WEBVTT - The Story Behind Julius Jones Clip

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<v Speaker 1>That's Jimmy c C or how you're doing today. We all, well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you all so much for having us. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you having us. Thank you all, man, Thank you man.

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<v Speaker 1>You know we you know, unfortunately under these circumstances, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to have you on the show. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's definitely not the best we went that someone

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<v Speaker 1>has to fight for their life, you know, in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the society where this justice system, in justice system

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<v Speaker 1>frequently makes mistakes, you know, So you know, it's sad

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<v Speaker 1>that we have to have this conversation, but it's definitely needed.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to utilize our platform to do whatever we

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<v Speaker 1>can to save this man's life. So, Jimmy, you know

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<v Speaker 1>you've been here since the beginning. You know this is

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<v Speaker 1>your best friend. Could you give us like a play

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<v Speaker 1>by playoffs from the beginning to you know, some what

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<v Speaker 1>to now, like what's what's how this happened? What's going

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<v Speaker 1>on and just give us up to speak. Yeah, sure, man.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I appreciate your having is on this

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<v Speaker 1>amazing show. Man. We greatly appreciate it. Julias Jones is

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<v Speaker 1>a gentleman from Oklahoma City. We were from North Side, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>see and uh, me and Julia has been best friends

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<v Speaker 1>since the sixth grade. A little about who he is,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, he's from an amazing family with a

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<v Speaker 1>two parent home. What made it special for him and

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<v Speaker 1>I We were one of the only two families that

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<v Speaker 1>had both our moms and dads in the household. That's

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<v Speaker 1>important as I get along with the story, Uh, most

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<v Speaker 1>of the percentage of Oklahoma City grew up with either

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<v Speaker 1>grandparents or single parent homes. The high school we went

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<v Speaker 1>to was note percent African American souls as a black

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<v Speaker 1>school on the side of town that was predominantly black.

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<v Speaker 1>That's key. That's key. And uh, because I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you a little bit about Julius the man and

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<v Speaker 1>who he was as a young man coming through high school.

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<v Speaker 1>So his mental capacity, Judas was one of these special

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<v Speaker 1>dudes where he had this unique mental ability. What I

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<v Speaker 1>mean by that, he was one of the first of

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<v Speaker 1>two African American mayorals to graduate the top ten per

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<v Speaker 1>cent of our class in high school. I was the

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<v Speaker 1>other one. So we were we were lucky, uh to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to garners our academic side. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>were both were basketball players as well, so that was

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<v Speaker 1>a unique dynamic, dynamic because I'm building this feature of

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<v Speaker 1>how much character, Julius asked, His foundation is background, his values,

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<v Speaker 1>his work at it right, and kind of where we

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<v Speaker 1>are now. So coming out of high school, he is

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<v Speaker 1>a full academic scholarship recipient at the University of Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 1>In the back in the nineties, if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about everybody knows oh you football? Right, So back in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties, the demographies of Oh You was almost ninety

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<v Speaker 1>fi per sein white. Only African American people on campus

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<v Speaker 1>was football and basketball players. Julius Jones was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first to get an engineering a major scholarship, So

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<v Speaker 1>he was breaking the mold right for something that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even being done at the time. So it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>shows you the character and the medical passages this brother had.

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<v Speaker 1>So it goes to OU, I go off to Grandma

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<v Speaker 1>State University, play college ball down there were reconnected in

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<v Speaker 1>and he noticed I noticed that he started hanging around

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<v Speaker 1>a dude. We went to high school by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Christopher Jordan's we called the west Side. Now west

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<v Speaker 1>Side was the exact opposite of me and Julius. He

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<v Speaker 1>comes from a different background, raised boas groundball, want to

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<v Speaker 1>be game banger. So really, me, Julius west Side, I

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't have nothing to come besides basketball, so I

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<v Speaker 1>better to be kind of odd that west Side and

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<v Speaker 1>Julie started hanging around a little bit. Um. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think too much of it because we were again playing

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<v Speaker 1>ball into some of the Rex centers and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we got long into the summer of nine

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<v Speaker 1>on July twenty, right, I'm sitting at home watching the

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<v Speaker 1>news and come across the news that this white gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Paul Howell gets murdered and mun Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to build a pixel real quick, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about what Edmund, Oklahoma looked like, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>suburb of Oklahoma City. Back then, it was more predominantly white.

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<v Speaker 1>So the mantra in that particular city was a white

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<v Speaker 1>guy gets killed. Oh, it's probably gotta be a black

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<v Speaker 1>guy who did it, right, That was the mantra back then.

