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Speaker 1: Here we go our two on a Friday. This poppy

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Speaker 3: We are live. It's the Herd.

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Speaker 1: If you uh, Matt Hasselbeck's around the corner. Thought the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys played well last night. I thought after the rain delay, Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: Made the bigger plays.

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Speaker 1: But overall, you know, I always I always wonder about

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Speaker 1: like that Thursday night game. Is it speaking for the league.

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Speaker 1: Like a couple of years ago, Detroit beat Kansas City

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Speaker 1: and it was kind of our Oh Detroit's for real.

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Speaker 1: Remember they went I think it was in Kansas City

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Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, oh, Detroit's not just a fad.

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Speaker 1: Detroit's real. And I do think what last night told

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Speaker 1: us is Philadelphia is still going to be really emotional

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Speaker 1: with some drama. It was on display last night, and

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Speaker 1: dak with all the movement in Dallas. If he's healthy

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Speaker 1: and playing, They're going to be in a lot of games.

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Speaker 4: Totally agree.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of my takeaway last night. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of people would not do a

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Speaker 1: blazing five to start the year because well, I'm terrible

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Speaker 1: in Week one, but it's too much fun. Let's have uh,

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Speaker 1: let's have a good five minutes here with my picks.

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Speaker 3: I feel good, as I always do.

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Speaker 1: I felt good every week last year that didn't mean anything,

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Speaker 1: and here we go with our opening blazing five.

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Speaker 2: Let's blaze it up, fired up, it's Collins blazon fuck

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Speaker 2: giants had come.

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Speaker 1: I like the Giants plus six and a half. At

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Speaker 1: least one underdog of six plus points is one outright

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Speaker 1: in Week one. I think the Giants could be the play.

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Speaker 1: They played nine to one score games last year, and

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Speaker 1: both games against the Commanders were close. Brian Burns, Dexter

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Speaker 1: Lawrence abdul Carter. This is a top two or three

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Speaker 1: We saw what d Lins can do last night. Malik

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Speaker 1: neighbors matchup problem. Even with Dan Quinn back into the defense,

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Speaker 1: last year for Washington was a bit of a mess.

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Speaker 1: The Commanders great year, but they played twelve one score

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Speaker 1: games and their defense again was bad with a defensive coach.

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Speaker 1: So I think the debo Terry McLaurin thing is fascinating,

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Speaker 1: but I think it won't be perfect until later in

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Speaker 1: the season. This is a go either way game. I'll

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Speaker 1: take Washington to win, but six and a half. I'm

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Speaker 1: taking it with the Giants twenty seven to twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Commanders close, Steelers and Jets. I like the Jets plus

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Speaker 1: a field goal. This is the lowest over and under.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the home dog plus the three points.

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Speaker 1: They held fourth quarter leads in six of their twelve losses.

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Speaker 1: Last year, the Jets were in games, and that's with

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Speaker 1: an old quarterback that couldn't extend plays.

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Speaker 3: Now they have a young quarterback that can.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers had a lot of turnover left tackle gone,

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Speaker 1: quarterback gone, best receiver gone, best running back gone. With

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Speaker 1: a defensive culture, you think they're gonna look good in

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Speaker 1: Takeaway is is the wrong team getting points here? I

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Speaker 1: think the Jets rosters good and I've got a young

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Speaker 1: by the way Aaron Rodgers with all these new parts

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Speaker 1: he's not the most committed guy in the offseason. I

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Speaker 1: to twenty money line baby forty nine ers at Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: I like the Seahawks. You know, since Loomin Field opened

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Speaker 1: and the Niners McCaffrey's banged up, Brandon Aiyuk's out, Greenlaw's gone,

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Speaker 1: who fungus gone? By the way, Niners were not great

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Speaker 1: They were not a great road team or division team.

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Speaker 3: Lions at Packers.

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Speaker 1: I really like green Bay bet of the weekend, young

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Speaker 1: Bay here, only team in the league top five offense

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Speaker 1: you know, Jordan Love wasn't great last year. I went

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Speaker 1: and looked it up this morning. Final seven games last year,

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Speaker 1: nine touchdowns, no picks. He's fine. Lions lost both coordinators.

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Speaker 1: in the season. And Dan Campbell's not been a good

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Speaker 1: underdog coach twelve and twenty one and one as an

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Speaker 1: underdog head coach. When they got better players, they win.

