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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Jason's pleasure to be here. Thanks

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Speaker 1: And then give the listeners the two minute version to

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Speaker 1: who is Douglas Bows before we get started. Everything in

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Speaker 1: life is going well, thank you. UM. Just a little

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Speaker 1: bit about myself. I was born and raised in Washington.

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Speaker 1: I started and hunting at the age of twelve. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's probably a bass under that log. If a place

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00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,479
Speaker 1: looks bearish to you, those are the type of places

429
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: I like the predator call, even if you're not seeing something.

430
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: A lot of the areas that we hunt, it's super brushy,

431
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: like you know, it's it's twenty ft tall of brush.

432
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: You can't really see what's going on. Predator calling allows

433
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 1: you to knock things loose and hopefully see something come

434
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: in the chance to have a shot. And so that's

435
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: that's why I enjoy predator calling because you never know

436
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 1: what's gonna come in, could be a coyote, podcat, cougar,

437
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: bear or anything. Yeah. Yeah, And and we have did

438
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 1: the majority of our spring hunting on the East Side,

439
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: more specifically in the Blues Um where they've got such

440
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: such an you know, uh an over abundance of food

441
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 1: there in the Blues you know, in spring hits. And

442
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 1: so we've always wondered. We have tried some sets, and

443
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 1: we always carry our predator calls, but you know, it's

444
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: it's really set up for spot and stock. But I wonder,

445
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, in those situations where they have so much

446
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 1: grass and so much to eat early in spring as

447
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: they follow that snow line up, Like I'd be curious

448
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 1: to go back with an intent to call in a bear,

449
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 1: like if you could actually even get them to pull

450
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: off of the wild onions and and you know, the

451
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: the sunflowers and whatnot, that they're just they they can

452
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: never run out. They don't need to go chase or

453
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: waste any energy chase in a deer or a calf

454
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: around you know. Um. And so in those situations, we

455
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: we've just you know, like the with the intent to

456
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: kill a bear, we just have not picked up the

457
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: caller or or you know, we've tried to maybe get

458
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: one out, you know, a boar or a boar we

459
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: wanted to kill out of like a thick brush patch.

460
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: But the majority of the time, I think, even early spring,

461
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 1: in those situations, they're just they're not super interested. I

462
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: would agree that you know, the food might keep them

463
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: locked down. How long are you calling for? You know,

464
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: I grew up on the days where like it was

465
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: the Wayne Carlton calling all bears, you know VHS state

466
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: we would would pop it in it and that, and

467
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: so he just said, sit for a long time, and

468
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: when you think you're done calling, sit for another thirty minutes,

469
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: you know. So I would say our normal sets or

470
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, an hour plus with a half hour away

471
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: at the end before we get up and move. Um,

472
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: you know, and I just maybe we can't see it, Steep.

473
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: It's real broken country. I don't know if maybe stuff

474
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: has come in, we haven't seen it. Um. All of

475
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 1: my calling successes actually came in the fall when I'm

476
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: trying to call Elkin and these you know, these black

477
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: bears are looking for an easy meal. Um. So I've

478
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: just always wondered, you know, like the food obviously affects.

479
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: You're not gonna I don't think you're gonna call h

480
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: a bear. That's you know, stuff to the gills into

481
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: your feet. But at the same time, like you said,

482
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: they are temperamental. And I was just kind of curious

483
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: on you know, early green you know, in certain areas

484
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: at the springtime, like it's still may be difficult to call.

485
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: I think, I think it is difficult. I mean, it's

486
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: difficult to call even when there's not a lot of

487
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: fool around. But it's it's it can still be productive. Um.

488
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: And so like for me, and especially over in the

489
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: Blues or an area that is very large and broken

490
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: but fairly open, like you can see quite a ways

491
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: in the Blues compared to for example, Western Washington. For me,

492
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: I will let the sound do the walk in for me. Um.

493
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: You know, similar to what you're doing with glassing. I

494
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: will predator call down into a draw or a rocky

495
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: cavern you know, uh, rocky valley, anything like that where

496
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: that sound can carry out and just see if I

497
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: can break anything loose and then put glass on it.

