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Speaker 1: Get Up, Getube, Get Up.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Mets fans?

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to episode number one fifty two of the

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Speaker 4: met Stuff Podcast, the official podcast of the New York Mets.

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Speaker 4: We have an episode with substance. Yea, guys know, the

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Speaker 4: big thing we got to talk about here is Justin

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Speaker 4: Verlander has signed with the New York Mets. So we're

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Speaker 4: gonna talk about Verlander coming in. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 4: Ji de Gram going out. We also have got some

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Speaker 4: just crazy stuff going on. The winter meetings have been

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Speaker 4: hectic since it started. Trade Turner to the Phillies, Aaron

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Speaker 4: Judge maybe going to the Giants. At the time we're

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Speaker 4: recording this, John Hayman has tweeted ten different things, all

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Speaker 4: of which have this amount to nothing.

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Speaker 2: But we're gonna talk.

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Speaker 4: A lot about baseball today, which is exciting because we

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Speaker 4: haven't had a chance to do this in quite some time.

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Speaker 4: So make sure you guys stick around, make sure you listen,

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Speaker 2: All right, James, how you feel a man? What's up?

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Speaker 1: I mean? Good?

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Speaker 5: Long weekend with between Justin Verlander and as you guys

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Speaker 5: also know, Jacob de Gram possibly Aaron Judge. The Winter

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Speaker 5: Meetings are starting. We told everyone to wait for the

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Speaker 5: Winter Meetings. That's when a lot of the action would

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Speaker 5: start to take place. And just happy there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of action taking place.

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Speaker 2: No, it's really nice.

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Speaker 4: It's refreshing, especially as someone whose job depends on being

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Speaker 4: able to make videos about news.

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Speaker 2: That's going on. It's nice that the Mets have been

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Speaker 2: involved because that helps with the views even more.

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Speaker 3: For me, definitely.

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Speaker 5: So I tweeted it and it a couple couple likes

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Speaker 5: first week, over a thousand likes in a while, felt

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Speaker 5: kind of good and then starting to feel like Baseball's back.

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Speaker 5: But it's just amazing that we live in this timeline

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Speaker 5: right now where the Mets could lose the best picture

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Speaker 5: in Baseball and then like also sign the best picture

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Speaker 5: in baseball in one shot.

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Speaker 4: One It's so it's refreshing because we know what it

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Speaker 4: is like being a Mets fan in the past, and

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Speaker 4: if we would have lost Jack de Graham in previous years,

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Speaker 4: I think our signing that would have replaced him would

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Speaker 4: have been really, really, really disappointed in lackluster, more of

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Speaker 4: a mid level guy that you would have been like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: it would have been good for depth, but that's not

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Speaker 4: the guy who releases to Grom. And here we get

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Speaker 4: Justin Verlander, who's not only replacing Grom but has been

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Speaker 4: really really good. I mean, you want to find someone

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Speaker 4: that's really similar in terms of like production value over

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Speaker 4: the last few years that we've seen. Verlander was the

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Speaker 4: cy young last year. You can't really ask for too

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Speaker 4: much more, Definitely.

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Speaker 5: I think it's also interesting to look at the two

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Speaker 5: different contracts these guys signed. Justin Verlander, of course, being

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Speaker 5: significantly older, and Jacob Degram. He's here for two years

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Speaker 5: eighty six point sixty six million dollars total forty two

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Speaker 5: point three three million dollars annually, with a vesting option

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Speaker 5: for another thirty five million dollars if he throws one

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Speaker 5: hundred and forty innings in twenty twenty four, which is

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Speaker 5: not even that crazy of the number to hit. And

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Speaker 5: then compared to Crom who has barely pitched over the

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Speaker 5: last two years and made like what twenty five thirty

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Speaker 5: starts in two seasons, five year deal thirty seven million

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Speaker 3: On the sixth year.

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Speaker 5: That has some of the craziest caveats I've ever seen

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Speaker 5: in my life on a contract. And if you guys

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Speaker 5: haven't looked this contract yet, spow Track, we'd shout out

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Speaker 5: all time in this show is one of the best

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Speaker 5: resources for contracts in all sports. You can see contracts

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Speaker 5: by position, contracts by team caps for other sports, the NBA, NFL.

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Speaker 5: It's really an incredible website. Jacob deGrom sixty year option

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Speaker 5: we'll hit with the Texas Rangers for thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 5: If he either finishes top five in the cy Young

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Speaker 5: six hundred and twenty five total innings in five years,

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Speaker 5: with a top five finish, and just the word healthy

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Speaker 5: was in quotation marks in two thousand. I believe that

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Speaker 5: will be twenty twenty seven season. Yeah, I've never seen

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Speaker 5: an option like that in the history of the league.

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Speaker 4: No, it's very I don't want to say it's creative.

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Speaker 4: Is that the right word is creative.

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Speaker 2: What we want to call this.

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Speaker 3: It's not the worst word.

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Speaker 5: I just it's so funny that that was like probably

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Speaker 5: such a major haggling point, like how they got to

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Speaker 5: those numbers in this negotiation.

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Speaker 4: For sure, and I mean, like especially seeing what happened

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Speaker 4: with Verlander now too. I think if there's any Mets

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Speaker 4: fans that are you know, out there that were concerned

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Speaker 4: when you saw Jacob de gram leave, the money wasn't astronomical,

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Speaker 4: which sounds crazy when someone's getting paid thirty seven million

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Speaker 3: But as we know, guys have gotten paid more.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of Mets fans probably expected to

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Speaker 4: that was gonna be the number, and when it came

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Speaker 4: in less, they're like, what happened. But you got to

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a money issue. It was just a length issue.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to give a guy, like you said, who's

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Speaker 4: made twenty five thirty starts over the last three years

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Speaker 4: five years of two hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 5: Basically absolutely if you look at the last three seasons

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Speaker 5: of course that's no, that's not any given that he's

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Speaker 3: You need guys who can rely on for innings.

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Speaker 5: And while Jacob ground ceiling is certainly higher than Verlander,

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Speaker 5: I don't even think that's necessarily close this point in

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Speaker 5: the careers were talking about a little more later. You're

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Speaker 5: probably more certain that Justin Verlander will be able to

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Speaker 5: you're not positive with Jacob Ram Yeah, No, I mean Verlander.

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Speaker 4: They they they're both just elite level pictures. They're both

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Speaker 4: I can get lost just because of what the conversation

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Speaker 4: Justin Verlander did last year is super impressive, like coming

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Speaker 4: off of Tommy John like that. I think me and

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Speaker 4: you both when we were doing my picture rankings and

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Speaker 4: were like, how do we rank Verlander because we just

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Speaker 4: didn't think he was gonna be able to come back

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Speaker 4: was the best Picture League this year. Like the guy

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Speaker 4: is addicted to pitching, the guy constantly wants to get better.

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Speaker 4: The guy hasn't really slowed down at all. It's weird

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Speaker 3: I'm at least confident.

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Speaker 5: Like what I said before, like the worst, I'm not

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Speaker 5: top level talent. We can count an innings ween counted innings,

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Speaker 5: we can count commitment, we can count a guy who's

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Speaker 5: addicted to the craft. And there's nothing else you could

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Speaker 5: really ask for it when you give someone this much money.

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Speaker 4: And we got Jeremy Heffner two to work with him

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Speaker 4: and get him, get him going with that little Jeremy

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Speaker 4: Heffner special sauce, the sprinkling of the dust.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be He's gonna be even, He's gonna be incredible.

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Speaker 2: What is going on in your neighborhood, by the way, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, it's just this New York City. There's sirens going on.

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking maybe with this new Mike you can't hear that.

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Speaker 5: which is just really really funny. Something else good about

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Speaker 5: There was a story that went around over the weekend

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Speaker 5: It was like, oh my god, justin Verlander bought a

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Speaker 5: This has to mean something for too, just grow men

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Speaker 5: forty years old, wants to It's like, I want to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like it.

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Speaker 4: I mean the guy he's forty years old. Usually when

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Speaker 4: I've won, I've done this, I've done that, I've had

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Speaker 4: all the accolades, and I mean, that's probably one of

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Speaker 4: the reason why Justin Verlander is going to go into

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Speaker 3: The dude is just addicted to pitching.

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Speaker 4: One of the best pitchers we've seen in our lifetime,

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Speaker 4: and it's nice that we get to pair him up

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Speaker 4: with Max Schers. They're former Tigers teammates too. We got

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Speaker 4: to call up Rick Porcello. You got to bring all

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Speaker 4: the all the guys back. Annabal Sanchez is he's still around.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Doug Fister, I'm sure we can get Dug

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Speaker 5: Fister on a minor league deal and non guarantee you contract.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Rick Porcello.

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Speaker 5: The Steve's open up the check with we can get

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Speaker 5: It's not like I would be the show where it's

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Speaker 5: like click off or submit, yeah, keep moving on.

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Speaker 3: Oh he didn't take it all right, whatever.

442
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Speaker 4: The Rangers gave five for one to eighty five, What

443
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Speaker 4: is your counter except decline counter? It's like, no, sim

444
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Speaker 4: three days and sign justin Verland there this stuff is

445
00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,440
Speaker 4: always constantly in motion. And again justin Verlander really really

446
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Speaker 4: good piece, and I want to make sure we kind

447
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Speaker 4: of end this conversation with that is that Justin Verlander

448
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Speaker 4: coming in is really really good. American League sy Young

449
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Speaker 4: Award winner. We have two aces again at the top

450
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Speaker 4: of our rotation. Two Hall of Famers, by the way,

451
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Speaker 4: which is also really cool. It's gonna be exciting. I

452
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Speaker 4: think it hasn't hit a lot of met fans yet,

453
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Speaker 4: but when Justin Verlander makes that first start at City Field,

454
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Speaker 4: it's gonna be like, we remember what it was like

455
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Speaker 4: to see Max Scherzer.

456
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Speaker 2: Verlander's gonna be like that too. It's gonna be incredible.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

458
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Speaker 5: And it's just the idea is the same as last one.

459
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Speaker 5: You have your two aaces, just get into the end

460
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Speaker 5: of the year, get to the dance and anything could

461
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Speaker 5: happen as we fill the rest of his team out.

462
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Speaker 4: Yeah, keep getting more more and more depth on this roster,

463
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Speaker 4: which we're definitely gonna need because, as we know, we

464
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Speaker 4: couldn't even enjoy Justin Verlander signed with the Mets for

465
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Speaker 4: too long because the Phillies had to come in and

466
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Speaker 4: sign Trey Turner for eleven years three hundred million dollars,

467
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Speaker 4: which is just like, oh my god, what like tree

468
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Speaker 4: Turner had forty million dollars I think more apparently offered

469
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Speaker 4: to him from the Potters, and he went to Philly,

470
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Speaker 4: Philly that city.

