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Speaker 1: All media. Hi everyone, it's me James. This is a pickup.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday morning. I recorded with Joseph on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 1: Someone destroyed or removed one of our callers. Since then,

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Speaker 1: I've received photos this morning of a place where we

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Speaker 1: put it and it's gone. You can probably draw your

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Speaker 1: own conclusions as to how I feel about that, and

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Speaker 1: probably tell from how I'm talking to it, and I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty pissede off. Also, our friend Rafael, Rafael from Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles de la Desierto is without a vehicle at the moment.

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Speaker 1: His truck broke. This is a person who gives every

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Speaker 1: ounce of his being to rescuing migrants. He is there

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Speaker 1: with them in their hardest times. When they pass away,

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Speaker 1: he's there to recover their remains with dignity, to connect

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Speaker 1: their families with the passing moments of their loved ones.

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Speaker 2: He's there to rescue people. He rescued a woman and

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Speaker 2: child on Monday.

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Speaker 1: His truck's broken, and if you're able to give, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to include a link in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: I talked to Borderland Reef Collective.

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Speaker 1: We all agree that the most important thing right now

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Speaker 1: is to get money to Raphael so he can continue

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Speaker 1: doing that life saving search and rescue work as we

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Speaker 1: hit record temperatures here and before it gets freezing cold

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Speaker 1: in the winters. So if you can, please please just

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Speaker 1: a few bucks, like we'll buy them an old track.

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Speaker 1: I'll fix it. I just don't want more people to

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Speaker 1: die out there, and I think having a track for

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Speaker 1: Rafael would meaningfully make it safer for people. So if

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Speaker 1: you're able to give, please give. Otherwise, please enjoy this podcast.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I understand if you can't. It's a hard

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Speaker 1: time for everyone, but yeah, either way, help if you

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Speaker 1: can enjoy this podcast. BI Hi everyone, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast today. It's me James and I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Joseph Hauser, who's a volunteer from Borderlands Relief Collective who

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Speaker 1: was out with me on Sunday. We're recording this on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night and we were dropping water at the border.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to describe for you a little bit of

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Speaker 1: our what we we were at there. It was very hot,

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Speaker 1: things were in a bad way. I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say like despite all of our best efforts, things

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Speaker 1: were really difficult. That there's only so much we can

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Speaker 1: do when it's one hundred and five degrees and there

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Speaker 1: are dozens of people and we're trying to get water

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Speaker 1: to all of them.

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Speaker 2: So welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you, James. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: No, I appreciate you being gay.

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Speaker 1: So I think if we begin by like describing preps

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Speaker 1: for people, and we first started messaging a boy going

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Speaker 1: out on Sunday, like Saturday afternoon, right, I think.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it was yeah, early Saturday afternoon. I had

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Speaker 4: just finished getting my haircut, I'd gone and grabbed an

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Speaker 4: early lunch, and I saw a message from you and

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Speaker 4: one of our group chats that some of the local

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Speaker 4: grocery stores were selling those big orange five gallon water

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Speaker 4: jugs for like thirteen dollars, Like apparently they're trying to

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Speaker 4: like get rid of their stock or something. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: you and me a couple of other people were scrambling

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I think that's a normally one hundred bucks

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Speaker 1: we went all around, bought all the ones from that

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Speaker 1: corralled them, and then we put ice in them. Right,

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Speaker 1: But this is the next day on Sunday, and then

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Speaker 1: you and I met up and we went out. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to just give people a sense of the

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Speaker 1: people we met right from all over the world, the

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Speaker 4: So the first group of people we met, we ran

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Speaker 3: He couldn't stomach anything other than liquid.

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Speaker 1: It was like we see people all the time who

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Speaker 1: I can't face food right now. Because he'd been walking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how he came man.

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Speaker 1: Because we would just drive along and he came out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like just really, it's just so sad to

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think where we went next. We went

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we went up to an area where Borderlands Relief

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Speaker 4: Collective has set up what we call a welcome station.

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Speaker 4: It's up on top of one of the smaller peaks

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Speaker 4: you can see all the way down to the actual

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Speaker 4: like we've got a group coming up here, there's some

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because people people walk up for the boarder.

