Speaker 1: I welcome to episode eight eight of the Bobby Cast
Speaker 1: and with Chris Stapleton. Good to see you, budd. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I was like, I wonder if Chris
Speaker 1: is gonna show up with all these people, because when
Speaker 1: you come in to the radio, like everybody, all the
Speaker 1: labels gotta come all check all the managements. Guy, I
Speaker 1: gotta come. And you just came to the house by yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much pretty much you got. Did you have guards
Speaker 1: us at the door waiting? There's six security guards down serious?
Speaker 1: Doesn't mind? Those are mine though, ye, no, just me man,
Speaker 1: just me home. I was. You know, I have from
Speaker 1: a Room volume one obviously, and some of up two
Speaker 1: have downloaded and streams of them. What was interesting to
Speaker 1: me though, was that you had recorded all this before Traveler,
Speaker 1: like I had all these songs, all the songs. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: all these songs pre date that or they're in the
Speaker 1: same time frame, So there's nothing. There's nothing new, I
Speaker 1: guess technically as as far as songwriting goes, does it
Speaker 1: feel like they're not news they or do they feel
Speaker 1: news since you just recorded that? No, they're new to
Speaker 1: me in a lot of ways because a lot of
Speaker 1: them I have never played live. I've never you know,
Speaker 1: attempted in bands or anything. You know, they're just their
Speaker 1: songs that I love and I've had a round and
Speaker 1: so yeah, they're new in that sense, and they're always
Speaker 1: new to people that haven't heard them before. So it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if they're seventy five years old. Nobody's ever
Speaker 1: heard of them. You know, it's it's it's all relative.
Speaker 1: Would you do this again and do the two records
Speaker 1: somewhat close together? Maybe maybe not? You know, I sure
Speaker 1: do like it um because it gives you know, it
Speaker 1: gives it's my version of content. My labels always looking
Speaker 1: for content. I was like, well, how am I just
Speaker 1: more music instead of a cute video piece. I'll just
Speaker 1: put out another record. Yeah, that's that's kind of my
Speaker 1: version of content. That's funny, it's more music. So and
Speaker 1: we'll come back and back around to the record. I think,
Speaker 1: do you realize how kind of mysterious you are too? People? No,
Speaker 1: you don't because you are No I am I Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you are, Like I'm telling you, like, either there's this
Speaker 1: this this mysterious think of me because you know, get
Speaker 1: to know you over the past, you know, a couple
Speaker 1: few years. You're not a guy that likes to be
Speaker 1: out talking on every microphone, and I think that makes
Speaker 1: people crave. Oh, like what's he That's not anything that's deliberate,
Speaker 1: that's just that's just how I am, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's not I mean, interrupt your problem. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know some people might think that's some kind of
Speaker 1: plan or employe or something. But I you know, I
Speaker 1: like to talk to people that I enjoy talking to
Speaker 1: you and and and I'm okay with that. And I
Speaker 1: realized that that, you know, I have, you know, an
Speaker 1: obligation to myself to go talk a little bit, even
Speaker 1: though that's not the most comfortable space for me. I'd
Speaker 1: rather be on stage, you know, playing, But that's you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes talking about myself is hard. You know, that's a
Speaker 1: hard thing to do. Like it's a hard thing to
Speaker 1: get used to, like, well, tell me about yourself, you know,
Speaker 1: like everybody, you know, if you've never done that before,
Speaker 1: do you remember the first time somebody ever told you
Speaker 1: to tell tell them about yourself? Like I think I
Speaker 1: had to force my Like seriously, I come from a
Speaker 1: place where nobody wanted to know about me. You know.
Speaker 1: So I think I always had to make people go, hey, don't, don't,
Speaker 1: don't forget about me. So it was it was different
Speaker 1: from me, like I felt like I had to make
Speaker 1: people to notice me. Okay, maybe I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Everybody's experience is different. But I was just never comfortable,
Speaker 1: like I kind of like to do my thing and
Speaker 1: just hang out, you know. I'm okay, it's weird you
Speaker 1: bring that up. I wasn't. I wasn't therapy today. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever done it therapy. I wasn't
Speaker 1: therapy today. I was talking to my my therapist. And
Speaker 1: it was until I grew up, and I didn't have
Speaker 1: a dad growing up. He'd left. My mom died of
Speaker 1: a drug overdose in the forties, and so um, she
Speaker 1: was an attic and she was an alcoholic, and so
Speaker 1: I never really had a relationship with either one of them.
Speaker 1: Like I literally never had a conversation with a parent
Speaker 1: my entire life, like not a single conversation. So it was,
Speaker 1: and I was talking today about it, and that's weird.
Speaker 1: When you start to kind of dive into these things
Speaker 1: and you go you try to climb back through these memories,
Speaker 1: and it was that I always had to fight for
Speaker 1: attention because I didn't get it because I didn't have
Speaker 1: It's funny you asked that question. I just went to
Speaker 1: this today and that was my thing. I had to
Speaker 1: like crave, fight for attention wherever a school because I
Speaker 1: didn't get it at home. So when you say that,
Speaker 1: I just it's oddly. I just had this conversation. I
Speaker 1: paid a hundred forty bucks to have this. I got
Speaker 1: saved a bunch of money, did this. So you're growing
Speaker 1: up living in Kentucky. But what was it like? What
Speaker 1: was it? What was it like around the house. Well,
Speaker 1: it's very different. You know what I had. I had
Speaker 1: both my parents and both of my parents were very
Speaker 1: uh you know, kind of straight U folks. And I
Speaker 1: had great I had a great home life really growing up.
Speaker 1: And um, so I was real fortunate in that. And
Speaker 1: so I didn't but you know, I'm so sorry. No, No,
Speaker 1: I was the hand that I'm just an open book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I realized that. And I'm realizing I made a
Speaker 1: comment about drinking earlier, and i'd probably and that's the
Speaker 1: thing for me too. I have to fake drinking so
Speaker 1: people don't go Hey, I don't want to because for me,
Speaker 1: I've never had a drinking alcohol. But it's not because
Speaker 1: I I want to drink like crazy, like I would
Speaker 1: love But I know, Chris, I would drink at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well and that you know at this point, I don't
Speaker 1: know how old you're on, but yeah, probably I would
Speaker 1: drink everything. I would just not want to drink. I
Speaker 1: would have all the drinks. Yeah, and so you know,
Speaker 1: all or nothing guy, because I go to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm an addict for anything. Yes, phones, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: walking down the street. It doesn't exercise. It's the subway sandwich.
Speaker 1: I must have the same sandwich every day for three months,
Speaker 1: right if you like it. If I like it, and
Speaker 1: it's the same thing every day, Okay, So yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's why I don't. That's why I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: touch it. It's it's smart. Let me ask you a question,
Speaker 1: all right, honestly, you're gonna be honest. Thing. So, I
Speaker 1: I guess I've never had drink alcohol, and I've never
Speaker 1: tried an illegal drug and I have I've never smoked weed.
Speaker 1: But like I have my stress, My it's it's so
Speaker 1: hardcore my anxiety, Like like I've been thinking about it.
Speaker 1: It's it's not legal here, but like these edibles, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they have things in Colorado and plushes like
Speaker 1: that where uh it's not even like to get you high.
Speaker 1: It's just like but what now if we not want
Speaker 1: to get high though, Like if I were going to
Speaker 1: probably but you know, if you know, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: have fun, but something but it not tastes good, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just you know, some of it just
Speaker 1: makes you want to go to sleep and eat a
Speaker 1: big mac, you know, or not necessarily in that order
Speaker 1: or sometimes in that order. You know, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: but I think it definitely would have you know, if
Speaker 1: you if you need something to mellow you out, that's
Speaker 1: what I need something to mellow me out. I think
Speaker 1: that that way more than alcohol is. And I'm probably
Speaker 1: you know, getting controversial or something out of here, but
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've met a lot more people who
Speaker 1: are a lot more even on that than than people
Speaker 1: who are you know, Ebjecquelin Hide on alcohol. I think, um,
Speaker 1: you know, personally, I think it's a lot safer than alcohol.
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor in here in any way endorsing
Speaker 1: any medical things about it, but I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's enough research around that that it could
Speaker 1: help somebody. You know, there's a there's real medicinal purposes
Speaker 1: for even in athletics. These football players are like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: you're putting us on all these prescriptions, but this, you know,
Speaker 1: medicinal marijuana, like you were talking about cutting the pain
Speaker 1: out and it'd be a natural. Listen. And I've never
Speaker 1: tried it, but I'm taking the advocate of it. It's odd.
Speaker 1: I've never I've never once touched it, but I'm such
Speaker 1: an advocate. But listen, if it was if it was
Speaker 1: completely legal and then had no or your rule follower,
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of rule followers on some levels. But um,
Speaker 1: if it was legal, like all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: was federally legal and all of a sudden you could
Speaker 1: go down to wherever and get it in a non
Speaker 1: mind offering way to help anxiety, would you take it? Then? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it'd be if the doctor was like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I had trouble because I got addicted to sleeping pills
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't sleep well anxiety and I
Speaker 1: gotta addicted to sleep pills, and I had to go,
Speaker 1: and for lack of a better term, I had to
Speaker 1: like clean clean up and just go through with all
Speaker 1: the with draws and got really sick and so horrible. Man,
Speaker 1: I had bad insomni when I was a kid, and
Speaker 1: I had to take sleeping pills, right, didn't have to.
Speaker 1: I try to take a sleeping pills. They mess you up.
Speaker 1: It was the worst thing ever. I hated it. Did
Speaker 1: you ever wake up and not remember? Like as I
Speaker 1: would wake up and look at my computer and I
Speaker 1: had like FaceTime like five people. And I never drunk
Speaker 1: dial with anybody, but I sleeping pill dial people. Well
Speaker 1: back then they didn't have like Amy. It was yeah
Speaker 1: it's Laura, which is kind of like ambient. I don't
Speaker 1: know enough sleeping pills, but whatever they had me on,
Speaker 1: I would sleep like a rock for like twelve hours
Speaker 1: and then the other twelve hours I was like a zombie.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what sleeping pills did me. And I
Speaker 1: don't like sleeping bills. I don't like pills in general,
Speaker 1: you know, but you know they're necessary things sometimes. But
Speaker 1: I was reading this book about sleep. You feel like
Speaker 1: you sleep? Okay, no, no, you don't know. I'm I'm I'm,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a good sleeper. Most of the time.