498
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: Um if I'm not seeing nothing, if it looks like

499
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: in a to bear for me, um, And I'll do

500
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: the same for Western Washington. Now, it might not always

501
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: break something loose, UM, but again it's you're you wanna

502
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: just peak their predator interest. And and so when when

503
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: people first start calling really quick, this kind of pertains

504
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: to that it doesn't have to sound perfect like with

505
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: ELK kind of know, you know, you want to sound

506
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: real natural. With ELK, I think you would probably tend

507
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: to agree with that. And with Bear you're just trying

508
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: to spark that predator interest, like what is making that noise?

509
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: And can I kill and eat it? Um? And so

510
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: a lot of new callers will come to me and

511
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, I sound horrible. I don't

512
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: sound good, you know, I don't sound anything like a rabbit. Well, hey, man,

513
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Like I predator called in bear

514
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: in Alaska using a you know, a jack rabbit call,

515
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: and there's not a jack rabbit within a thousand miles

516
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: of there. So the point is is to peak their

517
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: interest is um, and you know it. It's a it's

518
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: a nice way to break up the possibility of being unsuccessful.

519
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: So if you're sitting there and you're watching a canyon

520
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: in your glass and glass and you're not seeing nothing,

521
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: and you're thinking about packing up and leave, and we'll

522
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: spend an hour there and and predator call and see

523
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: if something's not hidden down in those crevices and whatnot,

524
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: because they can be hidden down and you know, the

525
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: easiest of spots that you would never think a bear

526
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: was um. For example, I was bear hunting in the

527
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: fall and I I hopped up in this power line

528
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: cut um. You know, there was blackberries all over the place,

529
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: and that wow, I'll just predator call into this tree line.

530
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: And so I started predator calling and within five minutes

531
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: there was a color phase bear within like forty yards

532
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: of me. I had no idea that thing was even there.

533
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: And if I wouldn't have called, the wind could have shifted.

534
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: It could have smelled me. You know, I might not

535
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: have ever known that bear was even there, So it

536
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: can be very handy. Just a predator call. Yeah, we

537
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: were over in the dayton um had a big, dark

538
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: brown you know, bore probably had a thousand yards and

539
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: we really didn't have you know, a little bit too

540
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: far out of shooting distance for sure, and we didn't

541
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: have many options. There was no way to get closer.

542
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: Basically a solid wall uh uh, you know timber canyon

543
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: between us and I hit uh, just a calf call

544
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: that I had um on my binal harness, and that

545
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: bear looked. We did another series and that thing literally

546
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: came like bolting straight at us, and we picked him

547
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: up a couple more times and the timber as he approached.

548
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: We did sit there for another forty five minutes. The

549
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: bear never showed, but at least it gave us hope,

550
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: right because at that point you had no other option

551
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: during that that spot and stock hum. But by having

552
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: the predator call, we watched that bear break and literally sprint,

553
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, at least the first four yards directly at us,

554
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: and then you ultimately he didn't show up. He got

555
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: distracted somewhere across in the canyon. But it was just

556
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, the ability to add to our spot in

557
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: stock Um where there was really no other option to

558
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: be successful. Anyways, it's a handy tool and for you know,

559
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: for me, like if I'm if I'm not seeing something,

560
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: if I'm getting board, I'll definitely just break out the

561
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: predator call. I don't want to care where I am.

