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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We have Buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: here with us. He is the co host of the

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Speaker 1: radio show We all Know and Love Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: Buck Welcome, Hey, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so we had to have you because you are

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Speaker 1: a former CIA officer. We're getting into all these crazy

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Speaker 1: things that are happening, like a disturbing what is the

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Speaker 1: NSA chat room where people are saying like really disgusting things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a real thing that happened. Apparently d and

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Speaker 2: I gabbard Is has already fired them or is in

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Speaker 2: process of firing them. I'm not even sure how long

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Speaker 2: all that takes, but she said she would. Yeah. They

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Speaker 2: they had the same kind of infiltration of the intelligence

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Speaker 2: community by the gender wackos that you've seen in universities

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Speaker 2: and in places in corporate America all over the country.

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Speaker 2: You know, the intel community overwhelmingly recruits out of certain

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Speaker 2: kinds of colleges, universities, and a lot lot of these

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Speaker 2: international relations masters programs which are very left wing, and

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Speaker 2: the kind of people that you would think should be

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Speaker 2: going right to the Peace Corps or to work for

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Speaker 2: the Soros Foundation can very easily end up at the

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Speaker 2: CIA or the NSA, and that kind of stuff happened

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Speaker 2: in large numbers in particularly the last decade.

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Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of people don't really

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Speaker 1: consider what this means. You hear this and you're like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: everybody's got this weird section of people that they work with,

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Speaker 1: and no, No, these are the people that are giving

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Speaker 1: us intelligence. These are the people that are supposed to

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Speaker 1: be protecting the country. They had some very disturbing conversations

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Speaker 1: and one person had to be referred to as it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, And remember people that are saying those

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Speaker 2: things when they claim on this NSA, CIA, it's really

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Speaker 2: something like a bulletin board more than I think is

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Speaker 2: a live chap or whatever. The systems have all changed

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Speaker 2: since I've been there, and the actual systems in their names.

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Speaker 2: It's been years and years since I had a clearance.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that from friends of mine who

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Speaker 2: are still on the inside. It's not just that the

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Speaker 2: intel weirdos that were exposed in this are there and

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Speaker 2: think this, but they also want to influence broader policy

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Speaker 2: in the institution. So we can sit here and say

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Speaker 2: the person that wants to be called it because it

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Speaker 2: is non binary or whatever non gender conforming demands that

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Speaker 2: HR demand that everybody do that. And that's where it

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Speaker 2: gets even weirder. Right, it's one thing for someone to

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Speaker 2: have absurd beliefs and to have a security clearance while

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Speaker 2: doing it, which I also think is a clear national

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Speaker 2: security race. They would ask you about your debts, do

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Speaker 2: you like the gamble, do you have any you know

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Speaker 2: anything that you could be used to blackmail you about

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Speaker 2: your sex life or like? These are all things to

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Speaker 2: get a clearance. Everyone knows this stuff all if you've

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Speaker 2: read any spine novels or watched any of the recent

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Speaker 2: CIA shows in particular, they'll talk about some of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: But if you think you're an it, that's fine. In fact,

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Speaker 2: that's protected. That has to be celebrated. If you, as

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Speaker 2: I saw on one of the chats and hatsip Chris

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Speaker 2: Rufo for being the one that exposed all this, if

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Speaker 2: you claim that you want to have a herm if

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Speaker 2: and non gender conforming, you have big problems. And yet

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Speaker 2: clearances who were thinking that, not just thinking this stuff,

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Speaker 2: sharing this stuff with other people inside the institution. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's bad. It's hundreds of people too. It wasn't like

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Speaker 1: No, that's the crazy part. Over one hundred people that

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Speaker 1: was like deviant stuff. I mean, the things they were

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Speaker 1: saying were messed up. And here we are, we have

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Speaker 1: these people in our government. Now we have a situation

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Speaker 1: where Pam Bondi is unable to get the full Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: We think that that'll change now that cash Battel is

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Speaker 1: at the FBI. But I think these things are somewhat

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Speaker 2: Well, this is where, unfortunately, Tutor I tend to be

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Speaker 2: I want access to the system, or I want someone

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Speaker 2: else to access the system and pull all of these files.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that he's going to get the files right.