Speaker 1: I was reading this book about sleep and they talk
Speaker 1: about how it's um like oxygen, Like you can't really
Speaker 1: catch up on oxygen and sleep if you don't get
Speaker 1: your sleep, you just miss out on it. Like that's
Speaker 1: the new thing. You can't you know, not sleep for
Speaker 1: a few days and then catch up on on a Saturday. Right,
Speaker 1: you just didn't get enough sleep, and so your brain
Speaker 1: didn't get enough sleep, so it's not going to function
Speaker 1: as well, and long term it could hurt you. And
Speaker 1: so I was just fascinated. And that gives you anxiety
Speaker 1: because you think, yeah, I think not sleeping. I get
Speaker 1: anxiety thinking about the anxiety that I might get. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand, you get me. I appreciate that. Yeah. No, man,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a chicken and egg situation
Speaker 1: where you just can't you know, you're getting that cycle.
Speaker 1: It's it's a bad thing. Do you probably exercise and
Speaker 1: BOS try to try to do everything that I can
Speaker 1: do to surround the fact that I don't sleep well.
Speaker 1: I exercise a lot, I eat pretty much a plus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the same with prayers even vitamin told Coogan,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, all that, all that bottom No, no,
Speaker 1: that's what you hate it, say second prayers And so
Speaker 1: I do all that and you know, but yeah, to sleep,
Speaker 1: I can all sleep. I can't take sleeping pills. But
Speaker 1: all that is that. Anyway, I was running about try
Speaker 1: like natural, like melatonin, all that doesn't work for me.
Speaker 1: Like I cover my body and essential oils like all that.
Speaker 1: I've tried melatonin, I tried snort and lavender. Well try
Speaker 1: try to, but I'd take it, take it right in
Speaker 1: the bloodstream, take it right. No. So you that's the
Speaker 1: weirdest sentence I've ever heard. You grew up your pants
Speaker 1: musical My mom uh is a really um kind of
Speaker 1: pretty kind of Julie Andrews sounded singer, and she was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, cleaning the house. But um, but not neither
Speaker 1: of them in my deck and hold tune. But he
Speaker 1: was more of a radio player, but he liked to
Speaker 1: play a loud So but did they have music to
Speaker 1: teach you? I mean, in the skill of it. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: nothing nothing to training. My mom could play the piano
Speaker 1: a little bit, and but it was never um had
Speaker 1: a knockle play guitar, and he was showing things when
Speaker 1: I would see him. And you know the cool thing
Speaker 1: about if you're a kid with a guitar. Any musicians
Speaker 1: always willing to show a kid something, you know, if
Speaker 1: they see a kid getting into it, because remember being
Speaker 1: a kid and some some guy who knew something showing
Speaker 1: him something. And so anytime you see kids that are musicians, um,
Speaker 1: I think every musician is always willing to help them out.
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's the majority of my education came
Speaker 1: from that musically. Did that fascinate you when you were
Speaker 1: a kid seeing the guitar and music? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't remember being fascinated by but my my mother
Speaker 1: would say that I spent you know, like twelve hours
Speaker 1: a day play playing guitar at one point, and I
Speaker 1: don't remember doing that. I just you know, it was
Speaker 1: time flies when you're having fun. But you were a
Speaker 1: really good student. I was. I was better than average students. No,
Speaker 1: not better than average. That you're a valedictorian that farts true,
Speaker 1: look at this now, sleeping pills and all valedictorian, I'm blent.
Speaker 1: Sleeping pills. You can you can downplay it all you want,
Speaker 1: but you're a valid So were you the smart kid?
Speaker 1: The kid? I mean, I guess I'm smart enough to
Speaker 1: you know, get good grades and stuff. I can always
Speaker 1: tell when you turned into the humble Chris, because you
Speaker 1: don't look me in the eyes whenever you start to
Speaker 1: feel unomfortable. This is the history about it. Like, Chris,
Speaker 1: I love this song. You know we're talking about songs.
Speaker 1: You always you don't like it. I don't like praise either.
Speaker 1: I don't. I feel very uncomfortable and have it again.
Speaker 1: You don't like praise. You know everybody likes praise to
Speaker 1: some degree. You feel uncomfortable, like when I say, hey,
Speaker 1: you were validic to when you were very smart. That
Speaker 1: made But you just got dontent on me that millions
Speaker 1: of people listen to this too. I'm just like, this
Speaker 1: is amazing that people listening to you. That's some millions
Speaker 1: of records. Well, I don't know, but I don't you're
Speaker 1: validic toin and I don't think people would know that
Speaker 1: about you. Well they do now, So did you give
Speaker 1: up and give a speech? You do the whole thing
Speaker 1: where you're like, I'm Christie. Oddly enough, I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: I am terrified of public speaking. I don't like I
Speaker 1: don't like colors. You didn't speak at your high school.
Speaker 1: I didn't. Let me tell you what I did. I
Speaker 1: wrote a song and play the song. That's such a
Speaker 1: Stableton thing to do. Yeah, straight up, play a song.
Speaker 1: That song. I don't remember, but but I wrote a song.
Speaker 1: You know, some farewell graduation song. Play the song that
Speaker 1: was it's probably called outlaw validatorian. That was exactly what
Speaker 1: it was called. So that's what you did. You play?
Speaker 1: How many people in your graduating class in high school?
Speaker 1: Like two fifty? Okay, that's so pretty. It was. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, look at this, a validatory in a two
Speaker 1: fifty kids. What do you want to be when you
Speaker 1: were tenth grade? When I was in tenth grade, yeah,
Speaker 1: like when you're just starting. I wanted to play football,
Speaker 1: that's all I wanted to do. And you're a pretty athlete. Well,
Speaker 1: I was okay, yeah, here we go. I was, okay,
Speaker 1: what position do you play? Um? Linebacker and fullback? Do
Speaker 1: you like to hit mhm? See? I played wide receiver
Speaker 1: and then defensive back because I didn't like to hit
Speaker 1: m I and you never blessed one time playing defensive back.
Speaker 1: He never snuck up. Now listen, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: when I have to I play wiesn't even have to
Speaker 1: crack back on a linebacker. I just go. I would
Speaker 1: drop down and go straight to the hicks. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to hit any of I was tiny, Like I
Speaker 1: was five. I'm six foot six ft one but one
Speaker 1: seventy Now, back then, I was like five nine but forty.
Speaker 1: What were you in high school? Black plan weight, tenth
Speaker 1: grade dead loves great? Yeah, oh I probably you know.
Speaker 1: I was the same high I am now, but six
Speaker 1: ft um, you know, two hundred pounds to ten. You're good.
Speaker 1: I was okay. You like me in the eyes when
Speaker 1: you said he really to see and I love football still. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a period in my life where
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I didn't want to watch football because I
Speaker 1: wanted to play so bad, you know, so, but I
Speaker 1: I just you know, I wasn't. I was okay. I
Speaker 1: just you know, you get to a certain level, uh
Speaker 1: in football, and you realized that some of us are
Speaker 1: not like the other people. You know, like you walk
Speaker 1: in the weight room and everybody six seven to seventy
Speaker 1: run into four six forty and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not me. Did you feel like you want to
Speaker 1: play college ball? Oh yeah, no, yeah that was and
Speaker 1: I thought, and you know, when you're eighteen, you think
Speaker 1: you can, you know, and did you try? I went, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went on some visits and and I wound up
Speaker 1: uh trying to walk on play playing someplace, and and
Speaker 1: it didn't really work out. But it's all right. It's better.
Speaker 1: You know, all my buddies that played college ball where
Speaker 1: they played one, double A anything, they all have like
Speaker 1: these weird pains now from where they played college ball.
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad that I didn't play. And I'm
Speaker 1: so glad, you know with all the because talking about
Speaker 1: anxiety things, I think I have that thing that all
Speaker 1: the NFL guys get sometimes, the hard horse of the
Speaker 1: c Yeah, like oh if I feel like the press
Speaker 1: or something like that, it's definitely I had concussions. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm almost certain I had concussions when I played football.
Speaker 1: But you know, back then, it was like rub some
Speaker 1: dirt on and get back out there. We didn't get water.
Speaker 1: It was a prize to get during two days, but
Speaker 1: it was the prize to get water. If they had,
Speaker 1: and now CPS would come and just take all the kids.
Speaker 1: They're not even their kids. All the coaches have just
Speaker 1: put it all in jail. It's a different time. It's
Speaker 1: a different time, and you know, if someone would just
Speaker 1: said no, And you know, I'm all for you know,
Speaker 1: stucking it up and playing, but I worry, Um, I
Speaker 1: worry a lot about that sport in general. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think football as is now because I did
Speaker 1: a national sports show for a long time, so I'm
Speaker 1: a huge sports and sports geek. Football doesn't last another
Speaker 1: ten years as it is right now. You can't have
Speaker 1: as many people that violent hitting heads over and over again.
Speaker 1: And we're just not saying we're finally seeing our guys
Speaker 1: be sick. We're finally seeing the Jim McMahon's, even the
Speaker 1: Brett Farves like the people that we grew up watching
Speaker 1: start to be and so we're going, Wow, now it's
Speaker 1: a real thing because it's on TV and social media
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I'm glad I didn't make it to
Speaker 1: the NFL either, you know what I mean, right, But
Speaker 1: I would have if I could have, you know, because
Speaker 1: I love that sport that much and as violent as
Speaker 1: it is, you know, maybe not knowing what I know now,
Speaker 1: but um, there's something poetic about it. You know, there's uh,
Speaker 1: there's poetry and football, but it's not I don't know,
Speaker 1: I like it. So you play ball and that was
Speaker 1: kind of were you writing music? And why as you
Speaker 1: were playing football? Were you like that not as much?
