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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Buck Sexton is soon going to be headed

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Speaker 1: to Scotland. I think he's doing today's show in a

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Speaker 1: kilt in New York City as we all get ready

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Speaker 1: for that departure. Are you excited to get on the

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Speaker 1: plane ahead to Scotland.

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Speaker 2: I've promised Carrie that I'm not going to put on

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Speaker 2: a kilt the first day, but I make no promises

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Speaker 2: about the rest of my time there. I may ask

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Speaker 2: a lot of strangers where I can get the best hagis.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. Have you ever had hagis before?

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Speaker 2: I've never been to Scotland, I've never had hagas. I've

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Speaker 2: really never even been to the UK before, which is

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Speaker 2: so this is real first time star. I made like

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Speaker 2: a stopover on the way to Eastern Europe when I

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Speaker 2: was like thirteen, and I was in London for basically

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Speaker 2: a day, but that doesn't really count it. I don't

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Speaker 2: even remember it. So I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I've seen heard so many times that I can basically

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Speaker 2: do any scene from the movie at this point, like

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Speaker 2: not even the famous ones, only like I could you

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Speaker 2: could tell me any part of it? I could jump

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Speaker 2: in and play both sides of it. Also, Clay, have

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Speaker 2: you and missus Travis watched Outlander together?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know anything about Outlander.

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Speaker 2: Outlander is gonna if you try it, it will suck

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Speaker 2: you in. The Guys like it, the ladies like it.

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Speaker 2: It's a very wide especially the first couple of seasons,

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Speaker 2: very carry and I are into it right now, very

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Speaker 2: watchable show.

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Speaker 1: So you will be posting you're gonna love the castles?

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Speaker 1: Will you be posting photos and things on Instagram for

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Speaker 1: people who are left state side during this trip? Or

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Speaker 1: is this a no social media and I endever, I'll

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Speaker 1: take photos. I usually like to do all the posting

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Speaker 1: when I come back. It was really nice.

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Speaker 2: I so appreciate everybody who was saying nice things about

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Speaker 2: me getting married this past week. But it's just because

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Speaker 2: we finally got the photos, you know, from the photographer.

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Speaker 1: So people were like, you got married.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, actually seven months ago, eight months ago, but

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Speaker 2: you know, we just hadn't really gotten around to posting

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Speaker 2: the the That's the thing everyone, The photos you take

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Speaker 2: with your.

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Speaker 1: Own phones, These days.

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Speaker 2: Those are always the ones that end up getting shared

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Speaker 2: about the event right away. You know, professional photos, they

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Speaker 2: got to retouch them andever it takes longer, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: So Bucks with us here for the first half the

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Speaker 1: show that he's heading legitimately to scott Scotland, which should

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Speaker 1: be pretty awesome. All right, We got a ton of

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Speaker 1: stories that are out there. First, I saw Trump yesterday, Buck,

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Speaker 1: he was in Nashville doing a fundraiser Kid Rock, and

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Speaker 1: was he like Clay.

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Speaker 2: I hear some of the ladies think you're very hot,

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Speaker 2: but probably not as hot as me.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, because the hottest kid Rock and John

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Speaker 1: Rich brought him out very Nashville flavor. And so I

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Speaker 1: got to talk to Trump for a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: he now is making the argument. As we get ready

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Speaker 1: for the for the official launch, I would say, I

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Speaker 1: think the first debate is really in many ways the

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Speaker 1: official launch. I think we have audio of Trump making

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Speaker 1: the argument that everybody else should drop out as he

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Speaker 1: now has opened this forty point lead. So I want

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Speaker 1: to get your take on this. Buck. Also, we need

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Speaker 1: to talk about Ron DeSantis' debate strategy getting leaked. We

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Speaker 1: got the fallout continuing in Maui, which is which is awful?

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Speaker 1: And Bill Barr and Brian Kemp and Vivek Ramaswami rising

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different levels to dive into. But let's

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Speaker 1: start here Trump now. Yesterday, I believe Buck made the argument, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I've opened up such a big lead, it's time for

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Speaker 1: everybody to come together. Listen to that.

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Speaker 3: Great Paul's just out leading by forty fifty at even

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Speaker 3: sixty points.

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Speaker 1: Who expected that?

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Speaker 3: I did? Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, all very strong,

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Speaker 3: but also leading Biden very big. The sanctimonious is crashing.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps the party should come together. People should drop out

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Speaker 3: of the race. We unify, and we beat Biden and

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Speaker 3: the Democrats. They should be easy to beat because our

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Okay, so correct. I want to get into

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Speaker 1: let me say this too. Trump talked for an hour

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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna say the things that he talked about,

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Speaker 1: but I will in generality say this, Buck almost nothing

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Speaker 1: about DeSantis or attacking any other Republican. He went almost

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Speaker 1: full bore for an hour and fifteen minutes on how

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Speaker 1: awful Joe Biden was. So I think on some level,

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Speaker 1: Trump has opened up such a lead that he's just

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Speaker 1: decided we're into the general election now, and he's almost

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Speaker 1: shifted his attention in many ways. He took a little

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Speaker 1: Republican debate and basically going after Biden feels like he

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's acting like you've been in the

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Speaker 2: end zone before, and then there's having been in the

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: This guy was president, right, so he's been to the

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Speaker 2: big dance. He understands the dynamics involved. He's been through

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Speaker 2: a successful campaign and an unsuccessful campaign. I think there's

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Speaker 2: a learning process that comes from that too. And I

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Speaker 2: know people can say, oh, what's on is irrespective of

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Speaker 2: what everyone thinks, Joe Biden managed to become the president.

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Speaker 2: So there were lessons learned in that process. Lessons learned

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Speaker 2: about ballot measures and security and turnout and a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of things on these should the other candidates drop out?

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Speaker 2: Components of this. Uh look, one thing that I'm curious about.

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Speaker 2: First off, the bat is all of a sudden, everyone selling.