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Speaker 2: This is whatever has to understand the same thing with

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Speaker 2: the JFK stuff. And I would note that I went

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing in these files. And there

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Speaker 2: was nothing new in the files. And this wasn't a

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Speaker 2: surprise to me at all, because I understand how the

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Speaker 2: government actually functions. It works. We all talk about the

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Speaker 2: deep state, and there's this awareness that there are people

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Speaker 2: who think that they are not accountable to the rest

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Speaker 2: think that's what Trump and his team are doing. It

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Speaker 2: just means that they're fighting in this that they're not

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Speaker 2: tell you all the things we didn't want to tell

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Speaker 2: you before. So everyone needs to temper their expectations a

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Speaker 2: We would know that stuff doesn't or if if it's

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Speaker 2: already destroyed it. You see what I mean. It's not

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Speaker 2: as simple as like there's some amazing Remember the end

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Speaker 2: of the movie The Rock. You ever see saw The Rock? Right?

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Speaker 2: It's great, I mean absurd movie. Your producer John, who

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Speaker 2: the right microfilm. There's no microfilm that the government is

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Speaker 2: been destroyed for a long time. So these are my

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? This is like when Elon

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Speaker 2: I hate to be the one tutor. But and the

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Speaker 2: Epstein files, what we know is bad enough. I don't

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Speaker 2: just mean about Epstein. I mean about the government. Obviously

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Speaker 2: the Epstein stuff is horrific and monstrous and evil, But

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Speaker 2: at various stages of the Epstein It was a cover up.

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Speaker 2: So we already know there was a cover We already

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Speaker 1: But you know this, this is like, this is second

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Speaker 1: this with confidence because you've lived it. The rest of

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Speaker 1: There are people that are, you know, very upset with

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Speaker 1: Pambondi on online. We see social media posts very upset

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Speaker 1: with her. The next thing is going to be cashed.

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Speaker 1: But when does reality come out exactly what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: When do people come out and say, you know, this

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this is going to sound a little smug,

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Speaker 2: before Pambondi showed anything that there was going to be

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Speaker 2: me just put this out there. There are theories that Epstein,

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Speaker 2: say it's a conspiracy theory, a theory whatever. I promise

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Speaker 2: that's very, very hard because the people that are in

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Speaker 2: So I'll just give you an example of this. Right,

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Speaker 2: you might not even know this, tutor, and people that

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Speaker 2: follow this very closely don't know this. When they arrested

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Speaker 2: than a year and funded it to the tune of,

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Speaker 2: you know, a billion dollars, So what is that? How

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Speaker 2: do you even comprehend that? Right? It's so much money,

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Speaker 2: And and yet people will say, well, that's only a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars. We're thirty six trillion dollars in debt. We

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Speaker 2: assume that. So we have this problem of scale right

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Speaker 2: in the thinking about all this, because there's an assumption

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Speaker 2: or there's just there's just baked into all of this

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Speaker 2: that you know, Medicaid and Medicare rather Medicare fraud is

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Speaker 2: estimated to be eighty billion dollars a year. And that's

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Speaker 2: not an Elon number, that's just the number that's been

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Speaker 2: like the government's own number for a long So when

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Speaker 2: you're losing eighty billion dollars on a single government program

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Speaker 2: to waste, fraud and abuse, and then you're finding all

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Speaker 2: these other little programs that are smaller, it's just tough

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Speaker 2: for people to keep it in the kind of scale

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Speaker 2: in their minds where I think they demand action, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's just almost I think it's overwhelming. I

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Speaker 2: think at some level Elon is overwhelmed. I mean not entirely,

