1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's me James, and just before you hear 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: the episode, i'd want to warn you that you can 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: hear our telephones going absolutely mental for much of this episode. 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: That's because as we were recording, people have found out 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: that SDG and E San Diego Gas Electric were restricting 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: access to one of the sites where migrants were. 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: In need of aid. 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: People were very concerned about that, so they were reaching 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: out to James and Jacqueline and Pedro to ask for 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: assistance and to me to let me know if I 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: could get the word out. That's why you can hear 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: our phones going crazy, and I think it's good that 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: it's in there in a sense because perhaps you can 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: get a sense of how mad the last few weeks 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: have been for everyone. Our phones have constantly be going off. 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 1: I'm sure mine a lot less than James and Jacquelines 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: and Pedros because people are overwhelmed and they need more 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: help than we were able to give. So consider that 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: background noise a blessing and I hope you enjoyed the episode. 20 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 2: Thanks. 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, it's me James today and I hear again 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: to talk about the border today. I'm joined by some guests. 23 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm joined by James and Jacqueline from Border Kindness, who 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,639 Speaker 1: we've heard from before, and I'm also joined by Pedro 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: Rias from the American French Service Committee. If you guys 26 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: would like to introduce yourself and explain the kind of 27 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: role you play along the border, that'd be wonderful if 28 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: we start with Pedro, because folks haven't heard from him before, 29 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: that would be great. 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: Great. 31 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 4: Thank you James, and it's such an honor to be 32 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 4: on the show together with folks from Border Kindness, James 33 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 4: and Jacqueline. It's great to see you again. My name 34 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: is Pedro Rios. I'm director of the American Friend Service 35 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 4: Committee's US Mexico Border Program, which is a Quaker based 36 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 4: human rights organization. I've been on staff now for twenty 37 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 4: years working in San Diego on border issues and it's 38 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 4: been a whorldwind of two decades of work being able 39 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 4: to follow this topic. Our work primarily focuses on border 40 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 4: issues and we have four components, one of which is 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: documenting civil and human rights abuses that occur when contact 42 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 4: goes awry between primary federal immigration authorities with members of 43 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 4: civil society, including migrants and order community residents. Documentation could 44 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 4: be case evolving abuse of practices, abuse of policies, cases 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: evolving abuse of authority, and so on and so forth. 46 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: We also do a lot of policy analysis and advocacy 47 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: at the local level, at the state level, and at 48 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: the federal level, trying to hold agencies accountable, making them 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: more transparent, ensuring that there are oversight mechanisms and how 50 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 4: they operate. And that's done in conjunction with several coalitions 51 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: at the county wide level in San Diego, but also 52 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 4: at the national level with the Southern Border Communities Coalition 53 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: and other organizations as well. And then we obviously work 54 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 4: in allyship with a lot of other organizations that have 55 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: campaigns of mutual interest, some of which have been going 56 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 4: on for a long time, such as the Friends of 57 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 4: Friendship Park and trying to gain access public access to 58 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 4: Friendship Park, which currently is being impacted by the construction 59 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: of two thirty foot border walls. And we also work 60 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 4: directly with community members and providing information about what the 61 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: rights are, how they can become and our leaders in 62 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 4: their own communities, and how they can be active in 63 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 4: straightening their communities and providing guidance to other people who 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 4: might be in the same circumstances. So in a nutshell, 65 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 4: that's the work that we do. 66 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, great, it's very important work. 67 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: And then James and Jacqueline, do you want to explain 68 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: Folks are familiar I think with border kindness from the 69 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: pre this episode, but like, maybe what have you been 70 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: doing in the last I can't remember two weeks like 71 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: since people started being held out in the open again. 72 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 5: So in our organizations kind of always evolving with like 73 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 5: the evolving needs of the border, and over the last 74 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 5: I want to say, like years in particular, we've really 75 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 5: started to emphasize our services being present in the rural border. 76 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 5: We're based in Mahikali, primarily, our water drops are generally 77 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 5: in the Imperial Valley region, and we started to extend 78 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 5: our services to the rural community in San Diego County 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 5: with regards to like day labor, providing aid to micro 80 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 5: community that's living in rural communities. So all that to say, 81 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 5: when the border appeared to be having one of its 82 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 5: episodes of chaos, what's happened in the last couple of 83 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 5: weeks with folk being detained between the walls down in 84 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 5: sanny Siedrol and then folks being you know, just dumped 85 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 5: out into the street at the transit centers if we've 86 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 5: been seeing all over Sandygo County. We sort of held 87 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 5: off because we knew this was going to happen in Hakuma. 88 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 5: This is kind of one of those sixth sense kind 89 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 5: of things, like when you see the writing on the 90 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 5: wall and it was like only a matter of time 91 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 5: before people ended up pushed into rural San Diego County, 92 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 5: and unfortunately that has been the case. So we were 93 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 5: actually out in the desert doing a water drop and 94 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 5: heard that that impact had occurred and there were hundreds 95 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 5: of people in Hakkumba. So we've been out there providing 96 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 5: aid ever since. 97 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so perhaps we could describe these. So there are 98 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: like three things I think people would benefit from knowing about. 99 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: One is the detention of people between the walls in 100 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: sanny Cedral, which I think Pedro has seen a lot 101 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: of I've seen and we've seen each other down there 102 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: several days. The detention of folks in the open desert 103 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: in Hakumba, and this this dumping of migrant to various 104 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: transit centers across the county. Those are the three things 105 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: a week we've seen, like in massive numbers. 