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Speaker 2: They're all telling Rond de Santis to drop out. Why

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Speaker 2: isn't Viveke being asked to drop out? I mean, I look,

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Speaker 2: Viveke would say that he has no I'm sure if

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Speaker 1: But that strikes me. It's a bit strange. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's everyone needs to drop out, and by everyone we

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Speaker 2: mean Ron DeSantis. Yeah, well okay, I mean you could

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Speaker 2: make an argument the first people who should drop out

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Speaker 2: are actually the ones who are getting two, three, maybe

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Speaker 2: all this stuff. So, you know, I think that there's

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 2: I think that a primary process can be people are

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Speaker 2: of two minds about this. Let me ask you this

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Speaker 2: about the ballots, the state ballots, and a theory that

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Speaker 2: could be a real problem for Trump down the line

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Speaker 2: that people have brought up. We'll get to that in

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Speaker 2: a second. A legal problem. I mean, but there's the

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Speaker 2: argument that a primary is a gauntlet that strengthens the

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Speaker 2: eventual winner, and the argument that actually, you just spend

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Speaker 2: a lot of money, time and effort trying to become

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Speaker 2: the guy or the gal. What do you Which side

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Speaker 2: of that do you come down on for this, because

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Speaker 2: I hear it both ways, and I think both sides

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Speaker 1: So I think a lot of being a candidate is

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Speaker 1: about figuring out how to find your voice. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think that Trump needs to figure out how to

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Speaker 1: find his voice. For better or worse, people know what

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Speaker 1: Trump's voice is. I do think there's an interesting question.

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Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal had an argument that people need

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Speaker 1: to drop out this morning as well, Buck, but it

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Speaker 1: was an argument from a different perspective than Trump. Their

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Speaker 1: argument was people need to drop out so that we

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Speaker 1: can have a legitimate race. One v one Mono Amano.

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Speaker 1: Whoever's left with Trump I do think it's it's worth

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Speaker 1: asking to everybody out there, Vivek has made a move.

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Speaker 1: I think the Veke has been the biggest winner of

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Speaker 1: the campaign. Let's say, from May on. Let's leave aside

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Speaker 1: Of the non Trump candidates, the Veke is the only

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Speaker 1: one who's really made a move. Now. Chris Christy appears

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Speaker 1: DeSantis has at best stayed the same, come back a

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Speaker 2: He lost ground. I mean DeSantis was within striking distance

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Speaker 2: think has been surprising to the DeSantis camp. And that's

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Speaker 2: also why you're seeing these stories planted in the media

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Speaker 2: a campaign. At this stage, it means there's been some problems.

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Speaker 2: So here's my first thing.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Trump, i'll partly, and I also agree

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Speaker 1: Republican debate, in other words, you weren't able to get

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Speaker 1: the forty thousand donors or the one or two percent

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Speaker 1: of the overall polling numbers, you should drop out because

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Speaker 1: you have absolutely no chance. Now. Also, if you're not

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Speaker 1: on the stage, Buck, what's the total percentage that the

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Speaker 1: But I do think you should go ahead and clear

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Speaker 1: that deck. And then if you do not make a

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Speaker 1: big move after this Republican debate on Wednesday, so we're

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Speaker 1: talking two three weeks after the debate, you get to

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Speaker 1: you should start to drop out. I think there should be,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, if I were waiving the magic wand,

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Speaker 1: believe they have legitimate candidacies that are running in Iowa

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Speaker 1: and New Hampshire at the top of the line. Now,

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Speaker 1: a lot on the show, what do you lose by

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Speaker 1: running for presidents and not winning. This is where we

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Speaker 1: go to our recurring theme on the show, which is

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Speaker 1: that you want to find the result. Look at the incentives.

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Speaker 2: And the incentives for prosecutors in New York and Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: for example, is throw everything you got at Trump. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter how crazy it is. It's good for you the prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: Bad for the country, but good for the prosecutor. The

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Speaker 2: incentives for almost everybody. I mean, you know, people are saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: say this. I think Glenn Youngkin was considering it, and

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Speaker 2: We've been talking about pardon power recently, and there's the

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and that's really what I'm what I

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Speaker 2: think we're starting to see as a as a necessary

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Speaker 2: step forward here and understanding how this all comes together.

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Speaker 2: George Washington used the power of pardon as president for

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Speaker 2: the Whiskey rebellion, so an actual rebellion, right, an actual

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Speaker 2: insurrection of sorts, use the pardon power for those individuals

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Speaker 2: who for some of the individuals who were engaged in that,

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Speaker 2: to give them amnesty to move the country forward. So

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Speaker 2: it is interesting at some level. I think that there's

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say optimism, because we're just at

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Speaker 2: the beginning of all of this, but the founding fathers,

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Speaker 2: what they said, what they said in motion was pretty

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Speaker 2: damn smart. And you can see how this of ability

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Speaker 2: to heal the nation that is written into the Constitution

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Speaker 2: through the power of pardon. I think we think of

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Speaker 2: a lot now as oh, it's something you do at

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Speaker 2: the end for some people maybe that are connected, or

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Speaker 2: maybe that you think got a rough sentence or something

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Speaker 2: it's on the way out. It's actually really important. It's

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Speaker 2: a really important political mechanism for bringing the country together.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Washington himself recognized that.

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Speaker 1: No, and Buck building on the history here, think about

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Speaker 1: how Lincoln was going to respond to the Civil War

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Speaker 1: when it ended. Think about how for those of you

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Speaker 1: who have studied history, think about how Grant responded when

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Speaker 1: Lee surrendered to him, and there were criticisms then that

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Speaker 1: Grant had been far too conciliatory in what he allowed

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Speaker 1: the Confederate soldiers to keep, I think a weapon, if

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Speaker 1: I remember correctly, their horses. They fed them almost immediately

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Speaker 1: because the Confederate Army had virtually no rations, so they

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Speaker 1: put they didn't just lay down arms. Remember if you

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Speaker 1: study when the when the Confederate Army turned their muskets

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Speaker 1: over Joshua Warrence Chamberlain had all of the Union soldiers

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Speaker 1: standing there salute the Confederate Army as they walked by,

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Speaker 1: honoring them at a time, you know.

