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Speaker 1: Hes got a book coming out. I do want to

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Speaker 1: mention a couple other things. First of all, um, we

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Speaker 1: Does she sign? I think they're we're very soon to

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Speaker 1: be all summer off fall, but Raging Idiots dot com.

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Speaker 1: We're bringing out Walker Burrows from American Idol, the red

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Speaker 1: like Harry Potter and Emma Klein. And then, um, you

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Speaker 1: can always check out Amy's podcast Four Things with Amy

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Speaker 1: Brown really needs no introduction. If you love Amy, you'll

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Speaker 1: love the podcast. Dude, what's her latest episode which she

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Speaker 1: that was the closest I'd ever seen church. So as

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Speaker 1: much as I'm like that scared me, it was also

427
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Speaker 1: I've never seen a close knit group like the Pentecostal church. Um,

428
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Speaker 1: what was your experience, because I know that's that was

429
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Speaker 1: a big part of your life. Much the same I

430
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 1: was scared to death. They always told you to bring

431
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Speaker 1: your friends to church, and I'd say to my mom,

432
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Speaker 1: why would I ever scare I want my friends to

433
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Speaker 1: see what lunatics you guys act like when you run

434
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Speaker 1: around and speaking tongues and jump all over the pews

435
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 1: and everything. And and I was never and you know,

436
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 1: this is the truth though I have to say it,

437
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 1: I was never very very comfortable in that environment because

438
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the way that I believed that I needed

439
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Speaker 1: to express myself and my beliefs, and it would and

440
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: it always troubled me a little bit, but I admired

441
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: the fact that people were so dedicated to it, and

442
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, there was so much love, so much um.

443
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: I've always felt like I was surrounded by a family

444
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: of people that would do anything in the world for me,

445
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: even though I may not have agreed with exactly how

446
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Speaker 1: they went about it, you know. So for me, I'm

447
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 1: glad that I went through that because it laid a

448
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Speaker 1: really deep foundation to ford the groundwork for my faith

449
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 1: later on in life. And I had to really figure

450
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Speaker 1: out what I believed and why I believed it, because

451
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: I knew I didn't believe a much of that stuff

452
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: that I was exposed to. And I'm not saying that

453
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't real. It was real for them, whatever that was.

454
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Speaker 1: But I had to deconstruct my belief system and figure

455
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Speaker 1: out why I believed when I believed and not just

456
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Speaker 1: because I was indoctrinated with it when I was a kid.

457
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 1: And so you start to play music, but you're playing

458
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Speaker 1: Christian music. Now, why why Christian music? Well, I wasn't

459
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Speaker 1: allowed to listen to quote unco secular music when I

460
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: was a kid, you know, I couldn't listen to Kiss

461
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: and a C d C. And until later on in life,

462
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: like a lot of the kids were listening to that.

463
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Speaker 1: So I went turned to bands like Petra and Milon

464
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: Lefevre and White Heart and bands that were rock but

465
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: we're using a positive christ centered message. Those were my influences.

466
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Speaker 1: And so going to church and believing in God myself

467
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: and believing in Christ myself, I started to write a

468
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: lot of that kind of music. And the more I wrote,

469
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: the more I really got into that and felt like

470
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Speaker 1: maybe that was what I was supposed to do. And

471
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: when I got to college and I was working at

472
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: the studio there on on the campus, I was doing

473
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: all kinds of demos and having my roommate Neil sing

474
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Speaker 1: the demos, and I was mailing them to publishers to

475
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: try to get a songwriting deal. And I got a

476
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Speaker 1: call from Benson Records one day, Don Cook at Benson Records,

477
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Speaker 1: not the Country, Don Cook, the KO c H. And

478
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 1: he said, I love your band we'd like to bring

479
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 1: into town to talk about doing a record on you,

480
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: And of course had to tell him we're not a band.

481
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: I was just trying to get a pub deal. But

482
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 1: so as you're deciding where to go to school, the

483
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,719
Speaker 1: the these these folks come to you and say, if

484
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Speaker 1: you'll go to school here, we'll pay We'll actually pay

485
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Speaker 1: you away your debt, We'll pay your carpet. Like they say, hey,

486
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: we're gonna write you chup by three thousand dollars. But

487
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: it was yeah, something like that, We're gonna pay if

488
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: you come to school here and perform with the band

489
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 1: that was at school. Yeah. Um, so this this guy

490
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: was known for hand picking the best musicians at the

491
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Speaker 1: school and putting together a recruiting ensemble. So this this

492
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: particular group of kids would be four singers for musicians,

493
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Speaker 1: a couple of other road crew and things, and they

494
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: we traveled on a on a tour bus and um,

495
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: we went around the youth camps, convence youth conventions, We

496
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Speaker 1: went around the churches, we went around the camp meetings

497
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Speaker 1: and going in Pentecostal church. I know, you know what

498
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Speaker 1: a camp meeting is. But we would sing and then

499
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Speaker 1: we would talk about the school and so try to

500
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: recruit kids to come to school. We'd go overseas. I

501
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to see a whole bunch of the

502
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: world at a very young age playing with that group.

503
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: But as long as you played in that group, you

504
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: could keep your scholarship, you can keep going to school.

505
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what my job was. So a

506
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: lot of these kids that would go home for this

507
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: summer that wasn't me. I toured my all of my

508
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: summers in school, and Neil and I were dear friends.

509
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: We became dear friends, and lo and behold we ended

510
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: up in East West together. And here is uh the

511
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: number one song from East to West, Prince of Peace.

512
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: How long has mit you heard this? Oh, my lord?

513
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: Probably years, probably now as I was doing my research

514
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: about East to West that I look like they were

515
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: more than one lead singer. We both we both shared.

516
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: You both were doing the lead. What's that sort of

517
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: dynamic when you have dual lead singers. Well, it worked

518
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: well for us because I played bass and keys too

519
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: soon and then there's no doubt Neil did the lion's

520
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: share of the lead vocals, and I would take a

521
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: verse here there, and you know, and and and that

522
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: sort of thing, and and maybe sing one song on

523
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: the albums I would sing. So it worked really really

524
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: well because I cared, you know, I was such a

525
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: musician and muso head that I wanted to like play

526
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: everything I could and play a lot of it on

527
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Speaker 1: the record, and so I was content to let Neil

528
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: kind of shine and do his own thing. And he

529
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: was a fantastic singer. But it worked well for us.

530
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: Here is welcome to the next level from East to West.

531
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: When you can hear those Mr Mr and Go West influences,

532
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: can't you definitely an here that era? Yeah, when you're

533
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: in a Christian man, do you get girls? Yes, but

534
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: they've got to be Christians. I'm just kidding, but you know,

535
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: like do you get girls like are they just are

536
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: they like, hey, band, guys, we'd like to have fellowship.