562
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: I'll break it out and just see what comes in. Yeah,

563
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: let's talk about the setup specifically, so we figured out

564
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: the area. We know there's bears in the area, Like

565
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: what are you looking for as far as like where

566
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna sit down and where you're gonna you know,

567
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: start your calling. I'm I'm gonna have to assume you know,

568
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: similar to any other calling. You want good advantage, UM,

569
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: you want to be able to shoot in multiple directions

570
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: with this, uh, you know, a steady rest. But are

571
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: you looking for this bear to come in you know,

572
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: thirty or fort yards bow range? Are you you know,

573
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: depending on the season and the weapon, Like you just

574
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: trying to make sure that you have a really good

575
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: shot when he comes in. Like what does your setup

576
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: look like? Um? And then you base like the way

577
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: that bears tend to come in, Like, do they have

578
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: a tendency to come in certain ways and you're trying

579
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: to account for that in your setup. Yes, So it

580
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: depends on the territory. So for example, if I'm if

581
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm over in eastern Washington and I'm el hunting, um,

582
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: that's a fairly open ish type of area, I can

583
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: see a lot longer distance, and so my shot might be,

584
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, further than in western Washington. But for me,

585
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: I want vantage, So I want like a good rocky outcropping,

586
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: or I want a brush pile in in western Washington,

587
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: usually like a stump pile I can climb up on

588
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: and then tuck myself into. And that kind of serves

589
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: us twofold one. You can see a little bit further

590
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: throughout the brush and too, if you're on a stump

591
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: pile with brush and whatnot, you're gonna hear if something's

592
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: coming up behind you. Um, And so it serves as

593
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: kind of a protection as well. Although I've never been jumped,

594
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: but I've had bear and cougar close enough. Um. So

595
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: I want to be elevated. I want the wind Ashley.

596
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: So some people may think this is counterintuitive but I

597
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: would prefer no wind, or very little wind or across wind.

598
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: But if the wind is is blowing to my back,

599
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: I want my shot lanes in that direction. I don't

600
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: necessarily want the wind in my face. And the reason

601
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: I say that, especially with calling, is that predators they'll

602
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: they'll circle to try to get your wind. So if

603
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: there's a predator in front of end the winds blown

604
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 1: in your face, it might circle behind you. You might

605
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: never even see it. Um, Lots lots of times predators

606
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: they'll they'll get that down wind. So you want your

607
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: shooting lanes to be down wind. And I get that

608
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: information from the late grade. Well he's not late um,

609
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: but the Mr Randy Anderson from calling all coyotes primos um.

610
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: That's what he suggested, and that's kind of how I

611
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: started off, um predator calling. So you want those shooting

612
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: lanes down wind. If you have a shooting partner, kick

613
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: him off to your side, left or right, but you know,

614
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: for safety reasons, know where they're at. UM another guy

615
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: available if your predator calling is very hand d because

616
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: it's another set of eyes. And there has been numerous

617
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: situations where I have been predator calling and totally thought.

618
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: I didn't call anything in, and the guy to my

619
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: left or right spotted it coming in because the bear

620
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: was smart enough to stay hidden from me making my noise. Um.

621
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: And I've taken bear that way. My brother killed a

622
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: bear up in the snow. Um. I called to bear

623
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: in and one came right behind me, like fifteen yards.

624
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: I never saw it, and then another one up on

625
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: a tree line further up behind me. My brother ended

626
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: up taking that one, but both of those bears, I

627
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: w I had no idea that I called him in

628
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: if I didn't have a second shooter there. Yuh so yeah,

629
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: so you want advantage point shooting lanes. And most of

630
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: the time when I shoot a bear, it's well under

631
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: a hundred yards, usually under fifty UM. A lot of

632
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: my shots or twenty yards or less. And that's not

633
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: necessarily on purpose, it's just kind of what happens. UM.

634
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: A lot the areas I call into our our brushy.

635
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: I like to call into that stuff because the bear

636
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: are hidden. Um. But you have to call him in

637
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: close to get a shot. Uh. Just last summer, I

638
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: was preda to calling with my son and he was

639
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: he was in front of me. I was on this

640
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: uh stump that was like twelve ft in the air.

641
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: So I was sitting on that thing calling the boy

642
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: was in front of me, but we were in a

643
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: brush are area to where we only had a couple

644
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: of shooting lanes, not a lot, And I actually wanted

645
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: to kick him off to my left. Um, but I

646
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: wanted to keep an eye on him because he's still

647
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: a new hunter and I want to make sure everything

648
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: went good. Um, So I really just put him out

649
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: in front of me. Anyway, I predator called and this

650
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: this bear came into about twenty yards almost just to

651
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: our left and started shaking a tree and getting all

652
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: aggressive and stuff. But we unfortunately we couldn't get a

653
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: shot just because there wasn't a shooting lane that way. Um.

