1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: me your girl, Danielle Moody. Back in the home bunker, folks, 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to have a conversation with our friend 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: or in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Mesil about the latest 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: news around monkey pocks. And one of the things that 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: I will say, and I say this to you all 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: all the time, but it's it's really for you to 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: tell the people who are in your network, who are 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: your friends and your family, we are at a point 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: in time where we need to be intellectually nimble. What 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: does that mean. It means that when you receive information 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: in does not mean that that is the only new 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: information that is going to be coming your way. That 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: as we learn more right, that information is then shared 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: with you and your understanding then grows. What I think 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: is happening right now is that we have always understood 17 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: science to be very black and white. Right, either the 18 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: sky is blue or it is not, water is wet 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: or it is not right. And where we are in 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: this world of viruses is that scientists and doctors are 21 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: studying and learning, and as they are learning, they are sharing. 22 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: Are they sharing in the best fucking ways? Possible. Absolutely not. 23 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: Are they making things a hell of a lot more 24 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: confusing then they need to be sure. Is racism and 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: homophobia and transphobia guiding some of the ways that they 26 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: are delving into this monkeypox situation one hundred percent, But 27 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: that does not mean that then we shut off our 28 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: receptors and stop taking in new knowledge because we don't 29 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: like the way that it's coming out. And that's what 30 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: I see happening. And Jonathan and I will get into 31 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: a deeper conversation with regard to what it is that 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: we need to do in order to continue to keep 33 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: ourselves and the people around us safe, because that's what 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: this all gets back to. Right. I did not go 35 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: to school to become a scientist. I do not have 36 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: degrees right in virology. I do not understand how these 37 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: different things are happening but seem to be happening all 38 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: at the same fucking time. But what I do know 39 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: is that any bit of information that I am given 40 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: that is different from the one before doesn't make me 41 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: assume that the initial information that I received was false. 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: It just means that now we have more information, right, 43 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: And that's what I mean by being intellectually nimble. It's 44 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: allowing ourselves to take in and then once that information change, 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: it does not mean that what we were given was false. 46 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: It means that it was true at that fucking time. 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: And I think that with viruses. If there's anything that 48 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: we have learned over the past two and a half 49 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: fucking years living with COVID, is that we should probably 50 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: at this stage in our life expect the unexpected right 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: to keep ourselves safe from monkeypocks. Jonathan will tell us 52 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: to do the similar things that we should have been 53 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: doing before COVID, but apparently not all of us do, 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: which is wash our hands, which is clean services, which is, 55 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, be really keen on the people that you're 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: bringing into your homes, into your offices, into your spaces 57 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: are healthy, right that if they have lesions or they 58 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: are not feeling well, that this is not the time 59 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: to kind of fucking work through shit. Right. This is 60 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: and I think that this is part of the problem, 61 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: is the way that we've been socialized into believing that 62 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: we are all machines. Right, goes back to what I 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: said yesterday, and that we should just be powering through 64 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: that when you're sick, No, you of course you don't 65 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: stay home and get well. No, I must go into 66 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: the office and spread my sickness all around so that 67 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: people know exactly how fucking hard working and serious I am. Well. 68 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: What I would love is that if people would be 69 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: just as serious about making money for other people, for 70 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: corporations and for other entities as they would about their 71 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: own goddamn health. And maybe if we've been socialized into 72 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: believing that when we are unwell, that I don't need 73 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: to prove my wellness to you. I actually need to 74 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: be at home getting well, then maybe we wouldn't be 75 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: concerned with people spreading germs and viruses because they would 76 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: have learned a long time ago that you should be 77 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: taking care of yourself before you're taking care of all 78 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: of these multiple tasks that are on your desk right now. 79 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: That maybe that we are human beings and we should 80 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: be actually living instead of just surviving. And I think 81 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: that that leads back into the conversation that I had 82 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: yesterday about what does it mean to be thriving instead 83 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: of just surviving? And I believe that this all connects 84 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: back to our understanding of how we are dealing with 85 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: all of these you know, hundred year fucking viruses that 86 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: seem to be becoming the norm. Also weird note, But 87 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: I want to bring this up before I bring on Jonathan, 88 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: which is this. The other day I was looking at 89 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: National Geographics Instagram, which I follow because I love, you know, 90 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: the Earth and animals and planets and this, that and 91 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: the other thing. National Geographic had put up a picture 92 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: of a mummy that has been defrosted. And by defrosted 93 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: we mean this mummified animal that is not present in 94 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: our earth as we know it now melted because the 95 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: glacier melted. And now scientists get to discover and research 96 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: this spectacular and I am using air quotes discovery. What 97 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: the fuck do you think is going to happen when 98 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: these creatures that no longer walk the planet are quote 99 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: unquote defrosted because of climate change and global warning. I'm 100 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: pretty sure that the viruses and the ship that was 101 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: inside of them is also going to be defrosted, right, 102 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: and that we are living inside of this potential of 103 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: Jurassic Park that, as all the movies show, doesn't end 104 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: well for us, right, So the fact that we have 105 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: mummified creatures defrosting because of climate change should send alarm 106 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: Bells not the word spectacular, which is what National Geographic 107 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: used in describing this new phenomenon of what we can discover, 108 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure, like me, y'all don't want to 109 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: discover any more new shit at this point unless it 110 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: is a way onto a different planet that hasn't been 111 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: fucked up by human beings let yet, and we can 112 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: survive on just saying. 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Get the Bituation Room 134 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, and streaming on YouTube and Twitch. 135 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: All right, so I am back from a little respite 136 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: and vacation, Jonathan, and so excited to be back with 137 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: you on woke f and I gotta start off with 138 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: the news that I saw last night before I went 139 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: to bed, which probably was the reason I needed to 140 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: take magnesium in order to fall asleep, which is that 141 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: we've had our first transmission of monkey pox from humans 142 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: to an animal, a dog in France. Two men who 143 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: lived together contracted monkeypox in France, and you know they 144 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: were quarantining, but we're with their dog and the dog, 145 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: twelve days after they had tested positive for monkey pox, 146 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: started exhibiting these same lesions and lethargic behavior. Jonathan, take 147 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: it away and tell me that I'm not supposed to 148 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: freak out about this, and this is totally fine, because 149 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: when you said that monkeypox could find another host outside 150 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: of a monkey, and I wasn't thinking dog, so I 151 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: was thinking maybe squirrel. Also, you know around the United 152 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: States a lot, but not necessarily as prevalent in people's 153 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: homes as say a dog. So talk to me. Yeah, 154 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean, really, this is a big deal. I think, 155 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, I think that the concern 156 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: always was something like monkeypox has been that the minute 157 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: it finds animal reservoirs, um, it's just going to be unstoppable. 158 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of concern for people like 159 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: us who live in New York is that monkeypox will 160 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: end up being you know, in rats and sewers. But 161 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: I think the main idea is if it's circulating in 162 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: animal populations, you can't stop it. It's not like you're 163 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: going to vaccinate you know, all the animals obviously, and 164 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: so it's a huge deal. We knew, we knew it 165 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: was coming probably. I would bet if it's a dog 166 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: on Twitter, there are many other animals who have it. 167 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: We just haven't heard about it because the people aren't 168 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: the animals aren't tweeting about it. Um so so so 169 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: I think this is a huge deal. I mean, all 170 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: roads point back to we need to get people vaccinated. 171 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: We need to get many, many many more people vaccinated, 172 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: because if something like this is going to become endemic 173 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: and also mutating and living in nature, then the only 174 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: thing we can do as humans is is to vaccinate people. 175 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: And I've been honestly fighting real frustration. I don't even 176 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: know who am I supposed to get angry at. I mean, 177 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: but we have really blown this right. We had. This 178 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: is the calm before the storm period of the monkeypox era. 179 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: And again, if people are going to if it's just 180 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: circulating in animals and then back and forth between humans 181 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: and animals, it's going to be a big deal. Now, 182 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: there are plenty of other illnesses throughout history that have 183 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: acted in this same way. And what we do as 184 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: humans is we unlike animals, we have scientists who can 185 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: then make vaccines who can then protect us. So then 186 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal. And the fact 187 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: that there's been such an unconstable delay lag with this 188 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: monkey pox. I don't know, You tell me who do 189 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: I get mad at? Right? I mean, I think that 190 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: the Biden administration obviously has a lot on its hands. Yeah, 191 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: the world population is not trusting science and vaccines right now? 192 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: Right man? I feel like this is going to be 193 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: a big deal, and a really big deal, you know, 194 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: in a couple of months, even more so, so I 195 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: really want to unpack this because I think that you're 196 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: asking the right question, like who are we supposed to 197 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: be mad at? And frankly, like we're just mad at everybody, right, Like, 198 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, we've been living in you know, the last 199 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, two