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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, which has brought

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Speaker 2: to you by first Light. I'm your guest host, Tony Peterson,

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Speaker 2: and today I'm joined by my good buddy Clint Campbell

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Speaker 2: to talk about his quest this season to kill a

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Speaker 2: legitimate two hundred inch deer on public land. I know

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Speaker 2: you noticed that this isn't Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 3: He's not here.

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Speaker 2: Today's your old third stringer, Antonio. Mark is off actually

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Speaker 2: recovering from a pretty nasty throat injury. You guys might

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Speaker 2: not know this, but Mark is actually a very accomplished

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Speaker 2: clarinet player. Well, he was wailing away the other day

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Speaker 2: when one of those little Kenyon boys chucked a football

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Speaker 2: in his direction. I'll spare you the details, but I'll

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Speaker 2: just say it was a direct hit. And now Mark

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Speaker 2: has to eat ice cream and apple sauce for a while.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully he heals up soon, though, because we don't want

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Speaker 2: him to suffer anymore. And plus I'm pretty sick of

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Speaker 2: doing not only my job, but most of his. My

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Speaker 2: guest today is a good friend of mine, Clint Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Clint is a really good hunter who also happens to

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Speaker 2: be the host of the Truth from the Stand podcast.

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Speaker 2: Clint had the opportunity to hunt a very rare deer

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Speaker 2: this year on public land, a buck that he's known

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Speaker 2: about for a few years, a legitimate two hundred inch

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Speaker 2: type of buck. It's truly incredible. So in this show,

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Speaker 2: we're going to dive deep into that story and go

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Speaker 2: even deeper into the reality of not only finding giant

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Speaker 2: bucks on public land, but what to do if you

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Speaker 2: do manage to locate one. Clint, Buddy, I feel like

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Speaker 2: I needed to do this podcast with you, sort of

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Speaker 2: as a wellness check. You're hanging in there.

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Speaker 3: I'm hanging in there, man, I'm okay. You know, things

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Speaker 3: are They were bleak for a moment, you know, I was.

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Speaker 3: I tried to my buddies. So my buddy sent a

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Speaker 3: text about that deer, and there were a couple of

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Speaker 3: us that knew about him and stuff like that, and

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Speaker 3: of course, you know, look it's it's deer hunting, right

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Speaker 3: and deer get killed, and you know, sometimes they get

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Speaker 3: killed by people, sometimes killed by cars. Like you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes you just don't see them to die of old age, right,

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Speaker 3: So I try not to get too precious on a deer.

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Speaker 3: But and I tried to play it off with my

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Speaker 3: he's like, you've been living in your truck, in your

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Speaker 3: you know, since October fifth, I have basically hunted at

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Speaker 3: chasing weather fronts and stuff like that. He's actually, don't

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Speaker 3: give me that. Don't give me that bs, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, and then my response back to

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Speaker 2: So let's let's talk about this deer. Because you you

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Speaker 2: and a half ago, two weeks ago or something of

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Speaker 2: a legit giant that you had found on public land.

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Speaker 2: We don't need to get into the details other than

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Speaker 2: you you found one in a probably five million buck.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the level of that deer is is unreal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if that if that deer walked out in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's yeah, he's dead. You know, we knew

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Speaker 3: first time we knew of that deer was my one

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a ways away from like

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Speaker 3: that year, he was probably like one hundred and fifty inches,

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Speaker 3: October for the first couple weeks in November, and so

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Speaker 3: There's no agriculture, so there's no defined destination food sources

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is true big woods.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, true, true, big true, big woods. Deer don't live

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Speaker 3: But this was like an instance where I was like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, so let's let's back up here a second.

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Speaker 2: So this book, you found him or he kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, he was pushing one fifty. So they let's

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Speaker 2: say for the last five years, for sure that beer

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Speaker 2: that deer walks by ninety nine point nine percent of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: I would just think that that's like very very likely

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Speaker 2: you about, is it's it's cool as hell to have

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Speaker 2: you're talking a deer that's right at the two hundred

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Speaker 2: is just bananas, right, But also the fact that that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean he was. He certainly wasn't. He

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Speaker 2: So that's exactly what I was going to say, is

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Speaker 3: it seems to me like this particular area like as

433
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,240
Speaker 3: the deer get older, they become a little bit more

434
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 3: homebodyish right, and they don't move quite as much. But

435
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 3: then there's also like the groups of deer that just

436
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 3: completely vanish and disappear. And so I wanted to try

437
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,679
Speaker 3: to get a good beat on whether or not what

438
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 3: deer in him, specifically if they were still around in October.

439
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,800
Speaker 3: And the crazy thing was was I just had a

440
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,680
Speaker 3: sneaking suspicion that deer was still around because I don't

441
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if any of us got any pictures

442
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 3: of him. I think the last sure we had of

443
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 3: him was like September twenty first, until like I had

444
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,680
Speaker 3: him on the twenty sixth. I don't know if anybody

445
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 3: any of my other buddies got him on camera like

446
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 3: prior to that. But yeah, I mean he basically goes

447
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 3: at a.

448
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 2: Lot of people. Weren't telling the truth in your little

449
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,679
Speaker 2: circle at that point.

450
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 3: No, I mean we were all pretty like forthcoming, right like,

451
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,639
Speaker 3: because when I had that encounter with him, you know,

452
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 3: I was talking to my one buddy, and I mean

453
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,439
Speaker 3: I told him I had the encounter. I told him

454
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,360
Speaker 3: where I had the encounter at. You know, it's like, hey,

455
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 3: this is where where it was at. He and I

456
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 3: probably talked more than our other buddy or other buddy

457
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 3: also just had had a baby recently, so like his

458
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,679
Speaker 3: time getting out. Oddly enough, out of the three of us,

459
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 3: he was the only one to killed a buck, so

460
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 3: he wasn't getting out nearly as often as like he

461
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 3: probably would have been the past years and stuff like that,

462
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 3: you know. And so but you know, a buddy, my

463
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 3: one buddy, and I think we were sharing pretty freely,

464
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,919
Speaker 3: like of what we were seeing, what we weren't seeing,

465
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 3: you know, if we were cutting a track or not

466
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 3: cutting a track or whatever. But yeah, I bet, I mean,

467
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure there was a little bit of secrecy going on.

468
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 3: You know. It's like we're all chasing a big dear.

469
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 2: And didn't you find out though, after you found out

470
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 2: the buck was dead, that one of your buddies had

471
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 2: missed him.

472
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, my one buddy actually it was the day before

473
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 3: he the day before he killed he actually shot just

474
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 3: shot right under him. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and the

475
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 3: thing was like my one buddy and I, it's like

476
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: we had an agreement. It's like, dude, whoever kills this dear,

477
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 3: the other guy, we're taking the We're taking the guy

478
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: out for like a steak and bourbon. Dinner or staking

479
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 3: Scotch dinner, you know, like that was like on the books,

480
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 3: you know, because I was like, no matter what, like

481
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 3: if one of us gets a crack at this dear

482
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 3: and we get him on the ground, like it's just

483
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 3: cause for celebration regardless, right, And I mean that's just

484
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: speaks to like having good dudes, you know, around you

485
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.

486
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 2: So so let's let's back up a second here. If

487
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: if I were to go back, if I were to

488
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 2: take you back to Clint camp on let's say October

489
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 2: one of this season, and now we're going to ask you,

490
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 2: all right, you've got this freaking giant, You've been working him,

491
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 2: you've been aware of him a long time, this is

492
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: your focus for the season. What would you have pegged

493
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: your odds at of killing that deer?

494
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 3: M I mean when I go into it, like I

495
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 3: gave myself one hundred percent because I don't ever like

496
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 3: to feel like I'm walking into something and that's gonna fail, right,

497
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 3: Like if I don't think I'm going to kill him,

498
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 3: then what am I? Why am I hunting him? You know?

499
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: But that's part of like, you know, just like sports talk, right,

500
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 3: It's like any football team. It's like you walk into

501
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: a game and it's like you could be oh and

502
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: sixteen facing the team that's sixteen and oh and you're like,

503
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 3: we're gonna win the game, right because if you don't

504
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 3: think that way, you have no chance. Right.

505
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I wanted to get to, because you

506
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: you put in real time on this, dear. And yeah,

507
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: I've had a few situations in my life where I

508
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 2: found a big one. You know, I've talked about a

509
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 2: million times when I found a booner on public here

510
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: in the Cities one time, hunted him for thirty days,

511
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: killed his buddy. Ever saw them again. But it takes

512
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: it takes that mentality, Okay, I know. I mean even

513
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: though you know you're kind of tricking yourself, right Like,

514
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: you know that your odds are not one hundred percent

515
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: that you're gonna kill a two hundred inch buck on

516
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: public land in Pennsylvania, right like, But you have to

517
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: you have to put in that requisite work to believe

518
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 2: in yourself enough to see that process through, even though

519
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: you know, like the odds are less than one hundred percent,

520
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: they just are. But if you're believing in the process

521
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: and what you've put in. That's what keeps you making

522
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 2: that drive and sleeping in the truck and doing the

523
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: scouting and everything. And I think I think that you.

524
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: I think it's easy for people to kind of contextualize

525
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: that around a buck of a thousand lifetimes. But if

526
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: you're just starting out, or you've killed a few deer

527
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 2: and you want to bump up from you know, two

528
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: and a half to something bigger or whatever, the same

529
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: rules really kind of apply. Like if you don't put

530
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: in the work, you know, you're not gonna have that belief,

531
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: you won't hunt as hard like that. You have to.

532
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: You have to have that faith in yourself somehow.

533
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you have to. You have to fool yourself

534
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: a little bit. It's the thing that helps you get

535
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: up at four o'clock in the morning and every morning,

536
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. When you don't when you

537
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: don't want to write, especially whenever you're sleeping in the

538
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: front of your truck, you're tired, you know, you didn't

539
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 3: get good sleep, and midday when you're when you're scouting,

540
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: all you really want to do is go back to

541
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 3: the truck and take a nap, you know what I mean.

542
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: But you're not going to get any closer if you

543
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 3: don't put the time in right. I mean, I felt

544
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 3: pretty good about my odds of seeing him, Like I

545
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: thought that that would happen, but I didn't. I didn't

546
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: have any delusions of like what this was going to be.