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Speaker 2: One of the more powerful, Yeah, one of the more

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Speaker 2: powerful moments in Band of Brothers, one of the you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of very powerful moments and

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Speaker 2: Band Brothers, to be clear, but one of the more memorable,

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Speaker 2: I should say, is you recall he wasn't s s,

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Speaker 2: but it was the German. Uh, the German essentially general

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Speaker 2: of an area, was allowed to once they had surrendered

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Speaker 2: and once the war was over, address his soldiers with

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Speaker 2: some dignity. Now you could say, oh my gosh, you

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Speaker 2: know they had been in World War two and all

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Speaker 2: the atrocities. Yes, but they were trying to pacify that

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Speaker 2: it was actually an Austria, I believe is where this

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Speaker 2: part of them and the idea was, do we want

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Speaker 2: to keep fighting in you know, because because Hitler had

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Speaker 2: a whole plan for an you know, in urgency to

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Speaker 2: continue and go to the mountains of Bavaria and the

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Speaker 2: whole thing. Do we want this to stop and everyone

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Speaker 2: gets to live in a more peaceful future and stop

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Speaker 2: shooting each other or not, And that was some of

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Speaker 2: these concessions. Some of these concessions were made. Mercy is

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Speaker 2: a part of justice is really the fundamental principle.

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Speaker 1: And if you study appomatics, and I'm a nerd, I

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Speaker 1: have There was an argument made to Lee generally by

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Speaker 1: some of his soldiers, Yes, we're in dire straits. Now

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Speaker 1: disband the army, but let's continue guerrilla combat until the

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Speaker 1: South can end up with its own independence. Like in

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Speaker 1: other words, the tens of thousands of men that are

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Speaker 1: currently in the Army of Northern Virginia, just have them

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Speaker 1: sneak out and then we'll have all of these different

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Speaker 1: rebel bands that are able to arise and attack and

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Speaker 1: will never allow the South to be conquered because we'll

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Speaker 1: basically have perpetual war and aggression at least that he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. And so the way that that response is,

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Speaker 1: this is what I'm hitting at. If Joe Biden actually

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Speaker 1: was the person that he claimed that he was a unifier,

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Speaker 1: like what his whole campaign was, Yes, if he were that,

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Speaker 1: then that would be a strong argument to make. I

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Speaker 1: would also say this Buck. This is why I was

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Speaker 1: so fired up about Pence, because Pence his entire campaign

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Speaker 1: for people who remember when I asked him about the

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Speaker 1: pardon thing. I think it's important to stand on principle

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Speaker 1: over politics. And that's not just a phrase. If you

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Speaker 1: and I would say the same thing to Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: to Mike Pence, to everybody else. What is happening to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is wrong and it should be considered wrong,

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Speaker 1: whether you're a Democrat, whether you're a Republican, or whether

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Speaker 1: you're an independent, and I would encourage And this is

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Speaker 1: when we had DeSantis on I made the argument at

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Speaker 1: the time. I think DeSantis should have come out aggressively

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Speaker 1: immediately and said, yes, I'm going to pardon Trump because

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Speaker 1: it's it's wrong. And I think you could make the

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Speaker 1: same argument on Hunter Biden, because then it gets harder

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Speaker 1: to attack the Trump thing and just say, look, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that we should try to put people in

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Speaker 1: prison who are involved in politics. As a principle, one

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Speaker 1: opposition party shouldn't be trying to do it to the other.

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Speaker 2: When you look at the history of this country of

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Speaker 2: the usage of the pardon power, it has been deployed

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Speaker 2: in order to try to heal the nation in some

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Speaker 2: way and move it forward, not based on this person

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Speaker 2: was innocent or didn't do bad things, or you know whatever.

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Speaker 2: Some of the did terrible things, but it's there is

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Speaker 2: something more here than retributive justice in this case, there

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Speaker 2: can be something bigger. I mean you think even of

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Speaker 2: the pardon of the head of the con I mean

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Speaker 2: there was the pardon of the head of Confederacy by

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Speaker 2: President Johnson, right, yeah, which was, you know, people, very

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Speaker 2: controversial and unconditional and without reservation, full pardon, an amnesty

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Speaker 2: for treason against the United States, the Whiskey Rebellion, George

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Speaker 2: Washington for insurrection against the United States.

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Speaker 1: So for all these people who were saying, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's this is what needs to happen, and it's terrible.

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Speaker 2: And and uh, you know, the country's gonna come apart

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Speaker 2: at the seams. There is this mechanism here for trying

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Speaker 2: to move forward. But the question is who's going to

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Speaker 2: have that power and who's willing to use it? And

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Speaker 2: what would Donald Trump if he wins?

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Speaker 1: What whose statesman like enough to that's right? That's the challenge.

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Speaker 2: Who would who would step up to move the country

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Speaker 2: forward in that way? Now I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: people right now thinking this is even crazy talk. We

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Speaker 2: got to get in there and we have to we

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Speaker 2: have to win. That's that's step one. But what does

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Speaker 2: it look like afterwards? So I view it as there's

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Speaker 2: the founders were really smart. They thought this stuff through,

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Speaker 2: they understood history, and you know, I don't think national

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Speaker 2: divorce is an inevitability here. You know, if Trump wins,

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Speaker 2: there are other options.

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Speaker 1: We'll get you being super optimistic, and I, because I'm

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Speaker 1: going on vacation, I'm in a good route today, I

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Speaker 1: would say this. Think about it two different perspectivectives. There's

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Speaker 1: the eye for an eye retributive justice, which is, Okay,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to put us in prison, We're going to

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Speaker 1: try to put them in prison. I think that threat

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Speaker 1: is necessary but there's also a redemptive instead of retributive justice,

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Speaker 1: there is a redemptive aspect of this, which is we're

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Speaker 1: going to be equal parts forgiving. And that's why I said, like,

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Speaker 1: if Joe Biden was who he claimed to be, he

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Speaker 1: and he would say, this is nasty, this is toxic,

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Speaker 1: It's time to turn the page. Let's argue about ideas.