years plus, just living in what seems 200 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: like pure mayhem, right, And I don't know, is it 201 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: the world population that no longer trusts science or is 202 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: it just is that is that unique to America? And 203 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: I personally, you know, because I haven't traveled to Europe 204 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: or outside of the United States in talking to people, 205 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,479 Speaker 1: but I'll tell you that when I was in Panama 206 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this year, everybody was wearing a mask. 207 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: And it is an outdoor, you know country, It is 208 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: a it is a tropical hot country. Everybody wearing a 209 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: mask and it was not like a problem. There were 210 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: signs on all of the doors that said, don't enter 211 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: into this place without a mask unless it was a 212 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: fully open air uh situation. And so you know that 213 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: that for me unlike is it is it just you 214 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: know Americans who who because of Donald Trump, because of 215 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: the Republicans, and you know, since since the Tea Party 216 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: haven't believed in science, you climate changes and real we 217 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: have our you know, doctor, our scientists that are attached 218 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: to Exxon and BP oil that are telling us that 219 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's plastic straws that's causing that's 220 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: not oil, right like so um, so that's number one. 221 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: And number two. You know, if monkey pox, unlike COVID, 222 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: hasn't has been around, it just hasn't been in the 223 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: United States or in Europe, but it has been in 224 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: nations in Africa. And once again the question that I have, Jonathan, 225 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: is how much do you believe that racism and discrimination, 226 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: whether it be against black people and people of color 227 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: as well as queer people, that has played into the 228 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: lack of significant intel and instruction from the CDC and 229 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: the who, because if I'm going to be angry at anybody, 230 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: it's the fact that these pandemics, multiple viruses show us 231 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: just how fucking racist and discriminatory medicine the entire medical 232 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: community actually is, which people of color and gay people 233 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: have known since AIDS. Well, where should I start? Wherever 234 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: you'd like, I just want to go to Panama. First 235 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: of all. That sounds a lot better. It's lovely, and 236 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: I'll see a couple of things about that. I mean, 237 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: obviously many many provocative points in that question, and certainly 238 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: we don't need monkeypox to teach us that lesson. I mean, 239 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: look at look at the response to COVID right when 240 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: things were spreading in Africa. You know, a great strategy 241 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: would have been to help Africa developed vaccines or to 242 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: think we're all connected in a global community, but also 243 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: in our own country, we had, you know, government agencies 244 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: who were actively suppressing data about COVID deaths among black populations. 245 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: We knew that COVID was signing a sign of a 246 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: structural problem, and we didn't fix the structural inequities on 247 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: and on and on and on. So I don't think 248 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: we need monkeypox to tell us that now I would 249 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: say it's a little complicated with monkeypox in my personal opinion. 250 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is just because they're 251 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: probably fifty illnesses or a zillion illnesses circulating right now 252 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: that we're never going to talk about because they're limited. 253 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: They're things like that. I mean, certainly we need more 254 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: global aid in a way, but I mean there's still 255 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: tons of zeka out there. There's some new illness that's 256 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: infected thirty eight people in China that came from some 257 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: other weird ass animal and stuff like that, and so 258 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: I would just say that, you know, it's really when 259 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: it gets to this, when it gets to something that 260 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: crosses from Africa to hear, that's when we have the 261 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: conversation we certainly need much more global health. I certainly 262 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: think that's true, But I would also say that, you know, 263 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean it gif back to that question of kind 264 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: of who to be mad at, who we mad at 265 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: for monkeypox in particular. I mean, I do think that 266 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: our system has also really had its hands full right now, 267 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: and I do, want to be honest, feel like the 268 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: Biden administration really has dropped the ball, even though it's 269 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: I've obviously got a lot on its plate. But I 270 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: do feel like the Biden administration has dropped the ball 271 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: in terms of prevention planning. I mean, we should, just, 272 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: to be frank, we should have much more vaccine right 273 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: now than we do now. The other thing about monkeypox, 274 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: since it's been around for a long time, is that 275 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: the vaccine technologies we have are pretty effective. It's not 276 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: like MR and A vaccines where we're starting from scratch, 277 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: and so getting more people vaccinated is going to be 278 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: really really key here. The problem is, as we talked 279 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: about last week or two weeks ago, there's only one 280 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: company that makes the vaccine right now, and so that 281 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: that really has to change. But I don't know, I 282 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: feel like this is a really complicated problem, and I 283 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: feel like there was a lot of ball dropping. And 284 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: I certainly think global racism is an issue. But I mean, 285 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: if you would asked me a year ago whether the 286 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: ten biggest or one