Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky
Speaker 1: and Rhett here full transparency. The pod is in the can.
Speaker 1: But as we finished the podcast, we had some breaking
Speaker 1: news that came down, which it always happens this way.
Speaker 1: The Las Vegas Raiders have decided to move on from
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce as their head coach. This is a team
Speaker 1: that desperately needs to find their quarterback of the future.
Speaker 1: They now are in search of a head coach. So
Speaker 1: the guys didn't have a chance to weigh on on this.
Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of other content they're going to
Speaker 1: weigh in here on the rest of this episode. I
Speaker 1: think you guys are enjoying that. But this just went
Speaker 1: down and I want to give you my quick take
Speaker 1: on it before we get to the rest of the pod.
Speaker 1: This to me is a tough decision. You didn't really
Speaker 1: have a chance if you're Antonio Pierce with what you had.
Speaker 1: You didn't have a quarterback in place, You had all
Speaker 1: those injuries on the defensive line. Look, Christian Wilkins only
Speaker 1: played four or five games. Malcolm konsmissed the whole seat,
Speaker 1: and Max Crosby arguably the best defensive line in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's out after you know, twelve or so weeks, so
Speaker 1: you miss a big chunk of your defensive line. You
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback. There's roster holes all over the place,
Speaker 1: and I think Tom Tellska would admit, like, we're you know,
Speaker 1: he just got this job. They are in the build
Speaker 1: up phase here. They need to acquire a lot more
Speaker 1: talent to have a chance to win. The challenge would
Speaker 1: be if you have Antonio Pierce back and what looks
Speaker 1: like potentially could be a lame duck year, how are
Speaker 1: you going to attract the right offensive coordinator to come
Speaker 1: in and help whoever your quarterback is going to be
Speaker 1: next year? I think they're kind of and no man's
Speaker 1: land in the draft. Is that a veteran quarterback that
Speaker 1: they're going to bring in there. I've had you know,
Speaker 1: conversations around the league and kicked around ideas of what
Speaker 1: quarterbacks make sense for what teams, and I've actually lobbied for,
Speaker 1: you know, the Raiders. The one that makes sense there
Speaker 1: is justin fields. You have the makings of what could
Speaker 1: be a good defense if you get these guys back healthy,
Speaker 1: Maybe you go into the defense with your first round pick,
Speaker 1: Field's ability to just run around, make some plays, you know,
Speaker 1: find a way to just generate some offense that way
Speaker 1: to compliment what could be a really good defense. He
Speaker 1: would be a nice bridge quarterback as you're you know,
Speaker 1: waiting for maybe a better quarterback draft class to find
Speaker 1: your quarterback of the future. So just one thought there.
Speaker 1: As the Raiders have decided to move on from Antonio Pierce.
Speaker 1: Without further ado, let's get to the rest of the
Speaker 1: podcast with my buddies RHT Lewis and Bucky Brooks. What's up, everybody,
Speaker 1: Welcome to move to stick DJ, Bucky, Rhett, guys as
Speaker 1: those that focus on personnel, focus on the draft, and
Speaker 1: focus on team building. This is a big week of
Speaker 1: change and Buck, I'll get to you right off the
Speaker 1: top here because we had our lineup all ready to
Speaker 1: go what we're going to talk about, and just a
Speaker 1: little bit before we started this show, the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 1: sprung one on us here, Ran Carthon, friend of the show.
Speaker 1: He's let go with the Tennessee Titans as their executive
Speaker 1: vice president and general manager after only two seasons. With
Speaker 1: the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, this is a remarkable story because you talk
Speaker 2: about such a quick hook, you're really talking about two
Speaker 2: off seasons where you have an opportunity to put your
Speaker 2: stamp on the team and you let go before you
Speaker 2: really even able to kind of get to the vision
Speaker 2: that you have for the team. This is a team
Speaker 2: that had salary cap issues. They really didn't have a
Speaker 2: solid plan in terms of what they wanted to do
Speaker 2: when rand took over, and he doesn't get a chance
Speaker 2: to see it. And I understand the quick nature of
Speaker 2: the league. Normally it used to be that the coaches
Speaker 2: were on the more volatile end of the spectrum. But
Speaker 2: now you're seeing that people have really quick hooks, short leashes.
