1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined by my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz. 3 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 4 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Field West. We're here to review the Packers twenty three 5 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: loss to the Detroit Lions at Ford Field on Sunday. 6 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: And I tell you what, just when you think the 7 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: Packers can't start games any worse than what happened against Chicago, 8 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: what happened against Washington, this one, quite quite frankly was worse. 9 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: Twenty four to nothing at halftime, UM mistakes just across 10 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: the board and a hole that was simply too deep 11 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: for the Packers to dig out of. This is probably 12 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: gonna go down, Michael. It's probably one of the more 13 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: bizarre games I've covered in terms of the Packers did 14 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: not punt in this game. Uh strangely enough, it actually 15 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: I was I was almost leaving the office last on 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: Sunday night, and I was like, you know what, I 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: don't think I saw J K. Scott out there at all. 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: But how it ends up working out is Mason Crosby 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: obviously had the foremass field goals two fumbles from Aaron 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: Rodgers in the first half that end up turning into 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: takeaways for Detroit. And then that first play where kind 22 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: of a controversial situation where Sam Martin's punt bounces and 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a discrepancy whether or not 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: it hit Kevin King or whether or not it hit 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: Um one of the Detroit defenders, and Miles Kilber. It 26 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: was and it was interesting. Afterwards. I asked Hermont Williams 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: about it. He said, the referees originally told the Packers 28 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: that it had hit Detroit first, but whatever conversation they 29 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: then had, they then decided that it was hitting the 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: Packers first. So then that goes to replay review in 31 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: New York and then there wasn't into disputable. Evin and 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: Troy gets the ball at the one yard line, a 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: one yard look Garrett Blunt carry later, the Packers are 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: already down seven to nothing. As william said, that isn't 35 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: ultimately what changed the outcome of this thing, but I 36 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: think it did kind of illustrate the situation the Packers 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: found themselves in three turnovers in the first half to 38 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: turn into Lions seventeen points and in another hole that 39 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 1: it was really too big to dig out of. Yeah. Well, 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: and this is my thing, and I don't want to perseverate, 41 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: as we like to say, too long about this opening 42 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: punt play. But to me, it didn't look like the 43 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: initial ruling was that it was Lion's ball. The officials 44 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: got together and talked about it and then said the 45 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: ruling was Lions ball. So then it went to replay 46 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: and that was the call in the field that then 47 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: would have to be overturned. Well, if the initial ruling 48 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: was Lion's ball, where was the official to throw the 49 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: little blue bean bag to say that I saw the 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: ball hit the packer guy? Because if the bean bag 51 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: comes out, then the packers know, oh well we better 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: fall on it because they're saying it's a live ball. 53 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: The packers were never given that indication. They were never 54 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: given at signal. So I think the whole thing was 55 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: botched by the officiating crew and the fact that then 56 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: the call on the field you needed the indisputable evidence 57 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: to overturn it. It just put the back packers in 58 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: a bad spot. But that being said, it was no 59 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: different than if the Lions had just driven down and 60 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: scored a touchdown on the opening drive. Of the game. 61 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: It's seven nothing, You're just five minutes into the game, 62 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: whatever it is at that point, and the Packers right 63 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: from the get go, West were moving the ball, and 64 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: the Lions consistently they moved the ball up and down 65 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: the field. In the first half, they couldn't finish drives 66 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: and couldn't make kicks, so you got no points when 67 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: you should have had six or nine or whatever the 68 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: case might have been. The second half, the Packers were 69 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: certainly finishing drives and getting in the end zone affair 70 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: amount of time, but you're just behind by so much. Yeah, 71 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: it was just it was it was insurmountable at that point. 72 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: And they've done some pretty remarkable things in terms of 73 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: these second half rallies and then trying to put themselves 74 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: back in a position to win the game. They did 75 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: it against Chicago in Week one, and as it turns out, 76 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: the Bears are the team actually leading the Vision now 77 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: at this point. But you look at your on the 78 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: road now you're in Ford Field. You and I heard 79 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: that crowd, and I said it last week. My whole 80 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: thought that has been at least during the Matthew staff 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: which I've been covering the team. If you allow the 82 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: if you allow the Lions to get off to a 83 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: fast start, that crowd is going to get into it 84 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be tough to battle back from that. 85 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: Now they they've done it. The hail mary, say you're 86 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: down twenty to nothing in and it took a fumble 87 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: recovery in the end zone and a hail mary to 88 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: get two of your touchdowns to come back and win. 89 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: And that's ultimately what some of the Packers defenders said 90 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: to after this game. Yeah, they only gave up two 91 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: and fifty three yards less than two h yards passing 92 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: in this one. If you take away the explosive to 93 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: Kenny Holiday Gala day, then it ends up being, you know, 94 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: almost closer to one thirty. But we don't live in 95 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: that world. The biggest thing that a lot of those 96 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: guys said is Detroit found ways to take away the football. 