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Speaker 1: When they're at home with better players, they win on

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Speaker 1: the road. Do they have better players than Green Bay?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Jared Goff without McVeagh and Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: win outright twenty eight to twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Take the under forty three and a half, nineteenth ranks

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Speaker 3: Here's the truth about the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Last year didn't have a great point differential even with Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Both teams come into the season with o line issues,

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Speaker 1: They weren't great out of their division. They've got a

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Speaker 1: to tell you the Rams defensive front is filthy and

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Speaker 1: getting better. I think it is a very low scoring game.

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Speaker 1: The over unders forty three and a half. It feels

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Speaker 1: probably at home. I give them the edge, but I'm

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Speaker 1: taking the under here. Take the under forty three and

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Speaker 1: a half. Jay McKinney thoughts on that, Love Love, love

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Speaker 1: the Jets pick. That's my favorite of your five outside

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Speaker 4: But that forty nine Ers one. You didn't really mention

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Speaker 5: McCaffrey missed practice yesterday, then the forty nine ers did

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Speaker 5: not make him available to the media. I have him

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Speaker 5: in multiple fantasy leagues and I'm sweating bad.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I feel so terrible for you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, friend, You need to go into every weekend with

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Speaker 1: a little humility, rock perty taken.

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Speaker 5: Over that game and winning on the road, beating your guy,

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Speaker 5: he would deserve credit. That's not tough. No iyuk And

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Speaker 5: if McCaffrey even.

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Speaker 1: Khim told me a week ago, I said, where did

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Speaker 1: you hate going when you were the GM Arizona. He

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Speaker 1: goes Seattle. He goes that is a rough place to play.

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Speaker 1: He goes that crowd lubricates, they're ready to roll. And

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Speaker 1: with that, Matt Hasselbeck is now joining us live eighteen

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Speaker 1: years in the NFL. So, Matt, I watched Dak Prescott

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Speaker 1: last night, and I've been a critic. I thought he

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Speaker 1: was really good. I thought Dak was I was just like, man, listen,

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Speaker 1: see d He's dropping it. He's not getting worked up,

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Speaker 1: he's not mad. He was stoic. You got, Brian Schottenheimer.

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Speaker 1: I don't know your takeaway on Dak. I was really impressed.

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Speaker 6: I completely agree with a lot of hate going to

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Speaker 6: Dak for years and years. I thought last night he

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Speaker 6: looked great coming off of the injury.

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Speaker 7: I thought he looked fit. I thought he looked quick.

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Speaker 7: You know, he said he felt slow. He didn't look slow.

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Speaker 7: He looked like a guy that was in command, in control, and.

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Speaker 6: Honestly, like with the loss of Micah Parsons on defense,

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Speaker 6: like leaders got to step up, Like you really step up.

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Speaker 6: You're not just the leader because you make all the

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Speaker 6: money or you're the quarterback. You're a leader by the

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Speaker 6: things that you do with like no one really watches

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Speaker 6: or no one really notices, like the camera multiple times

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Speaker 6: last night, he's going up and down the sidelines, tapping

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Speaker 6: up each one of his teammates, like the whole night

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Speaker 6: like reminded me of like what Bill Russell was like

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Speaker 6: like of him at all times, keeping us engaged like

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Speaker 6: he was. He came for the fight, and I don't

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Speaker 7: Dack this way, not quite this way. I was impressed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think it's something I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be hyperbolic. Here. But I remember years ago Randy

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Speaker 1: Moss Brady go to play the Dolphins on Monday night

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Speaker 1: if you're only targeted Randy Moss once, he not long

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Speaker 1: don't know. I gotta be honest about that, Matt. That

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Speaker 6: Your thoughts, Yeah, I think last year they had a

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Speaker 6: slow you know, they started out slow figuring out how

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Speaker 6: to use Saquon Barkley. They've got a new coordinator, and

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Speaker 6: sometimes you can kind of get lost in the forest

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Speaker 6: call sheet and you're thinking, like, okay, Eberflues he's in

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Speaker 6: zone ninety percent of the time, he's in too high.

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Speaker 6: Like you just kind of get lost with it and

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Speaker 6: you're really focused on winning the game. And sometimes what

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Speaker 7: Not getting the ball.

