horror, they realized
Speaker 3: it was indeed a partially burned and mutilated body. The
Speaker 3: victim's arms and feet had been tied behind their back
Speaker 3: and looped around their neck into an arching position with
Speaker 3: metal wire. The hands were missing and the legs were damaged.
Speaker 3: Initial responders said that they saw a nail planted into
Speaker 3: one of the severed hands. It was declared a crime scene,
Speaker 3: and investigators quickly determined that it was likely a teenage girl.
Speaker 3: As they sifted through the scene, they found jewelry and
Speaker 3: a partially burned school notebook that enabled them to identify
Speaker 3: the victim. It was sixteen year old Christine van His.
Speaker 3: Only hours before. Her parents had called the police to
Speaker 3: declare her missing when she didn't return home from school
Speaker 3: the same day. The autopsy determined that she died prior
Speaker 3: to when the fire was set, and that she had
Speaker 3: been tortured and raped before being strangled to death with
Speaker 3: electric wires. Again the former gendarme Rudy Hoskins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the things she told us, she couldn't have known
Speaker 4: without having been there or witnessed it.
Speaker 3: Regina loose account of the abuse and murder of a
Speaker 3: girl named Christine was strikingly similar to the circumstances of
Speaker 3: the infamous murder of Christine van Has at the Champagnoniere.
Speaker 4: And now we said, okay, shit, this girl is really talking.
Speaker 4: And then we went more in depth, asking for more
Speaker 4: details like the championnaires to described the house, how she
Speaker 4: went in there, and even also details for example, if
Speaker 4: you go into a house, okay, normally in the house
Speaker 4: you go stairs up and then you go in. In
Speaker 4: that case, you went like stairs down and then you
Speaker 4: go in. So it was like specific things we could check.
Speaker 4: So we found all the pictures of the house where
Speaker 4: you see the stairs going down. For example, we went
Speaker 4: to get the file out of the Justice Pallace and
Speaker 4: Brussels where we went to look for the pictures. How
Speaker 4: did it look like internally? There were a lot of
Speaker 4: pictures taken because there was a body that was burned inside,
Speaker 4: and how the body was killed, and how it was
Speaker 4: like with the kind of iron. I don't remember the
Speaker 4: details anymore, but with iron and stuff at certain places
Speaker 4: in the body. And if you looked at the pictures
Speaker 4: from the it was not the corpse anymore, it was burnt.
Speaker 4: You saw these irons. At that specific points in time.
Speaker 3: Rudy Hoskins and his team became increasingly convinced that Regina
Speaker 3: Loof had witnessed the gruesome murder of Christine van Has.
Speaker 3: All of our testimony was witnessed by several officers and
Speaker 3: even magistrates, and it was meticulously recorded. Unfortunately, there's no
Speaker 3: such thing as a Freedom of Information Act request for
Speaker 3: such material in Belgium, but I was able to get
Speaker 3: my hands on the transcripts. What you're about to hear
Speaker 3: is a reading from transcripts of Regina Loose's testimony. Warning
Speaker 3: this is extremely disturbing.
Speaker 2: There was a drawing of names to decide, for example,
Speaker 2: which one of the two girls were going to suffer.
Speaker 4: Who was the second girl, Christine? What happened to Christine?
Speaker 2: She was sacrificed. She streamed so much for someone.
Speaker 4: To hear her what made her scream the true.
Speaker 2: Nihol and his wife. They tortured her. They tied her
Speaker 2: up and spread her legs on the table. She couldn't
Speaker 2: even defend herself. They put something inside of her. They
Speaker 2: were hurting her and raping her, and they burn her.
Speaker 2: They what they burn her.
Speaker 3: Police were astounded by what they were hearing. She hadn't
Speaker 3: made a direct connection to the Christine van Hanes case,
Speaker 3: but her descriptions of the circumstances of this terrifying experience
Speaker 3: were strikingly similar to the infamous cold case. What made
Speaker 3: this difficult for police was that Regina Loof had herself
Speaker 3: been a victim and she was dealing with her own
Speaker 3: trauma at the time. The horrible things that happened to
Speaker 3: her over the years made questioning her very difficult. There
Speaker 3: were many long pauses where she would just shut down.