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Speaker 1: I always like that spot. Oh it's weird because sometimes

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Speaker 2: And there down there and that that sucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it's a really if it was anywhere else,

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Speaker 1: it would be a beautiful view. It's a baby though,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's absolutely gorgeous like natural landscape, but it is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you and I have both hiked, like alongside

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Speaker 1: It's like penguin flip of feet, so I wasn't able

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Speaker 1: we dropped another We hiked to water in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: think at that point things were pretty normal, and that

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Speaker 1: Do you want to describe what we saw at the

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Speaker 4: So basically, once we finished up in that area, we

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I was like maybe a ten minute drive,

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Speaker 4: Once we got back to the main road, Yeah, we

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Speaker 3: Of like keyed us in that, like, oh, like we

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Speaker 4: Be doing pretty well, like they were obviously very tired,

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Speaker 3: Two, We've got two more they fell behind.

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Speaker 4: So we gave these guys, you know again the normal

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Speaker 3: So another two guys came up.

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Speaker 4: We again gave them what supplies they seemed like they needed.

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Speaker 4: The the fifth guy in that group seemed to be

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Speaker 3: Of all of them.

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Speaker 4: then kind of just got that. All five of them

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Speaker 3: I didn't catch where they were from.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think once it's from Colombia. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talking of taking a turn, where don't we take

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Speaker 3: That's why they're paying you the big bucks.

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Speaker 2: That is. Yeah, I see did you see that? No,

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Speaker 1: Come all right, we are back. I hope that you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who would I do that? Don't go to chamber Causina. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: For us to put you in a vehicle. Yeah, you anywhere?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just like someone who's paid by my taxes and

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that was a bad day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So we get a portion of the way up

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Speaker 3: Were At this point, I think is when we realized like.

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Speaker 4: that there wasn't anybody else up there.

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00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 3: And then we were going to come back down to

445
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 3: check on them.

446
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 2: So we do that.

447
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 4: We go up to the top where you and some

448
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 4: other volunteers have built like a little shade structure to

449
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 4: try and just give people some relief.

450
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't built that one. I built that previous

451
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: one that got torn down. Okay, bye, some type of

452
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: cop lovely yeah great, really nice, really help. It wasn't

453
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: actually a cop, to be fat I'm pretty sure it was.

454
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: It was some other federal agency BLM or BP or someone.

455
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 4: But so when we got up to the top. We

456
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 4: didn't see anybody else. We couldn't find anybody up there.

457
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 4: We were doing our best to try and use our

458
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 4: language skills.

459
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: To Yeah, we were just shouting in various languages to

460
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: see if anyone needed help.

461
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 4: Then the CalFire guys met back up with us up there,

462
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 4: you know, figured out like, hey, like you know, we

463
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 4: we're not seeing anybody else. So you and I decided

464
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 4: that basically all we could do at that point was

465
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: go down the mountain and go further south to a

466
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 4: little town that's like pretty much right on the border.

467
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, it's literally a boat a crossing.

468
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we ended up, we drove down, checked in

469
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 4: on the women, the two women that were traveling down.

470
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 4: They seem to be doing about as okay as they

471
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 4: could at the time. Again, it's like, I don't know,

472
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 4: one hundred and five, Yeah, completely exposed up there.

473
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no tree co a, you're not getting any shape.

474
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 4: I don't I don't remember it being particularly windy at all.

475
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 3: So it's just like hot still still. Yeah, But we get.

476
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 4: Down the mountain kind of give everyone like the big

477
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 4: group that's there under the tree at the bridge at

478
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 4: the bottom heads up of what we're doing. We go

479
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 4: into this little town and like again like tiny little place,

480
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 4: like it's basically from what I saw, just parking lots

481
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 4: and then like a gas station and border crossing.

482
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's it.

483
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 4: We went into this gas station and bought I think

484
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 4: like sixteen gallons worth of water.

485
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Livia had to go around the back to get

486
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: the rest of the water. Like we we took all

487
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: the gallons jugs they had.

488
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: They had one of those little like displays of like

489
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 4: I don't know, I think it was like little keebler

490
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 4: like cheese cracker sandwiches.

491
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 5: Like we just bought the whole display. Yeah, just to

492
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 5: try and give people some some more food. And then

493
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 5: from there, like we just high tailed it back to

494
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 5: the bridge, like distributed out some more water, checked in

495
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 5: with them again, just like explained like we're going back up.