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Speaker 5: Two things about One was Texas, California, as we just

472
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Speaker 5: had the conversation with New York and Texas with Jacob

473
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Speaker 5: deGrom And two apparently trade Turner's wife is from New

474
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Speaker 5: Jersey and you want to be in the East coast.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. And he also has the relationship with Bryce Harper,

476
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Speaker 3: getting back to their days together in Washington.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin Long I think they said too.

478
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Speaker 4: And there was someone else in the Phillies organization that

479
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Speaker 4: he was very friendly with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks.

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Speaker 4: I really like Trey Turner, but obviously he's dead to

482
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Speaker 4: me now.

483
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Speaker 2: I hate him now.

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Speaker 3: He's enemy number three or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Put him on the long.

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Speaker 4: List of guys that I hate now. But yeah, he's

487
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Speaker 4: a Philly for the next eleven years. Lots of booze

488
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Speaker 4: coming his way when he's at City Field, that's for sure.

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Speaker 5: Trey Turner might wind up as the best player ever

490
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Speaker 5: who's never been the best player in his own team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's honestly, isn't that crazy to think about? That

492
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Speaker 4: is pretty crazy because he's lived in the shadow of

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Speaker 4: Harper and so and Mookie.

494
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Speaker 2: Betts, and yet he is one of the ten best.

495
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Speaker 4: Players in baseball I think conservatively easily, especially at the plate.

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Speaker 3: And this contract there.

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Speaker 5: Was a lot of again a lot there was a

498
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Speaker 5: lot of like a Loal Mets and going on, a

499
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Speaker 5: lot of people dunking. Oh, look, he only gets twenty

500
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Speaker 5: seven million dollars a year. There's there's a big fundamental

501
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Speaker 5: reason why Trade Turner is getting this length of a

502
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Speaker 5: contract for such a relatively low AAV compared to other

503
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Speaker 5: players like that have.

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Speaker 3: I guess there's two reasons.

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Speaker 5: Actually, one is because Trade Turner is already kind of

506
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Speaker 5: in the process of being moved off of a shortstop.

507
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Speaker 5: He probably has two more years there being even like

508
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Speaker 5: average too above then after that he's just going to

509
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Speaker 5: be one of the best second basement we've ever seen,

510
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Speaker 5: which is great. You could pay a second basement like

511
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Speaker 5: thirty million dollars to see the Astros doingly all Tuvan

512
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Speaker 5: you can still feel the very successful team. But too,

513
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Speaker 5: this contract is running for Trade Turns. He's forty years old,

514
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Speaker 5: and that's a huge caveat you look at the contract

515
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Speaker 5: that the Metsier, Francisco Lindor two years ago. And while

516
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Speaker 5: the AAV is significantly higher, not significantly, it's like six

517
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Speaker 5: million dollars year higher, five and a half million dollars

518
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Speaker 5: a year higher. That contract cuts off when Lindor is

519
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Speaker 5: thirty seven years old. From thirty eight, thirty nine to

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Speaker 5: forty years old, trade Turner is gonna be making those

521
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Speaker 5: twenty seven million dollars a year, which I do think

522
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Speaker 5: there is. I mean, again that really doesn't matter that

523
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Speaker 5: all is going to be inflation. You flax lie forever,

524
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Speaker 5: win a ring, pay the guys withever and not your money. Yeah, yeah,

525
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Speaker 5: But I think it is interesting that he was able

526
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Speaker 5: to secure a contract and likely took less money upfront

527
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Speaker 5: so we could have more years on the back, which.

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Speaker 4: Is interesting, definitely definitely interesting. I mean, it's a good

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Speaker 4: move for the Phillies. I still, I'm gonna say it,

530
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Speaker 4: I still don't fear them, just because we handled them

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Speaker 4: so well last year, but so good. This makes them

532
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Speaker 4: a little bit more, a little more I'm a little

533
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Speaker 4: more aware of their existence now.

534
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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna be that. I'm gonna be that guy.

535
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Speaker 2: People are gonna clip this.

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Speaker 3: I don't really care.

537
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Speaker 4: But like the Phillies just don't scare me. Even though

538
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Speaker 4: they made it to the World Series.

539
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Speaker 3: They don't.

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Speaker 5: Their lineup is so unbelievably good in that ballpark too,

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Speaker 5: it's gonna.

542
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Speaker 4: Be just in like in the playoff run, I don't

543
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Speaker 4: want to run into them. But over a long season

544
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Speaker 4: like now with trade Turner, it helps obviously a lot more.

545
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Speaker 4: They're definitely way better now with Tray Turner. He makes

546
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Speaker 4: a huge difference because they have a real short stop

547
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Speaker 4: and can move stot to second.

548
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Speaker 2: But I don't know, I just like, I'm not gonna

549
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Speaker 2: just give them the division.

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Speaker 3: By any means.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not gonna give them division. But also it's like,

552
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Speaker 5: as we learned last year, it doesn't even really matter.

553
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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't matter at all.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, There's been like tons of discourse that like, oh

555
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Speaker 5: my god, this offseason the Mets have gotten worse and

556
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Speaker 5: the Phillies have gotten better and the Braves are still better,

557
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Speaker 5: like there's no way they can compete. But it's like

558
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Speaker 5: that's not actually true, because the Phillies won like eighty

559
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Speaker 5: six eighty seven games last year and then just got

560
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Speaker 5: hot the right time and went to the World Series.

561
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Speaker 5: Think about the Mets won fifteen more games the Phillies.

562
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Speaker 5: Last year, the Mets beat the Phillies, had to head

563
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Speaker 5: almost every single time they played them, yet one of.

564
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Speaker 3: Them went to the World Series and one of them

565
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Speaker 3: did not.

566
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Speaker 5: Like this kind of like judging up of like value

567
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Speaker 5: and like better or worse in the offseason is kind

568
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Speaker 5: of like an irrelevant mental exercise because it doesn't really

569
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Speaker 5: matter if we're better than us last year. Just matters

570
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Speaker 5: who were better than next year. No one can possibly

571
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Speaker 5: know that yet.

572
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Speaker 4: And I think it's also funny too, Like think about

573
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Speaker 4: the best team on paper every single year, It's been

574
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Speaker 4: the Dodgers for the last few like Astros have obviously

575
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Speaker 4: been up there. I don't think there's been any like

576
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Speaker 4: surprises outside of like maybe a couple, but really, at

577
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Speaker 4: the end of the day, like it's not about being

578
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Speaker 4: the best team on paper doesn't always win. It's who

579
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Speaker 4: plays the best throughout the season and at times you

580
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Speaker 4: get cold, the times you get hot.

581
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Speaker 2: It's about when you get hot, not even.

582
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Speaker 5: Throughout the season, just at the right part of the season,

583
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Speaker 5: just being playing the best August, September, October.

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Speaker 3: That's it. The Phillies were awful.

585
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Speaker 5: Last year until like the middle of June and then

586
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Speaker 5: they lost their best player and then they got good.

587
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Speaker 2: Nick Plumber saved their season.

588
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Speaker 5: There's like there's no rhyme or reason to this, and

589
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 5: like every single Twitter GM is trying to be like,

590
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 5: how are the Met's gonna get better?

591
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Speaker 3: If they don't get better, they're dead.

592
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Speaker 5: And it's like, so you want next year, they have

593
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Speaker 5: to win one hundred and eight games and then then

594
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Speaker 5: you'll think they'll actually go further in the playoffs. Like

595
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Speaker 5: that's not how any of this works. It's just like

596
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 5: enjoy your free agency, Like you could be nervous about

597
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 5: things because you want your team to get your guys.

598
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Speaker 5: You don't want your team to lose their guys, and

599
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 5: these other teams are getting better around you, it seems.

600
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Speaker 5: But take it for with this because until the games

601
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Speaker 5: are being played, none of it matters at all.

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Speaker 4: Definitely, definitely, And I mean it's a it's a good division.

603
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Speaker 4: It's a good division. It's gonna be an absolute brawl.

604
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Speaker 4: It's probably the best.

605
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Speaker 2: Division in baseball. I think we can say that maybe.

606
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Speaker 5: Either US or the Al East if the Yankees ever

607
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Speaker 5: signed any players, because now it seems like they're not going.

608
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Speaker 4: To no because as we've known, there's been some rumors

609
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Speaker 4: going around about Aaron Judge, or as I should call him,

610
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Speaker 4: Arson Judge. Thanks to the sauce boss John Hayman himself

611
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Speaker 4: for tweeting out three times within a minute, Arson Judge

612
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Speaker 4: appears to be going to the Giants. Aaron Judge appears

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Speaker 4: to be going to the giants. Psych I was jumping

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Speaker 4: the gun. No news yet.

615
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Speaker 5: Bleacher Report took that opportunity send a push notification. That

616
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Speaker 5: notification probably went to hundreds of thousands of people across

617
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Speaker 5: the country, across the world. Like when it happened, like

618
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Speaker 5: there was an entire conversation in my office by the

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Speaker 5: Aaron Judge. One of the Yankee fans was mfing him

620
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Speaker 5: he didn't want to win. I guess he's gonna be

621
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Speaker 5: a Canoan nadege. They're all this crazy stuff. All the

622
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Speaker 5: Yankee Yankee fans said, I'm gonna boo him, I'm gonna

623
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Speaker 5: get rid of his jersey. Like these people were saying this.

624
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Speaker 5: In the five minutes, this news appeared to be legit.

625
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Speaker 5: And I mean, we just live in a world. We're

626
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Speaker 5: the only people we can trust are Jeff Passon and

627
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Speaker 5: Carlos Bierga. Shoutow, Carlos by Erga, shout out, Carlos Bjerga.

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Speaker 3: The dude had it no something eighteen.

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Speaker 4: Hours before everybody, and he was cash money. No one

630
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Speaker 4: believed him, ourselves included, and he was to the to

631
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Speaker 4: the dollar amount he had it, eighty six point six

632
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Speaker 4: million on Berlander.

633
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Speaker 2: Yeah, or Bob Nightingale. He's the only man who can

634
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Speaker 2: save us now, is Bob Nightingale.

635
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Speaker 5: And also at the same time as this Judge story

636
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Speaker 5: broke with Hayman, there was a moment where an incredible

637
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Speaker 5: piece of baseball journalism broke by Bradford William Davis and

638
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Speaker 5: someone I've shotowed and the show multiple times, doctor Meredith.

639
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Speaker 3: Willis, physicist.

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Speaker 5: They basically spent the entire year gathering baseballs from every

641
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 5: single ballpark, every single city in the country, and they

642
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 5: studied every single one and they wrote down where they

643
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Speaker 5: were taken from and the date they were taken from.

