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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noa.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined with our guest superproducer

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Speaker 3: Max the Free Train Williams. Most importantly, you are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: We're at the beginning of birthday month, as we call

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Speaker 3: it here on this show, and for anybody with an

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Speaker 3: August birthday, we wish you well and grand adventure. We

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Speaker 3: have so much stuff to get to the epas it's

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Speaker 3: getting on message with some things that we talked about

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Speaker 3: a few years ago. We've got some notable politicians in

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Speaker 3: the news, but maybe not in the way you think.

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Speaker 3: We promise we did want to start. We're talking off air,

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Speaker 3: but with one quick update. A while back we reported

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Speaker 3: on a Kansas City, small town newspaper raid. Do you

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Speaker 3: guys remember that one?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that was a big deal. Someone died

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Speaker 2: in someone died in connection with the raid on the

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Speaker 2: newspaper or the house, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, the big news, the big update is that

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Speaker 3: the former police chief who led the raid on this

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Speaker 3: Kansas City newspaper for doing their journalistic duty. His name

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Speaker 3: is Gideon Cody. He is going to be charged in

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Speaker 3: the Marion County District Court. And the report says that

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Speaker 3: this guy, a actual police chief at the time, committed

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Speaker 3: the crime of obstruction of justice by knowingly or intentionally

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Speaker 3: inducing a witness to withhold or unreasonably delay the production

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Speaker 3: of testimony, info, or documents. You can read more about

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Speaker 3: this on multiple outlets, but I think we're all very

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Speaker 3: happy to see that there were consequences for this, because, like,

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Speaker 3: cast your memory back just last year, it felt like

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Speaker 3: this could be a harbinger of other crackdowns on the press, right, oh.

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it really does feel like a kind of

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Speaker 5: bullying tactic to make the free press scared to exercise

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Speaker 5: the rights of the free press.

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Speaker 3: And speaking of free press, will take a brief pause here,

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Speaker 3: and then we're going to technically give some free press

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Speaker 3: to several crazy stories, starting with your favorite guy, Elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: We're back. Probably the most conservative opinion of this strange

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Speaker 3: enterprise of hours is that we refuse to call a

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Speaker 3: certain social media platform X. We still call it Twitter

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Speaker 3: and a funny thing. I know, we all clock so

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Speaker 3: many of the same stories. A funny thing that I

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Speaker 3: the following from AP News quote Elon Musk X sues

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Speaker 3: even AP news isn't on board with calling it X,

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Speaker 3: they're still calling it Twitter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think I maybe mentioned I don't remember if I

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Speaker 5: saw this in an official news source, but it's definitely

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Speaker 5: accurate that just about every news source out there still

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Speaker 5: refers to it as X formerly known as Twitter, making

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Speaker 5: it probably one of the least successful rebrands in the

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Speaker 5: history of rebrands. It's just not taking. People don't like it,

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Speaker 5: and people don't want to say it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, AP News, the Daily Zeitgeist, the top journalism

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Speaker 3: of America, the top two, for sure. I'll call it Twitter, you, oh,

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Speaker 3: the top two. We're not picking favorites, but those are

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Speaker 3: the top two. This is the story, guys. The social

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Speaker 3: media platform under Musk's management and ownership, has sued a

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Speaker 3: bevy of advertisers and they're saying there's a massive advertiser

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Speaker 3: boycott that has somehow illegally deprived the company of billions

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Speaker 3: to see some more anti trust kind of stuff coming

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Speaker 3: up later in tonight's program regarding Google. But it's funny

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Speaker 3: to me this story, because hopefully funny to all of us,

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Speaker 3: because not too long ago, didn't Musk tell advertisers to go,

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Speaker 4: Pier in no uncertain terms. I believe he maybe even

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Speaker 5: But isn't it funny to see the language of a

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Speaker 5: if you're not going to advertise with me, then I'm

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Speaker 4: No one has to advertise with anybody, right, Like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, it's so easy to be gas

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Speaker 5: But no, let's just shake ourselves out of that stupor.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe that's the case, guys. I believe the

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Speaker 5: free market means you can advertise with whoever the hell

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they isn't the idea or some attorneys, some

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Speaker 2: for at least a blanket organization to say don't buy Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what. Yes, that's why. Like ideally, in strange news,

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Speaker 3: we always want to include stories that are a little

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Speaker 3: concept of conspiracy. And you nailed it there. Because the

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Speaker 3: suit is against something called the World Federation of Advertisers.

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Speaker 3: It's an anti trust suit, meaning they're saying a single

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Speaker 3: organization has too much power. Member companies of the World

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Speaker 3: Federation of Advertisers include things like Unilever, CVS Health, and Mars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah this is not the planet, but the candy company

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Speaker 3: Bars okay, yeah, the other one and so and maybe Mars.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he got soured on the Mars explorations. But in

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Speaker 3: that case, it does seem to have some theoretical sand

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Speaker 3: if you're saying that the if you're alleging that this

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Speaker 4: That's interesting, and apologies if I misspoke.

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Speaker 5: I still think I'm somewhat correct in thinking that this

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Speaker 5: I guess it's just a recommendation or it's sort of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you nailed it. Because the specifically they're targeting something

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Speaker 3: And to your point, Noel, there's not a there's not

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Speaker 3: a provable case of like this kind of organization is

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Speaker 5: But even the United Nations more or less issues recommendations

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Speaker 4: And I mean, I guess if the argument.

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Speaker 5: Is there is some threat of retribution if our member

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Speaker 4: But that was seemingly would be pretty easy to prove.

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Speaker 4: And if that's the case, then yeah, I think that

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Speaker 3: You know, yes, that that is a solid argument. You know,

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Speaker 3: all less aspects of that are completely vaid. What we

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Speaker 3: his previous statements, we can say one of the big

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Speaker 3: that's very much a grassroots movement, and to this, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a question for us and all of our conspiracy

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Speaker 3: realists listening along at home, should people be able to

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Speaker 3: make boycotts illegal? Like if a bunch of people decide

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Speaker 3: they don't want to mess with you, should they be

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Speaker 3: forced to mess with you if you're not the actual government.

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Speaker 5: I think the term that pops up to me, and

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Speaker 5: I just want to pop it up for you guys,

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Speaker 5: is the idea of brand safety, and that's something that

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Speaker 5: we see a lot here in pot casting and as

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Speaker 5: a podcasting network. We have methods and mechanisms in place

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Speaker 5: that ensure brand safety, you know, because brands have guidelines

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Speaker 5: they don't want to be advertised on certain types of shows.