106 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 2: This last couple of. 107 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: Weeks, so preps, we could start with explaining her Cumba 108 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: and then Pedro can take on explaining the other two 109 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: because I know he's been responding to those. So can 110 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: you just tell us, like what you saw, the number 111 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: of people, the conditions in which they're being held, and 112 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. 113 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 6: Yeah. Usually, well we're seeing now. I mean now it's 114 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 6: currently what today? What isday? 115 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: Wednesday? So I know it is. 116 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well this morning I asked Jacke on what 117 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 6: day it was, because it just seems like a broken blur, 118 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 6: you know, the day out. But we are on Wednesday night. 119 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 6: That's Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Every day so far we 120 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 6: have noticed a revolving door of roughly two and fifty 121 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 6: spread out between one to three camps every day. There's 122 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 6: a camp on the east side in Hokomba, There's a 123 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 6: camp that's on the west side of Hokkumba, and then 124 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 6: there's a camp that's just outside Hokomba and Boulevard that 125 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 6: seems to be the biggest camp right now. That camp 126 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 6: is the largest one because it's kind of hidden. You 127 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 6: got to drive down from the main highway. You have 128 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 6: to drive, you know, at least fifteen minutes you know, 129 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 6: down some dirt roads, back roads, you know, past ranches 130 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 6: and stuff like that to get to that open air camp, 131 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 6: where the other ones, especially like we saw in May, 132 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 6: were more like wide open, closer to the towns, closer 133 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 6: to visibility, closer to highway access. And so what we've 134 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 6: noticed is that that speaking with the locals and seeing 135 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 6: for ourselves that every day the camps that are more 136 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 6: visible are having less people coming in and they're being 137 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 6: taken out faster. And so that part, I think is, 138 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 6: you know, could be done for a multitude of reasons. 139 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 6: But the camp that's hidden and out of you is 140 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 6: the one that seems kind of strategic and seems calculated 141 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 6: on a greater level that as people are being loaded 142 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 6: up on vans or buses to be taken out for processing, 143 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 6: almost the same amount of people gets walked in to 144 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 6: that camp from the actual border by border patrol. So 145 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 6: it it's definitely an odd situation that's going on there. 146 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 6: It seems definitely calculated orchestrated and something that you know, 147 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 6: we feel that will be going on for quite a while. 148 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let me talk about that, right, Like people 149 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: are crossing and then being being transported, like you say, 150 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: on foot by Border Patrol to the camp. That's your understanding, 151 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: right to that camp in in near Boulevard. 152 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: I'll say, I don't want to give the exact. 153 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 6: Location, correct, Yes, So we witnessed that as well. We 154 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 6: witnessed on Monday night that we were there to help 155 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 6: distribute food and warm supplies, and I think a total 156 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 6: of five or six Border Patrol vans had, you know, 157 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 6: about one hundred people or so lined up and loaded 158 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 6: up onto those vans. And then right as they were 159 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 6: getting ready to have the last two vans leave, we 160 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 6: saw in the distance, in the opposite direction, Order Patrol 161 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 6: their truck driving behind a group of roughly eighty eighty 162 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 6: five new migrants coming in on foot. Yeah, right around 163 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 6: there's a gap in the fence. 164 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw people walking in. I was there the 165 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: day before you guys, So I was early as I 166 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: was the early Monday morning, and I saw the same thing, 167 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: like you know, sort of just after dawn. I couldn't 168 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: make out who was walking home just because it was dark. 169 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: Can you explain briefly, and then then we'll move to 170 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: to Pedro's situation. Can you explain the services that are 171 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: provided for them by Border Patrol, and then what is 172 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: provided for them by volunteers. 173 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 5: By Border Patrol. It's essentially nothing. When this occurred in May, 174 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 5: we heard that most people were receiving an eight ounce 175 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 5: bottle of water daily, not really distributed in an organized manner. Currently, 176 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 5: we're observing that people are when they arrive, they're at 177 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 5: times provided with a sixteen ounce bottle of water and 178 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 5: potentially a little proddler sized pack of goldfish crackers. Border 179 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:59,359 Speaker 5: Patrol is not providing any other continued services food, shelter, sanitation, 180 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 5: anything like that. Those things have all been organized at 181 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 5: a community level by a variety of organizations such as 182 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 5: ours that's comprised of just regular people. So it's the 183 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: government's task of managing a humanitarian crisis. 184 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 4: They have. 185 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 5: Like really outsourced it to the general community of supporters. 186 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 5: So they have taken not just the role of not 187 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 5: having any responsibility towards caring for migrants in like the 188 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 5: most basic manner, but it also seems like they have 189 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 5: come to expect the general community to come in and 190 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 5: fill the gaps that they're not meeting. So Border Patrol 191 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 5: is not providing them with anything. It's everyday regular people 192 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 5: that are showing up with blankets, food, water, hygiene items. 193 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 5: It's getting really cold, so people are distributing warm clothing, diapers, formula, 194 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 5: anything that people need is being provided by the community. 195 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 196 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good summary, I think. So, Pedrick, could 197 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: you explain how the how the situation is in sanny 198 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: Edra and then also at the transit centers and it's 199 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: a pretty similar situation, I think. 