1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: and Rhett here full transparency. The pod is in the can. 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: But as we finished the podcast, we had some breaking 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: news that came down, which it always happens this way. 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: The Las Vegas Raiders have decided to move on from 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce as their head coach. This is a team 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: that desperately needs to find their quarterback of the future. 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: They now are in search of a head coach. So 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: the guys didn't have a chance to weigh on on this. 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of other content they're going to 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: weigh in here on the rest of this episode. I 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: think you guys are enjoying that. But this just went 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: down and I want to give you my quick take 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: on it before we get to the rest of the pod. 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: This to me is a tough decision. You didn't really 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: have a chance if you're Antonio Pierce with what you had. 18 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: You didn't have a quarterback in place, You had all 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: those injuries on the defensive line. Look, Christian Wilkins only 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: played four or five games. Malcolm konsmissed the whole seat, 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: and Max Crosby arguably the best defensive line in the NFL. 22 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: He's out after you know, twelve or so weeks, so 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: you miss a big chunk of your defensive line. You 24 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback. There's roster holes all over the place, 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: and I think Tom Tellska would admit, like, we're you know, 26 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: he just got this job. They are in the build 27 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: up phase here. They need to acquire a lot more 28 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: talent to have a chance to win. The challenge would 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: be if you have Antonio Pierce back and what looks 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: like potentially could be a lame duck year, how are 31 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: you going to attract the right offensive coordinator to come 32 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: in and help whoever your quarterback is going to be 33 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: next year? I think they're kind of and no man's 34 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: land in the draft. Is that a veteran quarterback that 35 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: they're going to bring in there. I've had you know, 36 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: conversations around the league and kicked around ideas of what 37 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: quarterbacks make sense for what teams, and I've actually lobbied for, 38 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, the Raiders. The one that makes sense there 39 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: is justin fields. You have the makings of what could 40 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: be a good defense if you get these guys back healthy, 41 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: Maybe you go into the defense with your first round pick, 42 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: Field's ability to just run around, make some plays, you know, 43 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,279 Speaker 1: find a way to just generate some offense that way 44 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: to compliment what could be a really good defense. He 45 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: would be a nice bridge quarterback as you're you know, 46 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: waiting for maybe a better quarterback draft class to find 47 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: your quarterback of the future. So just one thought there. 48 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: As the Raiders have decided to move on from Antonio Pierce. 49 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: Without further ado, let's get to the rest of the 50 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: podcast with my buddies RHT Lewis and Bucky Brooks. What's up, everybody, 51 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to move to stick DJ, Bucky, Rhett, guys as 52 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: those that focus on personnel, focus on the draft, and 53 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: focus on team building. This is a big week of 54 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: change and Buck, I'll get to you right off the 55 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: top here because we had our lineup all ready to 56 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: go what we're going to talk about, and just a 57 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: little bit before we started this show, the Tennessee Titans 58 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: sprung one on us here, Ran Carthon, friend of the show. 59 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: He's let go with the Tennessee Titans as their executive 60 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: vice president and general manager after only two seasons. With 61 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: the team. 62 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, this is a remarkable story because you talk 63 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: about such a quick hook, you're really talking about two 64 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: off seasons where you have an opportunity to put your 65 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: stamp on the team and you let go before you 66 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: really even able to kind of get to the vision 67 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: that you have for the team. This is a team 68 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: that had salary cap issues. They really didn't have a 69 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: solid plan in terms of what they wanted to do 70 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: when rand took over, and he doesn't get a chance 71 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: to see it. And I understand the quick nature of 72 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: the league. Normally it used to be that the coaches 73 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: were on the more volatile end of the spectrum. But 74 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: now you're seeing that people have really quick hooks, short leashes. 75 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: For general managers, even though they kind of bring the 76 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: players to it, the coaches are the ones that really 77 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: are responsible for the product that you see on the field. 