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Speaker 5: Certain types of shows don't want certain types of brands

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Speaker 4: You know. It's it's it's a.

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Speaker 5: Very reasonable thing. And one could argue that for certain

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Speaker 5: brands advertising on a platform that is so willy nilly

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Speaker 5: and Lucy Gussey with hate speech and very you know,

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Speaker 3: Sure, and totally understandable. But to that earlier question, should

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it should be illegal.

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Speaker 4: That should know, it should be legal. I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: Yes, that is exercising. I mean, hell, if corporations are people,

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Speaker 5: So it shouldn't be a double standard if we treat

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Speaker 5: think yes, of course, you should be able to boycott

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It gets sticky, though. It really does get sticky,

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Speaker 2: because there are actions you could take to completely tank

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Speaker 2: tank those things if you had enough players boycotting right

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Speaker 2: that were big enough. In this case, major advertisers Mars

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Speaker 2: and Utiliver. Come on, you've seen em and yeah, you've

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Speaker 2: seen eminem ads recently probably, and you know all kinds

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Speaker 2: Unilever has to have an organization come through with those

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Speaker 4: Sure, what what's the what's the recourse though, Guys?

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Speaker 5: If this is overturned and it's determined, like, isn't it

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Speaker 5: ultimately up to the brands? I mean there's I can't

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Speaker 5: see any possible outcome where it would be like, no,

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Speaker 5: you Unilever have to advertise with Twitter, Like, what's the outcome?

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Speaker 4: I just don't see kind of what the outcome It.

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Speaker 3: Will ultimately, I mean, obviously it will ultimately be litigated

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Speaker 3: so much, like egregious, stupid amounts of money. One of

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Speaker 3: Worth it, worth it. It's sixteen species of different things

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, Ben, they say, sometimes you eat the bear,

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Speaker 5: and sometimes the bear, well he eats you.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsors.

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Speaker 5: And we returned with I think one other stranger political

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Speaker 5: stories in a political season that has been rife or

441
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Speaker 5: as you point out, our friend Frank says, wide rife with.

442
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Speaker 4: Strangeness, This comes from fledgling.

443
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 5: I guess one could argue third party candidate and political

444
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Speaker 5: dynasty member Robert F.

445
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Speaker 4: Kennedy Junior. Guys, he would be the son of Bobby Kennedy,

446
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Speaker 4: isn't that right? Son of Robert Kennedy senior.

447
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Speaker 3: Yaes career, son of the assassinated assassinated Bobby Kennedy exactly.

448
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Speaker 4: And I don't know.

449
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Speaker 5: Political dynasties are fascinating, And I know that's one of

450
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Speaker 5: your pet subjects, Ben, and one that you have mega

451
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Speaker 5: problems with. The scruples shall we say, because I was

452
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Speaker 5: talking to my kid the other day trying to explain

453
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Speaker 5: to them what a political dynasty is and I couldn't help.

454
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 5: Probably from your influence, Ben, just say it's basically like

455
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Speaker 5: a monarchy, but it just sort of like plays by

456
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 5: a different set of rules, but ultimately is kind of

457
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 5: the same thing. It's like a lineage that yeah, sure

458
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Speaker 5: they get elected, but it also calls into question all

459
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 5: the things behind the scenes about what does it mean

460
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Speaker 5: to get.

461
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Speaker 3: Pold it's jag just as gross.

462
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too, and it really again not

463
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 5: this isn't really what the story is about, but it

464
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 5: does call into question all of the machinations behind the

465
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Speaker 5: scenes of what it takes to get elevated to that

466
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Speaker 5: level and what it means to actually get you know,

467
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Speaker 5: that level of prominence, and is it Is it fair?

468
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Speaker 4: Because I would argue it.

469
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Speaker 5: Can't possibly be with a number of repetitive entries into

470
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Speaker 5: the political United States political history that do come from

471
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Speaker 5: these dynasties.

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Speaker 4: But we're talking about.

473
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Speaker 5: RFK Junior, who you could also argue is a bit

474
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Speaker 5: of a black sheep of the Kennedy political dynasty because

475
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 5: the Kennedys have traditionally been pretty I guess liberal, I get,

476
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Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, that's means different things, you know,

477
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 5: throughout history, but in general a little bit more on

478
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Speaker 5: the progressive side, A little bit more from that kind

479
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Speaker 5: of Boston lawyering kind of background, well spoken and well

480
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 5: educated and typically you know, proponents of pretty progressive policies.

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Speaker 5: RFK Junior, on the other hand, has had some real

482
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Speaker 5: problematic bouts with the public. I I suppose in terms

483
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Speaker 5: of his anti vax standpoint, his anti VAX's few viewpoints.

484
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Speaker 5: I believe he even had like an organization that he

485
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Speaker 5: founded that was intended to proliferate anti VAX sentiment, like

486
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Speaker 5: shut down or at least like taken off of social

487
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Speaker 5: media platforms for disseminating incorrect information let's just say determined

488
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Speaker 5: to be incorrect.

489
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Speaker 4: Also been in the news recently because he's.

490
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Speaker 5: Running as this third party candidate, a lot of people

491
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: are calling him kind of a spoiler candidate, which would

492
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Speaker 5: be spoiler for the Democrat side, the Democrat ticket, and

493
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Speaker 5: up until the point, you know, recently, when Joe Biden

494
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Speaker 5: dropped out of the race, that certainly seemed like the case.

495
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Speaker 4: But now his continued presence.

496
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Speaker 5: Almost seems like it might actually be a spoiler for

497
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Speaker 5: the Republicans because of the way things are sort of

498
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 5: shaping up. So that's interesting in and of itself. No

499
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 5: one certainly thinks he's a viable candidate. He is married

500
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Speaker 5: to Cheryl Hines of Curb Your Enthusiasm fame, which I

501
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 5: was a little bummed to here.

502
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 4: I at least kind of like Cheryl.

503
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Speaker 5: He does have a background of conservationism in a way.

504
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 5: Was recently announced to have been diagnosed with having brainworms

505
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Speaker 5: that he believes he may have gotten on his travels abroad,

506
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 5: you know, for some of these humanity, you know, humanitarian efforts.