Speaker 1: You know? I got more into that when I got
Speaker 1: into college and didn't enjoy college as much. So, I
Speaker 1: mean I always played a little bit here and there,
Speaker 1: and you know, the different things. But but school. Didn't
Speaker 1: you move to town into Nashville to go to school
Speaker 1: here then leave and go back home. So isn't it
Speaker 1: this weird thing that you were such a good student
Speaker 1: in high school and you get to college and it's
Speaker 1: not for you. Well, you know, college is a different deal,
Speaker 1: you know. You and you pick a major or something,
Speaker 1: and you know I chose uh uh and engineering, um
Speaker 1: major and just because my dad was an engine here
Speaker 1: and you know, you don't know what you want to
Speaker 1: be when you're eighteen. I think I think it's really important.
Speaker 1: I think it's hard for people to figure out. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some people are fortunate to know what they want to
Speaker 1: be when they're twelve. But I wasn't onet of those people,
Speaker 1: you know. And but I was fortunate enough to pick
Speaker 1: things that I'm just through sheer not wanting to do them.
Speaker 1: I figured out I didn't want to do and so
Speaker 1: I took a lot of me trying some different things on.
Speaker 1: You know, how does this fit? Is this gonna be
Speaker 1: my life? Now? All right, let's trust something else. And
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's a scary thing to do for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, but I think it's important to
Speaker 1: do in order to find what you're really supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing. So you go up. How how hard was
Speaker 1: that to go all right, this is not for me,
Speaker 1: I'm going back home. Was that tough? Um? Yes? And no,
Speaker 1: not really. It was so like obvious that what I
Speaker 1: was trying to do everything all the you know, the
Speaker 1: unise very pay attention to the universal lot, and the
Speaker 1: universe was like, no, this is not your thing. Man,
Speaker 1: you didn't fill doing it, not at all. See you
Speaker 1: moved back home. Then what do you do? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: I went to college in Kentucky for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and then I didn't really love that either. And you
Speaker 1: study what you didn't study the same thing. Obviously, I
Speaker 1: was in business school for a couple of years. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna be well, we're gonna be what Chris Stapleton,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was just doing that. You know. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't hate it accounting, but I like the economics.
Speaker 1: You know. Um no, you see, but one for me.
Speaker 1: So I didn't take I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is okay. I just I don't want to I
Speaker 1: don't want to sit in a room and do this
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. I couldn't do it
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Speaker 1: So you're in Kentucky. You decided again that's not for you, say,
Speaker 1: time to move back to Nashville. Well it's not that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, short that there was some you know, I've
Speaker 1: moved into a house some friends and just worked different jobs.
Speaker 1: You know here are there in Kentucky but not in
Speaker 1: my hometown, in a different town. What you do? What
Speaker 1: kind of jobs you do? Oh? I drove you ever see? Uh?
Speaker 1: At the gas stations like the home city ice where
Speaker 1: you get the ice out of the cooler outside. We
Speaker 1: drove to the home city ice truck. We delivered ice
Speaker 1: to bice to bad guys. It's miserable to have to ba.
Speaker 1: I just delivered it, all right, You were one of
Speaker 1: the higher uppers. Yeah, there are two times did you
Speaker 1: homes the eyes no buys, the bad guys and we
Speaker 1: in different ice companies. We get ice from us, and
Speaker 1: so I back us all day, bad guys all day,
Speaker 1: and we would be like, oh, there's the fancy delivery guy.
Speaker 1: It's like when I did at the time you would
Speaker 1: have been, I'd have been like, oh there's the stable
Speaker 1: and fell and who thinks he's better than us? That?
Speaker 1: And I want to And I was a weeding or
Speaker 1: a golf course maintenance and we all I'd always look
Speaker 1: at the cart guys and be like, they think they're
Speaker 1: better than us because of the car guys. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you delivered ice delibered ice. You know ever you ever
Speaker 1: been in a parking lot and you've got like a
Speaker 1: coupon for a pizza on your car? Oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: put those. I was the dude to put them under
Speaker 1: the winch. Wif no listen, that can't pay a whole lot.
Speaker 1: It was an hourly rate. Yeah, and I just did
Speaker 1: it when I didn't have any gigs. And so you're
Speaker 1: playing at this time, you're playing music there, Yeah, i'd play.
Speaker 1: You know, you go play bars, you top forty gigs,
Speaker 1: you know, the four hour shift, but sometimes you need
Speaker 1: your money. I happen to live with a guy who
Speaker 1: managed Papa John's at the time. Like, man, Papa John's
Speaker 1: not the band, He's not managing the band Papa Johns
Speaker 1: band called Papa Johns. No, but it sounds like in
Speaker 1: this town, you know, somebody's always managing somebody. But no,
Speaker 1: he was managing Papa John's band or Papa John the
Speaker 1: guy he was managing a Papa John's restaurant. Yes, And
Speaker 1: he'd be like, hey, just go coup on some cars
Speaker 1: for me, So I'd go work for two or three hours.
Speaker 1: Done that would you would take him and just like
Speaker 1: throwing like you got a whole stack up him here,
Speaker 1: and you're like, come on and just like dump them
Speaker 1: off that a little bit. No, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: not me. I couldn't do that. That would that would
Speaker 1: I would feel so guilty about that? It your buddy too, Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that to him. What does that pay for?
Speaker 1: Hour to go ahead? And I don't know. It was
Speaker 1: medium wage, you know whatever, like six bucks maybe less
Speaker 1: than that. So you're playing it? Are you doing that?
Speaker 1: All the cover the cover songs at the bar? Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you playing originals? Manly dis cover stuff? You know,
Speaker 1: whatever gig comes up, you know, we go play the
Speaker 1: you know, the Army r TWOC is having a ball.
Speaker 1: We'll go play the four hour Army RRTC gig. Whoever
Speaker 1: we can find to be the band at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, I had a couple of group of group
Speaker 1: of buddies and j T who's my bass player, was
Speaker 1: in that group, you know of guys um where you know, somebody, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: I got this gig. You know, alright, cool, what is it?
Speaker 1: What we gotta play? All right, let's go. And back
Speaker 1: then we were so miserably bad at business. We would
Speaker 1: change our band name every time we had a different gig,
Speaker 1: you know, just just to be funny, because we thought
Speaker 1: it was funny, you know, And and and the hindsight,
Speaker 1: that's there's a absolute worst way to build a following
Speaker 1: is to change your band name every time but you know,
Speaker 1: yeah we did lost. You know, it could be a
Speaker 1: some kind of a folk old time gig, or it
Speaker 1: could be a Top forty, you know, playing roller Coaster
Speaker 1: for four hours? Well, dudes, did cach stands? You know,
Speaker 1: it's just whatever whatever was playing when you're playing those
Speaker 1: shows back then, because you're known now for how strong
Speaker 1: your voice, that powerful your voice is um by the
Speaker 1: two people that don't know your songwriting, like the people
Speaker 1: that have in the last couple of years, say I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed this, Chris Stapleton. You're known for your distinct voice,
Speaker 1: powerful voice even then when you're playing in the VFW
Speaker 1: or wherever you're playing, where people are like, holy crap,
Speaker 1: or did that take time to develop for you? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: things that you play when you're in those modes, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the bar band just kind of becomes background noise.
Speaker 1: You know, nobody's in there really trying to dig into
Speaker 1: what the bar bands singing about. Particularly you're saying cover
Speaker 1: teams are just like, oh, he's all right, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't sound like whoever, whoever did you're covering because
Speaker 1: you're not going to you know, you're just gonna be
Speaker 1: a bar band version of that. But if you played
Speaker 1: a bar right now and there are people everywhere, people
Speaker 1: will stop and go, what is that if you put
Speaker 1: on like a like one of those prosthetic faces and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't sing people, that wouldn't be background noise. I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, it would be a good experiment.
Speaker 1: We could, you know, we could, we could make that happen.
Speaker 1: I'm sure be like, what's that movie with Travolta? Did
Speaker 1: you watch that movie? Yeah? Absolutely, Okay, you know what,
Speaker 1: if that movie is on, I have to watch it.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was a bad movie, but it
Speaker 1: was a terrible premise. I don't know how movie you
Speaker 1: got greenlit. Well I don't either, But we're gonna cut
Speaker 1: each other's faces off and beat each other and then
Speaker 1: fight each other. At the time with those two guys
Speaker 1: in and it was nobody was gonna lose. Everybody was
Speaker 1: gonna go watch it face off. Haven't thought about that
Speaker 1: movie since I watched it the first time. What a
Speaker 1: terrible concept. It wasn't a bad movie. No, it wasn't bad.
Speaker 1: I think it was. I was on the bus other day,
Speaker 1: that's watch on my mind. I actually didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I did, I did. I passed over it. There was
Speaker 1: something else I like better on. I don't know. On
Speaker 1: your bus you have direct TV in the bush? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: commuted to I have direct TV and maybe I don't
Speaker 1: know if if the buzzard just suck, but whenever the
Speaker 1: buzs is moving, I can't keep that thing on solid.
Speaker 1: It's not even the Chris table does. We can't get
Speaker 1: direct TV to stay on as the bus is moving. Listen, man,
Speaker 1: when when a door opens on my bus, my TV
Speaker 1: shuts off. So don't If you can get to get
Speaker 1: just the TV to stay on when your doors open
Speaker 1: and close, you're doing better than me. What do you do? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll be out it because you know, I have eight jobs,
Speaker 1: right like I'm writting books and I'm just trying to survive. Right.
Speaker 1: But when I'm out on the road, like I was
Speaker 1: out where all this weekend, I got so bored. I
Speaker 1: get bored because you just got to find phil space
Speaker 1: up because in the daytime you get us sound check.
Speaker 1: You got like four hours. But again you have you
Speaker 1: know what what what naptime? I tried taking nap and
Speaker 1: I do take a nap sometimes and I even got
Speaker 1: a but I even have my dog is six, so
Speaker 1: I think my dog got on the road with me,
Speaker 1: and so I put a I have the starbus knocked
Speaker 1: on a diva right now. Not usually usually with swall
Speaker 1: bunks were all the same. But now it's a starbus.