97 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: Whatever you're you know, form or thought is on that, 98 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: and the Packers just didn't do enough of that against 99 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. So it just seemed like at times and 100 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: the offense got rolling and they started to pick things up, 101 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: then maybe the defense just wasn't able to get the stop, 102 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: or when the defense got to stop the offense, wasn't 103 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: able to turn it into points and ultimately ends up 104 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: being a road loss in Detroit. Yeah, it was. It 105 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: was maybe one of the rougher days for special teams 106 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: for the Packers in a long time. And not just 107 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: the controversial play with Kevin King and the punt early 108 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: in the game, but penalty after penalty on special teams 109 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: that really affected field position. The only time the entire 110 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: game the Packers had any field position in their favor 111 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: was when the Lions missed the long field goal in 112 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: the second half and the Packers got the ball near 113 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: midfield there after Prators missed. Otherwise, because of the penalties 114 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: and special teams mistakes, the Packers were starting on their 115 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: own twelve fifteen yard line. It seemed like every single 116 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: drive and that's again where you get to. Okay, so 117 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: Mason Crosby has a forty some yard field goal, Well, 118 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: if that drive had started fifteen ten or fifteen yards 119 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: further out, maybe that's a chip shot field goal, or 120 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: maybe you are in the red zone with a chance 121 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: to finish the drive for a touchdown. So the field position, 122 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: I thought played into this game considerably. And obviously you 123 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: mentioned the turnovers. Both of the Packers turnovers in their 124 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: own territory set up short fields for the Lions to 125 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: get ten fairly easy points, and then the one on 126 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: the one yard line after the controversial punt play seventeen points. 127 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: The Lions scored with thirty one yards of offense. You 128 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: can't you can't gift wrap a game any better than that, No, 129 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: you really can. And I also thought it was interesting. 130 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: Davante Adams touched on this after the game as well. 131 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: Looking back, you mentioned some of the chip shot, not 132 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: chip shot, but some of the field goals that Crosby 133 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: missed from thirty Yeah, at Adams put it perfectly, I 134 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: thought in saying that, you know, in the world, you know, 135 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: we want to make sure that Mason Crosby doesn't have 136 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: to kick field goals. We want to make sure that 137 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: we're able to punch these things in. The Packers just 138 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: consistently have been able to do that enough. They've they've 139 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: been able to make drives, have been able to get 140 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: within field goal range, but they haven't been able to 141 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: finish them. And then you even look back to the 142 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: thirty eight yard one miss, Well, then that comes after 143 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: an intentional grounding a call that gave up sixteen yards. 144 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: So it's little things like that that can ultimately compounded 145 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: a bigger issues. And and yeah, and then you know, 146 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: time Montgomery has a big kickoff return, a holding call 147 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: brings that back that looked like it was away from 148 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: the ball. So it's just it's things like that where 149 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: it's just you know, I don't want to say it's 150 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: it's shooting yourself in the foot, but but it is. 151 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: It is. You know, it's it's self inflicted wounds. It's 152 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: things that are completely avoidable that are impacting the game. 153 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: And uh, and the Packers just have to start cleaning 154 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: it up. Yeah. And the devastating thing about it is, 155 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you and I talked about this before we 156 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: started the show today. It's covering up a lot of 157 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: really good performances too. And I mentioned, you know, Davonte 158 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: Adams off to the best start of his career right now, 159 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: thirty seven catches through five games. I think so much 160 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: for that bad calf he played he played yesterday, I mean, 161 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: he was It's too bad he wasn't able to haul 162 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: in that one by the goal line that might have 163 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: been able to flip the game in the fourth quarter. 164 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: But but other than that, boy he was he was 165 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: specially yes, yeah, hundred forty receiving yards had a touchdown 166 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: his end consecutive touchdown in a road game, which is 167 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: just crazy that that it's worked out that way for him. 168 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: I think Blake Martinez is off to a really good 169 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: start to this season. He got his first two sack 170 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: game in this Kenny Clark continues to do work these 171 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: defensive snaps. But when you have individual performances standing out, 172 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: there's always the other side of that too, in terms 173 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: of just not being able to lift up at the 174 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: right times, and I think for the Packers, they're still 175 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: trying to figure that out. Trumant Williams said it afterwards too, 176 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: to two in one right now, he doesn't really know 177 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: what kind of team they have at this point. There's 178 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: still a lot that the Packers have to discover about themselves. 