Speaker 2: For general managers, even though they kind of bring the
Speaker 2: players to it, the coaches are the ones that really
Speaker 2: are responsible for the product that you see on the field.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, when you look back to the
Speaker 3: last couple of years, you know, you kind of wonder
Speaker 3: about the vision, right John Robinson, Mike Vrabel, you know,
Speaker 3: were there and they had some success together. Felt like
Speaker 3: maybe there was you know, strife between you know, different
Speaker 3: factions of the of the building there and John Robinson's
Speaker 3: let go Vrabel. Not long after is gone, in comes
Speaker 3: karth On, you know, and then you know, they hire
Speaker 3: Brian Callahan, and now there's you know, there there seems
Speaker 3: to be at least a divergent path here on where
Speaker 3: they were going. Now, if this provides some clarity, if
Speaker 3: this provides them that the path to the vision that
Speaker 3: they want to get to, then you know, so be it.
Speaker 3: But man, it feels like there's just been a push
Speaker 3: and a pull and a tug and not all in
Speaker 3: the right direction, or not at least all in the
Speaker 3: same direction, uh in Tennessee. And maybe this brings them
Speaker 3: a step closer to it with them owning the number
Speaker 3: one overall pick DJ also kind of curious as to
Speaker 3: you know, your thoughts on how much that might have
Speaker 3: played a role in this, you know, seeing the statement
Speaker 3: from from Brinker, who's going to have sounds like a
Speaker 3: bigger role in kind of deciding the vision of this
Speaker 3: of this franchise. Like, you know, there was a very distinct,
Speaker 3: you know, piece of that statement talking about talent.
Speaker 4: Evaluation at the highest level, and now they got to
Speaker 4: do that with the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of times when you see change. There's
Speaker 1: quarterback issues, and this is a team that took Will
Speaker 1: Levis in the second round the year before and then
Speaker 1: sat out the quarterback market this past year, which now
Speaker 1: as we've had a chance to see it, you look at,
Speaker 1: you look at and go, okay, well, they decided to
Speaker 1: take JC Latham the tackle, they decided to run it
Speaker 1: back with Will Levis, which costs them an opportunity at
Speaker 1: Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy, Bo Nicks and McCarthy. Obviously we
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to see this year due to injury.
Speaker 1: But when you have bo Nicks light in the world
Speaker 1: on fire, and you have Penick showing a lot of
Speaker 1: promise to guys who have I think most everybody would
Speaker 1: agree would be better football players than what you have
Speaker 1: on campus there with Will Levis. I think that's part
Speaker 1: of the calculus there, miscalculating uh there, and then there's
Speaker 1: you know, that's how people end up losing their jobs.
Speaker 1: But it this organization buck when you look at one
Speaker 1: decision can alter a franchise, and when people say that,
Speaker 1: they think, oh, you selected a quarterback, that was the
Speaker 1: decision all No, the one decision alter to their franchise.
Speaker 1: Is trading aj Brown, Like this thing has gone nowhere
Speaker 1: but down since that one specific mood move, which then
Speaker 1: seemed like that was where Rabel was not happy. So
Speaker 1: then Rabel's gone, and then you're like, okay. If you're
Speaker 1: the Titans, you're like, well, wait a second. Now that
Speaker 1: jobs are open, the guy that we let go seems
Speaker 1: to be the number one candidate on the market, So
Speaker 1: maybe we screwed that up. Maybe we shouldn't have fired
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel.
Speaker 4: But all that.
Speaker 1: Stuff circles back to that same that same trade that
Speaker 1: kind of disrupted what they had going there, which was
Speaker 1: a good bit of success.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean when you think about, like you.
Speaker 2: Guys are talking about the quarterback position and the mistakes
Speaker 2: that are made a lot of times when you try
Speaker 2: to go on the cheap right, we try not to
Speaker 2: go in the first round because we're trying to get
Speaker 2: the player where the town is suggested he is.
Speaker 5: But it still doesn't change anything once they get onto
Speaker 5: the field.