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Speaker 6: Like I remember Mike Congrin on his call sheet, he

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Speaker 6: would have like a whole section. I see it on

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Speaker 6: Andy Reid's He's his you know, just as big, the

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Speaker 6: whole whole section for like, get this guy touches. And

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Speaker 6: you saw that they tried to do it kind of late,

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Speaker 6: but I think it's important. You know, I was teammates

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Speaker 6: and he would come to me like during TV timeouts

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Speaker 6: be like, hey, man, like I would love to feel

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Speaker 6: a part of this game. I would love to feel

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Speaker 6: a part of this game. And as a quarterback and

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Speaker 6: as a play caller. I do think that that's an

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Speaker 6: important thing. When you have a star receiver outside, you

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Speaker 7: And I thought AJ Brown was included.

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Speaker 6: In other ways, blocking and all that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 7: About making it happen.

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Speaker 6: I think they get it fixed, but clearly that was

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Speaker 1: So generally, I like offensive coaches and good quarterbacks. In September,

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Speaker 6: You know, sometimes week one the quarterbacks are the coaches

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Speaker 3: Where do you land on that game? Chargers Chiefs tonight?

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Speaker 6: Well, my first NFL game I was with the Packers.

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Speaker 7: So it's a grind.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just happened? What do you expect from Micah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's real.

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Speaker 6: Well, listen, they're gonna have a small package for him

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Speaker 7: At least we know what we're up against.

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Speaker 6: Even if he played fifteen snaps and it came away

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Speaker 1: Finally, you know Seattle, Well, I like them against the Niners.

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Speaker 7: I think that's the image that he has.

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Speaker 6: And now with this injury news about Christian McCaffrey not

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Speaker 7: All that stuff. But now I'm buying Seattle this year.

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Speaker 6: I like I'm a lot in this division, and you

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Speaker 1: All right, Great seeing you, Matt hassel Back putting them

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Speaker 1: them all right, big one tonight. I'm staying away Chargers

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not going against Andy Reid and Patrick

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Speaker 4: Remember they lost Slater on the offensive line. Then that's

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Speaker 1: Way Beckton, They've got issues there. He's all he may

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Speaker 3: Is he out? He's He's go either way.

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Speaker 2: So they got that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it is great to have you in Eric Mangini's

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Speaker 1: by don't forget jamaxx picks tomorrow's headlines today. If I recall,

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Speaker 1: it's all very fuzzy, all very blurry to me. But

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Speaker 1: he I think he narrowly edged me in winning percentage

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Speaker 1: last year. Narrowly that's the word that came to mind.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 3: Turn on the news.

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Speaker 5: All right, let's rock and roll with your Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 5: You can't stop talking about Caleb Williams, at least for

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Speaker 5: the first month of the season. Obviously the rookie year

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Speaker 5: was not great. But now he gets Ben Johnson speaking

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Speaker 5: to the Athletic How about this one? Peyton Manning says

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Speaker 5: the Bears drafted Caleb Williams without a plan, comparing.

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Speaker 4: It to a young couple thinking about a baby.

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Speaker 5: If you're not sure, you're not ready, just don't do

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Speaker 5: it right, pivoting to Ben Johnson's a pretty big upgrade

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Speaker 5: obviously from what they had last year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Do you think it's going to be an easy learning

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Speaker 5: curve to get Caleb.

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Speaker 4: Back on track? Because we're talking about two years down.

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Speaker 1: I think he will be Caleb will be the best

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Speaker 1: version of Caleb what that is, maybe a notch below

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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels. But I think if he just becomes listen,

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Speaker 1: this is a franchise. If he could throw it for

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Speaker 1: four thousand yards, it will be the first time it's

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Speaker 1: ever happened to the Bears at quarterback. But what if

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Speaker 1: four thousand yards mean that means you're productive. I don't

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Speaker 1: worry about his production. Actually, what I worry about is

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Speaker 1: getting rid of the ball. If you told me his

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Speaker 1: production wasn't that much greater this year than last, but

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Speaker 1: he cut his sacks in half. The dude was getting hammered.

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Speaker 1: He was physically under duress. And this is something that

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Speaker 1: is that is something that I think is correctable and coachable.

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Speaker 1: But there are guys that hold on the ball too long.

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Speaker 1: And I you know, I said this about Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Does he see the field? I like justin Field's athleticism

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Speaker 1: sometimes upset. Does he see the field? That's a term.

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Speaker 1: So Caleb, when you're holding the ball, do you know

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Speaker 1: the I think I looked at it the other day.

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Speaker 1: The average NFL quarterback gets two point sixty five seconds.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the number something in the two set.

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Speaker 3: Just think about this, go.