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Speaker 2: but I think he's overwhelmed by just how gross the

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Speaker 2: swamp really is. Like he knew it would be bad

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Speaker 2: that as he's looking into it, you get the sense

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Speaker 2: that this whole thing is is just a it's a

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Speaker 2: runaway freight train. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's where I think the American people are too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as we hear these things, as these numbers come out,

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Speaker 1: I mean you talk about like the Stacy Abrams organization

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Speaker 1: that received two billion dollars and then they were told

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Speaker 1: to spend it in twenty one days. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: talk about the scale of money, two billion dollars for

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Speaker 1: an organization that has never had more than one hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars in their pocket. Suddenly they're going to get it,

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Speaker 1: and they have to spend it in twenty one days.

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Speaker 1: It's almost impossible. And therefore, if you have to say,

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Speaker 1: what could this possible? What could possibly be going on?

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Speaker 1: You've said that you've heard rumblings inside the intelligence community

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Speaker 1: that people are kind of like, oh my gosh, Trump's back,

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Speaker 1: and this time he's actually serious.

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Speaker 2: For sure. Yeah, I know that they It's funny because

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Speaker 2: the first time around, and I remember this very well,

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Speaker 2: the first time around Trump took over, there was initially

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Speaker 2: huge panic at oh my gosh, what's he going to do?

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Speaker 2: And this is crazy and Trump and Russia and all

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Speaker 2: this stuff, and then they kind of figured out, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's got some swampers that are around him,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we can just wait this out. That

477
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Speaker 2: was the attitude. We're just going to wait this out.

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Speaker 2: We'll do what we do, and unfortunately they were largely

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Speaker 2: right about that. Now, there's a lot we could talk

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Speaker 2: about with how they sabotage Trumps administration with Russia collusion.

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Speaker 2: They were actively actively working against them. They didn't just

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Speaker 2: wait them out. Okay, fine, but put that aside. This

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Speaker 2: time around, the attitude after he won, so I'm talking now.

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Speaker 2: The immediate days after election was yeah, you know, Trump

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Speaker 2: talks a big gay, but we know how to deal

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Speaker 2: with this guy. And here we are now in March

487
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Speaker 2: a few months and it's, oh my gosh, this guy

488
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Speaker 2: is not messing around like. He's put people in charge

489
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Speaker 2: this time who are intending on carrying out the agenda

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Speaker 2: of cleaning out the madness in these places. So they've

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Speaker 2: they've had a lot of whiplash in the in the

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Speaker 2: intelligent community. The intelligence is way too big. You have

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Speaker 2: far too many people who are doing nothing or doing

494
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Speaker 2: the same thing that somebody else is doing, which is

495
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Speaker 2: effectively the same as doing nothing. It's one of the reasons,

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Speaker 2: honestly that I left him. And as soon as the

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Speaker 2: mission under the Obama administration, you know, shifting toward climate

498
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Speaker 2: change and all kinds of crazy stuff too, I just like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to do this anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's an enormous source of waste. Now, you do need

501
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Speaker 2: an intel, You need intel latencies, because if not, you're

502
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Speaker 2: just going to be preyed upon by the foreign intelligence

503
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Speaker 2: operations of other countries. Because there's huge advantage in information obviously, right,

504
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Speaker 2: there's a huge advantage of knowing what your adversaries and

505
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Speaker 2: even what your allies are up to. But it needs

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Speaker 2: to be a lot better than what it is, and

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Speaker 2: it needs to be brought up to date in the

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Speaker 2: twenty first century, and it needs to not be concerned

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Speaker 2: with calling.