644
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Speaker 5: There's this incredibly expansive article. I didn't even get a

645
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Speaker 5: chance to fully rejecus I just started on the train

646
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Speaker 5: that we immediately went to recording this. But basically that

647
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Speaker 5: MLB was using different balls in different places, different times.

648
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Speaker 5: A year, especially during the postseason, and for some reason

649
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Speaker 5: August September at Yankee Stadium, Like when din't you know

650
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Speaker 5: that that for some reason these balls were like a

651
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Speaker 5: little bit juicier in August and September at Yankee Stadium.

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Speaker 3: And I can't figure out why that possibly be.

653
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, what would be the reasoning that you would need

654
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Speaker 4: to have juice balls in all the Yankees games specifically,

655
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I can't think of one because I

656
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Speaker 4: know that the home run record is seventy three by

657
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Speaker 4: Barry Bonds, So I don't know why you would have

658
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Speaker 4: to juice the balls for air and judge when he

659
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Speaker 4: hit won sixty.

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Speaker 5: Three, I think that was the ninth all time for

661
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Speaker 5: a single season. I also, I just really I have to.

662
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 5: I have no choice but to feel bad for Garret

663
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 5: Cole who had an ERA over five at home after

664
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Speaker 5: the All Star break. When Major League Baseball is pumping

665
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Speaker 5: these balls zonme Park, who.

666
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 4: Play the world's smallest violin ever for Garrett cold is

667
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 4: thirty five million years sninking it up a Yankee Stadium.

668
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 5: It's a really shame over over a four year eight

669
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 5: in the second half, and like when you know they

670
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 5: were just completely screwing them over.

671
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 4: It's also probably probably the pool holes balls were a

672
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 4: little bit juice too.

673
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 5: Probably could imagine it wouldn't it wouldn't be the worst idea. No,

674
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 5: I mean, Iverpool is the legend of the game. Aaron Judge,

675
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 5: the guy with a good year.

676
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 3: It's a guy who got a real seven hundred.

677
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe it deserved that were just should now

678
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 5: we're just dunking on Aaron Judge.

679
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: But I mean, it's been a fun there's been a

680
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 3: fun weekends.

681
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 5: Finally, for the first time in years, it does feel

682
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 5: like the stove is actually hot, and it's like hot

683
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 5: in an organic way.

684
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: Yes, like it's scalding right now.

685
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Speaker 5: We've got Josh Bell to the Guardians as well, there

686
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 5: were a couple other Andrew Heany to the Rangers and

687
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 5: a very affordable deal.

688
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 3: They're Rangers putting together a little bit of a team

689
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 3: over there.

690
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 4: It's getting killed for my tweet saying that they could

691
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Speaker 4: be a contender this year.

692
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not it's not crazy. They Rangers have

693
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 5: like three pretty good hitters in that lineup. They have

694
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 5: a very strong catcher's room, probably before really good hits

695
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 5: in that lineup. Depends on what you think about the

696
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: least Garcia and the I think they've room in that rotation.

697
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 5: It probably bring one more impact arm and it looks

698
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 5: like that even could happen. And if Jacob de Gram

699
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 5: even throws one hundred forty innings, John Gray throws one

700
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 5: hundred fifty innings, and then Andrew Heany throws a hundred

701
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 5: thirty innings, like that's like a formidable one two three

702
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 5: with the room for one more, with room for one more.

703
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 5: And they've got really really good prospects who are getting

704
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 5: closer and closer and closer. All takes is one of

705
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 5: those guys they hit and you're like, oh, this lineup

706
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 5: is scary now. Yeah, Rangers, I think are putting together

707
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 5: a real good squad, especially like you don't hire Bruce

708
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 5: Bochie and you don't spend all this money if you're

709
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 5: not trying to win, definitely, And last year they hired

710
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 5: the former Giants hitting coordinator Donnieker to run their hitting

711
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 5: development and kind you kind of saw it take place

712
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 5: over the Ranger season where they were really bad for

713
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 5: April and May. Then all of a sudden, it's like

714
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 5: at the same moment, like Nathaniel Lowe, Marcus Sime and

715
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 5: Corey Seeger Joonaheim all just clicked and you're like, Wow,

716
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 5: this team could really kind of swing it a little bit.

717
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 5: And I mean there is room there to do some stuff,

718
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 5: and they have a good teams top to bottom, and

719
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 5: that division is is okay. I mean, the Astros are incredible.

720
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 5: The Mariners made the push, but like you can just

721
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 5: walk all over the Angels in the A's so especially

722
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 5: three wide. And another thing that I think is kind

723
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 5: of pushing this Rangers run to competitiveness is the new

724
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 5: playoff format.

725
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: It's really easy to make it.

726
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: Heh.

727
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 5: You need eighty six eighty seven wins to get there, like,

728
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 5: and you can sneak ins that their wildcard team and

729
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 5: if you do the same thing as we're talking about

730
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 5: the Mets last year and now you just have Jacob grim.

731
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 3: Healthy on October first, Like why why not you? Why

732
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: not us?

733
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: No?

734
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 4: Definitely, I mean the Phillies, the Phillies, Do we need

735
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 4: any other proof? The Padres, Like both of those team

736
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 4: made made runs and they were not even close to

737
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: the best teams in their league. But yeah, I mean,

738
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 4: the one thing I'm really scared about with the Rangers.

739
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: Two is they.

740
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 4: Kind of have I don't want to say a hole

741
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 4: in center field, but they have some holes in the outfield.

742
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 4: And there's definitely one guy that I want the Mets

743
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: to bring in, which is Brandon Nimmo, who could fit

744
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 4: in a lot of teams, and it seems like he

745
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: is going to be really expensive. It's gonna be a

746
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 4: bitting war, especially now with Bellinger off the market signing

747
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 4: with the Cubs on a one year deal. It seems

748
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 4: like this Neimo mark is getting a little bit out

749
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 4: of control because we I mean we feel we feel

750
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 4: a little bit more plugged in I think we ever

751
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 4: have been in our lives kind of hilariously, almost kind

752
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 4: of by accident. We just heard a lot of people

753
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: saying that, like teams are connected to Brandon Nemo, and

754
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 4: it's like, is every team like with money connected to

755
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: brand Nimo right now? It's kind of an all it's

756
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 4: kind of a scary place for us to be as

757
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 4: Mets fans, but it's like it's a little bit indicating

758
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: and being like everyone wants our guy because our guy's

759
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: really really good. Yeah, no, he's He's gonna be a hot,

760
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: hot commodity on the market, especially with that defense and

761
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 4: how good he is the play. To me, is one

762
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: of the better center fielders in baseball. He's not Mike Drout,

763
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 4: but he's one of the better ones.

764
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 5: All Right, prediction how many years and how much money

765
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: this Brand Nemo signed for?

766
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna ask you the team, Okay.

767
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: How old is brand Neimo? Is thirty?

768
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 3: I think he's twenty nine?

769
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 4: Actually, Okay, I think this is gonna be a what

770
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 4: did Springer get?

771
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: He got like six seven years?

772
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 7: Was it?

773
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 3: Brand Nemo is twenty nine years old?

774
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 5: And George Springer's contract is I love I love good podcasting.

775
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 4: I think it's really gonna be similar to whatever Springer got.

776
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: It might be like a year six for one fifty. Okay,

777
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna go seven for one seventy five?

778
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: You think he'll get seven?

779
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 5: I guess Springer was. I think are the thirty one

780
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 5: when that contract was signed? Just thirty one one signed.

781
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily that I think I don't want to

782
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 4: even like that Brand Nimo is like worth that money necessarily,

783
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: But I think there's just gonna be such a bidding

784
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: war that someone's gonna have to make that jump to

785
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: really stand out, and I think someone will do it.

786
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 4: I mean, the Mets need him, The Yankees could use him,

787
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 4: The Rangers.

788
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 2: Could use them.

789
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 4: If the Giants don't, could Aaron Judge er. If they

790
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 4: do get Aaron Judge, they could use them. The Red

791
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 4: Sox use him. Every single team in baseball outside of nobody.

792
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 4: Is there anybody that couldn't use him?

793
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: No, I mean I don't know. The Astros could use him.

794
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 5: The Angels could use him, because the Phillies could.

795
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 3: Really use him.

796
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: Mariners could use him.

797
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: I'd be great, to'd be great in Seattle. My god, every.

798
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 4: Single team in baseball could use Brandon Neimo because if

799
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 4: you're not gonna let's say you have your center fielder

800
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: like Julio Rodriguez, Oh no, you put Brandon Neimo on

801
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: left and right and he's still elite.

802
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: Oh what are you gonna do?

803
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 5: It's just he could really go anywhere. And this is

804
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 5: getting out of control. Also because there's it's so hard

805
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 5: to get a center fielder like the second best centerfield

806
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 5: of the marker and nows. Kevin Giermier was coming off

807
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 5: of a year where he like had like a bum

808
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 5: hip and you couldn't even play defense anymore. It's like,

809
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 5: is this really the guy like you're gonna stuck with

810
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 5: like a Gilmore whoever doesn't get brand Nimo who like

811
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 5: actually as a hole there might be stuck with a

812
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 5: your More already like a player like that, like a

813
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 5: full on just defensive replacement. You figure out the rest

814
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 5: or the trade mark for Brian Reynolds really heats up,

815
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 5: even though the Pirates have said that they were unlikely

816
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 5: to move him. And this is not that many options

817
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 5: in the center field as we as Mets fans, have

818
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 5: known that for the last seven years, people have wanted

819
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: to find a center field it when really you had

820
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 5: one in your nose the whole time.

821
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 6: Yep.

822
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 4: And Nimo is a Boris guy, so we know this

823
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: is not gonna it's not gonna go quickly in the night.

824
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: This thing is going to be dragged out, dragged out

825
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: to make sure he gets even one dollar extra on

826
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 4: what his contract the what it should be.

827
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 5: This is the worst part too, Like at least and

828
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: we were able to kind of see this spreading on

829
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 5: the wall that like the ground was going to sign quickly.

830
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: He's that kind of guy.

831
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 5: And then immediately we're able to pivot and gether or

832
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 5: lander to get the pit out of everybody's stomachs, thank

833
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 5: god before the work week, and now is just going

834
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 5: to go on and on and on. So it does

835
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 5: kind of make me think that there is a chance

836
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 5: that the Mets do attack the pitching market still again

837
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 5: before the end of this this Nemo saga I'm gonna

838
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 5: call comes to an end.

839
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of rumors of jameson t ownA guy

840
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: who we've talked about a lot, specifically you.

841
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: On this podcast.

842
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: So I'm getting more and more hip to as you

843
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: talk more about it. Looks like he could just be

844
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: like Chris Bassett, light younger version kind of thing.

845
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: He looks very solid. A lot of good pitching available

846
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: still for.