Speaker 2: We judged him like we judge all franchise quarterbacks, and
Speaker 2: necessarily nothing really fair to the player or to the
Speaker 2: people that brought the player in. I think the lesson
Speaker 2: to be learned and Brian dave All said this a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago when they won a game with
Speaker 2: Drew Locke quarterback.
Speaker 5: He was like, your team goes basically.
Speaker 2: As the quarterback goes, and if you have good quarterback play,
Speaker 2: typically your team is good. I think the lesson to
Speaker 2: be learned is you better make sure that the quarterback
Speaker 2: that you select in any round, from anywhere in free
Speaker 2: agency or whatever is good enough to win games. Otherwise
Speaker 2: you're going to be judged for and when it doesn't
Speaker 2: go your way, you're also are going to be out
Speaker 2: the door, just like the quarterback.
Speaker 3: I just want one little piece, one business piece of
Speaker 3: this thing here. The Tennessee Titans have broken ground on
Speaker 3: a brand new stadium and they are trying to sell
Speaker 3: PSLs right now too. And just from some things that
Speaker 3: I've heard there in the Nashville area from the folks
Speaker 3: that you know, it's it's expensive, and I don't know
Speaker 3: what the demand has been, But if you want to
Speaker 3: generate some juice in your organization, you want to make
Speaker 3: the right pick with the number one overall selection. You
Speaker 3: want to go get your quarter back of the future
Speaker 3: and have that thing all ready to go and building
Speaker 3: towards some real positivity when you move.
Speaker 4: Into that building.
Speaker 3: You know, these are also things I think you have
Speaker 3: to consider because there is a business side of it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and right now I think, yeah, I haven't looked
Speaker 1: at I don't look at markets or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I would imagine cam Ward is the favorite at
Speaker 1: this point in time to be the first pick, and
Speaker 1: that'll kick off a new era and hopefully whoever they
Speaker 1: decide at that position, they get it fixed, because if
Speaker 1: you want to generate some excitement and sell those bsls,
Speaker 1: it starts with getting that position right. And that is
Speaker 1: the challenge for a team that holds the first overall pick.
Speaker 1: All right, lots of other things to get to here, Rhett,
Speaker 1: I'll circle back to you because you spent time in
Speaker 1: the market, so I'll give you priority here. New England
Speaker 1: girod Mayo. He is out your thoughts on that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, surprised that it only lasted a year,
Speaker 3: But I think the more you unpack and kind of
Speaker 3: dig into the tumult that was going on over that
Speaker 3: one year, maybe you start to see it a little bit.
Speaker 3: And you know, it did feel like there was, you know,
Speaker 3: some timing issues with the way that the Belichick departure
Speaker 3: happened and the way that this was going to work
Speaker 3: for Girod Mayo, that that led to this point here.
Speaker 3: This was not a talented roster. We have talked about
Speaker 3: that on this show a lot. How much of that
Speaker 3: falls on Girod Mayo, You know, I don't know. So
Speaker 3: were there some missteps in the way that maybe he
Speaker 3: had publicly described and handled things? Yeah, I think so,
Speaker 3: But again, first year head coach, I think, you know,
Speaker 3: you'd like to see him get the opportunity to have
Speaker 3: a better shot with a better roster. And I think
Speaker 3: that's what Robert Kraft was alluding to when he said he,
Speaker 3: you know, he had to apologize this was one of
Speaker 3: the hardest things he's had to do and just did
Speaker 3: not see the growth though, and felt like it was
Speaker 3: necessary to make the move. You know, also wonder how
Speaker 3: much Mike Rabel's availability he played a role in all
Speaker 3: this as well. But I know that Girod Mayo was
Speaker 3: beloved in that locker room when I was there, when
Speaker 3: he was a player, he was a great leader on
Speaker 3: that team, and I feel like he'll find his way
Speaker 3: back to being a great leader on the sidelines here
Speaker 3: for someone else here pretty soon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's unfortunately for Girodmeo that it didn't go his way.
Speaker 2: When I think about it, part of this was, you know,
Speaker 2: the copycat nature of the league, where you have someone
Speaker 2: have success, so everyone to look towards Detroit former player
Speaker 2: and Dan Campbell, who's a quote unquote leader of men
Speaker 2: installed as head coach. The Lions get up and going,
Speaker 2: and so you kind of see that trend going. You
Speaker 2: have Demico Bryants make the move. You now have Gerroi
Speaker 2: Mayo and Antonio Peers. Mayo is out and maybe Pierce's
Speaker 2: following him out the door soon.