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Speaker 1: Out, Okay, Like Dak Prescott in the second half last night,

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Speaker 1: there was somebody in his face or he was moving

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Speaker 1: on virtually. It seemed like every big throw so and

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Speaker 1: Dak was accurate. So that's the thing you can't a

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Speaker 1: lot of this sport is see it and let it rip.

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Speaker 3: And he just didn't.

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Speaker 5: I just again, I asked about Archsbanning before his first game.

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Speaker 5: Do we know if he's good? We didn't know, and

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Speaker 5: now we kind of know this. Well, wait, hold on,

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Speaker 5: can Caleb Williams do that? Can he process, read and

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Speaker 5: react in two seconds?

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Speaker 3: We'll see. I don't know if he can. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: We'll find out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because we know he can run around for his

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Speaker 5: life and makes him whacky plays off script.

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Speaker 4: Sure not sustainable in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Now it's not.

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Speaker 4: And this is a tall order against Brian Flores.

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Speaker 3: And the division's really good.

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Speaker 1: At home Monday night play. I like Minnesota in the

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Speaker 1: game close. That was my You know, I always bring

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Speaker 1: in six picks and then I leave one on the

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Speaker 1: cutting room.

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Speaker 4: You go against your bears. Now you're like mister Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Well journalism, there's no favoritism. Minnesota is a very nice state.

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Speaker 5: Let's go to Colins second Verity, very nice.

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Speaker 4: The LA Rams.

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Speaker 5: They enter the season with Super Bowl aspirations, losing to

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Speaker 5: the Eagles last year in a great game in the playoffs,

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Speaker 5: McVeigh talked about how great it would be to win

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Speaker 5: the Super Bowl in the forty nine Ers Stadium, since

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Speaker 5: the stadium features a tribute to his father, John McVeigh.

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Speaker 5: I was unaware that that's pretty cool. The Rams are

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Speaker 5: plus two hundred to win the NFC West, plus twenty

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Speaker 5: two hundred to win the Super.

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Speaker 1: Bowl Houston out of division. They get a lot of

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Speaker 1: those wins. I mean wins are wins, but going and

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Speaker 1: beating Stafford and McVeigh and LA and the season. Now,

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Speaker 1: Demiko Ryans dials it up.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: He is the Rams old line is unsettled. So Demiko

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Speaker 1: is a handful.

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Speaker 5: We know Matthew Stafford can read and react, we know

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Speaker 5: he could process with the best of them.

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna ask this about c J. Stroud.

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Speaker 5: I'm not criticizing him, although when you say that, you're

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Speaker 5: criticizing what happens if he fails miserably behind a rebuilt

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Speaker 5: offensive line against He won't fail miserably.

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Speaker 3: He's too he's too good. He's not gonna fail miserable.

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Speaker 4: What happened last year?

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Speaker 1: He got to the playoffs and won a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened last year.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no. J.

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Speaker 1: Shroud won a playoff game justin with a battle line

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Speaker 1: than the playoff game. Nobody's given. Nobody's given anybody anything.

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia won the game last night. They grabbed the game

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Speaker 1: and they won it.

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Speaker 5: C J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud is way too good. I've seen enough.

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Speaker 5: C J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud is a pro Bowl level course. Who you're taking?

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Speaker 4: C J Strowder Jalen Hurts?

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Speaker 3: I like them both.

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Speaker 4: That's not an answer.

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Speaker 1: Cake or ice cream? Why can't I have him together?

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Speaker 1: Because you need to pick Whatton.

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Speaker 3: I'm not playing your hypothetical.

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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Speaker 5: I'm not running that choice and that who's winning tonight?

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Speaker 5: Seezir or Chargers. You got to pick a pick if.

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Speaker 2: I gave you.

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Speaker 3: I like him both. I like CJ better from the pocket.

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Speaker 1: I think there is a strength and mobility advantage to

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I like them both a lot. Stroud, Dude,

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Speaker 1: Stroud spins as good a ball as almost anybody in

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Speaker 1: the league. That pubby comes out fast and accurate, moving left,

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Speaker 1: moving up, he throws a beautiful ball.

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Speaker 5: You know what that answer was, But that was you

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Speaker 5: throwing your hat in the ring to be president of

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Speaker 5: this country in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Spoken like a true politician. I love them.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna get me to bang on. CJ.

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Speaker 1: Don't have that organization was a embarrassment.

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Speaker 4: That's a fact.

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Speaker 1: It was arguably the most embarrassing in net franchise in

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Speaker 1: the league.

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Speaker 5: C J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud shows up and you're like.