179 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: And I think ultimately it comes back to consistency and 180 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: all three phases. It wasn't like it was one particular 181 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: phase of this game that let the Packers down. It 182 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: was just inconsistency in all three phases that gave Detroit 183 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: enough wiggle wiggle room to be able to hold onto 184 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: that lead in the second half. Yeah, there's certainly plenty 185 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: of blame to go around in this one. In terms 186 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: of the Packers taking this loss, I will say this 187 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: about the defense, and I don't mean to oversimplify things 188 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: too much, but I did mention seventeen points on thirty 189 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: one yard. But that being said, I really thought the 190 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: defense had three bad plays in my opinion. Now this 191 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: is not including the penalties. There were a couple of 192 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: personal foul penalties on the defense that were inexcusable in 193 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: my mind, and the Packers definitely have to avoid those 194 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: and clean those up. But in terms of the action 195 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: on the field, I thought the defense had three bad plays. 196 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: The sixty yard one over the top to Golladay. Josh 197 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: Jackson's in the right position, and we've seen it too 198 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: many times this year West where the defensive backs are 199 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: in position, but they're not making the right play on 200 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: the ball and it's leading to a big play for 201 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: the other team. Then at the end of the first half, 202 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: Marvin Jones Jr. Ends up being wide open across the 203 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: middle in the back of the end zone when the 204 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: defense had a chance to hold them to a field goal. 205 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: And then it's only twenty to nothing at halftime instead 206 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: of twenty four. That was a coverage bust. And then 207 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: late in the game in the fourth quarter, again the 208 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: Lions are driving, but the Packers have a chance to 209 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: hold him to a field goal and still have a 210 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: chance and carry on John's and takes a handoff around 211 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: left end, is completely untouched. Nobody sets the edge. I 212 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: don't know whose responsibility it was. There were some different 213 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: things going on in terms of who was crashing inside 214 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: and this and that. But he goes around the left 215 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: side completely untouched and ends up going twenty four yards 216 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: down the field out of bounds and uh and it 217 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: sets up another Lion's touchdown. Those were the three plays 218 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: that I thought were the real black marks for the defense. 219 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: Other than that, you know, quite frankly, with Aaron Rodgers 220 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: and Davante Adams playing the way they were, the defense 221 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: played well enough to win this game, but the offense 222 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: was only there for really one half of football, and 223 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: the special teams just didn't help all day long. Yeah, 224 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: and and ultimately you're the result is going to be 225 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: a game in which the Packers almost doubled up Detroit 226 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: in total yards to five to two. D sixty four. 227 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: Packer's own time of possession this game and in really 228 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: every category beat the Lions. Unfortunately for them, it comes 229 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: back to the takeaways. It comes back to giving them 230 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: the field position that they did. Detroit's average studying field 231 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: position this game was their their own forty it's own 232 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: forty six yard line. Yeah, you just can't do that 233 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: and expect to win. And in for the Packers, there's 234 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: a lot to learn from, there's a lot to clean up, 235 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: and you know, it's gonna be interesting to see now 236 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: they go up against the San Francisco team that's kind 237 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: of really in on its heels, reeling since the loss 238 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: of Jimmy Garoppolo next Monday night. Packers have to I 239 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: don't want to say flush, but they gotta learn from 240 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: this quickly, turn it around, get a big win here 241 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field, and then head into that bye week. Yeah, 242 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: and here's the thing, West, I know the fans are 243 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: frustrated and five games into the season, you know, everybody's 244 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: wondering about the big picture and just what's going on here. 245 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: First of all, as you said, it's all about the 246 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty niners. You have your bye week, after that, 247 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: you have to win that game, get to three two 248 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: and one at the bye, use the rest to get 249 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: healthy and get ready to go. Here's the thing I'll 250 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: say about the big picture. I remember you and I 251 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: sitting here in doing this show during the four game 252 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: losing streak in November, when the Packers dropped to four 253 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: and six, and I said a couple of different times, 254 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: I felt the Packers they were going they were going 255 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: to figure it out, they were going to start to 256 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: play better. I just didn't know if they would do 257 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: it in time. Well, it turned out they did it 258 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: just in time to be able to run the table, 259 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: get in the playoffs, and ultimately get all the way 260 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: to the NFC Championship game. What I'm gonna say this time, 261 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: I believe this Packers team is going to play better. 