654
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: But you know, lots of times predator calling for me,

655
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: they'll they'll come in under a hunter yards easy, sometimes fifties,

656
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: sometimes closer. You know, last year I had several bear

657
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: under twenty yards. Gotcha, gotcha. So let's get into the

658
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: My favorite part of it is is what calls are

659
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: you going to use? And then calling your cadence and

660
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: then we touch on a little bit, but how long

661
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: do you sit? How long do you call for and

662
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: then how long do you wait from your last call

663
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: before you change? Um sits? So like you, I kind

664
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: of followed Mr Wayne Carlton, and that's that's what I've

665
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: stuck with. It's Uh, there's DVD out there called They

666
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Come to Eat and he talks about predator calling bear

667
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: and cougar and stuff, and so I like to call

668
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: for about an hour and then I'll sit there for

669
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: another twenty minutes or so, depending on if my butt

670
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: is completely asleep and if my knees want to work. Um. So,

671
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: the cadence, we'll start off with that. I got this

672
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: from Randy Anderson. He always said, build, build a scenario

673
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: in your head. And so you know, with with the cadens,

674
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: I'll start out kind of quiet, and so that means

675
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: that your sound isn't going super for it, but it's

676
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: going out a little ways. And you don't want to

677
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: necessarily start off like your full lung power, because you

678
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: might blow animals out. But if you start off kind

679
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: of quiet, that's pushing that sound out and that might

680
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: draw them in. And then just as time progresses, you

681
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: increase the the distress or the frequency or the crying

682
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: and the volume of that. So as as time goes on,

683
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: you increase that volume and the distress, and then right

684
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: before you were gonna stop, I will either trail off

685
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: like I'm dying real slow, and so I'll go back

686
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: to being very very quiet, and then I'll just be

687
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: quiet the rest of the time, or I'll just completely

688
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: drop it off like I've died. So there's a couple

689
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: of different scenarios. Um. Sometimes I will I will do

690
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: like a fond distress, rabbit distress, whatever it may be,

691
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: and I'll throw in a coyote yep or a coyote

692
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: howl or a coyote distress with it. Um. I've had

693
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: animals hang up with just a standard you know, rabbit call,

694
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: and then I throw in that uh kyote distress, and

695
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, the breed comes barreling in because maybe he's

696
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: heard standard rabbit calls before and got educated, but but

697
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: that ky out whimper put him at ease and he

698
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: wanted to come in and see what was going on.

699
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: So switch it up a little bit. Um, sit there

700
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: for an hour, do that, do that cadence like I

701
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: was saying, And and as far as what calls I'm bringing, Um,

702
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 1: you know, I reallyate this too. When car alarms first

703
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: came out, then this kind of puts my age, you know,

704
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: ages me or whatever. But when Carlin's first came out,

705
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: when you heard one in a parking lot, you'd be like,

706
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: oh man, there's car alarm, like someone's car is getting

707
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: broken into. And then six months later, no one cared

708
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: because everyone's car alarms were going off and everyone had

709
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: already heard it. So if everyone in the world is

710
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: blowing a rabbit distress or a cottontail distress, lots of

711
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: predators are probably educated to that. Um, So switch it up. Try.

712
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: You know, I actually went and bought just a couple

713
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: of days ago, a um a coon squalor. So I'm

714
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: gonna try to do some coon squall and for bear. Um,

715
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: try different things. Try you know, a pig squeal, um, anything,

716
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: goat distress, whatever you can think of that's different. That

717
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: is a nasty sound that might get a predator coming in.