hundred biggest infectious disease threats facing Africa, 287 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: monkey box wouldn't have been on my top one hundred 288 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: list in a way, And so it's either I get it. 289 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, here's the thing, We're 290 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: not learning any fucking thing right like this. This is 291 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: what gets my anger to like a level that I 292 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: want more people to be at that level of anger, 293 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: which is that we've had two plus years in COVID 294 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: and we've learned not a goddamn thing, and I'm tired 295 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: of it. Either being the disruption of politics and the 296 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: concern that if the Biden administration were to have raised 297 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: a flag with regard to monkey pots, than their concern 298 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: is that Republicans would have turned around and said, look 299 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: at them being hysterical and wanting to trap you in 300 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: your homes and blah blah blah. And so by virtue 301 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: of once again deciding that we're going that their reaction 302 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: to Republicans is more important than being responsible with the 303 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: whole host of citizens that actually, there are seventy five 304 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: percent of the population that will listen to fucking doctors 305 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: and believe the Biden administration and what they are saying. 306 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: There's twenty five percent of the population that doesn't care. Right, 307 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: But you're being concerned and controlled by the twenty five 308 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: percent that doesn't care because you're worried about how this 309 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: is going to play in mid terms. And what I'm 310 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: saying is that like absent politics and absent the politics 311 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: of racism and homophobia, we would be in a different place. 312 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: Because I'm wondering how long it's going to take for 313 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: the production act to go into play from this administration 314 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: in order to develop more vax scene in the way 315 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: that they did for COVID, but the Trump administration waited 316 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: until four hundred thousand people were dead in order to 317 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: do that, Well, first you need to go on vacation. 318 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: More like, I love this, this, this is awesome. Let 319 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: me just say two things about that. If I can 320 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: streamline my own thoughts, which are because I mega for me, 321 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: it's like this is this feels just like everything all 322 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: over again, because it is now, I will say something. 323 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I have no idea about the 324 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: inner workings, but I can see how going just to 325 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate very slightly, I can see how going 326 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: to the mat on monkey pocks was maybe not a 327 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: strategy they wanted to embrace, not because of mistrust of science, 328 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: but because there are no vaccines and so scaring the 329 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: crap out of people for something that'ure. So in other words, 330 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: I would if in other words, I think it would 331 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: just been much different if they had if they had 332 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: one hundred million vaccines, then they could have said monkey 333 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: pox is not just to sexually transmit disease. It's going 334 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: to spread in daycare, it's going to spread in college. 335 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: It's spreads in laundry, and also, here's our treatment. But 336 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess, And again I have no idea, 337 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: But I could see somebody thinking, what do we get 338 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: out of scaring people about this if we have no 339 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: solution except for don't use laundry and don't go to 340 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: the bathhouse and stuff like that. So I can just 341 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: see I can see that being a hard It's not 342 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: just about the midterms. It's like raising a problem that 343 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: you don't have an immediate solution for at that moment, 344 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: given that everybody's in the middle of still of COVID 345 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: and they're really going to need to get people vaccinated 346 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: in the ball with these new boosters and stuff like that. 347 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 1: So again I don't know if that's the case, when 348 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if that was, but I so 349 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: I will push back on that. Just the theory not 350 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: necessarily with you. But the theory here is that let 351 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: me not provide people with the most thoughtful information that 352 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: we have the clearest information that we have at this 353 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: very moment, while we continue to tell people that you 354 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: need to be intellectually nimble because the more information that 355 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: we know, the more that we are going to share it. 356 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: But here is what we know right now, right which 357 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: is A, B and C. That this thing functions more 358 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: like smallpox spreads in a way that it isn't just 359 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: about sexually transmitted diseases or viruses. That if you are 360 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: not cleaning surfaces and someone has open sours, if you 361 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: are sharing up blankets and things that haven't gone through 362 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: a considerable type of wash, if you were not quarantining 363 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: like because I believe, at least initially that all of 364 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: the strategies that we could use in order to keep 365 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: ourselves safe were what we learned initially with COVID. Wash 366 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: your hands, cover your mouth, clean surfaces, you know, and 367 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: all of these things. So if we had just said 368 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: from the jump, here is something new that is scary, 369 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: so all of the things that we had instituted with COVID, 370 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: cleaning surfaces, washing things, things separately. But again, then what 371 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: you're doing is just layering, layering the care that is 372 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: needed on top of the information that has had that 373 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: you have at this time. I don't believe that the 