WEBVTT - Reactions to NFL Head Coach and General Manager Changes 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:06.200 And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.479 What's up, everybody, Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.280 and Rhett here full transparency. The pod is in the can. 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.360 But as we finished the podcast, we had some breaking 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.680 news that came down, which it always happens this way. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.279 The Las Vegas Raiders have decided to move on from 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.880 Antonio Pierce as their head coach. This is a team 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.520 that desperately needs to find their quarterback of the future. 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.040 They now are in search of a head coach. So 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:34.400 the guys didn't have a chance to weigh on on this. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.440 We've got a bunch of other content they're going to 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:37.839 weigh in here on the rest of this episode. I 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.400 think you guys are enjoying that. But this just went 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.040 down and I want to give you my quick take 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.680 on it before we get to the rest of the pod. 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.600 This to me is a tough decision. You didn't really 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.000 have a chance if you're Antonio Pierce with what you had. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.199 You didn't have a quarterback in place, You had all 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:57.279 those injuries on the defensive line. Look, Christian Wilkins only 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.000 played four or five games. Malcolm konsmissed the whole seat, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.560 and Max Crosby arguably the best defensive line in the NFL. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.640 He's out after you know, twelve or so weeks, so 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.200 you miss a big chunk of your defensive line. You 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.640 don't have a quarterback. There's roster holes all over the place, 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.560 and I think Tom Tellska would admit, like, we're you know, 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.640 he just got this job. They are in the build 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.120 up phase here. They need to acquire a lot more 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.399 talent to have a chance to win. The challenge would 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.520 be if you have Antonio Pierce back and what looks 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.200 like potentially could be a lame duck year, how are 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.280 you going to attract the right offensive coordinator to come 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.399 in and help whoever your quarterback is going to be 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.880 next year? I think they're kind of and no man's 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.000 land in the draft. Is that a veteran quarterback that 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.440 they're going to bring in there. I've had you know, 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.280 conversations around the league and kicked around ideas of what 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:48.200 quarterbacks make sense for what teams, and I've actually lobbied for, 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:50.840 you know, the Raiders. The one that makes sense there 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.480 is justin fields. You have the makings of what could 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.080 be a good defense if you get these guys back healthy, 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.080 Maybe you go into the defense with your first round pick, 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.360 Field's ability to just run around, make some plays, you know, 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.279 find a way to just generate some offense that way 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.920 to compliment what could be a really good defense. He 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.320 would be a nice bridge quarterback as you're you know, 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.560 waiting for maybe a better quarterback draft class to find 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.519 your quarterback of the future. So just one thought there. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.040 As the Raiders have decided to move on from Antonio Pierce. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.320 Without further ado, let's get to the rest of the 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:29.160 podcast with my buddies RHT Lewis and Bucky Brooks. What's up, everybody, 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.320 Welcome to move to stick DJ, Bucky, Rhett, guys as 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.079 those that focus on personnel, focus on the draft, and 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.560 focus on team building. This is a big week of 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.880 change and Buck, I'll get to you right off the 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.639 top here because we had our lineup all ready to 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.799 go what we're going to talk about, and just a 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.360 little bit before we started this show, the Tennessee Titans 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.480 sprung one on us here, Ran Carthon, friend of the show. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.880 He's let go with the Tennessee Titans as their executive 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.640 vice president and general manager after only two seasons. With 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:00.560 the team. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.200 Yeah, look, this is a remarkable story because you talk 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.640 about such a quick hook, you're really talking about two 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.920 off seasons where you have an opportunity to put your 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.280 stamp on the team and you let go before you 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.080 really even able to kind of get to the vision 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:17.800 that you have for the team. This is a team 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.240 that had salary cap issues. They really didn't have a 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.040 solid plan in terms of what they wanted to do 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.120 when rand took over, and he doesn't get a chance 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.840 to see it. And I understand the quick nature of 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.080 the league. Normally it used to be that the coaches 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.320 were on the more volatile end of the spectrum. But 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.760 now you're seeing that people have really quick hooks, short leashes. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.920 For general managers, even though they kind of bring the 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.560 players to it, the coaches are the ones that really 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.440 are responsible for the product that you see on the field. 