WEBVTT - #339 Packers Unscripted: Downed in Detroit 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:21.120 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.040 I am Mike Spofford, joined by my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.760 We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.120 Field West. We're here to review the Packers twenty three 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.839 loss to the Detroit Lions at Ford Field on Sunday. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.159 And I tell you what, just when you think the 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:40.800 Packers can't start games any worse than what happened against Chicago, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:45.320 what happened against Washington, this one, quite quite frankly was worse. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.479 Twenty four to nothing at halftime, UM mistakes just across 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.960 the board and a hole that was simply too deep 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.240 for the Packers to dig out of. This is probably 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.640 gonna go down, Michael. It's probably one of the more 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.240 bizarre games I've covered in terms of the Packers did 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.600 not punt in this game. Uh strangely enough, it actually 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.440 I was I was almost leaving the office last on 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.800 Sunday night, and I was like, you know what, I 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.080 don't think I saw J K. Scott out there at all. 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.640 But how it ends up working out is Mason Crosby 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.880 obviously had the foremass field goals two fumbles from Aaron 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.479 Rodgers in the first half that end up turning into 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:26.160 takeaways for Detroit. And then that first play where kind 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.959 of a controversial situation where Sam Martin's punt bounces and 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.000 there's a little bit of a discrepancy whether or not 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.479 it hit Kevin King or whether or not it hit 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.760 Um one of the Detroit defenders, and Miles Kilber. It 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.839 was and it was interesting. Afterwards. I asked Hermont Williams 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.800 about it. He said, the referees originally told the Packers 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:50.040 that it had hit Detroit first, but whatever conversation they 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.480 then had, they then decided that it was hitting the 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.120 Packers first. So then that goes to replay review in 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.600 New York and then there wasn't into disputable. Evin and 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.040 Troy gets the ball at the one yard line, a 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.280 one yard look Garrett Blunt carry later, the Packers are 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.080 already down seven to nothing. As william said, that isn't 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.520 ultimately what changed the outcome of this thing, but I 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.919 think it did kind of illustrate the situation the Packers 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.239 found themselves in three turnovers in the first half to 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.680 turn into Lions seventeen points and in another hole that 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.839 it was really too big to dig out of. Yeah. Well, 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.320 and this is my thing, and I don't want to perseverate, 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.800 as we like to say, too long about this opening 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.320 punt play. But to me, it didn't look like the 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.560 initial ruling was that it was Lion's ball. The officials 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.480 got together and talked about it and then said the 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.000 ruling was Lions ball. So then it went to replay 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:42.880 and that was the call in the field that then 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.280 would have to be overturned. Well, if the initial ruling 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.520 was Lion's ball, where was the official to throw the 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.200 little blue bean bag to say that I saw the 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.680 ball hit the packer guy? Because if the bean bag 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.800 comes out, then the packers know, oh well we better 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.800 fall on it because they're saying it's a live ball. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.600 The packers were never given that indication. They were never 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.880 given at signal. So I think the whole thing was 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.679 botched by the officiating crew and the fact that then 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.760 the call on the field you needed the indisputable evidence 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.160 to overturn it. It just put the back packers in 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.560 a bad spot. But that being said, it was no 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:15.640 different than if the Lions had just driven down and 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.720 scored a touchdown on the opening drive. Of the game. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.239 It's seven nothing, You're just five minutes into the game, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.079 whatever it is at that point, and the Packers right 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.480 from the get go, West were moving the ball, and 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.240 the Lions consistently they moved the ball up and down 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.120 the field. In the first half, they couldn't finish drives 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.600 and couldn't make kicks, so you got no points when 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.640 you should have had six or nine or whatever the 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.840 case might have been. The second half, the Packers were 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.800 certainly finishing drives and getting in the end zone affair 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.480 amount of time, but you're just behind by so much. Yeah, 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.240 it was just it was it was insurmountable at that point. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.240 And they've done some pretty remarkable things in terms of 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.040 these second half rallies and then trying to put themselves 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:55.600 back in a position to win the game. They did 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.280 it against Chicago in Week one, and as it turns out, 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.560 the Bears are the team actually leading the Vision now 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.920 at this point. But you look at your on the 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.200 road now you're in Ford Field. You and I heard 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:10.240 that crowd, and I said it last week. My whole 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.400 thought that has been at least during the Matthew staff 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.240 which I've been covering the team. If you allow the 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.400 if you allow the Lions to get off to a 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.320 fast start, that crowd is going to get into it 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.479 and it's gonna be tough to battle back from that. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.440 Now they they've done it. The hail mary, say you're 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.160 down twenty to nothing in and it took a fumble 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.680 recovery in the end zone and a hail mary to 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.560 get two of your touchdowns to come back and win. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.960 And that's ultimately what some of the Packers defenders said 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.080 to after this game. Yeah, they only gave up two 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.440 and fifty three yards less than two h yards passing 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.640 in this one. If you take away the explosive to 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.840 Kenny Holiday Gala day, then it ends up being, you know, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.960 almost closer to one thirty. But we don't live in 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.400 that world. The biggest thing that a lot of those 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.400 guys said is Detroit found ways to take away the football. 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.680 Whatever you're you know, form or thought is on that, 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.279 and the Packers just didn't do enough of that against 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.640 Matthew Stafford. So it just seemed like at times and 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.600 the offense got rolling and they started to pick things up, 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.279 then maybe the defense just wasn't able to get the stop, 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.320 or when the defense got to stop the offense, wasn't 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.760 able to turn it into points and ultimately ends up 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.320 being a road loss in Detroit. Yeah, it was. It 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.479 was maybe one of the rougher days for special teams 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.960 for the Packers in a long time. And not just 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.800 the controversial play with Kevin King and the punt early 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:26.200 in the game, but penalty after penalty on special teams 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.120 that really affected field position. The only time the entire 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.960 game the Packers had any field position in their favor 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.359 was when the Lions missed the long field goal in 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.279 the second half and the Packers got the ball near 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:41.440 midfield there after Prators missed. Otherwise, because of the penalties 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.400 and special teams mistakes, the Packers were starting on their 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.520 own twelve fifteen yard line. It seemed like every single 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.680 drive and that's again where you get to. Okay, so 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.440 Mason Crosby has a forty some yard field goal, Well, 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.320 if that drive had started fifteen ten or fifteen yards 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.600 further out, maybe that's a chip shot field goal, or 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.360 maybe you are in the red zone with a chance 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.240 to finish the drive for a touchdown. So the field position, 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.760 I thought played into this game considerably. And obviously you 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.000 mentioned the turnovers. Both of the Packers turnovers in their 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.800 own territory set up short fields for the Lions to 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.480 get ten fairly easy points, and then the one on 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.440 the one yard line after the controversial punt play seventeen points. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:24.279 The Lions scored with thirty one yards of offense. You 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.520 can't you can't gift wrap a game any better than that, No, 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.680 you really can. And I also thought it was interesting. 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.960 Davante Adams touched on this after the game as well. 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.400 Looking back, you mentioned some of the chip shot, not 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.360 chip shot, but some of the field goals that Crosby 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:42.080 missed from thirty Yeah, at Adams put it perfectly, I 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:43.960 thought in saying that, you know, in the world, you know, 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.040 we want to make sure that Mason Crosby doesn't have 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.000 to kick field goals. We want to make sure that 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.200 we're able to punch these things in. The Packers just 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.800 consistently have been able to do that enough. They've they've 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.600 been able to make drives, have been able to get 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.640 within field goal range, but they haven't been able to 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:58.920 finish them. And then you even look back to the 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.120 thirty eight yard one miss, Well, then that comes after 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.520 an intentional grounding a call that gave up sixteen yards. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.479 So it's little things like that that can ultimately compounded 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.600 a bigger issues. And and yeah, and then you know, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.400 time Montgomery has a big kickoff return, a holding call 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.000 brings that back that looked like it was away from 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.520 the ball. So it's just it's things like that where 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:18.960 it's just you know, I don't want to say it's 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.000 it's shooting yourself in the foot, but but it is. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.760 It is. You know, it's it's self inflicted wounds. It's 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.000 things that are completely avoidable that are impacting the game. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.720 And uh, and the Packers just have to start cleaning 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.520 it up. Yeah. And the devastating thing about it is, 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.360 I mean, you and I talked about this before we 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.080 started the show today. It's covering up a lot of 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.720 really good performances too. And I mentioned, you know, Davonte 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.760 Adams off to the best start of his career right now, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.440 thirty seven catches through five games. I think so much 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.880 for that bad calf he played he played yesterday, I mean, 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.160 he was It's too bad he wasn't able to haul 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.160 in that one by the goal line that might have 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.120 been able to flip the game in the fourth quarter. 