200 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I'll start with Sunny zero and the location 201 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 4: where community members and organizations have set up is known 202 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: as Whiskey eight. There are at least three other locations 203 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 4: that we know where encampments have formed. One is Whisky four, 204 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: which is close to the Las America Shopping Mall. It's 205 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 4: an outlet mall closer to the port of entry, and 206 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 4: then about a mile west of Whiskey eight there's Spooners Mesa, 207 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: and then close to that there's ninety one X. The 208 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 4: Spooners Mesa is primarily where the men's encampment is has 209 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 4: been arranged, and this happened back in May. There is 210 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 4: an incident where Border patrol decided to to move all 211 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 4: the single adult men and walk them marched them essentially 212 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 4: about a mile up a hill and then up another 213 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 4: hill to get to Spooner's Mesa. After some advocacy last week, 214 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 4: we convinced super Patrol to allow two of us to 215 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 4: go up there to feed about anywhere between three hundred 216 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 4: and eighty and four hundred men. And it took us 217 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 4: over an hour, about an hour fifteen minutes to feed 218 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 4: all of the men. Fortunately, we just barely had enough 219 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 4: food for all of them. This was in the evening 220 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 4: and as we were driving in and driving out, all 221 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 4: we could see was milar blankets strown about, and that's 222 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: all that was up there. And these were the men 223 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 4: that were these milar blankets down in Whiskey eight. How 224 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 4: community members and organizations have arranged the solidarity support stations 225 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 4: have been in four set So you have the charging state, 226 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 4: you have the medical supplies and other item station, then 227 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 4: you have the food station and then the water station. 228 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 4: And so we try to maintain the medical supplies. The 229 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 4: food station is available only when we have enough food 230 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 4: to provide substance to everyone there. We don't want to 231 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 4: create a situation where we only serve half of the 232 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 4: people or a quarter of the people. And then the 233 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 4: other people go hungry, and mind you, it's important to 234 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: point out that when people arrive there, they are hungry, 235 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: they are thirsty. Some of them have scrapes because they 236 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 4: scale the primary border barrier and injure themselves. Others are 237 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: wet because they walked through the canal to get to 238 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 4: that location. I've also witnessed on several locations where a 239 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 4: border patrol will tell people who are injured to walk 240 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 4: towards our location because they tell them that that's where 241 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 4: we will provide them with medical care. Now, I think 242 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 4: it's important to mention that under customers in a border 243 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 4: protection which is a parent agency of the Border Patrol, 244 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 4: under their national standards for how they are supposed to transport, escort, 245 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 4: detain and search people under their custody, they are obligated 246 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 4: to feed, to provide water, to provide shelter, to treat 247 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 4: medical urgencies. Anytime that individuals are under their custody. There 248 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: is some back and forth. Orbitral locally will say that 249 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 4: individuals are not under their custody until they are being transported, 250 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 4: even though they will provide them with a wristband or 251 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 4: bracelet in some cases tell them to remove their shoelaces, 252 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: direct them to where they should be walking, yell at 253 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 4: them when they're not forming in lines in order to 254 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 4: be picked up, sometimes throw a fit and will not 255 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 4: pick people up even though they're supposed to be there 256 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 4: to do that because people are not in lines as 257 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 4: quickly as it should be. All of this to several 258 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 4: of our organizations in the cake that border patrol at 259 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 4: some to some degree has people under their custody and 260 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 4: as such is violating the these national standards because it's 261 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: not meeting their needs at any level. Besides maybe the 262 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 4: bottle of water might provide and the one or two 263 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 4: granola bars they provide per day. 264 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: If even that, Yeah, I think it's the national border patrol. 265 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: Pio also claimed to me that they were not detaining 266 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: people and that people were free to quote return to Mexico, 267 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: which like these people, I'm from Mexico and in many 268 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: cases and like I think the first day, maybe I 269 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: saw you speaking to one family who come from Mexico, 270 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: but the vast guority of people weren't, and there'd also 271 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: be entering Mexico between ports of entry because they're in 272 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: the United States at this time. So yeah, it's just 273 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: not that those people are like, there's there's lots of 274 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: evidence that they're being detained, even if they say they're not. 275 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: What then happens to those people? We've all seen it, right. 276 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: These vans pull up. They generally process people in a 277 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: certain order, which is to take unaccomplited miners and women 278 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: who are alone with children, and then families and then 279 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: single adults. What happens to them once they get on 280 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: that van? Do we have a clear sense of that 281 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: where they end up. 282 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 4: They will be taken to any one of several borbaitral 283 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 4: stations for processing. And it's that processing stage where most 284 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 4: of them who are in these locations are there because 285 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 4: they want to present themselves to the authority and begin 286 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: an asilum claim, and so it's how they answer the 287 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 4: questions while being processed that they get tracked, mostly for asylum. 288 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 4: There are some that will be quickly removed from the 289 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 4: country expeditiously, but most of them will be tracked for asylum. 