537
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: I mean, let's go to Bible stuff. Yeah, Like yeah, No,

538
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: It's definitely not like it is in country music or

539
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: pop for sure, But there are girls that are hanging around,

540
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, there are It's funny that you know, you're

541
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: you're dull lead singing and that's such a funny question,

542
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: and you're still going. You know, I'm content with playing

543
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: because I think that's a big part of why again

544
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: from the outside looking at and why flats have been

545
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: able to be so wonderful is that you can sing,

546
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: but you're actually okay not being the lead. When I

547
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: stand next to somebody that sings like Gary does every night,

548
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: it's like, what's the point. I love to sing and

549
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: I but I love singing harmony with him because I

550
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: feel like we have something unique and he's you know,

551
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: it's like anything he sings is better ten times better

552
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: than anything I would come up with. And that's okay.

553
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: I think one of our strengths is we realize what

554
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: gifts and strengths we all three individually bring to the table,

555
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: and we try to lean on those with each other.

556
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: And uh, you're right, I am okay because I get

557
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: to sing beside one of the greatest vocalists I've ever

558
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: had the privilege of being around every night. And that's

559
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: a treat, you know, for me. I would listen to

560
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: the Google Dolls and they had this basis and these

561
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: things like one or two cuts every record, get so annoyed,

562
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: like trying to be Johnny Resu be the lead singer yeah,

563
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: I get it's rare that there's a band um. I'll

564
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: give you a couple examples, but they do different things.

565
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: Lincoln Park had two singers. They had uh Mike Shinoda

566
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: and they had um In Chester Bennington. Chester would be

567
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: the vocalist, the straight and Snoda. Would you like the

568
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: rapping bear naked ladies that Stephen and Ed? And Stephen

569
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: was the big singer and Ed was kind of the

570
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: rappi guy, which Steven got kicked out of Manford the

571
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: whole thing. Yeah, did you guys ever talk about that

572
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: in flats where like you would do songs. I didn't

573
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: want to be that annoying guy. It's like, oh, okay,

574
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: we know the bass player sings too. But I will

575
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: tell you when we played the clubs, you know, we'd

576
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: have to play five hours a night. So we passed

577
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: around the lead vocals a lot more often back then,

578
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: because it's a lot to ask Gary to sing five

579
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,520
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580
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: could still smoke in the bar rooms, and so we

581
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: did sing a lot more. But I saw the value

582
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: of having that lead vocalists established, and the sound that

583
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,640
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584
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,640
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585
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,200
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586
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: Don and I have sung verses here and there on

587
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: some songs, but I just don't think it's that important

588
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,720
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589
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,920
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00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,400
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592
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,160
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596
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Speaker 1: I've been at the right place a few times, but

641
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: I've been at that place when it's the wrong place

642
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: many many many times, and where you just sit there

643
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: and go, man, just can't wait for my shop one

644
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: day on one day, one day, and you know, and

645
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I'll give you an example, um,

646
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: because I think your book starts with a really great

647
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: story about just life in general. Um, just a recent example.

648
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: I've been working on Idol now as a mentor you

649
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: know have you know, I'm on every episode, have a

650
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: bit parts, but that's Luke and Katie and Lionel Show

651
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: and Ryan Show and I come on and I'm on

652
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: ten fifty minutes two hours, which great, a great look

653
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: for me. But Ryan got sick and they're like, it's

654
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: fifth team. Minutes before the show starts, we need somebody

655
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: to host the show, Bobby, we need to host American Idol.

656
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like great, Like for fifteen years, I've been

657
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: just waiting for this shot, right way to wait. And

658
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, you read the news the next day and

659
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, this guy lucked out. He got I

660
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: was like, wait, I've been in the wrong place so

661
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: many times, like ten thousand times, nothing's happened. And I

662
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: find and then but because of that that one look

663
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: I got where Ryan got sick. Now a lot of

664
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: these doors have opened up because I got a stage

665
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: and I was able to do relatively well. And and

666
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: your book starts with the dude get it's like a

667
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: dude get six snow storm. He's stuck in a snowstorm. Yeah,

668
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: and you can't. He can't get there, so you you sing. Yeah.

669
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: The owner of the venue said, I've got a house

670
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: full of people and no artist. What are we gonna do.

671
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Can somebody go out and like, do af you praise

672
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: worship songs and explain our situation? And I said, I

673
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: got a keyboard, like I can go out and sing

674
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: some songs. And you know, miraculously enough they stayed and

675
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: we ended up doing about an hour, you know, And

676
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: it was one of the first legitimate times I thought, well,

677
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: there's opportunity meeting preparedness, like I had practiced my whole

678
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: entire life for that one moment, really, and I was

679
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: a nervous wreck, but you know how those things go.

680
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: You feel confident in your ability and your skill set

681
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: enough to go. I'm a nervous wreck, but I'm gonna

682
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: overcome and suppress these nerves so I can go to

683
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: go out there and do what I feel like I'm

684
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: meant to do. And I even say then in the book,

685
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: there was a moment where everything slowed down. I took

686
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: a deep breath, and I was like, Yeah, I'm in

687
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: my element. This is what I'm supposed to be doing.

688
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? I felt the same way. It was like, White,

689
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: I have to one a fifteen minutes. They're like, yeah,

690
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: no time for rehearsal. But about a third of the

691
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: way through the show, I went, oh, like yeah, this

692
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: is a big deal. But this is what I've been

693
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: waiting to do, Like I've worked to get here, and

694
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: my skill set is that to be good on the prompter,

695
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: good with people. I know. I know Luke and Lionel

696
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: really well know Katie a little bit, so I can

697
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: talk with them, and well, for get the prompter. You're

698
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: good on your feet too. More importantly, yes, you know,

699
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: the prompter could go dead, and I'm quite sure you

700
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: could carry the whole show by yourself. And that people.

701
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 1: It amazes me too, because I've I've done a little

702
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: bit of that. I've done some acting, I've done a

703
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: little bit of podcasting and hosting some things here and there,

704
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: and I co host the Tennessee Miss Tennessee pageant with

705
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: my wife for the past twelve years. And people don't

706
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: appreciate how hard it is to get up in front

707
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: of a crowd, especially live television, and have to stretch

708
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: and fill in blank spaces while people are screaming into

709
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: your ears what's coming next and what you need to

710
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: talk about next? And I have to say, even to

711
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: this day, you and I don't spend a lot of

712
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: time visiting with one another, but you're one of the

713
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: best set and I've ever seen, and and and and I.

714
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: You know, the future is only going to get brighter

715
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: for you. Man, you're scratching the surface getting older. I'm

716
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: older than you. You know your wife, Though I like

717
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: your wife a lot, he's only been super kind to me.

718
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: She's awesome. So she has I come through yet with

719
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Speaker 1: finding me a girlfriend. Every time I serious that I

720
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: want to set you up, never not once. Well, you

721
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: know you need to um start a Christian band. I

722
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: apparently I don't need this wart any more. Band get

723
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Speaker 1: a girl pregnant, then you get kicked out of that

724
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: said Christian band. So okay, that was the first story

725
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: that I and for me when I wrote my first book,

726
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: I just wonder what they were going to run with,

727
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: like because you send it out to people click bait

728
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: and you go what clickbait? Well, they create and yours

729
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: was said, you gotta go a pregnant and so at

730
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Speaker 1: the gap, but you're gonna play at the gap you

731
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Speaker 1: met out the gap, although that had been a great Yeah,

732
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Speaker 1: that's the clickbait. You get pregnant at the gap, inter gap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah in both. Yeah, that would have been truer, that

734
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: would have been true. Uh, so many places that could go.

