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Speaker 1: You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, good morning, good morning, good morning. This is Project

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Speaker 2: and I L. Danny D, the A D, Daniel D, Bernarddinas,

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Speaker 2: athletic director Panchotnam, Anthony Garganta, well, the Fellas and uh

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Speaker 2: residents sports Dad, this is Project ni L.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Danny D.

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Speaker 4: What's going on? Cause how are we doing over there?

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Speaker 3: Uh? We are great. It's coop season and uh, I go.

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Speaker 2: You know we saw last night North Carolina beat Kansas

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Speaker 2: and in a really good game, and uh it's there.

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Speaker 2: This is the week of basketball, and you know, we've

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Speaker 2: been doing a lot of football, as you can well imagine,

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Speaker 2: and some fall sports. Uh it's time this morning to

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Speaker 2: dive into the round ball. And you've already saw it.

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Speaker 2: With a lot of the colleges, it's all portal. I mean,

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Speaker 2: teams are completely different. I look at some rosters, some

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Speaker 2: starting fives, and they're all different from a year ago.

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Speaker 5: It's just wild. It's crazy. I have a good friend

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Speaker 5: who prides himself on knowing where people went to college,

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Speaker 5: and he's losing it. He can't, he can't do it anymore.

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Speaker 5: You could give him random NBA or NFL players and

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Speaker 5: now it's so difficult with the portal.

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Speaker 4: He was always so proud of it.

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Speaker 5: My buddy Chuck Bernard, now he's really struggling with this

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Speaker 5: new age of.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I feel Chuck man. I was the same way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you name a guy and he always Dames College,

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Speaker 2: like with great Ky basketball football, it was the greatest

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Speaker 2: and now party trick. Now it's like, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: taking them three four schools.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's difficult. It's definitely tough to keep up with.

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Speaker 4: I did, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 5: I was pretty good at it, but uh there's people

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Speaker 5: that love it. You know, it's a good conversation starter,

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Speaker 5: but now you got to really really study.

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Speaker 4: It's now you can't casually watch or just be locked.

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Speaker 5: Into the sports because the rosters are changing every week.

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Speaker 5: So it's it's not even you know through a season.

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Speaker 5: You know, they change throughout the season. So it's really

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Speaker 5: difficult to stay on top of it and to really

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Speaker 5: know know they had to have information anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's let's kind of dive into basketball specifically this morning,

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Speaker 2: because you know what we saw portal wise football, it

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Speaker 2: kind of mimics the NFL a little bit NFL free

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Speaker 2: agency where you know, teams go into the portal to

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Speaker 2: get need like I, you know, I have I have

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Speaker 2: a shortage of receivers, or I need a corner or

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Speaker 2: portal and look at those positions. With basketball, it's just

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Speaker 2: completely different. It's makeover. There's really no rhyme or reason.

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Speaker 2: It's like, let me just collect as many players as possible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And in football, you'll still get.

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Speaker 5: The three year guys who stay there, right, because you

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Speaker 5: have to be there for three years. It's super super

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Speaker 5: rare now that you find a basketball player that's at

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Speaker 5: a place and is productive for four years, and that's

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Speaker 5: and to me, that's a shame, right. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: love college basketball. It's you know, March Madness is my

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Speaker 5: favorite time of year. I mean, this probably is my

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Speaker 5: favorite time of year when football is overlapping and basketball starting.

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Speaker 5: It can't get any better for me. But it's really

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Speaker 5: difficult to navigate, and it's and it's hard for these

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Speaker 5: you know, these colleges to keep these kids for multiple years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you're seeing it really play out

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Speaker 3: Lower tier D one, D two, D three.

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Speaker 2: Those teams are are just gonna look, it's all about

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Speaker 2: climbing the ladder in basketball.