78 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: I think, you know, when you look back to the 79 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: last couple of years, you know, you kind of wonder 80 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: about the vision, right John Robinson, Mike Vrabel, you know, 81 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: were there and they had some success together. Felt like 82 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: maybe there was you know, strife between you know, different 83 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: factions of the of the building there and John Robinson's 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: let go Vrabel. Not long after is gone, in comes 85 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: karth On, you know, and then you know, they hire 86 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: Brian Callahan, and now there's you know, there there seems 87 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: to be at least a divergent path here on where 88 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: they were going. Now, if this provides some clarity, if 89 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 3: this provides them that the path to the vision that 90 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: they want to get to, then you know, so be it. 91 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: But man, it feels like there's just been a push 92 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: and a pull and a tug and not all in 93 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 3: the right direction, or not at least all in the 94 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 3: same direction, uh in Tennessee. And maybe this brings them 95 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: a step closer to it with them owning the number 96 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 3: one overall pick DJ also kind of curious as to 97 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 3: you know, your thoughts on how much that might have 98 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: played a role in this, you know, seeing the statement 99 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: from from Brinker, who's going to have sounds like a 100 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: bigger role in kind of deciding the vision of this 101 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: of this franchise. Like, you know, there was a very distinct, 102 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: you know, piece of that statement talking about talent. 103 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: Evaluation at the highest level, and now they got to 104 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 4: do that with the number one overall pick. 105 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of times when you see change. There's 106 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: quarterback issues, and this is a team that took Will 107 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: Levis in the second round the year before and then 108 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: sat out the quarterback market this past year, which now 109 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: as we've had a chance to see it, you look at, 110 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: you look at and go, okay, well, they decided to 111 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: take JC Latham the tackle, they decided to run it 112 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: back with Will Levis, which costs them an opportunity at 113 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy, Bo Nicks and McCarthy. Obviously we 114 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to see this year due to injury. 115 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: But when you have bo Nicks light in the world 116 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: on fire, and you have Penick showing a lot of 117 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: promise to guys who have I think most everybody would 118 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: agree would be better football players than what you have 119 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: on campus there with Will Levis. I think that's part 120 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: of the calculus there, miscalculating uh there, and then there's 121 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, that's how people end up losing their jobs. 122 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: But it this organization buck when you look at one 123 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: decision can alter a franchise, and when people say that, 124 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: they think, oh, you selected a quarterback, that was the 125 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: decision all No, the one decision alter to their franchise. 126 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: Is trading aj Brown, Like this thing has gone nowhere 127 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: but down since that one specific mood move, which then 128 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: seemed like that was where Rabel was not happy. So 129 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: then Rabel's gone, and then you're like, okay. If you're 130 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: the Titans, you're like, well, wait a second. Now that 131 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: jobs are open, the guy that we let go seems 132 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: to be the number one candidate on the market, So 133 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: maybe we screwed that up. Maybe we shouldn't have fired 134 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel. 135 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 4: But all that. 136 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: Stuff circles back to that same that same trade that 137 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: kind of disrupted what they had going there, which was 138 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: a good bit of success. 139 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean when you think about, like you. 140 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: Guys are talking about the quarterback position and the mistakes 141 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: that are made a lot of times when you try 142 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: to go on the cheap right, we try not to 143 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: go in the first round because we're trying to get 144 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: the player where the town is suggested he is. 145 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 5: But it still doesn't change anything once they get onto 146 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 5: the field. 147 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: We judged him like we judge all franchise quarterbacks, and 148 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: necessarily nothing really fair to the player or to the 149 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: people that brought the player in. I think the lesson 150 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: to be learned and Brian dave All said this a 151 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago when they won a game with 152 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: Drew Locke quarterback. 153 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 5: He was like, your team goes basically. 154 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: As the quarterback goes, and if you have good quarterback play, 155 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: typically your team is good. I think the lesson to 156 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: be learned is you better make sure that the quarterback 157 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: that you select in any round, from anywhere in free 158 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: agency or whatever is good enough to win games. Otherwise 159 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: you're going to be judged for and when it doesn't 160 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: go your way, you're also are going to be out 161 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: the door, just like the quarterback. 162 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: I just want one little piece, one business piece of 163 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: this thing here. The Tennessee Titans have broken ground on 164 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: a brand new stadium and they are trying to sell 165 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: PSLs right now too. And just from some things that 166 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: I've heard there in the Nashville area from the folks 167 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: that you know, it's it's expensive, and I don't know 168 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: what the demand has been, But if you want to 169 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: generate some juice in your organization, you want to make 170 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: the right pick with the number one overall selection. You 171 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: want to go get your quarter back of the future 172 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 3: and have that thing all ready to go and building 173 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: towards some real positivity when you move. 174 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 4: Into that building. 