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Speaker 1: He's not that person. If he were, that's what he

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Speaker 1: would do. But I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I know, for and right now, the posture from Trump

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Speaker 2: has to be scorched earth, all out anything to beat them,

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Speaker 2: and I think that that's the correct posture in his mindset.

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Speaker 2: But remember all the locker up chants, all the locker

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Speaker 2: up chants. What happened when Trump won that incredible twenty

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Speaker 2: sixteen victory. He put the best interest of the country forward. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that Democrats would do this. That's why

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Speaker 2: winning is so important. But I think that it may

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Speaker 1: One truth revealed after another Clay Travis and Buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: buck off to Scotland with a quick stop with Greg

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Speaker 1: Guttfeld in the meantime, should be a really cool trip.

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Speaker 1: I'm jealous of the fun that he is going to

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Speaker 1: have there. We'll be with you all next week. And

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Speaker 1: as we were just talking with Buck, breaking news here

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Speaker 1: and I put up a poll question because I'm curious

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Speaker 1: how you guys would respond to this. Donald Trump, according

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Speaker 1: to The New York Times, has made the decision to

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Speaker 1: skip the first Republican debate that is in Milwaukee on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday of next week, and instead, according to the Times,

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Speaker 1: airs at the same time. In theory that interview would

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Speaker 1: air on on I guess Twitter through Tucker Carlson's Twitter platform.

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Speaker 1: There you can go vote in the poll because I'm

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Speaker 1: curious to see what you guys would say. Hundreds of

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Speaker 1: you voting right now at Clay Travis. You can find

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter right now with one thousand votes in

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Speaker 1: fifty four percent say it's a good move, forty six

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Speaker 1: percent say it's a bad move. We'll see how those

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Speaker 1: You guys can react to that news as well on

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Speaker 1: the on the phone lines now. The other aspect of

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Speaker 1: this as we get ready for the official first primary

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Speaker 1: in I guess it's caucus in Iowa in January. The

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Speaker 1: everybody out there who's listening, We've had every single Republican

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Speaker 1: candidate major at least least on this program. You've had

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to listen to them talk with all of you.

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Speaker 1: But how are these guys going to appeal to a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who are just casually paying attention? Now,

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Speaker 1: this will detract. I would think Trump doing a sit

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Speaker 1: would think there will be twenty million people who will

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Speaker 1: sit down, turn on the television, turn on the television,

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Speaker 1: and watch that debate take place. And we were talking

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Speaker 1: about the fact that Ron DeSantis' debate prep has leaked.

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Speaker 1: But I think based on how that first debate goes,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be able to say there's only four

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Speaker 1: or five legitimate candidates right now. Everybody else is done.

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Speaker 1: And I would say, right now, if I were power

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Speaker 1: ranking the candidates, I would say that there is a

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Speaker 1: clear number one, he's Donald Trump. He believes he's done

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Speaker 1: so much and done enough to get your vote that

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Speaker 1: he's not even going to show up for the Republican

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Speaker 1: debate in August, to slap in the face in many

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Speaker 1: ways to the RNC, certainly a direct slap in the

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Speaker 1: face to Fox News. If Trump doesn't show up at all,

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Speaker 1: he thinks he's done enough, he thinks he's going to

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Speaker 1: be the nominee. He's already focused on the general. Trump

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Speaker 1: is clearly number one right now as you would assess

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Speaker 1: the power rankings. Number two I would still say is

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Speaker 1: run DeSantis. But I would say that Vivik Ramaswami is

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Speaker 1: far closer to DeSantis now at two than anybody is

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Speaker 1: to Trump at one. In other words, if this were

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Speaker 1: the horse race metaphor, Trump is far out into the distance.

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Speaker 1: He's created space for himself the likes of which nobody really,

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Speaker 1: I think, would have expected. I told this Trump to

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Speaker 1: Trump yesterday when I saw him here in Nashville, said,

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. If you had told

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Speaker 1: me in January that you were going to have opened

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Speaker 1: up a forty point lead on the rest of the poll,

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Speaker 1: I would have said, there's no way that would have happened.

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Speaker 1: So I mean I said it to Trump myself yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I never thought that he would open up this big

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Speaker 1: of a lead. But he has forty point lead, thirty

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Speaker 1: point lead, whatever you want to say. Trump is far

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Speaker 1: out ahead, so far out ahead that he doesn't even

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Speaker 1: think he really needs I told you that in his

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Speaker 1: Nashville event that I attended. He barely mentioned any of

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Speaker 1: the other Republican candidates. Almost his entire speech was focused

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Speaker 1: on how bad of a job Joe Biden has done.

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Speaker 1: Trump is starting to pivot towards the general election already

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Speaker 1: because he believes he's going to be the nominee. So

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Speaker 1: it's Trump second place. I would still say DeSantis, but

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Speaker 1: Viveke Rama Swami has edged up. And if you question that,

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Speaker 1: you can look at the advice that DeSantis's team published

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Speaker 1: that everybody was reading. That was a lead story yesterday

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Speaker 1: where they said, hey, you need to attack Viveke Rama

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Speaker 1: Swami because the debate now is going to be an

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Speaker 1: audition for number two, which I will get to in

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Speaker 1: a moment. So you got the vag Ramaswami I think

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Speaker 1: is clearly in the third spot. In the fourth spot,

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Speaker 1: I would say probably, depending on how you want to

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Speaker 1: assess Iowa and how you want to assess New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: I think you'd probably say Tim Scott and he's about

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Speaker 1: to spend a lot of money. He has big dollars

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Speaker 1: behind him. And then in the five spot, I would

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Speaker 1: say Chris Christy. I think everybody else is done, and

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Speaker 1: you could say, well, Chris Christy has no chance. Chris

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Speaker 1: Christy is number two in some of the New Hampshire polling.

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Speaker 1: I think there are five guys and they're all guys.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody else is done. I think Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: is done. I think Nikki Hayley is done. I think

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Speaker 1: that Doug Bergram, however you pronounce his name, I think

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Speaker 1: he never had a chance. And Larry Elder and Will

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Speaker 1: Hurd and all these other guys out there that are

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Speaker 1: running that most of you have never heard of. I

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Speaker 1: think all those guys are finished, the five contenders right now.