496
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: And as we were going.

497
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 4: Back up the mountain, we started seeing these like little

498
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 4: rain drops hitting our windshield. Yeah, like oh that that

499
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: can't be good, you know, so we continue up. When

500
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 4: we when we found the two women, they were both

501
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 4: just kind of lying in some shade just.

502
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 3: On the road.

503
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was not a good scene.

504
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so we got out, we mixed I think

505
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 4: it was we got one gallon of cold water and

506
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: then we took another of the gallon jugs and just

507
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 4: mixed up like a full thing with some catorade powder

508
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 4: we found in your truck. Yeah, and just kind of

509
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 4: sat down with them, and then we got help with

510
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 4: some translation over the phone, trying to like talk to

511
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: these women figure out like what exactly was going on.

512
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 3: Because one of them kept like kind of pointing to her.

513
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: Chest, yeah, and she was doing the like thump thump thump,

514
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah she was concerning. Yeah.

515
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 4: You know, like through through the help we got translating

516
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 4: over the phone, just basically explained like we like we

517
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 4: just absolutely cannot transport to like we we want nothing

518
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 4: more in this world than to be able to take

519
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: you down the mountain, but we just can't.

520
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I would very happily put those ladies in

521
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: my truck and driven them down, like it that would

522
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: have considerably improved my day to do that, because it

523
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: is fucking heartbreaking trying to tell someone they have to

524
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: keep walking when they're maybe halfway down and they're like

525
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: just lying there, exhausted, ready to I don't know what

526
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: just give up.

527
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, it fucking sucks. It sucks.

528
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: We now know that several people died that day and

529
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: the day before and the day after. I guess I

530
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how many because the medical examiner hasn't confirmed,

531
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to say their names or really

532
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: much about the location beyond that because I want to

533
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: respect the privacy of their remains and their family.

534
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so.

535
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: Until we hear from them, I won't. But like, it's

536
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: I found out some people had died in the vicinity

537
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: of where we were, and I don't know exactly where

538
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: it's people died.

539
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: I don't know who they were, but.

540
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: Like it's a really fucking hard thing to say with Like,

541
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: I think those people we helpful, probably, Okay, I think

542
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: between the fact that as we'll get onto a giant

543
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: thunderstorm soak soaks them to the degree that we had

544
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: to give them like ponchos, and then but just having

545
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: to deal with like I would happily if driven up

546
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: and down that road all day, but people in my

547
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: truck wouldn't bother me in the slightest. We're not not

548
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: able to. And somebody's journey ended in tragedy, and like

549
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, like we we try our best

550
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: rather a lot, and it's not we do more than enough.

551
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying that, like I said, it's on

552
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: any way on us, but like we would love to

553
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: do more if they would let us. And like shit

554
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: like that, like not began to put people in the vehicle.

555
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: It's just it's just hard to live with, you know,

556
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: when you're sitting in bed at night or whatever your dinner,

557
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: like it sucks.

558
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, because like there's I feel like there's this

559
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 4: picture like when you talk about San Diego just kind

560
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: of southern California in general, it's oh, like it's sunny beaches,

561
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: it's nice.

562
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: Days, like it's mild weather year round.

563
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 4: But as we've said multiple times at this point, like

564
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 4: it gets fucking hot. It gets It was one hundred

565
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: and five degrees on that mountain. A thunderstorm rolled in,

566
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: and in a matter of I don't know, twenty thirty minutes,

567
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 4: our conversation went from like, oh, like I hope they

568
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 4: are you know, are not coming down with like a

569
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 4: heat illness or you know, gonna get heatstroke, to like,

570
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: oh shit, like are they gonna go hyperthermic?

571
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: Like what do.

572
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 4: What do we have to get them warm? We're trying

573
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: to cool them down. Now we're trying to warm them up.

574
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 4: Like what kind of cruel joke is this?