547
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: You know, I knew that I had a pretty good

548
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 3: chance to see him because I thought, you know, in general,

549
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 3: me and my two buddies, I thought we were all

550
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 3: in the right general area like to have have a

551
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: visual of him right and truthfully, like you know, like

552
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: I said, I was one hundred percent because that's how

553
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 3: I forced myself to get up and do this every

554
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: day and like work and do all the things I

555
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: needed to do get I mean, I still trained jiu

556
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 3: jitsu like three days a week while I was doing

557
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: all this right, so it's like my life didn't miss

558
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: much of a beat, you know, while I was doing it.

559
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: But realistically, I thought it was fifty to fifty. You know.

560
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: I thought I had a couple places that were one

561
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: spot in particular that I thought was really dialut if

562
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: I could time it right, and that was the spot right,

563
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 3: and it was just a matter of like could I

564
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: be there when he was going to be there, right,

565
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 3: And so realistically I thought I had a fifty to

566
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: fifty percent chance. I thought for sure, it's like I

567
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: would see him at some point, whether or not I

568
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 3: was going to be close enough to get a shot

569
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 3: or not, or at the right spot. Whenever he was

570
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: close enough to get a shot, that I was like,

571
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: it's a kind of a toss up, right, because you

572
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 3: know just the way they move on that piece and

573
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: how far they can move. Like, for context, there was

574
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 3: a deer that my one buddy and I knew of

575
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 3: the previous couple of years that we were hunting this

576
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: other general area because I hadn't hunted this area until

577
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 3: last year at all, even know I had cameras on it,

578
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: had been scout it. And there was one particular deer

579
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 3: that you know, I had an encounter with in an

580
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 3: area and I thought for sure, like that general area

581
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: is where you could kill him. And he got killed

582
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: also I think during during gun season, and he he

583
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 3: was killed roughly four and a half five miles as

584
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: the crow flies from where we had him on camera

585
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: and where I had an encounter with him, right, So

586
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: you know the distance that they can that they travel

587
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: in this general area. I knew that. You know, when

588
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: you do see him, the chances of him being around

589
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 3: there for an extended period of time are probably limited,

590
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: especially once you got into like the later part of November.

591
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 3: Like I figured like that October earliest November time frame

592
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 3: was probably like the best time. Once you hit mid October,

593
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: I was like, I think he's probably gonna really be

594
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: searching and then he'll probably make his way back because

595
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: I always usually got him again in like late October

596
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: early December timeframe, right, And so I knew there's probably

597
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: like a period of two weeks where he's just going

598
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: to be gone, right and probably not going to be here,

599
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: which is why I kind of put my odds at

600
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: like fifty to fifty, because it's like he's not going

601
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: to spend all his time here. He's going to travel,

602
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: you know. And I know that, and I know from

603
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: prior experience they travel a long distance in this area.

604
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: So I think, I think there's something so important to

605
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: what you just said. And I've been thinking about this

606
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: a lot lately, where if even if you have that

607
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: buck's entire home range to hunt, let's say the land

608
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: that you hunt, he's he spends ninety percent of his

609
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: time there or whatever. Like the time that he's probably

610
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: going to bounce and leave your world is the time

611
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: when you can haunt him, you know. And I think

612
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: that a lot of times. I think this is the

613
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: blessing and cursive trail cameras, right, Like you use trail

614
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: cameras to go, here's my window when this giant's going

615
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: to be here. Probably here's the window where he's probably

616
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 2: just going to light out and go somewhere where I

617
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: just don't know yet, And they're like very consistent on that,

618
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 2: and trail cameras teach you that. But trail cameras can

619
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: also tell, you know, the average person like, oh, well,

620
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: you just had a one forty walk through here, you

621
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 2: know twice this week, so like now that becomes your

622
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 2: target buck, and that that might have been him. Just

623
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: like we literally just had this happen at my buddy's

624
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: place over in Wisconsin. We had a buck show up

625
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: for two days that was probably pushing one fifty beautiful

626
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: mainframe ten point or just a toad for up there,

627
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: and then he's gone, and my buddy's like, I'm super

628
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: excited to go hunt gun season now, and I'm like,

629
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: that deer is freaking gone, dude, Like that was just him.

630
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: He followed a dough winery that was part of his

631
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: rot route or whatever for a couple of days and

632
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: he's gone. And I think a lot of people, I

633
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: think they go into a one buck hunt or they

634
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: you know, kind of pin their hopes on a deer

635
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 2: that's really totally out of play. I mean, i'll give

636
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: you another example quick here.

637
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: I have.

638
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,239
Speaker 2: I have a property over in Wisconsin. This's twenty eight

639
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: acres and one of the neighbors who borders me has

640
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: like sixteen acres sixteen and he's got a food plot

641
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: in there. Whatever he lives there. He puts a lot

642
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: of work into this little piece and we've had a

643
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: buck the last few years. That's a very big, non

644
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: typical for over there. I mean probably upper one sixties,

645
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: tons of stickers, really cool deer. But every year you

646
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: talk to him and this guy is like, you know,

647
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: stickers is back, blah blah blah. And I'm like, you

648
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: have sixteen acres, man, and you hunt the shit out

649
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: of it, like you're you're not going to kill that deer,

650
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: Like you can't. You can't work that deer using you know,

651
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: a fifty like a hundredth of his home range, a

652
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: fiftieth of his home range, whatever, Like there's just there's

653
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: just no way. But it's like so many people are

654
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: out there looking at just you know, maybe a couple

655
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: of pictures or whatever and going there there, that's my season,

656
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: that's what I'm going to do. And hey, that's like

657
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: if you want to do that, that's fine. But the

658
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: more you the more you do the kind of hunting

659
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: like you're talking about, the more you learn, like what's

660
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: really in play for me and what's not. And a

661
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: lot of these deer aren't in play that long in

662
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: a lot of places.

663
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, in this type of setup or in

664
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: this type of setting, like if you don't have a

665
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: couple of years of intel like trail cameras, scouting, visual

666
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: on the hoof like whatever, like it's you have on

667
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: you have virtually no chance, right, just because of how

668
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: much ground they cover and how many HIGHI holes they

669
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: have and and things like that. It's a little bit different.

670
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: Like and it goes back to what we were talking about,

671
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: what we were talking about the beginning, which is, you know,

672
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: part of the reason why I think this deer got

673
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: to that age is because he lives on a piece

674
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: of you know, big woods that he has vast land

675
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: to travel. He has a lot of places he can

676
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: hide and a lot of places guys aren't willing to

677
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: hike two to hunt, you know what I mean. So

678
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: you know, it gives him the opportunity to grow old.

679
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: When you have those places that have a lot of

680
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: structure and and things like that, I think, you know, yeah,

681
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: maybe you don't need as much intel because it's really

682
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: defined how deer are probably going to move, right. You know,

683
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: you can start to you know, anticipate how they're, where

684
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: they're going to be and when they're going to be,

685
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: and like the food is here, and the betting is here,

686
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: and the does live here. It's like when it starts

687
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: to set up like that, it becomes a little bit

688
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: a little bit easier. But you know, this year, there

689
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: was there was none of that. You know, there was

690
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: no structure, There was no and so you know, the

691
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: only really reason we were able to kind of successfully

692
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: i think, kind of stay close to him and know

693
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: that we were in his core areas because we literally

694
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 3: had three years of intel of trail cameras data on

695
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: him of like being in different places different times of

696
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: the year, right, because that was the biggest thing for me,

697
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: was like was knowing that he would be in the

698
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: general area, like in the October October timeframe, right, or

699
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to spend any time hunt him, Like

700
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to pin my whole hunt on just

701
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: trying to hunt him in November and hope that he

702
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: comes through on a dough during the rut, you know,

703
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: Like I wasn't gonna do that. I'm not that lucky,

704
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like we'll just put it

705
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: that way. I'm not I'm not that kind of I'm

706
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: not that lucky of a guy, right, So I knew

707
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: that he was probably still in the area just by

708
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: like previous years intel, you know, and that I needed

709
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: to spend my time like trying to like get a

710
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: visual or cut his cut his sign somewhere and then

711
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: getting that visual in mid October. Like if I didn't

712
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: see him, didn't have him on trail camera or anything

713
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: in October, right, like I probably would have left him

714
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: went to Missouri, like like I was planning to, right,

715
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: But because I saw him in the middle of October,

716
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I know he's here. Like this

717
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: is his I always assumed this was his core area.

718
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: I now really think that it is right. And now

719
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: I have a better idea that I actually even think

720
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: like a section of this is more in play than

721
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: the rest of it, if that makes sense, right, Because

722
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: you know, at one point my buddy and I both

723
00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: did this. We were talking about it on the phone

724
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: one day. We both basically took like the primary areas

725
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: where we had him relatively consistently dropped a pin and

726
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: then put a mile radius around it. And that was

727
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: what I was scouting in October, was I was basically

728
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: scouting that mile radius around that central kind of area

729
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: that we thought was kind of like, let's just call

730
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: this the center of his home range, right, And then

731
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: just spent time walking like that mile radius and like

732
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: the little areas that I thought he might be hiding

733
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: out and dropping a camera and stuff like that, just

734
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: to you know, see if I could pick him up.

735
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: And you know, and a lot of that time was

736
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: probably spent for not but based on you know, what

737
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: I ended up learning where he was spending a lot

738
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: of his time. But you know the benefit of that was,

739
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: you know, I really got to understand this piece a

740
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 3: lot better for future hunts, and I basically just gave

741
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: you know, I gave this season up to either trying

742
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: to kill this deer or I was going to little

743
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: mature deer teach me like that was my goal. Those

744
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: are the two goals I had to either fill my

745
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: tag with this deer. I was talking to my buddy

746
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: Jako for about this because he was like, man, you know,

747
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: hunting a deer like that, one specific deer in that

748
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 3: type of country. He was like, is like a task,

749
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: you know? And I was like yeah, I was like,

750
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: but you know, the season that I had last year,

751
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: I was like, I feel like I owe it to

752
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: like my development, if you will to do this and

753
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: let a mature deer, if nothing else, just teach me

754
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: some lessons and probably some hard lessons. I was like,

755
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: but you know, for me, that was part of like

756
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: the gratitude of the season that I had last year,

757
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: was like, let's do something hard this year, knowing that

758
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: the success rate's probably not going to be real high, right,

759
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: but the growth I think I can get out of it,

760
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: like as a hunter but also just as a person.