Speaker 5: And what it.
Speaker 2: Does, though, is those guys won't get an opportunity, And
Speaker 2: so it's really important when you have those jobs, you're
Speaker 2: ready for those jobs. And for Gerard and Mayo stepping
Speaker 2: in behind what we will say is the greatest coach
Speaker 2: that we've ever seen in pro football, there was going
Speaker 2: to be a drop off in the level of coaching,
Speaker 2: and some of the whispers that you got from the
Speaker 2: locker room was a level of concern about the coaching
Speaker 2: and the teaching that they were getting. And anyone who
Speaker 2: comes behind Bill Belichick it's certainly not going to be
Speaker 2: as polished as button up as committed to dotting the
Speaker 2: i's and crossing the.
Speaker 5: T's as a six time Super Bowl champion.
Speaker 2: But Mayo had to understand that, and he had to
Speaker 2: understand that you better make sure that you have everything
Speaker 2: lined up correctly, because look, you can be George, you
Speaker 2: can be judged based on what your predecessor did and
Speaker 2: when you go like the Patriots did this year regards
Speaker 2: to what we say the roster was, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, people judge you on wins and losses,
Speaker 2: and it certainly wasn't good enough for what they're expecting
Speaker 2: in New England.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had an argument yesterday with someone about this
Speaker 1: job because I'd said it was I thought it was
Speaker 1: the best job because of three things.
Speaker 5: You've got.
Speaker 1: Drake may got the quarterbacks that I think's got a
Speaker 1: chance to be special. You've got the most salary cap
Speaker 1: space of any team in the league. I think it's
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty something million dollars in the space
Speaker 1: to go out and fill a lot on.
Speaker 4: The all sense of line, spend it.
Speaker 1: Yes, So go spend it all there. And then you've
Speaker 1: got the fourth overall picks. You got a top five
Speaker 1: pick to go along with that, not to mention a
Speaker 1: history of a winning culture there that you have to
Speaker 1: believe there's remnants of that that still around that building.
Speaker 1: I argued, Buck, it's a really good job. The pushback
Speaker 1: I got was, you have the rest of the roster stinks.
Speaker 1: There's been turmoil in the organization. The fact you have
Speaker 1: a one and done coach says that it's not well
Speaker 1: run at the very top. So it was an interesting
Speaker 1: discussion there. Where's your viewpoint what kind of job this is?
Speaker 5: Look?
Speaker 2: Man, I think, to be honest, I think all these
Speaker 2: jobs can be good jobs if you understand exactly what
Speaker 2: you're walking into. I think is really important that when
Speaker 2: you arepective, hey, a coach, you do understand who's in charge,
Speaker 2: how the thing is run, and you know why the
Speaker 2: previous people have failed in those roles. I think whoever
Speaker 2: replaces Jeri Mayo has to look at not only the
Speaker 2: on field product, but the people that are around you,
Speaker 2: your general manager, the people in administration, to support staff,
Speaker 2: and what can I do to make sure that we
Speaker 2: are all pulling the boat in the right direction. If
Speaker 2: you get the alignment that you want with, then you
Speaker 2: can succeed. So we can talk about Drake maybeing terrific.
Speaker 2: They do have a boldlold of cast base and I
Speaker 2: believe that Elliott Woolf and Alonzo high Smith are really
Speaker 2: good at talent evaluators. But I still think you have
Speaker 2: to understand how can I do this with what I
Speaker 2: have until I get what I want on the field?
Speaker 2: That is the trick, because you got to win because
Speaker 2: people don't have the patience to deal with the loser
Speaker 2: in any capacity.
Speaker 1: I want to hit Buck real quick on this and
Speaker 1: then we'll move on from this topic. But I was
Speaker 1: just thinking about this helped me with the timeline of
Speaker 1: Carolina basketball.
Speaker 4: Buck.
Speaker 1: So you had Dean Smith right then was it Guthridge?