575
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it does seem like this most perverse thing

576
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: to be. Like then worried about fucking lightning on the

577
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: other side of the valley, you know, like it was

578
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: insane just from like we then we carried on up

579
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: the mountain, dropped some water, and then returned down to

580
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: check on these women again. And when we were at

581
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: the top of the mountain, we could look down on

582
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: the thunderstorm. Yeah, see it beneath us. And then yeah,

583
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: we drove into it and like just what an apocalyptic

584
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: scenario to be in, you know, like it's jumping with rain,

585
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: triple digit temperatures and or you have the only thing

586
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: you're allowed to do is walk, like it was difficult.

587
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: And then like I guess the last thing the last

588
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: person we ran into as we came down the mountain

589
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: was the guy who'd been pleading with us to go

590
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: help them. Yeah, God, and like had decided Border patrol

591
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: had collected everyone to take them to process them right

592
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: for their asylum claim and that we've heard on this

593
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: podcast before about what it's like when that happens. It's

594
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: not nice, it's not a pleasant stay. It's now considerably worse.

595
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: I imagine people are being moved to Texas. They stayed for weeks.

596
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: I met a young man a few months ago now

597
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: who was in detention for three or four weeks before,

598
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: I presume being deported back. I can't find any record

599
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: of him being released, which fucking sucks. So like this

600
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: guy had chosen not to go back, and instead he'd

601
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: chosen to hike back up the mountain without any food,

602
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: without any water, to try and rescue these women, which

603
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an incredibly selfless thing to do, but

604
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: he was in a bad, bad way, right.

605
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, because when we so we passed the two women

606
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 4: on the way down, kind of gave them little snacks

607
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: here they're like, just tried to encourage them as much

608
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: as we could. And then when we ran into this man,

609
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: he you know, kind of had that I don't know

610
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 4: what other word to use, but kind of like crazed

611
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: look in his eyes, like he wasn't sure, like yeah

612
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: I do I just go back down, like I can't

613
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 4: leave them, like I need to keep going, Like I

614
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: feel like I can't, and so we tried to get

615
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 4: him settled as much as we could.

616
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: We got them some water.

617
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 4: I think you dug out some like gummy worms or

618
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 4: something from one of your bags.

619
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it had a bag of hot It wasn't. It's

620
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: like an open back of harrabo that he was happy

621
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: to receive.

622
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, we're just did our best to

623
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 4: try and convince him to just kind of sit there

624
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: rest a little bit and you know, like assure him

625
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: that they're coming.

626
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: They're walking down now.

627
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: And it was honestly kind of beautiful the one woman

628
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 4: because the two women had kind of split up a

629
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: little bit while they were walking downhill. So the one

630
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: comes around the bend and like when they saw each other,

631
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: like he just kind of.

632
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: Like you could see like just everything about him just kind.

633
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: Of elevated, and he, you know, pepinist stuff, was like,

634
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: oh my god, like I'm so happy to see you.

635
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: And yeah, he got up because he'd just been kind

636
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: of slouched there almost like just looking exhausted.

637
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, So like seeing them kind of reunite was really nice,

638
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: and they had a quick conversation and seemed like they

639
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: kind of decided she was going to keep going down,

640
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: and you know he just seemed like energized by that

641
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 4: and decided to keep going up to find other woman

642
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 4: to make sure she made it down as well.

643
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was like not an easy choice, I'm sure

644
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: for him. Like like at that point, again, we were

645
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: out of food. We we mixed him up some gatorade.

646
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: I think we took the sugar backets from m E

647
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: and like mixed them in there and some salt, just

648
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: like try and give him, like I guess something some

649
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: fluid he could hold on too, so he doesn't get

650
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: hype and a tree make right, which is definitely something

651
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: when you see the amount of salt on people, like

652
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: the white crusting on them, like they're only drinking water

653
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: and they're not replacing electrolytes, like it becomes a concern. Yeah,

654
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: that I guess was us for the day, right, Like

655
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: we we drove home and like we don't get to

656
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: really find out how any one did and we don't

657
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: get to follow up, right, Like it's kind of not

658
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: how that works.

659
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's just one day.

660
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: Like I spoke to Raphael from and Helisted and he

661
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: was out on Monday, said it was just bad, right,

662
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: doing a search and rescue on Monday for a mother

663
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: and child and that they were able to rescue them,

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Speaker 1: And like, I felt like it was a value to

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Speaker 1: highlight what we saw in one day because it's it's

666
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Speaker 1: every day. I mean, it's cooled off now and Wednesday

667
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Speaker 1: it's well, that's hot, which is good, but it's every

668
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Speaker 1: day at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I guess, for like context, cooled off means

670
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Speaker 4: it's like load of mid nineties.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's still like it's still not

672
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Speaker 1: safe to make that hike without water. People are often

673
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Speaker 1: mugged right when they cross the border or sometimes before.