718
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Use that, I mean, I use rabbit calls. Don't get

719
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: me wrong, But you know, like I said at the beginning,

720
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: the first time I called a bear in it was

721
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: with a calf call, and that was just kind of

722
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: a you know, just kind of a lonely call, but

723
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: it got that bear coming in. Um, so switch it up,

724
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: don't don't be shy about trying something new as far

725
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: as predator calls go. Yeah, And like I said, the

726
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: majority of all of the bears that you know myself,

727
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: for all my buddies have called in and killed, have

728
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: just came in during elk season to a calf call

729
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: or a cow call, you know, or or me me

730
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: blowing both of those calls. And you know, they usually

731
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: coming very slow. They're they're picking the ground apart. And

732
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: you know the only reason I'm able to spot him

733
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: if I wasn't paying at and they'd be very very

734
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: tough to spot. Um. But you know they're coming in cautiously.

735
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: But I'm looking for an elk to come in because

736
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: usually if I'm actively calling, um, you know, but those

737
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: bears are coming in you know typically you know, very slow,

738
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: very cautious. Um. You know, I don't know. I try

739
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: to like figure it out in my head. Why you know,

740
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: if if there's a calf there, like, are they is

741
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: something already there? Is there already another you know, a

742
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: more dominant predator there? Um? You know, are they sneaking

743
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: into this kind of U you know, assess the situation

744
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: before they fully commit. But um, yeah, all of our

745
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: all of our bears that we've killed um behind a

746
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: call have come from you know, calf specifically, and that's

747
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: because we're out there doing a different activity. The bears

748
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: are just kind of a byproduct of calling for elk

749
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: and and sitting after that you've called. So say you

750
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: say you call for an hour and you're you're done calling,

751
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: it is important to sit there for another ten fifteen,

752
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: twenty minutes if you can. UM. And I give this information,

753
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: but sometimes I don't follow it. And the last time

754
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: I didn't follow it, I was l hunting, but I

755
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: wasn't having much luck without so I went Predator called

756
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: and then I've been there for like an hour. I

757
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: was calling down into this rocky ravine UM and nothing

758
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: came in. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna hike back.

759
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's like ten fifteen minutes to my truck,

760
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: and it was kind of shaped like a U. I

761
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: had to go around this little galie. So all the

762
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: time I get to my truck and I started driving

763
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: down the road, I can see a color phase bear

764
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: barreling down like right toward where I had just called,

765
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: And I think if I would have just sat there

766
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: another ten minutes, because I didn't. I didn't sit around.

767
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: I just called for an hour and then I left.

768
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: If I would have just stayed there for that ten

769
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, I could have had a shot at that bear. Um.

770
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: And one other quick tip too, I forgot to mention,

771
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: like when I first sit down and I'm I'm getting

772
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: ready to predator call, I will take five ten minutes

773
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: to let things kind of settle down around me. If

774
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: I made a bunch of noise going in, and I

775
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: will take the time to memorize as best I can

776
00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: features around me, um, stumps, brush, things like that. Um,

777
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: so I know if it changes. You know, sometimes a

778
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: barrel crawl up on top of a stump and look

779
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: at you, and you know you in your mind you're

780
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: looking for a bear on the ground. You might miss

781
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: a bear standing on stump. Um. Another really good tip

782
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: that I tell people too, is if you're predator calling

783
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: and you hear birds or squirrels going nuts like a

784
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: couple hundred yards out, and then a few minutes later

785
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: into your call, more squirrels are going crazy, like closer

786
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a fifty seven yards closer, and then

787
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: closer and then closer. Pay attention to that. Focus your

788
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: viewing in that direction, because squirrels, like every deer hunter knows,

789
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: sound alarms as you walk through the woods, and they'll

790
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: do that with bear they'll do that with predators. And

791
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: there's been numerous times where squirrels and birds have tipped

792
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: me off, like, hey, that squirrel three yards out, he's

793
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: not yelling at me, he's yelling at something that's right

794
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: within his eyesight. And now a two yards squirrel is

795
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: is barking. It's queueing you into that thing walking in.

796
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: So pay attention to that. And that that bear that

797
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: my I called in with my son that was shaking

798
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: the tree at twenty yards. There were magpies and stuff

799
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: going absolutely nuts at the tree line. Prior to that

800
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: bear coming in. I said, hey, Hayden, there's there's something

801
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: coming in that those those birds are tipping us off.