761
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: I was like, I think will be well worth it.

762
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: And so that was kind of the that was kind

763
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: of like the secondary goal.

764
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: Man. That's I mean, first off, that's really cool, but

765
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: also it's just it's it's like a missing component of

766
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: a lot of people want to kill big deer, but

767
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: they don't understand that that's just a part of it.

768
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: Like you have you have to do things that are

769
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: it's not the challenge of killing a big deer alone

770
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: doesn't really mean that much without like all the other

771
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 2: variables involved, right, And so if you're not, if you're

772
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: not trying something to help yourself level up a little bit,

773
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: like you're just you're just not going to get there.

774
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: And that's that's just how it works. And the thing

775
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: that I love about your story with this deer is,

776
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: you know, for a while the public land thing was

777
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: so hot. It's starting to that that I feel like

778
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: that's like sort of died down now and we're kind

779
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: of back to leases and box lines and like trophy,

780
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: we're like back to trophy hunting again. But public land,

781
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: as bad of a rep as it gets a lot

782
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: of times, can be sometimes a better option if you

783
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: want a giant, or you want a great hunt, or

784
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: you want to really learn how to do something out there,

785
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: better than good private land. And this is this is

786
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: like nobody really wants to hear this. But I ran

787
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: into this with my daughters this year, or one of

788
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: my daughters anyway. The other one killed a buck right away,

789
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: so she was tagged out, but one of them didn't.

790
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: And so we just had a weekend in early November,

791
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: and I said, you know, let's go run that decoy.

792
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: Let's do what we did last year, hunt some of

793
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: the private pieces we have. Couldn't see a deer, and

794
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: I told her, I said, you know, I got a

795
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: spot on public that I haven't been into for a

796
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: few years, but I killed some good deer in there,

797
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 2: and I saw some big ones, and I'm like, maybe

798
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: we can just roll in there and find something. And

799
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: she's never done that kind of hunt, dude. We pulled

800
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: up and there's there's a couple old logging roads and

801
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 2: there's big woods. It's thousands and thousands of acres of timber.

802
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: And I got out of the truck and I could

803
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 2: see big rubs from the truck and a scrape where

804
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: these deers scraping right by this gravel road. And I

805
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: told her, I said, we're going to go back and

806
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: get our stuff, We're going to walk in here and

807
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna hunt, Like we're not going to go because

808
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: I just was originally going to go walk it with

809
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: her and just kind of look around. And we went

810
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: in there, and because you know she's crossbow hunt, she's twelve,

811
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: we set up on the ground, which is tough over there.

812
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: It was kind of that rainy southeast wind almost no

813
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: wind kind of stuff where it was like we keep

814
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: getting that weather pattern this year. So we sat that

815
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: night and when we walked in there, the amount of

816
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: sign and it keep in mind I had just come

817
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: from Iowa public Land, but still I didn't see sign

818
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: like that in Iowa anywhere I went. And I covered

819
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: some ground like it was like we are We're in

820
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: the belly of the beast right now. There's something going

821
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: on here. We didn't see any deer that night, but

822
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: it was rainy, the wind sucked. It was just like

823
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not I don't count this as

824
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: like a negative toward what we have working here, Like

825
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: this was just sort of a probably wasn't going to

826
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: work out. So we go back to the cabin and

827
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, do I want to go back in there

828
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: with her in the morning, and I'm kind of like

829
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: debating because I have easier setups on private, you know,

830
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: And we were literally hunting any bucks. She'd shot any

831
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: illegal buck, but I was like it bothered me, and

832
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: so I don't get reception in the campies. I walked

833
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 2: outside and I pulled up on ax. I'm like, why

834
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: are they there? Like I didn't understand this, this concentration

835
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: a sign And I found a private hayfield I didn't know.

836
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 2: It looks like a horse hay field or whatever, nine

837
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: hundred yards away in the exact direction that that scrape

838
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: line was going. And there had been a bunch of

839
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: tracks on the road because we were dealing with a

840
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: lot of rain. And I was like, why why are

841
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: the deer doing this? Like why would they go to

842
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: that chunk of big woods and leave this one when

843
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: they're all kind of the same, you know what I mean.

844
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: So I'm like maybe logging activity or something. And then

845
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: I found that and I'm like, I'll bet you that's

846
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: the destination, Like it's it's you know, there's no agg

847
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: up there, right, And so I told my daughter, I said,

848
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning, we're going to go the long way in

849
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a pain in the ass, but we're

850
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: gonna not We're gonna We're gonna get ahead of these

851
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: deer and go set up again in that blind. You know,

852
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: we'd piled some dead falls together whatever, and I was like,

853
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: maybe we'll catch them coming back in in the morning.

854
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: And we got in there and it was super foggy,

855
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: dead still kind of rainy, and we heard a stick

856
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: snap like an hour into the morning, and she got ready.

857
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: Deer never showed up, and I know there's like little

858
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: logging roads and stuff they'll peel off of, and so

859
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe he didn't get here. And I looked

860
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: up and there was like one hundred and thirty inch

861
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: or stand in forty yards away and he had us

862
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: peg and he just cut down or ran away, and

863
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: I was like, man, we.

864
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: Almost almost had an amazing buck on public land in

865
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 4: the Big Woods when we couldn't find a four key

866
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: on private.

867
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: Ten minutes down the road. And it's like that shit

868
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: is so cool just to have that opportunity, And a

869
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: lot of people kind of ic themselves out of that

870
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: and they look and go, well, I have grandma's forty

871
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: acres to hunt or whatever. I'm not going to go

872
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: scout the public down the road that gets pounded. And

873
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, you just don't know on any given year,

874
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: you don't know what you're going to find in there.

875
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: And there's there's some opportunities that are just like, you know,

876
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: really great deer that you can work on public and

877
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: it's so freaking cool.

878
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I mean, I think, especially when you start

879
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: thinking about states that aren't known for for a good deer,

880
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 3: I think that the only way that you can find

881
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: like the upper caliber of deer is to is to

882
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 3: go to the to the public, like for the most part, right,

883
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: I think it's different whenever you get to like the

884
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: Iowa's and Kansas is and Illinois and stuff like that,

885
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: where it's like you can find good deer. I mean,

886
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: there's good deer everywhere in those states. Right, it's just

887
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: a matter of you know, being at the right on

888
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: the right piece, right, whether it's private or public or whatever.

889
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 3: But I really think when you start talking about states

890
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: like Pennsylvania, for example, you know, I think you have

891
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 3: a better chance to find, you know, a quality deer,

892
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: and like it's like, let's just say quality in the

893
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: terms of age structure, right, because that was ultimately the

894
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 3: one guy that I ran into. You know, he asked

895
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: me where I was from, because that piece that I

896
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: was hunting a little bit of a ways away from

897
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: my house a couple of hours, and his question to

898
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 3: me was like, well, how did you, like, why do

899
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: you hunt here? Right? And he'd been hunting there a

900
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: long time, so it's like I think at first he

901
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: was a little bit precious on the spot where it's

902
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: like people coming in that aren't from here hunting this area,

903
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean type of thing. Even though

904
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: I'm from I'm a resident, right, but it's still like

905
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 3: I'm not a local. And I just said, I looked

906
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 3: on a map and I was looking for a place

907
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: that I thought had enough land mass, you know, that

908
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: deer could hide during gun season. I was I can

909
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: get age on them so I could hunt the age

910
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: class of deer that I wanted to hunt. What's relative consistency,

911
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: you know, And that to me was like the most

912
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: important thing, was like being able to find a place

913
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: where they can you know, get to like four and

914
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: a half years old, you know, I'll even take three

915
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: and a half because a lot of the deer around

916
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: me locally, don't make it.

917
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: Three and a half.

918
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: Like that's usually like upper end age class of deer

919
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: around here. You'll get your occasional four and a half

920
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: an occasional five and a half, right, But like buying large,

921
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 3: like the more mature deer you get on camera at

922
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 3: local to me is probably like three and a half

923
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: is probably like the you know, the larger part of

924
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: like the mature quote unquote age structure. But this area

925
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 3: was like big enough where I was like, yeah, I

926
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: think that you can get the get the age on them.

927
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: And I think whenever you're talking about states like Pa,

928
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: if you do want to hunt deer that you know,

929
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: get to that four and a half year old or

930
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: older kind of age class, like that's your best option,

931
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: right because if you're hunting the back forty and you're

932
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: around a bunch of other back forties, you know, and

933
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 3: it's a heavy hunting heritage state, and you could throw

934
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: Michigan probably into this too, you know, or even Wisconsin

935
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: for that matter, probably to a degree. You know a

936
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: lot of people and you know, it's not whatever they

937
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: want to do however they want to hunt, but like

938
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: a lot of people aren't trying to kill, you know,

939
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: the better deer in the air. They're just trying to

940
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: have fun and shoot a deer, you know what I mean,

941
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: and like, you know, or power to him. But if

942
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: you're a person who's looking for an age class to chase,

943
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: you know, or something like that, or a type of

944
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: experience you're looking for, and those places, you know, you're

945
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: probably not going to get that on your back forty

946
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: or your grandpa's back forty or one hundred and fifty

947
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 3: acres that you own over here, Like it's just you know,

948
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: it's going to probably be hit. And this as far

949
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: as like yeah, one year you might be able to,

950
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: but then the next five you might not. And that's

951
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: kind of the situation I had, you know, several years ago,

952
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: because we own property back in Western PA, like my

953
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 3: family does, and I hunted that, you know. Growing up,

954
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: I had like private property that I hunted, and then

955
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 3: as I got older, we had like other family pieces

956
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: that I that I hunted, and I just got to

957
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: a point where I was hunting a specific buck. You know,

958
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: this is like the last time I hunted a specific

959
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: year prior to this. And I had four different encounters

960
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: with him in late season, and like all well within

961
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: like marginal bow range, just could never get him shot.

962
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: And so the following years like I'm gonna kill him.