Speaker 3: Sometimes these bouts of silence could last as long as
Speaker 3: an hour.
Speaker 4: She must have read it somewhere. Yeah, she must have
Speaker 4: had access to the judicial file, or she must have
Speaker 4: known a lawyer, or she must have been there. That
Speaker 4: was not clear for us. So what we did is
Speaker 4: we did a house search in our house to find
Speaker 4: because We also thought, hey, guys seem to have read
Speaker 4: that somewhere or had contact with somebody. So we did
Speaker 4: out search. We went to every page, to every book.
Speaker 4: Is there something in a book, in a newspaper and
Speaker 4: old magazine where she could have read it. We didn't
Speaker 4: find anything, but still there were a lot of things
Speaker 4: that we could check and prove, and at a certain
Speaker 4: point in time, I would say we started believing.
Speaker 2: I remember it like it's a film in my head.
Speaker 2: I can close my eyes and see every little details
Speaker 2: of that house where she was murdered. It was a
Speaker 2: sort of bondage, so her legs and her hands and
Speaker 2: her throat were connected with the same rope, and when
Speaker 2: she moved, she strangled herself. Yeah.
Speaker 3: By the time of these interrogations, the old mushroom farm
Speaker 3: and adjoining house had been demolished, so investigators reached out
Speaker 3: to the family who had lived there beforehand. A man
Speaker 3: and his brother who had grown up there were convinced
Speaker 3: that Regina Loof must have been there before based on
Speaker 3: her description the property. These are his words, not his voice.
Speaker 3: It was two houses that had been combined into a
Speaker 3: single dwelling, with the unique passage of stairs and hallways.
Speaker 3: No one could describe it unless they had been there.
Speaker 3: There was a hallway joining two houses, and she drew
Speaker 3: a picture of the doors inside. They were antique doors,
Speaker 3: and she drew the moldings. She described the wallpaper and
Speaker 3: the front step. I don't know who could have described
Speaker 3: it so accurately if they hadn't been there. I don't
Speaker 3: know Regine Aloof, I've never met her. All I know
Speaker 3: is that based on her description of the mushroom farm
Speaker 3: and the house, I'm sure that she had to have
Speaker 3: been there. My brother and I both agree on this.
Speaker 3: We're absolutely sure and certain that she had to have
Speaker 3: been there to describe it as she did. I was
Speaker 3: able to track down another one of the ex chend
Speaker 3: armes named Emme Bille, who worked on the team investigating
Speaker 3: this case. Aimee is now writen hired and based in
Speaker 3: the south of France. Prior to working on the case,
Speaker 3: he had a stellar reputation as a heavy lifter with
Speaker 3: extreme attention to detail. Here's a translation of the key
Speaker 3: points from our.
Speaker 4: Interview Cavoil do champion eh.
Speaker 5: If you look at the old case file for the
Speaker 5: murder at the Mushroom Farm, you'll see that way back
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty seven, before Regina Loof's testimony, an informant
Speaker 5: told the police that if they wanted to solve the case,
Speaker 5: they should look at a bar called the Dolo. The
Speaker 5: Dolo was an infamous bar frequented by the mafia, politicians, police,
Speaker 5: and above all Nioul, who was known as a regular
Speaker 5: customer there before it was closed down and the owners
Speaker 5: were charged with facilitating prostitution. There were other things in
Speaker 5: the file that pointed towards Nioul and du True. For one,
Speaker 5: we know that Christine van Hayes was a regular visitor
Speaker 5: to the ice skating Rinkquey Mark Dudru was hanging out
Speaker 5: in the eighties, and that one of hers testified that
Speaker 5: she had a relationship with someone named Mark from chall Arois.