175 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: You know, these are also things I think you have 176 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: to consider because there is a business side of it too. 177 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and right now I think, yeah, I haven't looked 178 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: at I don't look at markets or anything like that, 179 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: but I would imagine cam Ward is the favorite at 180 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: this point in time to be the first pick, and 181 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: that'll kick off a new era and hopefully whoever they 182 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: decide at that position, they get it fixed, because if 183 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: you want to generate some excitement and sell those bsls, 184 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: it starts with getting that position right. And that is 185 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: the challenge for a team that holds the first overall pick. 186 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: All right, lots of other things to get to here, Rhett, 187 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: I'll circle back to you because you spent time in 188 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: the market, so I'll give you priority here. New England 189 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: girod Mayo. He is out your thoughts on that one. 190 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, surprised that it only lasted a year, 191 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: But I think the more you unpack and kind of 192 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: dig into the tumult that was going on over that 193 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 3: one year, maybe you start to see it a little bit. 194 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: And you know, it did feel like there was, you know, 195 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: some timing issues with the way that the Belichick departure 196 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: happened and the way that this was going to work 197 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: for Girod Mayo, that that led to this point here. 198 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: This was not a talented roster. We have talked about 199 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: that on this show a lot. How much of that 200 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: falls on Girod Mayo, You know, I don't know. So 201 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: were there some missteps in the way that maybe he 202 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: had publicly described and handled things? Yeah, I think so, 203 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: But again, first year head coach, I think, you know, 204 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: you'd like to see him get the opportunity to have 205 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: a better shot with a better roster. And I think 206 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: that's what Robert Kraft was alluding to when he said he, 207 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 3: you know, he had to apologize this was one of 208 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: the hardest things he's had to do and just did 209 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 3: not see the growth though, and felt like it was 210 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 3: necessary to make the move. You know, also wonder how 211 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: much Mike Rabel's availability he played a role in all 212 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 3: this as well. But I know that Girod Mayo was 213 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: beloved in that locker room when I was there, when 214 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: he was a player, he was a great leader on 215 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: that team, and I feel like he'll find his way 216 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 3: back to being a great leader on the sidelines here 217 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: for someone else here pretty soon. 218 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's unfortunately for Girodmeo that it didn't go his way. 219 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: When I think about it, part of this was, you know, 220 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: the copycat nature of the league, where you have someone 221 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: have success, so everyone to look towards Detroit former player 222 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 2: and Dan Campbell, who's a quote unquote leader of men 223 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: installed as head coach. The Lions get up and going, 224 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: and so you kind of see that trend going. You 225 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: have Demico Bryants make the move. You now have Gerroi 226 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: Mayo and Antonio Peers. Mayo is out and maybe Pierce's 227 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: following him out the door soon. 228 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 5: And what it. 229 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: Does, though, is those guys won't get an opportunity, And 230 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 2: so it's really important when you have those jobs, you're 231 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: ready for those jobs. And for Gerard and Mayo stepping 232 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: in behind what we will say is the greatest coach 233 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: that we've ever seen in pro football, there was going 234 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 2: to be a drop off in the level of coaching, 235 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: and some of the whispers that you got from the 236 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: locker room was a level of concern about the coaching 237 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: and the teaching that they were getting. And anyone who 238 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: comes behind Bill Belichick it's certainly not going to be 239 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: as polished as button up as committed to dotting the 240 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: i's and crossing the. 241 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 5: T's as a six time Super Bowl champion. 242 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: But Mayo had to understand that, and he had to 243 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: understand that you better make sure that you have everything 244 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: lined up correctly, because look, you can be George, you 245 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: can be judged based on what your predecessor did and 246 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: when you go like the Patriots did this year regards 247 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: to what we say the roster was, at the end 248 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: of the day, people judge you on wins and losses, 249 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: and it certainly wasn't good enough for what they're expecting 250 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: in New England. 251 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had an argument yesterday with someone about this 252 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 1: job because I'd said it was I thought it was 253 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: the best job because of three things. 254 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 5: You've got. 255 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: Drake may got the quarterbacks that I think's got a 256 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: chance to be special. You've got the most salary cap 257 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: space of any team in the league. I think it's 258 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty something million dollars in the space 259 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: to go out and fill a lot on. 260 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: The all sense of line, spend it. 261 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: Yes, So go spend it all there. And then you've 262 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: got the fourth overall picks. You got a top five 263 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: pick to go along with that, not to mention a 264 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: history of a winning culture there that you have to 265 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: believe there's remnants of that that still around that building. 