963
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: Open him day and he came out out of the

964
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 3: crick bottom and I saw him, and he just he's

965
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: with a couple other deer, and the other's deer got

966
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: spooky and he turned around and walked away, and then

967
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: someone shot him in gun season, and I knew where

968
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 3: he was bedded, but he was on the neighbors And

969
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: that was when where I stopped kind of hunting public land,

970
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: not because I have think there's anything wrong with it,

971
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: but I was like it killed me to know that,

972
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: Like I knew where that deer was at, and there

973
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 3: wasn't anything I could do about it. I just had

974
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 3: to wait and hope that he took the travel route

975
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 3: that I was setting up on right and that things

976
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: were going to break my way as opposed to getting

977
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: within fifty yards of him, you know, and having enough

978
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: daylight or whatever to work in, you know. And that

979
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: was kind of the thing for me. It was like

980
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I want to hunt a

981
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: better age class a deer, and I want to be

982
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 3: able to if I know where a deer is at

983
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: I want to be able to go get him, you know,

984
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: and and that's ultimately why I ended up, you know

985
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: where I ended up. And you know, finding this caliber

986
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 3: of deer to hunt this particular year was just kind

987
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: of a was just kind of a bonus.

988
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: Right, Just just to be clear, you said that's when

989
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: he stopped hunting public, but you meant stopped hunting private there.

990
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what. Yeah, and that and that's.

991
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: That is a that is a hard thing to get

992
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: across where if somebody has their four year, they're eighty,

993
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 2: that's that's private. They don't want to go hunt in public.

994
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: But if you want, you know, like you said, in

995
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: some situations, you might have a better chance to find

996
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: a big one if you have more room to room,

997
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: and you might have a better chance to figure out

998
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: how to like how to really work some deer. And

999
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, like I say this a lot on about

1000
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: public land hunting, and I truly believe it. You know,

1001
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: private land is so appealing because you feel like you're

1002
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: only working the deer generally, you know, but if you're

1003
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: on forty acres and the next forty over has five

1004
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: hundreds on it, and the next forty over has two

1005
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: hunters and the next forty. Oh, you really are working

1006
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: the hunters too. You're just not thinking about it. You're

1007
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: thinking about what are the deer doing on my place now?

1008
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: And you know you can't divorce that from the fact

1009
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 2: that they're getting pushed around and shot and all kinds

1010
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: of stuff on other properties. You go out in thousands

1011
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: of acres of unbroken timber in pa or wherever you have,

1012
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 2: you accept the fact that you're going to be working

1013
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: against other hunters like you have. You have to work

1014
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: the hunting pressure to some level, but you also get

1015
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: to work that deer, maybe in his entirety, and not

1016
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: worry about him hopping the fence and betting where you

1017
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: can't get him and somebody else might shoot him. And

1018
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: there is there is like something really appealing to that.

1019
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, I push this message on

1020
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 2: here all the time and in my Foundation podcast because

1021
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: I believe it so much. But I'm like, if you're

1022
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 2: limiting yourself, you know, to forty acres and you're not

1023
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: happy with your hunting or eighty acres or whatever you have,

1024
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: you're not out anything. By going to try to figure

1025
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: out some of the local public land or some of

1026
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 2: the you know, maybe going like you do a couple

1027
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: hours to a different part of the state, or I

1028
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: do here in Minnesota quite a bit, just to see

1029
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: if you can find something to work that puts you

1030
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: in a little bit different place and gives you a

1031
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: different chance to you know, kind of flex your muscles

1032
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: a little bit. That shit's fun, and it's like that

1033
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: is how you get way better. And you know, getting

1034
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: better at something is pretty enjoyable typically.

1035
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the other thing is too, is that you know,

1036
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: I guess at this at this point, like I just

1037
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: go where the deer are that I want to chase,

1038
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: right And so whether it's that piece I was on

1039
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 3: this year or if it's stuffed local, wherever the deer

1040
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: are that I want to chase is where I'm going

1041
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: to hunt, you know, regardless of you know, because around

1042
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 3: me the public gets hammered, right, Like it's crazy pressure,

1043
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 3: like the pressure that that this big woods piece gets.

1044
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 3: Like I think some of the locals think there's there's

1045
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: pressure there, but you know, what I always kind of

1046
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: say is like, man, if you're deterred by hunting in

1047
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: areas that you where you see tree stands and flagging

1048
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: tape and bright eyes. Dude, you will never even set

1049
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: up where I live, you know, to mean, because you

1050
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 3: walk into the woods and it's all over the place,

1051
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 3: you know, and so you can't really care much about

1052
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: what other hunters are doing, right because like you just

1053
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: never step foot into the into the woods, right. And

1054
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: I think that coming from a place that like that's

1055
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 3: kind of what the pressure is, Like, I think is

1056
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: a is a benefit to a degree because I'm not

1057
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: typically deterred when I see a truck in a parking

1058
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: lot or I see someone out in the woods. Like

1059
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: for example, the deer I killed last year in Kansas,

1060
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: I was glassing the deer that I killed the night before, right,

1061
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: and I was watching a guy walk about two hundred

1062
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: yards away from where I was watching the deer that

1063
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 3: I was wanting to kill, right, And some people would

1064
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: have been like, well, that's too close, like a deer

1065
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: that's blowing up, like he just walked through a bunch

1066
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 3: of stuff. Right, I was like, whatever, Like he's he's there.

1067
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: This deer may or may not really know that he's there.

1068
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 3: He's on a dough, Like he's probably more focused on

1069
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: the dough. He's gonna come out, you know, probably tomorrow

1070
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: night with this with this doe again, right, as long

1071
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: as like she doesn't get bumped, you know or boogered

1072
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: where they're petted. And so I went in the next

1073
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: afternoon at like three o'clock and I killed a boom

1074
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: and crocket deer on the ground at five point thirty,

1075
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And there was guy, there

1076
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: were guys all over that in trucks and stuff like that,

1077
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 3: and it was just one of those things where it's

1078
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 3: like I knew where this deer was, wasn't so concerned

1079
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: about what they were doing. I had a plan and

1080
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: I and I thought that I could get it done

1081
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 3: without them interfering, you know, And so I wasn't too

1082
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: broke up about other people hunting the hunting the piece necessarily.

1083
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 3: You know. Now if they walk through exactly where you're

1084
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 3: gonna be, it's a little bit of a different story, right.

1085
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: But it's just like there were trucks there every day,

1086
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But like I was, I

1087
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: think they actually helped me because I wanted a deer

1088
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: in a certain spot and that's where he ended up being.

1089
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: And I had seen that over the past year or

1090
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: two as well, right, And this was a big deer.

1091
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: So he was being pretty consistent, you know, like he

1092
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: wasn't going to change up unless someone made him change,

1093
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 3: you know. And and so I wasn't, you know, put

1094
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: off by the fact that there were other guys hunting

1095
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: the hunting the area. In fact, I saw two guys

1096
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: walk out of where I thought he was bedded with

1097
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: a dough in the eat like where he was typically

1098
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 3: betted in this CRP. The evening that I glassed him

1099
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: and I drove out to go back to my camp,

1100
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 3: I watched two guys walk out of where he's where

1101
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: he was betting with that dough, right, And so it's

1102
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 3: like he would say like, oh, man, that's all buggered up,

1103
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 3: But like I was like, ah, they didn't. They didn't

1104
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: bother him, you know. I was like, and I'm sure

1105
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: he's he and that dough are probably used to people

1106
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: walking around the area because they're doing it all the time, right,

1107
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 3: And as long as they didn't get bumped, I was like,

1108
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll change much of what they're gonna do.

1109
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 3: And sure enough, like it worked out the next day.

1110
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: I think that we have a very skewed view of

1111
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: the impact that we put on deer, Like I think,

1112
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: I think for sure more hunting pressure sucks, like well yeah,

1113
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: just generally, but the the reality out there is, man,

1114
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: you can bump into them, you can have people going

1115
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 2: all over small game hunters come in and you know

1116
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: how it is, like you how many times you've been

1117
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: sitting on your stand or sitting there glassing like you said,

1118
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: and you see somebody go through, burn through, burn dogs, whatever,

1119
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: and then an hour later there's deer there, you know,

1120
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: and or you bump one and you're like, I'm never

1121
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: going to see a deer here, snorted a million times

1122
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: and then they come right back through. Like I ran

1123
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: into this this year in Iowa where I killed my buck.

1124
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 2: I had a whole plan going down there. The last

1125
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 2: time I drew there was there wasn't hardly any hunting

1126
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: pressure there. This time there were freaking people everywhere. I

1127
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: mean it was. It was nuts. The first four spots

1128
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: I went to had trucks, and I was like, okay,

1129
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: like i gotta i gotta recalibrate my plan because I'm

1130
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: not I'm not working in it's not twenty twenty anymore.

1131
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. Something changed, and so I started looking

1132
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: at it and going, well, most of these guys probably

1133
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 2: aren't going in very deep. They're probably sitting obvious stuff

1134
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: like there's there's that you know, kind of first layer,

1135
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: you know, and down there the woods it's all nice

1136
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: deciduous force, it's easy to walk through. It all looks

1137
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: like it looks good. There's lots of deer, so there's

1138
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: tongues of sign. So I'm like, looking at, you know,

1139
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: on X again, I'm like, okay, I love river bottoms.

1140
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: I love those flats along rivers that have willows and

1141
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: just like that sawgrass and kind of like just that

1142
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: different level of habitat right. And I was like, the

1143
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: river that I'm hunting along is so low right now.

1144
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: I've never seen it like this, and I've turkey hunted

1145
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: and deer hunting down there a fair amount. So I'm like,

1146
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: there's probably better vegetation, like better nutritious vegetation for browsing

1147
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 2: in those spots than anywhere else. And so I'm like, okay,

1148
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna go figure that part out. And dude,

1149
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 2: it was like a ten minute walk, you know, and

1150
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: this is Iowa, of course, but there were there were

1151
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: a lot of people hunting down there, and you know,

1152
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: there's tracks along the people tracks along the river, and

1153
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: I can see a blind in this one spot. I'm like, okay,

1154
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: But you get in there and you're like, well, the

1155
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: deer been browsing like crazy, and here here's a good crossing. Here,

1156
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: here's a good crossing there. The cover is different. There's

1157
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: actually like vibrant green plants growing along the river. I'm like,

1158
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: this is probably just the next layer in. And you know,

1159
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 2: we were we had a bunch of deer around us.