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Speaker 1: And if you listen to what Trump's saying, he's saying

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Speaker 1: everybody else should drop out. The Wall Street Journal interesting editorial.

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Speaker 1: They're saying, actually, we need limited number of candidates going forward.

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Speaker 1: Because there's too much distraction. I think there are five guys,

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Speaker 1: five guys that still have a chance, a lot of

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Speaker 1: them very small chance. Trump's a prohibitive favorite at this point.

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Speaker 1: There's five guys that still have a chance. I would

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Speaker 1: suggest to you that unless something crazy happens, what comes

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Speaker 1: out of Wednesday's debate is going to be those five

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Speaker 1: guys have a chance. Everybody else is done as we

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Speaker 1: get ready for the September debate, and I think based

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Speaker 1: on the precedent that is now out there, Trump is

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Speaker 1: making the decision to say I am not going to

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Speaker 1: debate at all because I don't need to. Everybody knows me.

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Speaker 1: I'm the choice. And the question that is out there

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Speaker 1: that you guys are going to have to decide is

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Speaker 1: you will watch the debate on Wednesday. Most of you

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Speaker 1: have opinions pro or con of Trump already, and there

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Speaker 1: will be I think four guys on that debate stage

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Speaker 1: that stand out. I think it will be Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: I think it will be the veg g Ramaswami. I

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Speaker 1: think it will be Tim Scott, and I think it'll

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Speaker 1: be Chris Christy and that's it. I think you're gonna

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Speaker 1: look at everybody else and be like yeah, thanks, no thanks.

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Speaker 1: So the question becomes how quickly does everybody else come

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Speaker 1: to this same conclusion that I'm coming to. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, eight hundred and eight two two eight eight two,

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Speaker 1: you may look at me and say, Clay, your power five,

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Speaker 1: your ranking of the Republican candidates is totally wrong. Somebody

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Speaker 1: else out there has a chance. I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen anybody else outside of those five do

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Speaker 1: anything to elevate elevate themselves into the first tiers. You

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Speaker 1: remember when they had the AD team debate and the

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Speaker 1: B team debate on Fox News back in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: and they had so many people running that they had

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Speaker 1: the second tier contenders and they had their own like debate.

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Speaker 1: I went to a seventh grade football game last night.

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Speaker 1: My seventh grader started to play. It's basically JV. It's

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Speaker 1: only seventh graders. Then they have the eighth grade, then

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Speaker 1: they got the JV, then they got the actual varsity.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've got the varsity squad. The varsity

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Speaker 1: squad is the five I just mentioned. Now, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that all of those guys are going to have

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Speaker 1: a shot to win meaning I don't think Chris Christy

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Speaker 1: is suddenly going to surge up. But I do think

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Speaker 1: fifteen percent or twenty percent of people might be willing

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Speaker 1: to support Chris Christy, and I think he could make

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Speaker 1: a real run in New Hampshire in the northeast, where

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party has a different vibe than it does

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Speaker 1: in South Carolina, let's say, than it does in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: It's a different kind of electorate. It's only five guys.

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Speaker 1: Trump is saying, I'm the King, I'm the guy. I

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Speaker 1: don't even need to worry about these other four guys.

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Speaker 1: They are running to be my VP basically, and they

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Speaker 1: can audition and they can fight. Now the question that's

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Speaker 1: going to emerge, I really believe Ron DeSantis doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to be Trump's VP, and given the complexities of them

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Speaker 1: both being from the state of Florida, I think DeSantis

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Speaker 1: is the one guy you can say there's no chance

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Speaker 1: he's going to be Trump's VP. I don't think the

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Speaker 1: math on it works. I don't think he wants it.

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Speaker 1: Chris Christy clearly doesn't want it. He hates Trump. He's

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Speaker 1: running basically to attack Trump. That would suggest that Vivey

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Speaker 1: Ramaswami and Tim Scott are actually the two contenders in

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Speaker 1: the Republican debates and in the overall race that are

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Speaker 1: angling for each other. So here's an early preview for you.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you can tell what the candidates think of their

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Speaker 1: positioning not by what they say about others, but by

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Speaker 1: how they go after each other. Desantas sees Vivek as

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Speaker 1: a threat. That's who he's going to attack because he's

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Speaker 1: trying to preserve his number two spot. Vivek, I think,

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Speaker 1: sees both this Scantists, but more primarily Tim Scott as

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Speaker 1: his debate because I think in the back of his mind,

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Speaker 1: Veke is contemplating, Hey, I could be VP. Who's my

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Speaker 1: top opposition of the candidates to be Trump's VP. I

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Speaker 1: think it's Tim Scott. So I bet there'll be some

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Speaker 1: fireworks potentially between Viveake and Tim Scott on that debate stage.

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Speaker 1: And then Chris Christie's just going to be running around

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Speaker 1: trying to mow people down like crazy, but in particular,

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Speaker 1: his primary point of attack is going to be going

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Speaker 1: after Donald Trump. That's my preview by the way of

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Speaker 1: where we are heading. And let me just say this,

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Speaker 1: I do think you need to contemplate and think about it.

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Speaker 1: You may have a strong opinion of many of these candidates.

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Speaker 1: Right now, you're listening to this show, you're plugged in politically.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people aren't paying attention. Your neighbor has

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Speaker 1: probably been way more focused on trying to make sure

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Speaker 1: their kidsids are ready to start school and not paying

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Speaker 1: attention to the nitty gritty of the Republican debate five

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Speaker 1: months before anybody's going to be able to vote in

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Speaker 1: the primary. So my bet is that the theke is

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Speaker 1: going to emerge from this Republican debate. A ton of

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Speaker 1: people are going to be like, I've never heard of

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Speaker 1: this dude before. I think he's going to really surge.

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Speaker 1: And I think then you're going to have a real battle,

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Speaker 1: because remember you want to be the alternative to Trump.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's really fighting for the number two spot right now

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Speaker 1: in this race. I think what we're going to see

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Speaker 1: is those five guys are going to emerge Trump who's

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Speaker 1: just laid out, DeSantis, Vivek, Scott, and Christy And that's it.

