1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome stuff. I 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: never told you, but actually I heart rate you. And 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: it is time for another edition of Female First, which 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: means we are once again joined by the resilience the 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: definitely not probably not a zombie thieves. 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: Welcome, Thank you. 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 3: I do not wish to be a zombie, so I. 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 4: Do not wish. 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 3: I just want everybody to know that I don't want 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: that for myself. 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: That's a fair caveat. We should probably explain you have 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: been feeling ill for a little bit, right, yes, yes, 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: And we were discussing before and there are just some 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: things that my horror movie Braid was like, this sounds 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: a little like zombie. 16 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: Yes, And I was trying to reassure Annie that I'm 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: not a zombie. I'm not like infected by any spores, 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 3: because I know that I got whatever illness that I 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 3: had from the cleaning I was doing in the dust 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: that was kicked up from that cleaning, and. 21 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 4: My body was trying to expel it. 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: I was pretty sick, had to fever all kinds of 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: symptoms for a week, and it really took me out. 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: But like I'm here now, I feel fully alive. 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: I feel like, I'm not. 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: Going to try to like eat anybody. You know, I'm 27 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: not going to attack anybody. I don't have any of 28 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 3: those feelings right now. I don't feel inherently changed, you know. 29 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like I would say that 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 4: if I was a zombie. 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: But at the same time, I'm I'm I'm all here, 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: So I think we're okay. 33 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 5: Thus far, you're all here. I will say, maybe you 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 5: just allergic to cleaning. Just say it. 35 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that sounds like such a like you're. 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: Trying to get somebody to clean and they're like, oh, 37 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm allergic. 38 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: I can't do that. 39 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,399 Speaker 3: But you know, there are so many different allergies, many 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 3: of them surprising and like necessary to like things people 41 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: are allergic to that seem like they would be necessary 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: to functioning in. 43 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 4: Life, and I like, I it probably exists. 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: Like I don't want to say that that doesn't exist, 45 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: because I know for my thing I was, I. 46 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 4: Was quote unquote allergic to exercise. 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: That's like why I would start itching when I would 48 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: have exercise induced art carria. 49 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 4: I mean, so I don't know. 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: That's true though, right because some people get the I mean, 51 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: there's asthma, but also like sweat and you itch and 52 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: stuff like that. 53 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I did that one time. My face blew up. 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 5: My roommate got real scared. She's like, I gotta, I 55 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 5: gotta get you some bena drill. I was like, yeah, 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 5: you gotta give you some benda drill. 57 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: Benadrill. I once at a very very severe. 58 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: Allergic reaction, and through a comedy of errors that could 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: have gone really terribly, I couldn't get to a doctor, 60 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: and uh, I just took some vinadryl and I was like. 61 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: Hopefully this doesn't and it did. So now Vinadil is 62 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 2: a thing that I always carry. 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 4: With It does help. It does help. Are good reminders 64 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 4: of how fragile we are as humans. 65 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, hey, can't handle a little pollen? 66 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: Just a reminder it's everywhere. 67 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: No, it's like completely necessary to the sustenance of life. 68 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 4: But can it kill you? 69 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: Maybe that's. 70 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: That's the fun and misery of it all. 71 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: Well, have you been up to anything other than being 72 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: sick since we last spoke? 73 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: Oh, since we last spoke, I believe so. I'm really 74 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: trying to remember it because we're in May now. I 75 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: think the last time we spoke that was after I 76 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: went to Guatemala. I think I have been I've been 77 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: kind of chill since then. 78 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 4: I have really been about staying. 79 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: In place and I like have been just like with 80 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: my head down working. So I don't really think there 81 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: are many updates since. 82 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 4: The last time we spoke. 83 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like you could have a hole. Where 84 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: in the world is ease, Like I never know what 85 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna say when we asked this, so it's great. 