Speaker 1: And then it wasn't going as well? You know I
Speaker 1: had not as well, so they stayed in the family.
Speaker 1: But there was somebody else in the family who was
Speaker 1: out at another school who had had success in Roy Williams,
Speaker 1: and that was This is exact same thing, Am I not?
Speaker 1: Am I mistaken here? If Rabel ends up being that guy.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, the timeline is a little different.
Speaker 2: It was Dean Smith, Guthrie, then it was mad Doherty,
Speaker 2: who was remember that we quickly that we quickly got
Speaker 2: rid of to then get Roy Williams back, and so, yeah,
Speaker 2: I understand which is it and there is something to that.
Speaker 2: I just never thought that this would be a job
Speaker 2: that Mike Rabel would want to take, just because of
Speaker 2: the mormous pressure that is on you when you step
Speaker 2: into those shoes that Bill Belichick left. Those footprints are massive,
Speaker 2: and for the Patriots fans, they expect to win at
Speaker 2: an unprecedented level. The six Super Bowls have spored them
Speaker 2: to the point where they think they should go every
Speaker 2: two or three years to the super Bowl. That's not
Speaker 2: realistic in today's NFL, but that is what the expectation
Speaker 2: is going to be when you take that job in
Speaker 2: New Ink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen a lot of former players step up
Speaker 1: in the front office and run teams for those teams.
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, I don't think of
Speaker 1: many that have their you know, that are in the
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor and they're going to take over and
Speaker 1: be the head coach of the team that they're in
Speaker 1: the Ring of honor for. As a player, it's a
Speaker 1: unique situation. Ratt Hold on here, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: forgetting about you. But the fact that we're doing Jacksonville next,
Speaker 1: I feel like Bucky, Yeah, I'll just I'll open the floor.
Speaker 1: What the heck is going on?
Speaker 4: Popcorner?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so let's have an honest and transparent conversation
Speaker 2: about what took place in Jacksonville. Jacksonville released Doug Peterson
Speaker 2: from relieved him of his duties. Shakan, the owner, decided
Speaker 2: to keep Trent balky On, and I think for anyone
Speaker 2: I would I would suggest go look at the press
Speaker 2: conference that shat Khan had on Monday after the dismissal,
Speaker 2: and that will tell you everything that you need to
Speaker 2: know about why the team kept Trent balky On. Sha
Speaker 2: Khan talked about his centers of influence to people that
Speaker 2: he leans on when it comes to football are Trent
Speaker 2: Balki and then Ethan Waugh, and so naturally it is
Speaker 2: going to be hard for him to dismiss them when
Speaker 2: you really trust them with you know, the the jobs
Speaker 2: that they've done in terms of building the team. There
Speaker 2: is talent there. They certainly have a talented roster to
Speaker 2: have some blue chip players and those things I would
Speaker 2: say that you still need to upgrade it but there's
Speaker 2: some pieces in place for the team to win.
Speaker 5: Where this all came undone is when.
Speaker 2: You had to collapse in twenty twenty three and then
Speaker 2: you just fail to play well in twenty twenty four, five,
Speaker 2: and eighteen. In your last twenty three games, you lose
Speaker 2: ten games by one score this season. You just couldn't
Speaker 2: see where things were going to turn it around, and
Speaker 2: that's why.
Speaker 5: They it led to the change.
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest surprise is that Trent Balki
Speaker 2: is now hiring his third coach in five years.
Speaker 5: With the Jaguars.
Speaker 2: Most gms don't get multiple bites at the apple when
Speaker 2: it comes to selecting head coaches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, just I don't think I could say
Speaker 3: it any better than you did, But they got to
Speaker 3: find someone like pushing this forward. They got to find
Speaker 3: someone who brings out what they expected to be elite
Speaker 3: play from Trevor Lawrence. I felt like we saw the
Speaker 3: times with Doug Peterson, certainly more than we did, you know,
Speaker 3: in Trevor's rookie year with that whole coaching debacle. But
Speaker 3: this has got to be the priority for this franchise,
Speaker 3: and that you've already paid Trevor Lawrence like an elite player,
Speaker 3: and now you've got to go get that out of them, right,
Speaker 3: because that's the only way to kind of salvage this
Speaker 3: thing here from being just a total breakdown and rebuild.
