Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with
Speaker 1: me your girl, Danielle Moody. Back in the home bunker, folks,
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to have a conversation with our friend
Speaker 1: or in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Mesil about the latest
Speaker 1: news around monkey pocks. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: I will say, and I say this to you all
Speaker 1: all the time, but it's it's really for you to
Speaker 1: tell the people who are in your network, who are
Speaker 1: your friends and your family, we are at a point
Speaker 1: in time where we need to be intellectually nimble. What
Speaker 1: does that mean. It means that when you receive information
Speaker 1: in does not mean that that is the only new
Speaker 1: information that is going to be coming your way. That
Speaker 1: as we learn more right, that information is then shared
Speaker 1: with you and your understanding then grows. What I think
Speaker 1: is happening right now is that we have always understood
Speaker 1: science to be very black and white. Right, either the
Speaker 1: sky is blue or it is not, water is wet
Speaker 1: or it is not right. And where we are in
Speaker 1: this world of viruses is that scientists and doctors are
Speaker 1: studying and learning, and as they are learning, they are sharing.
Speaker 1: Are they sharing in the best fucking ways? Possible. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Are they making things a hell of a lot more
Speaker 1: confusing then they need to be sure. Is racism and
Speaker 1: homophobia and transphobia guiding some of the ways that they
Speaker 1: are delving into this monkeypox situation one hundred percent, But
Speaker 1: that does not mean that then we shut off our
Speaker 1: receptors and stop taking in new knowledge because we don't
Speaker 1: like the way that it's coming out. And that's what
Speaker 1: I see happening. And Jonathan and I will get into
Speaker 1: a deeper conversation with regard to what it is that
Speaker 1: we need to do in order to continue to keep
Speaker 1: ourselves and the people around us safe, because that's what
Speaker 1: this all gets back to. Right. I did not go
Speaker 1: to school to become a scientist. I do not have
Speaker 1: degrees right in virology. I do not understand how these
Speaker 1: different things are happening but seem to be happening all
Speaker 1: at the same fucking time. But what I do know
Speaker 1: is that any bit of information that I am given
Speaker 1: that is different from the one before doesn't make me
Speaker 1: assume that the initial information that I received was false.
Speaker 1: It just means that now we have more information, right,
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean by being intellectually nimble. It's
Speaker 1: allowing ourselves to take in and then once that information change,
Speaker 1: it does not mean that what we were given was false.
Speaker 1: It means that it was true at that fucking time.
Speaker 1: And I think that with viruses. If there's anything that
Speaker 1: we have learned over the past two and a half
Speaker 1: fucking years living with COVID, is that we should probably
Speaker 1: at this stage in our life expect the unexpected right
Speaker 1: to keep ourselves safe from monkeypocks. Jonathan will tell us
Speaker 1: to do the similar things that we should have been
Speaker 1: doing before COVID, but apparently not all of us do,
Speaker 1: which is wash our hands, which is clean services, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, be really keen on the people that you're
Speaker 1: bringing into your homes, into your offices, into your spaces
Speaker 1: are healthy, right that if they have lesions or they
Speaker 1: are not feeling well, that this is not the time
Speaker 1: to kind of fucking work through shit. Right. This is
Speaker 1: and I think that this is part of the problem,
Speaker 1: is the way that we've been socialized into believing that
Speaker 1: we are all machines. Right, goes back to what I
Speaker 1: said yesterday, and that we should just be powering through
Speaker 1: that when you're sick, No, you of course you don't
Speaker 1: stay home and get well. No, I must go into
Speaker 1: the office and spread my sickness all around so that
Speaker 1: people know exactly how fucking hard working and serious I am. Well.
Speaker 1: What I would love is that if people would be
Speaker 1: just as serious about making money for other people, for
Speaker 1: corporations and for other entities as they would about their
Speaker 1: own goddamn health. And maybe if we've been socialized into
Speaker 1: believing that when we are unwell, that I don't need
Speaker 1: to prove my wellness to you. I actually need to
Speaker 1: be at home getting well, then maybe we wouldn't be
Speaker 1: concerned with people spreading germs and viruses because they would
Speaker 1: have learned a long time ago that you should be
Speaker 1: taking care of yourself before you're taking care of all
Speaker 1: of these multiple tasks that are on your desk right now.