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<v Speaker 1>So bat media was going crazy, We're looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>black suspect, even though the fact wasn't even really point

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<v Speaker 1>to a black person. It was because not a murder

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<v Speaker 1>in him, and it's got to be a black suspect. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So so things went down and a few days later,

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Jordan's gets apprehended. And then you know how the

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<v Speaker 1>system is, right, when the first one gets to talk,

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<v Speaker 1>some crazy stuff starts to happen, right, So they get

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<v Speaker 1>to Christopher Jordan's first, you start squilling our distric attorney

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<v Speaker 1>in town about Macy brought off the bast city, whoever

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<v Speaker 1>is guilty for this death penalty rough off the bat.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think what happened was, you know, west Side

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<v Speaker 1>got apprehended, he got scared, and he said, uh uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was driving Julius show. So that's how Julius Jones

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got tied into this particular case, right, No

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<v Speaker 1>relations out of the scene, nothing like that, no evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was really west Side that got scared tired

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<v Speaker 1>into it. And then while now we're sitting that trial, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are suited for the death pilty for Julius

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<v Speaker 1>west Side corroborating the story. We had a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>informants that also played a major role into the case

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<v Speaker 1>that we didn't even know what was part of the

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<v Speaker 1>ball game until we're sitting that trial. So you got

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<v Speaker 1>a guy by the name of Ladelle King and Kerbin Lotti.

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<v Speaker 1>These two in particular individuals had some other pending cases

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<v Speaker 1>on their own that we didn't know as a family

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<v Speaker 1>that was playing a tree with the factor about them

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<v Speaker 1>being an informant. So all these side deals was going

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<v Speaker 1>on behind the curtains and we didn't even know. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even know. So one major point that changed the

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<v Speaker 1>diamond of the case before we were the trials that

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<v Speaker 1>our original trial attorney passed away. You had a heart attack,

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<v Speaker 1>So a couple of months before trial, boom, he's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>We spent some money, so our last resource was to

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<v Speaker 1>get a public defender. Right, so we go to trial.

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<v Speaker 1>These two particular public defenders. Guess what, It's their first

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<v Speaker 1>ever death road case, no experience. One was straight out

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<v Speaker 1>of law school. Right. So now we've got the highest

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<v Speaker 1>profile case in Oklahoma County and probably twenty years, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have rookies as our as our defense. Uh. That

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<v Speaker 1>was that was strange and unique. Right, and de vibe

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<v Speaker 1>in the courtroom was you got an all white jury

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, right white sells rights prosecuted. Everybody looked

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<v Speaker 1>different than us. Uh. That was my first time being

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to the system. You read about it, you saw

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<v Speaker 1>it on TV, But when you're sitting in it, you're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is uh, this is not like TV, right, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is totally different. This is like really at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment where they're gonna decide that they're gonna try

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<v Speaker 1>to put my bester into death, and he wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>tied to the case. So they wasn't even tied to

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<v Speaker 1>the case. Yeah, you know, all the all the build

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<v Speaker 1>up for how they were trying to tie Julius into

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<v Speaker 1>it was miraculous within itself. We were very confused of

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<v Speaker 1>how we even got to that point because their preparation

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<v Speaker 1>was really all about west Side, right, trying to corroborate Julius.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were like, uh so west Side of all

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<v Speaker 1>these details and stuff, don't you think west Side really

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<v Speaker 1>has something to do with it? Right? And now Julius

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<v Speaker 1>So that was kind of strange. So the proceedings starting court,

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<v Speaker 1>our public defender on our time when we had to

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<v Speaker 1>make our defense, doesn't impossible, mindful. Bob Mason, the county

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<v Speaker 1>district attorney, spent two or three days providing why Julius

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<v Speaker 1>was guilty. So now we final out had I chanced

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<v Speaker 1>to make our presentation, guess what this guy does. He

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<v Speaker 1>stands up and says, uh, we rest our case. We're like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're like, wait a minute, no no evidence. You didn't

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<v Speaker 1>call judas to the standing. They called me the family.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't even provide pictures about what the shooter looked

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<v Speaker 1>like by Paul House sister, you didn't even you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even do that. So we were like, you know how

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<v Speaker 1>you take a little air balloon, you live the area.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it felt like in the court, like we

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<v Speaker 1>were watching live and direct right this system in our defense,

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<v Speaker 1>put on no defense, and then there are about to

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<v Speaker 1>make a decision to try to put my best friend

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<v Speaker 1>to death.