Speaker 1: I need my dog on the dog on the road
Speaker 1: next thing, you know. Yeah, I'm just saying I'm Beyonce,
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, So I tried that. I tried the
Speaker 1: nap thing bed. I can hurt him my back. I'm
Speaker 1: very sensitive. I'm like that lily. I'm like a little lily.
Speaker 1: The beds aren't great on buses. The box are better.
Speaker 1: I prefer you know, you're sleeping a buck. I know
Speaker 1: obvious sleep in a bed because me and my wife
Speaker 1: haven't have a bed. But you know, there's no version
Speaker 1: of a bed on a bus that's a to lead
Speaker 1: big enough for two people to sleep in. But we
Speaker 1: do it, I think at a principle. But uh, it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's interesting, you know. And and the roads on in
Speaker 1: the United States are really bad right now. They all
Speaker 1: need work. I don't know how where you've been going
Speaker 1: through lately, but everywhere that needs work. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: to all those places you're mentioning right now. You from Arkansas. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Arkansas is one the worst man one of the world.
Speaker 1: And you can tell the difference across Tennessee, Tennessee and Arkansas,
Speaker 1: like immediately when you crossed, it's like, yeah, we were there.
Speaker 1: This is the past. I think this past weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was, it's fresh on my mind. Is the
Speaker 1: one that has potholes. New York City is pretty bad
Speaker 1: when you roll up in through their New York in general,
Speaker 1: because I love you. Remember my state is the bad
Speaker 1: road state. Like I got an there, I got cousins there.
Speaker 1: It's all good. I'm not picking on just your state.
Speaker 1: Apology people, Listen, you're from Kentucky. Listen. We should start
Speaker 1: a go fund Me page for the Arkansas Highways. I
Speaker 1: think we've tried. I don't think. I don't think that works. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: they would like to look at the pictures of the shows.
Speaker 1: It's been so crazy to watch the growth it's been.
Speaker 1: There's been two artists that I've seen grow, like like
Speaker 1: I've watched this grow, this part of you, this this
Speaker 1: uh chapter of Chris Stapleton, You and Sam and you're
Speaker 1: not the same. But it's like nobody kind of came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, completely organic, and it's been boom songwriting first,
Speaker 1: like paying dudes writing songs for for people, Like that's why, Like,
Speaker 1: is that why you moved? You moved down to write songs?
Speaker 1: Sound a songwriter? I thought that was that sounded like
Speaker 1: the greatest job I've ever heard of, the intent I
Speaker 1: heard of even though singing like you did, you want
Speaker 1: to like, I can go be an artist that Let's
Speaker 1: be honest. You know, sitting in the room playing a
Speaker 1: guitar for maybe three hours a day and getting paid
Speaker 1: to do that is probably still the greatest job in
Speaker 1: the world. Would you rather sit in the room and
Speaker 1: write a great song with one of your song everybodies
Speaker 1: or play on stage for fifteen thousand people. I like
Speaker 1: to play, so that that's hard to say. But I
Speaker 1: like to write a good song too. But you know,
Speaker 1: at this point, I probably have to pick playing because
Speaker 1: I like playing. I like playing a whole lot. Do
Speaker 1: you ever get to where I'm getting kind of tired
Speaker 1: of playing? I just kind of want to write songs
Speaker 1: for a few months? No, No, I mean, certainly, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're not feeling if you're sick. You know,
Speaker 1: there's times I'm sure you get out there, not sleeping
Speaker 1: and working nine days a week where you're just like him.
Speaker 1: You know. I wish I could just you know, chill
Speaker 1: out just a minit, But the fear will keep you going.
Speaker 1: The fear that's why I fear. I'm terrified that I
Speaker 1: feel like and I don't know if you feel this way,
Speaker 1: because I'm obviously nuts, but I feel like I've been
Speaker 1: committing crimes for a long time and eventually the cops
Speaker 1: are gonna catch me, and when they do, my career
Speaker 1: is over because they're gonna they they've got me, or
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna figure out that I'm not even some imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1: You feel like, absolutely, I think I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people feel that. Not only a lot of people
Speaker 1: will verbalize it, you know, but I had somebody that
Speaker 1: uh and I won't say his name, but uh, you
Speaker 1: know it was a hero of mine. You have that
Speaker 1: very thing. He's like, I'm just waiting for everybody to
Speaker 1: figure you know, figured out, And I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: was just like, even you feel that way, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, do you feel that way, Oh sure everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, it was some degree nobody you know. But
Speaker 1: then you know the flip side, like when I used
Speaker 1: to say to people when even walking to meet somebody,
Speaker 1: how you do it man, and be like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: far better than I deserved. I used to say that
Speaker 1: the people. And then I had I met somebody and
Speaker 1: then they were walking up on the bus and there
Speaker 1: was another artist and he said, uh, he said, well
Speaker 1: me too. But you know, maybe we all deserved great things.
Speaker 1: And it really made me. It took me back for
Speaker 1: a minute, and I was just like, wow, that's uh okay,
Speaker 1: maybe we do. And maybe that makes it okay, you know,
Speaker 1: like maybe they can make the fear go away a
Speaker 1: little bit if you if you just think that we
Speaker 1: all probably deserve great things. You know, not all of
Speaker 1: us get it, but I think everybody certainly deserves it.
Speaker 1: Do you get in your own head a lot? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like, um, I can in a moment, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I get in my own head quite a bit. It's
Speaker 1: probably why I don't talk that much. What's your fear
Speaker 1: of getting in your own head of talking? Uh? Like,
Speaker 1: what what? What's the worst that can happen in your mind,
Speaker 1: what do you say? You know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: get in my own head, so that's why I don't.
Speaker 1: I might get in my own head on on stage
Speaker 1: sometimes that's the worst place for it to happen to me,
Speaker 1: you know, like, um, maybe I don't like out something
Speaker 1: sound in, or uh, I don't like the way guitar
Speaker 1: fields at the moment, you know, or it's you know,
Speaker 1: any little thing that can happen, you know, is the
Speaker 1: danger for me to go completely off the edge and
Speaker 1: just like not be able to dig myself out of
Speaker 1: that moment. It's bad when I go down, but I
Speaker 1: try to avoid it. Will you go down like that?
Speaker 1: Because I'll go down like that, absolutely, and they can
Speaker 1: ruin my whole day and everybody else's whole day. So
Speaker 1: I try to be conscious of it and not do
Speaker 1: it for me. My co host Amy can you can
Speaker 1: notice that, and she's the one that goes boom and
Speaker 1: she'll try to pull me out of it. Is that
Speaker 1: what Morgan does for you? Absolutely? Absolutely, because she can
Speaker 1: see it sometimes or she can see it happening when
Speaker 1: maybe you can't, or you're just starting. Absolutely, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: same thing, just loo very slow because part of the
Speaker 1: creative part of you needs to be in that space. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta be on the edge, you just can't fall
Speaker 1: off of it. Do you feel like sometimes you don't
Speaker 1: want to fix yourself because you'll lose your edge. Do
Speaker 1: you ever have that thought? Um, I'm not till now.
Speaker 1: Never mind scotch that because that's something I would be.
Speaker 1: I like, I don't know if I should get better,
Speaker 1: can I lose it? No? You know I used to
Speaker 1: think those kind of things. Um, but I always feel
Speaker 1: like there's room for improvement and if something's making your
Speaker 1: your overall health or life better, it's not necessarily that's
Speaker 1: not losing your edge, you know. I feel like those things. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not losing edge. It's just it's making making you sharper.
Speaker 1: You finish the show, you come off stage, what's the
Speaker 1: what's the first thing you do? Finish the show? I
Speaker 1: thank all the local crew guys for the work, and
Speaker 1: a lot of times my wife is retired for the
Speaker 1: evening before the arcle is over, so I'll go find
Speaker 1: out where she is if she needs anything, and then
Speaker 1: I'll probably why not hang with the band guys for
Speaker 1: a few minutes in the dressing room. And then hit
Speaker 1: the bus and I'll be up till two or three
Speaker 1: in the morning watching Face Off for the eight time
Speaker 1: for the eightieth time. Do you go back and listen
Speaker 1: to shows like your live shows and then criticized or
Speaker 1: or love on yourself? No? Not, No, I try not to.
Speaker 1: I mean, we do record now, and we have a
Speaker 1: pretty elaborate recording rig. We basically, uh, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have as much of that kind of stuff as
Speaker 1: we can have out there for cataloging, and we're trying
Speaker 1: to put together some live things. But it's a real uh, well,
Speaker 1: that microscope is tough, you know, on live shows, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's so much other external things going on. You
Speaker 1: know that sometimes you can be too hard on yourself.
Speaker 1: So you have to really listen to it in the
Speaker 1: with a different set of ears, and maybe you would
Speaker 1: listen to something you're really picking up on the studio.
Speaker 1: Will you look at a crowd, and when you look
Speaker 1: at the crowd, will you focus on the people are
Speaker 1: having a great time or you see the one that's
Speaker 1: Like anybody that spending my show knows that I don't
Speaker 1: look at the crowd a whole lot, because that a
Speaker 1: little bit can break focus for me, Like I'll look
Speaker 1: at the crowd when I'm not playing and I'll try
Speaker 1: to interact with them in that way. But if I
Speaker 1: do look out there and I see somebody not having
Speaker 1: a good time, it can do that thing. And we're
Speaker 1: talking about or if I see somebody having too good
Speaker 1: at a time, it will make me smile. It'll may
Speaker 1: be too happy and I forget what I'm doing. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very a d D that way. So I
Speaker 1: have to be real careful about, you know, eye contact.
Speaker 1: I do a very controlled version of it for myself,
Speaker 1: just to try to make sure I don't lose focus
Speaker 1: of what I'm doing in the circle of everybody in
Speaker 1: the band. You know. Yeah, I didn't know that because
Speaker 1: I do. I don't seen you play a bunch and
Speaker 1: you do kind of keep down a bet when you play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm here, like somebody can see me over
Speaker 1: the radio or whatever. This isn't but I'm I'm very
Speaker 1: much in the guitar and I'm in I'm singing, and
Speaker 1: I'm in with the rest of the band. That's where
Speaker 1: that's where the stuff's happening. And when it's not going on,
Speaker 1: then the interaction happens a little bit more in the crowd.