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Speaker 5: Yep, you do your job, you find you know, you

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Speaker 5: find that diamond in the rough, and then he does

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Speaker 5: really well and then he has to leave. It's really

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Speaker 5: difficult for these teams to hold on to these players

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Speaker 5: once they kind of blow up onto the scene because

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Speaker 5: you know, again, to make it to that next level

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Speaker 5: for trying to get some a financial head start. And

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Speaker 5: when teams are thrown out four, five, six hundred thousand dollars,

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Speaker 5: it's difficult to say no. And a lot of these

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Speaker 5: lower programs struggle to maintain and hold on to these

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Speaker 2: So I know what, we're gonna take this down, and

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Speaker 2: you're gonna give us the preseason top high school teams,

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Speaker 2: which I'm looking forward to, and some of the names

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Speaker 2: that we should know of kids. I gotta tell you

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Speaker 3: You know it's basketball.

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Speaker 2: We just got done fall baseball, right and.

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Speaker 3: This week and you know we're in the teeth of football.

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Speaker 2: We still have three games left for the playoffs, including

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Speaker 2: one today, and we basketball tryouts are at our local school.

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Speaker 2: My little one goes to Saint Margaret's and I, in fact,

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Speaker 2: I coached jvate the sixth and seventh grade or the

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Speaker 2: and sixth grade I coached, and then the varsity seventh

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Speaker 2: the last four years at that school, and now they

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Speaker 2: have a paid coach. So it's funny. They it was

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Speaker 2: tryouts and you know, of course we're at football practice

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Speaker 2: so we you know, we have the tryouts and he

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Speaker 2: hotbed of hoops, all right, so you know he does

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Speaker 2: really well. And and not to say there's our players,

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Speaker 2: he does really well, right, and code's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: guess him up. And my first reaction is, oh, because

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Speaker 2: right away he's talking about his game and he loves basketball,

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Speaker 2: because kids love basketball, because I love basketball.

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Speaker 3: Basketball's fun.

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Speaker 2: I was a much better baseball football player than I

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Speaker 2: was a basketball player back when I was a kid,

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Speaker 2: when when I was younger, but all I wanted to

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Speaker 2: do was play basketball. And and you know, like there's limitations,

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Speaker 2: like you know, yeah, you can shoot your good for

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Speaker 2: your little level, but once you get to the big pond, right,

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Speaker 2: you're you got no shot. And that's the and that's

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Speaker 2: the curse of basketball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it gets tough. I understand that, right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's super it's it's difficult to navigate, and

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Speaker 5: it's a sport where you know, you need to kind

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Speaker 4: It's hard to really be elite size.

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Speaker 3: You need size.

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Speaker 2: I mean, unless you're a freakish athlete guard with a

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Speaker 2: You need a legitimate six five six six six seven,

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Speaker 3: I see, that's the truth of the matter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, No, I agree, it's tough.

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Speaker 2: So what's your advice as the A D like I oh,

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Speaker 2: like again, I've said this before and people think I'm nuts.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not trying to, but I go, dude,

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Speaker 2: you're probably gonna top out if you get lucky. And

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Speaker 2: I he's he's on his way to six three rights

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Speaker 4: He's got some good size to him for his seventh grader.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, you know, he's not freakishly tall,

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Speaker 2: so you know, put down the basketball.

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Speaker 3: And I don't say that because it's like I.

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Speaker 2: Don't want you to. I don't want I wanted to

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Speaker 2: enjoy himself and go play and have fun, so I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't say that, but I won't focus. I don't

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Speaker 2: make it focus about the like his game like I

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Speaker 2: do with baseball or football.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand that, but I also, like I talked

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Speaker 5: to you before, I love the dual sport athlete. I

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Speaker 5: think it really helps you gain strength, and you know,

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Speaker 5: it helps you get better at your your main sport.

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Speaker 5: Right his base baseball might be his main sport, football

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Speaker 5: might be his main sport, but I think basketball really

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Speaker 5: ties in. I mean story last night, I was at

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Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame induction for Penn Charter and and

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Speaker 2: I love this story that he flies in He's got

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Speaker 2: a game Thursday night against the Raiders, and he flies

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Speaker 2: into town yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so he's gonna be in town for today and

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Speaker 5: for yesterday and today because it's PCGA Day, the longest

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Speaker 5: rivalry in the country, one hundred and thirty nine years

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Speaker 5: of playing sports.

