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Speaker 1: Second date up date.

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Speaker 2: If I've learned anything from reading countless dating blogs, they

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Speaker 2: all say the absolute worst thing you can do is

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Speaker 2: be open to trying new things.

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Speaker 3: No, they don't. That's the opposite of what they all say.

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Speaker 2: New experiences should scare you and you need to avoid

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Speaker 2: them at all costs.

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Speaker 1: Instead of reading.

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Speaker 3: The anti therapy blogs.

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Speaker 2: Again, you know, you need to stick to the places

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Speaker 2: that you've already been and people you already know, and

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Speaker 2: nothing bad can ever happen people.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jeff, what is how you end up in? Like

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Speaker 3: my hometown? Dat you?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Supports it as one of our listeners didn't take that advice,

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Speaker 2: thank god, And he's some sort of modern renaissance man

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Speaker 2: decided to try something new and look where it landed

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Speaker 2: him right here on our show, which I'm guessing is

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Speaker 2: another new experience for him that he's never done before.

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Speaker 3: So yikes, we're the low point.

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Speaker 1: We are, Alvin, welcome to your new lifelove.

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Speaker 4: Awesome, glad to be here. This is my first time

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Speaker 4: ever doing that.

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Speaker 3: Now, are you feeling shame or excitement?

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Speaker 4: No, definitely excitement. I don't I'm not feeling shame.

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Speaker 2: Okay, We're going to change that by the end of

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Speaker 2: the segment. But you said that you tried something new

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Speaker 2: for your dating life.

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Speaker 1: What was that?

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Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of a red envelope party?

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Speaker 3: What is that? What's a red envelope party?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's like a like a dating event that people

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Speaker 4: put on. And there was at this fancy house and

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Speaker 4: you went by yourself.

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Speaker 3: You didn't bring a friend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, this was a friend hooked me up with this,

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Speaker 4: but I went by myself. Yeah. And then you scan

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Speaker 4: like a QR code and you fill out a questionnaire

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Speaker 4: that's like about your interests and your values.

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Speaker 3: You know what kind of person you are a dating profile, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just a brief little thing like that, and

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Speaker 4: then once you do the questionnay. I went side the

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Speaker 4: house and it was had the vibe of like a

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Speaker 4: slanky private members club. It was fancy furniture and well

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Speaker 4: stocked bar, chandeliers, the whole you know, chandelier that is rich. No, no, people,

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Speaker 4: you get a house full of single people and you're

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Speaker 4: only allowed to talk to one person that they give

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Speaker 4: you a motive?

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Speaker 1: Is that the rule?

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Speaker 4: No? No, You're you're supposed to mingle and drink and

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Speaker 4: have a good time. That's what I was doing. About

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Speaker 4: like an hour into it, maybe a little more, a

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Speaker 4: waiter came around with a silver tray and on the

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Speaker 4: tray were red envelopes and you find the one that

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Speaker 4: had your name on it, and that has inside the

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Speaker 4: person that you are supposed to meet once, but we'd

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Speaker 4: already hung out from I'm guessing.

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Speaker 3: The whole point is so that you go around the

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Speaker 3: room and actually try to find the other person. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's more about talking to other person, I mean my

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Speaker 2: And the fact that it's on a silver tray makes

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Speaker 2: who was the person whose name was in your envelope?

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Speaker 4: My envelope had the name Natalie in it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, had you already met? Why are you laughing?

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Speaker 2: I thought he said he had his own name in

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Speaker 3: Did you had you already met Natalie or do you

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Speaker 4: I had actually met her, and she was like obviously

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Speaker 4: on there to date. So I'm looking around, you know,

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Speaker 4: looking at all the ladies, and she was like top

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Speaker 3: Oh you're like yes, like he read envelope, that's nice.

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Speaker 4: There was a total yes, just bump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you went and tracked her down. How

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Speaker 4: It was great. We were having a really good time

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Speaker 4: and she was laughing a lot and I was laughing.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a good sign because she could have been

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Speaker 3: disappointed when she saw your name.

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Speaker 4: No, no, she seemed cool and she was, you know,

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Speaker 4: kept encouraging us to go back to the bar. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we did drink a bit. I admit it. I definitely

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Speaker 3: Okay, but you're you know, you're doing it together her

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Speaker 3: and it's a party scene, like it seems appropriate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was appropriate amount And I was not alone,

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Speaker 4: you know, it was everybody was having a good time,

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Speaker 1: These are all positive reviews.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything in your mind that like was like

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Speaker 2: a low moment of the night or something that could

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes there was.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's laughing now.

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Speaker 4: It's not the worst. But like, we had been sitting

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Speaker 2: Oh and this was in front of Natalie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I was walking with her.

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Speaker 3: You may have but she may have looked a little sloppy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah you know, yeah I looked sloppy. I didn't like

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Speaker 4: was just like passing out. But you know, I definitely

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Speaker 4: leaned into it hard, let's put it that way.

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Speaker 1: Confident lean into a bush.

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Speaker 4: But she helped me out of it. But like, I'm

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Speaker 4: a pretty big guy, so she couldn't really do it.