847
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: Sure, could I saying as no name has been connect

848
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 5: to the Mets a lot, his agent came out today

849
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 5: with the big power of play, said, multiple teams offer

850
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 5: this five year contracts so moved.

851
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: It's a really good move. It's a good move.

852
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 5: He knows he knows what he's holding right now, which

853
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 5: you got you gott I mean, you gotta get respect

854
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 5: for that.

855
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: Then.

856
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 5: The only thing is though that the Heni contract really

857
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 5: seems like it might have dampered the market for some

858
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 5: of these guys.

859
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: Who are a little bit less reliable.

860
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 5: I've thrown less innings of the last few years because

861
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 5: he's a guy who there was a lot of excitement

862
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 5: about earlier in the offseason. He had the second highest

863
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 5: strackout to walk ratio last year in all of baseball,

864
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 5: only behind specterro Stryer. I mean again, you went through

865
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 5: the ins and then you have to take that which

866
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 5: you take, and now he basically got the same amount

867
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 5: of money as like Matt Boy, who also got the

868
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 5: same amount of money as Mike Clubinger. That whole glot

869
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 5: doesn't make any sense to me. And in the fact

870
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 5: it doesn't make any sense, it means that the Mets

871
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 5: should sign like as many of those guys as possible.

872
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, no, I think I think the pitching market

873
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: Andrew Heaney a lot of his money too, is gonna

874
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 4: be incentive based. I don't know if you saw that

875
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: twenty five million over the two years basically, but it

876
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 4: can go up to thirty seven million based on incentives

877
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 4: and performance, which.

878
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: That's huge, that's huge.

879
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: I could change everything. We got a breaking news tweet

880
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: from Kei k Hernandez.

881
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: Oh what's key K got for us?

882
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 5: He said, the never ending race to be first with

883
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 5: the laughing emoji hashtag arsony.

884
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, when we talked to Tomas Nito this

885
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: year we interviewed him, we brought up the Boob Nightingale tweet.

886
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 4: So we know that these players are locked in too.

887
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 4: It's not just the fans at home, the players, Like,

888
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: who's gonna be on my team next year?

889
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: I'd love to know?

890
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: And everyone's on Twitter.

891
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 4: Mean, Twitter's fun, and I think, honestly, for the rumors,

892
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: is there anything else? I don't know what's been cooking

893
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: on Twitter the last forty five minutes or so that

894
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: we've been recording this, But I got to assume that

895
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: John Hayman's put out a couple.

896
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: Tweets that aren't true.

897
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 5: Now, I mean, the big thing going around more so

898
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: seems like it's it's this this Bradford William Davis article

899
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 5: with the Doctor Mary as well as about the baseballs.

900
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 5: It seems like that is kind of hilarious that like

901
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 5: that is now where people are talking about. More so

902
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 5: with Aaron Judge, like that one tweet that you guys

903
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 5: I'm sure have probably seen by now with the grass

904
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 5: of where these like these middle juice baseballs were because

905
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 5: mostly we're using dead balls all years. You guys can remember,

906
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 5: there was a smathering of the old juicy balls and

907
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 5: then they're what uh uh. William Bradford Davis and Mary

908
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 5: of the Wolves were calling goldilocks balls because they were

909
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 5: not too hot, not too cold, so that was actually

910
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 5: kind of funny. But they were closer to being juice

911
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 5: than dead. And and like there's a chart that says, oh,

912
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 5: Yankees have all of them, so it's kind of fun.

913
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: You guys probably see that. It's good. It's good Twitter

914
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: humor right now.

915
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: Just put an Adam Schefter on you guys, if you're

916
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 4: watching the YouTube video version of this. I was just

917
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 4: checking my phone during mid podcast. But hey, news never stops.

918
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 4: We got to keep on the grind here, see what's

919
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 4: you know? Passing tweeting. I think we wanted to bring

920
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 4: in John though John had a little bit something for

921
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 4: us too before we wrap up this episode.

922
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: So John, wrap it up.

923
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: Send it to Omar.

924
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: That's true, Send to Omar. That's a good point. John.

925
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: How are you feeling?

926
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up? Guys?

927
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I've been looking forward to uh to

928
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 7: getting with you guys all week, really since Friday night

929
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 7: and the news broke, and you guys touched on it before.

930
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 7: When push comes to shove with the entire situation, the

931
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 7: New York Mets is a franchise, especially after the acquisition

932
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 7: of Justin Verlander, are likely in a better position for

933
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three than they would have been if Jacob

934
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 7: de Grahmin was brought back, especially on a five year deal. Now,

935
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 7: let me say this, I love the fact that the

936
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 7: Texas Rangers are trying. Yes, that's massive, and you know

937
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 7: we talked throughout the week and we're trying to cook

938
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 7: up different ideas. Oh you know this, this could be

939
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 7: a good trade target. That could be a good trade target.

940
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 7: And when you really think about it, there aren't that

941
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 7: many teams as of right now on December sixth who

942
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 7: you can pinpoint and say this team doesn't have a

943
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 7: chance to make it. This team isn't competing in twenty

944
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 7: twenty three. And you know, the Dodgers have dominated the

945
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 7: NL West for a long time. I think you can

946
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 7: make the argument the Astros have dominated their division more.

947
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 7: It's just been completely non competitive, completely non competitive, and

948
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 7: that used to be a pretty good rivalry between the

949
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 7: Rangers and the Astros, and it's good to see more

950
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 7: teams wanting to win and going the extra effort. So,

951
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 7: even though the Jacob de Gram contract in a vacuum

952
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 7: might be a little bit nuts, five years with a

953
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 7: six year vesting option, good for Texas, good for the Rangers,

954
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 7: and we need to see more of.

955
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 6: That in baseball now.

956
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 7: Obviously from the Mets perspective and the Met fan perspective,

957
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 7: it's a bittersweet. As you guys mentioned, that's the word

958
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 7: you used. It's the end of an era. Yeah, and

959
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 7: that's always sad. You know, I'll never forget where I

960
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 7: was when Jacob de Gram made his major league debut.

961
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 7: I was driving back from college for the summer and

962
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 7: I'm listening on the radio and Raphael Montero was the

963
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 7: guy and they made their debuts on back to back nights.

964
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 6: We're gonna say something, James.

965
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 5: That was Subway Series weekend and my dad and I

966
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 5: wanted to go to one of the games, and I

967
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 5: told the story in this podcast before He's like, all right,

968
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 5: pick one of the games.

969
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: We'll go.

970
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 5: Two guys making their debut. The Mets team was terrible,

971
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 5: and he was like, let's see something exciting, and I

972
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 5: was like, oh, it's gonna see Montero's higher prospect. I

973
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: don't know who this guy is pitching tomorrow. And then

974
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: I watched Moss here ats Not with their a complete

975
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 5: game shot out in Friday night.

976
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: Both guys got paid this offseason just a little bit differently.

977
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is a good point.

978
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 7: They actually both did get paid big off seasons for

979
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 7: both of them. But you know, there's so many great

980
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 7: memories with Jake. We were talking before about some of

981
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 7: his best performances. The one hitter in Philly where Zach

982
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 7: Efflyn has the one hit twenty twenty one in April

983
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 7: against the Nationals when the Mets wore the Jackie Robinson jerseys,

984
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 7: he strikes out a career high fifteen batters.

985
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: Cole was a.

986
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 6: Very cold night. That was incredible.

987
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 7: Obviously, hearing simple Man for the first time this year

988
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 7: when he returned that was fantastic as well. But I

989
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 7: went and I looked at some numbers just comparing the

990
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 7: two of them to Gram and Verlander in recent seasons. Now,

991
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 7: justin Verlander in twenty twenty made one start, he got hurt.

992
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 7: He has Tommy John he doesn't pitch the entire twenty

993
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 7: twenty one season. But if you go from twenty twenty

994
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 7: through this past season, Jacob de Gram through two hundred

995
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 7: and twenty four and the third innings, Justin Verlander through

996
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 7: one hundred and eighty one innings, and most of that

997
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 7: came this year dominant one hundred and seventy five innings pitched,

998
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 7: and the immediate gut reaction from a lot of Mets fans,

999
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 7: And again I get it.

1000
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 6: It was a motion.

1001
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 7: You know, this was a guy who a lot of

1002
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 7: people wanted to see be a lifelong met and number

1003
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 7: forty eight is enshrined.

1004
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 6: Forever and it still might be.

1005
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 7: You know, I think we can all agree Jacob de

1006
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 7: Gram maybe deserving.

1007
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: Of having his day.

1008
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 6: James is making a face. So it's a good debate

1009
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 6: at least.

1010
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: If I can just say peace quickly.

1011
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 5: I think that if if you don't retire with the

1012
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 5: team or win a championship, it's hard to get that

1013
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 5: Jersey retired.

1014
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

1015
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: I think his play was good enough.

1016
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a detriment to the numbers that

1017
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: he put up or the legacy that he left with

1018
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 4: the ver shots, but it will feel a little bit

1019
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: weird that he left on his own choice to then

1020
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 4: retire his number like that that happens times, but like

1021
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 4: didn't win championship, if if there was, if there was

1022
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: another flag that was up there in part because of

1023
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: Jacob de Gram that I said, like, yeah, for sure,

1024
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 4: Mets law forever, and he will be Mets Law forever.

1025
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: But I think it's I think it's a little bit different.

1026
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 7: Sure, And you know, time heals all heals all wounds,

1027
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 7: and I think that I think what he does in

1028
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 7: Texas is going to shape the perception of how we

1029
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 7: look at Jacob de Gram. You know, if he goes

1030
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 7: and wins two more cy Young's, it's gonna hurt more.

1031
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 7: It's gonna hurt more.

1032
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 6: But if he continues as.

1033
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 7: He was in twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two,

1034
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 7: where he was dominant for the first half of twenty

1035
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 7: twenty one, and then he makes his last start on

1036
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 7: July seventh, doesn't pitch again, has the entire offseason to

1037
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 7: get healthy, makes two or three spring training starts, the

1038
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 7: last of which was that Scherzer de gram back to

1039
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 7: back start against the Cardinals in March where we're all like, Wow,

1040
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 7: this is amazing.

1041
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 2: We live this, John, don't make me relive this.

1042
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 5: And then it also just goes on to say, like

1043
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 5: the fears about what this Mets team will look like

1044
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: last year, and then you look at this past year

1045
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 5: and you won one hundred games, and those two guys

1046
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 5: shures in to Grum combined for what two hundred innings

1047
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 5: a shade below two hundred innings. So it's like, true,

1048
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 5: we really don't know that we can project this to hell,

1049
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 5: but it's like almost impossible to kind of forecast sure.