374 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: CDC or the wahhow did that? Now? I there, I 375 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: completely agree with you for sure. I completely agree with you. 376 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: There's just an information vacuum right now. And the CDC 377 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: in fact, feels like to me, it's going backwards, like 378 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: all this new stuff about oh, you don't have to 379 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: quarantine are bad, like doing that now before the crap 380 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: we're about to go through in the fall. So I 381 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: completely agree with you there that it seems like there's 382 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 1: an information vacuum. And I don't, for the life of 383 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: me understand why they don't just do a weekly press 384 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: conference with the experts or something like that from the 385 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: White House. I mean, it makes no sense. And so 386 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: in that resent, I mean, in that regard, I completely 387 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: agree with you, Like, let's find three or four trusted 388 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: voices in sign, let's make this a weekly event. Let's 389 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: have it be like the news that people want to 390 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: turn into. I mean, hell, Trump did that while he 391 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: was hawking you know, life drink, Lysol and stuff like 392 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: that and so um our, Clorox or whatever, and so 393 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: I think the Biden administration really hasn't done that. And 394 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: to me, I completely agree with you. I said in 395 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 1: the beginning, I'm frustrated with the Bid administration, and I 396 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: do think that the knowledge vacuum is huge. And the 397 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: reason that it's huge is because not only are they 398 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: not the megaphone for this, which they should be, but 399 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: then they create an opening. I don't know if you 400 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: watched it this morning, but Governor de Santist from Florida 401 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: had a press conference because this maybe happened when you're gone, 402 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: but they're going to have soldiers teach kids in Florida 403 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: that have no teacher training, no degree, no anything like that. 404 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: So they're third graders in Florida are going to be 405 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: learning like how do you field strip or rabbit? And like, 406 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: you know, how do you patch a a wound and 407 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: stuff like that, not like math or science or literature 408 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: or things like that. So he had a press conference 409 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: this morning and the entire thing was a diatribe against 410 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: masks and vaccines and science and you know, the woke 411 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: agenda and all this kind of stuff, which we should market, 412 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: you know, we should we should get on that. So anyway, 413 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: my point is we've created a knowledge vacuum, right that 414 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: there needs to be a megaphone for science. Right now, 415 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: that's not just regular Biden press conferences, but actually is 416 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: let's the public ask the scientists the questions. Let's you know, 417 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: have school kids one week ask their questions, stuff like that. Like, 418 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, we should have been 419 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: promoting science beyond just um, you know, you know, the 420 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: Biden press conferences are totally fine. They're you know, people, 421 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: we know, former people we know from media running those 422 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: press conferences. They're very well done. But I would but 423 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: I would say that there needs to be a public 424 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: forum for science that the Biden administration, of my opinions, 425 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: should have created. And without that, you're just leaving the 426 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: door open for this crazy crap like what happened in Florida, 427 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: which is somebody can get up there and link having 428 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: untrained soldiers teach third grade to the woke agenda that's 429 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: trying to get people to work. I mean, look, look, 430 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: this is this is going to be a push for parents. 431 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: You want your kids to be fucking idiots, then by 432 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: all means, you know, like keep voting for people like 433 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: Ronda Santists. You believe that education is nothing other than 434 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: having a body in front of your kid and playing 435 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: babysitter in the third fucking grade. You don't want them 436 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: to be competitive? Like there where is the pushback? That's 437 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: the pushback, right, Like, because this isn't going to happen 438 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: to people in New York. It's not going to happen 439 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: to people in California. And so when you start to converge, 440 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: all you have to do is make the case to me, 441 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: Right now, what do what do Republicans want a permanent underclass? 442 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: And who are they hoping that permanent underclass is going 443 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: to be in order to continue along with their capitalistic, 444 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: fascist agenda, People of color? But what is going to 445 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: happen actually is that it's going to be poor white 446 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: people who are going to also be a part of 447 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: the underclass. Right because ninety percent of people in this 448 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: country attend public education, attend public schools, right, So I 449 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: don't understand. You're right, there needed to be a regular 450 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: science form, and there should be one, and there should 451 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: be a regular press conference because all the things that 452 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: we can say about Cuomo and what he did in 453 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: New York, I sat down in front of that press 454 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: conference every single day, every single day that he gave 455 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: a press conference for COVID I sat down in front 456 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: of the television because we did not have a president 457 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: of the United States that gave a fuck, right, So 458 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: the world was watching his press conferences every day on 459 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: COVID and what we were doing and where we were, 460 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: and it was a calming force. Yeah, I think it's 461 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: you can be creative about it. You know, you can 462 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: bring in kids from PS ninety nine one day, you 463 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: can bring in different experts, you can do different topics. 