262 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: They have more talent on the field than what the 263 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: results are showing right now. Here's the thing, though, You 264 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: look at these first two road games Washington in Detroit, 265 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: the the six road games the Packers have left. In 266 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: my opinion, Rams, Patriots, Vikings, Bears, Jets, and Seahawks. I 267 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: think all six of those teams are better than the 268 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: two road teams the Packers have played so far just 269 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: my opinion. So I think this Packers team is going 270 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: to play better. The thing is, the jump they have 271 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: to make now heading into the rest of the season 272 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: is larger than we thought it would be because we 273 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: didn't think they'd be to two in one right now, 274 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: and it needs to be larger than we thought because 275 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: the opponents, especially on the road, are going to get tougher. Yeah, 276 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be playing some tough venues. When you 277 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: look at Seattle, regardless of where they stand this year 278 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: and the issues that they're having, they're difficult to play 279 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 1: in Central Link. Just as Jared goff with with how 280 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: close that game was down to the wire. A lot 281 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: of things for the Packers to figure out from that regard. 282 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: But going back to somebody again that Davante Adams said 283 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: after the game, looking speaking just specifically on the offense, 284 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: he said, you know, we've shown we can score points, 285 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: We've shown we can move the ball. That production has 286 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: been there. But I just think the interesting thing the 287 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: Packers this year, the hundred season, this particular team is 288 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: having a hard time sort of solving, is that can 289 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: they get the defense and offense to play a complete 290 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: game at the same time and not to have a 291 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: let up where the offense starts slow and the defense 292 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: starts faster or vice versa. To be able to get 293 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: out and you really set the tone right from the beginning, 294 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: and you know, you look at where the Packers are 295 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: are in in you know, we're a weak removed from 296 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: talking about a twenty two to nothing shut out, and 297 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: it's just it, it's so it's so weak to week 298 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: you have to be able to move on beyond it. 299 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: You also have to learn from it. And I just 300 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: think with being able to see from the very least Marcoisvelde, 301 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: Scantling and Economius st Brown stepping up the way they did, 302 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: I think it end up being what it was a 303 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: hundred some yards that they ended up being able to 304 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: contribute together Hu a touchdown mvs getting his first NFL 305 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: TV and almost two for him in that game, despite 306 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: not having Geronimo Allison and Randall Cobb. You're seeing the 307 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: spark that Aaron Jones can give you. With the offense, 308 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: I think the offensive line has had done a pretty 309 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: fairly nice job of being able to really roll with 310 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: the punches here earlier in the season. So all the 311 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: components are there. Jimmy Graham had five catches for seventy 312 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: one yards. All the components are there, but it's getting 313 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: all of them to fire at the same time on 314 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: all cylinders. And defensively, I think the biggest thing for 315 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: this defense right now is just being able to generate 316 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: consistent pressure. They didn't have a sack from the four 317 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: outside linebackers in this game. They need to be able 318 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: to find a way to get going. Because I'll be 319 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: honest with you, Mike, the fact that the Packers were 320 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: able to hold Matthew Stafford under two yards of passing 321 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: in this game, regardless of what the field position was, 322 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: despite the fact that Tony Brown, who was just promoted 323 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: from the practice squad, had to basically play on the 324 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: boundary at the end of the game after Kevin King 325 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: got his his chin cut. Yeah, the Packers were really 326 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: reeling in that secondary. And and this is where depending 327 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: on how things shuffle out here, and you assume that 328 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: King hopefully will be fine here after some stitches, but 329 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, maybe getting Jaire Alexander back that the pieces 330 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: are there on both sides of the ball, it's just 331 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: a matter now the execution and we hear that e 332 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: word every single week, but it's so true. You have 333 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: to execute. Yeah. Well, the phrase that Mike McCarthy is 334 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: used in the past, we haven't heard him say it yet, 335 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: maybe he'll say it today or at some point here, 336 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: but he likes to use the phrase complimentary football. And 337 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: what he means by that is exactly what you're talking about. 338 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: It's where the offense does something good and then the 339 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: defense builds on it. The defense does something good and 340 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: the offense takes advantage of it, and that's how you 341 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: build momentum, you take control of a game. And that's 342 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: not saying you're jumping out to nothing on somebody like 343 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: the Lions did, but it's not putting yourself in a 344 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: position where basically, I mean, what is this West maybe 345 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: the maybe the third time, this is probably the third 346 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: time this year. You look at the Bears game, the 347 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: Washington game, and this game where the deficit is such 348 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: that that Mike McCarthy said to just toss the game 349 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: plan and the garbage at halftime. Game plans are built. 