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Speaker 1: And really, if the RNC was doing its job, it

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Speaker 1: so we don't have this huge mass of candidates. If

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Speaker 1: you can't get the number of donors, you're not a

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Speaker 1: viable candidate. I understand why you want to run. It

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Speaker 1: makes you money. You can sell more books, something that

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Speaker 1: I certainly know about. I'm on the book selling tour

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Speaker 1: right now. But these guys, a lot of them, and

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Speaker 1: these girls don't really have a chance to actually end

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Speaker 1: up as the nominee. And once you know that you're

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Speaker 5: the whole time, right, especially for it to air at

861
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Speaker 5: the exact same time. I mean, listen, I think for

862
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 5: those of us who follow politics, it would have been haaspening,

863
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 5: would have been great TV for him to join. But

864
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 5: I mean, strategically, it's probably really smart and oh, by

865
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 5: the way, it's August of twenty three. He's got time

866
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 5: for that. It just made me smile when I heard

867
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 5: you sharing the news just there, because it's exactly what

868
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 5: we should have expected.

869
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: All Right, Let's I bet a lot of our audience

870
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: will know who you are. Certainly we've been friends for

871
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: a long time. But I want for people because this

872
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: is obviously a different audience than just a traditional sports audience. Yeah,

873
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: you have been with ESPN for how long? What is

874
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: your background? How would you describe yourself to Let's be

875
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: at a little bit bruggadocious here, the biggest audience in

876
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: all of radio that might not all know you already, Sage,

877
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Who are you and and what's your background?

878
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 5: My favorite thing about you is your humility. I started

879
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 5: EDDIESCN in February of two thousand and seven. My kids

880
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 5: were eleven months all at the time, eleven months, two

881
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 5: and four, and now they're seventeen, nineteen, and twenty one,

882
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 5: and the older two just got back to college at

883
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 5: High Point University in North Carolina for their sophomore and

884
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 5: junior years. And my youngest is about the senior in

885
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 5: high school, and she's celebrating because get the house to herself,

886
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 5: no arguments about the car with their siblings. And you

887
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 5: know what, my kids, my parents, my family. That's what

888
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 5: I'm all about. That is what has always driven me,

889
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 5: especially over the last couple of years when things have

890
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 5: kind of gone in directions that I never could have

891
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 5: dreamt of. But I mean the background background, and I'll

892
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 5: just be quick is yeah, I'm a proud Army brat.

893
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 5: My dad is a retired Army colonel. He just turned

894
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 5: seventy seven years old. And the reason I love sports

895
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 5: and had this crazy dream of being a sportscaster back

896
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 5: in the eighties. I mean, I'm fifty, so back in

897
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 5: the eighties when women weren't doing this. It's because my

898
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 5: dad and his athleticism and his history. That's what drove

899
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 5: me out of a daddy's girl. Still am, and I

900
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 5: bragg about my dad because he won't. But he broke

901
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 5: the color barrier at West Point, the first black man

902
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 5: to ever play varsity football there, and he was an

903
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 5: All American tight end way back then at six six

904
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 5: and a half in the sixties. He was massive, and

905
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 5: he was principled and he is an incredible man and

906
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 5: my hero, and he and the principles that he instilled

907
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 5: in me and my brothers. That's what drives me, and

908
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 5: that's what really keeps me strong, even with things that

909
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 5: I never thought i'd ever be talking about or doing.

910
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: That is a fantastic story about your dad. I know,

911
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: we have a lot of West Point grads and also

912
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: people who were certainly in the armed forces today that

913
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: are listening to and that is a fabulous story. Okay,

914
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: so you started at ESPN in February of two thousand

915
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: and seven. It doesn't feel like that long ago, but

916
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you saw in terms of the trajectory

917
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: of ESPN, which I think it's fair to say back

918
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: in February of two thousand and seven, I'll be honest.

919
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean I would have said, Hey, that's just a

920
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: sports network. You go there to find out who won

921
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: a game. You go there to find out who got traded,

922
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: who's signing as a free agent. You put on Sports Center,

923
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: you kick back, and you have a beer and you

924
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: enjoy whatever the nightly news was associated with sports. I

925
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: bet that's probably what you found it to be. Like

926
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: in February of two thousand and seven, you just left

927
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: ESPN and announced you were leaving this week. How did

928
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: things change from February of two thousand and seven to

929
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: you deciding that you wanted to leave and what you

930
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: said was a dream job that you.

931
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 5: Had at ESPE Yeah, I mean I play. Everyone who

932
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 5: knows me knows that this absolutely was my dream and

933
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 5: since I was eleven years old and announced I wanted

934
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 5: to be a sportscaster, to the shock of my parents

935
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 5: because I was like this super shy, quiet little girl,

936
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 5: and they're like, really, I want to do this, then

937
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 5: you might have to talk every once in a while

938
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 5: and not hide between our legs, so they listen. They

939
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 5: watched me every single day that they could over the

940
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 5: last sixteen and a half years at ADOESPN and kind

941
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 5: of just in awe because of how I really had

942
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 5: to transform as a person to live out this dream

943
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 5: and get over that shyness. And I still have it sometimes.

944
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 5: I just how to flip that switch pretty well. Back then,

945
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 5: in two thousand and seven, it was just a different world.

946
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 5: Social media wasn't a thing. We were strongly encouraged EDIOSPN

947
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 5: to get onto Twitter. I think I saw it the

948
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 5: other day when I was changing my bio at the

949
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 5: top of my Twitter page that April nine. I think

950
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 5: it's when I joined and there wasn't a thing called

951
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 5: Twitter and social media. I mean, I wasn't part of

952
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 5: my Space running that crap because I was too old

953
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 5: for that at the time. I think, I know, I

954
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 5: was old and married and busy. Social media has changed everything,

955
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 5: because I think back then it really was must be TV.