507
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 5: But now it turns out he may actually have gotten

508
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Speaker 5: these brain worms from a dead bear cub carcass that

509
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: he decided in his wisdom to pick up off the

510
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Speaker 5: road on his way on a falconing expedition with an

511
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Speaker 5: unnamed buddy of his.

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Speaker 4: He lives in.

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Speaker 5: Westchester, which is a very affluent part And is it Connecticut, geyser?

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Speaker 4: Is that upstate New New York?

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Speaker 5: Connecticut and upstate New York almost blend together in my

516
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Speaker 5: mind geographically in terms of like where the rich people

517
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Speaker 5: who go into the city during the day for work

518
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Speaker 5: actually live.

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Speaker 4: But it does true, Okay, so it is it is upstate, isn't.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a Westchester county, Westchester County exactly.

521
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Speaker 5: And I've never purported to be a master geographer, but

522
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to do my best here. He was on

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Speaker 5: his way to a falconing expedition, which is, I guess

524
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Speaker 5: another thing rich people do in the Hudson Valley when

525
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Speaker 5: apparently a car or a van as he describes it,

526
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Speaker 5: in front of him, hit and killed a bear cub.

527
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Speaker 5: How do we know about this, you guys might be asking, Well,

528
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Speaker 5: he posted a video of himself essentially admitting to this

529
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Speaker 5: whole affair we're going to get into the details of

530
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Speaker 5: with Roseanne Barr, the I don't know troubled comedian. I

531
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Speaker 5: guess it was once a household name for the Roseanne show,

532
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 5: the sitcom with John Goodman that was, like, you know,

533
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 5: a staple of nineties kind of televisual viewing.

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Speaker 3: And she later became a poster child for ambient correct.

535
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Speaker 5: Well because she said some things, some very offensive, racially insensitive.

536
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 5: Dare I say hateful things that I'm not going to

537
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Speaker 5: repeat here, but then claim that she only did it

538
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 5: because she was on ambient And if anyone knows anyone

539
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 5: who takes ambient or has any experience with themselves, you

540
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 5: do know that there is a thing is.

541
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Speaker 4: Like this ambient lore.

542
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 5: It's true that it can cause you to say some

543
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 5: weird stuff, or make weird food in the middle of

544
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Speaker 5: the night, or just generally kind of have these like

545
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 5: you know, fugue state moments, these incidents. And this is

546
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Speaker 5: what she claimed was the case. But she's been problematic

547
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 5: for other reasons. She's just been a real political firebrand

548
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 5: and has some pretty insensitive views, let's just say.

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Speaker 4: But that's not the point.

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Speaker 5: The point is this is the venue which Rfka Junior

551
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Speaker 5: chose to cop to this occurrence essentially. So what happened

552
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 5: was he claims he saw the bear being hit, he

553
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Speaker 5: got out of.

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Speaker 4: His car, he picked up the bear, put it in his.

555
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Speaker 5: Car, with the intention, he said, of taking it home,

556
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Speaker 5: skinning it, butchering it, and saving the bear meat to

557
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Speaker 5: consume at a later date. Berting it, yeah, dehydrating it,

558
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 5: making bear jerky whatever.

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Speaker 4: Really yeah really.

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Speaker 5: And then he also went so far as to say,

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Speaker 5: and this is totally legal in the state of New York.

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Speaker 4: Because this is considered roadkill.

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Speaker 3: Is true, it is legal. It's illegal to have people

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Speaker 3: pay you to serve it to them, but it is

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Speaker 3: legal to consume it yourself. And also I would argue.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's an accident. He wasn't purposely hunting the bear.

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Speaker 3: It is not an unethical thing to do. But he

568
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Speaker 3: was on the way to the airport in a bit

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Speaker 3: of a rush.

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Speaker 4: Well, it gets weirder. He wasn't well, he wasn't on

571
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Speaker 4: the way in the airport. Even yet, there's more. He

572
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Speaker 4: was on the way to falconing.

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Speaker 5: But Matt, I see you have some more questions before

574
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Speaker 5: we get to the next bet.

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Speaker 2: But he was going to eat the bear meat.

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Speaker 5: Which is not a good It's it's apparently right though, guys,

577
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: ye general.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're thinking of the viral video that posted recently

579
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Speaker 3: with all the tapeworms coming out of it's but for years. Yeah,

580
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: like it's it's true though, they are riddled because they

581
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Speaker 3: eat a lot of raw salmon, eat a lot of

582
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Speaker 3: raw raw food that already has parasites. It's part of

583
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Speaker 3: the grand circle of life of creepy things. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: people eat bear meat.

585
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Speaker 2: There are parts of the bear.

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Speaker 5: There are parts of the bear that are apparently safer

587
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Speaker 5: than others to consume. It is not my wheelhouse at all,

588
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,239
Speaker 5: so I couldn't tell you what it is. But you know,

589
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Speaker 5: you've eaten exotic jerky's been that's sort of a thing

590
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Speaker 5: that you've done in the past, and in our travels together,

591
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Speaker 5: we went on a weird road rally in like West Virginia,

592
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Speaker 5: down that part of the country where you might have

593
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Speaker 5: a little more roadkill based culinary let's excursions, and there

594
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Speaker 5: are lots of crazy road roadside shops that would sell

595
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Speaker 5: rattlesnake jerky and all of this kind of stuff that's

596
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Speaker 5: probably prepared regionally, So there's a certain acceptance for that

597
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 5: kind of thing in certain parts of the country.

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Speaker 4: But we yeah, so he and he's a guy.

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Speaker 5: That's an outdoorsy guy. He likes to get out the

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Speaker 5: great outdoors. He's going falconing. This sort of tracks, I

601
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Speaker 5: would argue, But what gets a little suss is what

602
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 5: happens next. He puts the bear in his car, he

603
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Speaker 5: goes falconing, has such a lovely time falconing.

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Speaker 4: Is that do you hunt when you're falconing?

605
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 5: Is it literally just you send the falcon out and

606
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Speaker 5: it catches small game and then it brings it back

607
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Speaker 5: to you.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you can you can have it bring back game,

609
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: or you can just set it for itself. The big

610
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Speaker 3: trick is getting it to trust you enough to come back.

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Speaker 4: You got the glove and everything.

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Speaker 3: And he's also the falcon hat. You know about that, right.

613
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Speaker 5: That's the one that it humps basically right like it.

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Speaker 5: It's attracted to it sexually.