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Speaker 1: People it Yeah, right, well, of course, And now we

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Speaker 1: are in the midst of I mean, he came in

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Speaker 1: at a very interesting time where we are on the

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Speaker 1: edge of World War three, or we could be on

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Speaker 1: the edge of World War three, and you've got people

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Speaker 1: who are defending this Ukrainian president who I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: if we're honest about Ukraine. Trump was impeached the first

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Speaker 1: time because people are like, oh, my gosh, Ukraine is

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Speaker 1: so corrupt. Should we actually trust what his conversation was

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Speaker 1: with the Ukraine. And now they're defending Ukraine and they're like,

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Speaker 1: we've got we've got to be there for Ukraine. But

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Speaker 1: I can't understand the American public. Do they want him

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Speaker 1: to go in and then say We're going to restore

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Speaker 1: this border and push Russia back, or do they just

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Speaker 1: want this war to stop because he promised to stop

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Speaker 1: the war. He didn't promise to return Ukraine. One hundred

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Speaker 1: percent make it whole.

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Speaker 2: I think that the two primary reasons that there's opposition,

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Speaker 2: the American opposition to Trump on Ukraine and his approach

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Speaker 2: to it, come from one. Anything Trump wants must be

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Speaker 2: bad and therefore opposed. And it's the most simplistic, but

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Speaker 2: I think widespread thinking in the anti Trump world that exists. Right,

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Speaker 2: So Trump wants to end this war, and that's something

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Speaker 2: that would give him a win politically and it would

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Speaker 2: look good for him. Therefore, more Ukrainians and Russians tens

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Speaker 2: of thousand need to get you know, shot blown up,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, because I don't want to have to stop

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Speaker 2: flying my Ukraine flag in my bio. Right, That's one

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Speaker 2: part of it. And well, actually that kind of transitions

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Speaker 2: into the second part of it too, which is I

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Speaker 2: think for a lot of people they a sense of

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Speaker 2: of moral heroism from their support, just like they do

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Speaker 2: with climate change.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is why the vax needle

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Speaker 2: emoji and the Ukraine flag emoji were side by side,

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Speaker 2: and so many people you remember this, so many people's

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Speaker 2: profiles it was they had you know, he him in

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Speaker 2: their Twitter bio or whatever, because they got to tell

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Speaker 2: us the pronouns. Of course, they should tell us their

550
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Speaker 2: testosteron levels, but he him and then and then they

551
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Speaker 2: would have the uh, the syringes for COVID, and then

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Speaker 2: they would have a Ukraine flag because to them it's

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Speaker 2: a it's a it's essentially a moral fad, and it

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Speaker 2: costs them nothing because they just think of it as

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Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars and you know that that that means nothing

556
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Speaker 2: to them, uh and it makes them feel good about themselves,

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Speaker 2: and so they won't report it for that.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting because Elon came out and he said

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Speaker 1: he made this comment about empathy being dangerous, and I

560
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Speaker 1: think people were kind of like, well, how can you

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Speaker 1: say that? But I think from the government mental standpoint,

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Speaker 1: empathy can be played on. So if you have all

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Speaker 1: of these people who are empathetic to this cause without

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Speaker 1: all of the knowledge, because propaganda can then come in

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Speaker 1: and it can destroy nations. I mean, really, it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting thought when you look at these bios, because that

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Speaker 1: is what it is, is empathy. It's people like, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, I care so much. I have to show

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Speaker 1: that a care. But it's false empathy because they don't

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Speaker 1: know the whole story and that's when it becomes dangerous

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Speaker 1: for a leader, or a country or the entire world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, of course empathy can be dangerous, and

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Speaker 2: you could see this in so many different situations. But

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Speaker 2: you can walk past a person on the street who's

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Speaker 2: homeless and seems you're very down on his luck and

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Speaker 2: think to yourself, that's sad, and you know that's a

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Speaker 2: child of God, and I wish things were better better

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Speaker 2: for him, And you can think that. You can also

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Speaker 2: walk up to that person and say, you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: i'd like to give you. You know, here's five dollars.