Speaker 1: That maybe that we are human beings and we should
Speaker 1: be actually living instead of just surviving. And I think
Speaker 1: that that leads back into the conversation that I had
Speaker 1: yesterday about what does it mean to be thriving instead
Speaker 1: of just surviving? And I believe that this all connects
Speaker 1: back to our understanding of how we are dealing with
Speaker 1: all of these you know, hundred year fucking viruses that
Speaker 1: seem to be becoming the norm. Also weird note, But
Speaker 1: I want to bring this up before I bring on Jonathan,
Speaker 1: which is this. The other day I was looking at
Speaker 1: National Geographics Instagram, which I follow because I love, you know,
Speaker 1: the Earth and animals and planets and this, that and
Speaker 1: the other thing. National Geographic had put up a picture
Speaker 1: of a mummy that has been defrosted. And by defrosted
Speaker 1: we mean this mummified animal that is not present in
Speaker 1: our earth as we know it now melted because the
Speaker 1: glacier melted. And now scientists get to discover and research
Speaker 1: this spectacular and I am using air quotes discovery. What
Speaker 1: the fuck do you think is going to happen when
Speaker 1: these creatures that no longer walk the planet are quote
Speaker 1: unquote defrosted because of climate change and global warning. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that the viruses and the ship that was
Speaker 1: inside of them is also going to be defrosted, right,
Speaker 1: and that we are living inside of this potential of
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park that, as all the movies show, doesn't end
Speaker 1: well for us, right, So the fact that we have
Speaker 1: mummified creatures defrosting because of climate change should send alarm
Speaker 1: Bells not the word spectacular, which is what National Geographic
Speaker 1: used in describing this new phenomenon of what we can discover,
Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure, like me, y'all don't want to
Speaker 1: discover any more new shit at this point unless it
Speaker 1: is a way onto a different planet that hasn't been
Speaker 1: fucked up by human beings let yet, and we can
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Speaker 1: All right, so I am back from a little respite
Speaker 1: and vacation, Jonathan, and so excited to be back with
Speaker 1: you on woke f and I gotta start off with
Speaker 1: the news that I saw last night before I went
Speaker 1: to bed, which probably was the reason I needed to
Speaker 1: take magnesium in order to fall asleep, which is that
Speaker 1: we've had our first transmission of monkey pox from humans
Speaker 1: to an animal, a dog in France. Two men who
Speaker 1: lived together contracted monkeypox in France, and you know they
Speaker 1: were quarantining, but we're with their dog and the dog,
Speaker 1: twelve days after they had tested positive for monkey pox,
Speaker 1: started exhibiting these same lesions and lethargic behavior. Jonathan, take
Speaker 1: it away and tell me that I'm not supposed to
Speaker 1: freak out about this, and this is totally fine, because
Speaker 1: when you said that monkeypox could find another host outside
Speaker 1: of a monkey, and I wasn't thinking dog, so I
Speaker 1: was thinking maybe squirrel. Also, you know around the United
Speaker 1: States a lot, but not necessarily as prevalent in people's
Speaker 1: homes as say a dog. So talk to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, really, this is a big deal. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, I think that the concern
Speaker 1: always was something like monkeypox has been that the minute
Speaker 1: it finds animal reservoirs, um, it's just going to be unstoppable.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of concern for people like
Speaker 1: us who live in New York is that monkeypox will
Speaker 1: end up being you know, in rats and sewers. But
Speaker 1: I think the main idea is if it's circulating in
Speaker 1: animal populations, you can't stop it. It's not like you're
Speaker 1: going to vaccinate you know, all the animals obviously, and
Speaker 1: so it's a huge deal. We knew, we knew it
Speaker 1: was coming probably. I would bet if it's a dog
Speaker 1: on Twitter, there are many other animals who have it.
Speaker 1: We just haven't heard about it because the people aren't
Speaker 1: the animals aren't tweeting about it. Um so so so
Speaker 1: I think this is a huge deal. I mean, all
Speaker 1: roads point back to we need to get people vaccinated.
Speaker 1: We need to get many, many many more people vaccinated,
Speaker 1: because if something like this is going to become endemic
Speaker 1: and also mutating and living in nature, then the only
Speaker 1: thing we can do as humans is is to vaccinate people.