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00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that was You know, people people have said

736
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: to me, it's hard to believe that you had sex

737
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: one time, and there's no reason to make that story up.

738
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: It coulduced as easily say we had sex a hundred

739
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: times and I ended up getting pregnant with the same result.

740
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: But it is the truth. It was one time condom broke.

741
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: My life turned around in one instant, and everybody that

742
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: had anything to do with me in my career at

743
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: that point in my life, um, most of the people.

744
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: There were some great friends that stood by me and

745
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: supported me and loved me no matter what. But most

746
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: of the people, some of whom had jobs because of

747
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: my career scattered. I got dropped by my record label, management,

748
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: booking agency at all just went away. And I say this,

749
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: I believe all too often people that call themselves Christians

750
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: kill their wounded instead of nursing them back to health

751
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: and making sure that they're okay. And that's what pisces

752
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: me off so much about organized religion. It's so judgmental,

753
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: and it's so easy to cast a stone at somebody

754
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: when they've got a million problems of their own and

755
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: they battle millions of demons themselves. And that's what I

756
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: wanted to write the book for, was to say there's

757
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: a different side to being a believer, and being a

758
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: believer doesn't mean that you're perfect. It's actually quite the opposite.

759
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: It's admitting that we're all flawed human beings that need help.

760
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: I don't believe any of us are meant to live

761
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: through this life alone and handle all of this crap

762
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: by ourselves. You know. It's almost that their strength and vulnerability,

763
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: you know, the same thing that you're saying right there,

764
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: like we think that the right thing is to be

765
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: the right whatever right means, by the way, it was

766
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: um right, yeah right? So so the only a sex

767
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: are one time Connor broke? Did you know immediately the

768
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: Connon broke? I knew, I knew it broken. You know,

769
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: we're getting down in the weeds here, yeah, we are.

770
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: We are did the well, I I realized after we

771
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: had finished, and I freaked out so badly she she left.

772
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: She didn't want to anything to do with me. She

773
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: was like, you're freaking me out. This is so weird.

774
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: It's not like that these things aren't happen. It's gonna

775
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: be okay. I said, you don't understand. And I was

776
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: really freaking out because I had made a commitment to

777
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: myself and and the trying to do it the right way.

778
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna wait till I was married, have have

779
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: sex on the wedding night, do the whole thing that

780
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: you're taught to do when you're a Bible believing Christian,

781
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: and I wanted that was important to me and I

782
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: failed in that. But the first to have sex ever

783
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: though well during while I was in the Christian band,

784
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: though I definitely lived when I was trying to stand

785
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: for you know, but when you're in the Christian band,

786
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: like like, would you have sex with girls? No good

787
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: for you? I did before. I mean when I was

788
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: in college, I went through a phase where I lost

789
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: my mind. But when I when I was in the

790
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: Christian band, I was very good about and I dated

791
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: a girl that was in a was a Christian artist too,

792
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: so it was easy for us to help keep each

793
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: other in check and make sure we didn't cross those

794
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: lines that we couldn't, you know, we wanted to. But

795
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: that's a good though, because I'm a big believer, and

796
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: if you surround yourself with the best people, then you

797
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: do make the best decisions. So if you have her

798
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: with you, and they doesn't have to be this one

799
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: even instance, but if she's a good influence on you,

800
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: it makes you make good decisions. Uh, you go to college.

801
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: You said you lose your mind in college a little bit. Yeah.

802
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: I definitely was one of those kids that had been

803
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: sheltered a little bit. And I always and you know,

804
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: I tell the story about my mom and how she

805
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: struggled as a single parent. I always tried to keep

806
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: my nose clean as a as a teenager and as

807
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: a kid growing up because I saw what my mom

808
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: was doing to make sacrifices to make sure our life

809
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: was good. And so I didn't do a whole lot

810
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: of partying in high school. I didn't, you know, I

811
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: kept my nose pretty clean. I did have sex when

812
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: I was seventeen with my girlfriend, but I felt really

813
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: guilty about it and never did it again. But then

814
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: I got to college and I was around a whole

815
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: group of like minded people like the party a little bit,

816
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: started hanging out with some you know pastor's girls or

817
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: when they when they get out of the nest, they

818
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: like to get out, and um, you know, test that

819
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: new found free him. And there were moments that I'm

820
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: not proud of it. I went through a lot of

821
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: you know, um, what, what's the word I'm looking for? Debauchery?

822
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: In college. I think we should shout out your mom

823
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: real quick, because you do mentioned that single mom work

824
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: two jobs and to put you in a Christian private school,

825
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: Like you're broke and she's working to put you in school,

826
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: which showed what she valued for you are kid, And

827
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: I mean that's a not even just a clothes on you.

828
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: But I also make sure you get into a Christian school.

829
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Speaker 1: I know it was remarkable now when I look back

830
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: on it, and you know, not until later on in

831
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: life did she tell me how much money she would

832
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: have left in her wallet or how much food we

833
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: would really have in the pantry. That she was going on,

834
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Speaker 1: How in the world am I gonna make this last

835
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: through the weekend living paycheck to paycheck. Somehow, some way

836
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: it all came together, and she would she told me

837
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: stories that's unbelievable about boxes of groceries showing up on

838
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: our front porch, and she would not know where they

839
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: had come from. Things like that that I had no

840
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: knowledge of until much later on in life. You know,

841
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: it's wild you say that because for me growing up,

842
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: we we I finally figured out who it was, but

843
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: it was the church. They would drop off Christmas presents

844
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: in food and the p t a because you know

845
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: my mom or my grandmother when she was just raising

846
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: me and my little sister, they would know they would

847
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: drop it off and we would get to eat. Or

848
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Speaker 1: I remember once for Christmas, I got a color by

849
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: number paints. It was only gift. I got the whole

850
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: year color by number paint set and I painted it

851
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: was the stupidest duck, but it was the best duck

852
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: ever painted, like it was my Christmas gift. And the

853
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: church brought it and left it at the door with

854
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: a bow on it and didn't say who. Well, I

855
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: we found out it was a church. But it's funny

856
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: you say that, because I love those stories. Zoon Man

857
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: and I think those have lasted with me to how

858
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: I tried to treat people too. I don't know if

859
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: it has for you, like if that's left in depression

860
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: with you. Definitely it definitely it makes me think about

861
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: the way that I treat people. But it also I

862
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: think has allowed me to live in the moments and

863
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: the life that I've been able to live and appreciate

864
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: it to a deeper level too, maybe than some others would,

865
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: because I wake up every day and this is no

866
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: joke thanking God for the chance to do what we've

867
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: been able to do for nearly twenty years now, which

868
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: is almost in heard of too in this day and age.