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Speaker 3: And the reason the reason my friends and I are

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Speaker 3: not falconers.

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Speaker 5: Actually, if anyone listening to this show for any amount

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Speaker 5: of time, they know there's many reasons that I'm not

619
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Speaker 5: a fant falconer, and this whole hobby is mystifying to me.

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Speaker 5: These are birds of prey, they got sharp beaks and

621
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Speaker 5: claws and talons or whatever.

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Speaker 4: I just I would be terrified.

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Speaker 5: But so they had such a lovely time falconing, and

624
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Speaker 5: then afterwards he's the idea was he was going to

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Speaker 5: go back to his place in Westchester. Almost want to

626
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Speaker 5: do some fact checking here with lebe a little Google map.

627
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 5: So if we do Google maps, like from Hudson Valley

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Speaker 5: to west Chester, you know it takes a long time

629
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Speaker 5: to get anywhere in this part of the country because

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Speaker 5: of traffic, and then especially if you're factoring in like

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Speaker 5: going into the city. So let's see Hudson Valley, New York,

632
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Speaker 5: get directions from there to west Chester, Westchester.

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Speaker 4: New York. That is a good hour and forty minutes.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Also two questions. One did he have a bear tag?

636
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Speaker 3: In Two? What time of year was it?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing, though, Ben. What he claims is

638
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Speaker 5: that he didn't need one because it was roadkill. That's

639
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Speaker 5: what he says to Roseanne. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: But it's I think he said, at least if I'm

641
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Speaker 3: remembering the video posted.

642
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: To x he posted himself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he got in front of the story. They

644
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Speaker 3: would call it right. So if I'm remembering this correctly,

645
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 3: didn't he say? It's legal in New York to take

646
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: home route kill bear if you have a bear tag,

647
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: it's a bear tag.

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00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 5: There's no bear hunting in this part of the I guess,

649
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Speaker 5: would you, I get maybe there is, I guess in

650
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Speaker 5: the Hudson Valley air I mean they are wooded area.

651
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Speaker 4: Maybe you could go bear. So it's a bear tag

652
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: like a hunting license for bear.

653
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Speaker 3: Like According to the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation,

654
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Speaker 3: if you hit I think if you hit most wild

655
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Speaker 3: animals with a vehicle, local law enforcement can and will

656
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Speaker 3: allow you to take the animal by They just say,

657
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Speaker 3: writing a tag for it. You can learn more by

658
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Speaker 3: contacting the New York Bureau of Wildlife at five poet

659
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: eight four oh two eight eight eight three. I'm reading

660
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: straight off their twitter.

661
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 5: I just I'm sorry not to get log jams here

662
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 5: with this, but right like it's it's this form of

663
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Speaker 5: a license.

664
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Speaker 4: Then is it a one time thing? Who writes the tag?

665
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Speaker 5: I'm also seeing that, you know, bears in the wilderness

666
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 5: for research purposes, for various other conservation purposes are tagged.

667
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 4: You know, that's a different kind. It is a different

668
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: I know.

669
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Speaker 5: I'm just making sure that I'm on the same page,

670
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 5: right right, So I don't want to get caught up

671
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 5: in the weeds here. So let's just for for auntents

672
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 5: and purposes, let's just say that he thought what he

673
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 5: was doing was legal, and he made that clear to

674
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Speaker 5: Rosehirt and said that what I you know, what.

675
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 4: I was doing. He actually goes out of his way

676
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Speaker 4: to say that this is legal.

677
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: All the while Roseanne is just kind of listening, seeming

678
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 5: somewhat mystified by the whole thing. It's sort of like,

679
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 5: why are you telling me this kind of and to

680
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 5: your point, Ben, it does feel as though he was

681
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 5: trying to get ahead of a story that he knew

682
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 5: was going to drop about a news event that happened

683
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 5: about ten years ago where a bear's carcass was found

684
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 5: in New York City's Central Park next to like a

685
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 5: broken down bicycle in a bike lane. And it was

686
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 5: a big old mystery as to where this bear came from,

687
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Speaker 5: because there's no bears in the Central Park.

688
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: There are no bears in New York City.

689
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 5: They would be much more relegated to the surrounding wilds

690
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 5: of New York State and in Connecticut, et cetera. So

691
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 5: this is our FK Junior coming out and saying, yeah,

692
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 5: that was me. I dropped the bear there because he

693
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 5: was having such a grand old time falconing that they

694
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 5: didn't have time to go back to his home in Westchester,

695
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 5: where he was going to deposit the bear into a

696
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 5: freezer of some sort, I guess, until he had time

697
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: to butcher it. Instead, he had to make it over

698
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 5: to Peter Luger Peter Luga Steakhouse, where he had a

699
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 5: business dinner. It's the kind of place the valet's okay,

700
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 5: so presumably he valeid his car with a dead bear.

701
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 5: KRK is in the back because another article written about

702
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 5: him claimed that he has a really disgusting car, like

703
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 5: really like covered in animal fur. Like instead of the

704
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 5: back seat, there's just like a bench and like the

705
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 5: side mirrors smashed.

706
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 4: But I don't know, maybe he's self parked.

707
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 5: But typically places like that you got a valet, so

708
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: presumably the dead bear Carkers is still in there, rotting

709
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: all the.

710
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: While before we move on. It's sitting there. Let's pause

711
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: there in time, dead bear sitting there in the car.

712
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: It reminds me so much of the SNL sketch The Falconer,

713
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: Like the basis of that sketch, do you guys remember it?

714
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 4: And I don't know that one tell us it's.

715
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: Will Forte playing a guy who just leaves his whole family,

716
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 2: goes out in the woods, meets a falcon. I think

717
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: its name is Donald, Yeah, it's Donald. He's always yelling,

718
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: he gets trapped all the time. He yells for Donald

719
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: to help him, who's his falcon? And then Donald goes

720
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: and eats at a like crazy fancy luxurious restaurant instead

721
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: of helping him. And it's just like it's an excuse

722
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: to show a falcon doing bougie stuff. I think, yeah,

723
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: but it reminds me so much of this.