1050
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 7: Joel Sherman wrote a piece he actually interviewed Brent Strom,

1051
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 7: who was Justin Burlander's pitching coach from twenty seventeen through

1052
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 7: twenty twenty one, legend in Houston, and it was a

1053
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 7: great idea to talk to him because who knows this

1054
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 7: guy better than Brent Strom. And when Justin Burlander got

1055
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 7: to Houston, people thought his career was kind of coming

1056
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 7: to an end. At that point, he was struggling in

1057
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 7: Detroit and he kind of reinvented himself. And you know,

1058
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 7: my big takeaways from that interview where this guy's built differently.

1059
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 7: You know, this guy wants to continue to learn and evolve.

1060
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 7: He's driven like none other. You know, the word Tom

1061
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 7: Brady has been thrown out in comparison to Justin Verlander.

1062
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 7: The way that he just takes incredible care of himself

1063
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 7: and also the two years that he took off very well.

1064
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 7: Might make this guy maybe forty in age come February,

1065
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 7: but the arm might not be.

1066
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 6: A forty year old arm.

1067
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's another exciting part about this. So there's

1068
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 7: gonna be plenty excuse me, plenty of time to reminisce

1069
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 7: about all the great memories with Jacob to gram and

1070
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 7: there are so so many. But for the right now,

1071
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 7: this franchise is in a better spot, especially in the

1072
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 7: one to two parts of their rotation. And I don't

1073
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 7: see how any met fan other than letting the emotions

1074
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 7: and I understand them, I do.

1075
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 6: But look in a weird way.

1076
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 7: When Derek Jeter hung him up, it was emotional because

1077
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 7: I was like, I've watched this guy dominate for the

1078
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 7: wrong team in my opinion, No, my entire adult life dominates.

1079
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: Not the word compile.

1080
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 7: Okay, sure compile, but still be part of a dominant team.

1081
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, for my entire adult life.

1082
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 7: And it's all I knew, you know, from ninety six.

1083
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 7: My first Met game was ninety seven. That's kind of

1084
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 7: when I actually got into watching baseball.

1085
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: Damn, you're old.

1086
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1087
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 6: I don't remember Tom sever.

1088
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 7: But that was weird for me because that was a

1089
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 7: situation where it was like, Wow, this is truly the

1090
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 7: closing of a chapter and the end of an era.

1091
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 7: So I understand all of that. But in the right now,

1092
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 7: this team, this rotation, they're in a better spot than

1093
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 7: they were seven days ago. And that's all there is

1094
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 7: to it. And I'll say one more thing, Trey Turner

1095
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 7: going to the Phillies Braves Phillies Mets, the rivalry in

1096
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 7: the NL East is going to be en fuego. I

1097
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 7: think Wayne Randazzo tweeted about that the Mets and Phillies

1098
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 7: haven't had a true true rivalries, you know, seven oh

1099
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 7: eight situations if you would, I guess last year there was.

1100
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 5: Years well it felt like it, and also two years

1101
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 5: ago with the Alvarado stuff, Like.

1102
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: I think it's been a rivalry, but it hasn't. There

1103
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: hasn't been.

1104
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of back and forth of

1105
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 4: meaningful games. I think that's more so where It comes

1106
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 4: down to is like there hasn't been that many close,

1107
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: meaningful games, and.

1108
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 5: The shame is that they just messed up the schedule

1109
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 5: this year. We're not gonnaet to play each other that much.

1110
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 5: And actually to settle this on the field, we're gonna

1111
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 5: have to settle this all against the Royals and the

1112
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 5: Twins and the Rockies.

1113
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 2: So box old man, It's.

1114
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 5: True though, I mean, this is the best year I

1115
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 5: want to play these teams, like we have these rivalries,

1116
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 5: these long standing traditional rivalries with these teams, more traditional

1117
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 5: the Phillies in the Braves, but in our lifetime is

1118
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 5: the Braves. From what I've seen, baseball is the Mess

1119
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 5: and Braids are one of the traditional rivalries in the league.

1120
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 5: And it just sucks that now.

1121
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: All three these are three, These are legit.

1122
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 5: Three the seven best teams in all baseball, or at

1123
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 5: least track trending towards being that way, and we can't

1124
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 5: play each other.

1125
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 4: The regionality of baseball is what has held it back.

1126
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 4: You need to make this a more national game. Is

1127
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 4: ready to do that is to play all the teams.

1128
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to hear it, because I agree with you,

1129
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: it does hurt the rivalry a little bit, there's no doubt.

1130
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: But let's be honest.

1131
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: Johnny in Los Angeles, who's fallen in love with baseball,

1132
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 4: doesn't really care too much about the Mets Phillies' rivalry.

1133
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 2: He wants to see his Dodgers or his Angels play.

1134
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 5: The Mets instead of Sure, but that's what the NBA did,

1135
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 5: and now that league is completely devoid of emotion whatsoever.

1136
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 3: It's just an instagramble product.

1137
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: That's because they shoot threes only it's no longer cool.

1138
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: That's it.

1139
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 5: You're right, Thea's baseball doesn't have an outcome problem with

1140
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 5: you know, with Drake Katz walks at home runs.

1141
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: You're so right cool.

1142
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 7: But do you guys think that in a way on

1143
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 7: the opposite end of that argument, that because they're not

1144
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 7: playing eighteen times a game, each game carries a little.

1145
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 6: Bit more weight.

1146
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 7: I hope no one gets upset at me about this.

1147
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 7: Only college football reference, I'll make Ohio State and Michigan

1148
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 7: they only play once a year, and maybe they'll play

1149
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 7: again in the in the final here, but that is

1150
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 7: what makes that rivalry so special, is that you get

1151
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 7: it once a year, and that is it. And maybe

1152
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 7: only playing the Phillies.

1153
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 6: Was it nine times?

1154
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: Now?

1155
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 6: I got to close my door because the TV's out.

1156
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 6: The TV's on a vidos yelling at give me one second.

1157
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 5: Johnny podcasts over here, John Johnson's seven minute diatribe and

1158
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 5: his background noise the whole time.

1159
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 6: Sorry about that, vat.

1160
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 7: If it is nine games a year, every time these

1161
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 7: two teams take the field against each other, every pitch,

1162
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 7: every ninety feet, it's gonna be like playoff baseball, And

1163
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 7: maybe that that enhances those games. You know, you don't

1164
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 7: get to see them over and over where you have

1165
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 7: five game series against the Braves and you go to

1166
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 7: Atlanta for a four game series against the Braves. I

1167
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 7: think that in a way, Like, yes, Mark, I totally

1168
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 7: agree with you. It's not right that Mets fans haven't

1169
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 7: seen show hey o Tani at city Field one since

1170
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 7: he came over. You know, Mike Trout is not marketed enough,

1171
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 7: maybe whatever the right term is. I think he's marketed enough,

1172
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 7: but he's not seen all over the place. That is

1173
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 7: a problem, and we can fix that by doing the

1174
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 7: way that the schedule is going to be, but also

1175
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 7: not over doing it, over saturating. Sure where you have

1176
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 7: to play every team in your division eighteen times, because

1177
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 7: when you're playing the Nationals eighteen times, it's just good. Yeah,

1178
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 7: but it's also whoever loses the least amount of games

1179
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 7: to those fourth and fifth place teams in your division.

1180
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 7: That's how you win the division. So you know, I

1181
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 7: kind of do like the balance schedule a little more.

1182
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 7: And it's just gonna be. It's gonna be an.

1183
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 6: Incredible, incredible race. It really is.

1184
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 7: I'm so excited all these games. It's gonna be a war,

1185
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 7: it's gonna be a battle.

1186
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 3: Be even better.

1187
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: If the Mets bring back Brandon Nemo, then it'll be

1188
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 2: even a better race.

1189
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 5: Closing statements before we moved on to Omar, I want

1190
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 5: to get your guys take on this well. First, a

1191
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 5: point just that it does seem like that. I think

1192
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 5: Mets fans would have been totally cool if we would

1193
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 5: have signed Justin Verlander on a Friday night and the

1194
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 5: Rangers will assigned Jacob grama Monday night. I think that

1195
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 5: was like the biggest key to get people angry. And

1196
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 5: I think that's just kind of funny when you look

1197
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 5: at it, like pretental they have the exact same moment.

1198
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 3: No one really care that much?

1199
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, how many starts do you guys think Jacob deGrom

1200
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 5: will make in a Texas Rangers uniform? Thirty four years

1201
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 5: old right now, turning thirty five, and he basically has

1202
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 5: a six year contract the maximum starts pitchers usually making

1203
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 5: the seasons around thirty two. How many starts will Jake

1204
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 5: Bgram making six years.

1205
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say one ten.

1206
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 3: That's so many.

1207
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna make one hundred and ten.

1208
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 6: I don't know, Like I it's like twenty a year

1209
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 6: a little under here.

1210
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think there's gonna be a copeen years

1211
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 4: where he's gonna be fully healthy, like I believe it.

1212
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1213
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: Same thing.

1214
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: You're healthy until you're not, or you're injury prone until

1215
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 4: you're not. Whatever you're saying is, James, I don't know.

1216
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 4: I think de Gram's gonna be alright.

1217
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

1218
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 4: I again, like I just I can't come from a

1219
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 4: place where I even want him to make less starts

1220
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 4: because I hope he does great, and in Texas, I

1221
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 4: really have no bad feelings towards Him'm gonna root for him.

1222
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 4: I hope he does great. Just when you pitch against

1223
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 4: the Mets, pitch like crap, that's all I ask for,

1224
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 4: not the sparishing the guy with whoever, but just like

1225
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: after the last two.

1226
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 5: Years, like being realistic, I want to hear your answer, John,

1227
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 5: because you're a little more shrewd than Mark whoa hey,

1228
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 5: shrewd he is.

1229
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 7: Look, my biggest thing with de Gram was that after

1230
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 7: he made his final start of the twenty twenty one season,

1231
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 7: which was before the All Star break, he didn't come back.

1232
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 7: He had the entire offseason to get healthy, and we

1233
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 7: don't know how much throwing he did because the lockout

1234
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 7: and things were quiet. A couple spring training starts later,

1235
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 7: right before the season starts, we hear that he has

1236
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 7: his shoulder scalpula injury and that it was going to

1237
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 7: keep him out for you know, at that time it

1238
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 7: sounded like June, and then it wound up being August.

1239
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 6: So he went over a full year without pitching.

1240
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 5: Longest I'm have time on the injured list ever for

1241
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 5: a player who did not get surgery.

1242
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's see, that's going to drop my answer by

1243
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 7: five starts. I'm gonna say over what five or six

1244
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 7: because the six is not guaranteed.

1245
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 5: The six is not guaranteed, but all he needs to

1246
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 5: do to get the sixty year is get one top

1247
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 5: five cy Young finish or throw six hundred and twenty

1248
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 5: five innings in five years.

1249
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 6: Okay, so that's it.

1250
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: Hits it in mind.

1251
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so your it's definitely hits it.