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:50.360 I think, you know, when you look back to the 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.760 last couple of years, you know, you kind of wonder 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.160 about the vision, right John Robinson, Mike Vrabel, you know, 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.800 were there and they had some success together. Felt like 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:03.960 maybe there was you know, strife between you know, different 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.360 factions of the of the building there and John Robinson's 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.080 let go Vrabel. Not long after is gone, in comes 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.240 karth On, you know, and then you know, they hire 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.159 Brian Callahan, and now there's you know, there there seems 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.200 to be at least a divergent path here on where 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.200 they were going. Now, if this provides some clarity, if 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.839 this provides them that the path to the vision that 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.760 they want to get to, then you know, so be it. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.599 But man, it feels like there's just been a push 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.320 and a pull and a tug and not all in 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:35.919 the right direction, or not at least all in the 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.359 same direction, uh in Tennessee. And maybe this brings them 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.640 a step closer to it with them owning the number 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.839 one overall pick DJ also kind of curious as to 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:45.760 you know, your thoughts on how much that might have 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.839 played a role in this, you know, seeing the statement 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.760 from from Brinker, who's going to have sounds like a 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.120 bigger role in kind of deciding the vision of this 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.360 of this franchise. Like, you know, there was a very distinct, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.560 you know, piece of that statement talking about talent. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.320 Evaluation at the highest level, and now they got to 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:05.640 do that with the number one overall pick. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.279 Well, a lot of times when you see change. There's 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.080 quarterback issues, and this is a team that took Will 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.320 Levis in the second round the year before and then 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.000 sat out the quarterback market this past year, which now 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.760 as we've had a chance to see it, you look at, 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.320 you look at and go, okay, well, they decided to 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.440 take JC Latham the tackle, they decided to run it 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.800 back with Will Levis, which costs them an opportunity at 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.479 Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy, Bo Nicks and McCarthy. Obviously we 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.159 didn't get a chance to see this year due to injury. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:37.520 But when you have bo Nicks light in the world 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.640 on fire, and you have Penick showing a lot of 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.920 promise to guys who have I think most everybody would 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.760 agree would be better football players than what you have 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.159 on campus there with Will Levis. I think that's part 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.360 of the calculus there, miscalculating uh there, and then there's 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.640 you know, that's how people end up losing their jobs. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:06:00.800 But it this organization buck when you look at one 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.360 decision can alter a franchise, and when people say that, 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.960 they think, oh, you selected a quarterback, that was the 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.360 decision all No, the one decision alter to their franchise. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.400 Is trading aj Brown, Like this thing has gone nowhere 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.360 but down since that one specific mood move, which then 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.280 seemed like that was where Rabel was not happy. So 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.480 then Rabel's gone, and then you're like, okay. If you're 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.040 the Titans, you're like, well, wait a second. Now that 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.359 jobs are open, the guy that we let go seems 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.120 to be the number one candidate on the market, So 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.640 maybe we screwed that up. Maybe we shouldn't have fired 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:30.880 Mike Vrabel. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:31.920 But all that. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.000 Stuff circles back to that same that same trade that 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.240 kind of disrupted what they had going there, which was 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:38.440 a good bit of success. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.800 Yeah. I mean when you think about, like you. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.240 Guys are talking about the quarterback position and the mistakes 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.159 that are made a lot of times when you try 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.560 to go on the cheap right, we try not to 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.120 go in the first round because we're trying to get 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.360 the player where the town is suggested he is. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.000 But it still doesn't change anything once they get onto 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:55.480 the field. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.680 We judged him like we judge all franchise quarterbacks, and 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.080 necessarily nothing really fair to the player or to the 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.760 people that brought the player in. I think the lesson 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.760 to be learned and Brian dave All said this a 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.919 couple of weeks ago when they won a game with 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:10.360 Drew Locke quarterback. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.880 He was like, your team goes basically. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:16.040 As the quarterback goes, and if you have good quarterback play, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.600 typically your team is good. I think the lesson to 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.600 be learned is you better make sure that the quarterback 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.480 that you select in any round, from anywhere in free 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.800 agency or whatever is good enough to win games. Otherwise 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:28.400 you're going to be judged for and when it doesn't 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.320 go your way, you're also are going to be out 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:31.520 the door, just like the quarterback. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.200 I just want one little piece, one business piece of 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.720 this thing here. The Tennessee Titans have broken ground on 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.800 a brand new stadium and they are trying to sell 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:46.400 PSLs right now too. And just from some things that 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.440 I've heard there in the Nashville area from the folks 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.960 that you know, it's it's expensive, and I don't know 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.760 what the demand has been, But if you want to 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.360 generate some juice in your organization, you want to make 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.160 the right pick with the number one overall selection. You 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:00.840 want to go get your quarter back of the future 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.120 and have that thing all ready to go and building 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.320 towards some real positivity when you move. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:05.840 Into that building. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.400 You know, these are also things I think you have 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.960 to consider because there is a business side of it too. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:16.080 Yeah, and right now I think, yeah, I haven't looked 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:17.480 at I don't look at markets or anything like that, 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.560 but I would imagine cam Ward is the favorite at 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.920 this point in time to be the first pick, and 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.320 that'll kick off a new era and hopefully whoever they 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.600 decide at that position, they get it fixed, because if 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.080 you want to generate some excitement and sell those bsls, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.160 it starts with getting that position right. And that is 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.640 the challenge for a team that holds the first overall pick. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.760 All right, lots of other things to get to here, Rhett, 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.440 I'll circle back to you because you spent time in 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.480 the market, so I'll give you priority here. New England 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.160 girod Mayo. He is out your thoughts on that one. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.839 Yeah, you know, surprised that it only lasted a year, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.760 But I think the more you unpack and kind of 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.600 dig into the tumult that was going on over that 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.559 one year, maybe you start to see it a little bit. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:03.000 And you know, it did feel like there was, you know, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.200 some timing issues with the way that the Belichick departure 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.360 happened and the way that this was going to work 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.520 for Girod Mayo, that that led to this point here. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.720 This was not a talented roster. We have talked about 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.600 that on this show a lot. How much of that 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.320 falls on Girod Mayo, You know, I don't know. So 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.280 were there some missteps in the way that maybe he 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:28.120 had publicly described and handled things? Yeah, I think so, 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.640 But again, first year head coach, I think, you know, 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.760 you'd like to see him get the opportunity to have 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.400 a better shot with a better roster. And I think 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.760 that's what Robert Kraft was alluding to when he said he, 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.719 you know, he had to apologize this was one of 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.240 the hardest things he's had to do and just did 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:45.960 not see the growth though, and felt like it was 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.520 necessary to make the move. You know, also wonder how 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.920 much Mike Rabel's availability he played a role in all 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.199 this as well. But I know that Girod Mayo was 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.880 beloved in that locker room when I was there, when 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.760 he was a player, he was a great leader on 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.520 that team, and I feel like he'll find his way 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.559 back to being a great leader on the sidelines here 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:03.760 for someone else here pretty soon. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.520 Yeah, it's unfortunately for Girodmeo that it didn't go his way. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.840 When I think about it, part of this was, you know, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.000 the copycat nature of the league, where you have someone 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.640 have success, so everyone to look towards Detroit former player 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.199 and Dan Campbell, who's a quote unquote leader of men 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.160 installed as head coach. The Lions get up and going, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.480 and so you kind of see that trend going. You 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.559 have Demico Bryants make the move. You now have Gerroi 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.760 Mayo and Antonio Peers. Mayo is out and maybe Pierce's 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:33.840 following him out the door soon. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:34.920 And what it. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.520 Does, though, is those guys won't get an opportunity, And 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.079 so it's really important when you have those jobs, you're 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.920 ready for those jobs. And for Gerard and Mayo stepping 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.679 in behind what we will say is the greatest coach 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.360 that we've ever seen in pro football, there was going 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.559 to be a drop off in the level of coaching, 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.520 and some of the whispers that you got from the 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.800 locker room was a level of concern about the coaching 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.120 and the teaching that they were getting. And anyone who 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.960 comes behind Bill Belichick it's certainly not going to be 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.040 as polished as button up as committed to dotting the 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:05.920 i's and crossing the. 