Speaker 1: Maybe if I take a solo, I'll step out front
Speaker 1: just for a minute and we can give a little
Speaker 1: plant here in there. But for the most part, I
Speaker 1: try to keep there's just like a little circle happening
Speaker 1: on stage no matter where we're playing that I'm trying
Speaker 1: to stay in that circle. That circle. Who is important
Speaker 1: to you? People in that circle? Absolutely, they're the same
Speaker 1: people on the record. Absolutely, Why are they so important
Speaker 1: to you? None of we wouldn't be sitting here talking
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the people in that circle. You know,
Speaker 1: none of none of this would be what it is,
Speaker 1: and none of it would be happening at all if
Speaker 1: it weren't for the people in the sort you really
Speaker 1: care about him? Absolutely, man, Just looking at your as
Speaker 1: I can tell you, I feel like with me, I'm
Speaker 1: as good as the people around me are. Like I try,
Speaker 1: I surround us the field make me better, right, And
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the best things you can do
Speaker 1: if you want to be better, surround yourself with the
Speaker 1: best people you can find and whatever. And that extends
Speaker 1: into you know, when we're on a room with a
Speaker 1: pretty what I would consider a good sized crew and
Speaker 1: everybody in that crew is that for us. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the key to putting on a successful tour
Speaker 1: is is you get the absolute best people to work
Speaker 1: with you can find at all times. And uh, that's
Speaker 1: four on stage. But the four on stage, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: you mean, that's that's that's the fist for you. That's
Speaker 1: your fist. Yeah, it's the type like right there, those four.
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like ten, but it's it's you four. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that's that's the you know. And then you know, Dave
Speaker 1: Cobs in there and when he wants to be in there,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, make your fails in there when
Speaker 1: he has meant to be in there, and they've got
Speaker 1: wherever he wants to be whenever he wants to be
Speaker 1: like that dude. But typically the day watched the show
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Speaker 1: those are those are days too. He'll he'll tell you
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Speaker 1: switch it up a bit. Uh you you play it
Speaker 1: for Tom Petty, You got to play it regally with
Speaker 1: Tom Petty. I don't know anyone who loves music, you know,
Speaker 1: just genre lest music that didn't love Tom Petty. If
Speaker 1: you don't love Tom Petty, I don't know what's the
Speaker 1: matter with you? Like to go seek some kind of help.
Speaker 1: It's you know, if you can't find something in some
Speaker 1: of Tom Petty's music that you like, I'm worried about
Speaker 1: you a little bit. When you're you're playing before Tom
Speaker 1: with Tom, did you take a second and like take
Speaker 1: it in when you want on stage? Absolutely? Well, First
Speaker 1: of all, we're wrigley Field. The first first show we
Speaker 1: played with him was at wrigley Field, and so that
Speaker 1: alone would be enough to be like, hey, we're playing
Speaker 1: at wrigley Field. But then you add to the fact
Speaker 1: that we're there with Tom Petty and the heart Wreckers,
Speaker 1: it's you know. That's you know, if you told seventeen
Speaker 1: year old me that that was going down, my head
Speaker 1: would blow up. And and it still felt that way
Speaker 1: a whole lot. You know, seventeen year old me showed
Speaker 1: up that day, it was like yeah, I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Wrigley Field with Tom Patty sounds great. You still get excited?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Every night it's a new thing, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know, we don't run tracks, we don't do
Speaker 1: any that kind of stuff. So every night anything can happen,
Speaker 1: which is crazy because again it's for the most part,
Speaker 1: it's four people on stage, yes, and you don't want tracks,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It sounds like ten people out there. Well,
Speaker 1: we're just playing and you and you're playing the lead
Speaker 1: and you're singing. I watch it and I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: are you are you harsh on? Let's say you're doing
Speaker 1: a solo, will you pick apart? We're like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I really I really screwed that up. Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: screw this is this is one thing out of the way.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna screw up a solo at some point in
Speaker 1: a show, and probably two or three solos in the show,
Speaker 1: but hey, it's that way, you know, it's live, and
Speaker 1: I've I've learned to just laughing off a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, and then and then see if I can
Speaker 1: find my way back home, you know. So it's um.
Speaker 1: Soloing is a very new thing to me. Really. Um.
Speaker 1: It's really only something I've started doing, um pretty much
Speaker 1: before the Travel record, because I had two guys in
Speaker 1: the band quit and it got down to me and
Speaker 1: j T and Derek and we had, uh, we had
Speaker 1: three gigs that weekend. I was like, hey, do you
Speaker 1: think we can cover this? And they're like, I don't
Speaker 1: know that you have bass playing a drummer, you really
Speaker 1: don't have many options except to had. It was out
Speaker 1: of necessity that that I started doing, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I uncover it, maybe I'll figure something out, and
Speaker 1: then you know, from there, I've I've learned to forgive
Speaker 1: myself my shortcomings as a guitar player and and just
Speaker 1: you know, enjoy it because I do enjoy playing guitar.
Speaker 1: I really do, as probably as much as I enjoy
Speaker 1: was saying I enjoy it, so um, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: someday I'll wake up and be a real boy. You know,
Speaker 1: like be a real guitar player. You know, whenever you
Speaker 1: hurt yourself, you just didn't want to sing. You don't
Speaker 1: anybody to come in. Was that a like when you
Speaker 1: hurt your hand, you didn't want to not be able
Speaker 1: to do both. Well, So much of our show is
Speaker 1: is like I said, we don't run tracks. There's not
Speaker 1: a road map necessarily for what we do. A lot
Speaker 1: of it is very much something we've developed over time
Speaker 1: of I'm gonna do this here, and you know, like
Speaker 1: Derek Field, things coming when I'm playing that he can catch.
Speaker 1: And so much of our show is that if I
Speaker 1: can't play, we can't do the show because nobody coming
Speaker 1: in is gonna have that um you know understanding of
Speaker 1: the musicianship within the circle of its just not gonna work.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be something different. And I feel like that's
Speaker 1: selling a little short. I don't like that when you
Speaker 1: had to cancel the shows, that suck for you that
Speaker 1: that yeah, well it sucked worse for the people that
Speaker 1: had tickets and plans that did. For me, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to deal with you know, it's still a
Speaker 1: little aggravating to deal with, but you know, I felt
Speaker 1: worse about the people that I was in conveniencing the
Speaker 1: than Yeah, anything I was having to go through, So
Speaker 1: it'd be fine, what's up with these You're gonna play
Speaker 1: the Eagles. That's that's pretty freaking cool. That is cool.
Speaker 1: I'll say that, be proud of Its pretty freaking cool. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: it's what's the Eagles with Vince Gill. So it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I I was trying to talk to somebody
Speaker 1: the other day. You know, I paid, I saved up
Speaker 1: my money and when the healths Over tour was out,
Speaker 1: and I bought me a ticket, my brother a ticket,
Speaker 1: and we were fourth throw up in Charleston, West Virginia,
Speaker 1: and they played for four hours, and to this day
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest shows I've been to pay
Speaker 1: for four hours. They played for four hours, They played
Speaker 1: us the Eagles for like two hours, and then the
Speaker 1: Eagles became the house band, so to speak, and they
Speaker 1: played everybody's solo stuff anything you can think of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was solo stuff, so that you got the Eagles
Speaker 1: and allers all this stuff. Did you watch the documentary
Speaker 1: on CNN that like the Eagles multi part document you
Speaker 1: ever see? That's the first of all, it's like a
Speaker 1: hundred hours and way better than Face Off. So it
Speaker 1: covers like is it on direct TV on the bus
Speaker 1: and it's probably not on direct TV? Okay, well that's
Speaker 1: on my only entertainment. I don't have TV at home.
Speaker 1: What are you? What are you watching? What are you
Speaker 1: more than watch anything fun? But I'm a huge Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones fan. I love Game of Thrones. If I
Speaker 1: have a show, it's that and Walking Down up to
Speaker 1: the point I'm not caught off from Walking Dead yet,
Speaker 1: but those are those are the two shows that I
Speaker 1: have that are TV shows with I watched Game with Hero.
Speaker 1: I watched both of those shows religiously with the Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones, like can they let me ask you too,
Speaker 1: QUI are you caught up? I'm caught off on Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones so we can talk about whatever. So I
Speaker 1: want if you're not caught up, if you're not turning
Speaker 1: turn this off for it just for a second. They're related, right,
Speaker 1: I think? So? No? There were? Yeah? Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: Aunt Knuckle, there's and nephews. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: Like do you hope they get to stay together even
Speaker 1: though there's like this, How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: How do I feel about Yeah? Do you? Because I
Speaker 1: felt like I want them to get to I don't
Speaker 1: care if they're related like that. Well, but I don't
Speaker 1: care like a day you know, they're the same back
Speaker 1: then Jerry Lewis will do it? Holy go it would
Speaker 1: Uh what are we even talking about? Um? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know that's a complicated question because they've set up
Speaker 1: a lot of this show not telling you that, and
Speaker 1: you want them to get together. They want you to
Speaker 1: want to get them together, and then they want you
Speaker 1: to feel weird about it because then they give you
Speaker 1: more information and so that's but that's kind of that show.
Speaker 1: I mean there, but they would kill somebody? Yeah, oh man,
Speaker 1: like the Red Wedding. Do you even in the first season?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they killed I was like, has it? I
Speaker 1: thought the show was about him? I thought me too.
Speaker 1: I'm still pissed. Yeah. And it wasn't even the it
Speaker 1: wasn't even the finale of the first season, right, And
Speaker 1: I was like, what just happened? I kept waiting for
Speaker 1: someone to come in and say these heads on the
Speaker 1: chopping block and yeah, when his head was chopped off,
Speaker 1: I think, like my TV, my my, my charity is
Speaker 1: kind of popped up, like I don't trust TV anymore? Right,
Speaker 1: that was it? The trust was gone at that point.