Speaker 1: And I've been honestly fighting real frustration. I don't even
Speaker 1: know who am I supposed to get angry at. I mean,
Speaker 1: but we have really blown this right. We had. This
Speaker 1: is the calm before the storm period of the monkeypox era.
Speaker 1: And again, if people are going to if it's just
Speaker 1: circulating in animals and then back and forth between humans
Speaker 1: and animals, it's going to be a big deal. Now,
Speaker 1: there are plenty of other illnesses throughout history that have
Speaker 1: acted in this same way. And what we do as
Speaker 1: humans is we unlike animals, we have scientists who can
Speaker 1: then make vaccines who can then protect us. So then
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal. And the fact
Speaker 1: that there's been such an unconstable delay lag with this
Speaker 1: monkey pox. I don't know, You tell me who do
Speaker 1: I get mad at? Right? I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: the Biden administration obviously has a lot on its hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the world population is not trusting science and vaccines right now?
Speaker 1: Right man? I feel like this is going to be
Speaker 1: a big deal, and a really big deal, you know,
Speaker 1: in a couple of months, even more so, so I
Speaker 1: really want to unpack this because I think that you're
Speaker 1: asking the right question, like who are we supposed to
Speaker 1: be mad at? And frankly, like we're just mad at everybody, right, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, we've been living in you know, the last
Speaker 1: you know, two years plus, just living in what seems
Speaker 1: like pure mayhem, right, And I don't know, is it
Speaker 1: the world population that no longer trusts science or is
Speaker 1: it just is that is that unique to America? And
Speaker 1: I personally, you know, because I haven't traveled to Europe
Speaker 1: or outside of the United States in talking to people,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you that when I was in Panama
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this year, everybody was wearing a mask.
Speaker 1: And it is an outdoor, you know country, It is
Speaker 1: a it is a tropical hot country. Everybody wearing a
Speaker 1: mask and it was not like a problem. There were
Speaker 1: signs on all of the doors that said, don't enter
Speaker 1: into this place without a mask unless it was a
Speaker 1: fully open air uh situation. And so you know that
Speaker 1: that for me unlike is it is it just you
Speaker 1: know Americans who who because of Donald Trump, because of
Speaker 1: the Republicans, and you know, since since the Tea Party
Speaker 1: haven't believed in science, you climate changes and real we
Speaker 1: have our you know, doctor, our scientists that are attached
Speaker 1: to Exxon and BP oil that are telling us that
Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's plastic straws that's causing that's
Speaker 1: not oil, right like so um, so that's number one.
Speaker 1: And number two. You know, if monkey pox, unlike COVID,
Speaker 1: hasn't has been around, it just hasn't been in the
Speaker 1: United States or in Europe, but it has been in
Speaker 1: nations in Africa. And once again the question that I have, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: is how much do you believe that racism and discrimination,
Speaker 1: whether it be against black people and people of color
Speaker 1: as well as queer people, that has played into the
Speaker 1: lack of significant intel and instruction from the CDC and
Speaker 1: the who, because if I'm going to be angry at anybody,
Speaker 1: it's the fact that these pandemics, multiple viruses show us
Speaker 1: just how fucking racist and discriminatory medicine the entire medical
Speaker 1: community actually is, which people of color and gay people
Speaker 1: have known since AIDS. Well, where should I start? Wherever
Speaker 1: you'd like, I just want to go to Panama. First
Speaker 1: of all. That sounds a lot better. It's lovely, and
Speaker 1: I'll see a couple of things about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously many many provocative points in that question, and certainly
Speaker 1: we don't need monkeypox to teach us that lesson. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at look at the response to COVID right when
Speaker 1: things were spreading in Africa. You know, a great strategy
Speaker 1: would have been to help Africa developed vaccines or to
Speaker 1: think we're all connected in a global community, but also
Speaker 1: in our own country, we had, you know, government agencies
Speaker 1: who were actively suppressing data about COVID deaths among black populations.
Speaker 1: We knew that COVID was signing a sign of a
Speaker 1: structural problem, and we didn't fix the structural inequities on
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. So I don't think
Speaker 1: we need monkeypox to tell us that now I would
Speaker 1: say it's a little complicated with monkeypox in my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is just because they're
Speaker 1: probably fifty illnesses or a zillion illnesses circulating right now
Speaker 1: that we're never going to talk about because they're limited.