Speaker 3: So that to me is what's on the docket here.
Speaker 3: I don't know who that. I don't know that they're
Speaker 3: going to be. Are they in that position to go
Speaker 3: get one of these top flight names. Are they in
Speaker 3: the Ben Johnson market? Are they in you know, the
Speaker 3: market to find one of these top offensive minds to
Speaker 3: come in there and kind of, you know, get Trevor
Speaker 3: Lawrence going the way that they expect him to play.
Speaker 4: I don't that that to me is obviously priority one. Diach.
Speaker 1: I just maybe it's because I just went through it
Speaker 1: with the Chargers, and I just saw a head coach
Speaker 1: and general manager come in together with complete alignment, with
Speaker 1: a background in history that mirrored one another, with shared values,
Speaker 1: and I saw him turn it around. I watched Washington
Speaker 1: go out and get a general manager and a head
Speaker 1: coach put him in together. Let Adam Peters get someone
Speaker 1: here he's very comfortable with that he is in alignment
Speaker 1: with and Dan Quinn and they hit the ground running.
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, you know, the benefactors were the
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, Justin Herbert and Jaden Daniels, who both had
Speaker 1: excellent seasons. Because guess what, we're all speaking the same language.
Speaker 1: We're all rolling the boat in the same direction. To
Speaker 1: attract a big time candidate for this job without being
Speaker 1: more alignment there with the front office, I think is
Speaker 1: going to be a challenge. And it's interesting because if
Speaker 1: you'd have said a week ago, if it's a clean
Speaker 1: it's a clean slate there, I would say it's arguably
Speaker 1: the most attractive job, you know, because of all the
Speaker 1: different pieces that they have in place there. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's we'll see how it all works the
Speaker 1: other way that it happened. You know, Look, Denver goes
Speaker 1: out and gets Sean Payton, even though had George Peyton there,
Speaker 1: but Sean Payton's such a large presence. He came in
Speaker 1: there and there was no way if he wanted, he
Speaker 1: had the power to make the decision on George Payton's future.
Speaker 1: Now that's going to be the message they're going to
Speaker 1: have to send if they want to get a big
Speaker 1: time coach to come in there, that hey, if it's
Speaker 1: up to you. You survey the landscape, you want to
Speaker 1: make changes, you can make changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think it's really important because both of
Speaker 2: you guys have mentioned the quarterback and making sure you
Speaker 2: get the quarterback up and running. But I believe it's
Speaker 2: bigger than the quarterback because you can keep swapping play
Speaker 2: calls and changing.
Speaker 5: People out at the top.
Speaker 2: But to me, and looking at the teams are the
Speaker 2: most successful, they're culture builders. They're guys that create the
Speaker 2: alignment within the building. They also hold each of the
Speaker 2: players to a standard that is high, that is at
Speaker 2: a championship level, and then they're able to get maximum
Speaker 2: played from the team, which makes the quarterback better. I
Speaker 2: don't know what Trevor Lawrence's ceiling is. I've seen him
Speaker 2: have like great highs where he's played like a top five,
Speaker 2: top ten quarterback, but I've also seen him deal with
Speaker 2: injuries and those things. To me, the best thing that
Speaker 2: you can do in Jacksonville is build a team that
Speaker 2: isn't wholly quarterback dependent, that allows the running game to
Speaker 2: do some things, the defense to do things, and then
Speaker 2: you're asking Trevor to be a complimentary piece as opposed
Speaker 2: to the entire piece of the puzzle. If you're able
Speaker 2: to do that, then you can win. But I think
Speaker 2: you have to be careful of trying to put too
Speaker 2: much on the quarterback and say that he is going
Speaker 2: to be the superhero that saves today. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Number sixteen can do that in that environment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would follow the Chargers blueprint, which was taken
Speaker 1: uber talented quarterback and Justin Herbert who had been knocked
Speaker 1: around a bunch, and take it off of his plate.