869
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: But I really don't take it for granted because I

870
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: feel so blessed, far beyond what I ever imagined I

871
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: would have been and it and it's not lost on

872
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: me how hard it is to make it in the

873
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: music industry. You see it all the time, how many

874
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: people come to this town every single day hoping for

875
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: a career in the music business. And I'm just so

876
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: grateful to be able to look back on all I

877
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: have been through, but to know that all of that

878
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: was for a very necessary reason. And now on the

879
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: other side of it, I can really look at it

880
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: and go thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you

881
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: God so much. Mm hmm. You talk about being twenty

882
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: years in twenty years and to to maintain a level

883
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: of success for that long, But I look back at

884
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: like your first let let's play your first thingle here,

885
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: let's let's go back, Let's go, let's go, let's do

886
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: I have the whole thing here, let's do uh. These

887
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: days before the video was shot, as you right, you

888
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: that are well? You thought you had a heart attack. Yeah.

889
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: I was dealing with panic attacks pretty badly in my

890
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: mid to late twenties, and I would have them periodically,

891
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: but this one was a really bad one and I

892
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: thought I was having a heart attack. So I drove

893
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: myself to St. Thomas and I spent most of the

894
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: night there. But this is also right before the video.

895
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: Right before the video. Yeah, I called our manager and

896
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: said I don't think I think we and he was like, yeah,

897
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: it's a bigger deal than what you think. It just

898
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: move a whole entire video shoot. And I said, well,

899
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. I've been at the hospital all night. They've

900
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: been running blood tests, and I don't think I can

901
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: make it, and he goes, come in as late as

902
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: you can, but please do your best to be there,

903
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: because we we we can't move these times. And I

904
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: showed up and sat down beside Allison in the makeup chair.

905
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: And that, by the way, is your wife. Now, as

906
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: the book says, she wasn't getting listen. I'm up precisally

907
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: a little bit about this because you sit down in

908
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: the makeup chair as you go, and you're tired, and

909
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: you've had a heart attack slash panic attack the night

910
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: before first video. You sit down, They're gonna make you pretty.

911
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 1: And there she is. Yeah, and what do you say?

912
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: I said, Hey, how are you doing? She's like fine,

913
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: nothing back, like playing tennis by yourself. She doesn't have

914
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: a ring on. Take it off of the video. It's

915
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: exactly right. So I'm like, I'll try again. Where are

916
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: you from, Jackson, Tennessee? Again? Playing tennis by yourself? Nothing?

917
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: No lab back? Where are you from? Oh Columbus, Ohio.

918
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked, you know, I'm just sitting there

919
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: like working so hard, you know, Like so if have

920
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: you heard the song before? And she's like, I don't

921
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: really listen to country music. I think I heard one

922
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: of your songs like called Waiting for Midnight, Like, well,

923
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: actually it's Praying for Daylight. A really big fan, I

924
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: can tell, So, uh is she was? She was not cold,

925
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: but stand office, you know, And now looking back, I

926
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: understand why. But as the day went on and the

927
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: longer the weights were in between each setup and each take,

928
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: we started to talk and I really really enjoyed her company.

929
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: Let me stop you for a second, but stand office,

930
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: because she was engaged, right, I just didn't know that.

931
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: I did not know that. In my defense, I did

932
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: not know that. And so you guys are shooting the

933
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: video and you're getting to know each other and you're

934
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: you're you're feeling a vibe. Yeah, I mean, all I

935
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: know is I like being around her, and she was

936
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: she was hot. I mean she was really hot, you know. Um.

937
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: And so I would go find her. I would seek

938
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: her out and I'd sit down beside over and she

939
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: was mildly annoyed by me, I could tell. But you know,

940
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm kind of quick on my feet, funny and make

941
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: people laugh. And I started to make her laugh some

942
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: and well, she's not impressed by the music. Thing. She

943
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: could have cared Less absolutely could have cared was hired

944
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: to be in the video. You guys here they are

945
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: Nashville sign ba boom ba boom. This is nothing, huh.

946
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: She could have cared Less. I'm telling you, it was amazing.

947
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: And I was like anything that a younger me or

948
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: any younger musician would use to, you know, to impress

949
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: a young lady, you know, like, hey, look at me,

950
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: Well don't I look sexy when I play with nothing?

951
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: I mean nothing, nothing. And so at the end of

952
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: the night we're talking, I'm on a truck bed with her.

953
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: I never on a tailgate when I'm sitting there, like,

954
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: I hate this because like after we wrap, I'm never

955
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: gonna get to see you again. This is sucks. It's

956
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: been really great talking to you. And she said, well,

957
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: actually I'm I'm engaged. And I know that you didn't

958
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: know that because it made me take my ring off.

959
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: But I'm getting married in about a month or so,

960
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: a couple of months whatever it was, four months, I

961
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: believe you say, yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, And

962
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: so I was just like, this is terrible. But she's

963
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: been really really nice to me tonight, and she's talked

964
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: to me and we've shared, and she finally goes, can

965
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: I go on your bus and use the restroom before

966
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: I leave so I don't have to use the porta potty?

967
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: And I was like, absolutely, I'll take you up. So

968
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: while she's in using the restroom, I pull on a

969
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: piece of paper and write my phone number down, and

970
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: I handed it to her and I said, listen, I

971
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: know you're gonna ask for this anyway, so I'm gonna

972
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: go ahead and give this too, just like that too,

973
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, really cheesy. And she takes it and she goes,

974
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: my daddy raised me never to call boys, but if

975
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: you want to get in touch with me, this is

976
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: my number. And I just thought, man, who's going to

977
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: give their number to somebody if there isn't a little

978
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: bit of chink in the army armor there? So I

979
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: kept calling her. She never called me back, honestly, And

980
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: I ran into her at the Old Green Hills Grill,

981
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: and I ran into her again at another restaurant. I

982
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: forget where we were at that time. Was ever with

983
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: her fiance, and she was never with him. She was

984
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: with her mom and her grandmother and a and a

985
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: friend another time, and I ran into her and I

986
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: the second time, and I called her and I said,

987
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: this is the last time I'll call. I promise. But

988
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: if that isn't a sign that we shouldn't at least

989
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: like go to lunch, I don't know what it is.

990
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: So let's just go to lunch. And we went to lunch,

991
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: and honest to god, we sat there for five and

992
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: a half hours. We met at noon, when she left

993
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: there at five thirty, and it was really like I'd

994
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: known her my entire life. Honestly, it was so easy

995
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: and so fun and natural. And you know, now we're

996
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: old and sick of each other, but at the time

997
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: it was I'm kidding. Have you thought that she never

998
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: had a fiance and this whole thing was that, No, no,

999
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: I know him, So yeah, you think, guys, then she

1000
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: has to break it off. H Well, it was you know,

1001
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: I think that I was more of the straw that

1002
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: broke the camel's back. It was headed that way anyway.