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Speaker 4: So he'll be there as well today and then he'll

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Speaker 4: fly out this afternoon. But they talked about his.

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Speaker 5: High school career, right, he was All league in basketball, football,

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Speaker 5: and he threw the he threw for a track and field,

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Speaker 5: so he's a three sport guy. And he got up

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Speaker 5: track helped him, you know, throwing the javelin in the

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Speaker 5: discuss really helped him with football, and basketball really helped

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Speaker 5: him with football.

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Speaker 4: Right, that helped him with his footwork.

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Speaker 5: So I think if he likes it and he's passionate

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Speaker 5: succeed in another sport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I get that. I get that.

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Speaker 2: I just I see a lot of parents going all

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Speaker 2: and and I hate to say, because I love the sport,

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Speaker 2: right and I want kids to play the sport. But

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Speaker 2: I think it's you got to have a sense of

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Speaker 2: you need a realistic approach. It's not like the other

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Speaker 2: sports with training and like if you're going to invest

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Speaker 2: in your kids athletic career, let's call it. Because there's

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Speaker 2: a professionalization of youth sports that's going on. My only

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Speaker 2: point is there's other investments with soccer, baseball, football, Like

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Speaker 2: there's other investments that have a chance to pay off

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Speaker 2: because of their size.

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Speaker 5: Yep, No, I understand completely agree. Basketball is a little different, right,

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Speaker 5: and then there's not as I also I understand like

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Speaker 5: it's a smaller roster, right, so there's less opportunities as well.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and and my only point is let smaller

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Speaker 2: when you have that kind of size.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, at the highest level, for sure, I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean we're talking about college, so you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously it's not the NBA the pools. The pools is

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Speaker 2: a little wider, but are a little deeper, but not much.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's you know, if you're gonna play, if

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Speaker 2: you're playing at any kind of D one school, you

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Speaker 2: you know, you're you need your body type.

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Speaker 4: No, I agree for sure.

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Speaker 5: So it's definitely something that you know, definitely plays a

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Speaker 5: part in it and how you're going to progress it.

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Speaker 4: You gotta play. There's a lot of factors that going

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Speaker 4: to play with it.

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Speaker 3: What have you at your stops where?

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Speaker 2: And you and you were the president of the Catholic

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Speaker 2: League in Philadelphia, right, so you ran, you ran, And

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Speaker 2: you're talking a lot of D one kids that you've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's great, It's happened in real time. It's nuts.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll talk more about this and the basketball

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Speaker 2: And I'm curious Danny to get Matt's take on the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Matt is a phenomenal coach and we'll get into

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Speaker 2: As uh, Danny and I were diving the hoops, basketballs,

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Speaker 2: as we dive in, as we dive into basketball. And

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Speaker 3: Well, this week is the transition week in the hoops.

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Speaker 2: We saw it with college and joining us right now

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Speaker 6: Morning, Hey, good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 6: Excited to be here. Thank you so much for the

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Speaker 2: So coach uh Danny and I were just talking about

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Speaker 6: changed that program with bringing in the right transfers in

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Speaker 6: this nil landscape because he was able to attract players

438
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Speaker 6: that normally they couldn't, but they had money and they

439
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 6: were able to say, hey, come here for a year,

440
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Speaker 6: we'll pay you well and compete at this level and

441
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 6: it's an attractive sell. So they did for two years.

442
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Speaker 6: And now Will Wade goes to NC State with his

443
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Speaker 6: level of successful I think it's just completely transformed. How

444
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 6: you know, you can look at college sports. It's professional

445
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 6: now and certainly you can see all over, not only

446
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Speaker 6: in basketball, with football if it's changed.

447
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Speaker 2: Sure.

448
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Speaker 5: And so for Matt, first of all, congratulations on be

449
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 5: in two. And oh the Bison starting the season night

450
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 5: they will have big win last night.

451
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Speaker 4: So they're two. And oh let's give the Bison some flowers. Man, Yeah,

452
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Speaker 4: let's go so too.