Speaker 1: We're gonna run the ball, We're gonna invest in the
Speaker 1: offensive line, We're gonna protect you. And then guess what
Speaker 1: when it's go time, when it's the last couple weeks
Speaker 1: of the regular season and we're going to go into
Speaker 1: the postseason, put your foot on the gas. You're healthy,
Speaker 1: and we're rocking and rolling. That's the Trevor Lawrence formula
Speaker 1: for me. Already, it's already out there. Just copy the blueprint.
Speaker 1: What took place with the Los Angeles Chargers, Rhett hit
Speaker 1: you on this one. Giants Colts both decide stay coach
Speaker 1: GM No changes made a more surprising move to you
Speaker 1: between those two organizations.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna say I think it was more
Speaker 3: surprising in Indye that everyone's staying.
Speaker 4: Least in New York. You have a year where you.
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, this actually did work right in Brian dables
Speaker 3: first year, Joe Shane's first year.
Speaker 4: Now it hasn't worked since.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I think you start to bring into question,
Speaker 3: you know, sustainability and how you've built it that way. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the sake one Barkley mess this year kind of painted
Speaker 3: that in a really bad light. Separating yourself from that.
Speaker 3: You know, they need to get the quarterback right. And
Speaker 3: I think that one's a really interesting one because you know,
Speaker 3: if you read the tea leaves there for John Mara,
Speaker 3: you know, the way he's talking about it felt like
Speaker 3: maybe there's a little bit more security which with Joe
Speaker 3: Shane than there is with Brian Dabel, where he talked
Speaker 3: about maybe there's some play calling issues that we've got
Speaker 3: to figure out. And if you're Joe Shane, like if
Speaker 3: you view this as hey, I got to go win
Speaker 3: right now, you know, or if you're Brian Dabel and
Speaker 3: you're saying you got to go win right now, you know,
Speaker 3: do you want to do that with a rookie quarterback
Speaker 3: with you know that there's some interesting dynamics that are
Speaker 3: going to be at play here, because it sure does
Speaker 3: sound like the rope is pretty short there and the
Speaker 3: patients is running very thin from ownership.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Surprised on the Colt side just because we have not
Speaker 3: really seen that success. Maybe the one year with Philip Rivers,
Speaker 3: but they haven't gotten the quarterback thing right. And maybe
Speaker 3: they got one more shot to do it here with
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson, and if not, we'll be talking about this
Speaker 3: again next year.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When you think about no, no, no, When you think about
Speaker 2: Indianapolis and the struggles, like people to talk about Anthony
Speaker 2: Richardson and a everything is on him, I think the
Speaker 2: indian Apoltences coach have a serious.
Speaker 5: Decision to make about Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2: It's not just what we've seen on the field in
Speaker 2: terms of like the completion percentage and all of those things.
Speaker 2: The maturity and the questions that persist off the field.
Speaker 2: You know, people talk about like they had to sit
Speaker 2: him down because of the lack of professionalism, not necessarily
Speaker 2: being on time. We're the most diligent when it came
Speaker 2: to the work. You have to judge him on his play.
Speaker 2: You can't worry about draft positioning those things. This has
Speaker 2: to be one. If you're Shane Stichen, I have to
Speaker 2: move beyond ay. This was the number four overall pick.
Speaker 2: I got to put the best player in position to
Speaker 2: win games. And I'll say this having watched the Coats
Speaker 2: twice against the Jaguars and both times Joe Flacco played,
Speaker 2: I'm a huge believer that if Joe Flacco was the
Speaker 2: starting quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts the entire season, the
Speaker 2: Indianapolis Coats would have been in the postseason. That's the
Speaker 2: difference between the play of the veteran and the play
Speaker 2: of the young guy. At some point, Anthony Richardson has
Speaker 2: to earn the right to be the starting quarterback.
Speaker 5: As opposed to being given that job just because of
Speaker 5: his draft pedigree.