724
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Speaker 5: It's a Peter Luger steak house likely might have been

725
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 5: a place that the Donald would have frequented, but presumably

726
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 5: he had a change of clothes. You know, you don't

727
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 5: go to Peter Luger wearing your falconing scrubs. I don't

728
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 5: know what when falcon's in, to be honest. And then

729
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 5: apparently it was running late for the airport. You didn't

730
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Speaker 5: seem like he planned ahead very well in all of this,

731
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Speaker 5: and so then thought that it would be a real

732
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 5: hoot in a holler if he just dumped the bear

733
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Speaker 5: in Central Park, which we'll get into this in a minute.

734
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Speaker 4: Why a lot of this doesn't quite make sense.

735
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 5: And he recently there had been a spate of cyclists,

736
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 5: like the new bike lanes had been put in and

737
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 5: around Central Park and people were getting pancaked by bicyclists.

738
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 5: So he thought it'd be funny if he staged a

739
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 5: crime scene to make it look like the bear was

740
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 5: hit by a cyclist. So he left his disheveled bike

741
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 5: Lely also had in his vehicle on top of the bear,

742
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 5: and then skid addled.

743
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 3: And that would be the conspiratorial part of the story.

744
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 5: Well, there's a bunch because the report, you know, from

745
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 5: the original discovery of this bear carcass was.

746
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 4: That it had stab wounds.

747
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 5: It was determined to have been you know, that life

748
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 5: was determined to have been ended by a vehicle, But

749
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 5: it also was reported to have had stab wounds.

750
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 4: Maybe that's certainly possible.

751
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 5: There are also images out there. I don't know exactly

752
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 5: where they came from. It must he must have posted

753
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 5: them himself, but of RFK like posing with the bear carcass,

754
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 5: like putting his hand down its throat and kind of

755
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 5: weird stuff like yeah, yeah, because graphic picture here shows

756
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 5: RFK Junior posing with dead bear code before dumping it

757
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 5: in Central Park, and it does show him like with

758
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 5: the bear cub like propped up and got his hand

759
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 5: in his mouth looking like pretending like he's being bitten,

760
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 5: and he's making this face like oh my hand with

761
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 5: this kind of messed up looking bear carcass. And he

762
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 5: claims that he just had to get to the airport

763
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 5: and didn't have time and so he dumped it in

764
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 5: Central Park as a goof.

765
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 4: But guys, Central Park isn't near the airport. There's a

766
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: million places, like you know, in the woods.

767
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 5: If he's out there, he's I think I think Peter

768
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 5: Lugers is in Jersey, and then the depending on which

769
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 5: airport he's going to with JFK or LaGuardia or even Newark,

770
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 5: there's a lot of like kind of wooded areas around there.

771
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 5: They're not like smack in the middle of the city,

772
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 5: and it takes an hour to get to Central Park

773
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: or more from the airport.

774
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: You know, I know this isn't a mere mortal.

775
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 5: He probably has special transportation or maybe even a choppa,

776
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 5: who knows, but it just doesn't track.

777
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 4: It's super weird, and it's.

778
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 5: Also super weird that he was like, see, this is funny,

779
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 5: and I told Roseanne, so it's funny, she's a comedian.

780
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 4: It's just mega weird the whole thing.

781
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 5: And then he even joked when asked about it, like

782
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 5: that maybe he got his brain worms from the bear carcass.

783
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: So I don't know that.

784
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 5: That's the best I can do to sum up this

785
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 5: bizarre hotale. Maybe you guys have some stuff to add,

786
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: or we could chat back and forth about it for

787
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 5: a little bit, because I'm a little mystic.

788
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 4: Fine the conspiratorial angle are plenty, Like what was he thinking?

789
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 4: Why did he do this? He said he was playing.

790
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 5: A prank more or less. But it's like ten years

791
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 5: had passed. He had to know that it was reported

792
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 5: on you know, I don't know guys.

793
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it always makes you wonder about supremely wealthy,

794
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: powerful families like the Kennedys, like you know a lot

795
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: of others. What do they get up to, just, you know,

796
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 2: for a little laugh.

797
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: That's what I was.

798
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: That's literally the vision. But that's not fun that's not funny.

799
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: It's funny that you said it in that way, but

800
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: chap equittic is not funny at all. But but it

801
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: does make me wonder about just the little things that

802
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: they do for a laugh. When I'm just imagining my

803
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: family didn't have much money, we would we would just

804
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: go outside, or we would play lawn darts, or we would.

805
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 4: Make illegal matt.

806
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 5: That is a privileged position, you playing your illegal hunger games.

807
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: When we were young, back when when I was growing

808
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: up as a kid, like, I just wonder what a

809
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: supremely powerful, wealthy family considers. Oh that's silly, let's do

810
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: that's a prank.

811
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, tap equittic was Ted Kennedy, right, Yeah, who who

812
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 5: you know ended up drunk driving and taking the life

813
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 5: of one of his passengers, married Joe Kopecney. Out there

814
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 5: in Martha's vineyard, another place where the rich and powerful

815
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 5: l like to frolic.

816
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: There were consequences of a sort. It's the reason he

817
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 3: didn't become president.

818
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 5: Well, but the one could argue that it is barely

819
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 5: at It is a consequence if that's.

820
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 4: Your whole bag and that's your whole life's goal.

821
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 3: But I can say it again more sarcastically.

822
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 5: No, no, I get what you say. I'm man, We're

823
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 5: on the same page there. I'm just saying, like, it's

824
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 5: not the same consequence as if someone.

825
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: Like you or I did something like this.

826
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 5: And speaking of consequences, I do believe what he did

827
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 5: was illegal. Dumping a bear carcass in a public park

828
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 5: in that way, I believe that's like a biohazard at

829
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 5: the very least.

830
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: If not something has.

831
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: Leased against the city ordinance, it has to be otherwise

832
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: it's New York City. They'd be riddled with bear carcasses

833
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 3: because that's how people work. I'm kidding there, but I

834
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 3: don't know it does seem, it does seem like, without

835
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: being a Bureau of Wildlife Management experts ourselves, ourselves, that

836
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: there would be some other less controversial way to dispose

837
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: of that, Like you could get I'm making things up,

838
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: but surely you could call some kind of wildlife removal

839
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: and ask them to pick it up. Right. Even here

840
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: in Georgia we have some we have various sorts of

841
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: roadkill management.

842
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, you let somebody know and then you

843
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: drive on.