453
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Speaker 5: No, but also so, like Matt was talking about, like

454
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Speaker 5: they played Louisville, So these smaller teams have to play

455
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 5: these games because they get paid to play these games.

456
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Speaker 2: Right.

457
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Speaker 4: So, but now it's double edged sword.

458
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Speaker 5: Right, You're getting paid to you know, be a game

459
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Speaker 5: for a bigger school Louisville, Kentucky.

460
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Speaker 4: Right, a duke.

461
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Speaker 5: But you're also now you have to worry about like

462
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Speaker 5: the second the season ends, these guys are you're you're

463
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Speaker 5: you're paying them, but also they're paying you. But then

464
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 5: also they're they're going to try to play play your

465
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Speaker 5: best players.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, we have a we have a player, he's a

467
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Speaker 6: young player and in that game versus Louisville, he makes

468
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Speaker 6: one move from the top of the key where he

469
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 6: goes through his legs, he splits two defenders and he

470
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Speaker 6: makes a lab and we're sitting there as a staff

471
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Speaker 6: jokingly but also with oh no, we're like that, Well,

472
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Speaker 6: we won't have him for very long, you know, like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, that's so tough.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, coach, it's I guess it's with every level.

475
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Speaker 2: It becomes just the reality of it right where you

476
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: know the kids are, you know, you're you're kind of

477
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Speaker 2: running these kids for a year.

478
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Speaker 3: How do you how do you teach?

479
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Speaker 2: Like, how do you go about practice and player development

480
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Speaker 2: knowing that you know you may lose a handful of kids.

481
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Speaker 6: Well, Fran Dumphy, who I love your friend mentor obviously

482
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame coach, He said, it the best. I

483
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 6: think when he retired from sal this past year and

484
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Speaker 6: he said, see the best you can with what you

485
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Speaker 6: have where you are, and that is always the mindset

486
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 6: you You pour in everything you have as a coach

487
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Speaker 6: into the player and the person. It's not you can't

488
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Speaker 6: control these things. What you can control as a coach

489
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Speaker 6: is how you help a player become a better you know,

490
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Speaker 6: from a skills standpoint, and how you help them become

491
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 6: a better from a player development standpoint, how they approach

492
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 6: the game, how they see the game, and you let

493
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Speaker 6: the ships fall where they may at the end. You

494
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 6: never know what the future brings. And so I think

495
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 6: that's number one. Number two. Uh. Something that's a little

496
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 6: unique is that, like buck Nell's in a higher academic conference.

497
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Speaker 6: So the Patriot League and the Patriot League is a

498
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 6: parallel with the IVY. Both conferences have the highest level

499
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Speaker 6: of retention in the country. So a lot of the

500
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 6: players that we have, it's not a guarantee that they'll leave.

501
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 6: Certainly there are there are attractive offers out there. I'll

502
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Speaker 6: give you an example in our league. There was a

503
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Speaker 6: young player who was very talented, produced very well in

504
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 6: our league, and he goes from Holy Cross to Northwestern,

505
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Speaker 6: So you could argue that the academics are similar with us.

506
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Speaker 6: It's a great school and he can get nil money.

507
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Speaker 6: So that's the competition there. But because of that, the

508
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 6: other thing I'll say is a lot of the players

509
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Speaker 6: that we recruit are interested in there. If they lead

510
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Speaker 6: the conversation with hey, what's your nil package, we know

511
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 6: it's not the right fit, and they they quickly find

512
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Speaker 6: out that it's not the right fit either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, budget budget wise, I mean, you guys aren't North

514
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Speaker 2: Caroline and so I mean I think that's got to

515
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Speaker 2: be an obvious kind of conversation, right.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, absolutely. It's the higher level that you recruit at,

517
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Speaker 6: the more transparency you have early on in those type

518
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Speaker 6: of conversations. You know, if you're talking about your recruiting

519
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 6: at University of Miami, the first conversation you might have

520
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 6: in this day and ages, what's your budget? You if

521
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 6: you don't have a bottom line of this amount of money,

522
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 6: Let's not waste each other's time. For us, we lead with, hey,

523
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 6: we're school. You can get a well rounded experience will

524
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 6: help develop you as a player. Certainly, there's players that

525
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 6: come to Bucknell who have been professional. We have eight

526
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Speaker 6: players playing currently professionally, two who are in the EuroLeague,

527
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 6: one who just retired from the NBA, one who's chieved.

