WEBVTT - We're Not Following the Science 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.480 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:19.239 me your girl, Danielle Moody. Back in the home bunker, folks, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.480 I'm getting ready to have a conversation with our friend 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.599 or in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Mesil about the latest 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.800 news around monkey pocks. And one of the things that 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.400 I will say, and I say this to you all 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.800 all the time, but it's it's really for you to 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.879 tell the people who are in your network, who are 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.080 your friends and your family, we are at a point 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:46.120 in time where we need to be intellectually nimble. What 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:50.640 does that mean. It means that when you receive information 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.520 in does not mean that that is the only new 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.840 information that is going to be coming your way. That 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:02.000 as we learn more right, that information is then shared 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.319 with you and your understanding then grows. What I think 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:11.280 is happening right now is that we have always understood 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.240 science to be very black and white. Right, either the 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.479 sky is blue or it is not, water is wet 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.800 or it is not right. And where we are in 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:26.000 this world of viruses is that scientists and doctors are 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.440 studying and learning, and as they are learning, they are sharing. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.840 Are they sharing in the best fucking ways? Possible. Absolutely not. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.720 Are they making things a hell of a lot more 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.760 confusing then they need to be sure. Is racism and 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.880 homophobia and transphobia guiding some of the ways that they 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:49.000 are delving into this monkeypox situation one hundred percent, But 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.840 that does not mean that then we shut off our 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.920 receptors and stop taking in new knowledge because we don't 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.120 like the way that it's coming out. And that's what 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.920 I see happening. And Jonathan and I will get into 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.760 a deeper conversation with regard to what it is that 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.519 we need to do in order to continue to keep 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.600 ourselves and the people around us safe, because that's what 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.320 this all gets back to. Right. I did not go 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.440 to school to become a scientist. I do not have 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:23.400 degrees right in virology. I do not understand how these 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.080 different things are happening but seem to be happening all 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.720 at the same fucking time. But what I do know 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.000 is that any bit of information that I am given 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.880 that is different from the one before doesn't make me 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.160 assume that the initial information that I received was false. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.760 It just means that now we have more information, right, 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.880 And that's what I mean by being intellectually nimble. It's 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.080 allowing ourselves to take in and then once that information change, 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.000 it does not mean that what we were given was false. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.360 It means that it was true at that fucking time. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.840 And I think that with viruses. If there's anything that 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.000 we have learned over the past two and a half 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.480 fucking years living with COVID, is that we should probably 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.760 at this stage in our life expect the unexpected right 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.960 to keep ourselves safe from monkeypocks. Jonathan will tell us 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.240 to do the similar things that we should have been 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.880 doing before COVID, but apparently not all of us do, 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:20.040 which is wash our hands, which is clean services, which is, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.000 you know, be really keen on the people that you're 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.280 bringing into your homes, into your offices, into your spaces 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.480 are healthy, right that if they have lesions or they 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.040 are not feeling well, that this is not the time 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.560 to kind of fucking work through shit. Right. This is 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.040 and I think that this is part of the problem, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.600 is the way that we've been socialized into believing that 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.080 we are all machines. Right, goes back to what I 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.280 said yesterday, and that we should just be powering through 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.880 that when you're sick, No, you of course you don't 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.680 stay home and get well. No, I must go into 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.840 the office and spread my sickness all around so that 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.960 people know exactly how fucking hard working and serious I am. Well. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:02.800 What I would love is that if people would be 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.680 just as serious about making money for other people, for 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.320 corporations and for other entities as they would about their 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.720 own goddamn health. And maybe if we've been socialized into 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.280 believing that when we are unwell, that I don't need 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.800 to prove my wellness to you. I actually need to 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.880 be at home getting well, then maybe we wouldn't be 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.520 concerned with people spreading germs and viruses because they would 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.640 have learned a long time ago that you should be 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.440 taking care of yourself before you're taking care of all 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.400 of these multiple tasks that are on your desk right now. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.560 That maybe that we are human beings and we should 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:40.440 be actually living instead of just surviving. And I think 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.240 that that leads back into the conversation that I had 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:48.279 yesterday about what does it mean to be thriving instead 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.680 of just surviving? And I believe that this all connects 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:55.200 back to our understanding of how we are dealing with 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.680 all of these you know, hundred year fucking viruses that 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.719 seem to be becoming the norm. Also weird note, But 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.880 I want to bring this up before I bring on Jonathan, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.840 which is this. The other day I was looking at 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:12.360 National Geographics Instagram, which I follow because I love, you know, 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.120 the Earth and animals and planets and this, that and 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.960 the other thing. National Geographic had put up a picture 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:27.800 of a mummy that has been defrosted. And by defrosted 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:32.960 we mean this mummified animal that is not present in 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:39.039 our earth as we know it now melted because the 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:44.960 glacier melted. And now scientists get to discover and research 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:50.920 this spectacular and I am using air quotes discovery. What 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.400 the fuck do you think is going to happen when 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.159 these creatures that no longer walk the planet are quote 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.800 unquote defrosted because of climate change and global warning. I'm 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.479 pretty sure that the viruses and the ship that was 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.680 inside of them is also going to be defrosted, right, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.480 and that we are living inside of this potential of 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:17.279 Jurassic Park that, as all the movies show, doesn't end 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.920 well for us, right, So the fact that we have 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:28.520 mummified creatures defrosting because of climate change should send alarm 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:33.680 Bells not the word spectacular, which is what National Geographic 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:38.320 used in describing this new phenomenon of what we can discover, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.800 because I'm pretty sure, like me, y'all don't want to 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.800 discover any more new shit at this point unless it 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.040 is a way onto a different planet that hasn't been 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.680 fucked up by human beings let yet, and we can 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:54.919 survive on just saying. 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Get the Bituation Room 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:28.480 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, and streaming on YouTube and Twitch. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:37.000 All right, so I am back from a little respite 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:41.560 and vacation, Jonathan, and so excited to be back with 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:46.160 you on woke f and I gotta start off with 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.080 the news that I saw last night before I went 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.880 to bed, which probably was the reason I needed to 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.959 take magnesium in order to fall asleep, which is that 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:01.200 we've had our first transmission of monkey pox from humans 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:08.160 to an animal, a dog in France. Two men who 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:14.120 lived together contracted monkeypox in France, and you know they 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:20.400 were quarantining, but we're with their dog and the dog, 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.840 twelve days after they had tested positive for monkey pox, 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:34.360 started exhibiting these same lesions and lethargic behavior. Jonathan, take 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.440 it away and tell me that I'm not supposed to 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.640 freak out about this, and this is totally fine, because 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.720 when you said that monkeypox could find another host outside 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.640 of a monkey, and I wasn't thinking dog, so I 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:52.640 was thinking maybe squirrel. Also, you know around the United 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:57.360 States a lot, but not necessarily as prevalent in people's 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:03.000 homes as say a dog. So talk to me. Yeah, 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.000 I mean, really, this is a big deal. I think, 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.319 you know, to be honest, I think that the concern 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:13.480 always was something like monkeypox has been that the minute 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:18.000 it finds animal reservoirs, um, it's just going to be unstoppable. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.120 And I think a lot of concern for people like 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.280 us who live in New York is that monkeypox will 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.960 end up being you know, in rats and sewers. But 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.640 I think the main idea is if it's circulating in 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.439 animal populations, you can't stop it. It's not like you're 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:36.920 going to vaccinate you know, all the animals obviously, and 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.880 so it's a huge deal. We knew, we knew it 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.040 was coming probably. I would bet if it's a dog 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.640 on Twitter, there are many other animals who have it. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.720 We just haven't heard about it because the people aren't 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:56.320 the animals aren't tweeting about it. Um so so so 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.320 I think this is a huge deal. I mean, all 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:02.079 roads point back to we need to get people vaccinated. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.760 We need to get many, many many more people vaccinated, 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.760 because if something like this is going to become endemic 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.560 and also mutating and living in nature, then the only 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.839 thing we can do as humans is is to vaccinate people. 