1003
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: And she she did tell me, she said, I need

1004
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: to sort my life out. I've had fun with you,

1005
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: and I definitely loved being around you, but I've got

1006
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: to make some big decisions and decide what I'm doing

1007
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: with my life here and so she cut it, shut

1008
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: it down with me for a long time. And one

1009
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: day I got a call from her saying that she

1010
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: had told her dad she couldn't get married. And we

1011
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: went to dinner and we're never apart after that. Here

1012
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: we are fifteen years tomorrow. Is that right? Congratulations on

1013
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: your big anniversary. Well we gotta leave. People do on anniversaries.

1014
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's find someone ask him stop. You

1015
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: know how much kids cost. And you've seen my wife,

1016
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: you know how much money she spends. I need a

1017
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: gig on idol or something. Can you get me a

1018
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: another judge spots off it? You know. I remember watching

1019
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: because I was over in Pop whenever you guys crossed over, Um,

1020
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: so I was. I grew up in Arkansas, so I

1021
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: was a die hard country family and I went to Pop.

1022
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: I kind of checked out a bit because I was

1023
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: just consumed by what I was doing with my work,

1024
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: and you guys, what hurts the most It was a

1025
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: big country and then started to creep into my world

1026
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: a bit, right, So I remember watching you guys on

1027
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: Yester Dear. It was up for a daytime, Emmy, wasn't

1028
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: it performance on there? Listen and I remember thinking, oh,

1029
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: I like these guys, because I mean I can remember

1030
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: it vividly. You know, yesterday was a sitcom and uh

1031
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: they you guys like showed up and they were trying

1032
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: to get into your show and then you stole our limo. Yeah,

1033
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: and they got and you guys, but then you're all

1034
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: right riding together in the back of the car. That

1035
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: that's funny. That's I think my first like real moment

1036
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: of knowing who you guys faces were. I'm still dear

1037
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: friends with Liza Snyder from that show. We we forged

1038
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: really great friendship from that show, and that's a favorite

1039
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: memory of mine. That was a fun shoot. It was

1040
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: about three days. Well so you're making it over in country,

1041
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: but it's gotta be a whole different world once all

1042
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: of uh like like, oh yeah, boulders are falling instead

1043
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: of it was weird man. When when What Hurts the

1044
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: Most was number one on UM Top forty radio. It

1045
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: was a moment that I'll never forget because we started

1046
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: getting calls to then go to which was unheard of

1047
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: back then. It was a different time, not a lot

1048
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: of like now, you'll see a lot of country acts

1049
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: like Dan and Shaane and Florida, Georgia line and folks

1050
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: like that, and a little big town at the A

1051
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: M A s and at the Grammys and things. It

1052
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: just wasn't that common back in uh, you know, fifteen

1053
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: years ago, and we were getting calls to do those shows,

1054
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: People's Choice Awards, you know, and it was like, wow,

1055
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: this is cool. This is beyond the scope of the

1056
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: c M as, the c M T s and the

1057
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: A c M s, which we love. But we were

1058
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: opened up and exposed to another whole, a whole another world.

1059
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting on the floor of the American

1060
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: Music Awards with Gary and Gary sitting next to me,

1061
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: and he nudged me and he goes, would you have

1062
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: ever thought we'd be able to do this? Sit in

1063
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: this room with jay Z, Beyonce, Madonna, Lady Gaga, all

1064
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: of these people, And he said, I'm gonna lay something

1065
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: on you you haven't thought about. I said, what this was?

1066
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: The year two thousand six? He said, We've sold more

1067
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: records this year than anybody in this room. And it

1068
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: stopped me in my tracks. And he wasn't saying it

1069
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: to be boastful or to like be you know, braggadocious.

1070
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: About it. He was saying, can you believe what we've

1071
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: done outside of just being in country music? And it

1072
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: was overwhelming to me. I never will forget that night,

1073
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: in that moment that we shared during the commercial break there,

1074
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: which is the two of us, It was so cool.

1075
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: Did you guys get crap being a mainstream success from

1076
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: any of the Nashville you know, hardcore country folks. Not really, no,

1077
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: not to be honest, we didn't. We had, I mean people,

1078
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: I felt like we're you know, except for the moment

1079
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: there when the song was released Murder on music Row

1080
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: and they talked about pop coming over an infiltrate and country.

1081
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of a movement there, but

1082
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: most people rallied around us and got behind us. And

1083
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: you know, there was a there was a batch of

1084
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: us doing something different, and Keith Urban and in Us

1085
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: and and Shadaisy at the time, and a few people

1086
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: that were putting poppy or elements into the country music,

1087
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: and I feel like they welcomed it. And it was

1088
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, some of the critics, of course, derided us

1089
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: early on and we got a bad rap, but most

1090
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: of the people in the music industry were kind of

1091
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: excited that there was kind of a new movement coming along,

1092
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, when Bless the Broken Road another song that

1093
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: crept into my life and then slammed into my life,

1094
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: played it all the time on pop radio. Yeah, I mean,

1095
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: you guys are a full fledged not that you're not country,

1096
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: but you're a pop act at this time, like it

1097
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: was just expected. When's that I'm talking about? From my side?

1098
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: When's the next Rascal Flat song coming out? It's really

1099
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: cool to hear you say that, because I don't think

1100
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying that today, you know,

1101
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was we We had that sweet spot

1102
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: where you're kind of in adell, you know, and you

1103
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: just sit there in it and soak it all up

1104
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 1: because it seems like you have a moment in time

1105
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: where you put a song out it resonates with people,

1106
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: and you have your fingers crossed, and you put another

1107
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: one out and it resonates with people, and then you

1108
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: start to get scared that you're that you're gonna be

1109
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: in this spot to where you're never gonna be able

1110
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: to put another song at that resonates with anybody. And

1111
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: it was such a magical time for us. We had

1112
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: about ten years there that We're just phenomenal. And it's

1113
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: a testament to the songwriters in this town too, because

1114
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: the songs we were able to get our hands on,

1115
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: the writers that were sitting in rooms writing for us,

1116
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: that knew what we wanted to say, how we wanted

1117
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: to sing. It really had their fingers on the pulse

1118
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: of who Rascal Flats was. I can't thank them enough.

1119
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: The car song, which people know it as the car song,

1120
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: I actually know it from Uh any money, No, no, no,

1121
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: I don't ad the money. It's it's not any money.

1122
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: It's um the original thing of life, the Highway, Tom Cox,

1123
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: Tom Cochrane, that's right. Um, But you guys sing this.

1124
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: But this was never a single, No it wasn't. But

1125
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: again it was played everywhere. Yeah, and that movie was huge, huge,

1126
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: huge for us. And I remember going to dinner here

1127
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: at the Capitol Grill with um John Laster, who took

1128
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: us out and showed a storyboards of the movie, going,

1129
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: I've got this movie about these cars that talked to

1130
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: each other. And you saw the storyboard of cars storyboards. Yeah,

1131
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: and I really want you guys to do this, um

1132
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: Mon Taj where he's on Route sixty six and he's

1133
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: driving and you're doing Life is a Highway and we're

1134
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: looking at the storyboards and he's wearing a Toy story

1135
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: shirt with Woody on it, and it's weird kind of

1136
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: you know, John's a sweet guy, but it's just kind

1137
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: of like, can we write a song? No, I really

1138
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: want you guys to remake you know, Life is a Highway.