Speaker 1: Would you like, what is this show actually about? And
Speaker 1: I still kind of don't know. I don't wonder if
Speaker 1: the if the frozen Dragon, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's a whole thing with the frozen dragons and fight
Speaker 1: the the other lesson I'm again with on the nerd.
Speaker 1: We could do a whole hour on on Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: Now we're not going to there, but we could have.
Speaker 1: I could go down the whole rabbit hole with you.
Speaker 1: Where are you walking dead? Walking dead? Oh? I don't
Speaker 1: really know. I'm a couple of three episodes into the
Speaker 1: current Okay, so you're pretty close. Then, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: they killed Glenn and then and then maybe may have
Speaker 1: lost me just just this much, you know, just a
Speaker 1: little bit when when Glenn got this, don't you feel
Speaker 1: like they have to Sometimes they'll kill the people that
Speaker 1: you really like and don't expect what keeps you on
Speaker 1: your toes. But not I know, Glum's awesome because from
Speaker 1: the beginning, Glen say Rick from inside the freaking tank,
Speaker 1: you know, in Atlanta, back right back in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like there's apocalypse type shows like I'm fascinated. Do
Speaker 1: you think you would survive? Probably not, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just because I don't do enough cardio, so you think
Speaker 1: your physical limitations would If you know, if I had
Speaker 1: to run from zombies, you know, because zombie don't get tired.
Speaker 1: I just need to do more cardio, I would love it,
Speaker 1: Like I would love during my life for the world
Speaker 1: to end like that, Like that would be cool for me?
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Well? Just think this world has been
Speaker 1: around for millions of years, right, and if in our
Speaker 1: blink of the time that we're here, we experience the
Speaker 1: end of the zombie apocalypse, whatever it is. If we
Speaker 1: get to experience that, you're not cool, that would be no.
Speaker 1: Because I got kid is man? That that's not that
Speaker 1: I don't. You have kids, you would be You would
Speaker 1: never ever say the words you're saying right now, probably
Speaker 1: a fair statement because I don't have kids, but you
Speaker 1: got to. You got twents comment, right, you do. I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 1: I don't either, So we'll find out. I'll let you know.
Speaker 1: How's Morgan. She's pregnant? She good? Is she able to
Speaker 1: sing the same Oh yeah, no, yeah, she's great and
Speaker 1: you know she gets tired just but that's that's part
Speaker 1: of it. She's got twenty fingers and twenty toes in
Speaker 1: they're moving around, that's right. Yeah. I don't even especially
Speaker 1: when you put it numerically like that, it's like just
Speaker 1: twenty fingers and twenty toes. I don't even know. Let
Speaker 1: me play some music here, how about it. I guess
Speaker 1: some of this not made trying to tangle my mind.
Speaker 1: Come about this song we want to know about? I
Speaker 1: guess I kind of want to know, like because I
Speaker 1: hear your songs and I insert my thoughts into your music,
Speaker 1: which I think is what music is about. Like absolutely,
Speaker 1: I was talking about that a different interview. How that's
Speaker 1: I think that's a purpose of songs. Well, then for
Speaker 1: you to excuse for you, the listener, to insert yourself
Speaker 1: into it. Did someone say that to you? Or did
Speaker 1: you say that to them? Because I said that to them?
Speaker 1: Because then I don't feel stupid because if I'm if
Speaker 1: I'm saying something someone else said, I'm just no no
Speaker 1: no no no, So we're saying cool. So that's why
Speaker 1: I felt like I feel like songs. We all have
Speaker 1: our own identity with these songs. Absolutely they exist. You
Speaker 1: write it for your reason, but I'm able to sign
Speaker 1: my identity to whatever you wrote. So I've always think
Speaker 1: just to know what your identity is when you're writing
Speaker 1: this song. I don't know that I have an identity
Speaker 1: when I'm writing a song other than I'm trying to
Speaker 1: write a song. But I think it's good and then
Speaker 1: the the identity part of it preachs into it on
Speaker 1: ex you know what I'm saying. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: And I'm making just an all like yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: don't consciously give a song and identity, but because I'm
Speaker 1: writing the song, whatever part of me is in that
Speaker 1: song is gonna be there because I wrote the song.
Speaker 1: Is that am I talking? In certain your identity comes
Speaker 1: out and as it's completed, there you are, but you're
Speaker 1: not actually building it in any certain ways. Right. I
Speaker 1: don't sit down and go I'm gonna put myself into
Speaker 1: this song necessarily, you know, but but it's there whether
Speaker 1: you like it or not. That's the other part. But
Speaker 1: it took me a long time to realize is when
Speaker 1: you write songs, um, you can think you're writing the
Speaker 1: most fake song ever. But some part of you is
Speaker 1: gonna slip in there that somebody's gonna go, that was
Speaker 1: you right there. I had I heard that. That was
Speaker 1: when such and such was going on, you were writing.
Speaker 1: I know why you wrote that song. You know, even
Speaker 1: if you don't know why you wrote that song. So
Speaker 1: I'll plead ignorance on a lot of it. You know
Speaker 1: my my favor I told you my favorite. I have
Speaker 1: to a record, Like if I really love a record,
Speaker 1: I'll give it a hundred listens a record, and I
Speaker 1: listened to Volume one a hundred times because it keeps
Speaker 1: a counting. This song here, I'll tell you this is
Speaker 1: my This is my favorite song I think that you've
Speaker 1: ever put out. This is my favorite song that record.
Speaker 1: I will listen to this song over and over again,
Speaker 1: like you just I'm gonna tell you what how it
Speaker 1: makes me feel. Then you tell me how it makes
Speaker 1: you feel, because I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear what you say. And then did change with me.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, like when I hear this song,
Speaker 1: it sounds like like I hear like Zeppelin, like I
Speaker 1: hear like the The like old that background. That's what
Speaker 1: I hear here like old Zeppelin types of the guitar volume.
Speaker 1: It's up, it's higher than your voice at a time,
Speaker 1: and I love how loud the guitar is to the
Speaker 1: juxtaposition to your voice. And I think that was on purpose.
Speaker 1: I don't know the boys on purpose and I but
Speaker 1: I think you're sending a message with the with the
Speaker 1: guitar of the tone and how loud the guitar is.
Speaker 1: And I hear death throw, I can't look up and
Speaker 1: up and he's like a place in life when you're like,
Speaker 1: it's not really done. I don't want to hear death
Speaker 1: throw their actual prison. Now it's literal to me, but
Speaker 1: it's like, what's my death throw? Like where am I
Speaker 1: in my life? Like where I'm in my death throw?
Speaker 1: I don't want to minimize anybody's experience on death row
Speaker 1: by standing it's any of us have anything experience like that,
Speaker 1: but um, but yeah, certainly we were trying to you know.
Speaker 1: I wrote this song with Mike Kenderson, who I wrote
Speaker 1: a lot of songs with and he's a great blues
Speaker 1: player and this was originally written and more of a
Speaker 1: blues kind of Robert Johnson style, and that he does
Speaker 1: he does a lot of great fingerstop blue stuff. I
Speaker 1: can't really do all that stuff. But we were having
Speaker 1: a day in the studio with this particular song where
Speaker 1: we had gotten nothing all day long. We try things, nothing,
Speaker 1: we try something else that's not it track, something that didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't get it, and so it's this is fairly
Speaker 1: late in the evening and we were all just kind
Speaker 1: of whipped and Dave started playing what is the kind
Speaker 1: of opening acoustic look? And it became what all this
Speaker 1: kind of built around? And I took that song that
Speaker 1: I've written with Henderson and sang on top of this,
Speaker 1: and we were very much trying to live in the
Speaker 1: Led Zeppelin kind of area, you know, because we all
Speaker 1: love that stuff. And I just like it because to me,
Speaker 1: when I hear things like this, it makes me feel, um,
Speaker 1: hopefully it feels badass, you know, like I'm looking for
Speaker 1: something to feel badass. I like songs that make me
Speaker 1: feel that way. Um. I'm not saying this in particularly,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying songs like you here, back in Black,
Speaker 1: that Back in Black will make you feel a certain
Speaker 1: way every time. Oh No, it makes me want to
Speaker 1: fight and I get right and I'll get and I
Speaker 1: don't know yet, and I still want to fight every time,
Speaker 1: and I'll get me up every time. That's that's the
Speaker 1: way it makes me feel. But not in a way
Speaker 1: that you're gonna actually walk on the door and getting five,
Speaker 1: but you're like, all right, I'm ready, and things that
Speaker 1: can get some kind of emotional response out of you
Speaker 1: like that. Musically, man, that's that's what it's for. That's
Speaker 1: my favorite song. Yeah, thank you. I hear that, and
Speaker 1: I go, what's my death throw? Where I'm out in
Speaker 1: my life and I gotta get off the death row?
Speaker 1: Any what you're writing about? That's what I feel that
Speaker 1: that's my interpretation. Start telling people that telling me wrote
Speaker 1: that about me and my death. I wrote that song
Speaker 1: about Bobby, but go on the record, I wrote that
Speaker 1: song about Bobby Bones and his personal, definite personal death brow.
Speaker 1: So if you stopped writing music right now, could you
Speaker 1: too pop this thing and you just have music come
Speaker 1: out for the next ten years? Yeah, like, because music
Speaker 1: still coming out if you if you stop, I don't
Speaker 1: have things recorded. But no no, But if you stop
Speaker 1: writing right now, I can stop, right Would you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable that you have enough quality material that for the
Speaker 1: next five years you can put out records. That's probably
Speaker 1: only two records. So yeah, okay, what if you did
Speaker 1: two records of a year like you did this year?