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, Antimiko ryans too.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jimiko's terrific.

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Speaker 4: I'm not asking you to bang like.

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Speaker 5: Stroud is good, but his drop off from rookie year

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Speaker 5: to second year was a little alarming.

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Speaker 3: His three best receivers didn't play most.

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Speaker 4: Also true Diggs left.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean if you left, the show would

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Speaker 1: never be the same, you know. Just you gotta have

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Speaker 1: your weapons, gotta have your weaponry.

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Speaker 4: Are the executives up? Oh they are here. They heard

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Speaker 4: that awesome. Okay, final story Colin.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, ahead of this weekend slate, there's been a lot

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Speaker 5: of surveys and polls.

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Speaker 3: You love a good poll. I love them.

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Speaker 5: The latest comes from a survey of NFL agents who

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Speaker 5: have broken down the league's most unstable franchises.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you could guess.

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Speaker 2: Them, but I'm gonna go ahead and tell you.

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Speaker 4: It's the Cowboys and the Bengals came away with the

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Speaker 4: most votes.

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Speaker 2: And guess what.

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Speaker 5: Micah Parsons is now chiming in on the difference between

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Speaker 5: the Packers locker room.

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Speaker 4: I want to hear this and the Cowboys locker room.

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 9: I came in tuesday for treatment and I saw almost

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Speaker 9: every guy in the locker room. I said, this is

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Speaker 9: the first time I've ever seen this. They did say

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Speaker 9: this because there ain't nothing else to do. But there's

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Speaker 9: other things you can do. But they just want to

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Speaker 9: be around each other, hang out. And that's important to

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Speaker 9: having guys that want to come into the building, like

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Speaker 9: guys that want to come in the doing and they

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Speaker 9: want to be here. I think that's important. And when

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Speaker 9: you're around guys like that, it makes it exciting to come.

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Speaker 5: To work interesting, nothing else to do? And was does

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Speaker 5: he not know about Dell's in Wisconsin?

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Speaker 1: You mean the big shopping mall the Dell's. I think

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Speaker 1: it was a not so subtle shot. Well they took it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they basically handed ESPN the big story hit

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Speaker 5: job on Micah this week. All that negative stuff in

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Speaker 5: that story, he's coming back and firing.

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 1: For the record, Micah wasn't the greatest weight room addict.

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Speaker 1: I've heard that. That's a story that I mean, listen.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I didn't go too crazy on

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Speaker 1: the ESPN story, and I totally respected the reporters. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: these guys are pros, Jeremy foul and Wickersham, they're all great.

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Speaker 1: But I've had this happen in my career whenever there's

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Speaker 1: a big tray, Jerry started going and talking defending it,

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Speaker 1: and they start feeding stuff. I Micah has a couple

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Speaker 1: of issues I don't love, but he's not a quarterback

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to judge pass rusher guy like

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna judge head coach GM and quarterback. The bottom line,

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Speaker 1: Packer's got a really good player, really good player who

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Speaker 1: creates a lot of hurries and disruptions, and Dallas needs picks.

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Speaker 1: So my take was Dallas has four first round picks

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Speaker 1: in the next two years. For the first time in

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Speaker 1: three years, Dallas will have flexibility. Their pass rush last

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Speaker 1: night decent. Neither pass rush was great, but was decent.

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Speaker 1: They're fine. I don't like the you know, Mike a

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Speaker 1: bad guy? Suddenly Mikes. I listened to ten of his podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I never once thought he's deceptive. He's a bad guy.

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Speaker 1: He can be a little chatty in times. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: like him to be chatty, but Mike is fun.

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Speaker 5: I just paid non quarterback in the league, and you've

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Speaker 5: listened to ten of his podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I own a small but very successful podcast, not a

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Speaker 1: fledgling podcast. Yes, I'm just obnoxious today all day.

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Speaker 3: Jmack with a news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: heard line news.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, Okay, I don't I try to staff my phone.

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Speaker 1: But when somebody you know sends a little message Christian

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey thing, keep your eyes on that JMC Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, NFL network saying like, let's calm down, it's not

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Speaker 5: Defcon one. No, no, no, that doesn't mean the fact that

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Speaker 5: McCaffrey did not meet with the media tells me like

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Speaker 5: maybe he's ticked off and upset.

