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Speaker 1: In what universe would there be a situation where Brett

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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to the Black Friday edition of Fair Territory.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ken Rosenthal here with Alana Rizzo. We hope everyone

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Speaker 2: enjoyed their Thanksgiving with their families, enjoyed their turkey, whatever

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Speaker 2: else they might have eaten. We hope everyone is shopping

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Speaker 2: with great pleasure and getting bargains all over the country today.

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Speaker 2: But we're going to talk about some baseball and Alana,

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Speaker 2: we had some big news right before the holiday, did

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Speaker 1: We did, Ken, Great to be with you. Happy Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: to everybody. I tell you what, Blake Snell doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about getting any sales on Black Friday because

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Speaker 1: he just got paid by the Los Angeles Dodgers. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of controversy that comes with this, though, Ken,

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Speaker 1: what's your takeaway from it?

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Speaker 2: Alana? Throughout the game's history, whenever the rich have gotten richer,

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Speaker 2: you've had fans of other teams, teams that don't have

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Speaker 2: has gone on since the turn of the twentieth century.

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Speaker 2: Right at the same time, I do have a concern

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Speaker 2: getting even larger than it has been, and we see

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Speaker 2: that with the Dodgers spending. Of course, we know the

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Speaker 2: joining them this offseason. The Blue Jays seem to want

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Speaker 2: Now I want to qualify this by saying, some of

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Speaker 2: top of our heads, should be spending more money, and

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Speaker 2: we'll discuss that as the show goes on. But at

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Speaker 2: the same time, when you're talking about resources available, this

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Speaker 2: is an ongoing concern in the sport, and with the

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Speaker 2: labor agreement expiring after the twenty twenty sixth season, Alana,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting worried, and I'm getting worried because why every

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Speaker 2: the commissioner, wants to get into national packages with major

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Speaker 2: So that's going to be difficult. Nevan Drelik wrote a

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Speaker 2: to have to do is tell them, all right, you're

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Speaker 1: When you look at the Blake Snell contract, ken a

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Speaker 2: First of all, on it it's perfectly permissible within the

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Speaker 2: On all these guys Otani going from seventy to forty

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Speaker 1: Ken what happens in terms of change of ownership or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy to think all of this deferred money.

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Speaker 1: But what about the fans that are upset about this.

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Speaker 1: The other twenty nine teams can do not have handcuffs

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Speaker 1: And no question about that. All right, now, time for

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Speaker 1: Grill and Ken. Let's get those questions in, all right, Ken, So,

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you participating. Which non tendered player most intrigues you.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's ask you this question. I don't know

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Speaker 2: it's time, Chicago White Sox, Jerry Reinsdorf, it's high time. Seattle, Oakland, Washington.

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Speaker 4: Dude, dude, dude, all right, is it that time here

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Speaker 4: on fair territory where we give props to a certain

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Speaker 4: dude or dudet ken The honor is yours a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of Because I'm a fair minded individual, and because

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Speaker 2: I was awfully hard on Scott Boris's last offseason, Let's

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Speaker 2: give him credit where credit is due. He's already taken

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Speaker 2: two of his free agents off the board, three if

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Speaker 2: you count Matt Chapman, who signed an extension with the

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Speaker 2: Giants back in September, Kakuchi three years sixty three million

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Speaker 2: with the Angels, Snell five years one eight two with

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers. He has a long list of quality free

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Speaker 2: agents this year, and clearly he is trying to make

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Speaker 2: things happen a little quicker now, he would say, and

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Speaker 2: he said this to me many times before. I can

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Speaker 2: only do what the owners offer. I can only react

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Speaker 2: to how they are reacting to me. Okay, fair enough,

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I've said this many times

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Speaker 2: already this offseason. With the quality of clients he has Soto, Burns, Bregman, Alonzo, Snell,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Manai is another one. It reminds me of

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen nineteen when he went to the Winter Meetings

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Speaker 2: and went Strasbourg boom Rendo, boom gart Cole boom. I

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Speaker 2: believe the Winter Meetings are going to be the same

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Speaker 2: way and Scott Boris. So far, two really good deals

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Speaker 2: for those two guys, and actually Chapman's deal is very

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Speaker 2: good as well. Due to the week, all right.