802
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: And sure enough that thing came right in and those

803
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: birds gave us the hint. So pay attention to that.

804
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: That's an important tip. Yeah, that's a that's a great tip.

805
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: Um specifically on calls, have you used bear cub very much?

806
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: Or tried it, and I've always thought it could potentially,

807
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: if done right or in the right area, would work

808
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: really well because I think you could pull in both

809
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: the boars and the cells. But I was just kind

810
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: of curious, because you know, a bear cub in distress,

811
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: those those boars are out there trying to kill those

812
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: cubs so that the you know, the sal will come

813
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: back in that year versus the sALS you know, having

814
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: the motherly instink to come and check it out even

815
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: if it maybe isn't there, cub. Have you ever had

816
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: any success using bear cub you know squalls specifically, or

817
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: that's that kind of annoise you kind of stay away

818
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: from and just you stick to the rabbit and you

819
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: know the other sounds. Wait, are you telling me that

820
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: dad bears and mom bears and baby cubs don't live

821
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: together in a nice little family unit. We'll save that,

822
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: We'll save that, that that conversation for a different day.

823
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think a lot of people want us

824
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: to think that that's how bear families are. But no,

825
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: we we're gonna We're gonna stick to the fact that

826
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: the you know, the bare dad wants to kill the

827
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: bear baby so that he can procreate with the beare Mom. Okay,

828
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: I was just clarifying. I had no idea that that's

829
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: really what happened. I have a bear cub squall. Um,

830
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't really use it. Not to say that I'm

831
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: against it. I just haven't. Um. I think I bought

832
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: it last year or the year before, and so you

833
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: know a lot of the calls I have their custom

834
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: calls from like custom call makers, like they're made out

835
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: of Elkhorn or or antler um, their honed or whatever,

836
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: different different tunes to them. Um, I'm not against it,

837
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: I just haven't used it. But I I really think

838
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: they sound very similar to a lot of the calls

839
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: I'm using. They might be a little more deeper, a

840
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: little more throaty like the cub squall kind of is

841
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: um yea, But yeah, I just I haven't used it.

842
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: Got you, and I I've watched you know, tons and

843
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: tons of YouTube videos of barcup distress and and I'm

844
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: fully convinced that with most of my jack Rabbit um

845
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: you know tunes and voices, that I can make the

846
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: same thing just by changing the length of it. You know,

847
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: you stretches that Barcup squall out a little bit and

848
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: you're not so quick like the jack rabbit. And um,

849
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: just something I was curious if if anybody's been using

850
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: barcub you know, very very successfully. It just seems like

851
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: some of the YouTube videos I've watched where you have

852
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: both you know, the boars and the stals coming in.

853
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times it's around bait um

854
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: so you're able to like see all these bears interact

855
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: to each other in very close proximity. But usually when

856
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: that cub starts to squaw, you know, the every every

857
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: bear and ear shot comes you know, relatively close. So

858
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: it seems seems like in theory woud work. I just

859
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: I've never went out there specifically and tried it. A

860
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: couple other things that popped in my head too that

861
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: I want to share with the audience is, um, you know,

862
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: rabbit lungs are very small compared to a human set,

863
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: and so if you're wailing on a call, I always

864
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: tell people to try to make it, you know, sound

865
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: realistic as best you can, but you know, it's really

866
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: just to pique their interest. But you know, so do

867
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: a do a short little you know, squall with it,

868
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: they'll go, you know, don't use all that long power,

869
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: because a rabbit is not going to have that. Um.

870
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: And the other thing too, is is put heart into it.