86 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I need I needed to stay. I need 87 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: to keep my feet on solid ground for a second, 88 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: and I still do. And I have some travel coming up, 89 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: and I'm like, like this week, next week, a lot 90 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: of travel. I just I signed myself up for more travel. 91 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: I just got where today. There is a lottery for 92 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: seeing synchronized fireflies in the Great Smoking Mollins, and I 93 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: got got into the lottery, so I finally get to 94 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: see them after wanting to see them at a different 95 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: national park for a minute that I always forget the 96 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: lottery for every year, and I'm like, dang it, I 97 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: always miss it, and I missed it again this year 98 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: after setting a reminder. But then I was like, I 99 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 3: could just do it in a smoking mountains. I realized that. 100 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, but like I keep this, this month is 101 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: very like jam packed of like family obligations, graduation things 102 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: like that. So I've been really feeling like I need 103 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: to stay here and when I do go away, it's 104 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: got to be for a little bit of a time, 105 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 3: a little bit of time, because I'm about to like 106 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: be gone for a little bit in June. 107 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: Well, congratulations, that's awesome. 108 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 4: I'm jealous. 109 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 5: I forgot about that because I had a really good 110 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 5: friend who was a hiking enthusiast and love to do 111 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 5: camping and hikes, and they're like, we have to come back. 112 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 5: You will love. 113 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: This is magical. 114 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 5: Man. 115 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna I can't wait to hear about it. 116 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be like a Miyazaki movie, is kind 117 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: of what I'm imagining. I don't know, but yeah, I'm 118 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 3: excited that I finally remembered because I was always I 119 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: would try to sign up for the one in Congree 120 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 3: in South Carolina. That's the National park in South Carolina, 121 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 3: and they have it there as well, but it was 122 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: just before the one in the Great Smoking Mountains, and 123 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: I was right on time and remembering, So I got 124 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: to sign up for the lottery unfortunately got in, So. 125 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so cool. 126 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 3: And also, if anybody else listening knows about any sort 127 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 3: of like specific natural phenomenon that only happens ever so 128 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: often in like whatever landscape terrain where you are, please 129 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: let me know, because I'm trying to find more things 130 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 3: like this and it's kind of hard to google. I 131 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: tried to google it, but the Internet has no idea 132 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: what my request is. 133 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 5: So I'm gonna say, I guess I'm like videos from 134 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 5: my fyp or TikTok and such, but it's always like 135 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 5: a week after it. I was like, well, damn, yeah 136 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 5: that happened. 137 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 3: Y's unfortunately what happens to me. It's like you're not 138 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 3: working algorithm. 139 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 4: Right, like this this is not the way works, right. 140 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: You have bought us quite a wide ranging story today, 141 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: So who are we talking about today, Eaves? 142 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: Today we're talking about Harriet Shelton Dover. And I actually 143 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: this was born from travel because I was looking for 144 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: people in Washington and the n the Seattle area, and 145 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: I also wanted to talk about more indigenous people in 146 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: these female first episodes, so like it really worked out well, 147 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: but this actually was born of travel, So yeah, we're 148 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: talking about Harriet Shelton Dover today and she was the 149 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: first woman chair of the tu Lalap Tribes Board of Directors. 150 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: And also in Harriet's autobiography, she also says that she 151 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: thinks that what she wrote was the first history of 152 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 3: tu Lalap written by a t Lalup Indian. So that 153 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: is another first that she said that she had. And 154 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: I said Indian because she preferred to use the terms 155 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: Indian and American Indian throughout the episode. Whenever that comes up, 156 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: I'll probably say Native American or Indigenous people or something 157 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: like that. But Harriet herself did prefer to use those terms. 158 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: And she she did all kinds of stuff. She really 159 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: really I was reading, like whoa, and so now we're 160 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: over here. Now we're over here, so let's get into it, Eves. 161 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: Can I start with the history? 162 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So Harriet was born on November nineteenth, nineteen oh 163 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: four to William Shelton and Rusi Home. They were from 164 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: different tribes, but Harriet herself was born on the Tulalp 165 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: Reservation at Mission Beach in Tulaylp Bay and that's near Marysville, Washington. 