290 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 4: They will be given a court date when they should 291 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 4: show up, and that court date the court location depends 292 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 4: on where their final destination will be. Technically, Mexicans can 293 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 4: only be detained for forty eight hours non Mexicans can 294 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 4: only be detained no more than seventy two hours, So 295 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 4: within that detention period, they then are being transported to 296 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 4: one of four locations in San Diego County, two of 297 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 4: which are in San Diego, the Santy Zero Transit Center, 298 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 4: in the IRIS Transit Center, one in Oceanside, and the 299 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 4: other in Alcohol. And so we're seeing the majority of 300 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 4: the people being transported to saniny Ero and to IRIS, 301 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 4: and that's where colleagues with other sister organizations are leading 302 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 4: the charge to try to support them with seeing in 303 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 4: charging phones, providing food, clothing, getting them to the airport, 304 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 4: getting them transportation, getting them housing, and as much as 305 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 4: limited as that's possible, trying to connect them with lost 306 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 4: family members. Because families have been separated, there are adult 307 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 4: children eighteen nineteen who also are trying to figure out 308 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 4: where their family members are. And in some cases, as 309 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 4: a conversation I had with them men from Venezuela, he 310 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 4: had no idea what city he was at either though 311 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 4: he was in San Diego, and so trying to make 312 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 4: that type of arrangement and clarification is always challenging as well. 313 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously also expensive, right, Like these things all 314 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: place burdens on like your donation network, and both in 315 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: sort of the community in general. And perhaps we can 316 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: talk about like, because the scale of support that's been 317 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: provided by the community is extremely impressive, and given how 318 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: many people have already come through this sort of not 319 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: detention detention system, perhaps both you could talk about like 320 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: the support you've been able to provide and how people 321 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: who are not in San Diego can help you continue 322 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: to provide that support. 323 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 5: So the first day that we heard of folks coming in, 324 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 5: because obviously it's interesting because border patrol, like Pedro says 325 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 5: like they're claiming that these people are not under their care, 326 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 5: but they're very much acting as if they're under their 327 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 5: detained care. They're telling people that if they call an 328 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 5: ambulance to seek medical care, as we observe, they say, well, 329 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 5: that's going to affect your case if you leave. And 330 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 5: so people are very much under the deliberate impression that 331 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 5: they are being detained, but they're not being cared for 332 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 5: in the most basic way. And so we first responded 333 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 5: on Saturday. By Sunday we were there with five hundred 334 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 5: meals that went very very quickly, providing shelter items for 335 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 5: people so tarps. Hakumba is a very rugged desert terrain. 336 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 5: There is no shade in these areas, so people are 337 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 5: making sort of like makeshift shelters, but there is nothing 338 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 5: shielding them from the sun, which is really unrelenting all 339 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 5: day and it gets up to the nineties. So we've 340 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 5: been providing tarps, pop ups, that sort of thing, so 341 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 5: people are not becoming sick from overexposure. We're providing hygiene items, 342 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 5: we're providing just basic needs. And that gets incredibly expensive 343 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 5: because if it was a static situation, such as in 344 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 5: May when there was eighteen hundred to two thousand people, 345 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 5: that was a huge undertaking that also took a lot 346 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 5: of community collaboration to meet the needs of so many people. 347 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 5: But this time around, as James says, it's like a 348 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 5: revolving door of hundreds and hundreds of people. So it's 349 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 5: taking hundreds and hundreds While at any given time there 350 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 5: may be only and I say only two to three 351 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 5: hundred people, that doesn't mean that to only two to 352 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 5: three hundred people needed to be fed that day. It's 353 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 5: that you know that is who is there at that time, 354 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 5: and when people arrive, as Pedro said, like they haven't 355 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 5: eaten in days. We talked to people that said that 356 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 5: they took two days to walk to Hakumba. So if 357 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 5: they arrived to Tijuana without much food in their belly 358 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 5: and then they're having to walk for two days, they're 359 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 5: arriving starving and begging for food and not being provided 360 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 5: with absolutely anything. So if it wasn't for all of 361 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 5: the organizations that are showing up and taking sort of 362 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 5: shifts to feed people, there would be nothing for them. 363 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 5: And we have absolutely no idea how long this is 364 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 5: going to go on. It could be over today, it 365 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 5: could go on for months year. I mean, we really 366 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 5: don't know what to expect. And organizations are being relied 367 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 5: on to provide you know, life sustaining care for people, 368 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 5: but we're not being communicated with from border patrol as 369 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 5: to basically anything, what the outlook is, what the numbers are, 370 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 5: what the updates of how the situation is going to evolve. 371 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 5: So every day is a surprise and we need to 372 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 5: have resources to be able to meet the needs of 373 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 5: that day. It's incredibly like consuming of every resource including 374 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 5: time and gas is six dollars a gallon. 375 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, now you need to drive your truck right because 376 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: like you can't get to some of the locations, Like 377 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: I know, I have a bigger truck and looks of 378 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: my friends about to catch a rye with me because 379 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: the cause can't make it. 380 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 5: The exactly like, we have people that have gas efficient 381 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 5: low priuses and stuff, and they're going to bottom out 382 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 5: out there. So we have our huge lifted jeep that 383 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 5: you know doesn't get as much gas mileage as something, 384 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 5: but it's also going to be able to get the 385 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 5: supplies out there. So every aspect of it is incredibly 386 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 5: consuming of resources and we don't know what to expect. 387 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 5: It's not it's hard to budget. You don't know what 388 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 5: I expect. So the community has obviously come together in support. 389 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 5: But then it's like, well, how do we manage this 390 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 5: when we don't we can't forecast what's going on, So 391 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 5: it's tough. It's definitely tough. We need sustained support. 392 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 6: If I may add on that, as Jacquelin said, the 393 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 6: people are showing up hungry, heavening for days. You know, 394 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 6: we get reports that you know, people are showing up 395 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 6: just begging for food, and the federal government more specifically DHS, 396 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 6: more specifically CBP Border Patrol know this there's trying to 397 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 6: stall people out at whatever the endgame is, and maybe 398 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 6: it's just another arm of you know, prevention through the 399 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 6: two parents. It's cruel. It's on purpose. People you know 400 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 6: are are the ponds and whatever, you know, game is 401 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 6: being played and it's cruel and that's you know, we're 402 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 6: doing what we can to try to offset that as 403 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 6: much as possible, but cruelty is definitely. 