674
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Speaker 1: Sometimes they get their bags stolen. That often involves them

675
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Speaker 1: getting their water bottles stolen that they've taken with them

676
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Speaker 1: right and makest journey a lot more dangerous. They also

677
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Speaker 1: get their phone stolen, so even if they need help,

678
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Speaker 1: they can't call nine one one. Border Patrol sometimes has

679
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Speaker 1: like rescue beacons that you can press them and it

680
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Speaker 1: calls Border Patrol. On the route that we run for

681
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Speaker 1: the back half of the day, there are none of

682
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Speaker 1: those I saw, Like, I know, I came back and

683
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Speaker 1: then you know, I sort of tried to process my

684
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Speaker 1: day and get on with my life when you do.

685
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: And and I saw the presidential debate last night, and

686
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Speaker 1: it just makes me so fucking angry. I mean, we

687
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't expect anymore from these people. They're politicians. They don't

688
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: give a shit about you, they don't give a shit

689
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: about me, and they certainly don't care about these poor,

690
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: desperate people. And like, and it's then that people want

691
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Speaker 1: to vote for Kamala because maybe she's less bad than Trump.

692
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: But like, I have a real fucking hard time thinking

693
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Speaker 1: about the parents of the young man who died at

694
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Speaker 1: the border having to deal with Okay, well, she's less

695
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: bad than Trump.

696
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: Cool, it doesn't bring their baby boy back, you know, Like, and.

697
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Speaker 1: Just seeing both of them, Like, the whole framing of

698
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Speaker 1: the immigration discussion was how do we reduce numbers and

699
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Speaker 1: make it harder. They didn't entertain for a moment that

700
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Speaker 1: someone might come here because they've got nowhere else to

701
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Speaker 1: go and they need to be safe, or because they

702
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Speaker 1: want to work hard and have a better future for

703
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Speaker 1: their family. There are a million reasons to come here, right.

704
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Speaker 1: I came here to fucking do a PhD in Spanish history,

705
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Speaker 1: and no one made me race my bike.

706
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Speaker 2: No, no, one made me walk across the desert. You know,

707
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Speaker 2: it's the reasons.

708
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: Were a lot more valid than mine would And like I,

709
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Speaker 1: I guess, I guess we should take a commercial break.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're back.

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Speaker 1: I guess I want to finish up. You told me

712
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Speaker 1: a story about why you started volunteering, which I thought

713
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: was really meaningful and I'd like people to hear it.

714
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Speaker 1: Would you mind sharing that with everyone?

715
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, no problem.

716
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: So my grandmother on my father's side came to the

717
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Speaker 4: US from Panama to go to college. My grandma on

718
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Speaker 4: my mother's side. My understanding is they originally came to

719
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Speaker 4: the US because somewhere down the line they were German.

720
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Speaker 3: One of them was a duke.

721
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Speaker 4: Fell in love with you know, like a servant girl

722
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Speaker 4: or something, you know that old story. Yeah, got ostracized

723
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: from the family and fled to you know, the United States,

724
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 4: and so like even though looking at me like, I'm

725
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 4: a why does white can be freckles? And all right,

726
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 4: like my family it's immigrants like you go back, yeah,

727
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: like you know, as we all are. And this was

728
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen. I didn't know what I was doing. I

729
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 4: felt stuck in my job. I just kind of wanted

730
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Speaker 4: to get away from my family for you know, lack

731
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Speaker 4: of a better phrase, and I thought, hell, why not

732
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Speaker 4: the like why not the Peace Corps? Go do something

733
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: good on the government's dime. And you know, see the world,

734
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Speaker 4: it's you know, it's big, it's sexy, it's foreign.

735
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Speaker 3: And so I went.

736
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Speaker 4: I got placed in Swatini, which is a country in

737
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Speaker 4: southern Africa, and I was in the youth development sector there.

738
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Speaker 3: So I got placed.