266 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: I argued, Buck, it's a really good job. The pushback 267 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: I got was, you have the rest of the roster stinks. 268 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: There's been turmoil in the organization. The fact you have 269 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: a one and done coach says that it's not well 270 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: run at the very top. So it was an interesting 271 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: discussion there. Where's your viewpoint what kind of job this is? 272 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 5: Look? 273 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: Man, I think, to be honest, I think all these 274 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: jobs can be good jobs if you understand exactly what 275 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: you're walking into. I think is really important that when 276 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: you arepective, hey, a coach, you do understand who's in charge, 277 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: how the thing is run, and you know why the 278 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: previous people have failed in those roles. I think whoever 279 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: replaces Jeri Mayo has to look at not only the 280 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: on field product, but the people that are around you, 281 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: your general manager, the people in administration, to support staff, 282 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: and what can I do to make sure that we 283 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: are all pulling the boat in the right direction. If 284 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: you get the alignment that you want with, then you 285 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: can succeed. So we can talk about Drake maybeing terrific. 286 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: They do have a boldlold of cast base and I 287 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: believe that Elliott Woolf and Alonzo high Smith are really 288 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: good at talent evaluators. But I still think you have 289 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: to understand how can I do this with what I 290 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: have until I get what I want on the field? 291 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: That is the trick, because you got to win because 292 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 2: people don't have the patience to deal with the loser 293 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: in any capacity. 294 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: I want to hit Buck real quick on this and 295 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: then we'll move on from this topic. But I was 296 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: just thinking about this helped me with the timeline of 297 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: Carolina basketball. 298 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 4: Buck. 299 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: So you had Dean Smith right then was it Guthridge? 300 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: And then it wasn't going as well? You know I 301 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: had not as well, so they stayed in the family. 302 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: But there was somebody else in the family who was 303 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: out at another school who had had success in Roy Williams, 304 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: and that was This is exact same thing, Am I not? 305 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Am I mistaken here? If Rabel ends up being that guy. 306 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, the timeline is a little different. 307 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: It was Dean Smith, Guthrie, then it was mad Doherty, 308 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: who was remember that we quickly that we quickly got 309 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: rid of to then get Roy Williams back, and so, yeah, 310 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 2: I understand which is it and there is something to that. 311 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: I just never thought that this would be a job 312 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: that Mike Rabel would want to take, just because of 313 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: the mormous pressure that is on you when you step 314 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 2: into those shoes that Bill Belichick left. Those footprints are massive, 315 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: and for the Patriots fans, they expect to win at 316 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: an unprecedented level. The six Super Bowls have spored them 317 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: to the point where they think they should go every 318 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: two or three years to the super Bowl. That's not 319 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: realistic in today's NFL, but that is what the expectation 320 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: is going to be when you take that job in 321 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: New Ink. 322 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen a lot of former players step up 323 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: in the front office and run teams for those teams. 324 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, I don't think of 325 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: many that have their you know, that are in the 326 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: Ring of Honor and they're going to take over and 327 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: be the head coach of the team that they're in 328 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: the Ring of honor for. As a player, it's a 329 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: unique situation. Ratt Hold on here, I'm not I'm not 330 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: forgetting about you. But the fact that we're doing Jacksonville next, 331 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: I feel like Bucky, Yeah, I'll just I'll open the floor. 332 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: What the heck is going on? 333 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 4: Popcorner? 334 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: Well, okay, so let's have an honest and transparent conversation 335 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: about what took place in Jacksonville. Jacksonville released Doug Peterson 336 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: from relieved him of his duties. Shakan, the owner, decided 337 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: to keep Trent balky On, and I think for anyone 338 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: I would I would suggest go look at the press 339 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,359 Speaker 2: conference that shat Khan had on Monday after the dismissal, 340 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: and that will tell you everything that you need to 341 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: know about why the team kept Trent balky On. Sha 342 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: Khan talked about his centers of influence to people that 343 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: he leans on when it comes to football are Trent 344 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: Balki and then Ethan Waugh, and so naturally it is 345 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: going to be hard for him to dismiss them when 346 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: you