404 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: They're all across the border. 405 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: Just to kind of upbuild on what James said, like, 406 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: I think it's very easy for this construct of migrants 407 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: to like always be like this sort of demonized other 408 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: Fox News and KUSI and all these outlets do that 409 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: very well. But I think it's really important to like 410 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: the people who were being cruel to, Like I saw 411 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: a lady breastfeeding in the desert on Sunday night. I've 412 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: seen grandparents, I've seen people who are eight months pregnant, 413 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: little children like these aren't like people who have done 414 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: anything wrong, and they just for whatever reason they're coming 415 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: here doesn't really matter. They don't deserve to be treated 416 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: like that. And like James said, it's something of an 417 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: induced Like I've been to natural disasters all over the world, 418 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: and reported on those and seen those, and I've been 419 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: to refuge camps all over the world, But like it's 420 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: some big of a unique to the US problem that 421 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: our federal government can click its fingers and induce a 422 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: humanitarian crisis and then like hold its hands up in 423 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: the air and say we can't help you like that, 424 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: Like aside from dictatorial regimes and places I've reported in, 425 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: like the people don't governments don't do that very often. 426 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: And like James said, it's these people who paid the price, 427 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: it's not us for the most part. Peder, could you 428 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: maybe explain a little bit of how American French Service 429 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: Committee has been able to respond and the resources you've used, 430 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: and how you can help make this a little bit 431 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: less painful for the people who are being held in 432 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: between defenses. 433 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 4: Sure, learning from the experience that we had back in March, 434 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 4: April and May, we heard a few weeks ago that 435 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 4: there were people lined up in an area that we 436 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 4: could not see from the US side, but could be 437 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 4: seen from the Mexican side, just west of the Sandy 438 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 4: Sea Port of entry, with people wearing and using Milar blankets. 439 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 4: And so the Milar blankets were an indication to us 440 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 4: that people were there for probably longer than four hours, 441 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 4: and so we kept monitoring that, asking colleagues in Tikwana 442 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 4: to inform us if they had seen any other groups 443 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 4: like that, and off and on over the past month 444 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: there were reports of that and it wasn't until about 445 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 4: two weeks ago that someone said that they were there 446 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 4: for a long period of time. So last last week 447 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 4: we set up what we called an observation post at 448 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 4: Whiskey eight so that we could determine for ourselves how 449 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 4: long people were there, what sort of needs they might have, 450 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 4: and how to respond whether to set up the solidarity 451 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,239 Speaker 4: support stations again and quickly we determined that that's what 452 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 4: we needed to do, so we call our colleagues from 453 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 4: other organizations when or to set up. Opula for instance, 454 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 4: has been extremely helpful and leading the charge in different places. 455 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: The Appreciate Collective so Mutual Group also has been extremely 456 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 4: important in having their people out there, and Friends and 457 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 4: Friendship Park also has been important. So all these organizations 458 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 4: that responded quickly and started to build from the experience 459 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 4: that we had back in late spring setting up these 460 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 4: stations to charge phones. Phones are lifeline for people and 461 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 4: back in may or Patrol threatened us and they said, 462 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 4: if you want to keep feeding people, you can't be 463 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 4: charging their phones. And so we said, well, we're going 464 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 4: to have to keep charging phones because people need them. 465 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 4: And fortunately Borbu backed off then and now it's part 466 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 4: of what we do right. We charge phones, and they's 467 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 4: how people are able to communicate with their loved ones, 468 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 4: especially if they've been separated. Feeding people is just as 469 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 4: much as we're able to even if it's just a sandwich, 470 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 4: even if it's a warm meal, that we're able to 471 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: get through the bars or the secondary border barrier. That 472 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 4: could mean the difference between someone staying healthy or someone 473 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 4: becoming seriously ill. Bandaging up small cuts could relieve someone 474 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 4: from getting an infection, identifying when medical emergencies pop up, 475 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 4: so an eighth month pregnant person who is suddenly having 476 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 4: labor pains and having a needing to call nine to 477 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 4: one one, for instance, or insisting with por patrol that 478 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 4: the one month old child cannot remain overnight in between 479 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 4: border walls, and just insisting and insisting and insisting insisting 480 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 4: that the to port parties that they have there need 481 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 4: to be serviced, for instance, And so all of this 482 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 4: advocacy is happening at the same time that our colleagues 483 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 4: and allies are also feeding people, and the constant communication 484 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 4: with different elected officials pushing on them to take charge 485 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: and to respond has been one of the different aspects 486 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 4: of our response to what is a humanitarian disaster that 487 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 4: has been slowly evolving, i would say, over years and years, 488 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 4: because human migration isn't centered around humanitarian needs and human rights. 489 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 4: It's been centered around enforcement, around militarization, around cruel deterrence, 490 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 4: as James was talking about, which creates conditions where people 491 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 4: are led to suffer. And that's what we're seeing right now, 492 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 4: people suffering because of how this has been manufactured, how 493 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 4: immigration has been dealt with, regardless of who's in the 494 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 4: White House, over and over and over, and so now 495 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 4: we're challenged to respond to these humanitar needs in ways 496 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 4: that are stretching our limits, but we're able to do 497 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 4: it and hopefully lifting up the dignity of people that 498 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 4: are placing under these terrible, inhumane conditions. 