Speaker 1: They're things like that. I mean, certainly we need more
Speaker 1: global aid in a way, but I mean there's still
Speaker 1: tons of zeka out there. There's some new illness that's
Speaker 1: infected thirty eight people in China that came from some
Speaker 1: other weird ass animal and stuff like that, and so
Speaker 1: I would just say that, you know, it's really when
Speaker 1: it gets to this, when it gets to something that
Speaker 1: crosses from Africa to hear, that's when we have the
Speaker 1: conversation we certainly need much more global health. I certainly
Speaker 1: think that's true, But I would also say that, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it gif back to that question of kind
Speaker 1: of who to be mad at, who we mad at
Speaker 1: for monkeypox in particular. I mean, I do think that
Speaker 1: our system has also really had its hands full right now,
Speaker 1: and I do, want to be honest, feel like the
Speaker 1: Biden administration really has dropped the ball, even though it's
Speaker 1: I've obviously got a lot on its plate. But I
Speaker 1: do feel like the Biden administration has dropped the ball
Speaker 1: in terms of prevention planning. I mean, we should, just,
Speaker 1: to be frank, we should have much more vaccine right
Speaker 1: now than we do now. The other thing about monkeypox,
Speaker 1: since it's been around for a long time, is that
Speaker 1: the vaccine technologies we have are pretty effective. It's not
Speaker 1: like MR and A vaccines where we're starting from scratch,
Speaker 1: and so getting more people vaccinated is going to be
Speaker 1: really really key here. The problem is, as we talked
Speaker 1: about last week or two weeks ago, there's only one
Speaker 1: company that makes the vaccine right now, and so that
Speaker 1: that really has to change. But I don't know, I
Speaker 1: feel like this is a really complicated problem, and I
Speaker 1: feel like there was a lot of ball dropping. And
Speaker 1: I certainly think global racism is an issue. But I mean,
Speaker 1: if you would asked me a year ago whether the
Speaker 1: ten biggest or one hundred biggest infectious disease threats facing Africa,
Speaker 1: monkey box wouldn't have been on my top one hundred
Speaker 1: list in a way, And so it's either I get it.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, here's the thing, We're
Speaker 1: not learning any fucking thing right like this. This is
Speaker 1: what gets my anger to like a level that I
Speaker 1: want more people to be at that level of anger,
Speaker 1: which is that we've had two plus years in COVID
Speaker 1: and we've learned not a goddamn thing, and I'm tired
Speaker 1: of it. Either being the disruption of politics and the
Speaker 1: concern that if the Biden administration were to have raised
Speaker 1: a flag with regard to monkey pots, than their concern
Speaker 1: is that Republicans would have turned around and said, look
Speaker 1: at them being hysterical and wanting to trap you in
Speaker 1: your homes and blah blah blah. And so by virtue
Speaker 1: of once again deciding that we're going that their reaction
Speaker 1: to Republicans is more important than being responsible with the
Speaker 1: whole host of citizens that actually, there are seventy five
Speaker 1: percent of the population that will listen to fucking doctors
Speaker 1: and believe the Biden administration and what they are saying.
Speaker 1: There's twenty five percent of the population that doesn't care. Right,
Speaker 1: But you're being concerned and controlled by the twenty five
Speaker 1: percent that doesn't care because you're worried about how this
Speaker 1: is going to play in mid terms. And what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that like absent politics and absent the politics
Speaker 1: of racism and homophobia, we would be in a different place.
Speaker 1: Because I'm wondering how long it's going to take for
Speaker 1: the production act to go into play from this administration
Speaker 1: in order to develop more vax scene in the way
Speaker 1: that they did for COVID, but the Trump administration waited
Speaker 1: until four hundred thousand people were dead in order to
Speaker 1: do that, Well, first you need to go on vacation.