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Speaker 1: Due to the week, I would say Scott Boris as

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Speaker 1: well as the Angels also for actually spending some money

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Speaker 1: in the offseason already some five signings. But my dude

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Speaker 1: of the week is actually a dudet and I can't

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Speaker 1: love this woman enough. Kim Ang. Of course, we just

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Speaker 1: talked about her as far as the role with the

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Speaker 1: Miami Marlins, but she's taken on a new role, if

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Speaker 1: you will, and she is spearheading a pro softball league,

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Speaker 1: so basically Major League Baseball for softball. Of course, former

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Speaker 1: Marlins GM. She's been in this game for an unbelievably

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Speaker 1: long time, so good for her. I think this woman

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Speaker 1: is incredibly bright. She's very very brilliant. She's a great

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Speaker 1: baseball mind and obviously can take that into softball as well. Okay,

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Speaker 1: time now for the John Fisher Dork of the Week.

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Speaker 1: Usually yea, it usually has something to do with the A's,

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Speaker 1: but for this week, neither Ken nor I are picking

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Speaker 1: anything to do with Oakland or Sacramento or Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: A's Who is your dork of the week?

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Speaker 2: Ken, I'm gonna go with Cubs ownership. And the reason

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Speaker 2: for that is all we're hearing out of Chicago. The

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Speaker 2: north side is we're not going to be involved in

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Speaker 2: any of the big free agents. We're gonna just kind

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Speaker 2: of do some other things. They're trying to trade Cody Bellinger.

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Speaker 2: I get that, but where are the Cubs? The Red Sox,

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Speaker 2: after sleepwalking through the past few offseasons, have finally arisen

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Speaker 2: and awakened, and they're acting like a big market team.

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Speaker 2: Should the Cubs playing in the division that is eminently winnable.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Milwaukee's really good, but the Cubs can obviously

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Speaker 2: be better than the Milwaukee Brewers. They have more resources

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Speaker 2: than Milwaukee Brewers. They have the ability if they spend

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Speaker 2: some money to become a special team. They're a little

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Speaker 2: bit away. We all recognize that they need more more

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Speaker 2: starting pitching. I would say more offense as well, and

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Speaker 2: a better bullpen all of this, But look at that division. Well, Walkee,

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Speaker 2: they're not going to spend. We know that they never spend. Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: They're Pittsburgh. Cincinnati. Okay, they might be a little bit better.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to do some things, but they're Cincinnati and

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Speaker 2: Saint Louis is clearly taking a step back. So the

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Speaker 2: Cubs have an opportunity here to maybe seize control of

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Speaker 2: this division and they are squandering it. Cubs ownership dorks

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Speaker 2: of the week, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis also seems like they can't wait to trade

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Speaker 1: a perennial All Star and Platinum Gold Glove winner Nolan Arnota.

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Speaker 1: Will see where he ends up as far as the

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Speaker 1: Keystone Corner is concerned. My dork of the week is

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Speaker 1: actually anybody that believed that this was actually a true report.

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Speaker 1: It was very funny because Mark Gooden said that for sources,

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Speaker 1: Mets negotiations with Juan Soto have hit a snag because

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Speaker 1: Brett Baty is unwilling to give up uniform number twenty

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Speaker 1: two for this slugger. Now, obviously Marke does a tremendous job.

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Speaker 1: He is a legitimate reporter. This was tongue in cheek. People,

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Speaker 1: This is not actually the case. Do you think in

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Speaker 1: what in what universe would there be a situation where

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Speaker 1: Brett Batty could determine whether or not Juan Sota was

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Speaker 1: coming to the New York Mets because he's not willing

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Speaker 1: to give up his number.

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, there is not.

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Speaker 1: A universe that that would actually happen. But people took

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Speaker 1: this ken and ran with it, I mean, with an owner.

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Speaker 1: Then god, you think that they're not that that Cohen

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Speaker 1: couldn't offer. You know, Brett Baty, you know a small island.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on now, guys, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of I will extend it beyond that particular tweet

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Speaker 2: because this time of year you see all kinds of

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Speaker 2: things on X and once in a while some guy

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Speaker 2: or some woman will find a needle in a haystack,

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Speaker 2: some random than we'll get a scoop. More power to them.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, people should generally try to stick

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Speaker 2: with the trusted sources and they know who they are.

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Speaker 2: And I would just suggest be very careful with what

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Speaker 2: you believe.

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Speaker 1: That perhaps maybe get one or two sources before you

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Speaker 1: run with it, and tell everybody that one Soto's absolutely

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Speaker 1: not coming to Queens because Brett Baty wouldn't give him

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Speaker 1: his jersey number. Come on, all right, Ken, have a wonderful,

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Speaker 1: wonderful weekend. We're gonna have a brand new episode of

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