350 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: You're trying to do certain things in the first half 351 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: to then set up some things in the second half. 352 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: You know, all there's a lot of thought that goes 353 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: into these but you get into these three and four 354 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: score deficits, and it it doesn't matter what you plan 355 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: during the week. It's just like, all right, well, you know, 356 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta go here, and we've we've got 357 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: to score, We've got to score quickly. We got to 358 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: get the ball back. It all becomes focused on that, 359 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: not about using this play to set up that one 360 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: and and all those things, all that work that goes 361 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: into the into the week. So the Packers need to 362 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: The Packers need to find a way for when one 363 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: phase of their team does something good that then the 364 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: next one that takes the field capitalizes on it and 365 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: does something to keep to keep control of the game, 366 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: to keep the momentum of the game on the right side. 367 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: The three best Packers teams that I recall from the 368 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: recent memory here the ones i've covered two thousand and ten. 369 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: You're talking about commentary football. Those two sides of the 370 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: ball picked themselves up remarkably down on the stretch. Two 371 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: thousand twelve, it ended on a really sour note with 372 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco, but that team played incredibly well throughout the 373 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: course of the season, especially late when the offense started 374 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: to figure out the two shells stuff, and when the defense, 375 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: people don't really remember much of it, but did really 376 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, play well that season. And then the best 377 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: example in my lifetime here is two thousand fourteen because 378 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: once the defense turned a corner. After that, by the 379 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: offense was was we knew what the Packers had offensively 380 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: that season. When the defense turned the corner and started 381 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: playing up to that level, they were a team that 382 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: was a super Bowl caliber team that season. That's what 383 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: the that's the magic formula the Packers are looking to get. 384 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: It's not easy to solve it. There are so many 385 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: moving parts on any given weeks, so many variables. But 386 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: when you do hit that sweet spot, that's when you 387 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: achieve great. Yeah, And that's where my question is. I 388 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: think the Packers are going to improve. I think they're 389 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: going to find their sweet spot. The question is when 390 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: you go on the road to the Rams, when you 391 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: go on the road to the Patriots, when you go 392 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: on the road to the Seahawks, is what they can find. 393 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: Is it going to be good enough? Because you can 394 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: go into venues like that against teams like that and 395 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: play really, really well and still come up short. And 396 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: that's what makes being two two and one against the 397 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: schedule the Packers have had thus far very frustrating, because 398 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: if the Packers beat San Francisco next Monday and get 399 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: to three two and one at the buy, I think 400 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: I think everybody looked at the first six games and 401 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: the opponents you're playing, and certainly with the forty Niners 402 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: losing Garoppolo along the way, I think you were looking 403 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: and hoping to be better than three two and one 404 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: at the bye week. But right now, that's the reality 405 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: you live in. You have to get there. You have 406 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: to use the bye week to get healthy and then 407 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: ramp up your game because your schedule is that you're 408 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: hitting the meat of the schedule absolutely, and it's gonna 409 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: be a tough stretch with those road matchups too. But 410 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: the one thing just to close on, the Packers are 411 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: not the only team going through this right now. You 412 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: look at Atlanta is now one in four. The Eagles 413 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: in that game that we talked about, either the Eagles 414 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: or Vikings, we have to look themselves in the mirror 415 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: and ends up being the Eagles losing a close swamp. 416 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: They've got three losses thereofending champs two and three. Dallas 417 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: had so many high hopes for this year. They're two 418 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: in three, you know, And it's just that's the way 419 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: this game works. It humbles you. And and as as 420 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: Trumont Williams said in regards to the Mason Crosby misses, 421 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: it humbles you even when you maybe don't have to 422 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: be humble. It's just the nature of the game, by 423 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: the way, phenomenal and just trying to see now where 424 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: it is. It's four quarters of football, and you can 425 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: pick yourself up and you can make a run in 426 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: any of those quarters. But the teams that do it 427 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: consistently throughout the course of this season, that's how you 428 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: get home field advantage. That's how you build momentum, that's 429 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: how you win a Super Bowl. Well, the first jump 430 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: the Packers have to make is against the San Francisco 431 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: forty niners seven days from now. Then you have to 432 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: make another jump after the bye week. We'll see if 433 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: they can do it. You know, they're going to put 434 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: in the wor work to get the job done. So 435 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: here we go with that. We'll call it a wrap 436 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers on Scripted. Be sure to 437 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage of the team on packers 438 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: dot com. On Twitter, He's at west Hot I'm at 439 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks for 440 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: tuning in, everybody, See you next time.