1252
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 5: And geinst the six I mean, but I guess that

1253
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 5: really or is just get a top five silling finished

1254
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 5: or throw one hundred and sixty innings in the fifth

1255
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 5: year of this deal or be quote unquote healthy, which

1256
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 5: is a contract language.

1257
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say eighty to ninety. You know, Texas

1258
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 7: could also implement a six man rotation, which when you

1259
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 7: are spending top dollar on top talent, and I think

1260
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 7: this goes for a lot of teams. Either you have

1261
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 7: six guys that can start, or every sixth day you

1262
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 7: have a guy like a Ryan Yarborough, who I know

1263
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 7: I love to talk about, or a Trevor Williams or

1264
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 7: a Noah Cinderguard, one of those guys who can give

1265
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 7: you who can get nine outs for you, and then

1266
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 7: you piece it together the rest to the way and

1267
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 7: you take a little bit of strain off of everyone

1268
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 7: else in the rotation. Now, maybe that enables you if

1269
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 7: you're only pitching every six days, not five days, to

1270
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 7: go a little bit deeper into games. But the other

1271
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 7: thing about ta Gram is that, and I know you're

1272
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 7: talking starts, and I'm now kind of talking innings pitched.

1273
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 7: Even when he came back this season, there are two

1274
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 7: starts that really really stood out to me as and

1275
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 7: I know that no one really wanted to acknowledge it

1276
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 7: at the time because you're hopeful, we know how good

1277
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 7: he can be when everything is right. But the first

1278
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 7: one is the Oakland start. Yeah, the night after the

1279
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 7: Braves lose to the Phillies and the Mets have a

1280
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 7: chance to I think, take a three game lead in

1281
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 7: the division. They take a three to nothing lead in

1282
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 7: the first inning, he gives it back And we really

1283
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 7: had not seen that from Jacob to Graham since it

1284
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 7: was almost like his start in Texas when Terry Collins

1285
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 7: was consoling him in the dugout. The second start was

1286
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 7: it was against the Pirates. It was the day of

1287
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 7: the Jets come back against the Browns. I think it

1288
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 7: was September eighteenth, where he dominated through five gets into

1289
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 7: the sixth, doesn't record an out. The Mets are winning

1290
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 7: the game three to nothing and O'Neil. Cruz hits the

1291
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 7: three run home run, and for me, that was like,

1292
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 7: to get through the lineup twice was no problem, but

1293
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 7: the third time, all of a sudden, the wheels fell off,

1294
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 7: and that kind of became a trend with him. So,

1295
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 7: you know, maybe he is a six inning guy. Now,

1296
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 7: maybe maybe that's what he is. And that's okay. If

1297
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 7: you're gonna dominate six innings, strikeout, nine, walk none or

1298
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 7: one allow a couple hits like that's obviously great.

1299
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: Kind of like Verlander last year.

1300
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 7: Kind of like Verlander last year. But is that worth

1301
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 7: the average over the contract at thirty seven million a

1302
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 7: couple of years, it's forty I don't know. I don't

1303
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 7: feel as good about him in the long term. I

1304
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 7: told you guys. You guys know I felt that way

1305
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 7: before or any of this happened. You know, it's just

1306
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 7: it's the bigger gamble, and you know, I don't like

1307
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 7: taking gambles, especially when it's one hundred and eighty five

1308
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 7: million dollars.

1309
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 6: That's a lot of gamble. So what about you, Chris Kreiler.

1310
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I I either scored.

1311
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Speaker 6: Last night, by the way, nice shirt mark.

1312
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 5: If we had to put these contracts next to each other.

1313
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 5: I think there's no doubt at all. I would take

1314
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 5: justin Berlanders. I mean I said it before. It like

1315
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 5: he's guy who's gonna be more stable, He's gonna be

1316
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 5: in the rotation, possibly more often, and he's just like something.

1317
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 5: It's like when pictures kind of put themselves in that

1318
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 5: freak of nature range. I took that terminology from matdi

1319
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 5: Eddie Baseball America Friend of the show. You almost just

1320
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 5: want them more and nothing else really matters. So like,

1321
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 5: can you see the Verlander, the shres Er, even like

1322
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 5: the Wainwright, the Darvish, I guess you can even put

1323
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 5: them in that category at this point. The Cole, how

1324
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 5: many he's had in the last few years, Like you

1325
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 5: have to kind of block out every other thing. It's

1326
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 5: like this guy, it's just different. You can't really interpret

1327
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 5: him and his talent and his ability and his durability

1328
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 5: like you would other pictures in baseball, and that makes

1329
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 5: them so much more attractive to a team. Sounding and

1330
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 5: take Jake the ground. It seem like you had that

1331
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 5: for a little while, but you can't really ignore what's

1332
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 5: happened healthwise these last three years, especially when it's just

1333
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 5: that no real guarantee it's gonna get better. Nothing was

1334
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 5: actually ever surgically repaired.

1335
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 6: That's it.

1336
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 5: And these vesting options, if he misses one complete season,

1337
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 5: then that you're that six year option becomes very unguaranteed,

1338
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 5: because then, let's say it's four years to hit six

1339
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 5: hundred twenty five innings. That's not that easy for a

1340
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 5: guy who's barely pitched in two years. It's not what's

1341
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 5: your what's your number? Then what's your number?

1342
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: I mean the number either, yeah, yeah, give your numbers.

1343
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: I'm the only one who gave a number out here.

1344
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 3: I mean I would say total starts, I'll give it.

1345
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: I'll give a five years.

1346
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 5: It's gonna anticipate, and he does miss a big chunk

1347
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 5: of one, I would say probably like.

1348
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: Eighty two.

1349
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 7: I was gonna say eighty seven. This could be a

1350
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 7: great estimate for five years down the road.

1351
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 6: Huge.

1352
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 3: Huge.

1353
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 4: When we're celebrating John's fortieth birthday, we'll reminisce about this one,

1354
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 4: and whoever loses has to buy drinks for everybody wherever

1355
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 4: we're at be too old.

1356
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 6: To drink by then.

1357
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 7: I mean, the hangovers are already unbearable and I'm only

1358
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 7: thirty one.

1359
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Speaker 6: You guys have a lot to look forward to, and.

1360
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Speaker 7: That, by the way, big shout out to Vito for

1361
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 7: these new microphones. Y yes, able to pick up the

1362
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 7: TV in the other room. Just incredible orchestration. These are

1363
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 7: great quality production.

1364
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 6: Now I got us.

1365
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 5: Sirens, we got we got hands free. Now we can

1366
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 5: actually talk and type and do whatever we want to do.

1367
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 5: Shout out Vito for these wonderful pieces of technology.

1368
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: Sean to think that thanking me excuses the TV on

1369
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: the back. I feel like that was a very targeted

1370
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: thank you.

1371
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 7: I said John twelve texts A John, your TV, John,

1372
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 7: your TV.

1373
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: Please.

1374
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm dying right now.

1375
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 6: But I at the.

1376
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: Acknowledgement, John, but I think it was a underhanded I think.

1377
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 7: No, no, no, I did not see your messages until

1378
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 7: I saw the purple and I was like, ah, crap,

1379
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 7: I got up to close it. I could have just

1380
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 7: been like, I didn't see them.

1381
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.

1382
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: You're so good these Mike, so good. We could do

1383
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: an ASMR episode one day.

1384
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 5: Oh another carls Bierga is taking another shot. Let's hear

1385
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 5: it a source from San Francisco. This is percrls Perga's

1386
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 5: Instagram account, so absolutely not verified. Source a source from

1387
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 5: San Francisco who is in meetings in San Diego. Let

1388
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 5: us know the signing of Aaron Judge between today and tomorrow.

1389
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 5: The team could also sign Carlos Correa, WHOA that'd.

1390
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 6: Be crazy getting both of them.

1391
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 5: As by that that is per Vierga, who's one for one, one.

1392
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: For I think he actually got one last year too.

1393
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 6: Oh, he's gotten the couple, He's gotten a couple.

1394
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 7: I have a hot take as a Yankee hater. I

1395
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 7: told you guys this, I almost want them to retain

1396
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 7: him at an absurd price added upsurd, like go to

1397
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 7: a level that just doesn't even make sense because that

1398
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 7: team has a lot of other holes to fill.

1399
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 6: I know they signed Tommy Kamley today.

1400
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 7: But like, the Yankees will be better off signing let's say,

1401
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 7: Carlos Rodan and maybe a short stop a Dansby.

1402
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 3: But if they can, shots to you, guys will never sign.

1403
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 6: Why do you say that?

1404
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 5: I mean, just ro Don's not seemed like a guy

1405
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 5: who's very willing to come to New York, so you

1406
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: have to really break the bank for him, and the

1407
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 5: Yankees aren't. Don't seem like to me the modern Yankees

1408
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 5: type of team that will commit like seventy five million

1409
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 5: dollars to two pitchers. They definitely won't pay him more

1410
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 5: than Garrett Cole, because Garret Cole will cry if he's

1411
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 5: not the highest paid pitcher on his own staff. And

1412
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 5: the only reason I don't agree with that is because

1413
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 5: there's not that many whole fillable guys left in the

1414
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 5: market beside shortstops who the Yankees have already shown unwilling

1415
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 5: to sign the last couple of years when more elite

1416
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 5: shortshaps have been in the market.

1417
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: He can miss out there and Judge, Yeah.

1418
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 5: Of course any've opened as to the best players in

1419
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 5: the league. Of course, that's why they were, That's why

1420
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 5: they were such prominent members of their playoffs roster. But

1421
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 5: there's not that many guys on the mark right now

1422
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 5: for Yankees team that was struggling with to find offensive

1423
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 5: firepower last year to really bring in and actually make

1424
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 5: a difference. So if they missed out Aaron Judge, I'm

1425
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 5: just kind of room for them to be the moneyball Yankees.

1426
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 4: Lead us to a perfect time here to go ahead

1427
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 4: and talk about Omer and Ia who he got a

1428
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 4: chance to speak with, talk about the Winter Meetings.

1429
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: All this stuff did happen before.

1430
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 4: Justin Verlander, de Gram all the big news is happening,

1431
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 4: so just keep that in mind when you are listening.

1432
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 4: But it's really insightful to get some information from him.

1433
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 4: See what it's like from a guy who's actually been

1434
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 4: at the Winter Meetings making moves, making deals.

1435
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: Me's GM former guy.

1436
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 4: We have a bunch of content coming out with him

1437
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 4: next year in the twenty twenty three calendar years, so

1438
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 4: keep an eye out for that.

1439
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: And can't wait for you guys to listen to this

1440
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: O Mars the Man and also.

1441
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 5: Just as we've like made their jokes and had their

1442
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 5: fun a little bit here talk about us in Verlander.