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.640 T's as a six time Super Bowl champion. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.560 But Mayo had to understand that, and he had to 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.600 understand that you better make sure that you have everything 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.000 lined up correctly, because look, you can be George, you 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.520 can be judged based on what your predecessor did and 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.640 when you go like the Patriots did this year regards 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.640 to what we say the roster was, at the end 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.679 of the day, people judge you on wins and losses, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.440 and it certainly wasn't good enough for what they're expecting 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:32.360 in New England. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.360 Yeah, I had an argument yesterday with someone about this 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.599 job because I'd said it was I thought it was 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.480 the best job because of three things. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:39.839 You've got. 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.400 Drake may got the quarterbacks that I think's got a 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.920 chance to be special. You've got the most salary cap 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:47.240 space of any team in the league. I think it's 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.600 one hundred and thirty something million dollars in the space 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.120 to go out and fill a lot on. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:52.720 The all sense of line, spend it. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:54.760 Yes, So go spend it all there. And then you've 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.680 got the fourth overall picks. You got a top five 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.040 pick to go along with that, not to mention a 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.320 history of a winning culture there that you have to 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.000 believe there's remnants of that that still around that building. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.000 I argued, Buck, it's a really good job. The pushback 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.000 I got was, you have the rest of the roster stinks. 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.600 There's been turmoil in the organization. The fact you have 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.000 a one and done coach says that it's not well 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.720 run at the very top. So it was an interesting 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.200 discussion there. Where's your viewpoint what kind of job this is? 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:23.160 Look? 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.319 Man, I think, to be honest, I think all these 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.760 jobs can be good jobs if you understand exactly what 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:29.960 you're walking into. I think is really important that when 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:34.120 you arepective, hey, a coach, you do understand who's in charge, 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.560 how the thing is run, and you know why the 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.000 previous people have failed in those roles. I think whoever 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.120 replaces Jeri Mayo has to look at not only the 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.920 on field product, but the people that are around you, 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.320 your general manager, the people in administration, to support staff, 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:51.920 and what can I do to make sure that we 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.360 are all pulling the boat in the right direction. If 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.760 you get the alignment that you want with, then you 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.640 can succeed. So we can talk about Drake maybeing terrific. 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.520 They do have a boldlold of cast base and I 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.400 believe that Elliott Woolf and Alonzo high Smith are really 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.120 good at talent evaluators. But I still think you have 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.600 to understand how can I do this with what I 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.240 have until I get what I want on the field? 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.480 That is the trick, because you got to win because 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.319 people don't have the patience to deal with the loser 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:18.320 in any capacity. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.080 I want to hit Buck real quick on this and 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:21.800 then we'll move on from this topic. But I was 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.719 just thinking about this helped me with the timeline of 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:24.720 Carolina basketball. 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:24.960 Buck. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.920 So you had Dean Smith right then was it Guthridge? 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.120 And then it wasn't going as well? You know I 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.920 had not as well, so they stayed in the family. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.560 But there was somebody else in the family who was 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.319 out at another school who had had success in Roy Williams, 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.720 and that was This is exact same thing, Am I not? 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.400 Am I mistaken here? If Rabel ends up being that guy. 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.400 Well, yeah, the timeline is a little different. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.040 It was Dean Smith, Guthrie, then it was mad Doherty, 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.400 who was remember that we quickly that we quickly got 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.960 rid of to then get Roy Williams back, and so, yeah, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.719 I understand which is it and there is something to that. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.040 I just never thought that this would be a job 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.400 that Mike Rabel would want to take, just because of 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.200 the mormous pressure that is on you when you step 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:11.319 into those shoes that Bill Belichick left. Those footprints are massive, 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.920 and for the Patriots fans, they expect to win at 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.120 an unprecedented level. The six Super Bowls have spored them 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:19.920 to the point where they think they should go every 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.200 two or three years to the super Bowl. That's not 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.240 realistic in today's NFL, but that is what the expectation 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:27.800 is going to be when you take that job in 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:28.120 New Ink. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.440 Yeah, we've seen a lot of former players step up 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.200 in the front office and run teams for those teams. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.120 Off the top of my head, I don't think of 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.120 many that have their you know, that are in the 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.240 Ring of Honor and they're going to take over and 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:40.640 be the head coach of the team that they're in 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.840 the Ring of honor for. As a player, it's a 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:52.480 unique situation. Ratt Hold on here, I'm not I'm not 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.040 forgetting about you. But the fact that we're doing Jacksonville next, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.480 I feel like Bucky, Yeah, I'll just I'll open the floor. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:01.120 What the heck is going on? 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:02.560 Popcorner? 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:08.520 Well, okay, so let's have an honest and transparent conversation 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.400 about what took place in Jacksonville. Jacksonville released Doug Peterson 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.600 from relieved him of his duties. Shakan, the owner, decided 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.600 to keep Trent balky On, and I think for anyone 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.920 I would I would suggest go look at the press 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:26.359 conference that shat Khan had on Monday after the dismissal, 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.600 and that will tell you everything that you need to 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.760 know about why the team kept Trent balky On. Sha 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.200 Khan talked about his centers of influence to people that 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.160 he leans on when it comes to football are Trent 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.560 Balki and then Ethan Waugh, and so naturally it is 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.680 going to be hard for him to dismiss them when 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.800 you really trust them with you know, the the jobs 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.120 that they've done in terms of building the team. There 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:54.160 is talent there. They certainly have a talented roster to 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.720 have some blue chip players and those things I would 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.160 say that you still need to upgrade it but there's 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.440 some pieces in place for the team to win. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.480 Where this all came undone is when. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.440 You had to collapse in twenty twenty three and then 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.200 you just fail to play well in twenty twenty four, five, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.480 and eighteen. In your last twenty three games, you lose 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.800 ten games by one score this season. You just couldn't 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.840 see where things were going to turn it around, and 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.000 that's why. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:24.400 They it led to the change. 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.200 But I think the biggest surprise is that Trent Balki 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.240 is now hiring his third coach in five years. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:30.840 With the Jaguars. 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.520 Most gms don't get multiple bites at the apple when 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.000 it comes to selecting head coaches. 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.800 Yeah, you know, just I don't think I could say 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.320 it any better than you did, But they got to 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.000 find someone like pushing this forward. They got to find 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:49.040 someone who brings out what they expected to be elite 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.400 play from Trevor Lawrence. I felt like we saw the 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.560 times with Doug Peterson, certainly more than we did, you know, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.600 in Trevor's rookie year with that whole coaching debacle. But 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.479 this has got to be the priority for this franchise, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:08.679 and that you've already paid Trevor Lawrence like an elite player, 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.520 and now you've got to go get that out of them, right, 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.240 because that's the only way to kind of salvage this 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.520 thing here from being just a total breakdown and rebuild. 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.720 So that to me is what's on the docket here. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.360 I don't know who that. I don't know that they're 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.239 going to be. Are they in that position to go 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.080 get one of these top flight names. Are they in 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.080 the Ben Johnson market? Are they in you know, the 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.960 market to find one of these top offensive minds to 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:33.879 come in there and kind of, you know, get Trevor 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.240 Lawrence going the way that they expect him to play. 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.560 I don't that that to me is obviously priority one. Diach. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.199 I just maybe it's because I just went through it 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.840 with the Chargers, and I just saw a head coach 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.080 and general manager come in together with complete alignment, with 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.320 a background in history that mirrored one another, with shared values, 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.200 and I saw him turn it around. I watched Washington 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.000 go out and get a general manager and a head 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.840 coach put him in together. Let Adam Peters get someone 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.440 here he's very comfortable with that he is in alignment 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.120 with and Dan Quinn and they hit the ground running. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:06.879 Oh by the way, you know, the benefactors were the 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.120 two quarterbacks, Justin Herbert and Jaden Daniels, who both had 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.560 excellent seasons. Because guess what, we're all speaking the same language. 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.840 We're all rolling the boat in the same direction. To 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:21.720 attract a big time candidate for this job without being 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.080 more alignment there with the front office, I think is 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.719