871
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: And when I say that, you know, make it sound

872
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: hurt and lonely. Don't just blow on the thing with

873
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: no sort of passion to it. Put a little quiver

874
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: into your into your voice, into your throat when you're

875
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: doing that, you know what I mean. Um. And then

876
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: one other key thing too is like people are like, man,

877
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: you call for an hour straight, Well, yeah, I'm sitting

878
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: there for an hour, but I might call for you know,

879
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: a minute or two, very steadily or pretty steady, and

880
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: then I'll pause for thirty seconds to a minute. Now

881
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: listen because most of the time I hear bear long

882
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: before I see him. Um. And so I'll listen for

883
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: for anything cracking, you know, branches breaking, any of that stuff.

884
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: So it's not you're not blowing on that thing straight

885
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: for an hour. There are pauses in it. Don't feel

886
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: like you have to run yourself out of breath. UM.

887
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: Tryer calling bear. Yeah. Um. And then you know, most states,

888
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: well I don't want to say most, some states you

889
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: can bait in. And one thing we've always found, even

890
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: last year, I got to hunt behind um some dogs

891
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: and the guy we hunted with didn't run baits, but

892
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: he had mentioned like a lot of UM guys that

893
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: are running you know, paid clients all the time. They're

894
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: using you know, baits to kind of concentrate the bears

895
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: and then you know they're running their dogs by the

896
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: baits on the road, you know, to get those started.

897
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: That's also another tip if if you're in an area

898
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: where you can bait, um, it won't hurt to get

899
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: the bears concentrated if you in fact want to go

900
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: out there um and call one in, But it may

901
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: be just as easy, especially if they're on a bait,

902
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: just to sit sit over your bait. If your goal

903
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: is just to kill a bear, you're probably gonna have

904
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: better odds, you know, sitting the bait and and those

905
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: bears are typically gonna be pretty full with you know,

906
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: sugars and breads and whatever else are getting UM. Well,

907
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: last thing, last point I wanted to touch on is, um,

908
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: how often do you glass bearers and then moving to

909
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: call them or are you not that picky? Is it

910
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: not that important that you call in a bearrier? If

911
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: you if you glass them and can shoot them like

912
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: your work's done? Or how many times have you glass

913
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: bearers went over to their hillside or made the move

914
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: and then tried to call him? And then what can

915
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: you say as far as like you know people that

916
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: are gonna go out there and try it, like what

917
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: is their success gonna be? UM doing that? Where they

918
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: go in glass of bearr they no one's in the area. Um,

919
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: it's it's obviously got to help their odds and calling

920
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: in a bear, but like what are the chances that

921
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: that goes goes in their face ever when they go

922
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: over there to call it in? So last summer, last

923
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: bear season, last fall, I had a particularly good call ratio.

924
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: I was about um of me sitting down calling I

925
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: would call bears in and normally I'm around UM that

926
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: I see that I see bears. Now, lots of times

927
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: you might be predator calling. You might not see something

928
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: that comes in or might hang up um that type

929
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: of thing. But those are my percentages as far as

930
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: me visually seeing a bear, UM, depending on where it is,

931
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: like if it's across the canyon or something, my my

932
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: predator call to it to see if I can't get

933
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: it closer, just because I don't want to have to

934
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: hike it across the canyon. UM. You know, if if

935
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: I can get closer to where it's a it's an

936
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: easier pack out. I'm definitely gonna try that UM lots

937
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: of times. If I see a bear, I will try

938
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: to put a stock on it if it's open and

939
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: like if it's in eastern Washington, if it's in western Washington,

940
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 1: usually the brush is so thick um where I'm where

941
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm at that I might see a bear in a

942
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: in a pocket across the gully. But you know, there's

943
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: so many downfall or down logs and brush and everything else,

944
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: it would be just counterintuitive to try to get down

945
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: to it. So I'll try to predator call to it.