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Speaker 2: You know, go go get yourself a hot meal. And

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Speaker 2: they may pull a knife out, put up your throat

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Speaker 2: and say I'll take the whole wallet of things. That's empathy.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't work for you, you know, And that's the

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Speaker 2: real world. I'm not saying that happens all the time.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that there are situations where you can

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Speaker 2: be drawn into and your empathy can be used as

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Speaker 2: I think. Actually, Ali Beth Stucky has a very good book,

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Speaker 2: Toxic Empathy, where she talks about the way politically our

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Speaker 2: good guy impulse on the right particularly is used against us,

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Speaker 2: and you see that all the time, constantly, right, So

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Speaker 2: you know, just just use the preferred pronouns. It's the

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Speaker 2: nice thing to do with the transgender debate. It's been

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Speaker 2: a huge thing, right, I don't I don't want to

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Speaker 2: offend somebody. I'm a polite person, so of course I'll

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Speaker 2: use your pronouns. Well, it starts with the pronouns, and

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Speaker 2: then it's I also want to play on the you know,

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Speaker 2: high school girls' basketball team, and I'm a six foot

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Speaker 2: tall guy. Right, one goes into the other. And this

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Speaker 2: is where your empathy is being used as a political

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Speaker 2: tool or weapon against you. And in the case of Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of people for whom

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Speaker 2: they they think of this like its teams and Ukraine good,

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Speaker 2: Russia bad. And you always hear this like Putin's the aggressor. Yet, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we know, but there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 2: are being who are being brought to the front lines

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Speaker 2: to fight in that war, who just happen to be

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Speaker 2: born in Ukraine or happening born in Russia and they're

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Speaker 2: about to get their arms blown off? Can we stop that?

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Speaker 2: Is there a way we can get that to stop happening?

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Speaker 2: Another part of this too is you know, if the

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Speaker 2: Donbas region ends up being part of the Russian Federation.

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Speaker 2: When all said and done on this, it's not Nazi Germany.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who live in Russia.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's perfect or even greater or whatever,

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Speaker 2: but you know, they have families, they have food on

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Speaker 2: the table, like they live their lives. This isn't the

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Speaker 2: end of the world. And for us to be messing

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Speaker 2: around in this way when there are nuclear weapons, thousands

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Speaker 2: of them in the hands of the Russians, there is

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Speaker 2: there's a red line which the Russians I think would

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Speaker 2: deploy those news spot.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. People in the United States, we've

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Speaker 1: been so spoiled that we don't understand leverage. There is

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Speaker 1: no Ukraine has no leverage here. They want the United

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Speaker 1: States to stand behind them and say we're going to

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Speaker 1: push you back and we're going to restore Ukraine. That

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Speaker 1: is where I have a problem. They didn't ask Obama

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Speaker 1: to get Crimea back and then go fight Russia. You know,

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Speaker 1: they were okay with Russia. Then they were okay with

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Speaker 1: Russia when they came in to Ukraine the first time.

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Speaker 1: They just said to Joe, just keep giving them money

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Speaker 1: to let them fight. Why would you want to continue

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Speaker 1: this battle? Why would you want to continue this war?

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Speaker 1: You've got this little country that if Russia eventually wants

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Speaker 1: to come in and take over, we are holding them back.

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Speaker 1: But if there's an opportunity to stop the bloodshed, stop

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Speaker 1: the bloodshed. I mean, even my friends in the Arab

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Speaker 1: community here, they say, understand that there is a battle here.

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Speaker 1: We want peace, we are looking for peace. Where did

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Speaker 1: when did Americans stop looking for peace?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think also when you look at what the

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Speaker 2: options are for for Ukraine and what the Lenski's must

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Speaker 2: must be his his endgame here, and there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of different theories about it, but to me, he wants

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Speaker 2: the only way that this war can end in his

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Speaker 2: mind is if there is a promise and a guarantee

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Speaker 2: that the US and uh European countries will threaten to

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Speaker 2: put Do to go muzzle the muzzle with the Russians

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Speaker 2: and to fight them, you know, because this is this