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Speaker 7: That's all.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just reading, so forget rock Perty have you

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Speaker 1: and we know, we all know Kyle Shanahan's great. Have

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Speaker 1: you seen Kyle Shanahan's record in San Francisco without Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: it's a losing record. Kyle Shanahan, so he is the

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Speaker 1: heartbeat quarterbacks. Perty's fine. McCaffrey is the engine here. I've

666
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Speaker 1: told you before. If you take out Walter Payton, he

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Speaker 1: is on a short list with Barry Sanders, Adrian Peter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a handful. McCaffrey to me is not

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Speaker 1: Walter Payton. He's on a short list of the second

670
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Speaker 1: best running back I've ever seen due his pass catching skills.

671
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Speaker 1: If he just came into the league as a slot receiver,

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Speaker 1: he'd be a pro bowler. He is an unbelievable player.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and by the way, he's a chess piece.

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Speaker 1: And so, by the way, what does Shanahan love? That's

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Speaker 1: why getting rid of Debo was tough. Deebo was a

676
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Speaker 1: chess piece. Josh McDaniels, late, Aaron Hernandez, they used to

677
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Speaker 1: always talk in New England. It's unbelievable chess piece there

678
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: are not many guys like this, and over the course

679
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Speaker 1: of an NFL season, annually you may have three or

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Speaker 1: four guys max that you can use like this guy,

681
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Speaker 1: top back, top slot, motion decoy. Defensive coaches don't know

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Speaker 1: quite what to do with him, Guys like Shanahan using

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Speaker 1: this piece.

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Speaker 5: It's and listen, I'm just gonna I don't want you

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Speaker 5: to indict Perdy if they lose thirty to thirteen because

686
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Speaker 5: he didn't get it done without his star running back,

687
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Speaker 5: without a yuk. What's the wide receiver room Ricky Piersoll

688
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Speaker 5: and Juwan Jennings. If he can go Brian Robinson, they

689
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Speaker 5: just traded for him like two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Well, if he wasn't making fifty five million, maybe they'd

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Speaker 1: have another receiver on the roster.

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Speaker 3: Just the thought. We're live, It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noone Eastern, non a em Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: The NFL regular season kicks off on Fox this Sunday

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Speaker 5: as the Giants take on reigning offensive Rookie of the

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Speaker 5: Year Jaden Daniels and the Commanders or the Niners take

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Speaker 5: on the Seahawks or other regional action.

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Speaker 4: The NFL is back Sunday on Fox.

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Speaker 1: So we were talking about AJ Brown got one target

702
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Speaker 1: last night. I think certain things can be valuable, but

703
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: they're more of a luxury. A nice watch is a luxury.

704
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: I know what time it is based on my phone.

705
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: I think you can some people like watches, go for it.

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Speaker 1: I haven't own one in thirty years. I'm not anti watch.

707
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Speaker 1: They're a luxury.

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Speaker 3: I don't need it.

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Speaker 1: And I think the same with wide receivers. So AJ

710
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Speaker 1: Brown didn't get looked at. Here's Nick Sirianni, Eagles coach,

711
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Speaker 1: discussing that.

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Speaker 10: When we talk about roles, you know, I tell those

713
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Speaker 10: guys there's gonna be games like this.

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Speaker 3: This is going this is going to happen.

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Speaker 10: But to be what we want to be, you know,

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Speaker 10: Aj is obviously going to have to be involved more

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Speaker 10: in the offense. But you know, some games go this way.

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Speaker 1: So, by the way, the three best teams most people

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Speaker 1: believe in the AFC are the Ravens, the Chiefs, and

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Speaker 1: the Bills. You know what, none of them have a

721
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Speaker 1: great receiving corps. You know who really drafted and developed

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Speaker 1: receivers better than anybody the last twenty years.

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Speaker 3: The Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 1: You know who had one deep threat during a twenty

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Speaker 1: year dynasty, New England, and it was the time with

726
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Speaker 1: Randy Moss. They didn't win Super Bowls. I think what

727
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Speaker 1: happens when you get a dominant personnel and a dominant receiver,

728
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Speaker 1: you feel you have to get him the ball because

729
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Speaker 1: they're so temperamental. It's like having somebody in the family

730
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Speaker 1: that's very emotional. Everybody walks on eggshells all the time.

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Speaker 1: That's what I feel it's like when you have a

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Speaker 1: highly emotional wide receiver, especially unless you have a very

733
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Speaker 1: strong personality at quarterback. So you know it's even I

734
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Speaker 1: mean Andy Reid Know's offense he had Tyreek Hill. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll take unknown draft picks over Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 3: What does that tell you? What does that tell you?