really trust them with you know, the the jobs 347 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: that they've done in terms of building the team. There 348 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: is talent there. They certainly have a talented roster to 349 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: have some blue chip players and those things I would 350 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: say that you still need to upgrade it but there's 351 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: some pieces in place for the team to win. 352 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 5: Where this all came undone is when. 353 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: You had to collapse in twenty twenty three and then 354 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: you just fail to play well in twenty twenty four, five, 355 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: and eighteen. In your last twenty three games, you lose 356 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: ten games by one score this season. You just couldn't 357 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: see where things were going to turn it around, and 358 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: that's why. 359 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 5: They it led to the change. 360 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: But I think the biggest surprise is that Trent Balki 361 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: is now hiring his third coach in five years. 362 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 5: With the Jaguars. 363 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: Most gms don't get multiple bites at the apple when 364 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: it comes to selecting head coaches. 365 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, just I don't think I could say 366 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: it any better than you did, But they got to 367 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: find someone like pushing this forward. They got to find 368 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: someone who brings out what they expected to be elite 369 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: play from Trevor Lawrence. I felt like we saw the 370 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: times with Doug Peterson, certainly more than we did, you know, 371 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: in Trevor's rookie year with that whole coaching debacle. But 372 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,479 Speaker 3: this has got to be the priority for this franchise, 373 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 3: and that you've already paid Trevor Lawrence like an elite player, 374 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: and now you've got to go get that out of them, right, 375 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: because that's the only way to kind of salvage this 376 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: thing here from being just a total breakdown and rebuild. 377 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: So that to me is what's on the docket here. 378 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 3: I don't know who that. I don't know that they're 379 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 3: going to be. Are they in that position to go 380 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: get one of these top flight names. Are they in 381 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: the Ben Johnson market? Are they in you know, the 382 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: market to find one of these top offensive minds to 383 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 3: come in there and kind of, you know, get Trevor 384 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 3: Lawrence going the way that they expect him to play. 385 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 4: I don't that that to me is obviously priority one. Diach. 386 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: I just maybe it's because I just went through it 387 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: with the Chargers, and I just saw a head coach 388 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: and general manager come in together with complete alignment, with 389 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: a background in history that mirrored one another, with shared values, 390 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: and I saw him turn it around. I watched Washington 391 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: go out and get a general manager and a head 392 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: coach put him in together. Let Adam Peters get someone 393 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: here he's very comfortable with that he is in alignment 394 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: with and Dan Quinn and they hit the ground running. 395 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: Oh by the way, you know, the benefactors were the 396 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, Justin Herbert and Jaden Daniels, who both had 397 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: excellent seasons. Because guess what, we're all speaking the same language. 398 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: We're all rolling the boat in the same direction. To 399 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: attract a big time candidate for this job without being 400 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: more alignment there with the front office, I think is 401 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 1: going to be a challenge. And it's interesting because if 402 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: you'd have said a week ago, if it's a clean 403 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: it's a clean slate there, I would say it's arguably 404 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: the most attractive job, you know, because of all the 405 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: different pieces that they have in place there. So I 406 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: don't know, it's we'll see how it all works the 407 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: other way that it happened. You know, Look, Denver goes 408 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: out and gets Sean Payton, even though had George Peyton there, 409 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: but Sean Payton's such a large presence. He came in 410 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: there and there was no way if he wanted, he 411 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: had the power to make the decision on George Payton's future. 412 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: Now that's going to be the message they're going to 413 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: have to send if they want to get a big 414 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: time coach to come in there, that hey, if it's 415 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: up to you. You survey the landscape, you want to 416 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: make changes, you can make changes. 417 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think it's really important because both of 418 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: you guys have mentioned the quarterback and making sure you 419 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: get the quarterback up and running. But I believe it's 420 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: bigger than the quarterback because you can keep swapping play 421 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: calls and changing. 