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Speaker 2: came up really and then sit down where he goes, well,

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Speaker 2: what if Putin violates the ceasefire? Well, man, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're you know, we're going to probably do some more

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Speaker 2: economic sanctions and send them a strongly word letter and

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Speaker 2: do what we can to make it more uncomfortable formal,

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Speaker 2: and continue to send guns and munitions and things like

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Speaker 2: that to Ukraine so they can continue their resistance. But

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Speaker 2: we're not about to drop the eighty second airborne there

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Speaker 2: and be like, all right, go fight the spetsnas. And

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Speaker 2: I think that people get very uncomfortable with Zelensky because

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Speaker 2: they start to feel like, is that what he's trying

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Speaker 2: to engineer here? Right? Is there? Is he trying to

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Speaker 2: get to a place where America is actually willing to

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Speaker 2: go to war with Russia to protect Ukraine? And this

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Speaker 2: is I think this is where the fundamental clash is

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Speaker 2: on this, at least from those who are trying to

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Speaker 2: be serious about policy. The answer to whether I think

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Speaker 2: we should lose a single American life to defend the dawnbosses, No, No,

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Speaker 2: under any circumstance.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: And so I think Zelenski knows that that are a

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Speaker 2: lot of people feel that way. And so this is

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Speaker 2: where there's all this prevarication, is talking to both sides

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Speaker 2: of his mouth. Oh yeah, I want this wor to end,

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Speaker 2: but I want security guarantees. What's going to be a

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Speaker 2: sufficient guarantee? Right? I mean, what's going to be a

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Speaker 2: sufficient guarantee for Zelenski? And I think the only one,

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Speaker 2: and he won't say this out loud, the only one

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Speaker 2: is that America promises that will actually enforce, will enforce

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Speaker 2: these lines ourselves with force, with guns. And I don't

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Speaker 2: want that. I mean, if Europeans want to do that,

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Speaker 2: good luck.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's where Trump is. The Europeans

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Speaker 1: can do this. This is much closer to them, but

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Speaker 1: we're doing it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Well, this is great. The EU is

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Speaker 2: a bigger economy than the United States. You know, they

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Speaker 2: want to form this economic union. Yeah, we're the biggest

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Speaker 2: for any single country. But they want to form this

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Speaker 2: economic union. There's plenty of resources from the EU countries

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Speaker 2: to figure this thing out and get this thing done.

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Speaker 2: And it is their backyard. It is their problem more

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Speaker 2: than ours.

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Speaker 1: But there is definitely I mean, you have this little

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Speaker 1: country who is out there saying I want the two

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Speaker 1: nuclear powers to come fight over me, and the American

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Speaker 1: people need to recognize that's that is not a place

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Speaker 1: you ever want to be and you don't want to.

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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump is not being manipulated by this guy,

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Speaker 1: whereas I think Joe Biden was manipulated by him, or

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Speaker 1: whoever was actually in control was manipulated by him the

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Speaker 1: whole time. It stops today. This is the new era,

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Speaker 1: this is the Trump a and I am, for one,

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Speaker 1: interested in seeing how it goes forward, because I agree

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Speaker 1: with you we're not going to send anybody there, and

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't send anybody there. And I've taken up all

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Speaker 1: of your time, but I so I could just listen

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Speaker 1: to you talk forever, because you do know all of this,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to. Clay is going to yell

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Speaker 1: at me if I make your head too big. But

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Speaker 1: I do enjoy our conversations because you do have quite

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Speaker 1: a bit of knowledge, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Try to stay up on these things.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you going to chat with you about things,

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Speaker 2: and thank you for doing so. On the client. Buck

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Speaker 2: podcast network and numbers are fantastic, Tutor, well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's because of you, guys, so I don't even have

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Speaker 1: to say we enjoy having you Buck Sexton. As always,

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Speaker 1: you are always welcome on the podcast and for all

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Speaker 1: of you listening. Thank you for listening. Check us out

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