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:20.440 And I've been honestly fighting real frustration. I don't even 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.720 know who am I supposed to get angry at. I mean, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.440 but we have really blown this right. We had. This 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:31.040 is the calm before the storm period of the monkeypox era. 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.800 And again, if people are going to if it's just 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.360 circulating in animals and then back and forth between humans 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.680 and animals, it's going to be a big deal. Now, 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.840 there are plenty of other illnesses throughout history that have 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.120 acted in this same way. And what we do as 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:50.240 humans is we unlike animals, we have scientists who can 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.400 then make vaccines who can then protect us. So then 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.800 it's not that big of a deal. And the fact 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:59.560 that there's been such an unconstable delay lag with this 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:03.200 monkey pox. I don't know, You tell me who do 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:04.680 I get mad at? Right? I mean, I think that 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:09.120 the Biden administration obviously has a lot on its hands. Yeah, 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.960 the world population is not trusting science and vaccines right now? 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:14.880 Right man? I feel like this is going to be 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.240 a big deal, and a really big deal, you know, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.600 in a couple of months, even more so, so I 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.679 really want to unpack this because I think that you're 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.679 asking the right question, like who are we supposed to 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.719 be mad at? And frankly, like we're just mad at everybody, right, Like, 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.040 you know, we've been living in you know, the last 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.920 you know, two years plus, just living in what seems 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.960 like pure mayhem, right, And I don't know, is it 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.360 the world population that no longer trusts science or is 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.880 it just is that is that unique to America? And 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:45.480 I personally, you know, because I haven't traveled to Europe 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.320 or outside of the United States in talking to people, 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.479 but I'll tell you that when I was in Panama 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.439 at the beginning of this year, everybody was wearing a mask. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.480 And it is an outdoor, you know country, It is 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.440 a it is a tropical hot country. Everybody wearing a 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.439 mask and it was not like a problem. There were 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.439 signs on all of the doors that said, don't enter 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.760 into this place without a mask unless it was a 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:11.040 fully open air uh situation. And so you know that 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.160 that for me unlike is it is it just you 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.120 know Americans who who because of Donald Trump, because of 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.480 the Republicans, and you know, since since the Tea Party 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.840 haven't believed in science, you climate changes and real we 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.920 have our you know, doctor, our scientists that are attached 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.840 to Exxon and BP oil that are telling us that 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.280 it's not you know, it's plastic straws that's causing that's 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.760 not oil, right like so um, so that's number one. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:42.280 And number two. You know, if monkey pox, unlike COVID, 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:48.240 hasn't has been around, it just hasn't been in the 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.640 United States or in Europe, but it has been in 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.720 nations in Africa. And once again the question that I have, Jonathan, 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.960 is how much do you believe that racism and discrimination, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.560 whether it be against black people and people of color 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:07.520 as well as queer people, that has played into the 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:12.480 lack of significant intel and instruction from the CDC and 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.280 the who, because if I'm going to be angry at anybody, 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:20.400 it's the fact that these pandemics, multiple viruses show us 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:26.680 just how fucking racist and discriminatory medicine the entire medical 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.600 community actually is, which people of color and gay people 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:37.560 have known since AIDS. Well, where should I start? Wherever 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.520 you'd like, I just want to go to Panama. First 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.720 of all. That sounds a lot better. It's lovely, and 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.440 I'll see a couple of things about that. I mean, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.280 obviously many many provocative points in that question, and certainly 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.560 we don't need monkeypox to teach us that lesson. I mean, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.720 look at look at the response to COVID right when 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:58.120 things were spreading in Africa. You know, a great strategy 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:02.280 would have been to help Africa developed vaccines or to 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.800 think we're all connected in a global community, but also 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.040 in our own country, we had, you know, government agencies 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:14.160 who were actively suppressing data about COVID deaths among black populations. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.720 We knew that COVID was signing a sign of a 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.960 structural problem, and we didn't fix the structural inequities on 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.000 and on and on and on. So I don't think 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.960 we need monkeypox to tell us that now I would 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.120 say it's a little complicated with monkeypox in my personal opinion. 