528
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 6: So and you get a great education and you can develop,

529
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Speaker 6: you know, in the in the social setting, so in

530
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Speaker 6: the alumni that all these things that we're once attractive

531
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Speaker 6: I think still applies now. And those are the players

532
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Speaker 6: that we want and really like, are really excited about

533
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 6: the opportunity. But as you get higher up, like the Louisville's,

534
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 6: the Dukes are North Carolina's. Uh, that's more. Hey, here's

535
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 6: the bottom line of what we can pay you. Here's

536
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 6: your nil opportunity. Obviously where's it? Uh tell you. But

537
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Speaker 6: here's the last part.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Bucknell Head associated head coach Matt Griffin

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Speaker 2: on Project Dot. I L Davey g Murda, Dinas, I'm

540
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: Anthony Gargatta. We're right here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm sorry, coach,

541
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Speaker 2: go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is that players are making far more money

543
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 6: in college now than they will than they are even

544
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 6: in the NBA. Like it's and it could be five

545
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Speaker 6: times six times you know what they're what they would

546
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 6: actually be projected to make in the NBA. So think

547
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 6: about that, you grow up playing the game of basketball. OK,

548
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 6: all I want to do is make the NBA. Now, Like,

549
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 6: even as you're at the Atlantic ten level, you can

550
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 6: make a million dollars playing and being starting at the

551
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 6: A ten and then you can go to the NBA,

552
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 6: be a second round draft pick and be making half

553
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 6: of that, you know, a quarter of that. So uh,

554
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 6: it's really interesting that you'll see a higher level talents

555
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 6: want to stay in college sports even though they might

556
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 6: balance around schools, but it's actually financially more responsible for

557
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 6: them to stay because their game probably doesn't translate to

558
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 6: the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Coach, we got like.

560
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: Time for one more, and I need to ask this question.

561
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Speaker 2: How do you approach high school kids? Like, you know,

562
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Speaker 2: I've saw the Rick Patino thing where you know he's

563
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: not recruiting high schools at all. How do you, guys,

564
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: how do you see it in the big picture for

565
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Speaker 2: high school kids.

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Speaker 6: I think you there's a balance. I think you need

567
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 6: a balance of recruiting that there are some really good

568
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 6: young players who can contribute at right away, but I

569
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 6: think it's really helpful and tactful to get older players

570
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 6: to come in as well, who are more college ready

571
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 6: on and off the court. It has forced teams like

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Speaker 6: us to to do that to compete consistently year and

573
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 6: you're out because if you have all young guys, you're

574
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 6: not going to have all those young guys to the

575
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 6: end of their career. So it actually puts you at

576
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 6: a disadvantage in my opinion, if you just do it

577
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 6: the way that everybody else did it back in the day.

578
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 6: So you have to adapt to the times and certainly

579
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 6: get some older players from the transfer portal, but not

580
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 6: completely turned a blind eye to the high school kids.

581
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Speaker 6: There's a lot of high school kids who can contribute

582
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 6: right away, and so we do. We really work hard

583
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 6: and finding that striking that balance, and that is the game.

584
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 6: That's the game. That's why it's really tough, but it

585
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 6: certainly presents a ton of opportunity unity to keep your

586
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 6: team and your program in the right spot for as

587
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 6: long as you need to coach.

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Speaker 3: You are fantastic. We got to do this again.

589
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: You know, we're working Damie and I are working on

590
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: the podcast, so uh we need to sit with you

591
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: and pick your brain. You're terrific and uh listen, great,

592
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: good luck, all right, t it up.

593
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 4: Bison.