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Speaker 4: So this guy like kind of stepped over and kind

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Speaker 4: of helped me too.

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Speaker 1: Gave you a hand.

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Speaker 2: Not your proudest moment, but it's probably not like a

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Speaker 2: total deal break for you.

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Speaker 1: So how did it end that night? But with you

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Speaker 1: and Natalie?

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Speaker 4: Well, at the end of the party, I asked her

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Speaker 4: you know, soak up the alcohol, right, And she said

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Speaker 4: she wanted to hang back and find this friend that

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Speaker 4: she came with. And I don't know that's it. Then.

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard back from her. I mean I got

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Speaker 3: Exactly, have you called her or nothing?

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Speaker 4: I texted her once. I don't want to be the

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Speaker 4: dude who's stending multiple texts what definitely like damn, I

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Speaker 4: went to all that trouble and thought it was a

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Speaker 4: good connection and then just seem weird that nothing has

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Speaker 2: Maybe she confidently leaned on the same bush and is

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Speaker 2: come pick her out. So we're gonna call, We'll see

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Speaker 2: if she answers, and try and get you your second

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Speaker 2: date update fancy edition.

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Speaker 1: Coming up right after this second date update.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna need to set the scene here for any

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Speaker 2: listeners just joining us. We picture well dressed men and

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Speaker 2: women sitting on ornate couches, sitting on gimlets, mingling together.

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Speaker 1: Red envelope party.

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Speaker 2: Old people.

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Speaker 1: It's fancy.

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Speaker 3: It does feel like something that happened in Jeff's neighborhood. Girls. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: a lot of ask.

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Speaker 2: On gimlets and mint julips.

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Speaker 1: What's a red envelope party?

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Speaker 2: I'm still not one hundred percent sure I get the idea,

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Speaker 2: But one of our listeners, Alvin, attended one the other

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Speaker 2: night where he went to a house in an upscale neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: They have you fill out a dating survey and then later,

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Speaker 2: based on the answers to your questionnaire, they bring you

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Speaker 2: a red envelope on a silver platter with the name

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Speaker 2: of the person that you matched with and are supposed

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Speaker 2: to meet that night. Yes, and the name of Alvin's

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Speaker 2: person was Natalie, So they met up, had a great

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Speaker 3: I didn't ruin the night, It was just a memory.

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Speaker 3: The thing is he remembers it, so he wasn't too

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Speaker 3: dry exactly.

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Speaker 2: The problem is now Natalie is ghosting. So Brooke, take

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Speaker 2: a break from putting your reservation and at the red envelope.

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Speaker 1: Hoalse and what how do you feel about it?

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Speaker 3: My hometown was more like bush light and you'd wrestle

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Speaker 3: a pig, you know.

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Speaker 1: They started.

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Speaker 3: The problem is is it's a singles party, so she

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Speaker 3: could have easily just met somebody else that night. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like that's the whole point in the red envelope is

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Speaker 3: so you go around and.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're talking about before the envelopes were handed out, Yes, yea,

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Speaker 3: The friend that she had to find at the end

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Speaker 3: of the party air quotes was probably the person she

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Speaker 2: Alvin, did you notice Natalie speaking with any other guys.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I did notice her speaking with other guys,

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Speaker 3: That's what the point is. That's like asking you. It's

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Speaker 3: not like they signed a contract that you could only

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Speaker 2: You don't know who's in the red envelope for the

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Speaker 2: first hour jet it's a red envelope with a red

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Speaker 1: I'm worried, but let's call Natalie here and see what

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Speaker 1: she has to say. Here we go, Hello, Hey, is

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Speaker 5: Yes, this is Natalie. Who is this?

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Speaker 2: My name is jeff and I'm part of a radio

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Speaker 2: show called Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning. We're all

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Speaker 2: here eager to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: What.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually were given your phone number by one

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Speaker 2: of our listeners that went out.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of on a sort of a date.

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Speaker 3: Met you at a dating party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, singles, And this segment is called second Date Update

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Speaker 2: because we're trying to get you two back together and

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Speaker 2: figure out if there's maybe chemistry or if if.

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Speaker 1: You feel the same way.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Brooke. But this guy's name is Alvin.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Remember him from the Red On Remember him, right, I do,

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Speaker 2: I do remember him.

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Speaker 5: I'm just surprised.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Describe like what that party was like

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Speaker 1: Also, if it's one of those parties, you don't have

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Speaker 5: So I just I had never been to one, So

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Speaker 5: I don't know what to tell you about it because

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Speaker 5: I didn't stay.

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Speaker 3: You didn't say, well, I don't say he stayed very

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Speaker 3: long either? Did you meet somebody else? Is that what

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Speaker 3: it come down to, which is totally fine, that's the

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Speaker 3: whole point of the party, right, success for you?

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Speaker 5: Well, I've had friends who have done these parties, Like

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Speaker 5: I was really just trying to to experience it and

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Speaker 5: leave because my friends who've done his parties, they say

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Speaker 5: You know that it can get pretty crazy, let's put

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Speaker 5: it that way. And I was just trying to get

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Speaker 3: I don't know, are you not calling Alvin back because

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Speaker 2: If you think that you're making an assumption there, I

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Speaker 3: Because he seems like such an innocent guy him.