946
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: UM that can be successful. The last couple of years

947
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: I have been very choosy about the bears UM I

948
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: would take. I haven't I prior to last year, I

949
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: hadn't killed a bearon a couple of years. I've been

950
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: involved in it, and my son got one in et

951
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: cetera and so forth. But I'm specifically looking for a

952
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: certain color UM and I took them one last year

953
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: because the area I was in had so many freaking

954
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: predators in it. There was all I had was bear

955
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: and cougar all over my trail camera. I had a

956
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: couple of deer. Um. But so I decided, if I

957
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: see a bearon here, I'm taking it just just to

958
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: ease pardators. Um. But you know, you get better at

959
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: things the more you try it. And so if if

960
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: a guy is is predator calling is not having a

961
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: lot of luck, just just keep plugging away at it. Um,

962
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: You'll get better, You'll learn more. UM. I would say personally,

963
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: if you're a beginning bear hunter and you see a

964
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: bear and it's in a stoppable position, I would try

965
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: to stock it first. Um. If it is a lot

966
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: of brush or a lot of stuff in the way

967
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: that you think you're going to spook the bear or

968
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: or whatnot, hop on that predator call. And like you said,

969
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: that bear that broke lose a how a thousand yards

970
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: or whatever it was and came Barrelyn towards you guys,

971
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: that's a prime example of that call worked. Um. Now,

972
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: you you might not have got a shot, but who's

973
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: to say. You know, if if it was you and

974
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: your buddy, you could be like, hey, I'm gonna stay

975
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: here in predator call, you head down to that tree

976
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: line and hopefully he'll get into that tree line try

977
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: to come up to me. You know you can. You

978
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: can formulate a plot against that that bear and try

979
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: to get a shot. Um. I would just encourage, yeah,

980
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: people just to carry one with him. It's just it's

981
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: just an added tool that is very, very useful in

982
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: certain situations. I'm gonna end it here with one last question,

983
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: Dan doug Let us hear your your number one tip

984
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: for new hunters out there, For new hunters, find food,

985
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: find the bears, and for predator calling, give yourself time.

986
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: So you got to think if your predator calling down

987
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: into a valley, you gotta think how long it's gonna

988
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: take for that bear and say it's on the far

989
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: side of the valley, how long it's gonna take that

990
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: bear to get from point A to you to point B.

991
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: And I I forgot to mention this earlier, but it's

992
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: a very important tip when calling. So when you're playing

993
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: with a kitty a kitty cat and you are, you know,

994
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: using the string, and the cats all interested while the

995
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: strings moving and batting it around, and then you stop

996
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: playing with that string and you just put it down,

997
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: the cat loses interest. They are very very similar with

998
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: the sound. That's why you want to keep the sound

999
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: going as much as possible during the call set, because

1000
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: I have noted that bear really only walk or move

1001
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: lots of times, not every time, but lots of times.

1002
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: They will be moving while you're making that sound, and

1003
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: then when you stop blowing on the call, it will

1004
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: sit down or it will pause. And so think in

1005
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: your head, Hey, every time I'm calling, maybe that bear

1006
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: that's across the valley is walking towards me. You have

1007
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: to give it enough time to get to you. So

1008
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: that keys into the patients, I guess. But I guess

1009
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: number one is fine food, find bears, and be patient

1010
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: when calling. Yeah, perfect, perfect, Well, thank you very much

1011
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: for coming on the podcast, Doug, and good luck this

1012
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: spring and falling on your bear hunts and uh look

1013
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: forward to see how you do. Thank you, sir. I

1014
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Oh, I'm just real quick. I just wanted

1015
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: to thank meat Eater as well for taking the time

1016
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: to put in that petition for spring bear for Washington hunters.

1017
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: I know that they didn't have to do that, but

1018
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: they did, and so I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah, yeah,

1019
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: it was, Yeah, it was crazy times. But hopefully we

1020
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: can get that spring bear season back. I don't even

1021
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: I've been so busy lately I haven't uh um kept track.

1022
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: But by time this podcast comes out, I guess we'll

1023
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: know whether we have a spring bear season or not. Um.

1024
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: But well, thanks a lot Doug for joining us today.

1025
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: Really appreciate all your knowledge on you know, everything black

1026
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: bear hunting, especially when it comes to calling. And good

1027
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: luck out there this spring and fall bear hunting. Thank you, Jason.

1028
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate the invite and I wish the best for

1029
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: all new predator callers. Good luck. Yeah, thank you. Have

1030
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: a good one. M