1160
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: Decoyed went down the river and shot him and it

1161
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: was like all we all I had to do was

1162
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: sort of like forget about all the trucks, like forget that,

1163
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: you know, like this is not what I expected, and

1164
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,959
Speaker 2: just go in and find them and then you work them.

1165
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 2: And a lot of people just aren't you know. They

1166
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: bring They bring us sort of a set of rules

1167
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: to public land that just doesn't necessarily apply. You know,

1168
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: like if you if you knock down a door somewhere

1169
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: and walked in and you were gonna go sit, you

1170
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: could go sit a field corner and shoot a deer,

1171
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: right like, maybe probably not going to do that on

1172
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: public land. In a lot of places, like it's going

1173
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 2: to take a little bit. Like you mentioned about that

1174
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: big when you were after how there's no bed to

1175
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: food food to bed type of thing, Like you're not

1176
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: you know, the cornfield isn't over there and the river

1177
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: bottom isn't over there, Like it doesn't work that way.

1178
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: But you're like, you know, there's soft edges in the woods,

1179
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: and I'm starting to think about this. In fact, I

1180
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: just wrote a Foundation's episode about it, Like the connective

1181
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 2: tissue that the deer use, you know, like that that

1182
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 2: river bottom buck eye killed. There were three river bottom

1183
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: flats and the connective tissue was the shortest route between

1184
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: them to stay hidden and stay in those willows and

1185
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: shit like that and just not go into that wide

1186
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 2: open woods where more people were. And it's like it's

1187
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 2: a linear thing, right, like if they if they're over

1188
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: here and they want to get over there, why what

1189
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: are they going to use to get there? And that's

1190
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: soft edge, Like you're talking about those real soft edges

1191
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: in the woods, the big woods. They just use them.

1192
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 2: They use them for cover, they use them for brows,

1193
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: and they're just like one of those things that a

1194
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: lot of people would walk through and just never pick

1195
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: up on. But that's like, you know, you're hunting public land,

1196
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: like you're working a giant deer. What is what is like?

1197
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: What can you use to your advantage when you can't

1198
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: use those train traps and an obvious A to B

1199
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: type of food to bed thing or something and that

1200
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 2: that shit's so fun.

1201
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was That was probably my biggest learning curve

1202
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 3: of when I first started scouting in and then eventually

1203
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: hunting this place. And you know, I got to give

1204
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: props to my two buddies. I keep kind of referencing

1205
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: and I'm not mentioning them in name because I'm sure

1206
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: if they ever want their name mentioned, Like I've literally

1207
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 3: like the one won't even come on my podcast, Like

1208
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: he's like, I'm not coming on. So but because you know,

1209
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: when I first started up there, the one, my one buddy,

1210
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 3: you know, I don't remember how we met exactly, but

1211
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: you know, he was like, hey, you know, let's go

1212
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 3: walk the woods or whatever. And just because I was

1213
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: not sure whenever I was seeing sign if it was

1214
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 3: like if that sign was good or not for that

1215
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 3: particular area, right because I wasn't seeing a lot of

1216
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: it and I wasn't seeing big sign right, and so

1217
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 3: I just needed some context. And so we walked the

1218
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 3: woods a little bit and hung some trail cameras and

1219
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and like, and I was showing him like, hey,

1220
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 3: this is the type of stuff. I'm fine. He's like, no,

1221
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 3: that's good, and I was like, okay, cool. And then

1222
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 3: I ended up meeting my other buddy. Those two were friends.

1223
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 3: So that's how I met the other the other guy,

1224
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 3: and then he and I would walk the woods and

1225
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 3: stuff together, and they're both really really good hunters, and

1226
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 3: so I was able to kind of they expedited my

1227
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 3: learning curve in the area by kind of helping me

1228
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 3: understand like what good sign is for that area, what

1229
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 3: deer like to use in that area, how they kind

1230
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: of use the soft edges and stuff like that a

1231
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 3: little bit, you know, more effectively, where you're typically going

1232
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: to find like sign typically right, or where you're going

1233
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: to find pockets of deer, and so a place that

1234
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 3: would have taken me probably five years to start to

1235
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 3: learn to actually be able to hunt effectively, like you know,

1236
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: with their help, it's like I was able to kind

1237
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: of figure out what I needed to know within like

1238
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: three years, you know, which was you know, props to

1239
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: them for being cool and you know and helping me out.

1240
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 3: But you're right, it's like, you know, it's figuring all

1241
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 3: that little stuff out was was not just helpful for

1242
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: that area, but it's also changes how I look at other,

1243
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 3: like other landscapes as well. Right, So, whether I'm in

1244
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: Kansas or whatever, like you start to kind of you

1245
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 3: and I talk about this all the time. You start

1246
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 3: to create these like analogs between different places right where

1247
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 3: it's like I've never been here before and I've never

1248
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 3: hunted this type of terrain, but man, it feels a

1249
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: lot like this place I was in in Kansas or

1250
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: this place I was in.

1251
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: Missouri or whatever.

1252
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: Right Like this creek crossing is not in Missouri, but

1253
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 3: it's NPA. But man, it feels a lot like that

1254
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: one setup that I had that was like a drainage

1255
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 3: that went into lake to this lake, you know, And

1256
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 3: so it's it's stuff like that that you start to

1257
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: kind of start to kind of pick up on and

1258
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: then you know ultimately what happened this you know, for

1259
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 3: me this year is like you know, I've already kind

1260
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: of started looking at the map and going like what

1261
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 3: did I what did this deer teach me? You know

1262
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: that I can use to look at this landscape a

1263
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: little bit differently and start to like find other areas

1264
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 3: I want to explore, Right. And so I've already kind

1265
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 3: of started going through the map and kind of like

1266
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 3: dropping pins in areas that aren't even necessarily close to

1267
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: that particular area. Right. It's like, what are the things

1268
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 3: that this place had that allowed this deer, you know

1269
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: in and a couple others to reach a certain maturity

1270
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: or a certain caliber, And where can I find that

1271
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 3: in some of these other pockets? Right? And then the

1272
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 3: second part of that is is like, you know, where

1273
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 3: can I use like some interesting access to find these? Right?

1274
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: And so like I'm starting to like double down on

1275
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: it a little bit because I'm like, this is a place.

1276
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: You know. You know, when you find certain places or

1277
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: certain types of setups, you know, there's a reason why.

1278
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: You know, if you're in any state that doesn't grow

1279
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: giants consistently, right, if you're finding them somewhere, right, there's

1280
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: a reason why.

1281
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: Right.

1282
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 3: It's just like when you're trying to hunt a deer,

1283
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: it's like you don't you don't take things at face value,

1284
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: ask like well, why did he do this? Why did

1285
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: he go here? Why why was he here on this date?

1286
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: And so.

1287
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 3: And so you know what I'm starting to do now

1288
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 3: is ask like, well, why was why was he able

1289
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 3: to grow so old in that particular area? Right? Like

1290
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: what did it have that let him do that? Right?

1291
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 3: And then where else can I where else do I

1292
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 3: see that like similarities? Right? And like let me go

1293
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 3: explore those, because chances are you know, when you're talking

1294
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: about big woods like that, you know there's I mean,

1295
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 3: there's deer in this in this in this area that

1296
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: I probably have never seen a person before, right, Like

1297
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: I feel pretty confident in saying that, you know. And

1298
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: so with that, it's like then they they have the

1299
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 3: opportunity to get age on them, right, And so you know,

1300
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 3: there's there's got to be more like him somewhere. You

1301
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 3: just have to, you know, put the work into to

1302
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 3: try to find them, right, And I'm not hung up

1303
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 3: on trophy hunting necessarily, but boy, it's fun to chase

1304
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 3: them like that because you know, you just they give

1305
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: you a different lens into their world than you know,

1306
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 3: other than younger deers. Just don't just don't give you, right,

1307
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: they just don't make the mistakes, they don't leave as

1308
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: much sign They make you work for everything, you know,

1309
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: and it's just a different it's just a different experience.

1310
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 3: And and that to me is like the fun part, right,

1311
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 3: Like is just that experience. So like, give me like

1312
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty inch like seven year old deer.

1313
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 3: It's like I'd love to chase that deer, you know

1314
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like because that's just he's been around

1315
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 3: the block, man, Like he's not gonna You're not gonna

1316
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 3: kill him sitting on the inside corner of like foots.

1317
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 3: It's just not gonna happen, you know what I mean.

1318
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: Like you're gonna have to kill him in this funky

1319
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: little setup somewhere that like you wouldn't even think that

1320
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: a deer would you know, walk through that.

1321
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: Area or whatever the case is.

1322
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 5: You know.

1323
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's that's what I was gonna say,

1324
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, listening to you, I am not a one

1325
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: buck hunter generally, but every once in a while I

1326
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: find one that makes me a one one buck hunter quickly.

1327
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1328
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: And the one thing about you know, the times that

1329
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: I've done it, it makes me think about deer in

1330
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: such a different way than I usually do. I had

1331
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: this buck in southeastern Minnesota on this farm, you know,

1332
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: quite a few years ago that was probably pushing booner,

1333
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 2: really cool deer, high and tight, just cool lass buck.

1334
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: And that dude was spending a lot of time in

1335
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: a valley on this one property, and he he taught

1336
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: me so much about like like the real nocturnal nature

1337
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: of some of these deer, but also just thinking about

1338
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: individual trails. I mean there was a trail that he

1339
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: took back to go to bed, very consistent, and it

1340
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: was like it bothered me so much because I knew

1341
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: the trail, I knew where to set up, and I

1342
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: knew that he wasn't coming through there in daylight. And

1343
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: it just like instead of thinking about that farm like

1344
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: I usually do, where I'm like where can I run

1345
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: into a decent book, Like I just want a good one,

1346
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: Like I don't you know, I said this part, this

1347
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: part's a big farm. I was like obsessed with that

1348
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: stupid ass valley, scouting it, looking for shann Antler's in it,

1349
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 2: running trail cameras on different trails leading out, and it

1350
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: was like it kind of occurred to me and I

1351
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: never killed that deer, by the way, but it occurred

1352
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 2: to me, like, I'm learning more about this this particular

1353
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 2: area in one season that I have in twenty years

1354
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: of hunting there because this deer likes to use it.