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Speaker 2: And you don't even have to wait because Alvin is

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Speaker 2: from a secret room in your studio.

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Speaker 3: Don't say that.

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Speaker 4: Yes I'm here.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, what is happening?

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Speaker 3: Did I die? Did you say after midnight?

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Speaker 1: Alvin? Do you know what she's talking about with the

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Speaker 4: I do?

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Speaker 1: You do you? And you're laughing?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Bro? Well yeah, I mean she laughed, and like I said,

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Speaker 3: Well, assumption.

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid to go into any more details of what

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Speaker 4: Brother, I was just enjoying the view.

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Speaker 3: Why in the world would you contact a radio show

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Speaker 2: Why did you You didn't mention any of this to us?

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Speaker 4: True, you guys asked me to talk about the date part.

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Speaker 4: That's the part that I was interested in talking with

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Speaker 2: Okay, well sure, but it's a pretty important detail.

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Speaker 1: I think to bring up, like the.

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Speaker 4: Story end when Natalie left, like afterwards, that was just on.

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Speaker 3: This, you know, Okay, we don't need to I mean,

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Speaker 3: is this making you feel better or worse? Natalie?

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Speaker 5: I mean I don't like the idea of him watching

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Speaker 4: Because you were not interested in Like I was thinking

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Speaker 4: all I want other people.

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Speaker 5: Thinking of me.

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Speaker 2: That's so, well, why do you have the party?

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Speaker 3: You're not into that type of people, Like, Natalie, what

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Speaker 5: Right now, Yeah, I was trying to just do something

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Speaker 5: I definitely have boundaries as far as not wanting to

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Speaker 4: Okay, you guys are going to sound like I'm some

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Speaker 3: Were some of us are jealous, like a podcast about

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Speaker 1: Long were you there?

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Speaker 4: So like like three, a little after three, like three

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Speaker 4: thirty something?

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Speaker 1: You watched for three hours.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll only really actually watched like this one

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Speaker 4: room called the ascot room. That's the only one that

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Speaker 4: I the ascot room. You know what ascots are like

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Speaker 4: those ties like scarves.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a smart idea, Sila.

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Speaker 4: Pretty creative.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's so gross. I don't what I

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Speaker 2: Well, look, he didn't use one of the ascots. He

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Speaker 5: Oh no, But I like, oh no, I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why I shouldn't have pulled you out

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Speaker 2: Different meanings before I ask officially Alvin, is there anything

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Speaker 2: else that you want to say to Natalie, like a

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Speaker 2: like a final plea.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I just.

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Speaker 4: Want to say, like I thought we had a good

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Speaker 4: not like into that scene. That's not like my place

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and he obviously his intentions was to

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I just need to know are you going

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Speaker 3: Well I was a little soon to say that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not too soon to ask if we

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Speaker 1: The two of you. We have a red envelope party

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Speaker 3: I'm going to see you in the baby bedroom.

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Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say, as long as

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're open to it.

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Speaker 5: You know what I am, because like I said, I'm

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Speaker 5: and he committed to the experience, but it doesn't sound

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Speaker 3: Oh my.

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Speaker 1: Janitor's classes gradus. You got yourself another day?

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Speaker 4: Yes, but I really am.

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Speaker 3: Is it gonna be so sweet when you guys tell this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody has red as Scots in the wedding party.

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Speaker 4: No, just on honeymoon night.

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Speaker 3: They can watch freaking Jeffrey in the morning.

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Speaker 1: That's weird.

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Speaker 2: Just opened my email and got an invite to a

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Speaker 2: black envelope party. They say they provide you with a

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Speaker 1: Does anybody know what this is? Yeah, dude, jeff you

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Speaker 1: know what. I'm just gonna accept it that night. I'm

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Speaker 2: Is anybody else shocked that Natalie said yes to the

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Speaker 1: I am a little bit and still shot.

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Speaker 3: He called into a radio station after attend something like that.

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Speaker 3: I know that is like, it's beyond me.

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Speaker 1: Here's my theory and it's a total theory. She is still.

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Speaker 3: Slightly in the back of her head.

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Speaker 1: In the weirdest way. Interested. She showed up to the party,

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Speaker 2: And she still said, well, she's looking for somebody to

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Speaker 2: be her shirpa, to help like guide her to me

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Speaker 2: to the post midnight activity. Yeah, could just be the Hey,

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Speaker 2: he's honest, he said, he just watched Yeah, okay for

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's good.

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Speaker 3: When do you become an expert? How many hours do

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Is that how that works?

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Speaker 1: You're an expert? Do they kick you out?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You would think if you're a first timer at one

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he soaked it up.

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Speaker 3: Nothing shakes this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, we need to go, but make sure to

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Speaker 2: listen to any of our second dates. Wherever you get

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Speaker 2: your podcasts, they're available at Brook and Jeffrey. You can

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Speaker 2: always email the show to We'll try and call that

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