Speaker 1: Maybe do you have a song you're sitting on right
Speaker 1: now that you're just like, man, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: cut this one next time? Yoh yeah, there's there's several
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, did you have to decide when you
Speaker 1: cut these two? Was it tough to not put songs
Speaker 1: on because you love them so much? No, it's never tough,
Speaker 1: because it's all you always, whatever moment you're in, it's
Speaker 1: you're like, this is the time to do this right now,
Speaker 1: I feel like doing this one. You know. It's never
Speaker 1: tough to me in the moment. You know, if I
Speaker 1: have to sit down and make a list and do
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, I can't do that. My
Speaker 1: wife is great at that. But in a moment in
Speaker 1: a day, like what do I feel like playing right now?
Speaker 1: That's never hard, you know. For me, it's just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like this, let's just let's just play this. Well,
Speaker 1: it's set, let's change now to show it based on
Speaker 1: how you're feeling. Since you're not you's intraction pretty much
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. So you'd be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: LD crazy? Yeah, so will you write up a new
Speaker 1: set list every night? I do write a new setings
Speaker 1: every night, and you know, sometimes they very very little
Speaker 1: if we feel like we're into crew. But sometimes if
Speaker 1: you feel like you're getting stagnant in the show, like
Speaker 1: I don't ever want us to feel too comfortable, to
Speaker 1: comfortable with the point where you're dolfs like you're going
Speaker 1: through the motions, because that's bad. Yeah, we're just going
Speaker 1: through the motions. We're not really focused, right, So we
Speaker 1: try to try to keep the sets. You know, we'll
Speaker 1: switch them up, replace songs we haven't played in a while,
Speaker 1: just to just switch it up. So I listen to
Speaker 1: Johnson Brothers. Okay, I'm not gonna lie to you his
Speaker 1: rock and roll. This is rock and roll right here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were trying to play rock? Was this a Was
Speaker 1: this a rock and roll band? Here? Oh? Yeah? Absolutely nothing? Roll?
Speaker 1: Like the goal with the Johnson Brothers West to Blank
Speaker 1: you play rock and roll? Was it to be the
Speaker 1: biggest rock and roll band in the planet. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody had delusions of that, but you know
Speaker 1: it was it was girl play rock and roll and
Speaker 1: you know, to me, rock and roll for the sake
Speaker 1: of rock and roll was what rock and roll is,
Speaker 1: you know. But not that I'm any kind of authority
Speaker 1: on I like, uh, I like that, you know, still
Speaker 1: drivers up bluegrass here it is, you know, bluegrass rock.
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's a rock and bluegrass thing. Would
Speaker 1: you were you've you feel like that's fair this, yeah,
Speaker 1: but in general, like still you feel like there were Yeah,
Speaker 1: we lived on the outside edge of what was acceptably
Speaker 1: called bluegrass, you know, sou And I'm definitely not in
Speaker 1: any way a traditional gluegress singer. And I'm not telling
Speaker 1: anybody think they think that they don't already know, but
Speaker 1: uh yeah, we definitely played with the boundaries of what
Speaker 1: what that means in that band, but not only more
Speaker 1: than some other guys did before us, you know, Tim
Speaker 1: O'Brian deel Scott, New Grass Revival, things like that, Tony Rise,
Speaker 1: lot a lot of cool. You don't warm your voice
Speaker 1: up before a show, really, huh, that's so crazy. I
Speaker 1: might sing a little bit, you know, just mess around
Speaker 1: with the band, but but you don't really for a
Speaker 1: for as violent as you sing that would be like, well,
Speaker 1: I I kind of write the set us a warm up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, that's fair. I
Speaker 1: put the you know, I don't put the the heavy
Speaker 1: hitter out of the gate. I put something that I
Speaker 1: can kind of get loose on. What's the heavy hitter
Speaker 1: for you to sing? When you when you put a song,
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm about to take this one on the
Speaker 1: heavy hitter. I mean sometimes like Crass always a heavy hit,
Speaker 1: or h boy, do you hit that? When you play
Speaker 1: that song, you feel like you have to do that,
Speaker 1: like you have to do that. Oh yeah, whatever I
Speaker 1: got I mean is gonna get done on that one.
Speaker 1: That's when people come. If people like that song, that's
Speaker 1: what they want to hear. I love that song on
Speaker 1: the record too. When it goes like a studio to
Speaker 1: live you know that part of the uh in that
Speaker 1: part of that track where it goes from studio and
Speaker 1: then at the end of like you know, the clapping, Well,
Speaker 1: that's just the people that were in the room. Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Okay, So in my mind, as you
Speaker 1: can tell, I know every freaking track, But did you
Speaker 1: put out that's in people in the room in the
Speaker 1: studio when you recorded that clapping. Yeah, we cut that track.
Speaker 1: We had the record done, we had traveled done, and
Speaker 1: we invited the people to the listening party at our
Speaker 1: cia and they all had headphones and then we pulled
Speaker 1: like this thing. We're like, here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do one more. We're gonna finish the record
Speaker 1: right now, and you're gonna be watching. And so we
Speaker 1: cut that in front of a bunch of press folks
Speaker 1: and everything. I had no idea. And that's them. Some
Speaker 1: of them had headphones on and some of them were
Speaker 1: just in the room, you know. But the clapping is
Speaker 1: is those people in the room. I thought that was
Speaker 1: some kind of weird You did his studio and you
Speaker 1: you like melded it with the end of a live performance. No,
Speaker 1: it's an actual live performance with people in the room. Man,
Speaker 1: did you know that? Look like what you learn when
Speaker 1: you ask questions? Who knew when you ask questions to
Speaker 1: learn things? Do you realize how big Chris Stapleton is.
Speaker 1: I'm go back to sixt right now. No, no, come on,
Speaker 1: come on, do you like you're the You're the thing?
Speaker 1: Because and here's why and it's because you don't try
Speaker 1: to be the thing. It's Isn't it crazy how cool
Speaker 1: people work, How the coolest people are the ones that
Speaker 1: don't try to be cool. Uh well, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm one of the coolest people. Okay, you don't
Speaker 1: have to talk about you, but okay, would you say
Speaker 1: to the people that you admire the most in creative
Speaker 1: Land of the people that aren't out there to be
Speaker 1: admired the most in creative Land? Absolutely? You know. I
Speaker 1: will say the people that I've met that I believe
Speaker 1: to be cool definitely are not trying to be cool.
Speaker 1: And that's what people feel about you. You are the
Speaker 1: the biggest thing in our I'm not eve gonna say
Speaker 1: you're not even formatty to me, Like, I'm not a
Speaker 1: format guy. I'm on country radio stations, but I love
Speaker 1: all music and I've done all. I've done rock and
Speaker 1: sports and pop and country and again. I'm a Kiftain
Speaker 1: Arkansas who grew up listening to Kissing ninety States country
Speaker 1: radio but also was an alternative kid and a hip
Speaker 1: hop I sat hip hop record deal you know for
Speaker 1: you know, so I have all of this, So I
Speaker 1: don't even consider you in the this you're just a
Speaker 1: country singer, right. I hope that's okay for me to
Speaker 1: say that, because I don't know. I don't like labels either,
Speaker 1: so you're not bothering me with anything you're saying. But
Speaker 1: like you are the gold standard now to two artists,
Speaker 1: like everyone's the next, you know, next Michael Jordan, It's
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, the next Michael Jordan, is Lebron James, the
Speaker 1: next Michael Jordan. But now everyone is, oh this, this
Speaker 1: is the female version of Chris Stable, and it's the
Speaker 1: next Chris Stable. And you gotta hear something that's gotta
Speaker 1: get back to you, right, No, I don't you know.
Speaker 1: I don't come into town that much. I don't. No,
Speaker 1: I don't running around talking to people too much. You know.
Speaker 1: When I'm not on the road, I'm out. We bought
Speaker 1: some land and I'm out in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: And that's why you're cool. You don't even care. It's
Speaker 1: not that I don't care. I don't want you to
Speaker 1: say it's no, I don't care. If you don't care
Speaker 1: what I care very much about. I don't care about people.
Speaker 1: That's that was my point. You don't care what people
Speaker 1: are saying you don't really care about the person you
Speaker 1: care about putting out what you feel. It feels good, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's the only thing you should care about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to take some lessons from you. This, obviously,
Speaker 1: in my mind, was about Wizard of Eyes, the movie
Speaker 1: I have to picture and you're watching Wizard of Eyes.
Speaker 1: Really no, no, but see now, I'm people are gonna
Speaker 1: be taking it and like turning the volume off of
Speaker 1: the Wizard Off. So what people don't know is and
Speaker 1: I guess we waited too pretty close to the end
Speaker 1: of it to say this and admit this, but volume
Speaker 1: two you can actually match it up with face off
Speaker 1: and turn faces off on it at the beginning and
Speaker 1: turned full full circle all the way back around. You
Speaker 1: feel good like you, You feel like your life right now?
Speaker 1: You feel good? Oh yeah, what makes you happy? What
Speaker 1: makes me happy? Oh? My kids made me happy, and
Speaker 1: my wife makes me happy. And you know, just getting
Speaker 1: to play music makes me happy. Playing guitar makes me happy.
Speaker 1: All the folks um I get to work with made
Speaker 1: me happy. So I'm pretty happy, dude. All that that's
Speaker 1: pretty much all of my days right there. So you
Speaker 1: feel like people ask a lot more of you now, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But I mean that's part of that's part of the gig.
Speaker 1: You mean, just like, do you get more asked to
Speaker 1: do things or just both? Do you feel like do
Speaker 1: you feel like at times Chris and Chris Stableton or
Speaker 1: two different people? Sure, but you know not and and
Speaker 1: also yes, you know like there's there's a there's a
Speaker 1: dude that everybody. I don't want to talk about myself
Speaker 1: on the third person or anything. I think it's fair
Speaker 1: to in the situation though, because I just asked you
Speaker 1: that Chris and Chris Stapleton, So I think it's fair to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, on one hand, I'm I'm I'm just a
Speaker 1: guy who you know, was trying to raise his family
Speaker 1: and take care of his family and like anybody any
Speaker 1: other guy would. On the other hand, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: something else or people perceive me to be something else
Speaker 1: when I'm playing music. I guess that, you know, can
Speaker 1: sometimes be strange, but it's also you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: um here's what I got, you know, and and if
Speaker 1: that uh makes people feel good or um, let's people
Speaker 1: have a good time, but forget about some other you know,
Speaker 1: terriful thing that got going on for a couple of
Speaker 1: hours at a show, then that's a real hot calling,
Speaker 1: So I'm happy to do it. I got another one.