166 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: So the Tulalip Tribes are a confederation that includes Snowhomish, 167 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: sky Comish, snowcall Me and Minnie, other tribes that were 168 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: successors to the ones that signed the Treaty of Point 169 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: Elliott in eighteen fifty five. So her dad was also 170 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: the last hereditary Snahomish tribal chief in Tulaylup. He worked 171 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: at the local mill and as a general mechanic, but 172 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 3: he was also just a very important person. 173 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 4: And did lots of community work. 174 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: Harriet was the youngest of six children, and she said 175 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: that her home as a child was a three roomhouse 176 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: that her father called a cottage, and it was on 177 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: the old tu Laylap Mission school grounds, so her father 178 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: had a history going to the mission school, but once 179 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: once Harriet was in the picture, the school was no 180 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: longer in existence. Harriet mostly spoke the Snahomish dialect of 181 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: the Coast Salish language. In her younger years, as a child, 182 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 3: she would collect firewood, pick bear. She learned to do 183 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 3: things that her family taught her how to do that 184 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: were traditional, like she learned to smoke salmon, and she 185 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: was baptized as a Catholic, but Native Americans couldn't go 186 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: to public schools and her dad didn't want her to 187 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 3: go to the mission school, so Harriet ended up going 188 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: to the Reservations government run to Leila boarding School when 189 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 3: she was seven years old. And there is a lot 190 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: that's said about her experiences at the boarding school. 191 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 4: She talks about it in her autobiography. 192 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: It was standard that like all the students were assigned 193 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: in ID number Harriet's was thirty three. They wore uniforms. 194 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: They started the day with the roll call and exercise 195 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: and ended at nine pm sharp. They would have like 196 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 3: inspections on Saturdays. They couldn't speak their native languages at 197 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: the boarding school. And I was watching there is a 198 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: short documentary about Harriet, and there's a clip in there 199 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: of her of an interview with Harriet, and she is 200 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 3: talking about an experience that she had when she was 201 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 3: nine years old and a friend and her were speaking 202 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: in her native language and they got in trouble for it, 203 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: so they were like whispering to each other. They were 204 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: overheard and she was beaten from her neck to her ankles, 205 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: So the back of her neck to her ankles is 206 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: how they describe it. 207 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 4: So she was hit pretty hard. 208 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: It was described that like in her tribal culture, it 209 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: wasn't the case that the kids were like punished in ways. 210 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: There wasn't There wasn't really physical punishment. There were no 211 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: beatings as part of punishment and raising a child and 212 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: disciplining them. But it was in her school, and she 213 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: seems to have been very affected by that beating, like 214 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: she says she remembers it to that day and said 215 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: that she was really hurt by it to that day. 216 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: So it definitely affected her. But I would imagine more 217 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: so because it was because she was speaking her language, 218 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: and the way she described it was like I love 219 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: the language it was, it sounded great. I wanted to 220 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: speak it with her at that time, And it was 221 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 3: for that simple fact that they were beat for it. 222 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: But in February of nineteen seventeen, Harriet's sister Ruth was 223 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: sent home because she was sick. Harriet soon also got 224 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: sick and was sent home. Ruth unfortunately died of tuberculosis 225 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: in May. Harriet got better, but she ended up kind 226 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: of lagging on her education. She finished at the boarding 227 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: school in nineteen twenty two. When she got out of 228 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: the boarding school, she says in her autobiography, she was 229 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: like she swore she was never going back to church 230 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: again because she had been in church all the time 231 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: and was praying all the time. Her mother was pretty devout, 232 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: and she was disappointed because you know, her mother was 233 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: in church every Sunday, and Harriet was like, I'm not 234 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 3: doing that again. But Harriet did say that there was 235 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on the Native Americans from the Christians. 