594
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 5: Matt's one of the best coaches in the country, developer

595
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 5: of the game, but also people, Matt is an elite,

596
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 5: elite coach and if anyone's out there and the thing

597
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 5: about buck Now, he's the guy.

598
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: And let's go buy some baby.

599
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Speaker 6: Thank you so much of what an honor and it

600
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Speaker 6: was to be on the show with you guys. Thank

601
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 6: you so much. And uh, I just uh really appreciate it.

602
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 6: Awesome show. I love it and uh, thank you guys.

603
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: Thanks coach, appreciated pal.

604
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Speaker 2: Here he is Matt Griffin, associated coach at buck Now

605
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: as we talk about basketball, Baby, Mike, God, this this

606
00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: hour flies by.

607
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: We got to take a quick time out. We'll come

608
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: right back.

609
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Speaker 2: Project Din, I L Danny D and the A D

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Speaker 2: Man and from the fellas as we in sports Dad,

611
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Speaker 2: as we hang out on a Fox don't.

612
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Speaker 1: Listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

613
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Speaker 2: And I coach too fast, Danny D so fast because

614
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Speaker 2: two fast and you know we're talking to Matt Griffin.

615
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Speaker 3: Do you associate head coach at buck Now?

616
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Speaker 2: And I had a million questions for him, man, because

617
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Speaker 2: when you look at and I meant to ask him

618
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Speaker 2: what his budget would be like. In fact, we have

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Speaker 2: a great listener Southside Chuck who is from Kentucky, and

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Speaker 2: he was talking about the University of Kentucky. They're nil budget.

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Speaker 2: It's like twenty million, right Louisville. Louisville's probably you know,

622
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Speaker 2: I mean we're between you know, fifteen to eighteen million,

623
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: like right around the same number. How much do you

624
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: think buck Nell is like at school? Like buck Nell

625
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: probably be budget.

626
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: A million, and like I know, like like I'm close

627
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 4: with the guys at FGC.

628
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 5: He're doing a great job out there, and like patch

629
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Speaker 5: kind of thing was like he'll pay you try to

630
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 5: get the top guy's money, but he just pays everyone

631
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 5: because you can't pay everyone so much.

632
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 4: So he tried to give everyone.

633
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 5: Like when they first started out, every kid on the

634
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 5: roster was getting ten grand minimum. Right, you try to

635
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 5: start off with things like that when you don't have

636
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 5: enough to spread.

637
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 4: It out to everybody. Uh, try to build an equity

638
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 4: like that and try to make everyone feel to love.

639
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 5: But a prime example of buck Nell is you know,

640
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 5: two years ago when Matt and his brother John got there,

641
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 5: and you know, I watched them closely. They had a

642
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 5: kid from like Lithuania or something. Coen walking chew Gum.

643
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 5: They develop him. He becomes last year Player of the Year.

644
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 5: He's at He's at Alabama.

645
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: Right, Like, you got to be kidding me.

646
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: He got there. I could I lie to you not.

647
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 5: I went to a game where he went one for

648
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 5: ten and didn't look like he could make a layup

649
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 5: his first year. His second year, because of their development

650
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 5: skills and how great of coaches they are, he's Player

651
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 5: of the Year.

652
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: And then you know he had to hit the portal.

653
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 5: And you can't blame him if he's gonna go get

654
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 5: a million or two million dollars, right, and I'm sure

655
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 5: they can all fer him one hundred thousand, right, So

656
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Speaker 5: it's it's very difficult.

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Speaker 4: But again, you know, they do a really good job

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Speaker 4: of the balance of the young and old.

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Speaker 5: I think they do a really good job of player development.

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Speaker 5: And like he said, they have high level education. And

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Speaker 5: I tell parents all the time, it's great to get

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Speaker 5: some money, right, to get a couple hundred thousand dollars,

663
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Speaker 5: but one percent of one percent make it to the NBA.

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Speaker 4: You have to hit the lottery. So you really need

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Speaker 4: to fall back on.