Speaker 5: This same friend later said that she recognized two old
Speaker 5: photos of de True from the early nineteen eighties as
Speaker 5: someone she had seen in the presence of Christine. Christine
Speaker 5: also frequented the swimming pool in Etterbake, in the same
Speaker 5: building where Niehul's radio station was based. At the time,
Speaker 5: police were very focused on a group of punk rockers
Speaker 5: who sometimes hung out at the Mushroom Farm. The initial
Speaker 5: tip pointing towards these punk rockers actually came from a
Speaker 5: colleague of Niehouls at the radio station, so that's how
Speaker 5: the whole investigation into the punk started. The judge responsible
Speaker 5: for the Champagnonire case and also responsible for closing down
Speaker 5: our investigation around Regina Loof, had once represented Niel's wife
Speaker 5: as a lawyer, and his sister was the godmother of
Speaker 5: Niel's child. So we have an informant pointing to a
Speaker 5: place where Niels spent all most every evening. We know
Speaker 5: the victim was spending a lot of time and places
Speaker 5: where Nihul and du True also spend time, and the
Speaker 5: person who led police to investigate the punks was actually
Speaker 5: an associate of Nieuls. When you combine all this with
Speaker 5: Regina Luf's testimony, it looks very suspicious for Nieu.
Speaker 3: If Regina Luf was telling the truth, Mark d' true
Speaker 3: was involved with Michelle Nihul in abducting, abusing, and murdering
Speaker 3: children in the mid nineteen eighties. We know that d
Speaker 3: tru was indeed actively abducting young girls at this time,
Speaker 3: but Nihoul is an important element here because he was
Speaker 3: never convicted of involvement with D'truz crimes. The official story
Speaker 3: from Belgian authorities is that Mark D True was an
Speaker 3: isolated predator who abducted children for his own perverted reasons,
Speaker 3: using only low level accomplices. But I interviewed another ex
Speaker 3: gendarmes with shocking revelations that fly in the face of
Speaker 3: the idea that the True was acting alone. Jean Pierre
Speaker 3: Adon was a gendarmes assigned to the the True task force.
Speaker 3: Just after Mark d Trux was arrested in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 3: my co producer Thomas and I once again found ourselves
Speaker 3: driving down to the south of Belgium to discuss some
Speaker 3: of the loose ends of this case. I think it's
Speaker 3: over here, number number three. We saw number five, so
Speaker 3: this has got to be it. But there's two houses here,
Speaker 3: so I don't know which one it is. Here we
Speaker 3: are again in the Ardennes. Believe or not.
Speaker 4: To their next see.
Speaker 3: Because your will be as oca. Jean Pierre told us
Speaker 3: about a curious visit he received from Jean de Nis
Speaker 3: le Jean a few months after his daughter Julie LeJean
Speaker 3: was found murdered at the Truz property.
Speaker 5: I got a visit from who came to provide a
Speaker 5: statement with his cousin, A restaurant owner from Challowis named
Speaker 5: Michel Pirout called them several times. He wanted to organize
Speaker 5: a benefit dinner in his restaurant near and all of
Speaker 5: the prophets would go to the Julian Melissa Association that
Speaker 5: was formed after the tru's rest. On the last call
Speaker 5: he made to them, Pierrot said that on the day
Speaker 5: of the dinner he would reveal information about the true
Speaker 5: and the girls. He would make public revelations, but he
Speaker 5: didn't want to say anything about him before a few
Speaker 5: days later, the Lea Johne family was watching TV and
Speaker 5: they saw a news bulletin about a restaurant owner from
Speaker 5: Challoois murdered in a parking lot. So they gave me
Speaker 5: sworn statement and the prosecutor Boulet, asked me to investigate
Speaker 5: the murder case in Challois and there I interviewed witnesses
Speaker 5: who said that Pierrot was going to make revelations about
Speaker 5: the true affair, and that Piau was not the kind
Speaker 5: of guy to whim power and that if he said it,
Speaker 5: he'd do it.
Speaker 3: So after threatening to go public with big revelations Piraut
Speaker 3: was murdered in a parking lot. That's certainly suspicious in
Speaker 3: and of itself, but it gets more interesting when you
Speaker 3: hear about this man. Michelle Pirout's link to another lead
Speaker 3: tied to the disappearance of Julie and Melissa.
Speaker 5: Michelle Pierrout Okay, Michelle Piau was a close friend of
Speaker 5: Roget Dupris, and Rochet Dupris was the owner of Le
Speaker 5: Carre Blanc, a nightclub in Chalais, and there was a
Speaker 5: whitness who reported seeing Julie and Melissa on the sidewalk
Speaker 5: next to the car with a young man after they disappeared.