236 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 3: This is a quote from her autobiography. Harriet said, those poor, 237 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: misguided people, they were bound and determined to save all 238 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: of our miserable souls. If people have heard anything about 239 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: this time period and about how Native Americans were treated 240 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: by white folks and by Christians, it was a lot 241 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: of talk and action of trying to civilize people in 242 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: Native American tribes, trying to get them to assimilate, punishing 243 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 3: them for taking part in their traditional culture, in their religions, 244 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: in their language, in the clothing that they were wearing, 245 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: in actions that they were taking, like what they did 246 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: as far as lifestyle, making them farmers, things like that. 247 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 4: There was a lot of. 248 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: Doing their best to do in harmful ways separate them 249 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: from all aspects of their traditional identities. So that was 250 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: part of that. And Harriet briefly talked about that from 251 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 3: a religious perspective in her autobiography. But Harriet did end 252 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: up graduating from Everett High School in nineteen twenty six, 253 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,479 Speaker 3: and she said that high school was a better experience 254 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: than boarding school was. She didn't care for the boarding 255 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: school experience that much, but it was definitely formative, a 256 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: formative time for her. So Harriet had dreams of going 257 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: to college, but she didn't end up going to college 258 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: at this time. Okay, that's a little bit of foreshadowing. 259 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: So she was involved in her community though, as we 260 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: said earlier, her father was also very involved in the community. 261 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: By nineteen twenty three, her brother Robert was working with 262 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 3: the to lay Up Improvement Club and he was preparing 263 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: claims and complaints against the government about fraudulent sales of 264 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: native land. There are lots of fishing rights and lack 265 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: of medical care. And Harriet would type up the testimonies 266 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: of elderly natives and she recorded meeting minutes. So she 267 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: was already working as this kind of to Laylup historian, 268 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: gathering stories, documenting people's stories. In nineteen twenty six, she 269 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: met Francis aka Frank Williams at a dance event in Seattle. Now, 270 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 3: Harriet's mom was a little concerned that Harriet didn't know 271 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: him well enough, but the two of them, Frank and 272 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: Harriet still got married in July nineteen twenty six. Only 273 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: Francis's cousin was a witness. 274 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: For their marriage. 275 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: Harriet's parents were not there, but they still moved into 276 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: an apartment together, and later in nineteen twenty eight, they 277 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: had a son together named Wayne Williams. But it didn't 278 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 3: seem like she had the best experience in their marriage. 279 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 4: She was. 280 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: Described as being lonely, homesick. Sometimes Frank would send money 281 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: to his mother, but it didn't seem. 282 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,119 Speaker 4: Like Harriet was always so supported. 283 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: He had a temper apparently didn't always trust her while 284 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: he was away working. But their marriage was strained, is 285 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: what it came down to. They didn't end up divorcing 286 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: at this time, but they did divorce many years later. 287 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: When Harriet's brother died in nineteen thirty, suddenly the Snahomis 288 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: tribe voted Harriet in to replace him as secretary. Eventually 289 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: the org became the Northwest Federation of American Indians. Then 290 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: it was the Tu Layla Tribal Council, and that Council 291 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: focused on bettering Native environments and welfare, and at that 292 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: point it had five members, but then it evolved to 293 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: become the Board of Directors and it had seven members. 294 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 4: But yeah, so Frank. 295 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: Before they ended up getting divorce, Frank had gotten a 296 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: job with the Washington State Ferry System, but then he 297 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 3: ended up getting laid off. Technology was changing, the old 298 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 3: steamships were being phased out, and Harriet ended up moving 299 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: back in with her parents. So all the while, Harriet 300 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: is working different jobs, and eventually she was elected to 301 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 3: serve on the Tulalup Tribe's Board of Directors. So she 302 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: served on the board from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen 303 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 3: forty two, then nineteen forty four to nineteen forty six, 304 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: and later nineteen five to nineteen fifty one. But yeah, 305 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: so Harriet's also working. She's working different jobs over the 306 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: course of this year. So she was at a job 307 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: at a restaurant in Seattle that was called Twin Tpe's, 308 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: which had a lot of like cheesy Native American themed decor. 309 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: In September of nineteen forty two to around nineteen forty five, 310 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: she was working a job at the Boeing plant in Seattle, 311 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: but she also served as the chair on the board 312 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 3: of directors for a year in about nineteen forty five 313 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 3: or nineteen forty six, and this is her first and 314 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: made her the first Native American woman. 315 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 4: To be in that position. 316 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 3: She was also working at a post office on the reservation. 