1355
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 2: And that was it, you know, And you you mentioned

1356
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: how we talk a lot about how, you know, figuring

1357
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: out you know, why, why does why did that buck

1358
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to get to two hundred inches out there?

1359
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: How did he get that age on him? What? Where

1360
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 2: was his where were his sanctuaries? Like what was his

1361
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: like hideout strategy? How did he do it? When you

1362
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 2: when you start figuring that stuff out and taking it

1363
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: on the road with you or taking it to another place,

1364
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: or using that on another giant you find three years

1365
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: down the road, it's so beneficial. And you you mentioned that,

1366
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: and you said something way earlier about figuring out that

1367
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: this this deer had a very distinctive rub pattern, and

1368
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: it reminded me. So I killed a buck a long

1369
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: time ago, probably eight B nine something like that. I

1370
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: had bow hunt this deer in north central Minnesota. He's

1371
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: like one hundred and thirty inch nine pointer, but he

1372
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: was the biggest deer on this place. I had had

1373
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: eighty acres to hunt, and he was living in a

1374
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: cattail slough, and I'll tell you what, that son of

1375
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 2: a bitch just had that little sanctuary figure. He was

1376
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: unapproachable most of the time, and you'd see him in there,

1377
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, like I glassed him in the summer, and

1378
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: I kept finding these tracks. These the biggest tracks I

1379
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: found on the farm had this like wonky kind of

1380
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: toe shape where it was like a very distinct and

1381
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: I remember like, like, that's got to be that deer,

1382
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: Like there's there's probably not another deer here that's like

1383
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: of that maturity level. And I ended up killing that

1384
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: buck with a rifle, like totally just scummed into him,

1385
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: bought a rifle tag that I'd never bought before, walked

1386
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: into that cattail sou like six days in the deer season,

1387
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: and he followed a dough through there, and I thumped

1388
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 2: him and it was stupid, but that deer had that

1389
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: distinctive hoof pattern, so it was him. And so even

1390
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 2: just like I think about that all the time now

1391
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 2: because I'm hunting cat taill slews a lot and where

1392
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 2: I live is very sandy, so tracks are a big deal,

1393
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 2: like we just you know, like I use tracks a lot,

1394
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, I think back to that deer

1395
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 2: in that season often, and it's not you know, it's

1396
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: not like a huge buck. It wasn't like a particularly

1397
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: special thing. But the journey that that deer took me

1398
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: on is like still there's still payoffs to this day

1399
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 2: from it. And that's I mean it's like I kind

1400
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: of shit on mark and is like name and bucks

1401
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 2: and stuff like that sometimes, but really, this this one

1402
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 2: buck thing, well I should hun him for a lot

1403
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: of reasons most justified it, but that that style of

1404
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: just going that's the one and I'm going to figure

1405
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 2: it out. That brings you to a different place as

1406
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: a deer hunter, and it's definitely can be like very beneficial.

1407
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. And that was that was the biggest

1408
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 3: thing for me, was you know, just how much more

1409
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 3: I had to pay attention to detail on this hunt,

1410
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, hunting this particular deer, and how much more

1411
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 3: keyed into detail I was than on other hunts, right,

1412
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 3: for for whatever reason, well for an obvious reason, right,

1413
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 3: And it made me kind of think, like, man, like

1414
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 3: you should be keyed in like this all the time.

1415
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: Like when you're hunting, you know, and a lot of

1416
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 3: times I'm not. You know, It's like I'm just kind

1417
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 3: of like, hey, there's some rubs.

1418
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 6: You know.

1419
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 3: It's like in oh, cool, well there are some scrapes,

1420
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 3: and why are they there?

1421
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 7: All?

1422
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 3: Right? Cool? You know it's set up here, But it's not.

1423
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 3: It's because I'm not hunting a specific deer and trying

1424
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 3: to figure out what this deer is going to do.

1425
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out what some deer will do, right,

1426
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: And it becomes different if you're looking for a specific one,

1427
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 3: because it's just like when you think about sociology versus psychology, right,

1428
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 3: Sociology is the study of groups, right, and psychology is

1429
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 3: the study of the individual, right, And hunting a specific

1430
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 3: deer is like taking a psychology course and not a

1431
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 3: sociology course. Right. It's like I'm trying to understand one, right,

1432
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 3: not I don't care how the group, because that one,

1433
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: especially if they got age on him, like they don't

1434
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 3: act like the other deers, especially whenever they get to

1435
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 3: that you know, older age class, right, like they just

1436
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,439
Speaker 3: you know, this dear, particularly like you would see some

1437
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 3: like trail camera intel on him, where he was with

1438
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: other deer, I can think of like a couple, but like,

1439
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 3: by and large, most of the stuff I had of

1440
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: him like he was by himself, Like he wasn't very

1441
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 3: often with with other deer, even in the summer, you know,

1442
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 3: Like I remember, I can think of like maybe two

1443
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 3: years ago, like maybe a couple of trail camera pictures

1444
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 3: that we got to him on this one scrape where

1445
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 3: he was with another buck, but I don't it wasn't

1446
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 3: more than like a handful of pictures, right, it might

1447
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 3: even been the same from the same day, like just

1448
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 3: like the rapid burst or whatever. And then this year

1449
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: in last year, me personally, like on the cameras that

1450
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 3: I was running, like, I don't have him on camera

1451
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 3: with any deer ever, you know. And so which would

1452
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 3: make sense because when he was like we got you know,

1453
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 3: he was young. He was a younger deer, right, and

1454
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 3: so maybe a little bit more amiable to be around,

1455
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: or maybe a little bit more interested in being around

1456
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 3: other deer or whatever. But it seemed like now as

1457
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 3: he got older, like he had no interest in being

1458
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 3: around other deer no matter what time of year it was,

1459
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 3: you know. He really kind of became a recluse, and

1460
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 3: like that was kind of telling, right, not just for him,

1461
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 3: but like how I think about whenever I'm trying to

1462
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 3: find another good deer or older deer. And then there

1463
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 3: was like you, I won't mention what they were, but

1464
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 3: there were two like habitat types that I found in

1465
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 3: proximity to one another that I felt like was the

1466
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 3: thing right for why he was spending time in an area.

1467
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 3: And I was talking to another buddy of mine who

1468
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 3: hunts a lot of big woods, and he was on

1469
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 3: a hammer this year and I think he missed like

1470
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty inch deer public land in Pennsylvania,

1471
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 3: and I was talking to him about it, and he knew.

1472
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 3: I sent him a picture of like a scrape and

1473
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: a rub or whatever, and where I was at. He's like,

1474
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 3: oh man, he's like I love that area. He's like

1475
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 3: that's he's like that habitat rate there. He was like it,

1476
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 3: like he's like, you'd be surprised how many how often

1477
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 3: I find the biggest deer in those in those areas, right,

1478
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 3: And so that was kind of like when the light

1479
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 3: bulb went off, I was like, oh, wait a minute, okay.

1480
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 3: I was like it's this piece here that's next to

1481
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 3: this piece, and it makes a lot of sense why

1482
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 3: he's here now. And so when I say I start

1483
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 3: to look for those things now, it's like if I

1484
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 3: can find a place where those two types of habitat

1485
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 3: are adjacent to one another, It's like that to me

1486
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 3: is like where where like the light bulb starts to

1487
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 3: go off right, you know, And that's the type of

1488
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 3: Those are the types of lessons that you take with

1489
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 3: you, you know, as far as cutting tracks, like I tried,

1490
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 3: like this area a lot of grass, leaf cover, hard soil,

1491
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 3: like hard ground, or you're in a swamp with like

1492
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 3: mud and you know, uh heavy, you know, dense foliage

1493
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 3: or whatever that you're not going to see a track.

1494
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 3: But I did cut a good track on like the

1495
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 3: next to last day that I was hunting, and I

1496
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 3: know that wasn't this deer. And oddly enough, it was

1497
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 3: like by where I parked my truck. I didn't see

1498
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:05,560
Speaker 3: it when I pulled in in the morning and I

1499
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 3: was getting ready, I was coming out at night and

1500
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 3: had my head lamps down and opened up my back

1501
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 3: door and I was like, holy shit, man, that's a

1502
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 3: big track, and got down and looked at it was

1503
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 3: like the size of my hand, you know, And so

1504
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, it wasn't in the right

1505
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: area for it to be him. But I was like, okay.

1506
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 3: And the crazy thing was, is I think it's a

1507
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 3: younger deer. It was on hard ground too, so it

1508
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 3: wasn't like there was splay or anything like that, you

1509
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But the his hooves were still

1510
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 3: kind of pointy, you know what I mean, So where

1511
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 3: it's like it's a big track, but it was still

1512
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 3: kind of a younger deer because they weren't starting to

1513
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 3: round quite yet, you know. So you know, maybe next

1514
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 3: year for that.

1515
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: So you got you got a text with a picture

1516
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 2: of this giant dead and you don't know how he died.

1517
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 3: No, no, you know, it's the area he was in.

1518
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 3: You know, it could have been a hunter that shot

1519
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 3: him and like just never found him. Possibly. You know

1520
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 3: the picture that I saw, like there wasn't any entry

1521
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 3: or exit wounds and I could see back to like

1522
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 3: midway through his ribs or whatever, and so it doesn't

1523
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 3: look like you was shot unless it was like a

1524
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 3: really bad shot, like you know, guts type of situation.

1525
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 3: And the coyotes had got to him, and I could

1526
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 3: only see like basically from like the back of his

1527
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 3: ribs ounce I couldn't see like his his his hind

1528
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 3: quarters or his his his guts, or he could have

1529
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 3: got hit on the road, you know. So that's you

1530
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, I don't know if we ever

1531
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 3: ever figured it out, you know, And it doesn't really matter,

1532
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 3: you know, to me, honestly, it's like he's not there

1533
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 3: to he's not there to hunt anymore, you know, which

1534
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 3: is a bummer, But you know, you just hate to

1535
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 3: see you know, I hope I hope fingers crossed that

1536
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 3: a hunter shot him and that they they get to

1537
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 3: claim him, you know, like that's that's what my hope is,

1538
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 3: just because I hate to see an animal like that,

1539
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 3: you know, get hit on the freaking road and like

1540
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 3: end up in the game commission, you know, you get

1541
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 3: scrapped or whatever. You know.