1443
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 5: I think it's I think I'm speaking for all three

1444
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 5: of us right now. We're still in the room saying

1445
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 5: that there's a special place in my heart for Jacob deGrom.

1446
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 5: I'll never forget watching a pitch like I'll never forget

1447
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 5: the All Star Game. I think that was well twenty thirteen,

1448
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 5: twenty fifteen, The Altar Game is City Field the simple Man.

1449
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 5: This year that started against the Phillies that John talked

1450
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 5: about before then year No, Hi, there, it's so many

1451
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 5: callous memories the Wildcard game this year where he shut

1452
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 5: down the Padres. Jacob Ogrom is one of the best

1453
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 5: met players that any of us have ever seen on

1454
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 5: the New York Mets, and we should all appreciate what

1455
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 5: we just were able to experience with him.

1456
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely best wishes for de Grom in textas like

1457
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 4: I said, rooting for the guy, rooting for the guy,

1458
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 4: and then once he comes to Cityfield standing out, hope

1459
00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 4: you stink again.

1460
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 5: That's what I'm hoping for. Oh, before we go, are

1461
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 5: they playing simple man? You think when he comes back?

1462
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I.

1463
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's fair for me to comment

1464
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 6: on that.

1465
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, John might have incited for me.

1466
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 3: John might be making the call.

1467
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: All right, perfect time for us to go to old Marlan.

1468
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 4: All right, guys, So here we are with Omar and Aya.

1469
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us. We've been talking to you

1470
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 4: for quite a bit now, and you guys will see

1471
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 4: that content a little bit later this off season.

1472
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 3: A lot of amazing stories from Omar. Can't wait for

1473
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: you to hear about them.

1474
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 4: But we thought it would be a great time to

1475
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 4: talk about stuff that's going on in current baseball with

1476
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 4: the Mets specifically, because this offseason in general feels like

1477
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 4: a really really important one for the Mets. And you've

1478
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 4: been a part, you know, of the Mets organization as

1479
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 4: a GM and finding and building those teams and making

1480
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 4: them into contenders like the Mets are currently trying to do.

1481
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 4: And we'd love to pick your brain about it a

1482
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 4: little bit.

1483
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: Now. The thing about it is that every day goes

1484
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 1: by and then it kind of seems to be build

1485
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: up to the Winter Meeting. Yeah, and then once you

1486
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: bring everybody into a room in the Winter Meeting, for

1487
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: some reason, deos just get done. And that's what happened,

1488
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: and you as a fan and saying, come on, man,

1489
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: let's get this done, and then the teams, but it

1490
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: just builds up to the quote unquote famous Baseball Winter Meetings.

1491
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 5: I want to ask about the Winter Meeting because they're

1492
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 5: happening later this week. It's gonna be the first in

1493
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 5: person Winter meetings since twenty nineteen. What's that like going

1494
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 5: to the INTI Winter Meetings as a GM, especially if

1495
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 5: a winning team, a team that people are looking at,

1496
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 5: people are circling, people know you're ready to make moves.

1497
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 5: How do you approach that kind of situation.

1498
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: You work and you approach it. You know, first of all,

1499
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: it's good to know that you have support from your owners,

1500
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: that your owner is going to be investing that you have.

1501
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: You know, they might be winter meeting. There are some

1502
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: teams that they're not having no meetings with agents. Okay teams,

1503
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: because there's the reality is the agent, I'm not even

1504
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: returning your call. They said, what you want to talk

1505
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: to us about? Like you know, there are certain players

1506
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: that you're probably some teams winter meetings are the minor league,

1507
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: the Rule five draft, that's their winter meeting. That being said,

1508
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: you feel like you're going there. You're goin the word

1509
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: you put in all the world. The season is over

1510
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: and really, if you really work, you know as an organization,

1511
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: you have a system in place. You already started putting

1512
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: it in the work in September and even before that,

1513
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: you already have a lot of phone calls. Your goal

1514
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: is to go there. Prepare probably just talking to who

1515
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: you're going to talk to other teams agents. You know,

1516
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: you probably have a teams have a board, you have

1517
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: your staff, and you go back and forth. And now

1518
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: you know each team is different. Sometimes you go from

1519
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: team to teams and talk to their room. Everybody's different.

1520
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: And then winter meetings are kind of it really is

1521
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: is a convention of ideas. It's a baseball convention, and

1522
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: you think of it that way, and you enjoy yourself.

1523
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 1: I like to believe that you go there, you work hard,

1524
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: you have fun, enjoy yourself, try to be productive. What

1525
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: is the difference and understand the thing? The key thing

1526
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: is there is pressure. There is pressure because as deals

1527
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,479
Speaker 1: are being done and guys are being taken off the table,

1528
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: off the board, you have a pressure. And then especially

1529
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: if you're the general manager of the New York Mets and

1530
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: you have a great you know, in New York, you

1531
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of attention. Baseball is the thing. Everything's

1532
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: being talked about. Uh. And then of course, depending on

1533
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: where they are, there are certain just some places in

1534
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: the general in the winter meetings that like, you know,

1535
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: Nashville is like you know, usually they used to do

1536
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: it in Nashville, which is kind of I mean, some

1537
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: of these hotels can be very complicated.

1538
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: Like Vegas, right, Yeah, it's like Vegas East.

1539
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: Well, Nashville is like because you got some of those places,

1540
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: you have tourists. Yeah, in the middle of baseball. There's

1541
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: a lot of different tourists. It's gonna be sanying Diego

1542
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: this year, and listen, San Diego is the best, you

1543
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you can't go wrong in saying Diego.

1544
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: But as preparation, Hallwark, I believe in fun. Laughs and

1545
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: uh and then it's really you know, it's all cramped

1546
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: in together for about seventy two to forty seventy two hours.

1547
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 5: About is there any frateizing with like the enemy like

1548
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 5: you ever?

1549
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: Do you hang out deal journeal?

1550
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I mean me personally? Oh yeah,

1551
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: So so though there was yeah, no, there was just

1552
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. You know, there's a lot of

1553
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of you know, you go to dinner.

1554
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes everybody's different. I'm saying, I'm these you know. You know,

1555
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: I've been always friends with different guys. There's some general

1556
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: manager that you're more friendlier than with. You know, some

1557
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: guys like to drink Starbucks and cappuccino at twelve o'clock

1558
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: and other guys like to drink wine. So I don't know,

1559
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: some guys like to drink beer. Whatever you want to do,

1560
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: but I believe you have to kind of work hard,

1561
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: have fun, go to dinner and really is a good

1562
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: time for your staff. You know, it has changed. The

1563
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: winter meeting has changed now. You know, in the past

1564
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: it was run by the National Association. That's not no more,

1565
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,959
Speaker 1: and there was a great time to kind of talk

1566
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: to your minor league, the teams like the president from

1567
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: the A League, Double A, Triple A teams that you

1568
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: have you will go to, you know, bring those guys.

1569
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: I love that part that has been somewhat reduced. It's

1570
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: a lot of work. It's a lot of work, but

1571
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun and if you know, it's

1572
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: kind of it's almost also rewarding a lot of the

1573
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: people in the office to go there and making me up.

1574
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer, making everybody feel a part of

1575
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: that of the organization.

1576
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 4: What does the actual setup look like, because all I

1577
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 4: can imagine in my head is like a big long

1578
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 4: hallway with doors and it has like the team's name

1579
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 4: like next to it. They like knock on the door,

1580
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 4: like I know, that does not happen.

1581
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: That does not happen. Okay, what does it look like?

1582
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: It's not any hotel room and it's uh, you know,

1583
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: uh there is some there are some privacy issues, some

1584
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: some security issues for you to go upstairs. So the

1585
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: average rank can I just kind of go upstairs? You

1586
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: will need to need a pass that There's been some

1587
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: I hear some people that kind of sneaking in that.

1588
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: I don't encourage that, but I've heard those rumors that

1589
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: people are kind of what are we hearing next door?

1590
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: You know, but it's certainly set up. There's a you know,

1591
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: usually the general manager has his room. Okay, oh, he's suite.

1592
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: And then next to his room, well, let's say his bedroom.

1593
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: Is it a suite? You have a big suite. It's

1594
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: usually a lot of like you know, pretzels, a whole

1595
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: bunch of bunchies around. You know what I'm saying, bunchies.

1596
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: No drinking, you know that at least that I know of.

1597
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: But in the old days there used to be a

1598
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: lot of drinking, but not no more. Now they have

1599
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: cappuccino and cold pizza. I am not the cold pizza

1600
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: typic guy. I don't know. No, no, no, no no.

1601
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 3: I wish I could eat cold pizza. Them a cold

1602
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 3: pizza lat years.

1603
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no way. There are some guys, you know,

1604
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: and then of course it's some you know, you have

1605
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: some real young gms and all the gms. Uh, you know,

1606
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: it's just kind of it's a fraternity in its own way. Now.

1607
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: The thing now is that you gms will stay around

1608
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: for long. It's kind of different. So it's a little different.

1609
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 3: And probably a much bigger staffs. There's probably a lot more.

1610
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: Much much bigger, much much bigger staffs. Now. You know,

1611
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: you have you know between a combination of the analytics

1612
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: department and you know, it's but it's fun. It's it's

1613
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, just everybody kind of coming together, and I

1614
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: love it. I think that it's good. It's good for

1615
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: the organization when people come together.

1616
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 5: Do you think the Winter Meeting is a better place

1617
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 5: to make a trade or sign a free agent?

1618
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: Good question like that. I think it's more to sign

1619
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: a free agent because the free agency world works this way.

1620
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: It's like a domino. Once one guy goes off the board,

1621
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: then you start kind of like okay, let me let

1622
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: me get Usually agents wait for that guy to go

1623
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: off the board. Either two things are going to happen. Okay,

1624
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick to by what I want or take

1625
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: a year less, or I'm gonna if you're a team, listen,

1626
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to give him that extra year. And

1627
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: I remember I think it happened with Pedro when we

1628
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: went after Pago that year. You know, we were three

1629
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: at the end of I don't think that trade. That

1630
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: deal might have been done in the winter meetings. But

1631
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: that's when you know, agents know that, agents know that

1632
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: if you are three, you know, winter meeting. Once that

1633
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: guy goes off the board. Let's just say here this year,

1634
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, Verlander just happened.

1635
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 3: Ray, you just got the extra year.

1636
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: Legit, that's it. And we don't even have the Winter meetings. Yeah,

1637
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: and that's a GM. Well, but that's just that's just well,

1638
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 1: you know, that's a team that knows what they want

1639
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: and they're going to be aggressive. They're not gonna wait

1640
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: to the intermediate and I and I'm one to believe

1641
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't need to wait till the winter meeting.