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Speaker 1: Also, Puka Nakua fifth round you can get I mean

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Speaker 1: Jennings for the Niners. Think is he sixth or seventh

739
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Speaker 1: round wide receiver of all the positions the last twenty

740
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Speaker 1: years is the biggest first round bust of any position?

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Speaker 3: Did you know that?

742
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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 1: I have a belief that it's an ego position, and

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Speaker 1: when you draft him in the first round, you're feeding

745
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Speaker 1: the ego. Get your receivers in the third, fourth, fifth,

746
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Speaker 1: sixth rounds. Cooper Cup was great for seven eight years.

747
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: He was a third round guy. Rams have lived off

748
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Speaker 1: guys that don't go pooka fifth round Cooper third round.

749
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Speaker 1: So I am a believer and it's an ego position.

750
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: Try to draft it out of the first round. Get

751
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: your quarterbacks, you know, get your offensive your left tackles,

752
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, get your interior, great defensive linemen. Uh, there

753
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Speaker 1: are positions, great linebackers, edge rushers. A lot of them

754
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Speaker 1: are first round. I take receivers later. There are some exceptions.

755
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Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson, coming out of college at the time, was

756
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Speaker 1: the best college prospect receiver I'd ever seen. Randy Moss

757
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Speaker 1: was insane. But I think, you know, like when people

758
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Speaker 1: say the Niners face the Seahawks, and the Niners, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: their receivers are banged up, That's not what I worry

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Speaker 1: about with the I worry about the Niners secondary. I

761
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Speaker 1: worry about if Bosa gets banged up. I don't trust

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Speaker 1: their D line, and I worry about McCaffrey's help. I

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Speaker 1: don't worry about the wide receivers. I don't think they're

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Speaker 1: that value. I think the Niners, I would argue, have

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Speaker 1: overdrafted an overpaid wide receiver. That's one of my criticisms

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Speaker 1: of John Lynch and Kyle I think they overdraft an

767
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: overpay the wide receiver position. George Kittle is your best receiver.

768
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Speaker 1: I'd argue your second best receiver is Christiaan McCaffrey. Those

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Speaker 1: guys I trust catching the football. Your receivers egos injuries,

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Speaker 1: I don't trust them. So now tonight the Chargers are

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Speaker 1: I guess the home team against Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: It's in Brazil.

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Speaker 1: It's a stay away game for me, and Kansas City

774
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Speaker 1: is another great example of this. They moved off Tyreek Hill,

775
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Speaker 1: went back to back Super Bowls. Now they drafted last year.

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Speaker 1: They went and got a kid out of Texas late

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Speaker 1: first round.

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Speaker 3: It was worthy.

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Speaker 1: I think he's more of a gadget guy than number

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Speaker 1: one guy. So I think they'll miss Rashid Rice in

781
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Speaker 1: the first six games. But Matt Hasselbeck is on the

782
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Speaker 1: Chiefs train tonight.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people, including you, Colin, are sleeping on

784
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Speaker 6: this Chiefs team. I think this is the most talented

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Speaker 6: team they've had in a long time. And I think

786
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Speaker 6: think that you're going to see a Travis Kelce and

787
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Speaker 6: a you know, a group around Travis Kelce like really

788
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Speaker 6: finished strong. They realize how special this year could be

789
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Speaker 6: if it is in fact his last year.

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Speaker 7: So I'm a believer in the Chiefs this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we said this earlier. The Dynasties tend to

792
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: have an entrepreneurial feel to them where they can find

793
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Speaker 1: profits where other people can't. And Kansas City has got

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Speaker 1: sort of that built in confidence. We were talking as

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Speaker 1: the staff this morning. It's they remind me the Warriors

796
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Speaker 1: who won that last title against the Celtics, and Boston

797
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: would probably had more athletes in their prime and may

798
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Speaker 1: have had a better roster, but Boston had not been

799
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Speaker 1: there before. And Golden State goes into Boston and Andrew

800
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Speaker 1: Wiggins and Hudo has been a bit of a disappointment

801
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: and Draymon and Steph Curry and they come out and

802
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: they win. They play their best game in the playoffs

803
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: and they beat them, and you're like, how's Golden State

804
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: winning this championship. They don't have any size you know,

805
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: guys are out of their prime, kd left and it's

806
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: just co ing and leadership and gyle and Kansas City's

807
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: got that layers of it, so they're a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: I do think the division is much tougher if you

809
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Speaker 1: go look. I said this Lebron James, now he was

810
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: out of his prime. But when you go West, everything's better.