499 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's very important to give people a 500 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: little bit of dignity as much as we can. One 501 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: thing that you mentioned that we haven't spoken about we 502 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: should is elected officials and local federal state government. How 503 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: much support, if any, have either of these sites received 504 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: from people in elected office. 505 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 4: You know, we have had support from Senator step Balia's office. 506 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 4: That's been to me impressive to see how much interest 507 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 4: there is, how much advocacy there is from staff from 508 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 4: that office. We have not necessar there we had much 509 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 4: support from congressional or federal senators. We have not seen 510 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 4: them really on the ground. There is a responsibility I 511 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 4: believe that the County of San Diego has to meet 512 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 4: some of these challenging circumstances at the transit centers. They're bocking, 513 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 4: I feel, and to the detriment of people who need 514 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 4: these services and need the support. I believe the San 515 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 4: Diego Police Department has been suggesting where people should be 516 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 4: dropped off and not listening to folks on the ground 517 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 4: about how the Irish station should be central and not 518 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 4: dividing the drop offs between Irish and saney Ceso, for instance. 519 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 4: So there's a lot of a lot of necessity for 520 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 4: local governments to be coordinating with state and federal governments, 521 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 4: and that's lacking, again to the detriment of people who 522 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 4: are cut in the middle. 523 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: How about James and Jack And have you seen any 524 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: sort of government support. 525 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 6: No, not at all. I've you know, heard through channels 526 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 6: of you know, sources that work for the county and 527 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 6: they claim that they're handcuffed or that it's Border Patrol's responsibility, 528 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 6: and then Border Patrol is saying it's the county's responsibility, 529 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 6: and it just it seems like appointing fingers. No one's 530 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 6: trying to take you know, responsibility for it. And maybe 531 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 6: that's because it's going to be something that's going to 532 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 6: go on for a while. It's not something that either 533 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 6: wants to you know, take on the responsibility of. And 534 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 6: you know you've seen county supervisors speak out against it, 535 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 6: pushing the blame. People are here, this is San Diego County, 536 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 6: this is the United States. Someone needs to take care of, 537 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 6: you know, the people here. That's that's the role of government. 538 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 6: That's why people pay taxes for you know, for services 539 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 6: and services need to be provided for. You know, we 540 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 6: pay taxes so other people can get services as well. 541 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 6: Citizens non citizens like that. 542 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 4: To me, it seems so easy. 543 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's. 544 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 6: That's everything that you've been told. But everything that you're 545 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 6: not seeing, you know, in practice. So I mean, this 546 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 6: whole thing is to us on the ground. It seems 547 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 6: so simple of how it should be done. But like 548 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 6: you know, anytime, and we've spoken on it, I think 549 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 6: on the last episode as well, like money's big issues. 550 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 6: Going to spend all this money, they need to make 551 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 6: sure that their money is going in the right pockets 552 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 6: that they wanted to. 553 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I was sitting out in her cumber with 554 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: a colleague and we got overflown by a uh sixty 555 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: black Hawk, like a Border Patrol helicopter, and it just 556 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: hovered around checking us out, and like it's just so. 557 00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just. 558 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: So depressing to see this helicopter which costs millions of dollars, 559 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: which are thousands of dollars just to take off next 560 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: to the border wall, which got twelve million dollars a mile. 561 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: And like on the same day that the San Diego 562 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: City Council filed an amicus brief in this case of 563 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court to allow it to further criminalize and 564 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: house people. We have all these resources and we're just 565 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: throwing them. As Pedera said, enforcement and criminalization of the 566 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: most marginalized people in our communities rather than giving a 567 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: thirsty person bottle of water or like a little baby blanket. 568 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's really hard. 569 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 5: It's one of those agents over time of the day 570 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 5: could literally feed everybody there. Yes, we're all like, you know, 571 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 5: calculating calories per dollar of like the mule and trying 572 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 5: to get like every single dollar to stretch because we 573 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 5: don't know how long this is going to go on, 574 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 5: because we know that public perception and interest is something 575 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 5: that is not sustained. And purpose too, because for instance, 576 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 5: Border Patrol is claiming and they were on what outlet 577 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 5: was it. 578 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 6: CBS CBS eight local San Diego said, I need to 579 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 6: report that the Kumba capture cleared. There's no one's there. 580 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 6: I just you know, I had to step away from 581 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 6: this this recording for a few update that there are 582 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 6: people still showing up. There's trying to get cleared out 583 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 6: as quick as possible as people show up because it's 584 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 6: in the public eye. But also now the power company 585 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 6: is threatening legal action and criminal action against any aid 586 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 6: orgs or people they show up. 587 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 2: Oh great, cool, that'll be fun. 588 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the reporting on this has been poor, 589 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: even more poor than it was in May. I'll say, 590 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: like out in Hookumbaya, it's hard to get to. James 591 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: and I both spent a decent junk of yesterday morning 592 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 1: trying to direct people how to not get lost out there. 