844
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 5: I just sounded like he was just tickled by the

845
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 5: whole thing, you know, like he just thought this was

846
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 5: a real silly goof, only to then realize that it

847
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 5: was reported quite widely, even outside of New York City

848
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 5: like this certainly made some headlines. I guess it was

849
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 5: a slow news day, but it does appear that he

850
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 5: could well have faced some fines for dumping a dead

851
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 5: bear in Central Park. The state agency, the New York

852
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 5: State Department of Environmental Conservation, that led an actual forensic

853
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 5: investigation into the bear dumping, set in a statement this week,

854
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 5: but the statute of limitations had long expired on that,

855
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 5: so really just kind of another embarrassing gaff for for

856
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 5: old RFK Junior By.

857
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: The way, listen to episode what was the chapiquetic Incident?

858
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: It was put out in twenty eighteen and then again

859
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: as a classic last year.

860
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: Thanks for that, Matt.

861
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

862
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 5: So with that, let's take a quick break and hear

863
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,279
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864
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:22,520
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866
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Speaker 2: the EPA, really an announcement maybe from the EPA that's

867
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Speaker 2: been covered to a lot of places. But before we

868
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869
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870
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Speaker 2: is dakthal dac t h a L fluwable herbicide herbicide

872
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: excuse me, aka dimethyl tetrachlor tariff tholate aka DCPA. For

873
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: the rest of this evening, we're going to call it DCPA.

874
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: Now.

875
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: According to the US Environmental Protection Agency, this substance DCPA

876
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: is quote and herbicide applied to control grasses and certain

877
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: broad leaf weeds in both agricultural and non agricultural settings.

878
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: Agricultural uses include coal, crops such as broccoli, kale, and cabbage,

879
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: cucurbits such as squash, pumpkin, and zucchini, tomatoes, onions, and

880
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: many herbs. And they also note that this is primarily

881
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: used on crops such as broccoli, brussels, and cabbage, also onions.

882
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: The EPA also notes that this herbicide is commonly used

883
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: for non agricultural purposes on sites that have quote non

884
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 2: residential turf. What do you think that means, guys, non

885
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 2: residential turf?

886
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 4: You mean, like, no, I don't think I do know.

887
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 3: The neighborhoods is yeah.

888
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: Well there's a neighborhood around a thing.

889
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: That it's not on the actual Just to clarify, I'm

890
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 3: saying it's not used technically in the neighborhood. Yes, it's

891
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 3: used Is that correct?

892
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: Pretty much the golf course. That's what that reads or

893
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: should read.

894
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 4: Yes, that's why I was getting exactly Yeah.

895
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. They also say it's used on ornamentals, but I

896
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: don't think we need to worry about that for this.

897
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: The reason why we are concerned is because it is

898
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: used on a ton of crops that a ton of

899
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: us consume, and it is used It was used on

900
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: golf courses where a ton of I'm gonna say it,

901
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: mostly wealthy people go and hang out. Maybe that's is that,

902
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: Maybe that's not right. I'm sure there are a lot

903
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: of public golf courses that are available to everyone that

904
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 2: many people use. Perhaps in my personal experience, the golf

905
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 2: courses are reserved for people who have quite a bit

906
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: of money to spend in.

907
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 3: Say, country can country clubs.

908
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 4: You gotta be like invited, you know, you gotta it's like.

909
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 3: Well the gut ones. Yeah, there are a lot where

910
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 3: you can just pay it and they'll let you in. Yeah.

911
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: Probably in my experience, it's people who have that that

912
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: that money to spend to get in and play golf

913
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 2: frequently enough for the purposes of this episode, to play

914
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: golf frequently enough to be exposed enough to this chemical.

915
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: An important distinction. This is an herbicide, not a pesticide, but.

916
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: It has been called a pesticide in a lot of

917
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: the reporting, which I do too. They call it a

918
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: pesticide that targets weeds. Right, what you don't do you

919
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: mean an herbicide? Sorry? The EPA even called it a

920
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: pesticide after previously calling it an herbicide. In September twenty

921
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: twenty three release, which is just whatever. So why are

922
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: we talking about this thing? It's because, for the first

923
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: time in forty years, the seriously, the first time in

924
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: forty years, the Environmental Protection Agency has taken an emergency

925
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: action to stop the use of a chemical herbicideer pesticide

926
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 2: linked to serious health risks for fetuses for unborn babies. Sure,

927
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: so why is it dangerous? Well, according to the EPA,

928
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: unborn babies whose pregnant mothers are exposed to this substance,

929
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 2: sometimes even without knowing exposure has occurred, can experience changes

930
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: in fetal thyroid hormone levels, and these changes are generally

931
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: linked to low birth weight, impaired brain development, decreased IQ,

932
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: and impaired motor skills later on in life, and a

933
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: lot of that can be completely irreversible. These are birth

934
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: defects that this chemical, at least according to the EPA,

935
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: may cause.

936
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 3: So there are mitigation strategies, but there is no way

937
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: to fix it.

938
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 4: Oh.

939
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: Speaking of fixing things, Matt, I'm so sorry to intertect

940
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 3: before we get to before we get too far. If

941
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: you're writing the email, yes, we understand. Pesticides are the

942
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 3: umbrella category, and plants count as pest in some cases,

943
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: so herbicides are more under that umbrella specifically focused on

944
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: unwanted plants.

945
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: But that's what this thing is. That's why I'm so

946
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: upset about it. This thing doesn't target creatures. It targets

947
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: the weeds that you don't want growing next to your

948
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: cabbage and your broccoli and your backchoi or whatever.

949
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 3: And unborn humans. Clear. Oh but that's thet I mean.

950
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: I'm just putting the pesticide herbicide thing there to get

951
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: again in front of the email.

952
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: Oh sure, short, short, st sure and write the email please.

953
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: We will still read it. So this is very very strange,

954
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: you guys, because this substance DCPA has been looked at

955
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: by the EPA for a long time. It goes way

956
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: back to twenty thirteen. Well, actually goes back to two

957
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: thousand and two when this company started producing the substance.

958
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 2: But in twenty thirteen there was basically what's known as

959
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: a data call in or a DCI, issued by the EPA.

960
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: They send it out to let's say the manufacturer of

961
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 2: a chemical in this case AMVAC, and they say, hey,

962
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: we need you to conduct these internal studies on your product,

963
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: and we need you to send us all of the data.

964
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: And it was requiring them to submit more than twenty

965
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: studies to support the existing registrations of this specific chemical.