956
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 5: People really did need to come to us for the

957
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 5: news at breaking news, you know, and it would we

958
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 5: would promote it on the radio during the sports and

959
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 5: our updates during whatever radio show. There was probably Colin

960
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 5: Coward show and it's like watch Sports in Art six

961
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 5: pm or whatever it was. So times have just changed.

962
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 5: The talent group has changed. Stuart Scott, my late great

963
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 5: dear friend, you know, he was Stuart then. Man, he

964
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 5: there were we had came in, we had all of

965
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 5: the great Dan Patrick was leaving. I think right as

966
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 5: I was arriving. I remember seeing him in the stairway

967
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 5: once and and like hyperventilating because I'm like, that's Dan Patrick.

968
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 5: It was. It was a different time. It was a

969
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 5: beautiful time there, and I remember being scared to death

970
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 5: to walk in there, and it really is an incredible

971
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 5: place with a campus that truly is like a college

972
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 5: campus with some awesome people that I mean it when

973
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 5: I say this, I'm sad because of so many great,

974
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 5: great people and great experiences that I had, and I

975
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 5: have zero regrets. But it certainly has changed that. I

976
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 5: think every network has changed since two thousand and seven.

977
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so do you remember and for people who don't know,

978
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: you got suspended because you went on Jay Cutler's podcast.

979
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler's a friend of mine, he lives here in Nashville,

980
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: former NFL quarterback. And basically you said, hey, I don't

981
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: think they should have mandated the COVID shot. You had

982
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: some other things to say, but I want to start

983
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: before we get to that. Do you remember a moment

984
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: in time where you thought, Hey, this doesn't just feel

985
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: like a sports network anymore. It feels very political too.

986
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember a moment in time or an event

987
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: that occurred where you sort of thought, hey, looking back,

988
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: this is the line of demarcation, this is when things changed.

989
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 5: I do think it was kind of a gradual process.

990
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 5: I do. I think it kind of steels like it

991
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 5: snuck up on us. But listen, through the years, we

992
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 5: always remember Andy Katz, who is so great one of

993
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 5: our layoffs that really hurt us back. I think he

994
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 5: was part of the twenty seventeen layoff. But college basketball

995
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 5: reporter and insider, he's an awesome human and really damn

996
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 5: getting his job. And every single year he came up

997
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 5: with the idea to go to the White House and

998
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 5: had Barack Obama do the bracketology and full out the

999
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 5: brackets because Obama was such a basketball fan, and it

1000
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 5: felt okay. Then I remember saying, wait a minute, Trump

1001
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 5: like sports too, why why aren't we going to the

1002
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 5: White House? You know with college football stuff. I don't

1003
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 5: know he used to own a football team, right or

1004
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 5: the XFL like I USFL. I really thought, well, why

1005
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 5: aren't we doing it now? And I remember asking that

1006
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 5: question and you know, didn't really get answers, so to

1007
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 5: me it felt gradual. I think during the Trump term

1008
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 5: things really changed again. I know that we aren't the

1009
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 5: only place is It changed everywhere, but it seemed like

1010
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 5: that's when it became okay in our country to just

1011
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 5: outwardly bash the administration. And I get it, and that's

1012
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 5: what people's rights are and that's something I will always

1013
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 5: stand up for. It's just if you did bash or

1014
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 5: say something critical during the Obama administration. It was completely unacceptable.

1015
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's interesting because and I want to go

1016
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: to the COVID shot in particular, and I bet you

1017
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: would agree. If someone had come out and said, oh,

1018
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: one hundred percent Disney should mandate the COVID shot, they

1019
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: would have not gotten criticized at all, probably would have

1020
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: gotten praised. You said the opposite. And what was the

1021
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: reaction when you went on that podcast? And then you

1022
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: also said you're uh as you mentioned your dad was

1023
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: I think the first black football player at West Point,

1024
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: your mom is white, your mixed race like Barack Obama.

1025
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: You also talked about that your experience is just as

1026
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: valid is his experience, and ESPN just basically said, oh,

1027
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: Sage Steel, you can't have the opinions that you shared,

1028
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: even though you shared them out of work. I think

1029
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: it's such a fascinating dynamic of what happened to you.

1030
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 5: It's fascinating. That's a word to use, for sure. That's

1031
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 5: one that I've used others, but that one works. I

1032
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 5: you're right, and that's why I said a million times

1033
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 5: that if I had said, shame on all these anti vaxxers,

1034
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 5: you apparently don't care about your neighbors and your coworkers,

1035
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 5: and you're gonna, you know, horror mothers and kill others,

1036
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 5: and how selfish you are, because that's what was being

1037
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: told to people like me who just questioned it. I

1038
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 5: was never against the vaccine. I was against the mandate

1039
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 5: or being forced to take it or anything. I mean,

1040
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 5: and it's kind of consistent. I hadn't given my kids

1041
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 5: a flu shot in probably a decade, not because I

1042
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 5: had really researched free shots, frankly, if more because I forgot.

1043
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm an imperfect mother in more ways than one.

1044
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 5: They'll tell you that I've forgotten. And I was like, wow,

1045
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 5: and they've gone for several years now and haven't ever

1046
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 5: gotten six, So just keep it going if I don't

1047
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 5: have to put more shots. And so it really came organically.

1048
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 5: But to me, I was very apprehensive just from the

1049
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 5: basic research that I did because I didn't go too

1050
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 5: deep on it. You didn't have to. But to see

1051
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 5: how quickly it was being forced the vaccine and it

1052
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 5: became political, that's when I was like, wait a minute,

1053
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 5: this makes me uncomfortable, and I just want to wait.

1054
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 5: Can I just wait a little bit longer. It give

1055
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 5: me six months to make sure that we totally know

1056
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 5: the effect of this vaccine, knowing that the FDA usually

1057
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 5: takes what six to nine years on average to approve vaccines,

1058
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 5: and this is six months. So I had a problem

1059
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 5: with it, and especially with my kids, who you know,

1060
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 5: the goalpost kept moving with it. Right first, it was

1061
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 5: kids under twenty, you know, don't worry about it. You're fine,

1062
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 5: you're healthy, you don't have to worry about it. And

1063
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 5: then the age kept lowering, and I just the inconsistencies

1064
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 5: made me question it, and so I listened. I waited

1065
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 5: to the very I waited till that day, the very

1066
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 5: last day I could have gotten shot in order to

1067
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 5: be to have followed the rules and to be fully

1068
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 5: vexed by the I think it was the September thirtieth deadline,

1069
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 5: and I waited till the last second because it's clay.