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.000 And the reason I say that is just because they're 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:39.320 probably fifty illnesses or a zillion illnesses circulating right now 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:44.000 that we're never going to talk about because they're limited. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.080 They're things like that. I mean, certainly we need more 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.400 global aid in a way, but I mean there's still 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.080 tons of zeka out there. There's some new illness that's 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.200 infected thirty eight people in China that came from some 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.400 other weird ass animal and stuff like that, and so 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.960 I would just say that, you know, it's really when 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.520 it gets to this, when it gets to something that 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.360 crosses from Africa to hear, that's when we have the 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:11.280 conversation we certainly need much more global health. I certainly 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:15.080 think that's true, But I would also say that, you know, 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.800 I mean it gif back to that question of kind 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.640 of who to be mad at, who we mad at 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.320 for monkeypox in particular. I mean, I do think that 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.200 our system has also really had its hands full right now, 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.200 and I do, want to be honest, feel like the 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.080 Biden administration really has dropped the ball, even though it's 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:34.960 I've obviously got a lot on its plate. But I 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.120 do feel like the Biden administration has dropped the ball 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.200 in terms of prevention planning. I mean, we should, just, 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.560 to be frank, we should have much more vaccine right 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.200 now than we do now. The other thing about monkeypox, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.240 since it's been around for a long time, is that 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.240 the vaccine technologies we have are pretty effective. It's not 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.680 like MR and A vaccines where we're starting from scratch, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.520 and so getting more people vaccinated is going to be 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.320 really really key here. The problem is, as we talked 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.919 about last week or two weeks ago, there's only one 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.000 company that makes the vaccine right now, and so that 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.159 that really has to change. But I don't know, I 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.119 feel like this is a really complicated problem, and I 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.320 feel like there was a lot of ball dropping. And 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.280 I certainly think global racism is an issue. But I mean, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.879 if you would asked me a year ago whether the 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:26.360 ten biggest or one hundred biggest infectious disease threats facing Africa, 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.959 monkey box wouldn't have been on my top one hundred 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.199 list in a way, And so it's either I get it. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.400 I just feel like, you know, here's the thing, We're 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.080 not learning any fucking thing right like this. This is 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.840 what gets my anger to like a level that I 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.600 want more people to be at that level of anger, 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.240 which is that we've had two plus years in COVID 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.920 and we've learned not a goddamn thing, and I'm tired 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.320 of it. Either being the disruption of politics and the 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.600 concern that if the Biden administration were to have raised 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.800 a flag with regard to monkey pots, than their concern 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.640 is that Republicans would have turned around and said, look 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.119 at them being hysterical and wanting to trap you in 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.840 your homes and blah blah blah. And so by virtue 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.760 of once again deciding that we're going that their reaction 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:21.600 to Republicans is more important than being responsible with the 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.800 whole host of citizens that actually, there are seventy five 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.960 percent of the population that will listen to fucking doctors 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.679 and believe the Biden administration and what they are saying. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.760 There's twenty five percent of the population that doesn't care. Right, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.640 But you're being concerned and controlled by the twenty five 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.480 percent that doesn't care because you're worried about how this 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.560 is going to play in mid terms. And what I'm 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.560 saying is that like absent politics and absent the politics 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.720 of racism and homophobia, we would be in a different place. 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.080 Because I'm wondering how long it's going to take for 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.720 the production act to go into play from this administration 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.760 in order to develop more vax scene in the way 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.720 that they did for COVID, but the Trump administration waited 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.639 until four hundred thousand people were dead in order to 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.760 do that, Well, first you need to go on vacation. 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.640 More like, I love this, this, this is awesome. Let 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.440 me just say two things about that. If I can 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.399 streamline my own thoughts, which are because I mega for me, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.480 it's like this is this feels just like everything all 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.240 over again, because it is now, I will say something. 