1542
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, so you're you're moving on from this. Yeah,

1543
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter how he was killed, because now

1544
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: he's just dead. But it's yeah, you know, I mean,

1545
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 2: it sucks that it played out that way, but it's

1546
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,480
Speaker 2: also just like such a gift to have that opportunity

1547
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 2: for a season. I mean, I know when I talked

1548
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 2: to you the other night, dude, you were burned, and

1549
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 2: this was before you knew he was dead and you

1550
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: were you were kind of running on e But that's

1551
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 2: what that kind of thing is going to do to you.

1552
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, you you're not going to get

1553
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 2: that chance. That's just not going to happen very often.

1554
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:43,560
Speaker 2: It's incredible.

1555
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think in total, I think

1556
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 3: from October fifth till I think the last day I

1557
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 3: hunted was like the seventeenth or something like that. I

1558
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: think was the last day that I hunted. I ended

1559
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 3: up hunting him twenty six days, and I ended up

1560
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 3: sleeping in my truck or in my trailer, like you know,

1561
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 3: cause there were days where I didn't hunt, or it

1562
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: was a Sunday that I didn't hunt, or it was

1563
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 3: the day where it's like, well, the first day I

1564
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 3: was gonna hunt because the wind was right and the

1565
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 3: weather was right, but then it got warm, I wouldn't

1566
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 3: hunt the next day and it's gonna hut the day after.

1567
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 3: So there was like some of that where I was

1568
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 3: just spending time there. So it's like one hunted him

1569
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 3: twenty six days and you know, I think I slept

1570
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 3: in my truck or my trailer like thirty thirty couple

1571
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 3: days or something like that overall within like that month

1572
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 3: and a half time period, so about half the days

1573
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 3: that you could possibly hunt him, like I hunted him essentially,

1574
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 3: you know. You know, and my wife, you know, got

1575
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 3: to love her man because she was like never said

1576
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 3: like when are you coming home or what are you doing?

1577
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 3: Like there was another editing of that. She was always

1578
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 3: like when I get back, She's like when you going

1579
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 3: back up? And I'm like, uh. I would literally come

1580
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 3: home on like a Sunday, go to jiu jitsu train

1581
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 3: and be like, yeah, I'm leaving Tuesday after jiu jitsu,

1582
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, and I'm gonna be

1583
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 3: there Tuesday, Wenesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday next week, you know.

1584
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 3: And so there was a lot of that, you know,

1585
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 3: but I will say I will say this because you know,

1586
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 3: I think we get wrapped and I certainly did, like

1587
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 3: I got wrapped up into this, and there were a

1588
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 3: few moments where I, you know, I try to remind

1589
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 3: myself like when the grind's happening, and like you're just

1590
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 3: not feeling it right, and you just you want to

1591
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 3: be anywhere but in the woods that at that moment,

1592
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, I try to just remind myself to

1593
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 3: be and I kept saying this to myself, like be

1594
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 3: where your feet are, Like be where your feet are.

1595
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 3: Don't wish the time away, don't wish you were somewhere else.

1596
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 3: You know, there is no place better to be in

1597
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 3: the world than where you're at right now, right, just

1598
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 3: like in general, right because it's really easy, especially when

1599
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 3: things aren't going your way or you're you know, you're

1600
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 3: not feeling like you're on him or whatever the case is,

1601
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 3: where you can really start to kind of get down.

1602
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 3: And there was an older fellow that I met. He's

1603
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 3: in his sixties, he's retired, and when I be's sleeping

1604
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 3: in my truck, he just so happened to like the

1605
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 3: park and sleep at the same spot because you can

1606
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 3: really see the stars in this area. And he's retired,

1607
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 3: and so he has a little set up in the

1608
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 3: back of his truck that he sleeps in. And so

1609
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 3: the first night, you know, because this all started in August,

1610
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 3: because there was an area I thought I could kill

1611
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 3: him in and and uh, I needed to see what

1612
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 3: the thermals were gonna do, and I got the right

1613
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 3: wind that I would want, would I would hunt that

1614
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 3: area on And so I went up in August before

1615
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 3: I left to go Elk County in and Idaho, slept

1616
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 3: in the bed of my truck, got up at like,

1617
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 3: you know, five o'clock in the morning, and hiked in

1618
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 3: so I could get into that tree. Literally climbed into

1619
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 3: the tree with my saddle, like got set up like

1620
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 3: I was gonna hunt, you know, obviously no bo or anything,

1621
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 3: and set up and just sat there and waited for

1622
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:40,799
Speaker 3: the sun to come up to see what the thermal

1623
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 3: was going to do when the sun came up, based

1624
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 3: on that prevailing wind that I was getting that day, right,

1625
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 3: So that's kind of how obsessed I was. Like I

1626
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 3: was there in the summer, like sleeping in my truck,

1627
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 3: like getting into setups like to check thermals and stuff.

1628
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 3: And he happened to be there that night when I

1629
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 3: pulled in, and I'm like, man, who the hell is

1630
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 3: in this parking parking spot? You know, I mean, like

1631
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 3: it's like, is this guy knew about this big deer?

1632
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 3: And like I'm already battling like some guy like in August,

1633
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 3: you know, and uh, older guy he hunted the area

1634
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 3: a lot, told him what I was up to, and

1635
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 3: so he was like, you know, he hunts that general area.

1636
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 3: And he was like, Hey, I'm going to stay out

1637
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 3: of this area if you're if you're on something good,

1638
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to booker you up. He's like, I'm not,

1639
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hunt this, I'm gonna go over this other area.

1640
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 3: We exchanged numbers and stuff, and he would text me

1641
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 3: every so often, and I went up a couple of

1642
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 3: different weekends to you know, to scout and do stuff

1643
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 3: and uh, and he was there almost every time. Right.

1644
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 3: He was doing some drywall work for you know, he's retired,

1645
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 3: but he was doing some like freelance drywall work for

1646
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 3: like a buddy of his that he knew in that area.

1647
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 3: And he would just go there and sleep in the evenings,

1648
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 3: right because he just like the stars, and he likes

1649
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 3: to camp, and he loves the fish. He's a woodsman,

1650
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 3: you know, and he just thought it was the coolest

1651
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 3: thing that I was trying to kill this particular deer.

1652
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 3: And so we really hit it off and he let

1653
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 3: me know, get we out on the topic of like

1654
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 3: family or something like that, and uh, on the topic

1655
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 3: of wives or whatever the case is, you know, and

1656
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 3: maybe he was like, here, you spend a lot of

1657
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 3: time up here, and I was like, yeah. I was like, well,

1658
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I said something about like, you know,

1659
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 3: you know, what's your wife thinking you camping out here

1660
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 3: or whatever the case is, you know what I mean,

1661
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 3: like just talking some snack. And he let me know

1662
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 3: that his wife of like whatever it was like forty

1663
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 3: years had passed away, right, which was was you know,

1664
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 3: obviously sad, he's widowed, and so we were kind of

1665
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 3: talking about it. Let Be asked me how long I've

1666
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 3: been married, and I told him, you know, you know

1667
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 3: a little over twenty years now. And and I just

1668
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 3: asked him, hey, you know, cause he's a happy, go

1669
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 3: lucky guy man, you know, he had he's had a

1670
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 3: good life. And I was like, what's the key to

1671
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 3: that kind of marriage where it's like you get to

1672
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 3: do all this outdoor stuff and you know, and because

1673
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 3: he he's always done that. And he said, just make

1674
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 3: sure that you always give more than you take, was

1675
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 3: what he told me, right, And so I remember I

1676
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 3: was sitting in the tree on the day before I

1677
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 3: came home and I was just thinking to myself, like

1678
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 3: reminding myself to be where my feet are. And I

1679
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 3: thought to myself back to that conversation, and I asked myself,

1680
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 3: have I have I given more than I've taken to

1681
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 3: this point And the answer was was no. And I

1682
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 3: was like, I've taken my fair share of this false

1683
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 3: time for me to go home. And so I just

1684
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 3: kind of made the decision and that was gonna be

1685
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 3: the last day I was going to hunt. And then

1686
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 3: subsequently the next day I found out that deer got killed,

1687
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 3: and it was his words of wisdom that kind of

1688
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 3: like was like, because I was struggling, man, I was like,

1689
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to go home. I was getting prepared

1690
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 3: to like work and hunt from the trailer for like

1691
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 3: the next week, you know what I mean, like this

1692
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 3: week actually, and and I was just thinking about him

1693
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 3: and what he told me, the advice he gave me,

1694
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 3: and I was like, nope, I've taken my fair share.

1695
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 3: I was like, it's time for me to go home

1696
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 3: and be where my feet are. My feet should be there.

1697
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 3: And so, you know, we get crazy on big deer,

1698
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 3: you know, and love chasing them, but at the end

1699
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 3: of the day, you know, they don't matter. And that

1700
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 3: was kind of you know, my one buddy or you know,

1701
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 3: mutual friend of ours, Chad, you know, text me about it.

1702
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 3: I said, you know that as like it sucks, you know,

1703
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: the deer got killed. I was like, but you know,

1704
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 3: in the grand scheme of things, that di didn't matter

1705
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 3: a whole lot. You know, It's like I learned a lot.

1706
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 3: I had a great time chasing him, and I was like,

1707
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 3: the man, I'm a fortunate guy with the life that

1708
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 3: I have, you know, I was like, and I need

1709
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 3: to remember that, you know, above all else and everything

1710
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 3: else will work itself out.

1711
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 2: Dude. That's so I'm so glad you said that, because

1712
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 2: it's so true that. I mean, that deer is cool

1713
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: as hell, right, and that's just like a that's like

1714
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 2: a special thing. But the thing that's really cool about

1715
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 2: it is just the challenge, like just just finding that challenge,

1716
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: trying to try to level up to it, getting as

1717
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 2: close as you can, putting in that work, doing your thing,

1718
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 2: seeing what it's all about. And then okay, well now

1719
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 2: he's dead, Like what's next, Like, wait, how are you

1720
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 2: going to keep yourself going? As a person, you know,

1721
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: and we we joked about this a little bit, but

1722
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta ask this before you wrap this up.