1139
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm like Chris LaDue did it in the nineties and

1140
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: kind of made it a hit again. And are you

1141
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: sure we can't write a song? He goes, it really

1142
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: got a vision for this guy's If you'll see these

1143
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: cars talk to each other, it's like, wow. So we

1144
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: did it and one of the best decisions we ever made.

1145
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: First song we ever cut with Dan Huff, by the way,

1146
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: who's been on this show and as a dear friend.

1147
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I talked to Dan like three days

1148
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: ago and not Dan. If you go back and listen

1149
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: to an older show, if you're listen to this right now, Dan,

1150
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: we'll talk about how he would cut songs for like

1151
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: Paula Abduel or Uh. He'd play guitar on them. You

1152
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: I know she was even in the vocals. He'd be

1153
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: in the airport and I really like that guitar. Lecauld

1154
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: brother be like, that's you idiot. Yeah. I mean, the

1155
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: guy is so good and he's so humble it's disgusting.

1156
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: There's not a kinder human being on the planet and

1157
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: he's played on. I mean, you know a lot of

1158
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: people don't know this. I'm gonna tell something on Dan.

1159
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: He started White Hart, one of the Christian bands that

1160
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with as a kid. He was one

1161
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: of the founding members with his brother David, and so

1162
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: I followed him early on, before he was even a

1163
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: session player in l A and playing on all those

1164
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: hit records. There was something special about his playing, even

1165
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: in that band, that I knew that I loved and

1166
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: gravitated towards. So that's another great blessing in my life,

1167
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: was to be able to come back around and work

1168
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: with somebody like Dan, have him produce our band and

1169
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: being his presence and watch him work. It's just something

1170
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: I never would have ever expected or dreamed either, you know.

1171
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: And now to be able to call somebody like him

1172
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: a true friend is just phenomenal with me. It blows

1173
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: blows my mind. You know, was there ever a point

1174
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: with you guys, you're three that you're like, this is

1175
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: probably it. We're done. When Lyric Streets shut down in

1176
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: two thousand ten, UM, we sat around in my man

1177
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: room and looked at each other and we're like, do

1178
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: we have anything left to say? Even I mean, it's

1179
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: been a great ten year run. Um. We were getting

1180
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: ready to either quit or make a management change, and

1181
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: a lot of things were going to change, and we

1182
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: knew it and it was gonna be tough, and we

1183
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: sat around and considered whether or not it wasn't time

1184
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: to lay Rascal Flats down. And I think after an

1185
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: hour or so of talking with each other, it was

1186
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: just like, it hurts me to think about the last

1187
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: time that I'll look over to my right and not

1188
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: see Gary beside me. When I think about that day,

1189
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: it makes me emotional. I don't know when that day

1190
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: will be, but I wasn't ready to face it and

1191
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: to think about never making music with the two of

1192
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: them again. But it's something that even though we were

1193
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: in twenty years and we love each other like brothers

1194
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: and we've certainly fought like brothers before. I love those

1195
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: guys with all my heart, and we've done some things

1196
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: that a lot of people will never see or never

1197
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: be able to do. And we've been in the trenches

1198
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: together and we know each other in ways that our

1199
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: own wives don't even know us. And to think about

1200
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 1: not having that anymore, I think all of us were

1201
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: not ready, and we were willing to stay together because

1202
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: we felt like we had more to say and more

1203
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: to do, and we still do. I don't know that

1204
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: it's going to come to a close anytime soon. I

1205
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: think we will. We will all three have things we

1206
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: want to do individually as we get older and have

1207
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: opportunities to. But I don't see us ever really going

1208
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: away and and having an official, quote unquote break up.

1209
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about a sideband? Mh, I'm in one, alright,

1210
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: and it's tough to be in that one sometimes and

1211
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: the time that it takes in the commitment level, I've

1212
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: thought about maybe doingside projects, things like that you're in.

1213
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: Why don't I know this? Or do I know this

1214
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: is a secret? No? I mean, I mean I'm in

1215
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: Rascal Plants. In the commitment I was like, how do

1216
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: I not know? No? No, I I don't have I mean,

1217
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: I certainly love making music on any level. By the way, yeah, Well,

1218
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: I I opened up a Christian label back in October,

1219
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: so I've got artists signed there to that label that

1220
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: I'll be releasing records on, so that my time commitment

1221
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: there with that the new thing in my life is

1222
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: pretty substantial. So I'm gonna try to make sure that's

1223
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: as successful as it can possibly be. And I want

1224
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: to continue making music and producing for other people. And

1225
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: I've had, I've had the chance to do a lot

1226
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: of great things, and you know, I'm at a really

1227
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: great point in my life now to where I really

1228
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: really enjoy everything that I'm doing right now, and I'm

1229
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: not just doing it because I have to. You know,

1230
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: has Gary ever said how they go do a solo record?

1231
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: I think Gary will do a solo record someday. I

1232
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: don't know what it will be. It maybe a Christian record,

1233
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it will be. And I think

1234
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think he should do a solo record.

1235
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: I think that if it's in him and something he

1236
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: wants to do, I would support that and in his

1237
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: aspirations and dreams. One percent. Would you have seven years

1238
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,479
Speaker 1: ago or do you feel now you're at a place

1239
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: where you're kind of comfortable with where the band is.

1240
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: You hit a big you came back, you hit it

1241
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: big again. You've had in the last few years, you've

1242
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: had number once again. So it's a part of that

1243
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: because of all this success, and now you feel a

1244
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: little more like we're stationed, like we're a thing. What

1245
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 1: it be to come? You know, after Bless the Broken

1246
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: Road and said, guys, I want to do it. This

1247
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: is quick solo thing, like like you see Boheman Rapsody

1248
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: were like, Fred, you gotta do a solo record. That

1249
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: didn't happen at all With you, guys, it didn't happen.

1250
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: I think that all of us appreciated where we were

1251
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: and appreciated each other and loved each other. And Gary

1252
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: was um extraordinarily gracious in the fact that he was

1253
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: in a band and and never put us in a

1254
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: bad position to go. I think I'm gonna go off

1255
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: on my own here for a little bit and and

1256
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: try it on my own, and and you know, I'm

1257
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: grateful to him for that. The flip side is it

1258
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: doesn't turn out well for a lot of people that

1259
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: try to leave a group situation and and and go

1260
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: out on their own. It's really tough to do, and

1261
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: when you've done it at a high level like we have,

1262
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you've got to realize you're

1263
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: coming out of your own pocket to pay for all

1264
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: the luxuries that you won't have anymore because you're virtually

1265
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: starting over. I think it's hard for some people. I'll

1266
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: look at you. Here you are with a book. Yeah,

1267
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm all grown up, has the book to I've been

1268
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: a grind for you, it has been, but it's been fun.