464 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean, just make it. Make it a go to 465 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: thing that is seemingly a source of kind of unbiased information, 466 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: even though everything is political. But again, it's just that 467 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: in that vacuum, it's just it's just created such an 468 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: open space for um for everything else. So I just 469 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: think that that's I think that that's UM. I think 470 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: that that's a really major, major, major issue. Where do 471 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: you let me say, let me just say I think 472 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: that I think that monkeypox is an illustration of that. Right, 473 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 1: And again, part of the point is the knowledge is evolving, 474 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: So just say, hey, look, here's what we know this week. 475 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: Come back next week. We'll tell you what we learned 476 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: next week. You know what I mean. It's not like 477 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: you have to have the answer to every single thing. Um, 478 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: But I don't think this has been done well. And 479 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: again I agree with you about knowledge for sure, for sure, 480 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: but they also should have had more vaccines. They should 481 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: have seen this coming. Yeah. So my last question for 482 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: you though, because I will tell you that the feedback 483 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: that I get, Jonathan from our weekly talks is the 484 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: fact that the woka F audience is so grateful because 485 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: all of the things that you have warned us about, 486 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: all of the things that you have recommended, have actually happened, 487 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: and people have take your recommendations and they take them 488 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 1: seriously because they're not getting it anywhere else. So, you know, 489 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: barring the fact that we don't know everything about what 490 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: is happening with monkeypox, tell folks what you recommend in 491 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: terms of how they are now keeping themselves safe with 492 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: the knowledge that we have at this moment. Well, Number 493 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: one is to get a vaccine appointment. I can pretty 494 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: much guarantee you that they're going to open this up 495 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: beyond just high risk gaymend pretty soon. Here. I don't 496 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,239 Speaker 1: have any inside information. I'm just saying the way this 497 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: thing is spreading, just vaccinating gaym end is not going 498 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: to work. And so that if you're in New York 499 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: or other places, there are vaccine appointments that are opening up, 500 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: and I would, I mean, I would recommend try to 501 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: get a vaccine appointment for sure. I also think that, 502 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: as we're saying here, monkeypox is not like COVID. It's 503 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: not floating in the air for the most part, for 504 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: the most part, and so you can be much safer 505 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: by becoming much more religious like we were in the 506 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: beginning of COVID, with surfaces, and so I think surface 507 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: protection is important. I mean, you know me, I'm a 508 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm a fatalist, right, but I bought a bunch of 509 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: rubber cloves. Again, even though it already donated all my 510 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: rubber gloves, I couldn't help myself. So stuff like that. 511 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: It's just basic kind of protections. But again, people should 512 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: know that this is not for them. I mean, if 513 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: somebody has active monkeypox and and it's in there, you know, 514 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: inside of them, and then they sneeze, it could go airborne. 515 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: But it's not an airborne virus, and so you can 516 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: protect yourself with cleanliness and protection for the most part. 517 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: But it's again it's going to take a level of attention. 518 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: So I would say The other really important point is 519 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: to hang in there because hopefully we're not going to 520 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: have this problem next by the winter or next spring, 521 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: so there will certainly be an f vaccines going forward. 522 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: It's just that right now we got caught with our 523 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: proverbial pants proverbially down, and so really it's hanging in 524 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: there right now is important too, Doctor Jonathan Matzel. As always, 525 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: we appreciate you your advice, your recommendations, and your lifeheartedness 526 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: through these increasingly dark times that we continue to be 527 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: maneuvering through. Never a dull moment. Do I do want 528 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: to talk about I mean, I was born on a 529 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: military base. My dad was in the Air Force. This 530 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: is no knock on military people or families or anything, 531 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: but they're opening up teaching to soldiers and their spouses 532 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: without any training or degree or anything like that. So 533 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: I do want to talk about, like what I agree 534 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: with your point. I think it's really important. I want 535 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: to highlight a Stephen Thrasher has this great book, Viral 536 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 1: Underclass that just came out that talks about how we 537 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: need like an educated poor people to do the labor 538 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: that's not being done by education, by immigration, and I 539 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: think this is a perfect example of it. I totally agree. 540 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: Who's the who's the author Viral Underclass, Yes, Stephen Thrasher. 541 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: And there's an excellent forward. So the author of Dying 542 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: of Whiteness wrote a forward to that book, which is 543 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: love it. Thank you, Jonathan. We appreciate you. Okay, take it. 544 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Folks on woke a 545 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: f as always. Power to the people and to all 546 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.