422 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 5: People out at the top. 423 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: But to me, and looking at the teams are the 424 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: most successful, they're culture builders. They're guys that create the 425 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: alignment within the building. They also hold each of the 426 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: players to a standard that is high, that is at 427 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: a championship level, and then they're able to get maximum 428 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: played from the team, which makes the quarterback better. I 429 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: don't know what Trevor Lawrence's ceiling is. I've seen him 430 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: have like great highs where he's played like a top five, 431 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: top ten quarterback, but I've also seen him deal with 432 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: injuries and those things. To me, the best thing that 433 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: you can do in Jacksonville is build a team that 434 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 2: isn't wholly quarterback dependent, that allows the running game to 435 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: do some things, the defense to do things, and then 436 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: you're asking Trevor to be a complimentary piece as opposed 437 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: to the entire piece of the puzzle. If you're able 438 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: to do that, then you can win. But I think 439 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: you have to be careful of trying to put too 440 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: much on the quarterback and say that he is going 441 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 2: to be the superhero that saves today. I don't know 442 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 2: if Number sixteen can do that in that environment. 443 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would follow the Chargers blueprint, which was taken 444 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: uber talented quarterback and Justin Herbert who had been knocked 445 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: around a bunch, and take it off of his plate. 446 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna run the ball, We're gonna invest in the 447 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: offensive line, We're gonna protect you. And then guess what 448 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: when it's go time, when it's the last couple weeks 449 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: of the regular season and we're going to go into 450 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: the postseason, put your foot on the gas. You're healthy, 451 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: and we're rocking and rolling. That's the Trevor Lawrence formula 452 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: for me. Already, it's already out there. Just copy the blueprint. 453 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: What took place with the Los Angeles Chargers, Rhett hit 454 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: you on this one. Giants Colts both decide stay coach 455 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: GM No changes made a more surprising move to you 456 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: between those two organizations. 457 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna say I think it was more 458 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 3: surprising in Indye that everyone's staying. 459 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: Least in New York. You have a year where you. 460 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: Like, Okay, this actually did work right in Brian dables 461 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: first year, Joe Shane's first year. 462 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: Now it hasn't worked since. 463 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: So I mean, I think you start to bring into question, 464 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: you know, sustainability and how you've built it that way. Obviously, 465 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: the sake one Barkley mess this year kind of painted 466 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: that in a really bad light. Separating yourself from that. 467 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: You know, they need to get the quarterback right. And 468 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 3: I think that one's a really interesting one because you know, 469 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 3: if you read the tea leaves there for John Mara, 470 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: you know, the way he's talking about it felt like 471 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: maybe there's a little bit more security which with Joe 472 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 3: Shane than there is with Brian Dabel, where he talked 473 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 3: about maybe there's some play calling issues that we've got 474 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: to figure out. And if you're Joe Shane, like if 475 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 3: you view this as hey, I got to go win 476 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 3: right now, you know, or if you're Brian Dabel and 477 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 3: you're saying you got to go win right now, you know, 478 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: do you want to do that with a rookie quarterback 479 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: with you know that there's some interesting dynamics that are 480 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: going to be at play here, because it sure does 481 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 3: sound like the rope is pretty short there and the 482 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: patients is running very thin from ownership. 483 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm a little bit more. 484 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: Surprised on the Colt side just because we have not 485 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 3: really seen that success. Maybe the one year with Philip Rivers, 486 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: but they haven't gotten the quarterback thing right. And maybe 487 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: they got one more shot to do it here with 488 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson, and if not, we'll be talking about this 489 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 3: again next year. 490 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 491 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: When you think about no, no, no, When you think about 492 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: Indianapolis and the struggles, like people to talk about Anthony 493 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: Richardson and a everything is on him, I think the 494 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: indian Apoltences coach have a serious. 495 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 5: Decision to make about Anthony Richardson. 496 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: It's not just what we've seen on the field in 497 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: terms of like the completion percentage and all of those things. 498 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: The maturity and the questions that persist off the field. 499 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 2: You know, people talk about like they had to sit 500 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: him down because of the lack of professionalism, not necessarily 501 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: being on time. We're the most diligent when it came 502 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: to the work. You have to judge him on his play. 503 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: You can't worry about draft positioning those things. This has 504 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: to be one. If you're Shane Stichen, I have to 505 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: move beyond ay. This was the number four overall pick. 506 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 2: I got to put the best player in position to 507 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: win games. And I'll say this having watched the Coats 508 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: twice against the Jaguars and both times Joe Flacco played, 509 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: I'm a huge believer that if Joe Flacco was the 510 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 2: starting quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts the entire season, the 511 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: Indianapolis Coats would have been in the postseason. That's the 512 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: difference between the play of the veteran and the play 513 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 2: of the young guy. At some point, Anthony Richardson has 514 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: to earn the right to be the starting quarterback. 