WEBVTT - X Files [9] 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:04.400 The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:08.280 those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast, 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.400 and do not represent those of iHeartMedia, Tenderfoot TV, or 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.680 their employees. This podcast also contained subject matter which may 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.520 not be suitable for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:29.120 The True was a secondary figure. He was responsible for 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:33.120 bringing drugs and girls at the parties. Nihoul was the boss. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.000 The True is more on the side. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.080 These are the words of Regina Loof read by a translator. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.000 When de True was arrested, she said that she recognized 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:47.120 his face on the news. She also recognized Michel Niehul, 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:52.280 who was also arrested on suspicion of involvement. Regina Loof 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.800 claimed that she had been abused by Nihoul as a 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.160 young teenager and had witnessed terrible abuse of others at 0:00:58.160 --> 0:00:58.720 his hands. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.760 From the age of twelve. My grandmother forced me to 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.560 be a prostitute. I was brought to orgies. Everyone was 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.720 drinking a lot of alcohol. There are sometimes other children there. 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:15.400 Nihul was very often there with his wife. I remember 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.120 Jean michel Nut as a very cruel man. He abused 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:24.320 children in a very sadistic way. Sometimes during these parties, 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.319 they would put us outside a large garden. The adults 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.000 would chase us, and whoever cut one of us could 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.080 do whatever they wanted. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:52.080 I'm psychobat with somebody who understands emotions. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.640 And I told them it is very exceptional that somebody 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.160 abducts two children at the same time. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.400 Nineteen eighty six. But my gods, it was just a beginning. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.320 I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:22.720 Welcome to La Monstra. I'm your host, Matt Graves. You'll 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.520 recall that after the initial arrest of d True, his 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.880 wife Michelle Martin, and accomplice Michel Lelievre, there is another 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.320 arrest of a man named Michel Nihoul. The arrest of 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.280 Nihoul was the beginning of two narratives in this country 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.919 which still persist today, one in which the True and 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.480 his accomplices were an isolated groove, and another in which 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.239 the True was part of something much larger, a child's 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:54.239 sex trafficking network. The isolated group narrative was widely accepted 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.760 by Belgian law enforcement and the mainstream media. However, there 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.040 are several disturbing facts that point to the narrative of 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:08.280 a larger child trafficking network with powerful connections. Michel Niehul, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.160 with all of his power and influence, lies at the 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:15.800 heart of this second narrative. You recall that telephone records 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.720 showed that Nihoul had a flurry of phone calls with 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:22.040 both d'true and his accomplice le Lievre leading up to 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.840 the last disappearance of Letitia de LEAs, and that he 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.680 gave them about fifteen thousand dollars worth of ecstasy pills 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:33.480 on the day after she was kidnapped. During early interrogations, 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.080 da True and le Lievre spoke a lot about Nihoul. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.160 They said he was a hustler with a lot of 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:44.280 influence who organized orgies. Dtrue said that Nihoul told him 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:48.800 that sadomasochist orgies were the most profitable, and that Nihoul 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:54.800 was a fervent satamassachist himself. It was an open secret 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:59.440 that Nihoul regularly organized orgies, even people close to him, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.840 and in fact, his own lawyer admitted that Nihoul frequently 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:08.080 participated in secret sex parties. He described himself as a 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:12.080 man of all seasons and was the consummate networker involved 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.760 in both business and politics. From various business ventures to 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.400 public relations to political campaign consulting, Nihoul was a man 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:25.800 of influence, with connections across the spectrum. He even had 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:30.000 his own radio show in Brussels. Several people close to 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.320 Nihouol described him as an excellent salesman and a show 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.680 off who liked to spin big and drink and party excessively. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.520 With several bankruptcies to his name, Nihoul also had a 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.039 rap sheet with convictions for fraud, bad checks and breach 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:50.279 of trust based on records showing frequent telephone conversations between 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.520 De True, l Lievre and Nihoul leading up to the 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.040 kidnapping of Letitia and the early testimony of d True 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:01.800 and the Lievre about Nihoul's possible involvement. He was arrested 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:06.520 and his face was plastered all over the media. Regina Loof, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.880 the girl whose words you heard the start of this episode, 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.200 had a friend who contacted police to explain that she 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.320 knew someone who had concrete information about the True and 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:22.560 the corrupt businessman Michelle Nihul. The friend she was referring 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:28.599 to was Regina Loof. Regina didn't initially want to testify, 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.040 but she was eventually convinced to speak with police on record. 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.159 What the reaction was, what we've seen the True that's bad. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:41.159 It's like two four six kids that were adducted forward 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.080 dead too were still found back alive. That was terrible 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.839 for Belgium. But if what Regina was saying was even 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.080 half of it true, it would be ten times worse. 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.040 This is the voice of Rudy Hoskins, who was the 0:05:55.080 --> 0:06:00.120 investigative lead on the team signed to interview Regina Loofod. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.560 Hoskins is currently a partner at one of the prestigious 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.200 Big four global accounting and consulting firms, where he's a 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.920 confidence leader in forensic services. Earlier in his career, Rudy 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:16.840 was a Belgian federal police officer or gendarme for sixteen years. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.960 In nineteen ninety six, he and his colleagues Amey Bill, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.120 Patrick de Batts and Philippe Uppe were assigned by Judge 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.880 Conrad to interview anonymous witnesses who had come forward after 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.240 seeing the arrests of the True and Nihoul on television. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.240 To protect the identities of witnesses, the police called them 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:40.159 X one, X two, X three and so on. X 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.320 one was Regina aloof who claimed she had been abused 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:44.880 by the true and Nihoul. 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.240 Then we had that first interview and now we sat together. Okay, 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.359 what's we're going to do with that? This lady is 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:57.080 completely crazy? That was her first assessment. Right, all the 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.440 things he is telling us this is not possible, cannot 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.560 be true. And also the names she was clothing were 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:09.160 people of of high society. Yeah, politicians, heads of captains 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:15.360 of industry, magistrates, police people. So this cannot be true. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.040 This is too much. Right. That was a bit the 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.720 first feeling, I think. And when did you start to 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.760 believe her? When we started finding the first I would say, 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.840 the first evidence is what we said that we could 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.320 confirm that in the field or through public records or 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:32.960 to whatever. 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.920 The story of Regina Luf is both perplexing and tragic. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.880 She was sexually abused by adults as a young girl 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:46.520 and into her teenage years. For obvious reasons, this affected 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.680 her psychologically, and she showed clear signs of mental instability 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.160 during her interviews. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.440 Yeah, and Nancy started talking about cases where she was 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:02.560 not only abused, but where she also witnessed. Although I 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:07.040 would say friends or children that were abused and even 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.040 murdered and then when we hurt murders are Okay, that's interesting, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.320 because if there's a murder, there must have been a body. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.880 There must be a cold case somewhere, so talk to 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:16.440 us about that. 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.880 She described two horrifying experiences where she had witnessed the 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.800 abuse and murder of other young girls. Hoskins and his 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.040 colleagues drilled into her accounts of these experiences in a 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.559 series of long and grueling interviews, while Hoskins gathered details 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:38.360 and investigated possible links to unsolved cases. Because the timeline 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.000 and description aligned with an unsolved abuse and murder case. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.400 To understand this cold case, we have to go back 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:52.040 to nineteen eighty four, twelve years before the bodies of Julie, Melissa, 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.560 Anne and Efia were found murdered on the properties of 0:08:55.600 --> 0:09:00.160 Mark de True. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:01.679 Those comed up. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.960 Okay, it happened less than two miles from where I 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:11.800 live today. A young journalist, Jean Savigna, is helping me 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.400 with this part of the project. We wanted to see 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:18.400 where this crime was committed almost forty years ago in 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.040 nineteen eighty four. This was the side of a place 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.440 known as La Champignnere, which means mushroom. Farm in French. 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.240 You can see if you look at the pictures, actually 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.640 you can might that could be that true. 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.720 Yeah, I love scary place. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.439 Yeah yeah, these pictures. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.520 You really scary. For Give me the chill. 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.400 The mushroom farm had been abandoned in nineteen seventy three. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.040 The only pictures left of this place are black and white, 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.960 and they have a sinister feel to them. Maybe it's 0:09:49.000 --> 0:10:03.880 just because I know what happened here. It was cold 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.680 and dark on the evening of February thirteenth, nineteen eighty four, 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.679 when a local passerby noticed smoke coming from the abandoned 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:16.400 mushroom farm in the commune of Odigem in Brussels. The 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.720 passerby called the fire department to report the smoke in 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.800 case there was a fire that needed to be put out. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.480 When fire crews arrived, they determined the smoke was coming 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.720 from one of the old basements of the mushroom farm. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.480 It was a routine call and it didn't appear that 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.040 anyone was in danger, so they sent a small team 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.959 to go check out the source of the fire. After 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.600 weaving through a labyrinth of underground hallways, they arrived in 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.040 a basement where they found a heap of crates and 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:52.560 trash on fire and proceeded to extinguish it. When the 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.400 flames were put out, they started to separate the debris 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.040 to make sure everything was extinguished. One of the firemen 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.480 noticed a string object under the debris that didn't look 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:08.520 like it belonged there. It looked distinctly human, but was 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:14.800 twisted into an odd shape. To their horror, they realized 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:22.080 it was indeed a partially burned and mutilated body. The 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.520 victim's arms and feet had been tied behind their back 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.680 and looped around their neck into an arching position with 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:34.040 metal wire. The hands were missing and the legs were damaged. 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.760 Initial responders said that they saw a nail planted into 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:43.439 one of the severed hands. It was declared a crime scene, 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.320 and investigators quickly determined that it was likely a teenage girl. 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.600 As they sifted through the scene, they found jewelry and 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.720 a partially burned school notebook that enabled them to identify 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:01.480 the victim. It was sixteen year old Christine van His. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.120 Only hours before. Her parents had called the police to 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.199 declare her missing when she didn't return home from school 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:16.440 the same day. The autopsy determined that she died prior 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.679 to when the fire was set, and that she had 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.000 been tortured and raped before being strangled to death with 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:27.920 electric wires. Again the former gendarme Rudy Hoskins. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:33.120 Yeah, the things she told us, she couldn't have known 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.040 without having been there or witnessed it. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.560 Regina loose account of the abuse and murder of a 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:42.760 girl named Christine was strikingly similar to the circumstances of 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.520 the infamous murder of Christine van Has at the Champagnoniere. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.200 And now we said, okay, shit, this girl is really talking. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.320 And then we went more in depth, asking for more 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.040 details like the championnaires to described the house, how she 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.679 went in there, and even also details for example, if 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.720 you go into a house, okay, normally in the house 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.120 you go stairs up and then you go in. In 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.840 that case, you went like stairs down and then you 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.520 go in. So it was like specific things we could check. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.560 So we found all the pictures of the house where 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:16.280 you see the stairs going down. For example, we went 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.439 to get the file out of the Justice Pallace and 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:24.280 Brussels where we went to look for the pictures. How 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.200 did it look like internally? There were a lot of 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.080 pictures taken because there was a body that was burned inside, 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.200 and how the body was killed, and how it was 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.160 like with the kind of iron. I don't remember the 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.880 details anymore, but with iron and stuff at certain places 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.680 in the body. And if you looked at the pictures 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.360 from the it was not the corpse anymore, it was burnt. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.760 You saw these irons. At that specific points in time. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:50.559 Rudy Hoskins and his team became increasingly convinced that Regina 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.079 Loof had witnessed the gruesome murder of Christine van Has. 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.560 All of our testimony was witnessed by several officers and 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:04.200 even magistrates, and it was meticulously recorded. Unfortunately, there's no 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.960 such thing as a Freedom of Information Act request for 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.079 such material in Belgium, but I was able to get 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.920 my hands on the transcripts. What you're about to hear 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:19.240 is a reading from transcripts of Regina Loose's testimony. Warning 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.479 this is extremely disturbing. 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.240 There was a drawing of names to decide, for example, 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.040 which one of the two girls were going to suffer. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:35.280 Who was the second girl, Christine? What happened to Christine? 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.880 She was sacrificed. She streamed so much for someone. 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.320 To hear her what made her scream the true. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.800 Nihol and his wife. They tortured her. They tied her 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.600 up and spread her legs on the table. She couldn't 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.840 even defend herself. They put something inside of her. They 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.840 were hurting her and raping her, and they burn her. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.520 They what they burn her. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.000 Police were astounded by what they were hearing. She hadn't 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.760 made a direct connection to the Christine van Hanes case, 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.880 but her descriptions of the circumstances of this terrifying experience 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:17.840 were strikingly similar to the infamous cold case. What made 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.040 this difficult for police was that Regina Loof had herself 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.520 been a victim and she was dealing with her own 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.160 trauma at the time. The horrible things that happened to 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.160 her over the years made questioning her very difficult. There 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.880 were many long pauses where she would just shut down. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.360 Sometimes these bouts of silence could last as long as 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:37.800 an hour. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.680 She must have read it somewhere. Yeah, she must have 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:47.440 had access to the judicial file, or she must have 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.480 known a lawyer, or she must have been there. That 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.400 was not clear for us. So what we did is 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.360 we did a house search in our house to find 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.560 because We also thought, hey, guys seem to have read 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.880 that somewhere or had contact with somebody. So we did 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.840 out search. We went to every page, to every book. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.560 Is there something in a book, in a newspaper and 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.720 old magazine where she could have read it. We didn't 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.640 find anything, but still there were a lot of things 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.320 that we could check and prove, and at a certain 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.120 point in time, I would say we started believing. 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.360 I remember it like it's a film in my head. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.720 I can close my eyes and see every little details 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.760 of that house where she was murdered. It was a 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.440 sort of bondage, so her legs and her hands and 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.400 her throat were connected with the same rope, and when 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.480 she moved, she strangled herself. Yeah. 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.640 By the time of these interrogations, the old mushroom farm 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:50.400 and adjoining house had been demolished, so investigators reached out 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.640 to the family who had lived there beforehand. A man 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.240 and his brother who had grown up there were convinced 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.280 that Regina Loof must have been there before based on 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.960 her description the property. These are his words, not his voice. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.720 It was two houses that had been combined into a 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.360 single dwelling, with the unique passage of stairs and hallways. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.560 No one could describe it unless they had been there. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.160 There was a hallway joining two houses, and she drew 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:22.240 a picture of the doors inside. They were antique doors, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.439 and she drew the moldings. She described the wallpaper and 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.879 the front step. I don't know who could have described 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.879 it so accurately if they hadn't been there. I don't 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.199 know Regine Aloof, I've never met her. All I know 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.720 is that based on her description of the mushroom farm 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.199 and the house, I'm sure that she had to have 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.359 been there. My brother and I both agree on this. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.879 We're absolutely sure and certain that she had to have 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.040 been there to describe it as she did. I was 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.320 able to track down another one of the ex chend 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.600 armes named Emme Bille, who worked on the team investigating 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.000 this case. Aimee is now writen hired and based in 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.080 the south of France. Prior to working on the case, 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.000 he had a stellar reputation as a heavy lifter with 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.720 extreme attention to detail. Here's a translation of the key 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:11.639 points from our. 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.040 Interview Cavoil do champion eh. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.159 If you look at the old case file for the 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.320 murder at the Mushroom Farm, you'll see that way back 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.760 in nineteen eighty seven, before Regina Loof's testimony, an informant 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.440 told the police that if they wanted to solve the case, 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.879 they should look at a bar called the Dolo. The 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:35.720 Dolo was an infamous bar frequented by the mafia, politicians, police, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.240 and above all Nioul, who was known as a regular 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.679 customer there before it was closed down and the owners 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.800 were charged with facilitating prostitution. There were other things in 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:51.439 the file that pointed towards Nioul and du True. For one, 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.760 we know that Christine van Hayes was a regular visitor 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.880 to the ice skating Rinkquey Mark Dudru was hanging out 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.960 in the eighties, and that one of hers testified that 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.480 she had a relationship with someone named Mark from chall Arois. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.320 This same friend later said that she recognized two old 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.880 photos of de True from the early nineteen eighties as 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:17.200 someone she had seen in the presence of Christine. Christine 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.359 also frequented the swimming pool in Etterbake, in the same 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:24.440 building where Niehul's radio station was based. At the time, 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.880 police were very focused on a group of punk rockers 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.679 who sometimes hung out at the Mushroom Farm. The initial 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.959 tip pointing towards these punk rockers actually came from a 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.919 colleague of Niehouls at the radio station, so that's how 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:43.280 the whole investigation into the punk started. The judge responsible 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:47.080 for the Champagnonire case and also responsible for closing down 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:51.200 our investigation around Regina Loof, had once represented Niel's wife 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.879 as a lawyer, and his sister was the godmother of 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:58.320 Niel's child. So we have an informant pointing to a 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.800 place where Niels spent all most every evening. We know 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.520 the victim was spending a lot of time and places 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.919 where Nihul and du True also spend time, and the 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.960 person who led police to investigate the punks was actually 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:16.320 an associate of Nieuls. When you combine all this with 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:20.320 Regina Luf's testimony, it looks very suspicious for Nieu. 