1269
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've enjoyed being able to talk about my

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Speaker 1: life and being able to celebrate my mother and tell

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Speaker 1: my story from a different side. You know. I'm sure, um,

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Speaker 1: maybe you deal with some of this too, But I've

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Speaker 1: always I've always been, you know, like referred to as

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Speaker 1: the funny guy or the cut up in the band

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Speaker 1: or whatever, and and I wanted the chance to really

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Speaker 1: tell some things from my perspective and and talk about

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Speaker 1: my philosophies on life and hopefully people see another, maybe

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Speaker 1: a little bit deeper side to me than just being

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Speaker 1: the funny guy. Yeah, it probably you know, you get

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Speaker 1: to exercise a bit of depth which people don't always

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Speaker 1: come to the funny guy for. And so yeah, it

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Speaker 1: feels good right like, it feels like it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like it's kind of like a Really it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot to dig up this stuff, and it's

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Speaker 1: a lot, even for me. It was tough to to

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Speaker 1: re talk about this stuff. Um, but then you start

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Speaker 1: to realize, which back to your very first point was

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Speaker 1: there are people out there that are struggling with some

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Speaker 1: of the same things that you struggle with that I

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Speaker 1: struggled with, that feel like they're alone. And if you

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Speaker 1: can see that you you know, Mr Rascal Fly, you

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Speaker 1: can do it, and how it happened to him and

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Speaker 1: could deal with it, then um, that that happened to everyone.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the point is you think about people

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Speaker 1: when they're by themselves and the lights are off and

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Speaker 1: the doors shut and they're behind closed doors. What kind

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Speaker 1: of pain and hurt that people deal with on a

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Speaker 1: daily basis will never know? And sometimes it's nice to

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Speaker 1: know that somebody you know, or somebody you may look

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Speaker 1: up to, or somebody you may admire, has gone through

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Speaker 1: some of the same things. And look, here's how they've

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Speaker 1: dealt with it, and here's how they've overcome it, and

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Speaker 1: how how they still still deal with it. You know,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't go away. Um, hurt and pain doesn't go away.

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Speaker 1: The older you get, you just learn a different skill

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Speaker 1: set and you have a different bag of tools to

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Speaker 1: deal with it. And that's all I wanted to do

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Speaker 1: is just say, look, if you're willing to try therapy

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Speaker 1: and you're willing to try pills to balance out chemical

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Speaker 1: imbalances and things like that, maybe there's another option. And

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Speaker 1: maybe that option could be finding your own faith in

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Speaker 1: God and finding your own relationship with Him, because you

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Speaker 1: might find some hope and strengthen you you never even

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Speaker 1: dreamed before. You say, your greatest blessing isn't the flats,

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Speaker 1: It isn't even your family, but it's hope. Yeah. What

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Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Well? I meant that hope

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Speaker 1: was the only thing I had. Sometimes before I had

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Speaker 1: my family, or before I had the flats or anything,

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Speaker 1: all I had was hope. And sometimes it would be

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Speaker 1: the smallest little ounce of hope. It would be a

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Speaker 1: friend that would call me out of the blue and

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Speaker 1: go I thought about you the other day. I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to check in on you. You're doing okay, And

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Speaker 1: it would blow me away because it would be when

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Speaker 1: I needed it the most and least expected it. Or

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Speaker 1: I would see uh sign of a on a billboard

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Speaker 1: in front of a church that would be a scripture

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Speaker 1: and I would look it up in the Bible and

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Speaker 1: it be, you know, something that would give me like,

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Speaker 1: hang in there, you're on the right track. I know

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Speaker 1: you can't feel it, but you gotta stay the course.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it was my mom. A lot of times it

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Speaker 1: was my mom going, you're not coming back home. You're

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Speaker 1: where you're supposed to be, and you've got to stay there.

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Speaker 1: You gotta stay the course. You gotta, you know, dust

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Speaker 1: yourself off, get back up on your feet, and keep

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Speaker 1: moving forward. And that's what I mean about hope. My

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Speaker 1: mom gave me that gift, and I didn't even realize

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Speaker 1: she was giving it to me when she was dragging

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Speaker 1: me off to church three or four times a week.

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Speaker 1: But it was in there and it took deep root

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Speaker 1: in me, and I relied on it later on in

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Speaker 1: life when things got really really bad. We're gonna end

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Speaker 1: with this. By the way, you watch a game with Thrones,

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Speaker 1: I don't you are you? Are you? You're your Thrones guy? Yeah,

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: I I try not to be the Thrones guy that

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01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: yells about it all the time. Well, I know, and

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01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: I feel so bad. I've given it like two shots

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Speaker 1: and I've made it through like three or four episodes,

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01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: and it's just so much to keep up with. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I'm watching a high school play sometimes in

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Speaker 1: about medieval times, and I'm sure it's great, um, but

1353
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: maybe I need to give it another shot. But because

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01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: a ton of people that I love and respect are

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Speaker 1: obsessed with that trip, I think it's a great It's

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01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: not my favorite of my life, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: the best TV show in my lifetime. And I think

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Speaker 1: there's a difference the best. I think your TV show

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01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: in my lifetime not my favorite, So I don't if

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Speaker 1: I get to pick one that's not it. I caught

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Speaker 1: one episode late one night called The Red Wedding or

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Speaker 1: something like that, where everybody know that's one there, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think I could, Like, I don't

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Speaker 1: think I can deal with this weekly. That one was

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Speaker 1: a big one. But yeah, it's a lot um and

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Speaker 1: you fall in love with the characters and they all

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Speaker 1: die right, like, every single one of them. It's like

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Speaker 1: fight club. Yeah, you don't talk about it. We don't

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Speaker 1: talk about it's a it's a it's a fantastic show.

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Speaker 1: But you don't watch The Thrones. What do you watch? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of more on the that I'm on the

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Speaker 1: shallow into things like I'm really into Ship's Creek right

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Speaker 1: now on Netflix. You know, I matched with the girl

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Speaker 1: that's on I don't know if I should say who

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Speaker 1: it is, but one of the main actors I'm on

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Speaker 1: these dating apps right and one of the main actors

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Speaker 1: on the show I matched with on the dating app

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01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: and a little bit you gotta decide. Have you talked

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Speaker 1: to her? Yeah, that's awesome. I'll pull up Earth and

1380
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: we've been talking about so I love that because the

1381
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: apps are crazy. Man, it's like instant everyone you can

1382
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 1: just it's like free, like even ten years ago, you know.

1383
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: With It's something we talk about all the time too.

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Speaker 1: Don't you love how brave people are on social media

1385
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: When they get behind a keyboard, they can just get

1386
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: on there and just torpedo you with no repercussions. I

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01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: think that people just want to be heard, and they

1388
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: find that the best way to be heard is to

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Speaker 1: be the loudest and most obnoxious. It just bugs a

1390
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: crap out of me because it's your Facebook or now

1391
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: even though I don't look at the show face I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't look at it. And I've almost thought about

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Speaker 1: muting my Instagram comments because there'll be a hundred great

1394
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: comments and my personality is to zone in on the

1395
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 1: one guy that's being an ass, you know what I mean,

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: and it will you send me over the edge, you know,

1397
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: and be like, dude, what this is? How I matched with?