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.920 But but other than that, boy he was he was 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.760 specially yes, yeah, hundred forty receiving yards had a touchdown 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.040 his end consecutive touchdown in a road game, which is 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.040 just crazy that that it's worked out that way for him. 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.080 I think Blake Martinez is off to a really good 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:08.960 start to this season. He got his first two sack 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.440 game in this Kenny Clark continues to do work these 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.000 defensive snaps. But when you have individual performances standing out, 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.320 there's always the other side of that too, in terms 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.000 of just not being able to lift up at the 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.360 right times, and I think for the Packers, they're still 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.880 trying to figure that out. Trumant Williams said it afterwards too, 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.640 to two in one right now, he doesn't really know 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.920 what kind of team they have at this point. There's 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.160 still a lot that the Packers have to discover about themselves. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.000 And I think ultimately it comes back to consistency and 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.600 all three phases. It wasn't like it was one particular 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.080 phase of this game that let the Packers down. It 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.800 was just inconsistency in all three phases that gave Detroit 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.760 enough wiggle wiggle room to be able to hold onto 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.959 that lead in the second half. Yeah, there's certainly plenty 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.280 of blame to go around in this one. In terms 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.840 of the Packers taking this loss, I will say this 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.640 about the defense, and I don't mean to oversimplify things 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.520 too much, but I did mention seventeen points on thirty 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.520 one yard. But that being said, I really thought the 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.240 defense had three bad plays in my opinion. Now this 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.040 is not including the penalties. There were a couple of 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.320 personal foul penalties on the defense that were inexcusable in 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.320 my mind, and the Packers definitely have to avoid those 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.480 and clean those up. But in terms of the action 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.760 on the field, I thought the defense had three bad plays. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.560 The sixty yard one over the top to Golladay. Josh 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.640 Jackson's in the right position, and we've seen it too 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.080 many times this year West where the defensive backs are 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.640 in position, but they're not making the right play on 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.840 the ball and it's leading to a big play for 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.920 the other team. Then at the end of the first half, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.640 Marvin Jones Jr. Ends up being wide open across the 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.280 middle in the back of the end zone when the 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.680 defense had a chance to hold them to a field goal. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.440 And then it's only twenty to nothing at halftime instead 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.080 of twenty four. That was a coverage bust. And then 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.280 late in the game in the fourth quarter, again the 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.360 Lions are driving, but the Packers have a chance to 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.200 hold him to a field goal and still have a 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.319 chance and carry on John's and takes a handoff around 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:05.280 left end, is completely untouched. Nobody sets the edge. I 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.920 don't know whose responsibility it was. There were some different 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.280 things going on in terms of who was crashing inside 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.200 and this and that. But he goes around the left 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.319 side completely untouched and ends up going twenty four yards 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.160 down the field out of bounds and uh and it 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.520 sets up another Lion's touchdown. Those were the three plays 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.080 that I thought were the real black marks for the defense. 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:29.679 Other than that, you know, quite frankly, with Aaron Rodgers 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.640 and Davante Adams playing the way they were, the defense 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.840 played well enough to win this game, but the offense 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.400 was only there for really one half of football, and 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.680 the special teams just didn't help all day long. Yeah, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.800 and and ultimately you're the result is going to be 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.360 a game in which the Packers almost doubled up Detroit 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:49.320 in total yards to five to two. D sixty four. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:55.040 Packer's own time of possession this game and in really 0:10:55.200 --> 0:11:00.360 every category beat the Lions. Unfortunately for them, it comes 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.839 back to the takeaways. It comes back to giving them 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.600 the field position that they did. Detroit's average studying field 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:07.719 position this game was their their own forty it's own 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.160 forty six yard line. Yeah, you just can't do that 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.080 and expect to win. And in for the Packers, there's 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:13.839 a lot to learn from, there's a lot to clean up, 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.400 and you know, it's gonna be interesting to see now 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.480 they go up against the San Francisco team that's kind 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.720 of really in on its heels, reeling since the loss 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.400 of Jimmy Garoppolo next Monday night. Packers have to I 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.160 don't want to say flush, but they gotta learn from 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.760 this quickly, turn it around, get a big win here 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.280 at lambeau Field, and then head into that bye week. Yeah, 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.440 and here's the thing, West, I know the fans are 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:37.120 frustrated and five games into the season, you know, everybody's 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.760 wondering about the big picture and just what's going on here. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:41.880 First of all, as you said, it's all about the 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.640 San Francisco forty niners. You have your bye week, after that, 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.000 you have to win that game, get to three two 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:48.880 and one at the bye, use the rest to get 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.040 healthy and get ready to go. Here's the thing I'll 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.400 say about the big picture. I remember you and I 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.640 sitting here in doing this show during the four game 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.640 losing streak in November, when the Packers dropped to four 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.600 and six, and I said a couple of different times, 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.000 I felt the Packers they were going they were going 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:08.920 to figure it out, they were going to start to 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.560 play better. I just didn't know if they would do 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.960 it in time. Well, it turned out they did it 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.080 just in time to be able to run the table, 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.480 get in the playoffs, and ultimately get all the way 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.880 to the NFC Championship game. What I'm gonna say this time, 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.920 I believe this Packers team is going to play better. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.800 They have more talent on the field than what the 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.920 results are showing right now. Here's the thing, though, You 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.640 look at these first two road games Washington in Detroit, 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.320 the the six road games the Packers have left. In 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:45.280 my opinion, Rams, Patriots, Vikings, Bears, Jets, and Seahawks. I 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.320 think all six of those teams are better than the 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.679 two road teams the Packers have played so far just 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.120 my opinion. So I think this Packers team is going 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.520 to play better. The thing is, the jump they have 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.440 to make now heading into the rest of the season 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.400 is larger than we thought it would be because we 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.480 didn't think they'd be to two in one right now, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.480 and it needs to be larger than we thought because 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.240 the opponents, especially on the road, are going to get tougher. Yeah, 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.120 and they're gonna be playing some tough venues. When you 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.719 look at Seattle, regardless of where they stand this year 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.720 and the issues that they're having, they're difficult to play 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.719 in Central Link. Just as Jared goff with with how 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.280 close that game was down to the wire. A lot 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.120 of things for the Packers to figure out from that regard. 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.480 But going back to somebody again that Davante Adams said 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.800 after the game, looking speaking just specifically on the offense, 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.360 he said, you know, we've shown we can score points, 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.040 We've shown we can move the ball. That production has 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:38.920 been there. But I just think the interesting thing the 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.600 Packers this year, the hundred season, this particular team is 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.120 having a hard time sort of solving, is that can 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.040 they get the defense and offense to play a complete 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:49.959 game at the same time and not to have a 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.000 let up where the offense starts slow and the defense 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.679 starts faster or vice versa. To be able to get 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.559 out and you really set the tone right from the beginning, 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.000 and you know, you look at where the Packers are 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.840 are in in you know, we're a weak removed from 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.600 talking about a twenty two to nothing shut out, and 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.600 it's just it, it's so it's so weak to week 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.280 you have to be able to move on beyond it. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.280 You also have to learn from it. And I just 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.480 think with being able to see from the very least Marcoisvelde, 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.120 Scantling and Economius st Brown stepping up the way they did, 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:18.560 I think it end up being what it was a 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.400 hundred some yards that they ended up being able to 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:25.360 contribute together Hu a touchdown mvs getting his first NFL 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.520 TV and almost two for him in that game, despite 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.520 not having Geronimo Allison and Randall Cobb. You're seeing the 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.360 spark that Aaron Jones can give you. With the offense, 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.520 I think the offensive line has had done a pretty 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.760 fairly nice job of being able to really roll with 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.120 the punches here earlier in the season. So all the 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.640 components are there. Jimmy Graham had five catches for seventy 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.600 one yards. All the components are there, but it's getting 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.000 all of them to fire at the same time on 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.360 all cylinders. And defensively, I think the biggest thing for 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.000 this defense right now is just being able to generate 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.160 consistent pressure. They didn't have a sack from the four 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.800 outside linebackers in this game. They need to be able 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:00.960 to find a way to get going. Because I'll be 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.280 honest with you, Mike, the fact that the Packers were 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.520 able to hold Matthew Stafford under two yards of passing 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.960 in