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.960 If Regina Luf was telling the truth, Mark d' true 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.920 was involved with Michelle Nihul in abducting, abusing, and murdering 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.119 children in the mid nineteen eighties. We know that d 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.280 tru was indeed actively abducting young girls at this time, 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.280 but Nihoul is an important element here because he was 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:47.800 never convicted of involvement with D'truz crimes. The official story 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:50.679 from Belgian authorities is that Mark D True was an 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:54.560 isolated predator who abducted children for his own perverted reasons, 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:59.440 using only low level accomplices. But I interviewed another ex 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.920 gendarmes with shocking revelations that fly in the face of 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.679 the idea that the True was acting alone. Jean Pierre 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.480 Adon was a gendarmes assigned to the the True task force. 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.480 Just after Mark d Trux was arrested in nineteen ninety six, 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.760 my co producer Thomas and I once again found ourselves 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.159 driving down to the south of Belgium to discuss some 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:27.000 of the loose ends of this case. I think it's 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:31.600 over here, number number three. We saw number five, so 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.720 this has got to be it. But there's two houses here, 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.800 so I don't know which one it is. Here we 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:37.720 are again in the Ardennes. Believe or not. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.520 To their next see. 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:56.600 Because your will be as oca. Jean Pierre told us 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.640 about a curious visit he received from Jean de Nis 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.960 le Jean a few months after his daughter Julie LeJean 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.200 was found murdered at the Truz property. 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.720 I got a visit from who came to provide a 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:19.720 statement with his cousin, A restaurant owner from Challowis named 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:25.159 Michel Pirout called them several times. He wanted to organize 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:29.359 a benefit dinner in his restaurant near and all of 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:33.359 the prophets would go to the Julian Melissa Association that 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:39.800 was formed after the tru's rest. On the last call 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.760 he made to them, Pierrot said that on the day 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.680 of the dinner he would reveal information about the true 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:51.680 and the girls. He would make public revelations, but he 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.480 didn't want to say anything about him before a few 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.399 days later, the Lea Johne family was watching TV and 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.240 they saw a news bulletin about a restaurant owner from 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:06.080 Challoois murdered in a parking lot. So they gave me 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:09.680 sworn statement and the prosecutor Boulet, asked me to investigate 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:15.400 the murder case in Challois and there I interviewed witnesses 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.280 who said that Pierrot was going to make revelations about 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.680 the true affair, and that Piau was not the kind 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.040 of guy to whim power and that if he said it, 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:23.960 he'd do it. 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:29.280 So after threatening to go public with big revelations Piraut 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:33.359 was murdered in a parking lot. That's certainly suspicious in 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.439 and of itself, but it gets more interesting when you 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:40.200 hear about this man. Michelle Pirout's link to another lead 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:49.159 tied to the disappearance of Julie and Melissa. 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:50.119 Michelle Pierrout Okay, Michelle Piau was a close friend of 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:55.040 Roget Dupris, and Rochet Dupris was the owner of Le 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.639 Carre Blanc, a nightclub in Chalais, and there was a 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:04.080 whitness who reported seeing Julie and Melissa on the sidewalk 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:10.320 next to the car with a young man after they disappeared. 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:16.240 The witness said she crossed paths with the two girls 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.280 and a young man and she said to herself that 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.320 those are the girls she'd seen pictures off everywhere, and 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:26.720 then when she turned around, they were gone, and it 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:30.840 was just in front of the nightclub the car, And 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:34.000 when de tru was arrested, she made the connection and 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:36.840 she called the police eight hundred number, and she confirmed 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:38.800 all of this to me in a sworn statement. 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.760 It's not clear as to why the witness didn't immediately 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.960 contact police when she recognized the girls outside of the club, 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:49.879 but when she heard of Datru's arrest, she made the 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.400 connection because d' tru'z house in charle Wa with the dungeon, 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:56.080 was very close to this nightclub where she thought she 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.960 saw the girls. In fact, it's less than half a 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:03.640 mile away. So not only was Michel Pierreau suspiciously murdered, 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.280 there was also a report that Julian Melissa were seen 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:11.840 in front of a nightclub called the Cariban. This club owner, 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:17.280 Roge Duprix, was a very rich underworld figure. Could Pierraut 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:20.119 have been planning to reveal something about these sightings and 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:24.760 the club before he was murdered. The connections go even 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:28.400 deeper again. Jean Pierre adon. 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:35.800 Llo's so Fiol and it happens that another nightclub owner 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:40.520 named Jean Claude Mass lost his nightclub in a fire. 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:47.320 Everything burned down, and directly afterwards, Roge Duprix came to 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.320 see him. Instead, he had an apartment above his Carrivelon 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:54.840 nightclub and that Jean Claude could stay there free while 0:25:55.000 --> 0:26:01.040 rebuilding his own club, and in exchange he could help 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:05.000 out managing the carrey Blanc. And so he moved with 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:09.080 his two kids and his wife into the apartment, and 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:13.600 one day the kids went up into the attic. While playing, 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.680