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Speaker 1: The gms are better, the coaches are better in the West,

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Speaker 1: the players, the rosters, everything's better in the West compared

813
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Speaker 1: to the East. And I think if you start looking

814
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Speaker 1: at most dinas. When Nick Saban came to the sec

815
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Speaker 1: LSU had less miles. Georgia couldn't get the coach figured out,

816
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Speaker 1: Ole Miss didn't have Lane Kiffen. The entire Texas wasn't

817
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Speaker 1: in there yet. When Nick Saban was dominating, some of

818
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Speaker 1: the reasons he dominated Tennessee was dysfunctional is that he

819
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Speaker 1: was getting a lot of wins over powerhouses who didn't

820
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Speaker 1: have their act together. And then Georgia, Georgia gets Kirby

821
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Speaker 1: smart Oh and here comes Sark and Texas Saban didn't

822
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Speaker 1: look as good.

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Speaker 3: He didn't get any dumber. Nick Saban didn't forget football.

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Speaker 1: You know, the minute Josh Allen arrived in the AFC East.

825
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: Belichick and Brady didn't feel quite quite feel the same, right,

826
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Speaker 1: And Tom's like, I'm off to Tampa. So I just

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Speaker 1: think their division is too good, and that means you're

828
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Speaker 1: not going to have the best record. That means you're

829
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Speaker 1: gonna go on the road in the playoffs. Tom Brady

830
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: played forty one playoff games, eight on the road, and

831
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Speaker 1: Kansas City's getting a lot of buys and a lot

832
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Speaker 1: of home playoff games. And let's face it, the last

833
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Speaker 1: thing you want to face when you face Kansas City

834
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Speaker 1: is a comfortable team playing at home and crappy Kansas

835
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Speaker 1: City January weather. So you want him in a dome,

836
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Speaker 1: you want him at their place, your place. So I

837
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Speaker 1: think they're gonna be very good. I think they'll make

838
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, but I think the division, Jay, I think

839
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Speaker 1: you and I actually agree on this. You like Kansas

840
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Speaker 1: City tonight. I like the Chargers. But there is some

841
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Speaker 1: big bend for years, Brown's two and zero, Bengal two

842
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: and zero. Then Joe Burrow arrives and the Browns and

843
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Speaker 1: you start looking. You're starting split games, and you're not

844
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Speaker 1: playing at home as much, and you know Big Ben

845
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: down the end Steelers down the end and get quite

846
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: as comfortable seatings.

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Speaker 5: Interesting, It's I like the I like everything about the Chargers.

848
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Speaker 5: The coaching staff is great, the quarterbacks outside OHO line though, Oh,

849
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Speaker 5: line's a question.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I still think the wide receiver room.

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Speaker 5: I know they drafted the young kid, they brought back

853
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Speaker 5: Quintin Johnston, they brought back Keenan Allen, Like, oh, they're

854
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Speaker 5: I don't think the wide receiver room is great?

855
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Speaker 3: When is?

856
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Speaker 1: It's funny? And I think Kansas City's beating the Chargers

857
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: what It's usually close, but I usually win the game

858
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: seven straight. Doesn't it feel when's the last time you

859
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: went into a season and you felt great about the

860
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: Chargers O line. I think it was the Ron yeary

861
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: days with like Dan Fouts, Like, honestly, I feel like

862
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: they have had more unlucky injuries and bad breaks every

863
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Speaker 1: year with them. My mom was like, ah, I just

864
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: don't know if I trust their offensive line.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, there's the whole other Chargers cursed

866
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 5: and then there was the Nase Harris incident.

867
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Speaker 4: Like it always seems to be something with the Chargers.

868
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Speaker 5: I mean, even the only way Justin Herbert gets on

869
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Speaker 5: the field was because Tyrod Taylor, remember he had like

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Speaker 5: the puncture.

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Speaker 4: In his chest, and they're like, oh my gosh, what

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Speaker 4: the hell do we screwed up? You gotta get Herbert.

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Speaker 4: It's just one thing after another for the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Thank god they drafted Joe Alt instead of a receiver. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because Joe now can move to the left tackle. Was

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Speaker 1: Slater out Beckton's sick tonight? If they had no Joe

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Speaker 1: Alt against Chris Jones, forget it, Carl Offtics, forget it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Alt was the right pick. Great, not the sexy pick.

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Speaker 1: He was the right pick. Our three Jason's picks Eagles, Cowboys,