966
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 2: So it's a lot of that what we were talking

967
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: about with the Supreme Court decision right pretty recently, where

968
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: the EPA is going to going to war or you know,

969
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: let's say battle with a company that's producing a chemical

970
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: like this. And now the Supreme Court doesn't have to

971
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: rely on the previous rulings or the previous decisions by

972
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: a federal body like the EPA. Now they can look

973
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: at whatever in this case, AMVAC says, and so we'll

974
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: go with that. They don't have to go with the

975
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: EPA's ruling in this case. So it goes back to

976
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. EPA is trying to get information on the

977
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: product from the company that produces it. They are failing

978
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 2: to send in this information. They fail to do so

979
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: for almost ten years. They don't get all the information

980
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: needed on this chemical substance that is being applied to

981
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: broccoli and cabbage and kale and all kinds of pumpkins

982
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: and stuff across the United States. But the company making

983
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: the product doesn't care enough, I guess, or is concerned

984
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: enough with their own product that they don't want to

985
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: get it taken off shelves because they're making a lot

986
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: of money's and that's my own words there as my accusation.

987
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: But eventually, in I think it's in twenty twenty two,

988
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: finally all of the information gets from this company to

989
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: the EPA. The APA can finally evaluate it, and when

990
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: they do, they realize, oh crap, there is there is

991
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: serious risk. And back in twenty twenty three, this is

992
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: why I bring up the turf so much. Guys, back

993
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, there was basically a voluntary cessation

994
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: of the use of this substance on turfs, so like

995
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: on golf courses for things like that, because the risk

996
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: was unacceptable.

997
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 4: Guys.

998
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 2: On the label for this substance, when you are buying

999
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: it as an herbicide and you're gonna put it on

1000
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: your golf course, let's say it says after you apply

1001
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: this stuff, you get like twelve hours, don't go out

1002
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: there on the golf course, and you should be fine

1003
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: after that. But according to the EPA and the internal

1004
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: studies that were submitted, it takes around twenty five days

1005
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: for it to be safe to go back out on

1006
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: the turf, which in my mind I imagine CEOs, wealthy

1007
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: business owners and entrepreneurs that are out there on the

1008
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: links and realizing, oh crap, we were being exposed to

1009
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: like a really dangerous chemical. We should probably stop doing that.

1010
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: And you know, well over a year later it's like, oh, yeah,

1011
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: the fetuses are at risk too. I guess we should

1012
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: probably stop that.

1013
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 3: But unlike public school playgrounds, the victims here have the

1014
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 3: legal and financial wherewithal to prosecute their case.

1015
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 4: Do something about it. Yeah, dude, Yes, it does kind

1016
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 4: of call into start or place in stark contrast that

1017
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 4: kind of you know, upstairs downstairs model of these kinds

1018
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 4: of things, like the folks who really you know, are

1019
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 4: just in communities where these kinds of things have been

1020
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 4: used or even tested. Uh, And just the lack of transparency.

1021
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 5: But of course when it's on the golf course and

1022
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 5: people are gonna stand up and say something about it

1023
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 5: and use their you know, clout to have it rectified.

1024
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm, it should be noted here, guys, are just

1025
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: a couple more things The EPA attempted to stop the

1026
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: production of like the maybe you can think about it

1027
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: as a concentrated version of this pesticide. The EPA tried

1028
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: to do that last year, but they it's one of

1029
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: those weird things where but any of that stuff that

1030
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: was already in the marketplace or had already been purchased

1031
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: by a consumer or you know, by a big company

1032
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: that's got to use it on a huge farm. All

1033
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: of that's fine, you can still use all of that.

1034
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: That's all gravy. Just company don't make anymore. And it

1035
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: was all because they were working on they're waiting on

1036
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 2: paperwork still.

1037
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: So not a recall. Knowing a lot of these larger

1038
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: private entities or even municipalities might be buying a ton

1039
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 3: of this at once, like in bulk literal tons.

1040
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: Exactly, but then for less than a year later to

1041
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: come out and issue an emergency order to stop use.

1042
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: So that isn't to stop selling, to stop producing, that is,

1043
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: to stop using this product no more can you use it?

1044
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: The EPA says. They say, this order is a effective immediately,

1045
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: and this is interesting to me. This is why they're

1046
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: taking this action right now. They say that The EPA

1047
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: says that the continued sale and use of DCPA products

1048
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: during the time it would take to follow the normal

1049
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: cancelation process poses an imminent hazard to unborn babies. And

1050
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: they said the company Amvac, attempted to address these concerns

1051
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: and they note that here, but they've determined that there's

1052
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: no practical mitigation measures that could be put into place

1053
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: to allow its continued use. So like Amvac proposed a

1054
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: couple of changes to the product itself, a couple of

1055
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: changes to you know, what the product would say, and

1056
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: all this other stuff, but the EVA came back and said, no, no,

1057
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: we got to stop this thing right now. This is

1058
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: really scary for me guys personally, considering literally how many

1059
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: Brussels sprouts and like broccolis and broccolini and all this

1060
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: other stuff that I feed my son and vegetable yali, yes,

1061
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: all the onions and just all these things that you

1062
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: use in normal everyday cooking, especially for meals that you

1063
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't even think about onions being in your dish, but

1064
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: you're using it, you know, for the flavor or as

1065
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, part of a trinity.

1066
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 4: It's just.

1067
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 2: I don't know, it really freaks me out, and I'm

1068
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: glad this is happening. But I kind of feel like

1069
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: this thing, this power that the EPA is flexing right here,

1070
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: should be happening like once a month.

1071
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 4: Isn't that kind of the issue it? Maybe correct me

1072
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 4: if I'm if I'm misunderstanding it isn't.

1073
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 5: What led to them actually doing something about it was

1074
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 5: the you know, complaints from the halves.

1075
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm not sure about that. Maybe what

1076
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: I'm seeing is more this back and forth between the

1077
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: EPA and the company and EPA trying to get internal

1078
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: document and in studies that they're conducting themselves, which is

1079
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: a major problem.

1080
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: Also, Yeah, it's a long time in coming, but I

1081
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 3: think I would agree with Noel there that it is

1082
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 3: at least partially due to the demographic of people affected

1083
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 3: in some circumstances. Still, cruciferous vegetables in particular are such

1084
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 3: a common part of the diet. If you could clarify

1085
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: for this, just to be sure everybody knows, this is

1086
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Speaker 3: not the kind of thing you can just wash off

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Speaker 3: the vegetable.

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Speaker 2: Right No, no, no, like it's.