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.000 I don't know anything. I have no idea about the 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.320 inner workings, but I can see how going just to 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.400 play Devil's advocate very slightly, I can see how going 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.199 to the mat on monkey pocks was maybe not a 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.280 strategy they wanted to embrace, not because of mistrust of science, 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.399 but because there are no vaccines and so scaring the 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:49.840 crap out of people for something that'ure. So in other words, 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:51.520 I would if in other words, I think it would 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.800 just been much different if they had if they had 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.600 one hundred million vaccines, then they could have said monkey 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:02.320 pox is not just to sexually transmit disease. It's going 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.479 to spread in daycare, it's going to spread in college. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.199 It's spreads in laundry, and also, here's our treatment. But 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.440 I guess, I guess, And again I have no idea, 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:14.080 But I could see somebody thinking, what do we get 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.320 out of scaring people about this if we have no 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.439 solution except for don't use laundry and don't go to 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.919 the bathhouse and stuff like that. So I can just 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.639 see I can see that being a hard It's not 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.159 just about the midterms. It's like raising a problem that 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.560 you don't have an immediate solution for at that moment, 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.359 given that everybody's in the middle of still of COVID 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:35.359 and they're really going to need to get people vaccinated 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.840 in the ball with these new boosters and stuff like that. 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.239 So again I don't know if that's the case, when 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.600 I wouldn't be surprised if that was, but I so 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:46.200 I will push back on that. Just the theory not 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.360 necessarily with you. But the theory here is that let 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:53.720 me not provide people with the most thoughtful information that 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.840 we have the clearest information that we have at this 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.560 very moment, while we continue to tell people that you 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.600 need to be intellectually nimble because the more information that 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.800 we know, the more that we are going to share it. 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.359 But here is what we know right now, right which 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.640 is A, B and C. That this thing functions more 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:15.359 like smallpox spreads in a way that it isn't just 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:20.560 about sexually transmitted diseases or viruses. That if you are 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.000 not cleaning surfaces and someone has open sours, if you 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.920 are sharing up blankets and things that haven't gone through 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.240 a considerable type of wash, if you were not quarantining 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:36.080 like because I believe, at least initially that all of 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.200 the strategies that we could use in order to keep 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.840 ourselves safe were what we learned initially with COVID. Wash 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:47.480 your hands, cover your mouth, clean surfaces, you know, and 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.960 all of these things. So if we had just said 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.520 from the jump, here is something new that is scary, 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.280 so all of the things that we had instituted with COVID, 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:03.960 cleaning surfaces, washing things, things separately. But again, then what 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:09.440 you're doing is just layering, layering the care that is 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.000 needed on top of the information that has had that 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:14.800 you have at this time. I don't believe that the 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:19.480 CDC or the wahhow did that? Now? I there, I 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.719 completely agree with you for sure. I completely agree with you. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.320 There's just an information vacuum right now. And the CDC 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:29.480 in fact, feels like to me, it's going backwards, like 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.639 all this new stuff about oh, you don't have to 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:35.639 quarantine are bad, like doing that now before the crap 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.680 we're about to go through in the fall. So I 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.560 completely agree with you there that it seems like there's 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.479 an information vacuum. And I don't, for the life of 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.320 me understand why they don't just do a weekly press 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.960 conference with the experts or something like that from the 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:52.240 White House. I mean, it makes no sense. And so 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.800 in that resent, I mean, in that regard, I completely 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:59.120 agree with you, Like, let's find three or four trusted 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.840 voices in sign, let's make this a weekly event. Let's 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:04.879 have it be like the news that people want to 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.760 turn into. I mean, hell, Trump did that while he 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.600 was hawking you know, life drink, Lysol and stuff like 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.800 that and so um our, Clorox or whatever, and so 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.960 I think the Biden administration really hasn't done that. And 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.520 to me, I completely agree with you. I said in 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.239 the beginning, I'm frustrated with the Bid administration, and I 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:27.800 do think that the knowledge vacuum is huge. And the 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:30.280 reason that it's huge is because not only are they 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.399 not the megaphone for this, which they should be, but 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:35.879 then they create an opening. I don't know if you 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:40.520 watched it this morning, but Governor de Santist from Florida 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:44.160