593 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: But like I think, more pertinently, when there is not 594 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: an election or like a narrative that migration fits in, 595 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: it gets certainly by national outlets forgotten. With the end 596 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: of Title forty two in May, I think everyone had 597 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: their like sort of doomsday op eds in the weeks beforehand, 598 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: and then that that didn't actually happen in the way 599 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: that it had been sort of like quote unquote experts 600 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 1: who don't come to the border very often had predicted 601 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: it would, and so folks turned up, especially at Whiskey eight, 602 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: and did this sort of crisis story. But we haven't 603 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: seen that this time, and. 604 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 5: You know, now it's appearing really different because, like you 605 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 5: see sort of the management by border patrol of the 606 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 5: situation in order to sort of shield the public from 607 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 5: like the true level of the crisis. So in claiming 608 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 5: that Boomba has been cleared, I suppose that's technically correct 609 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 5: if they're referring to the you know, they're relying on 610 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 5: reality in order to so people, the average everyday person 611 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 5: that's not immersed in this is going to read that 612 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 5: and be like, oh good, it's been cleared, because like, 613 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 5: my family back home knows a lot of like really 614 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 5: conservative folks outland Pear Valley, and like even the most 615 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 5: conservative people I knew back in May were like, oh 616 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 5: my gosh, how could they have babies out there in 617 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 5: the desert. That's so horrible. And people had, you know, 618 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 5: a lot of really strong emotions to seeing families huddled 619 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 5: in the desert for a week. Now it seems like 620 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 5: there's a really deliberate management of like the pr with 621 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 5: respect to this situation. So yeah, like relying on the 622 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 5: technicality of Hakumba being cleared because the main camp in 623 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 5: town has been cleared, but ten fifteen minutes away, there's 624 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 5: still hundreds of people, And we're the ones that are 625 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 5: out on social media screaming into the void into each other. Hey, 626 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 5: this is still happening, people, are you know, there's an 627 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 5: amputee out here whose leg is bleeding. There is someone 628 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 5: out here who hasn't had his heart medication for a week. 629 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 5: Like those kind of situations are occurring still, while the 630 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 5: report and the public reception is like, oh hahkum has 631 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 5: been cleared. It's all good. So unless somebody is like 632 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 5: already involved, they're generally not hearing about it. And I 633 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 5: think that's on purpose too. 634 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's Yeah, that's a very 635 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: that's a very niche technicality. It might not be within 636 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: the boundaries of the town of a cumber but like 637 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: people are still being corraled in the desert with no services, right, 638 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 1: and that that's what we should care about, not which 639 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: districts they're in or what have you. So I think 640 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: people have probably had why now that things are bad 641 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: and we don't know how bad they will be, and 642 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: then maybe they'll get worse, maybe they'll get better, and 643 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: hopefully they'll want to support. So how can people do that? 644 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: Like what resource? Like what I guess the concrete actions 645 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: can they take? Where can they give you money? How 646 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: can they send you supplies? If they want to volunteer 647 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: in there in the county, how can they do that? 648 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: And what kind of following is I'm nice needed? 649 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 6: Yeah for border kindness. Monetary donations are the biggest help 650 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 6: that allows us to meet current needs, daily needs. We're 651 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 6: on venmo at border dash Kindness Cash app at border 652 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 6: Kindness Cash. They'll info at border Kindness dot org. 653 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 5: Volunteering volunteering is pretty sensitive, We're not We understand that 654 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 5: our team is already incredibly taxed, so we do need 655 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 5: support in terms of like food preparation and getting supplies 656 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 5: out there, transporting supplies. But it is a very sensitive situation, 657 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 5: so we do want to I don't know if vet 658 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 5: or we want to be able to talk to the 659 00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 5: people that want to volunteer. So certain expectations that they 660 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 5: may have accep certain needs that we may have are 661 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 5: all communicated really clearly. So the organization alo very amazingly 662 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 5: agreed to help us with that task of screening volunteers. 663 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 5: So people, if they are wanting to do so and 664 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 5: come out to Hakumba to email volunteer at alotro Lado 665 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 5: dot org. 666 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 2: Perfect, Yeah, that's pretty good. 667 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll I'll send you that info and they can 668 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 5: just say like what are they interested in doing, where're 669 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 5: located and that sort of thing, and then we'll be 670 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 5: in touch. Primarily, I mean more than anything, like twenty 671 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 5: dollars is a tarp to cover a family and keep 672 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 5: somebody shielded from the wind. We can feed a lot 673 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 5: of people with one hundred dollars. So financial support is 674 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 5: the most direct way. Even though it's not necessarily always 675 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 5: feasible for people, it is the most efficient way for 676 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 5: us to be able to buy items in bulk. 677 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think even five bucks, right, like, maybe that's 678 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: two people, and it really makes a day to have 679 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: a whole meal. 680 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. 681 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, anything helps. 682 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, people can definitely do this. How about for 683 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: American French service cannit be better? How can people donate 684 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: volunteer help? 685 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would. I would also stress what 686 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 4: Jacqueline said in terms of vetting people and volunteers, it's 687 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 4: you know, it's not it's not easy work, and we 688 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 4: want to make sure that when people are volunteering that 689 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 4: there's a certain level of emotional strength that people are 690 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 4: able to have. It's very tough for work, and at 691 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 4: the same time make sure that what we're doing does 692 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 4: not negatively impact those that we are presuming to want 693 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 4: to help, right, And so that's important. I think going 694 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 4: through those channels, if you you know the folks that 695 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 4: are leading the the work at the transit centers, check 696 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 4: in with them, first, but then there are other things 697 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 4: that could be done. The other day, someone showed up 698 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 4: with twenty boxes of pizza, you know, a very useful 699 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 4: easy way to support connecting with people and finding out 700 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 4: what the needs are. That's another way. If if you 701 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 4: would rather purchase the tarps yourselves, for instance, do that 702 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 4: and then we can pick them up. We can find 703 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 4: out how to meet and pick pick up those items. 