317 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: By nineteen forty nine she was and this is where 318 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 3: she met a man named Joe George Dover, because he 319 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 3: would come by to pick up mail for his family members, 320 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: and once again Harriet's family members didn't really approve of George, 321 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 3: but she still married him. 322 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 4: In nineteen fifty. 323 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 3: They had a son named William Dover and they stayed 324 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 3: married until George's death in nineteen sixty nine. So she 325 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: Harriet did a lot. So she also served as a 326 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 3: tribal judge. Nineteen fifty one, she served on the Marysville 327 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: School Board. She was also a teacher's aide and electoral 328 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 3: Native American culture so she would go to different classrooms 329 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 3: and talk about her culture and bring some of her 330 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: artifacts along with her. She was the first pta president 331 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: at Talala Elementary School after it opened thanks to her 332 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: donating some of her own land. She was also a 333 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: member of the Seattle Historical Society, and she gave testimony 334 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 3: for United States versus Washington Phase one in nineteen seventy three, 335 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 3: which was a salmon fishing rights case. And so one notable, 336 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of stuff is notable about her legacy, 337 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: but one really big thing that she did was the 338 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 3: salmon ceremony that they held there in their tribe was outlawed, 339 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 3: but Harriet was involved in bringing back the tradition. 340 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 4: So in nineteen seventy Harriet. 341 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: And a group of other people gathered to talk about 342 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 3: the salmon ceremony and bringing it back. They met for 343 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 3: several weeks, so Harriet herself hadn't been at it and 344 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: put on a salmon ceremony before, but as the group 345 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 3: of people, they were collectively gathering information that they had, 346 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 3: so what they remembered growing up, what they knew of 347 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: and heard of their family doing, they would get together 348 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: and talk about it. They ended up finalizing the run 349 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 3: of ceremony based on what they could remember their families 350 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 3: would do. And then Harriet went to a board of 351 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: directors meeting and the board said that they would appropriate 352 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 3: some money for the ceremony. Said it was basically like 353 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 3: she was like, okay, it's official. Now, this must happen. 354 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: Harriet and the other planners determined that they would hold 355 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 3: the ceremony in June when it was high tide, and 356 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: they did so. She was instrumental in bringing the salmon 357 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: ceremony back. In her autobiography, it was mentioned that Harriet 358 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 3: didn't really want to include her role in bringing the 359 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 3: salmon ceremony back, and that was because she didn't want 360 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 3: to sound like she. 361 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 4: Was gloating about it. 362 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: It seemed like she was pretty she was pretty reserved 363 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 3: about certain things, or like to be modest about certain things. 364 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: Because it's also mentioned in her autobiography that like she 365 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: preferred to speak in the passive voice rather than the 366 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: active voice. So in general, her speaking her own tribal 367 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: language was a big part of how she saw the world. 368 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: She cared about it a lot, and it was instrumental 369 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 3: at understanding how she interacted with people and communicate it 370 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: with people. So like, the way that she would prefer 371 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: to speak was in passive voice because active voice felt 372 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: a little bit to direct for her, and that was 373 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: something that was taken into consideration as they were figuring 374 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 3: out how to put the autobiography together. But anyway, we'll 375 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 3: come back to the autobiography in just a moment. But 376 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy six, Harriett ended up going to Everett 377 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 3: Community College, And at first she was like, it's been 378 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: a long time since I've been in school. It's been 379 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 3: like fifty years, Like I can go back to college. 380 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: Do I want to go back to college? But she 381 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 3: did end up going back for a few reasons. At 382 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 3: this point, tribal members could enroll at the local community 383 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 3: college and be funded by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. 384 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: The federal government could no longer keep tribal members from 385 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: getting an education at these colleges due to change in 386 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: the relocation and termination programs, and Harriet wanted to be 387 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 3: a role modeled to. 388 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 4: Young folks in this regard. 389 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 3: And she also wanted more education so that she would 390 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 3: be able to write a history of the Tlala Reservation. 