this game, regardless of what the field position was, 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.120 despite the fact that Tony Brown, who was just promoted 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.200 from the practice squad, had to basically play on the 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.040 boundary at the end of the game after Kevin King 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.760 got his his chin cut. Yeah, the Packers were really 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.400 reeling in that secondary. And and this is where depending 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.200 on how things shuffle out here, and you assume that 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.440 King hopefully will be fine here after some stitches, but 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.040 you know, maybe getting Jaire Alexander back that the pieces 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.400 are there on both sides of the ball, it's just 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.480 a matter now the execution and we hear that e 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.280 word every single week, but it's so true. You have 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.800 to execute. Yeah. Well, the phrase that Mike McCarthy is 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.760 used in the past, we haven't heard him say it yet, 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.960 maybe he'll say it today or at some point here, 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.560 but he likes to use the phrase complimentary football. And 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.040 what he means by that is exactly what you're talking about. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.640 It's where the offense does something good and then the 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.520 defense builds on it. The defense does something good and 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.000 the offense takes advantage of it, and that's how you 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.360 build momentum, you take control of a game. And that's 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.320 not saying you're jumping out to nothing on somebody like 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.480 the Lions did, but it's not putting yourself in a 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.880 position where basically, I mean, what is this West maybe 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.880 the maybe the third time, this is probably the third 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:12.520 time this year. You look at the Bears game, the 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:16.280 Washington game, and this game where the deficit is such 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.920 that that Mike McCarthy said to just toss the game 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.760 plan and the garbage at halftime. Game plans are built. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.840 You're trying to do certain things in the first half 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.280 to then set up some things in the second half. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.480 You know, all there's a lot of thought that goes 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.160 into these but you get into these three and four 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.400 score deficits, and it it doesn't matter what you plan 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.360 during the week. It's just like, all right, well, you know, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.800 we gotta we gotta go here, and we've we've got 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.400 to score, We've got to score quickly. We got to 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.720 get the ball back. It all becomes focused on that, 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.200 not about using this play to set up that one 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.320 and and all those things, all that work that goes 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.240 into the into the week. So the Packers need to 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.160 The Packers need to find a way for when one 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.920 phase of their team does something good that then the 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.080 next one that takes the field capitalizes on it and 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.960 does something to keep to keep control of the game, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.880 to keep the momentum of the game on the right side. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.040 The three best Packers teams that I recall from the 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.040 recent memory here the ones i've covered two thousand and ten. 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.919 You're talking about commentary football. Those two sides of the 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.680 ball picked themselves up remarkably down on the stretch. Two 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.800 thousand twelve, it ended on a really sour note with 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.280 San Francisco, but that team played incredibly well throughout the 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.760 course of the season, especially late when the offense started 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.199 to figure out the two shells stuff, and when the defense, 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.639 people don't really remember much of it, but did really 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.200 you know, play well that season. And then the best 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.359 example in my lifetime here is two thousand fourteen because 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.159 once the defense turned a corner. After that, by the 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.840 offense was was we knew what the Packers had offensively 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.199 that season. When the defense turned the corner and started 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.240 playing up to that level, they were a team that 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.960 was a super Bowl caliber team that season. That's what 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.960 the that's the magic formula the Packers are looking to get. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.440 It's not easy to solve it. There are so many 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.800 moving parts on any given weeks, so many variables. But 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.639 when you do hit that sweet spot, that's when you 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.680 achieve great. Yeah, And that's where my question is. I 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.440 think the Packers are going to improve. I think they're 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.200 going to find their sweet spot. The question is when 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:09.879 you go on the road to the Rams, when you 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.639 go on the road to the Patriots, when you go 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.159 on the road to the Seahawks, is what they can find. 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:16.920 Is it going to be good enough? Because you can 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.280 go into venues like that against teams like that and 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.199 play really, really well and still come up short. And 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.000 that's what makes being two two and one against the 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.280 schedule the Packers have had thus far very frustrating, because 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.840 if the Packers beat San Francisco next Monday and get 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.600 to three two and one at the buy, I think 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.080 I think everybody looked at the first six games and 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.480