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Speaker 5: That education and that network and sticking it out of

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Speaker 5: some of these schools, you know, might be the play

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Speaker 5: opposed to chasing that short term money. But you know,

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Speaker 5: every situation is different, and you know, I want people

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Speaker 5: to get paid and chase their dreams. So if there

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Speaker 5: is that life change of money or money that you

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Speaker 5: know can help their family, you know, you gotta do

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Speaker 5: what you gotta do and do what's best for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think one of the things that's

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Speaker 2: fascinating to me with a situation like a buck now

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Speaker 2: and a lot of those smaller D one schools is

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Speaker 2: I didn't even think about this, but like these games

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Speaker 2: are like scouting missions.

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Speaker 5: Right, it wasn't so much because if you transferred, you

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Speaker 5: had to sit out right, so they weren't.

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Speaker 2: Really Yeah, they weren't looking at you, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now it's like you all right, they might pay you

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Speaker 5: a million dollars to go play down in Kentucky for

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Speaker 5: like a by game, right. But also like he said,

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Speaker 5: he said, oh man, this young kid he made a move,

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Speaker 5: and we turned to ourselves and said, oh.

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Speaker 2: Man, yeah, that's that's like we're gonna lose that because

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00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: when you see that, like it's such an inexact science

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00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: you brought to you and I were talking off the

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Speaker 2: air about these rankings, right, and we're gonna get into

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Speaker 2: that next week.

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Speaker 3: We'll we'll lead the show with them and kind of

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Speaker 3: do a deep dive.

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Speaker 4: We got the top ten for the teams and the

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Speaker 4: top ten for the players, so.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: And then we'll do our rule. Also we need to

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Speaker 2: recap our football and everything else. But you know what's

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Speaker 2: interesting is the rankings are so inexact, oh right, like

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00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: you know, so you know, it's so hard to kind

702
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: of pay them slop them in because you don't know.

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00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: And then you get a kid that comes in and

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Speaker 2: they may be a little bit of a late bloomer,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you go, oh my god,

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00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: we've got to dive into a rough, which is like

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00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: a curse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a gift and a curse. You get it both, right.

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Speaker 5: It's it's like great for the year, and you're developing

710
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 5: them and you're you know, they're helping you win and

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Speaker 5: you know you're pushing through.

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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, it's like, yep,

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Speaker 4: we have them for six more months and we're going

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Speaker 4: to have to, you know, move on.

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Speaker 5: So again, I just try to, you know, caution parents

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Speaker 5: to see the big picture as best they can and

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00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 5: always you know, it's not always greener either, Right, So

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Speaker 5: let's let's be patient.

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Speaker 4: Let's think about all the you know, everything that goes

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Speaker 4: into it and what what could be next.

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Speaker 5: Right, Don't just don't be in, don't be a product

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Speaker 5: at the moment, right, try to think about the future

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Speaker 5: and how this plays out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it's it's I think about this

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00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: a lot, right, because it's a little bit of a

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00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: shame that they're gonna. Kids are gonna their experiences are

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00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: are different. It's not a four year or five year

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Speaker 2: kind of I'm in I'm in school, same school or

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00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: just two schools.

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Speaker 3: You're just constantly moving.

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Speaker 2: Like and we talked about graduating high school earlier or

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Speaker 2: leaving high school at Christmas break, and they kind of

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Speaker 2: get robbed of that, you know, senior year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough.

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Speaker 5: It's a really tough balance. And you know, I've seen

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Speaker 5: kids leave early and it might have helped them long term,

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Speaker 5: but none of them played right away. You know, that's

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Speaker 5: the reason why you leave really is to play right away.

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Speaker 5: I've never seen it where a kid, at least with

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Speaker 5: me directly where they've been able to play right away,

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Speaker 5: but thanks so much to Matt, great guy.

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Speaker 4: I already talked to him. We're gonna get them back

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Speaker 4: in a month or so.

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Speaker 5: Check in and continue perfect dive into these questions of

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Speaker 5: the ever changing landscape.

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Speaker 3: All Right, I love it. That's gonna do it for us.

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Speaker 3: The Fellas coming up next.

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Speaker 2: Couple on Fox Sports Radio.

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