Speaker 1: I still think there's a is a Christaltic conspiracy to
Speaker 1: one album of the Year two years in a row.
Speaker 1: That's why I think about a m B. That's why
Speaker 1: I think Volume one. But that's why I think congratulations.
Speaker 1: By the way, thank you very much. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like because I mean, that's probably three roads of before
Speaker 1: from you and I was I was watching you. Is
Speaker 1: this propectly not your name? Still? Yeah? I mean, do
Speaker 1: you are you surprised if somebody gives you an award?
Speaker 1: I don't like awards. I'm not comfortable with them. I
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, you don't know what to say. I don't
Speaker 1: like like. The thing is that when you get an award,
Speaker 1: like there's the immediate feeling of, oh, I didn't prepare
Speaker 1: a speech and also I'm gonna say something off the
Speaker 1: cuff that maybe doesn't make any sense, and then you
Speaker 1: walk off like oh I forgot this or you know.
Speaker 1: Um so those things are are funny in those moments,
Speaker 1: you know, But no, I don't ever expect them. I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, And someday my not expecting them will come true.
Speaker 1: So I'll enjoy it while while we have the U
Speaker 1: I have have our moment, and and when we don't,
Speaker 1: we'll look back and go, wow, that was that was cool.
Speaker 1: Two questions and we'll wrap this up. Question one, what's
Speaker 1: your favorite picture you have in your house? My favorite picture? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you think of your favorite picture? Sure, I have
Speaker 1: in my house. We're still halfway. Don't have too many
Speaker 1: pictures hanging up out Um yeah, yeah, right now it's
Speaker 1: probably uh my wife, are you talking like a photograph
Speaker 1: or just like a photograph memory, like a picture? You're like, man,
Speaker 1: I love it when I see that picture, see that picture.
Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of pictures up in our house.
Speaker 1: It's it's weird. We have more like art and you know,
Speaker 1: weird uh fines. You know. I used to be like
Speaker 1: a flea market guy, you know, like I have all
Speaker 1: these odd things. There's a I guess my favorite one
Speaker 1: is My wife has this little tiny I was probably
Speaker 1: six by four framed picture of a rabbit that was
Speaker 1: given to her and by her I believe, by her
Speaker 1: friend Paul Kennedy, or maybe she got it because Paul Kennedy.
Speaker 1: I guess it's a British thing. The first of every month,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to say rabbits the first thing when you
Speaker 1: wake up, right that stuffing Paul does. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it reminds her of Paul. And she has this
Speaker 1: little tiny it's supposed to bring you good luck, I guess.
Speaker 1: And so there's this little tiny picture of a rabbit
Speaker 1: hanging in our house. That's beyond that there I have
Speaker 1: a plate that there's also a plate that somebody gave
Speaker 1: us for our wedding that's a kind of a full
Speaker 1: card painting of me and my wife. That's the day
Speaker 1: we were married, and it's traveled with us everywhere. That
Speaker 1: kind of hangs in the kitchen. But those are the
Speaker 1: two that stuck out of my mind. I'm writing m
Speaker 1: my second book, and it's on adversity, and it's on
Speaker 1: it's basically a failure and how that the greatest successes
Speaker 1: are often the people that have failed the most and
Speaker 1: have continued to get back up but told no, get
Speaker 1: out dude again. Learn the told no, get up to
Speaker 1: it again? Learn Was there ever a point and what
Speaker 1: was the point for you where you were like, man,
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of my low. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm gonna able to get out of this
Speaker 1: just mentally. Um. It doesn't really have anything to do
Speaker 1: with anything professional, but um, um, you know, the day
Speaker 1: that my my dad passed away, I got a call
Speaker 1: in South Carolina. Was down there, um taking my kids
Speaker 1: down there to the beach with their other grandparents, and
Speaker 1: I got the call my brother Carl. So I took
Speaker 1: a little walk, kind of soaked that in. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was there two days prior when we played a show,
Speaker 1: and uh, you told me goodbye or whatever. I could
Speaker 1: have stayed. I could have stayed two days. So the
Speaker 1: biggest regret in there, and I should have stayed. I
Speaker 1: should have stayed over, but I used some lame excuse
Speaker 1: like you know what, I got got on the bus,
Speaker 1: a bus to leaving. You know, I could have figured
Speaker 1: something out. But so that was a failure in my
Speaker 1: mind as a you know, a failure of things that
Speaker 1: I should have done. I don't have any regrets, but
Speaker 1: I do regret those two days. And for some reason,
Speaker 1: those two days magically mean more than all the other days.
Speaker 1: I could have been there saying hello or doing something,
Speaker 1: but my dad. UM, that's that's probably for me that
Speaker 1: was a failure. UM as a son, I guess, but
Speaker 1: you know, you can't get those things back, but you
Speaker 1: do learn in those moments, you know, in moments to
Speaker 1: try to not to let the professional um kind of
Speaker 1: outweigh the personal or steer it more than it should.
Speaker 1: And for me that that that, for me was the lesson.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's given you balance with your
Speaker 1: family now and how you balance that? Well, we do
Speaker 1: our best and we're still very much working on the
Speaker 1: balance because it's a very UM, it's a demanding thing
Speaker 1: on your time to go to our likely tour or ah.
Speaker 1: You know, you know the deal. It's Uh. When you
Speaker 1: have a moment where you you're enjoying some success, you
Speaker 1: get UM. And I am not complaining in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, but he gets very hard to say
Speaker 1: no to things because, UM, for so many years you
Speaker 1: didn't have the opportunity to even say yes to anything.
Speaker 1: And then when you get in that moment where there
Speaker 1: are more things too to have to either say yes
Speaker 1: or no to than you have time for, it can
Speaker 1: be an overwhelming thing. But hopefully I'm getting a little
Speaker 1: bit better saying no to things, UM in lieu of
Speaker 1: you know, saying no to things under the guys of
Speaker 1: the preservational sanity and family and UM and just you know, balance,
Speaker 1: which I think is an important thing. That the people
Speaker 1: that I admire the most in this business that have
Speaker 1: long careers I think are balanced people in that they
Speaker 1: can they can turn that professional off for a minute
Speaker 1: and go enjoy themselves do something they enjoy. I had
Speaker 1: the hardest time in the world going and just doing
Speaker 1: something that I enjoy solely for the purpose of me
Speaker 1: enjoying it. One of the hardest things in wonder for
Speaker 1: me to do. My wife literally has made me do things.
Speaker 1: She's like, go do that. You you want to go
Speaker 1: do that, You'll you'll enjoy it, And she's always right.
Speaker 1: But I have very little UM, you know, I have
Speaker 1: a hard time flipping that switch, particularly in the in
Speaker 1: the moment that we're in. You know, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: there's so much opportunity over here for us to do
Speaker 1: these things that aren't good professionally, but it's not always
Speaker 1: the healthiest thing, um personally, and so trying to find
Speaker 1: that balance and UM, I don't know I've gotten off
Speaker 1: base with the question A little bit probably, but I
Speaker 1: don't think there is off base with the question. Well,
Speaker 1: let me say this all professional things aside. First, just
Speaker 1: you know, from a Room one and two and traveler
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just like you changed the landscape,
Speaker 1: whether you know, I want to admit you have, and
Speaker 1: I think I know. I appreciate that. And I also
Speaker 1: appreciate what kind of you bet to me over the years,
Speaker 1: because you definitely didn't had to have been well and
Speaker 1: that was specification to you. You've always I mean, you've
Speaker 1: been always nice to me solely on the fact you
Speaker 1: know that you like me and my music, not because
Speaker 1: at the time when you were playing things on your
Speaker 1: show that it wasn't the thing to do. So um,
Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate that, and I remember that, and I
Speaker 1: was real the first time we talk, you're in the shower.
Speaker 1: I always you call me at the house at home
Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, man, I'm gonna shower. Can I
Speaker 1: call you right back? I'm like, why not coming right back? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I appreciate that. I appreciate you. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: and Morgan both. You're always very kind to me. I've
Speaker 1: said before that we'll be at the biggest, craziest event,
Speaker 1: and they're famous people everywhere, and you're always like eyeball
Speaker 1: to eyeball. So well we know each other. So that's different,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's not you know whatever and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. You know, it's just like, man, it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, people are good. Good people are good people,
Speaker 1: and I would rather hang out with good people than
Speaker 1: you know, a terrible person who's famous. You know, That's
Speaker 1: that's just me. Well, I appreciate you, thanks for listen.
Speaker 1: I know that your favorite thing isn't talking on the microphone.
Speaker 1: We've just been an hour talking on a microphone. That's okay,
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't be here if I didn't want to
Speaker 1: talk on a microphone with you. So did was this? Uh?
Speaker 1: It's okay. That was great, very comfortable, and you the
Speaker 1: recliner is a nice is a nice touch. You know.
Speaker 1: I had, I had an alternate band that I wanted
Speaker 1: to form. Maybe I shouldn't give it away. But if
Speaker 1: this band ever comes out, it's called recliner. Where you
Speaker 1: play in a recliner. Are you're just getting lazy? Now?
Speaker 1: That's a band that's just a lazy band. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: it's called lazy. Yeah, that's good to see you, buddy,
Speaker 1: and I hope you, hope you continue doing it your way,
Speaker 1: regardless of what cells and what doesn't. Just keep. I
Speaker 1: hope you just keep. I don't know how to do
Speaker 1: anything else. Chris Stampleton and from a Room, Volume two,
Speaker 1: December one, right, I don't have to know. It's a
Speaker 1: kind of members going by my brain here December one.
Speaker 1: And people are gonna hear this way after that too.
Speaker 1: But I hope you get to learn about Chris and
Speaker 1: go second third layer with that and almost in the NFL.
Speaker 1: That's what I learned, almost not even close. It's good
Speaker 1: to see it. Thank you very much, Chris,