Speaker 1: More like, I love this, this, this is awesome. Let
Speaker 1: me just say two things about that. If I can
Speaker 1: streamline my own thoughts, which are because I mega for me,
Speaker 1: it's like this is this feels just like everything all
Speaker 1: over again, because it is now, I will say something.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I have no idea about the
Speaker 1: inner workings, but I can see how going just to
Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate very slightly, I can see how going
Speaker 1: to the mat on monkey pocks was maybe not a
Speaker 1: strategy they wanted to embrace, not because of mistrust of science,
Speaker 1: but because there are no vaccines and so scaring the
Speaker 1: crap out of people for something that'ure. So in other words,
Speaker 1: I would if in other words, I think it would
Speaker 1: just been much different if they had if they had
Speaker 1: one hundred million vaccines, then they could have said monkey
Speaker 1: pox is not just to sexually transmit disease. It's going
Speaker 1: to spread in daycare, it's going to spread in college.
Speaker 1: It's spreads in laundry, and also, here's our treatment. But
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess, And again I have no idea,
Speaker 1: But I could see somebody thinking, what do we get
Speaker 1: out of scaring people about this if we have no
Speaker 1: solution except for don't use laundry and don't go to
Speaker 1: the bathhouse and stuff like that. So I can just
Speaker 1: see I can see that being a hard It's not
Speaker 1: just about the midterms. It's like raising a problem that
Speaker 1: you don't have an immediate solution for at that moment,
Speaker 1: given that everybody's in the middle of still of COVID
Speaker 1: and they're really going to need to get people vaccinated
Speaker 1: in the ball with these new boosters and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So again I don't know if that's the case, when
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if that was, but I so
Speaker 1: I will push back on that. Just the theory not
Speaker 1: necessarily with you. But the theory here is that let
Speaker 1: me not provide people with the most thoughtful information that
Speaker 1: we have the clearest information that we have at this
Speaker 1: very moment, while we continue to tell people that you
Speaker 1: need to be intellectually nimble because the more information that
Speaker 1: we know, the more that we are going to share it.
Speaker 1: But here is what we know right now, right which
Speaker 1: is A, B and C. That this thing functions more
Speaker 1: like smallpox spreads in a way that it isn't just
Speaker 1: about sexually transmitted diseases or viruses. That if you are
Speaker 1: not cleaning surfaces and someone has open sours, if you
Speaker 1: are sharing up blankets and things that haven't gone through
Speaker 1: a considerable type of wash, if you were not quarantining
Speaker 1: like because I believe, at least initially that all of
Speaker 1: the strategies that we could use in order to keep
Speaker 1: ourselves safe were what we learned initially with COVID. Wash
Speaker 1: your hands, cover your mouth, clean surfaces, you know, and
Speaker 1: all of these things. So if we had just said
Speaker 1: from the jump, here is something new that is scary,
Speaker 1: so all of the things that we had instituted with COVID,
Speaker 1: cleaning surfaces, washing things, things separately. But again, then what
Speaker 1: you're doing is just layering, layering the care that is
Speaker 1: needed on top of the information that has had that
Speaker 1: you have at this time. I don't believe that the
Speaker 1: CDC or the wahhow did that? Now? I there, I
Speaker 1: completely agree with you for sure. I completely agree with you.
Speaker 1: There's just an information vacuum right now. And the CDC
Speaker 1: in fact, feels like to me, it's going backwards, like
Speaker 1: all this new stuff about oh, you don't have to
Speaker 1: quarantine are bad, like doing that now before the crap
Speaker 1: we're about to go through in the fall. So I
Speaker 1: completely agree with you there that it seems like there's
Speaker 1: an information vacuum. And I don't, for the life of
Speaker 1: me understand why they don't just do a weekly press
Speaker 1: conference with the experts or something like that from the
Speaker 1: White House. I mean, it makes no sense. And so
Speaker 1: in that resent, I mean, in that regard, I completely
Speaker 1: agree with you, Like, let's find three or four trusted
Speaker 1: voices in sign, let's make this a weekly event. Let's
Speaker 1: have it be like the news that people want to
Speaker 1: turn into. I mean, hell, Trump did that while he
Speaker 1: was hawking you know, life drink, Lysol and stuff like
Speaker 1: that and so um our, Clorox or whatever, and so
Speaker 1: I think the Biden administration really hasn't done that. And
Speaker 1: to me, I completely agree with you. I said in
Speaker 1: the beginning, I'm frustrated with the Bid administration, and I
Speaker 1: do think that the knowledge vacuum is huge. And the
Speaker 1: reason that it's huge is because not only are they
Speaker 1: not the megaphone for this, which they should be, but
Speaker 1: then they create an opening. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: watched it this morning, but Governor de Santist from Florida
Speaker 1: had a press conference because this maybe happened when you're gone,
Speaker 1: but they're going to have soldiers teach kids in Florida
Speaker 1: that have no teacher training, no degree, no anything like that.