704 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 4: If you want to donate, there are multiple organizations doing 705 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 4: this work. I believe someone was working on a list 706 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 4: to produce for us. Going on the website a f 707 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 4: C dot org and being sure that you find our 708 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 4: locations San Diego, so that our program then receives that 709 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 4: donation directly. If the program goes to the overall a FHC, 710 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 4: we won't see it. So just be very mindful of 711 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 4: when you're donating to a f C AFC dot org. 712 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 4: First locate sending your program office and then find the 713 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,720 Speaker 4: donate page on there so that we can be assured 714 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 4: that you are sending it to our program. Or you 715 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 4: can definitely contact me and I could also assist you 716 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:14,399 Speaker 4: with that. 717 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's great. I think it's important that 718 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: both of you sort of centered with regard to volunteering, 719 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: that there are organizations that exist to serve volunteers through 720 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,879 Speaker 1: facilitating like a service experience to them, and that that's 721 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 1: not what is happening here, Like this is about serving 722 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: people who are very vulnerable, so like there has to 723 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: be some kind of vetting process and people have to 724 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: understand that, like that's part of keeping those people safe 725 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: and that's why that's happening. So yeah, thank thank you 726 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 1: very much for this. We'll keep covering it obviously, and 727 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: I really hope people can find some resources to donate 728 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: because it's been very taxing financially and all these groups 729 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: and on our community generally. Is there anything else you 730 00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: guys would like to share before we finish? 731 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 2: Yep. 732 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 4: The only thing I would add is that, you know, 733 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 4: pressing the authorities. That's the other way if you are 734 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 4: able to connect with the county, you know, your county 735 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 4: supervisor in San Diego, press on them that they have 736 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 4: a responsibility and an obligation to respond to this in 737 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 4: a way that supports people who need to support And 738 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 4: that's where I would I would push towards. 739 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll add to that that having spoken to people 740 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,720 Speaker 1: in the county and in state office, Like if you call, 741 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: that makes more difference. So and if you email, so 742 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: if you have the time to make a phone call, 743 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: that could help a lot. Anything else from you, James Jacqueline, 744 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: That's what. 745 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 2: I can think of. 746 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 6: I mean everything changes daily, so if we were to 747 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 6: record them so every single day, I'm sure I can 748 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 6: come with something new. 749 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 750 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 5: For people to stay clued in with channels of communications 751 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 5: such as this podcast that are actually with people on 752 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 5: the ground and share that with their community is really important. 753 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 5: Like we're already getting like some social media kind of comments. 754 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 5: I mean it happens every time about how we're aiding 755 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 5: and abetting people breaking the law, but it's the government 756 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,919 Speaker 5: breaking the law. They're breaking international asylum law. And it's 757 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 5: really important for people who aren't as versed in all 758 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 5: of this to stay aware of that that everybody who 759 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 5: is presenting for asylum has a legal right to do so, 760 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 5: not that it matters, I mean they have, like it's 761 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 5: a humanitarian right, yes, But for people who are very 762 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 5: concerned with legality, or at least they lean heavily on legality, 763 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 5: presenting for asylum is illegally protected right. And that's something 764 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 5: that is actually being cut short by the government in 765 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 5: violation of that. 766 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. It doesn't really matter. Like 767 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: I already don't give a shit about. 768 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 5: Like come back for people that really about it. 769 00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 3: You know. 770 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to it's good to remind them that 771 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 1: they are wrong, both morally and legally. 772 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:04,800 Speaker 4: Exactly. 773 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what would your. 774 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: Social media spa if people wanted to keep up to 775 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,280 Speaker 1: date with what's happening? 776 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 5: Border Kindness on Instagram tends to have the most up 777 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 5: to date common I mean shares of like what we're doing, 778 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 5: and that will have updates in our stories and our 779 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 5: posts of how to help what's going on. 780 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 2: How about you, Pedro. 781 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 4: We're we're terrible with our social media, but you can 782 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 4: definitely find some of our work there a f C 783 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,320 Speaker 4: San Diego. Just look for a f C San Diego 784 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:44,399 Speaker 4: minus Pedro Consos Pedro mostly on on Twitter, some ig 785 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:50,280 Speaker 4: and I'll be updating some items later today. 786 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 2: Perfect. Yeah. 787 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,800 Speaker 1: One more question, because people contacted me in May to 788 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: ask if they could donate amiles to facilitate travel for 789 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: folks after they've been paroled into the Is that something 790 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,919 Speaker 1: that AFSC can do? 791 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 4: There is another organization I'm not sure that's what you've 792 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 4: just mentioned now. 793 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 3: The Miles for Migrants, Yeah, Miles for Yeah absolutely absolutely 794 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,359 Speaker 3: a wonderful organization and that we've used through some of 795 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 3: our other assist or organizations and getting people to their 796 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 3: final destinations. 797 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 4: I would say that might be the best way right now. 798 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so that's the thing people can do if 799 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,399 Speaker 1: they happen to have a setup plus of those. And great, 800 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. I know you're 801 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: all extremely busy. I appreciate it. And yeah, hopefully people 802 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: listening will find a way to support if they can. 803 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 4: Thanks guys, great, thank you. 804 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,960 Speaker 2: It could happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 805 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,720 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 806 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,960 Speaker 2: cool Zonemedia dot com or check us out on the 807 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 808 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 5: You can find sources for It could Happen here, updated 809 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 5: monthly at cool zone Media dot com slash sources. 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