1070
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 5: I didn't want to do it, and I wasn't going

1071
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Speaker 5: to do it. I was going to take a chance

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Speaker 5: and I guess maybe get fired. I didn't know. But

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Speaker 5: at the end of the day, I have three kids

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Speaker 5: at the time, one was in college, and you know,

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Speaker 5: financially I'm I'm divorced, and financially it's all on me

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Speaker 5: one hundred percent, so I couldn't and I did what

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Speaker 5: I had to do despite being disgusted with myself or

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00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 5: caving is the way I viewed myself at that point

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Speaker 5: and giving me into what I believed, especially being forced

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Speaker 5: to do something to my body, so that I did

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Speaker 5: what I had to do at that time, and I

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00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,479
Speaker 5: just prayed that if something came at this vaccine, you know, fine,

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00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 5: let it be me, just don't let it be my kids,

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Speaker 5: which they're not vaccinated. But trust me when I say

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Speaker 5: I didn't take it lightly, and I did. I ran

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Speaker 5: literally from getting the damn shot, ran home to do

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Speaker 5: the podcast with Jay that I almost missed because I

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Speaker 5: was struggling so much with taking the shot itself. And

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Speaker 5: I came on and I had to band it on

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Speaker 5: my shoulder and I wasn't thinking about it, and just

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Speaker 5: we started talking and he asked, and I wanted to

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00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 5: pready to answer the question. I complied. I did what

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Speaker 5: he needed to do, and that was the other thing.

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Speaker 5: It's like I complied in volonging the rules, and I

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00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 5: can have an opinion because, like you said, if i'd

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Speaker 5: had the other opinion, I probably wouldn't have hurt from anybody.

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Speaker 1: Would you have ever believed when you started at ESPN

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Speaker 1: back in February of two thousand and seven that saying

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Speaker 1: men who identify as women shouldn't be champions would be

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00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: considered a controversial, controversial opinion to have anywhere, but much

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Speaker 1: less at a sports network, And for you and Sam

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Speaker 1: Ponder in particular, to be called bigots by other women

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Speaker 1: who work at ESPN for having that opinion. What does

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Speaker 1: that say about the perspective of ESPN when you get

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Speaker 1: suspended for questioning the COVID shot and other coworkers can

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Speaker 1: call you a bigot for not believing that men who

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Speaker 1: pretend to be women should be women's champions and nothing

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Speaker 1: at all happens to them.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a couple of different topics there. With the

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Speaker 5: transgender I wouldn't believed it two years ago, much less

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Speaker 5: than two thousand and seven. I still can't believe it,

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Speaker 5: and that's why I really won't even bother. I'm happy

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Speaker 5: to have discussions in conversation that's actually that to me

1114
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 5: is what is missing in this country right now, as

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Speaker 5: people are either afraid or unwilling to have conversations about

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Speaker 5: important topics. But this to me is useless because it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: And for all those people who preach science, especially over

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Speaker 5: the last couple of years, they're conveniently ignoring science right now.

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Speaker 5: So this is just a ridiculous topic to me. And

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Speaker 5: I knew that when I tweeted about it that it would, yeah,

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Speaker 5: not be appreciated by some, But you get to the

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Speaker 5: point where you cannot stay. For me, I couldn't stay

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Speaker 5: silent anymore, especially about something that is so important. I

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Speaker 5: have been on record for years, not obviously just as

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Speaker 5: a woman in a man's world, but as a woman

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Speaker 5: fighting for other women and young women, especially a mother

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Speaker 5: with two daughters and a son who I want to,

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Speaker 5: you know, really raise as a man and to respect

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Speaker 5: women and women are equal and we can do the

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Speaker 5: same things you can, as far as you know, what

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Speaker 5: we are worth, what we can do professionally, so many things,

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Speaker 5: and so to have this as a thing again, I

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Speaker 5: used to host the espnW Summit, which I was so

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Speaker 5: proud of for the first ten years eleven years if

1135
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Speaker 5: it exists, and on that stage, all I would do

1136
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Speaker 5: was help uplift women and let's have these conversations, and

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Speaker 5: why are we making us here or there? Why are

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Speaker 5: we doing fewer women's highlights and certain parts of our network,

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Speaker 5: Like let's be equal, and so for all of those

1140
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Speaker 5: women to be silent right now, I'm like, where are you?

1141
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Speaker 5: Where are you? Ladies? This one is it either you

1142
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Speaker 5: support women as a whole or you don't, and you

1143
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Speaker 5: can't pick or choose. I think the funniest part to me,

1144
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Speaker 5: and it really made me laugh, is when Megan Rappino

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Speaker 5: called me out as well as Martina Nevertilova and Dave Chappelle,

1146
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Speaker 5: and I was like, that's awesome company. I love Chappelle.

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Speaker 5: As far as our opinions on biological men, forget biological

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Speaker 5: men playing women's sports, and that by standing up for

1149
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Speaker 5: women that I'm promoting violence against the transgender community, I

1150
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Speaker 5: just can't. That's why I mean, I don't even bother

1151
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Speaker 5: responding to some of that because it's not worth it.

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Speaker 5: So I'm sad where we are. I'm grateful that my

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Speaker 5: girls are no longer really playing competitive sports, because that

1154
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Speaker 5: would be, I would be a nuisance to these people.

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Speaker 1: Can you stick with us a little bit of time?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you've got, But I got a

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Speaker 1: couple more questions for you.

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Speaker 5: Clay. You know what I'm doing. I'm sitting in a

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Speaker 5: I haven't been unemployed in thirty five years, so I'm like,

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Speaker 5: I can sit as long as you want here.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's keep hanging then. By the way, if

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