739
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Speaker 4: I was working at a high school there and I

740
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 4: was having a conversation one day with the religion teacher

741
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: who just couldn't he could not understand the idea of

742
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 4: like why we don't teach religion in high schools in

743
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Speaker 4: the US. Like he's like, you know, how can you

744
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 4: learn to understand somebody else's point of view if you're

745
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 4: not allowed to learn about it. And so like talked

746
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Speaker 4: about like how we value the concept of separation of

747
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 4: church and state, and it just kind of got on

748
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Speaker 4: the topic of different viewpoints between our two cultures like that,

749
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 4: and this man looked at me and said, I feel

750
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 4: so blessed that there is a country in this world,

751
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: like the United States, where there's no poverty, nobody goes hungry.

752
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: Everybody has a job, and there are people like you willing.

753
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: To leave such a beautiful place to come here and

754
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Speaker 4: help us, which you know, naturally, I was like, oh,

755
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 4: like that's, you know, really nice of you to say.

756
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 4: But you know, like in the United States, like we

757
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 4: have people that go hungry, we you know, deal with poverty, homelessness,

758
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. And I'll never forget this guy

759
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: looked me dead in the eyes and just said like, oh,

760
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 4: then why are you here, Why aren't you at home

761
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Speaker 4: helping them? And it just kind of shattered me in this,

762
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 4: you know, like yeah, no, like you're right, Like I

763
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: totally and completely joined the Peace Corps for like these

764
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Speaker 4: super selfish reasons. And so, like I said, I was

765
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Speaker 4: there twenty nineteen, So I was there.

766
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you were.

767
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 4: The listeners heard about this thing called COVID and the

768
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: pandemic that happened, But I was part of the global

769
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Speaker 4: evacuation order that went out for Peace Corps or came

770
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Speaker 4: back to the US, moved around a little bit, and

771
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 4: last year I was listening to your podcast at work.

772
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Speaker 4: You interviewed a couple of people that do work with

773
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Speaker 4: Borderland's Relief Collective and just kind of thought to myself, well, like, shit,

774
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Speaker 4: I live near there, Like I can carry stuff in

775
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Speaker 4: a backpack, Like I know how to hike, you know,

776
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Speaker 4: why not me?

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Speaker 3: Why not go see how I can help out?

778
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Speaker 4: And you know, it's been a year and some change

779
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Speaker 4: at this point that I've been with the group, and

780
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Speaker 4: you know, like it's not like I've got some big

781
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Speaker 4: fancy degree in like international relations or anything like that.

782
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: I'm just a I'm some guy.

783
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Speaker 4: I'm a graphic I'm a graphic designer that can carry

784
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Speaker 4: stuff at a backpack. Yeah, but you know that makes

785
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 4: all the difference sometimes. Yeah, it's just being willing to

786
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Speaker 4: go out there and you know, like put that compassion

787
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Speaker 4: to you know.

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Speaker 3: To work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it like we just two dudes with

790
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Speaker 1: the truck and like a credit card to buy water bottles.

791
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't take brilliant or command. I speak a

792
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Speaker 1: couple of other languages, but often like maybe I'll make

793
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Speaker 1: the image for this show my Google Translate app for

794
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Speaker 1: that day. We were just using the tools that most

795
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Speaker 1: of us have, right like, and it doesn't have to

796
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Speaker 1: be at the border obviously, lots of people listen I'm

797
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: the border, but like things would be so much worse

798
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: there if local folks didn't just take it upon themselves

799
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Speaker 1: to do the things that the state refuses to do.

800
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Speaker 1: And like that applies to the unhoused population too, write

801
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Speaker 1: like I know my friends were also carrying water for

802
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Speaker 1: them this weekend because it was hot trying to get

803
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Speaker 1: and the city shut down the Homelessness Resource Center because

804
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: the temperatures were too high for the stuff, which is

805
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: fucking just something else. But I don't think we should

806
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: expect anymore from the state. That's not what it's for.

807
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: It's not to keep us safe. It's to keep capital safe.

808
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Speaker 1: It's to keep else safe. It's to keep a certain

809
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: class of people's faith. And it camouflages itself and all

810
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: these institutions which say they're there to look after us.

