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Speaker 2: The True was a secondary figure. He was responsible for

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Speaker 2: bringing drugs and girls at the parties. Nihoul was the boss.

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Speaker 2: The True is more on the side.

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Speaker 3: These are the words of Regina Loof read by a translator.

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Speaker 3: When de True was arrested, she said that she recognized

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Speaker 3: his face on the news. She also recognized Michel Niehul,

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Speaker 3: who was also arrested on suspicion of involvement. Regina Loof

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Speaker 3: claimed that she had been abused by Nihoul as a

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Speaker 3: young teenager and had witnessed terrible abuse of others at

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Speaker 2: From the age of twelve. My grandmother forced me to

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Speaker 2: be a prostitute. I was brought to orgies. Everyone was

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Speaker 2: drinking a lot of alcohol. There are sometimes other children there.

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Speaker 2: Nihul was very often there with his wife. I remember

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Speaker 2: Jean michel Nut as a very cruel man. He abused

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Speaker 2: they would put us outside a large garden. The adults

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Speaker 2: would chase us, and whoever cut one of us could

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Speaker 4: I'm psychobat with somebody who understands emotions.

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Speaker 2: And I told them it is very exceptional that somebody

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Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty six. But my gods, it was just a beginning.

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Speaker 4: I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to La Monstra. I'm your host, Matt Graves. You'll

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Speaker 3: recall that after the initial arrest of d True, his

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Speaker 3: arrest of a man named Michel Nihoul. The arrest of

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Speaker 3: Nihoul was the beginning of two narratives in this country

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Speaker 3: which still persist today, one in which the True and

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Speaker 3: his accomplices were an isolated groove, and another in which

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Speaker 3: the True was part of something much larger, a child's

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Speaker 3: sex trafficking network. The isolated group narrative was widely accepted

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Speaker 3: and in fact, his own lawyer admitted that Nihoul frequently

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Speaker 4: What the reaction was, what we've seen the True that's bad.

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Speaker 3: This is the voice of Rudy Hoskins, who was the

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Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety six, he and his colleagues Amey Bill,

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Speaker 4: what's we're going to do with that? This lady is

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Speaker 3: The story of Regina Luf is both perplexing and tragic.

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Speaker 3: She was sexually abused by adults as a young girl

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Speaker 4: There must be a cold case somewhere, so talk to

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Speaker 3: She described two horrifying experiences where she had witnessed the

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Speaker 3: To understand this cold case, we have to go back

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Speaker 3: where this crime was committed almost forty years ago in

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four. This was the side of a place

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Speaker 3: known as La Champignnere, which means mushroom. Farm in French.

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Speaker 3: You can see if you look at the pictures, actually

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Speaker 3: The mushroom farm had been abandoned in nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 4: And now we said, okay, shit, this girl is really talking.

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Speaker 4: You saw these irons. At that specific points in time.

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Speaker 3: Rudy Hoskins and his team became increasingly convinced that Regina

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Speaker 3: Loof had witnessed the gruesome murder of Christine van Has.

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Speaker 3: Police were astounded by what they were hearing. She hadn't

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Speaker 3: By the time of these interrogations, the old mushroom farm

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Speaker 5: If you look at the old case file for the

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Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty seven, before Regina Loof's testimony, an informant

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Speaker 3: If Regina Luf was telling the truth, Mark d' true

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Speaker 3: Just after Mark d Trux was arrested in nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 3: this has got to be it. But there's two houses here,

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Speaker 4: To their next see.

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Speaker 3: Because your will be as oca. Jean Pierre told us

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Speaker 5: I got a visit from who came to provide a

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Speaker 5: Michel Pirout called them several times. He wanted to organize

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Speaker 5: they saw a news bulletin about a restaurant owner from

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Speaker 3: So after threatening to go public with big revelations Piraut

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Speaker 5: Michelle Pierrout Okay, Michelle Piau was a close friend of

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Speaker 3: It's not clear as to why the witness didn't immediately

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Speaker 3: there was also a report that Julian Melissa were seen

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Speaker 3: in front of a nightclub called the Cariban. This club owner,

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Speaker 5: Llo's so Fiol and it happens that another nightclub owner

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Speaker 5: Everything burned down, and directly afterwards, Roge Duprix came to

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Speaker 5: exactly as if someone had been hidden there. I went

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Speaker 3: Could all of this just be attributed to coincidence? Julie

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Speaker 5: I of course requested a warrant to search the hiding place,

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Speaker 3: It certainly appears more than plausible that the True was

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