391 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 3: So she majored in anthropology and history, and she took 392 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: classes with Darlene Fitzpatrick. They ended up developing a friendship 393 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: and Darlene helped Harriet in the recording, editing, organizing the 394 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 3: narratives for her life for the autobiography. So Darlene also 395 00:23:55,119 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: is talks about Harriet in the autobiography if you read it, 396 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: but Yeah. Harriet graduated with her associates degree in nineteen 397 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 3: seventy eight and she was on the council for about 398 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 3: fourteen years. Over the years, she also worked as a 399 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 3: domestic servant for families. She would also speak with people 400 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: on other reservations about how their lives were and how 401 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 3: they were changed after the treaties were signed. She collected 402 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 3: materials about Tulayla history and she did research and she 403 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: began working on the manuscript for the book around nineteen 404 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 3: eighty one, and they were taping her narratives for a 405 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 3: couple of years. And in her later life, Harriet spent 406 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 3: time teaching other people her language, Lashutsi, and she did 407 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: a catered a lot of her time to going out 408 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: in the community and making sure that her language and 409 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: cultural history were preserved. She did end up getting breast 410 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 3: cancer and she died when she was eighty six years 411 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: old in February of nineteen ninety one. So many of 412 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 3: the Shelton family's artifacts are at the Hebub Cultural Center, 413 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 3: and Harriet's life is documented in the book To Lay 414 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 3: Up from My Heart, an autobiographical account of a reservation community. Yeah, 415 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: it's work. It's a book that was published after she 416 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: passed away, but it was also in her own words 417 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 3: because she was able to document that and record it 418 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 3: before she passed away, So it seems to be like 419 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: it's a real treasure. As I said at the beginning 420 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 3: of the episode, she said that it was, you know, 421 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 3: the only one written by like the other accounts of 422 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: t Laylap were written by white people basically, so she 423 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 3: said that it was the first history of to Lalap 424 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 3: written by a t Lalem Indian. So definitely worth reading 425 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: and an amazing thing to have because it's like clear 426 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 3: how much love and thoughtfulness was put into the autobiography, 427 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: even down to the way that they like the syntax 428 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: of it, in the way that they structured sentences because 429 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 3: she liked to speak in longer sentences and really disliked 430 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 3: short sentences, and so because of that reason, they wrote 431 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: the more longer sentences in the book. And also they 432 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 3: were really thoughtful about how they were presenting the timeline, 433 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 3: so she didn't really want to do it completely chronologic. 434 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 3: Even though there was a little bit of pushback from 435 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: the publisher in that way, they really felt it was 436 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 3: necessary to be because of the way time is interwoven. 437 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: In the way that they think about time necessary to. 438 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 4: Not go on. 439 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 3: In a linear chronological fashion, but instead documented how Harriet 440 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 3: would have documented it, which is saying, well, this is 441 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 3: this is a topic, this is something that happened at 442 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 3: one moment in time, but this is the history of it, 443 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: or this is what it links back to in my 444 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 3: history and in in our history. And that's evident through 445 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 3: the way that they like they organized the autobiography. So, yes, 446 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 3: Harriet had a rich history and it is documented in 447 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: the autobiography and the documentary that you can find online 448 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 3: about her. 449 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: I love that the autobiography exists because having that in 450 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: her own words. We've talked about that so many times 451 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: about how valuable that is. But I'm also a huge 452 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: language nerd, so I love how I love thinking about 453 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, about how you're the language shapes 454 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: the way you think. 455 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: And that's not to say you can. 456 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: You can think outside of that, but it is really 457 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: interesting how it shapes your thoughts. And so I'm really 458 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: glad that she was a force and we're gonna make 459 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,479 Speaker 1: sure this language and this traditions and these cultures and 460 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: all of that all right, which were erased and like 461 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: this are attempted to be a raised in this horrible way, 462 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: Like We're going to make sure that they're preserved. 463 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to do everything I can to make sure 464 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: that they're preserved. 