811
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Speaker 1: But like when it comes down to it, like when

812
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: those ladies are lying on the dirt, it's just two

813
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: toots in a truck kind of scrounge around for gatorade, right,

814
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: And like I want people listening. I know I harp

815
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: on this a lot, but like the only way that

816
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: we fix it is you. It's not someone else. It's

817
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: not posting I would love it if you could donate, right,

818
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: I'll include a link in the show.

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Speaker 2: That'd be great.

820
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Speaker 1: But I would love it so much more if you

821
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: could do something wherever you are, Like, just don't think

822
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: that anyone doing this is special, Like, of course the

823
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: things that I think they're special, people enjoy spending time

824
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: with them. But like, you could do it too. There's

825
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: nothing that's inherently stopping you from doing it. And it

826
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who wins the election, right, it really doesn't matter.

827
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Speaker 1: Every year that Joe Biden has been president, more people

828
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: have died than the year before. And he was the

829
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: guy who was supposed to be kind. He didn't even

830
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Speaker 1: run on a harsh border policy. Harris is running on

831
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Speaker 1: a half border policy. It's only going to get worse.

832
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Speaker 1: She's even renegged on building more wall, like they are

833
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: beginning to construct wall around her cumber in the places

834
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: where we looked after people last winter. So that'll push

835
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Speaker 1: people to Valley of the Moon, where it is impassable terrain,

836
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: where more people will die in the cold and more

837
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Speaker 1: people will die in the heat. And I guess we'll

838
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Speaker 1: probably be out there too trying to help them. But

839
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Speaker 1: I just want everyone listening like, I know we've covered

840
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: the election a lot. It doesn't I don't want to

841
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: tell you it doesn't matter. I'm sure it matters, like

842
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: it matters for my friends in Kurdistan who Trump fucking

843
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: abandoned left to die after they gave thousands of their

844
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Speaker 1: children to fight.

845
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Speaker 2: Isis right?

846
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Speaker 1: But even if Harris wins, like, donations went down so

847
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: much in the Biden earror compared to to Trumpira and

848
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: people died in the desert, people died in Tijuana, right,

849
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: because that's what this system does. But people stop caring

850
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: when a lot of big commercial networks start reporting on it.

851
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: And I would like you will still to care whoever

852
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: win the election. I'd like you will still to care

853
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: before the election. And the way you can show that

854
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: you carry showing up for your community whatever it is, right,

855
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: Homona isn't going to fucking solve homelessness. OI there. So yeah,

856
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: you got anything to leave people with if anything you

857
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Speaker 1: want to you want to say, want to plug just.

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Speaker 4: You know, order lands relief, collective order, kindness, Raphael's group,

859
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Speaker 4: the anhelas the Desier though, I think, yeah, you know,

860
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Speaker 4: just if you can come out like if you're in

861
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Speaker 4: the area. If you can come out, you can help great.

862
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: Like the more people that carry supplies, the more we

863
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 4: can leave. If you're not in the area or you know,

864
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 4: like hiking and carrying heavy things is not what you're into.

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Speaker 4: Donating always super appreciated. I know, specifically Order Lands Relief

866
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Speaker 4: collect of every single cent that is donated to us

867
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Speaker 4: goes to supplies that we leave for migrants. And even

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Speaker 4: if it's only a few dollars, I mean, like we're

869
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Speaker 4: talking bottled water. I mean the sixteen gallons of water

870
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Speaker 4: that we bought I think ended up running somewhere in

871
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Speaker 4: ballpark like fifty bucks. Like yeah, you know, like it's

872
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: it's water, gatorade. Sometimes it's you know, off brand gatorade.

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Speaker 4: So like a few dollars can go a long way,

874
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Speaker 4: and that long way could mean saving someone's life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. So you know, whatever you can give I

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Speaker 1: would be appreciated. I know our friend Befael from Lochanngelestill, Desierto,

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Speaker 1: is his vehicle broke this weekend. He does search and rescue.

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Speaker 1: I gave you got a few bucks, and you want

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Speaker 1: to pass him his way. It's Los A Hills, like

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Speaker 1: the town del Desierto or that in the link too,

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Speaker 1: but we'll put both those in the show notes. Please

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Speaker 1: do whatever you can and yeah, hopefully next time I

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Speaker 1: talked to you about what stuff, it'll be better than you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, James.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks man.

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