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01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: You have to say who it is. But we've been talking.

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Speaker 1: Do you recognize that for the show? Of course I do. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: You watched the show? Yeah, of course, and that's why

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01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: when I saw I was like, I'll click the heart

1402
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: and then I was surprised that the heart came back.

1403
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: And so yeah, she's that shows shot in Canada. So

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01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: she's in Vancouver. Um, I'm not sure where. If you

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01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: were out in l A, you can just go up

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01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: up Creaks. Funny. What else you watching? Um? I'm a

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01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: huge Walking Dead fan. Okay, let me ask you a question.

1408
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: Me to die hard with my favorite show for years.

1409
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: But I got I got kind of lost, and like

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01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: I think I'm like a season behind and I don't

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01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 1: know where I got lost, and I'm not super into

1412
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: catching up. The show is not the same with that Rick.

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01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: It's really lost a little bit. And I gotta tell you,

1414
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: it almost lost me for good when they at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of a couple of seasons ago when they my

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01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: my buddy Michael Cutlitz was on there and they bashed

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Speaker 1: his brains in with the baseball bat, and then they

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01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: with Michael cut Let's play too, he played Abraham Oh

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01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: oh yeah, redhead. And then they killed Glenn off too,

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Speaker 1: and they like popped his eyeball out with the baseball

1421
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: man everythine or the first episode whenever, yeah, Nigan. And

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Speaker 1: I love Jeffrey Dean Morgan. He's a fantastic actor. It

1423
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: just they took it so far because of the shock

1424
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: factor that they always try to do with that show,

1425
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: and you never know who's gonna die. And I get it,

1426
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: and I'm such a huge fans of the fan of

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01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: the show, but it started to lose me a little bit,

1428
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: to be quite honest. Yeah, I when after Rick was gone,

1429
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: I just kind of got lost what episode I was

1430
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: and I wasn't just terribly horn to get back at it,

1431
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: you know. And I love Darryl, but I don't know

1432
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: that he's enough to hold the show by himself. I

1433
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: turned into a TV critic all of a sudden, haven't

1434
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: a Um, we all are at this point everything is

1435
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: so good? If it's not so good, and right up,

1436
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: our algorithm are human algorithm to what show we want

1437
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: that we just move on to the next thing. Yeah,

1438
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: and I don't love Christley knows best. I've been on

1439
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of those episodes of Todd. He's a he's

1440
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine. He wrote on the back of

1441
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: your book that he wrote, Hey, he's not a douchebag.

1442
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: Read the book exactly. He's not the jerk you think

1443
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: he is all the time. Sometimes I'm you know, what

1444
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: Shill I like is nine one one. I think that's

1445
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: a pretty good show on Fox. Have you of the

1446
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: first season? She's not in the second season, but um,

1447
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,839
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty decent. And we what we do is Allison.

1448
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: I just binge on some stuff every once in a while,

1449
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what we're what else we're

1450
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: watching right now? Watch any of the Marvel stuff on Netflix,

1451
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: like The Punisher. I don't is it good? It's the

1452
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: best show to base Agents of Shield any good. I

1453
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: didn't get into all right. Yeah, I was never torn

1454
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: away and he's a big You see the Last Adventures, haven't. Yeah,

1455
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: I saw the end Game, so it's amazing. I turn

1456
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 1: off Twitter when Game of Thrones ends because I'm on

1457
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: ID at the same time and have to go home

1458
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: and look at it. But I'm avoiding Everything Adventures until

1459
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: I can watch End Game because it's supposed to be

1460
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: so freaking good. Let me tell you, I was amazed

1461
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: at how great it was. I mean it was three hours,

1462
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: and is that good? You don't know it's three hours.

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01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean it goes buying a blank, doesn't it? You know?

1464
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean it really really does. Excited about John Wick three, Yes,

1465
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: me too. I actually love those movies. I think Kean

1466
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: Reid is my favorite actor. I've I've declared he's not

1467
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: my favorite because you can make fun of him. You can,

1468
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: but look at his body of work. Respect the body

1469
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: of work. So he's now America's favorite actor and mine.

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01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 1: I love it. And you know what else, I gotta

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01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 1: tell you, Cobra Kai is fantastic too. I haven't seen it.

1472
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: I know it's a YouTube show. You gotta watch it, man,

1473
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. What these guys have done with the storyline

1474
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: thirty plus years later, with these two you never see coming,

1475
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: It is really fantastic. Now, Billy Zafka, who plays Johnny,

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Speaker 1: is one of my lifelong dearest friends. So I've you know,

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Speaker 1: I've been a Karate Kid fanatics since the first movie

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Speaker 1: came out when I was a teenager. But what they've

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Speaker 1: done with the story and how they've taken those two characters,

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Speaker 1: you would really really appreciate love interesting. Well, listen, we've

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Speaker 1: Here's the question I was gonna ask you before I

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Speaker 1: veered off the last question. I ask him, if you

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Speaker 1: could tell yourself, you give your your sixteen year old

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Speaker 1: self one a little bit of advice from you right now?

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Speaker 1: Would you tell them condoms do break? There and there?

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Speaker 1: There you have it. Listen, check out the book. It's

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Speaker 1: a Shotgun Angels, My story of Broken Roads and Unshakable Hope.

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Speaker 1: How was how hard that subtitle to have and to

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Speaker 1: come up with it was? It was pretty tough. They wanted. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what was the first title of the book, Because I

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Speaker 1: went to like nineteen it was called something like um uh, hope,

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Speaker 1: Hope in the Hope in the Forgotten places or something.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there were so many different variations of that.

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Speaker 1: I was like, none of them made me happy. My

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Speaker 1: co author, actually Timothy, came up with that because the

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Speaker 1: two stories in the book about my folks and also

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Speaker 1: the angels that ride shotgun next to you you don't

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Speaker 1: even know about. Look at this. He got a book.

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Speaker 1: Got a book? You play a couple of songs on

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Speaker 1: the keyboards, got a he's got a gift on the piano,

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Speaker 1: says occasionally funny things. I'm not I'm glad. He's no

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Speaker 1: Bobby Moans. I'll tell you this guy right here is

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Speaker 1: no Bobby Bones. Thank god, Um, listen that Jay. Good

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Speaker 1: to see you, but good to see you too. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for your time. One on nine. Look at this?

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Speaker 1: Have you every been ever? Be? For hours straight? One

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Speaker 1: on one? Hey, And it's just like adventures in game.

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Speaker 1: It didn't even feel like we were both die. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what happened in Aures. All right, listen,

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Speaker 1: thank you, We'll see you the next time. Episode one

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Speaker 1: seventy seven. Everybody