465 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: So I'm just grateful that it's one of those things, 466 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: just like I hate that she had to do it, 467 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: but I'm grateful that she was there to do it. 468 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 5: It's interesting because we've talked about the extinct languages, especially 469 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 5: when it comes to native native languages and how they 470 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 5: have been forcefully erased and being taken out altogether, like 471 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 5: just forgotten. And I love that she had the foresight 472 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 5: because honestly, it took a lot of other people a 473 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 5: lot longer to realize what was happening. Espere, she understood 474 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 5: pretty quickly what was going down and what the white 475 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 5: people were doing. They're like, yeah, they're trying to erase 476 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 5: us initially, and just talking about how important it was 477 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 5: to preserve that. Also, she is an obvious writer. She's like, no, 478 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 5: this can't be this can't be chronological order. We need 479 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 5: we need, we need to change this up. It has 480 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 5: to be different. I'm like, oh, oh, so you're not 481 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 5: just a teacher historian, You're a storyteller so much among 482 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 5: the Native peoples and understanding this is how it goes, 483 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 5: and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I want to write it 484 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 5: this way. Also, I'm a big fan of long sentences. 485 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: As we can tell, I have too. 486 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. Yeah. 487 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: And she also talks about in her autobiography how like 488 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: she learned things because they were passed down orally, and 489 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 3: that's also how she was like transmitting her story. And yeah, 490 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: I think it's also just really inspirational to see people 491 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: who are committed to preserving history, because that's not everybody 492 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: that like thinks about in real time what something's value 493 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 3: is in the long term. You have to have like 494 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 3: a really long long view on things to think about that. 495 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 3: So it's like, Okay, I have this belt, and I 496 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: saved it because I know that it's going to be 497 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 3: important to the preservation of our my my tribes, my 498 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 3: community's cultural history, and that that should be saved for 499 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 3: other people in the future to enjoy and also for 500 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 3: them to be able to learn about their own history 501 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 3: because that's because it's important. It's so easy to just 502 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 3: go on about your life you know, have it be 503 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 3: wrote and not in real time. Understand the weight of 504 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 3: artifacts and the weight of how things are changing, because 505 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 3: I imagine over the course of her life she saw a 506 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 3: lot of change. She experienced a lot of change, and 507 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 3: she also heard about a lot of change from her 508 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 3: elders and from her grandparents. She said in her books 509 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 3: she was like, yeah, my parents loved me, but like 510 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 3: I had like three grandmothers who lived in the area 511 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 3: like close to me, and they just really loved on me, 512 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 3: is what she said. 513 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 4: So you know, she had a lot of She had. 514 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 3: A lot of clearly respect and reverence for preserving cultural history. 515 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 4: And it's so. 516 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: It's so important to have people who come to that 517 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 3: calling because if it weren't for them, then this wouldn't 518 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 3: exist in the first place. And I imagine she inspired 519 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: many other people to do similar kind of preservation and 520 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 3: historical work angle and continue the quest for education and 521 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: knowledge no matter how old you are in life. Was clearly, 522 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 3: you know, part of a way that she she inspired people. 523 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's really that's a nice part 524 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 3: of her legacy to reflect on, right. 525 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 5: No, that's just such amazing, Like we just celebrated Mother's Day, 526 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 5: and that's kind of that tale of like showing love 527 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 5: shows it comes out differently, and sharing your heritage and 528 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 5: being proud of your heritage and your background and wanting 529 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 5: to make sure that it's preserved through your children and 530 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 5: that your children can learn that love as well as 531 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 5: a way like that's so beautiful. 532 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, touching, Yeah, it really is. 533 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: It takes it takes dedication. Uh, this is not the 534 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: same level. But I remember when the pandemic first happened, 535 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to document all of this. 536 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna everything, and like two weeks later, I was like, 537 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: so much. 538 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 4: Got on the field. 539 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 5: I'll tell them about the fields. 540 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: But it is what it is like it takes like 541 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: not only the foresight and the like caring, but it 542 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: is work. 543 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: That is work and dedication. 544 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: So I'm glad that she was there to do it 545 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: and that we could have this conversation today. 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