Speaker 1: So they're third graders in Florida are going to be
Speaker 1: learning like how do you field strip or rabbit? And like,
Speaker 1: you know, how do you patch a a wound and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, not like math or science or literature
Speaker 1: or things like that. So he had a press conference
Speaker 1: this morning and the entire thing was a diatribe against
Speaker 1: masks and vaccines and science and you know, the woke
Speaker 1: agenda and all this kind of stuff, which we should market,
Speaker 1: you know, we should we should get on that. So anyway,
Speaker 1: my point is we've created a knowledge vacuum, right that
Speaker 1: there needs to be a megaphone for science. Right now,
Speaker 1: that's not just regular Biden press conferences, but actually is
Speaker 1: let's the public ask the scientists the questions. Let's you know,
Speaker 1: have school kids one week ask their questions, stuff like that. Like,
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, we should have been
Speaker 1: promoting science beyond just um, you know, you know, the
Speaker 1: Biden press conferences are totally fine. They're you know, people,
Speaker 1: we know, former people we know from media running those
Speaker 1: press conferences. They're very well done. But I would but
Speaker 1: I would say that there needs to be a public
Speaker 1: forum for science that the Biden administration, of my opinions,
Speaker 1: should have created. And without that, you're just leaving the
Speaker 1: door open for this crazy crap like what happened in Florida,
Speaker 1: which is somebody can get up there and link having
Speaker 1: untrained soldiers teach third grade to the woke agenda that's
Speaker 1: trying to get people to work. I mean, look, look,
Speaker 1: this is this is going to be a push for parents.
Speaker 1: You want your kids to be fucking idiots, then by
Speaker 1: all means, you know, like keep voting for people like
Speaker 1: Ronda Santists. You believe that education is nothing other than
Speaker 1: having a body in front of your kid and playing
Speaker 1: babysitter in the third fucking grade. You don't want them
Speaker 1: to be competitive? Like there where is the pushback? That's
Speaker 1: the pushback, right, Like, because this isn't going to happen
Speaker 1: to people in New York. It's not going to happen
Speaker 1: to people in California. And so when you start to converge,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is make the case to me,
Speaker 1: Right now, what do what do Republicans want a permanent underclass?
Speaker 1: And who are they hoping that permanent underclass is going
Speaker 1: to be in order to continue along with their capitalistic,
Speaker 1: fascist agenda, People of color? But what is going to
Speaker 1: happen actually is that it's going to be poor white
Speaker 1: people who are going to also be a part of
Speaker 1: the underclass. Right because ninety percent of people in this
Speaker 1: country attend public education, attend public schools, right, So I
Speaker 1: don't understand. You're right, there needed to be a regular
Speaker 1: science form, and there should be one, and there should
Speaker 1: be a regular press conference because all the things that
Speaker 1: we can say about Cuomo and what he did in
Speaker 1: New York, I sat down in front of that press
Speaker 1: conference every single day, every single day that he gave
Speaker 1: a press conference for COVID I sat down in front
Speaker 1: of the television because we did not have a president
Speaker 1: of the United States that gave a fuck, right, So
Speaker 1: the world was watching his press conferences every day on
Speaker 1: COVID and what we were doing and where we were,
Speaker 1: and it was a calming force. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: you can be creative about it. You know, you can
Speaker 1: bring in kids from PS ninety nine one day, you
Speaker 1: can bring in different experts, you can do different topics.
Speaker 1: I mean, just make it. Make it a go to
Speaker 1: thing that is seemingly a source of kind of unbiased information,
Speaker 1: even though everything is political. But again, it's just that
Speaker 1: in that vacuum, it's just it's just created such an
Speaker 1: open space for um for everything else. So I just
Speaker 1: think that that's I think that that's UM. I think
Speaker 1: that that's a really major, major, major issue. Where do
Speaker 1: you let me say, let me just say I think
Speaker 1: that I think that monkeypox is an illustration of that. Right,
Speaker 1: And again, part of the point is the knowledge is evolving,
Speaker 1: So just say, hey, look, here's what we know this week.