515 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 5: As opposed to being given that job just because of 516 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 5: his draft pedigree. 517 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: Buck is in your opinion, and you saw that team 518 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: twice and that's why I'll give you this one. But 519 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins better than anybody that got in their roster. 520 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 5: You know. 521 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: Look, I think Kirk Cousins could give them what Joe 522 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: Flacco has given them. So if you don't, I mean 523 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 2: like they're comparable when it comes to age wise, but yeah, 524 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 2: Kirk could give them a consistent presence if protected, they 525 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: have a running back and Jonathan Taylor that allows them 526 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 2: to run the football. Jonathan Taylor is one of the 527 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: top five rushers in the league this year. If they 528 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 2: lean into the running game and use the passing game 529 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: as a compliment to that, they can do it. And 530 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: if they are better on defense where they can control 531 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: the score, they can kind of play complimentary ball with 532 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: a more ball control approach on offense. 533 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, Kirk Cousins can win there. 534 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: And we've talked about this job before, whether it's Kirk Cousins, 535 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, whatever reclamission project that you want at quarterback. 536 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 5: It's a nice spot because you have a quarterback guru 537 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 5: and Shane Stichen and you have enough talent to win 538 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 5: games there. 539 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: Well, my question is, like, how much more does Kirk 540 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 3: Cousins offer you than Joe Flanco at this point. 541 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 4: I mean, with what we saw. 542 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: From Kirk, you're betting on that that is a product 543 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: of him not being healthy, that he's going to have 544 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: another offseason to get it removed from the achilles and 545 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: he'll be able to function under center and a play 546 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: action offense, which is who he is and what he 547 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: is and not what they did in Atlanta, that would 548 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: be the argument correct. 549 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 3: But I mean based off what we saw in the 550 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: second half of both I mean, I don't think there. 551 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: Was one touchdown your pank for Cousins in his last 552 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: there were five games not great. Yeah, all those guys, 553 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: it's all. It's all the bets. That's what you're gonna 554 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: be doing your homework on there. They're in no man's land. 555 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 556 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: But if I'm Brian Dable with the Giants and I 557 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: think that this is I get it. They gotta i 558 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: gotta win. Right now, you'd be looking to go get 559 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 3: a player like Kirk Cousins rather than you know, putting 560 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 3: all my eggs in a rookie basket here to try 561 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: to win, you know, and you know, with an offensive 562 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 3: line that's you know, been terrible for the last couple 563 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 3: of years. I'd not to say that would benefit Kirk 564 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 3: Cousins any but I'm just saying, like, man, I'd rather 565 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: have the veteran quarterback that I've seen a track record 566 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 3: of than you know, player X that we might get 567 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 3: in the draft. 568 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: So I'll just push, I'll hold on Beck. 569 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 5: I want to. 570 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: I want to get you on this because my I 571 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: think that's different expectations though. If you bring a veteran in, 572 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: the expectation is you're going to the playoffs or you're out. 573 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: If you bring a rookie quarterback in, the bar is lower. 574 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: If the quarterbacks getting better throughout there, you can make 575 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: the argument where the Giants are want to change up everything. 576 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to change up everything. If the quarterback 577 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: is getting better throughout the year, I think that you 578 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: could make that. Yeah, more grace with the younger guy. 579 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 5: See, I think red is onto it. 580 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if the Giants, for the Giants in particular, 581 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if the Giants could go six and 582 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: eleven with the quarterback that is showing promise. 583 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: I think for them, I'm not saying six, but I'm 584 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: saying let's go. They don't make the playoffs and they go, 585 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: let's go eight. You know they're eight to nine team, 586 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, quarterback throws. 587 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 5: That's a five win jump. We got to win five. 588 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: I mean where giants are picking what third Yeah, I 589 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,239 Speaker 3: think yeah, you might be shut out depending on how 590 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: many quarterbacks we think are actually worthy of you know, 591 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: picksway up there like it might. 592 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 4: Not even might be. 593 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: It might be shut out. Whoever's picking two might be 594 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: shut out in this draft. 595 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 4: That's right, that's the story for another day TBD. 596 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: We'll get there, We'll get Yeah. Well, there you go, 597 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: a very very busy few days here in the National 598 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: Football League. Get a chance to break it all down 599 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: for you. I hope you guys enjoyed that. We'll see 600 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: maybe there's more moves to come. If they do, we 601 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: will have all that analysis for you right here on. 602 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: Move the sticks.