1723
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 2: Are you going to take that stick bow out and

1724
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 2: go stick a forky or something now, just to get

1725
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 2: like a palette cleanser out. I think you should.

1726
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's laying right back there. I've been shooting at

1727
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 3: the past couple of days because, uh, you know, I've

1728
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 3: basically was going to plan to hunt with it all year,

1729
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 3: was my plan, and then this dear showed up and

1730
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I'm not going to take a

1731
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 3: risk of, like, you know, having an encounter with this deer,

1732
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 3: and it'd be the first year I'm using a stick

1733
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 3: bow and screw it up. And so I put it

1734
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 3: on the back burner and then picked it back up,

1735
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 3: and uh, yeah, I'm gonna take that out. I'm gonna

1736
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 3: go out Saturday to some spots, a spot locally, you know,

1737
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 3: where I know there's some deer, and we'll see what

1738
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 3: comes through. I haven't checked a single trail camera locally,

1739
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 3: so I have no clue what's happening around me. So

1740
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 3: it's gonna literally just be you know, probably kayaking into

1741
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 3: a spot that I like actually where I killed my

1742
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 3: buck last year, and and kayak into there and take

1743
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 3: the stick bow along and see if we can make

1744
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 3: some magic happen. And and that's going to be you know,

1745
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 3: that's probably what's gonna what's gonna transpire. There's one other

1746
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 3: deer that I'm kind of interested in.

1747
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 8: He uh he.

1748
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 3: He has a kind of time frame. He's a very

1749
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 3: kind of he's a late season deer, I guess I

1750
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 3: should say. And so we'll probably make a run at

1751
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 3: him if I don't kill anything in the next like

1752
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 3: two weeks here at home. But yeah, that's kind of

1753
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 3: the that's the plan. We're just gonna have fun now.

1754
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 3: You know the stress, the stress is over, you know

1755
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's like, you know, it's you have

1756
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 3: an experience like that, and you know he's not there,

1757
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 3: and so the pressure is all kind of off at

1758
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 3: this point. It's like everything's gravy, you know. So there's

1759
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 3: no you know, if I get deer walks in and

1760
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 3: I got the stick bow in my hand, I get

1761
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 3: fired up. You know, I'm gonna let one rip. You know.

1762
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 3: That's the that's the game plan.

1763
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: Dude, I love it, buddy. Truth from the Stand Podcast

1764
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 2: Where do people find you out there?

1765
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 3: Clinton the dot com. Truth from Stand dot Com is

1766
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 3: the website, all the stuff's on their YouTube channels, Truth

1767
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 3: from the Stand, Instagram, you know, Apple Spot, all the

1768
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 3: normal places where you can find uh find content. You

1769
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 3: can find my nonsense there too.

1770
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 2: Lots of lots of great guests on there. You do

1771
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 2: do an awesome job with that podcast. I've been on

1772
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 2: there a bunch of times. Sorry he didn't get that,

1773
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: dear buddy, but it sounds like it still worked out

1774
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 2: pretty well for you. Thank you so much for coming on, man.

1775
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,520
Speaker 2: I love chatting with you.

1776
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 3: You too, buddy. I appreciate you having me and hope

1777
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 3: Mark's feeling better.

1778
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 2: That's it for this week, folks. Make sure to tune

1779
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 2: in every week for more whitetail goodness. I'm your guest host,

1780
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 2: Tony Peterson and this has been a Wired to Hunt

1781
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,280
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1782
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,520
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1783
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1788
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1789
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1793
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1794
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1795
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Speaker 2: dot com and as always, thank you so much for listening.

1796
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 8: It's that time of the year again. I'm back.

1797
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,759
Speaker 6: Marcus Kenyon. How are you your son of a gadwall?

1798
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 6: You look terrible. I'm just kidding her, am I I'm sorry.

1799
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 6: I'm late. I crashed my recumbent bicycle into the side

1800
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 6: of a quiz nose and I know what you're thinking.

1801
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 6: I am as sober as a newborn blue crab. I

1802
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 6: swear to you, this is just kombucha. I'm watching the

1803
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 6: gut health. You gotta do it as you get older.

1804
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 6: And also I'm wearing this ankle bracelet that makes a

1805
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 6: beep beep sound if I have a drop of the stuff. Also,

1806
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 6: alerts the authorities, who in turn alert my parole officer.

1807
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 6: So there'll be none of that in the studio today,

1808
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 6: I promise you.

1809
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 8: Let's get go.

1810
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 6: Oh you're queuing it up already.

1811
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 8: Okay. I thought we've learned.

1812
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 6: A lesson this year, but I guess not.

1813
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 8: Here we go.

1814
01:22:53,360 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 5: I love those dagy b wat, those beachy, big big

1815
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 5: white tails. I love those beachy big dot hhat e

1816
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 5: e tails. I love those beachy big white.

1817
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 6: Tails, big white tails, big white tails.

1818
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 8: Big white tails are great? Hold what fun it is

1819
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 8: to sit in the freezing cold tree all day?

1820
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 6: Big white tails, big white tails, big white tails are great?

1821
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 2: Hold?

1822
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 6: What fun it is to sit in the freezing cold

1823
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 6: tree all day? Dashing through the woods for the morning

1824
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 6: light turns great across the fields and draws, creep in

1825
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 6: all the way, climb into the tree.

1826
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 8: Big bucks are on the way. What fun is to

1827
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 8: sit and wait for my gosh don deer all day?

1828
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 5: Oh?

1829
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 8: Big, I'm sorry?

1830
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 2: What is this?

1831
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 8: Pisocato strings? Who do you think I am? And you

1832
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 8: get this out here? I don't want to hear it.

1833
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 6: Thank you, Big white tails, big white tails, big white

1834
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 6: tails are great? Hold? Fun it is to sit in

1835
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 6: the freezing cold tree all day. I hope sand dreams

1836
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 6: are high the rut. He's finally here. Mark said, it's

1837
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 6: the most wonderful time to kill o whitetail deer bingch

1838
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 6: points sand pettings where you'll find me hanging twenty feet

1839
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 6: in a tree, grunt tubes my bow inspector Cambo, it's

1840
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 6: really Camby be.

1841
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 8: He or two ago.

1842
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:50,799
Speaker 6: I thought that this was fun, but now I'm frozen

1843
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 6: to my seat and the good times they are gone.

1844
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 6: I've ate up all my snacks, my hands and toes

1845
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 6: unnumb and we're gonna climbed down from my stand.

1846
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 8: That son of a bud decided to come on those.

1847
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 2: Pie g b wat takes. Those you b g b

1848
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:14,799
Speaker 2: wat takes.

1849
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 6: I love those be and g bigup y eight shot

1850
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 6: gi eat jail. I don't know why this is happening,

1851
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 6: I swear to God, Oh officer, what seems to be

1852
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 6: the problem here?

1853
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 3: Oh?

1854
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 2: This?

1855
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 6: I don't know why this is happening. It must be

1856
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,799
Speaker 6: a malfunction, you know. Sometimes it happens when the batteries

1857
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 6: run low.

1858
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 8: You don't know. You don't need to smell that, that's

1859
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 8: just kombucha. I okay, yes, you've got me.

1860
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 6: It's ever clear and pacific COOLi Caprice son. I am

1861
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 6: so so sorry. I don't know why my life has

1862
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 6: brought me here. Mark Marcus, I'm so sorry. Enjoy the

1863
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 6: rut or whatever.

1864
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 2: Good luck.

1865
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 6: Boys, Good to see you, Hayden. It's been a while. Hey, sorry,

1866
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 6: I'm late. I crashed my pontiacain take into a light

1867
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 6: pole and had to walk the rest of the way.

1868
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 8: But I'm here now. That's what matters.

1869
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 6: Give you a glass of Scotch, please, Hayden. Just two

1870
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,839
Speaker 6: rocks in there. I don't my guys, we're starting already.

1871
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 6: This is happening.

1872
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 8: Okay, just give me the give me the glass, thank you.

1873
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go.

1874
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,520
Speaker 8: It's the most wonderful time.

1875
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 6: To kill deer. With the run now just starting and

1876
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 6: dashing and dotting and veins cutting clean.

1877
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 8: It's the most wonderful time.

1878
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 6: To kill deer.

1879
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 8: There's far too much ice in this glass.

1880
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 6: It's the half happy season of all. There's gotta be

1881
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 6: at least twelve cues with grunting and bleeding and cold

1882
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 6: fronts and sleeting.

1883
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 8: The last weeks of fun.

1884
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 6: It's the half happy seedssin of home.

1885
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 7: There'll be pictures for posting and bragging and boasting and

1886
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 7: rug beds with big Bucks and toe. There'll be narrow

1887
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 7: miss stories and tales of your glories of booner bucks

1888
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 7: missed with our bulls. It's the most wonderful time to

1889
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 7: kill deer, not just one baby two. There will be

1890
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 7: no dose of blowing and looming knocks glowing and blood

1891
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 7: trails so clean.

1892
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 8: It's the most wonderful time to kill de Excuse me,

1893
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 8: Can I have a napkin?

1894
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 6: Please?

1895
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 8: I just spilled some scotch on my loafers. I can't

1896
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 8: have dirty loafers in the studio. Thank you tailgate beers

1897
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,560
Speaker 8: for drinking, and Big Bucks is slinking.

1898
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 6: And chasing and sent jacking does They'll be fighting.

1899
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 8: And scraping and no more escaping and arrow shot true

1900
01:27:53,040 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 8: hitting key change. But no one told me that it's

1901
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 8: the most wonderful time to kill deer. I was very

1902
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 8: unprepared for this.

1903
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 6: There will be much morning sitting in cold fronts, are

1904
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 6: hitting the dawn, Kristen clean. It's the most wonderful time, Oh,

1905
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:24,520
Speaker 6: the most wonderful time, Yes, the most swonderful time.

1906
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 8: To kill dear. There's too much ice in the glass rocks,