Speaker 1: Come back next week. We'll tell you what we learned
Speaker 1: next week. You know what I mean. It's not like
Speaker 1: you have to have the answer to every single thing. Um,
Speaker 1: But I don't think this has been done well. And
Speaker 1: again I agree with you about knowledge for sure, for sure,
Speaker 1: but they also should have had more vaccines. They should
Speaker 1: have seen this coming. Yeah. So my last question for
Speaker 1: you though, because I will tell you that the feedback
Speaker 1: that I get, Jonathan from our weekly talks is the
Speaker 1: fact that the woka F audience is so grateful because
Speaker 1: all of the things that you have warned us about,
Speaker 1: all of the things that you have recommended, have actually happened,
Speaker 1: and people have take your recommendations and they take them
Speaker 1: seriously because they're not getting it anywhere else. So, you know,
Speaker 1: barring the fact that we don't know everything about what
Speaker 1: is happening with monkeypox, tell folks what you recommend in
Speaker 1: terms of how they are now keeping themselves safe with
Speaker 1: the knowledge that we have at this moment. Well, Number
Speaker 1: one is to get a vaccine appointment. I can pretty
Speaker 1: much guarantee you that they're going to open this up
Speaker 1: beyond just high risk gaymend pretty soon. Here. I don't
Speaker 1: have any inside information. I'm just saying the way this
Speaker 1: thing is spreading, just vaccinating gaym end is not going
Speaker 1: to work. And so that if you're in New York
Speaker 1: or other places, there are vaccine appointments that are opening up,
Speaker 1: and I would, I mean, I would recommend try to
Speaker 1: get a vaccine appointment for sure. I also think that,
Speaker 1: as we're saying here, monkeypox is not like COVID. It's
Speaker 1: not floating in the air for the most part, for
Speaker 1: the most part, and so you can be much safer
Speaker 1: by becoming much more religious like we were in the
Speaker 1: beginning of COVID, with surfaces, and so I think surface
Speaker 1: protection is important. I mean, you know me, I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a fatalist, right, but I bought a bunch of
Speaker 1: rubber cloves. Again, even though it already donated all my
Speaker 1: rubber gloves, I couldn't help myself. So stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's just basic kind of protections. But again, people should
Speaker 1: know that this is not for them. I mean, if
Speaker 1: somebody has active monkeypox and and it's in there, you know,
Speaker 1: inside of them, and then they sneeze, it could go airborne.
Speaker 1: But it's not an airborne virus, and so you can
Speaker 1: protect yourself with cleanliness and protection for the most part.
Speaker 1: But it's again it's going to take a level of attention.
Speaker 1: So I would say The other really important point is
Speaker 1: to hang in there because hopefully we're not going to
Speaker 1: have this problem next by the winter or next spring,
Speaker 1: so there will certainly be an f vaccines going forward.
Speaker 1: It's just that right now we got caught with our
Speaker 1: proverbial pants proverbially down, and so really it's hanging in
Speaker 1: there right now is important too, Doctor Jonathan Matzel. As always,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you your advice, your recommendations, and your lifeheartedness
Speaker 1: through these increasingly dark times that we continue to be
Speaker 1: maneuvering through. Never a dull moment. Do I do want
Speaker 1: to talk about I mean, I was born on a
Speaker 1: military base. My dad was in the Air Force. This
Speaker 1: is no knock on military people or families or anything,
Speaker 1: but they're opening up teaching to soldiers and their spouses
Speaker 1: without any training or degree or anything like that. So
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about, like what I agree
Speaker 1: with your point. I think it's really important. I want
Speaker 1: to highlight a Stephen Thrasher has this great book, Viral
Speaker 1: Underclass that just came out that talks about how we
Speaker 1: need like an educated poor people to do the labor
Speaker 1: that's not being done by education, by immigration, and I
Speaker 1: think this is a perfect example of it. I totally agree.
Speaker 1: Who's the who's the author Viral Underclass, Yes, Stephen Thrasher.
Speaker 1: And there's an excellent forward. So the author of Dying
Speaker 1: of Whiteness wrote a forward to that book, which is
Speaker 1: love it. Thank you, Jonathan. We appreciate you. Okay, take it.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Folks on woke a
Speaker 1: f as always. Power to the people and to all
Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.