Speaker 1: Buck is in your opinion, and you saw that team
Speaker 1: twice and that's why I'll give you this one. But
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins better than anybody that got in their roster.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: Look, I think Kirk Cousins could give them what Joe
Speaker 2: Flacco has given them. So if you don't, I mean
Speaker 2: like they're comparable when it comes to age wise, but yeah,
Speaker 2: Kirk could give them a consistent presence if protected, they
Speaker 2: have a running back and Jonathan Taylor that allows them
Speaker 2: to run the football. Jonathan Taylor is one of the
Speaker 2: top five rushers in the league this year. If they
Speaker 2: lean into the running game and use the passing game
Speaker 2: as a compliment to that, they can do it. And
Speaker 2: if they are better on defense where they can control
Speaker 2: the score, they can kind of play complimentary ball with
Speaker 2: a more ball control approach on offense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kirk Cousins can win there.
Speaker 2: And we've talked about this job before, whether it's Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, whatever reclamission project that you want at quarterback.
Speaker 5: It's a nice spot because you have a quarterback guru
Speaker 5: and Shane Stichen and you have enough talent to win
Speaker 5: games there.
Speaker 3: Well, my question is, like, how much more does Kirk
Speaker 3: Cousins offer you than Joe Flanco at this point.
Speaker 4: I mean, with what we saw.
Speaker 1: From Kirk, you're betting on that that is a product
Speaker 1: of him not being healthy, that he's going to have
Speaker 1: another offseason to get it removed from the achilles and
Speaker 1: he'll be able to function under center and a play
Speaker 1: action offense, which is who he is and what he
Speaker 1: is and not what they did in Atlanta, that would
Speaker 1: be the argument correct.
Speaker 3: But I mean based off what we saw in the
Speaker 3: second half of both I mean, I don't think there.
Speaker 1: Was one touchdown your pank for Cousins in his last
Speaker 1: there were five games not great. Yeah, all those guys,
Speaker 1: it's all. It's all the bets. That's what you're gonna
Speaker 1: be doing your homework on there. They're in no man's land.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But if I'm Brian Dable with the Giants and I
Speaker 3: think that this is I get it. They gotta i
Speaker 3: gotta win. Right now, you'd be looking to go get
Speaker 3: a player like Kirk Cousins rather than you know, putting
Speaker 3: all my eggs in a rookie basket here to try
Speaker 3: to win, you know, and you know, with an offensive
Speaker 3: line that's you know, been terrible for the last couple
Speaker 3: of years. I'd not to say that would benefit Kirk
Speaker 3: Cousins any but I'm just saying, like, man, I'd rather
Speaker 3: have the veteran quarterback that I've seen a track record
Speaker 3: of than you know, player X that we might get
Speaker 3: in the draft.
Speaker 1: So I'll just push, I'll hold on Beck.
Speaker 5: I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to get you on this because my I
Speaker 1: think that's different expectations though. If you bring a veteran in,
Speaker 1: the expectation is you're going to the playoffs or you're out.
Speaker 1: If you bring a rookie quarterback in, the bar is lower.
Speaker 1: If the quarterbacks getting better throughout there, you can make
Speaker 1: the argument where the Giants are want to change up everything.
Speaker 1: I don't want to change up everything. If the quarterback
Speaker 1: is getting better throughout the year, I think that you
Speaker 1: could make that. Yeah, more grace with the younger guy.
Speaker 5: See, I think red is onto it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the Giants, for the Giants in particular,
Speaker 2: I don't know if the Giants could go six and
Speaker 2: eleven with the quarterback that is showing promise.
Speaker 1: I think for them, I'm not saying six, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying let's go. They don't make the playoffs and they go,
Speaker 1: let's go eight. You know they're eight to nine team,
Speaker 1: But yeah, quarterback throws.
Speaker 5: That's a five win jump. We got to win five.
Speaker 3: I mean where giants are picking what third Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think yeah, you might be shut out depending on how
Speaker 3: many quarterbacks we think are actually worthy of you know,
Speaker 3: picksway up there like it might.
Speaker 4: Not even might be.
Speaker 1: It might be shut out. Whoever's picking two might be
Speaker 1: shut out in this draft.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's the story for another day TBD.
Speaker 1: We'll get there, We'll get Yeah. Well, there you go,
Speaker 1: a very very busy few days here in the National
Speaker 1: Football League. Get a chance to break it all down
Speaker 1: for you. I hope you guys enjoyed that. We'll see
Speaker 1: maybe there's more moves to come. If they do, we
Speaker 1: will have all that analysis for you right here on.
Speaker 1: Move the sticks.