1642
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: I know if you do not what I want, I'm

1643
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: gonna try to get it, definitely, And I'm not gonna

1644
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to put myself in that spot. But

1645
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, if you notice a lot of some of

1646
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: the trays that were done over the years, whether it

1647
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: was that Dolgatto trade. I think we talked about that

1648
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: it mightn't have been like done doing thingsgiving. I try

1649
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: to do as much work as I can before the

1650
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: winter meeting. Uh, but then when you get there, So

1651
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: I like doing work before the winter meeting, and why

1652
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: not does do something in the winter meeting. You just

1653
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: go for it.

1654
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 4: So you were talking about like, you know, there you

1655
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 4: see one domino fall and then it feels like the rest.

1656
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 4: Who do you think this free agency this offseason could

1657
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 4: be that first domino?

1658
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: The pictures, pictures, usually the pictures, it's usually the pictures.

1659
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: I think once that domino fall with the pictures, it's

1660
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: just kind of you have the pictures, you got the

1661
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: position players, and you got the pictures, and you know,

1662
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: once that you know the guys that you know, listen,

1663
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty you know you know, I mean the judge marker.

1664
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: You don't know where that's gonna go. But I think

1665
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: people are going to say, you know, you tend to

1666
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: believe they're gonna hear they're gonna end up to It

1667
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: may not happen, but the pictures are the ones because

1668
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: one pictures are off the board. Position players are there,

1669
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: but pictures are the ones that you know they're they

1670
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: are the best position, especially the way the game is

1671
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: right now.

1672
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's so many just good free agent pictures

1673
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 5: that are on the board right now. We have justin Berlin,

1674
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 5: their calls for Don Glenn Kershoff.

1675
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: But remember there's a lot of pictures, but the premium

1676
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: pictures there ain't too many. Yes, So that's understanding that

1677
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: you understand. So there's kind of those guys, the ones,

1678
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: the premium guys go off the board. Then those those

1679
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: secondary guys, those guys that are kind of three, the four,

1680
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: the two, whatever they are. These guys are the number

1681
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: one guys.

1682
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 5: Of course, how much do you have the multitasking situation

1683
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 5: like that where there's only, like you said, a very

1684
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 5: limited amount of premium pictures, Like there's picture A picture

1685
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 5: being Picture C, Like you're talking to Picture A, but

1686
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 5: you think he's probably gonna sign.

1687
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 3: Are you still having a dialogue Picture B?

1688
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: Or you got to be talking to everybody. You know,

1689
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: you have to control your situation, meaning your focus on

1690
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: your guy and the guy you want. Let's just say

1691
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: whether it's the gram or whether it's viruland, or whether

1692
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: it's wrong don't you focus on that? And really you

1693
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, depending each each general managers different, each agent

1694
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: is different. But you know you are if you're doing

1695
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: your job. You know, I always believe you got to

1696
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: have that option, have B and C option available and

1697
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: understand that you know A may not be there, but

1698
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to maybe be proactive b uh

1699
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: and and a lot of it is a lot of

1700
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: it has to do a lot of information too now

1701
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: at one time, you know, with data, with internet, with

1702
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: social media, there's so much rumors out there. Some of

1703
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: it is true. And that's why certain guys you say

1704
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: to yourself, you know, you really have to do a

1705
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: good study. Who are the writing it, who's the source

1706
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: and how you know how much, how much how correct

1707
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: is this source? And understand that things are going to

1708
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: be thrown out there that are not you because it's

1709
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: all part of the game.

1710
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 3: Those the guys who are the cups on the door.

1711
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: No, no, you know, the team themselves, you know, say

1712
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: things to and writers have good relationship with agents and

1713
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: agents themselves. It's it's really kind of a rumor mill situation.

1714
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: And it's a look, I think experience matter are if

1715
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: you don't have experience, and how you do it, you

1716
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: end up either paying a bigger price. But if you

1717
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: have experience, you kind of you know, you have a

1718
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: good plan in place, and you're able to look look

1719
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: at look at the look what's in front of you,

1720
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: what the rumors are, find out what. That's where experience

1721
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: comes in. That's kind of that's being just thrown out there.

1722
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: But also a lot of it has to do with

1723
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: communication with your owners. You have to invent a lot

1724
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: of time so you have a whole day and each

1725
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: ownership is different. But you I will tell you this,

1726
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,959
Speaker 1: no matter who it is, you are talking to your owner,

1727
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: letting him know before the they starts and at the

1728
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: end of the day what happens.

1729
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course that makes sense.

1730
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: They want to keep them in the loop and they

1731
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 2: are the people should.

1732
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should. I put it, it'd be smart if

1733
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Speaker 1: you're smart to do that.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Was there ever a situation at these meetings where you

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01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 5: really thought you might have had someone like happened in

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01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 5: the Mets last year with Steven Matt and then it

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01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 5: kind of fell apart outside of your own knowledge.

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01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: I've been to so many of them now, so I

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01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: was like, you know. Yeah, it's just so many that

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01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: you think, you you know, God, you think that you're there,

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01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: and then the next thing you're not. God. Yeah, it's

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01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of like I've been on the other side where

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01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: teams thought they had the guy, they had a guy,

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01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: and they didn't. You know, I remember one if you

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: want to hear what we thought, you know, I meant

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01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: Tazi I was with the Range at the time. Yeah,

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01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, the Ranger thought they had Tazio

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01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: sign and they pretty much did, and we pretty much had,

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01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, after pretty much that they cut a deal

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01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: and it was not you know, we came behind the scenes, good,

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01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: the deal done. I don't have a specific one, and

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01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 1: it's just that there's been so many, after so many

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01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: years going to these meetings, you know, no recent one

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01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: that I remember, you know, just nothing. If I think about,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know.

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01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 2: If there was one.

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Speaker 4: We talked a lot about pitching sidew about the hitting

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01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 4: side of the free agent market. Is there a certain

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01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 4: free agent that you see right now that's on the

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01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 4: market that you're like, that guy is one of those

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01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 4: like generational Domino type players.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course it's Judge, no doubt, But I think

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Speaker 1: the name that's that you look at the I think

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01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: Brandon Nimmo has put himself in a very good position

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01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: definite free agency. I put himself in a good position

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01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: first of all because he's a good player. Second of

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01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: all because he had a good year. A lot of

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01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: indicators were up, and you want to see indicators going up.

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01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: He also it helps you have a good agent, and

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01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: he does as a very good agent in Scott bars

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01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: who knows how to play that. And I think you

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01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: know anybody a guy like him, you know, he plays

1775
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: the middle of the field quote unquote in a world

1776
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: of data, of information, some people call it analytics. You know,

1777
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: he he there's a lot of positive things that he

1778
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: does that that world, that particular world looks at and

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01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: likes a lot coming up of this. So I think

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01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: I think this year the position player wise, I think

1781
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: Brandon Nimmo, I could see there's there's across the board

1782
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of interest in him. Where a guy

1783
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: like a judge, the numbers so high it's only show

1784
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: to me, so many people that are going to be interested.

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01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: Making an offer for Aaron John Jennyson.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not even like even the A's even those middle

1787
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 5: teams because we just even the way they set up

1788
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 5: the CBA, now you sign a guy like that, you're

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01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 5: jumping multiple levels.

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Speaker 1: And the other things too, is you know, with qualifying

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01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: offers too. You know, certain guys that don't have qualifying

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01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: offers are kind of people like you know that. You know,

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01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: so the qualifying offer, you'd be surprised a lot of

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01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: it's it's a big thing for teams. That's huge for

1795
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: big thing.

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01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 4: How much of like you not necessarily your own experience, Like,

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01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 4: how much does that qualifying offer actually matter when signing

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01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:09,799
Speaker 4: a player?

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01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: Like it matters because team value draft picks and they

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01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: value young players more than ever before. So to me,

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01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 1: and you know you're speaking to a guy, you know,

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01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: to me, a qualifying offers as a as a as

1803
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: an organization, giving them up or getting them mean a lot.

1804
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: You know, it means a lot. So shame guys. You

1805
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: know some teams are not they may want to be there,

1806
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: But then just to me, he's got to qualifying offers.

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01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna I'm gonna hold off on that.

1808
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to find another solution to that, and

1809
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: maybe I give the guy the value that he deserves.

1810
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: Because I don't. I really I teams just have value

1811
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: draft picks a lot more than they ever did.

1812
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 5: Taking Brandon a out of it, you mentioned that he

1813
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 5: just is coming off very good year. It will be

1814
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 5: the last question we asked too a few minutes left.

1815
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 5: Is there anything that general managers people in baseball talk

1816
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 5: about in terms of like some guy has a contract year.

1817
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 5: When you see that a guy direct year before free

1818
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 5: agency just played the best ball of his life, does

1819
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 5: that mean anything to you?

1820
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 3: Or is that just something you have to.

1821
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: Pay attention to that? Because I think when you sign

1822
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: a free agent you only look at kind of what

1823
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: his recent uh year is. It's you're giving a guy

1824
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: and if you're seeing it, you know if you're gonna

1825
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 1: invest a long time, you're looking at his value long term.

1826
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: Now you know the same vice versa. You always look

1827
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: at if the guy has a bad year, doesn't mean

1828
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: that I'm not gonna go away from him, depending what

1829
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: kind of that that bad year. Guys will look at

1830
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: a like what kind of year he had quote unquote

1831
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: recent year, pressing year, all those things. Uh, you look

1832
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: into it and you ask yourself, why change the scenery.

1833
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: I will tell you this whenever I sign a free

1834
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: agent coming to New York, I'm always saying to myself,

1835
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, the history is that if it's a big

1836
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: free agent, that first year is not may not be

1837
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: the same year that he had the previous year. It

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01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: takes some time. It takes some time for that. We've

1839
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: seen it. You know. It wasn't a free agent. But

1840
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: you saw what happened with Dias here. I think, so

1841
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: what happened with lendor here? I think, so what happened

1842
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: with Belle trn here. There's a history there when guys

1843
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: come in that first year, so you have to keep

1844
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: that in the back of your mind too.

1845
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 4: I would love to talk more about the off season,

1846
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 4: but as we know, you're a busy man and you

1847
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 4: got a trip home, so we don't want to hold

1848
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 4: you too much longer. Thank you so much for taking

1849
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 4: the time talking with us again today. We really appreciate it.

1850
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: And well, I think you guys do a great job.

1851
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's exciting to work, you know, baseball

1852
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: to you guys, I love your passion in fact that

1853
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,560
Speaker 1: you're a Mets fan. You tell me of all the

1854
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: trades when I was making those trades, you probably boom me.

1855
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: You said ohmarch this and that, and that's okay if

1856
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: you boom me, and if you probably that's okay because

1857
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: you know what, that's what makes baseball fun and baseball fun,

1858
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: especially in New York. I'm okay with that.

1859
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 3: Oh Mark, thank you so much, appreciate it.

1860
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: Great job, guys.

1861
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 3: Get up, Get up,