Speaker 5: The witness said she crossed paths with the two girls
Speaker 5: and a young man and she said to herself that
Speaker 5: those are the girls she'd seen pictures off everywhere, and
Speaker 5: then when she turned around, they were gone, and it
Speaker 5: was just in front of the nightclub the car, And
Speaker 5: when de tru was arrested, she made the connection and
Speaker 5: she called the police eight hundred number, and she confirmed
Speaker 5: all of this to me in a sworn statement.
Speaker 3: It's not clear as to why the witness didn't immediately
Speaker 3: contact police when she recognized the girls outside of the club,
Speaker 3: but when she heard of Datru's arrest, she made the
Speaker 3: connection because d' tru'z house in charle Wa with the dungeon,
Speaker 3: was very close to this nightclub where she thought she
Speaker 3: saw the girls. In fact, it's less than half a
Speaker 3: mile away. So not only was Michel Pierreau suspiciously murdered,
Speaker 3: there was also a report that Julian Melissa were seen
Speaker 3: in front of a nightclub called the Cariban. This club owner,
Speaker 3: Roge Duprix, was a very rich underworld figure. Could Pierraut
Speaker 3: have been planning to reveal something about these sightings and
Speaker 3: the club before he was murdered. The connections go even
Speaker 3: deeper again. Jean Pierre adon.
Speaker 5: Llo's so Fiol and it happens that another nightclub owner
Speaker 5: named Jean Claude Mass lost his nightclub in a fire.
Speaker 5: Everything burned down, and directly afterwards, Roge Duprix came to
Speaker 5: see him. Instead, he had an apartment above his Carrivelon
Speaker 5: nightclub and that Jean Claude could stay there free while
Speaker 5: rebuilding his own club, and in exchange he could help
Speaker 5: out managing the carrey Blanc. And so he moved with
Speaker 5: his two kids and his wife into the apartment, and
Speaker 5: one day the kids went up into the attic. While playing,
Speaker 5: they broke through a thin wall and they noticed that
Speaker 5: there was a room behind the wall. So the father
Speaker 5: arrived and saw a mattress and some tissues with blood
Speaker 5: on them, and a little window with bars on it,
Speaker 5: exactly as if someone had been hidden there. I went
Speaker 5: to interview this mister mass with his kids. I interviewed
Speaker 5: all of them. They even drew a map showing how
Speaker 5: to access this hiding place.
Speaker 3: Could all of this just be attributed to coincidence? Julie
Speaker 3: and Melissa are reportedly spotted at a club less than
Speaker 3: a half a mile from De Dru's dungeon, and inside
Speaker 3: that club there's a hidden room with bars on the
Speaker 3: window and a mattress. We know that the True moved
Speaker 3: many of his victims around magically, so this does fit
Speaker 3: with his pattern. Jean Pierre Radon followed up internally about
Speaker 3: these claims.
Speaker 5: I of course requested a warrant to search the hiding place,
Speaker 5: and the judge came to me and said he wouldn't
Speaker 5: grant the warrant. He said it wasn't up to him
Speaker 5: to attack the mafia of shallow wa A search with
Speaker 5: the forensic team to analyze all of the hairs and
Speaker 5: blood and so on would have probably found the DNA
Speaker 5: of Sile and Melissa, and I still affirm today that
Speaker 5: the reason they didn't grant me a warrant is that
Speaker 5: they were afraid to open the door to a possible
Speaker 5: wider network.
Speaker 3: It certainly appears more than plausible that the True was
Speaker 3: involved with a wider human trafficking network. While circumstantial, the
Speaker 3: evidence and connections are overwhelming. If this narrative is true,
Speaker 3: it would mean that there are other accomplices, either directly
Speaker 3: or indirectly involved with kidnapping, abuse, and murder of several
Speaker 3: young girls, and most of those accomplices were never brought
Speaker 3: to justice and are likely walking freely in the world today. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: while Inspector Jean Pierradon continued to investigate the case, something
Speaker 3: happened that took everyone by surprise. Mark the True, the
Speaker 3: most reviled criminal in Belgian history, escaped.
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