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Speaker 3: Inside it, it will it can get to people. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the consumption check.

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Speaker 2: One of the big selling points on the website for

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Speaker 2: this product, the one that's got a brand name.

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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Speaker 2: A dackthel is just how long it sticks around after

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Speaker 2: you apply it. You know, basically, you plant your seeds,

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Speaker 2: you've already weeded or treated your soil to some extent.

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Speaker 2: You've planted your seeds. Then you put this stuff on

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Speaker 2: and it's supposed to stick around for a long time

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Speaker 2: and it's it has staying power, and that's why it's

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Speaker 2: so good.

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Speaker 3: Just once. I want one of these environmental contaminants to

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Speaker 3: have a positive effect on the population, like microplastics that

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Speaker 3: are good for your balls, you know, lead that makes

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Speaker 3: you smarter. Just one, just give us one win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be cool. But I don't think it's

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01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 2: gonna have been the tie a runoff and everything. We're

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Speaker 2: going down as a species. Silver lining silver lining, sorry,

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Speaker 2: silver lining.

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Speaker 3: We're for Genie news species.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. The silver lining is is they got it.

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Speaker 4: They did They did good. They you know it's not the.

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Speaker 2: EPA did its job. That is an awesome thing. And

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Speaker 2: you know, thankfully, if Project twenty twenty five goes its way,

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Speaker 2: the EPA will no longer exist and they won't have

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Speaker 2: to do this anymore.

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Speaker 3: It'll well it's colloidal silver.

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Speaker 4: You're doing a bad job at silver lining this sorry escort.

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Speaker 3: It's a EPA the sole proprietorship right of a guy

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Speaker 3: who's retired from DuPont a while back. And you know, everybody,

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Speaker 3: it's like Lord Michael's where you pitch Saturday Night Live

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Speaker 3: guest appearances. You if you have a complaint about contaminants

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Speaker 3: in the environment, you get three minutes in front of

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Speaker 3: this guy, shark tank style, and he gives you a

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Speaker 3: yes or no, whether or not he believes you.

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Speaker 2: Hmm, I believe you, guys. This is a I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: end with this. This is a statement from Assistant Administrator

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Speaker 2: for the Office of Chemical Safety and Pollution Prevention, Michael Friedolf.

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Speaker 2: He says DCPA is so dangerous that it needs to

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Speaker 2: be removed from the market immediately. It's EPA's job to

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Speaker 2: protect people from exposure to dangerous chemicals. In this case,

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Speaker 2: pregnant women who may never even though they were exposed,

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Speaker 2: could give birth to babies that experience irreversible lifelong health problems.

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Speaker 2: That's why, for the first time in almost forty years,

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Speaker 2: EPA is using its emergency Suspension authority to stop the

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Speaker 2: use of a pesticide boom again every month, Michael, every month,

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Speaker 2: we need another chemical out of there.

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Speaker 3: And I hope please freight train keep that clap it.

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01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: Because these emergency powers exist for a reason, and in

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01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 3: just because something doesn't seem as I'm using the word

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Speaker 3: in the old school sense here as spectacular as a

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Speaker 3: natural disaster, it doesn't mean it's not disastrous.

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Speaker 2: And I guess we'll have to tackle several other stories

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01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: that we didn't talk about today, maybe next week, or

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01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: maybe we won't talk about them at all because there's

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01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: so much happening. Oh, do look up the attorneys general

1146
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: that when on a France trip with this really ah man,

1147
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 2: I wrote all this stuff out and it's just it's

1148
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 2: just gross. It's another example of kind of ben It

1149
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: was a lot like your story, where it's a conglomerate

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: kind of blanket umbrella thing that's really hard to even

1151
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: see through where all the campaign finance donations come from

1152
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 2: and where all the lobbyist money comes from. But all

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Speaker 2: of these attorneys general get to go hang out somewhere

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Speaker 2: every year or even every you know, a couple of

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Speaker 2: quarters and half of them, right, Yeah, in this case,

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Speaker 2: I think it's twenty six of them got to go

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Speaker 2: out to France on a trip sponsored by these donors

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Speaker 2: or lobbyists of some sort a company called sh Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can look it up. It's gross.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Check out also the story of Shu Zhun Wang. That

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Speaker 3: is one we didn't get to. There are so many

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Speaker 3: stories we haven't gotten to. We want to thank everybody

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Speaker 3: for tuning in. Will be back next week, still birthday month,

1165
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 3: still strange news. You know the score. Fellow conspiracy realists,

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01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 3: Please please, please please make our evening and become part

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01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: of the show. We can't wait to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: And it is so distressingly easy to find us online.

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Speaker 5: Yes, indeed distressingly easy. That's a good thing, right. You

1170
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 5: can find us in the handle conspiracy Stuff, where we

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 5: exist on x FKA Twitter. Isn't it funny that some

1172
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 5: parts of that platform still call it tweets and have

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01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 5: leftover remnant language from the previous regime.

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Speaker 4: I just think that's funny.

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Speaker 5: You can also find that handle on Facebook, where we

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01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 5: have our Facebook group Here's where it gets crazy. And

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Speaker 5: on YouTube we have a video content galore. On Instagram

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Speaker 5: and TikTok, we are Conspiracy Stuff showely.

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Speaker 2: Lead tweet lead. Isn't that a song?

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Speaker 4: I don't know?

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Speaker 2: And that's it? Okay. I think I heard that in

1182
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 2: my parents' cars a long time ago when I was string.

1183
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 3: On ninety seven point one the oldies channels.

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Speaker 5: It's also Andy Bernard's ringtone on the office and Jim

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01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 5: hides it in the ceiling at one point and causes

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Speaker 5: Andy deg bunkers.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of ring tones, give us a call one eight

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Speaker 2: three three STDWYTK. When you call in, give yourself a

1189
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Speaker 2: cool nickname, and then you've got three minutes say whatever

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Speaker 2: you'd like do. At some point in that message, let

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01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: us know if we can use your name and message

1192
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: on one of our listener mail episodes. If you've got

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01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 2: more to say than can fit in that three minutes,

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01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: one out. Instead, send us a good old fashioned email.

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01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 3: We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence

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01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 3: we receive. Be well aware, but not afraid. Sometimes the

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01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 3: void writes back. In fact, some of us are on

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Speaker 3: the road for a little bit due to some situations.

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Speaker 3: write to us conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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